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CES 2018 is done it is in the books it is kaput besides a little rain a little flooding and a little power outage appears that most of us in the tech media have gotten out with little to no scarring so to congratulate ourselves we took to a room high up in the Mirage on the Las Vegas Strip and talked for about an hour on the biggest advancements that were brought out at the show from an experimental laptop named Linda two fingerprints going where they have never gone before it's episode 287 of the PocketNow weekly recorded Wednesday January 10th at 6:30 p.m. Eastern this is the podcast that talks about the technology that makes us move from smartphones to tablets to the latest attempt at wearables it's the show that's trying to get into 2018 as if we were all kids in the candy shop and we could pay for our sweets with a tap of Google pay I'm Jules Wong news editor and producer of the weekly hello we actually shared space and audio this week with Miriam drawer and the mobile tech podcast so the next hour of conversation you'll be hearing comes from that session and it's our thanks to her and her team for letting us share the fun with our listeners that out of the way he is Miriam to start us off hi and welcome to the mall tech podcast I'm your host Amira and today is Wednesday January 10th 2018 and wefts yes and I'm surrounded by the most amazing bunch of folks I'm gonna let everybody introduce themselves this is gonna be a raucous crazy podcast probably about an hour long and we're gonna talk about everything we liked and didn't like at CES we've got some topics there's more going on still but I think we can say that the CS is pretty much in the can for most of us all right so who wants to start nicole yes' nicole scott you can go back to whatever you're doing I never had a pocket Mouse so good to be here thanks for being on Nick Nick gray high-tech traveler hey Nick can make all of you guys have me on my podcast except for Jules well yeah Jules long pocket my hey you haven't been on so she first name hello to the person that is listening to this may sound horrible but Michael you want quickly yeah it's just Michael Fisher aka mr. mobile and I'm so happy yeah I know it's great so um you guys are the topics I'm gonna go one by one we're gonna start to talk about it I get first of all cake let's let's talk about some ground thing like ground rule type things what was the thing the theme for CS in your opinion so far someone asked me this the other day on the floor and it was really hard to sum it up cuz there's there's rehashes there's some new important stuff there's a lot of stuff that's never gonna make the market it's like what's the theme is it it's just it's CES again yeah I think I think that the theme was personal assistants are now in everything have you seen the monorail that's in our product right now true I to me the theme was Google assistant all the things yeah basically Google assistant and and Alexis gonna show up the weirder places in cheated before yeah well yeah yeah why is it trying to sell you diapers and a couple of other things Street subway station like get you pregnant [Laughter] anyway so okay we've got an agreement that AI and assistance are kind of a big thing right yeah you say that's pretty much it what is the thing that you felt stuck out and in either good or bad way that you felt was really like the thing of the show from perspective well not just anything yeah there's any CS I can't just be mobile tech I have to be pretty broad but yes forms of course yeah but see I feel like every time I come away from C yes it's usually like well it's a mid-range phone show and then a couple things well somebody certainly proved that absolutely but I don't know if you wanted to jump to this yet but like the thing that will absolutely touch every single phone that that launches from from here on out is that under display fingerprint sensor that we have gotten a chance to play with from the synaptics what are they calling it clear touch clear out your IDs such a small tiny little sensor not even like even like a parts wise like that's great and - but it's like it's such a tiny conceptual thing because we've been talking about this on the iPhone 10 and you know it's been nearly three years yes and with this you know this was the big thing that we missed out our on the 10 and no one is brought yet why vivo this is the company that is yeah it's weird because like Bebo is is what is a top 5 smartphone well I think they can iterate quickly as far as getting products out and when we were there I was talking to the PR lady and she was saying they've been working with vivo for a while - like with prototyping for a device so that's why I think they vive lism but as you said it's not really a device it's a component that's gonna be changing all of the devices in the coming year let's hope yeah exactly because it actually works really well we all know the product demos that are kind of janky and like down like this this will be this is pre-production this will work better later but this was great you pick up the phone it projects that little fingerprint graphic on the display you drop your thumb on it and it takes what about half again as long so I still need to move to it but was it was it a production phone yes it's a real it doesn't have a name but it's all action but it's gonna ship it with a second quarter pretty much yeah you too yeah I think they're going to do the full announcement of the phone itself at MWC and if you've seen the 1 + 5 t the design is a little bit different they'll like it the back is has a different feel to it so it's not but like basic specs are gonna be the same yeah but like vivo opal and oneplus are all are all from the same factories they basically have the same design set across the block at the sheriff same same Factory but it's not the phone right that people I mean the phone is this because it's the first one we get to play with yeah that's why it's important at the moment but I I'm just so looking forward to seeing it - seeing what phones are possible when a manufacturer doesn't have to say add in a bigger bezel on the bottom for a thumbprint sensor on the front or move it around back and sacrifice battery space or do whatever Samsung did this game just bezel down bezel down bezel down at this point because yeah dude look at the iPhone 10 man I mean what more example do you want that's the way things are going look at shammies be mixed phones I know they're even less than the iPhone right I mean it's cool thing you know you get it's more immersive and the user experience is you know exponentially better but it's just that's where we're going in terms of just looks of smartphones I am where else can you go it's not just the look so this is with a usability thing has anyone ever been trying to train maybe a parent or a grandparent to use an iPhone or an Android phone and the first thing they do is win that thumbprint they put it on look they put their limbs right on the screen is so true oh my god that's gonna make it so like just that little bit easier yeah I'm looking forward to seeing phones this yeah and I've talked about this on the podcast last year at the end like kind of like reminiscing 2017 is I really think we're gonna see all the big players come out with a face ID competitor because we thought anybody who's used it for any of your engine of time agrees at least I think it's it's it's changes the game it's like continuous authentication if you don't look at it it stops with advocating you can pass the phone to a friend they're screwed they can't see anything I think to me that I'm actively actively authenticating I'm trying to say that I think that I also want the fingerprint I'm expecting that I prefer expecting like the guess nine for example it'd be amazing if faking your face ID as good as Apple yeah I was reliable and it can be useful Google pay and it's now called Google pay on the screen they're gonna do retina they're gonna do face ID no don't pick the iris scan here's the thing in the case of the iris scanner I I guess I was okay with the iris scanner until I started using face ID now every time I pull out the no date and I try to use the iris scanner I'm so used to the concept of not having to align align my face in a specific way now and I just don't deal with that I'm with ya you know and so I guess I'm spoiled by the iPhone 10 so much so that I don't know what the feature of the ire scanner will be Nicole's like stupid no and I'm reading my notification something obvious different thing open [Laughter] it's so annoying that's unlocking my phone on the parade of the synaptic sensor but I actually had a little bit of time hard time actually using it because it is so small man you don't have the physical alignment of a metal ring where you're putting your finger on and you have to push a little bit harder but to get your finger to align with or so it reads it more if you have let less because it's optical yeah okay my point ain't no nearby 520 meters square and you're there using the OLED to a light to reflect the image data from the print down to the sensor so it's sorted so I asked so I asked the the rep there and she said they can't make the sensor larger so that you have a larger area and you could technically put in multiples so you put one out of the bottom you could put one in the middle it's all up to the OEM how they want to implement it sure the OEMs what I was saying I was like yeah you just have one the whole bottom half of the phone well division you charge anywhere there yeah but then money yeah money exactly what's crazy is you can actually see it at high my network talking about a rap or the podcast like if you angle the phone just right yeah the macro is either sitting under the under the oullette but when you fire in the display and get a big role in macro shot right on it you can just in Cara's like the selfie camera should be under there or like oh yeah other sensor that you want under the display and look if you think about it it's an optical sensor so what what limits the selfie camera to fit there in the future well you just have the just can't be lit to peak between them it has a ring to pixels and then you have to pull out that data between is amazing to be things difficult like you know you know so the the touch sensors we use fingerprint sensors are capacitive high resolution passive and to me that they managed to make it work optically through a screen and you the lens issue - how do you focus the light properly like there's no lens at all it's no idea has always been optical so yeah touch ID so JP has always been that everybody else the capacitive the touch ID al was always a camera well in the Apennines I saw they was using the bouncing off method was using the pixels going back up and then down bouncing it down to the center again so I mean I don't know you know I just remember that I forgot to remove my fingerprint from the demo yes I'm fingerprint number five all right so should we move on to another topic so the people thing is definitely the thing that we're most amazing with I haven't seen it yet but I'm pretty excited go look yeah is there anything else that stands out oh my god that razor project okay I'm sorry I'm sorry like so I had to like download old footage from Michael's previous reviews on the PadFone on yeah from we've been covering so many you've been covering this forever the whole concept of your smartphone being more powerful and you know I guess my biggest problem with things like Dex is how much it costs to get in it's like and then you need a monitor plus a mouse plus a keyboard and your mobility just goes completely down the drain right there I like the concept of a pad phone because it was still a mobile product it was just a different form factor but Android was just not ready and so I mean when when I saw a project limit I just walked in I was like is that a trackpad with speakers and like you know it's the razor phone I'm like you're kidding me I thought it was genius just the placement of where it is in the whole class I've always said that somebody needs to put replace the trackpad of a laptop with a phone and I guess that's what they did yeah and I did the only thing that's missing is for the phone to vibrate the moment you press things because it you know myself all the time just trying to press the damn screen at least six months before he hits the market and it's so far off but the problem is I would buy the product just as it is without whatever it is that they want to have so wanted they wanted to be a touchscreen they want they want dual screen functionality I don't care about those things right I want that thing to be a laptop whenever I want it to be and for the photo system that said that would be me for the listeners who haven't seen it and they might have seen it on various covers that you guys did but I'd be like what does it look like this is basically the trackpad is replaced by a razor still has is a radio still has the keyboard in the display it doesn't have hardware acceleration for graphics then No Karin has is well and they gave you the information I saw your video they give you information on storage yeah and give me anything yes like 56 whatever battery and then I than 200 gigs of additional store I understand why the haptics because the phone itself would be bright vibrant because if you take the phone away it's just a pit and you know otherwise would be shaking at the pit but that USB C port you know you press the button and you know insert it in to the bone and it's like really rolling noise like yeah yeah I think that's so smart because I don't think I necessarily would have thought of that but that you hit the button the USB C port goat that the port goes into the connector and then you can turn the thing upside down and the phone's gonna stay in there yeah yeah and it's the phone goes right to the edge and there's a gap in the casing so to sign in you just drop your thumb on the fingerprint sensor is it six out the side it's so thoughtfully designed that is amazing you rip the phone out yeah I was like oh it was oh right so I was like oh I love it but I was like oh this isn't working anymore and then I realized that I just change the phone the phone right out did you make the connector Wow no and I didn't I didn't afterwards I was like wiggling things around we were talking to the product engineer that they only brought a handful of them here that he had like personally put together and he was saying the thing that I was most worried about was not the press breaking them but the other people that are here at CES but of course Nicole would beYOU know what well if the Razr PR folks on this thing I still need my review unit number one Nicole broke I feel waiting I'm hoping you know if Huawei is gonna do their thing with the may 10 so that you can use it as that as a computer I mean if Samsung is gonna do it I hope that Razer goes beyond just having this be a concept than price and aggressively I mean if they told me that the whole package of the razor phone Plus this thing would cost me a thousand bucks I'd pay for it would you I'd go for it rather than buying just like an $800 really good let's just well think about it I mean but you get your phone you think about it so the biggest problem with Chromebooks is just how Pat they launched Android apps it's you can get a PC for seven yeah but you wouldn't want to go back to Android and you know how prepared it is for this kind of yes they had a custom launcher you know well that's very much does a fuchsia is the way to go here if they're merging we don't even know if you know know but that's a really good point that was raised when I was in there there was just a bunch of people bounced around talking questions stuff is like well in two or three years maybe when that confluence happens this could be a really compelling product until then it's like it's a really well-executed Atrix again yeah the issue I have is Razer is new to the smartphone market how many devices have they sold and they're creating a device that only works for their unique phone so I was talking to Sean last night about there's like you have maybe 50,000 phones sold your maximum market share or maximum sales for this product is maximum fifty thousand if a hundred percent of your razor phone owners buy this that's that's not a like it's an engineer's product if we're not it's not a company's marketing like this is how we're gonna make a lot of money yeah like someone came up with this idea and said we could yeah it's great but how are you gonna sell it who are you gonna sell it to yeah are we sure it's really gonna come out in basketball you may not just like oh we got like like what assisted with the patent but they put 10,000 units under like real product soos has like markets of scale and they're like 50,000 times bigger than race no no no but like I would like put like legit suits just like made yeah like remember the ek finish it up all the time like they have money to burn - oh sure razor has a track record of doing this - si si si have a Disney show where they're like here's crazy keyboard PDAC acted like oh she's a green laptop is that all the other types got stolen yeah clamshell PV a Windows machine appears back with ladies or build the cheesehead like le or LED screens in my what yes yes like all that all the keys were OLED screen I can you can probably look for the next blackberry you can reprogram it oh well great but that has that makes sense in gaming world because you can control whatever the heck you want I don't see as it is with Android and with that kind of I don't see it I don't see where the target is well that's this is a concept prototype thing will it actually be a product that yeah that will actually hit the market factors may be a limited selling razors razors track record is zero possibilities a single concept that they've brought to CES has never yeah it's just to get us to show up with their boots it works Thank You razor for helping sustain the publication I have to admit it was my favorite thing on the show was it yeah I mean I liked the idea I feel that with Android we're not even close to the implementation I get it it's just I would never be caught dead using Dex it just won't happen do you only see the simple solution is what I always doing with the honor the matin Pro agree just plug it into an MHL or or disable there but you don't need the doc for Dex like the doc is an option like you've got Club I do told you can't you have to like hock something to make it work yeah just to make you feel better my friend I'm thinking what else stood out right see I've got a Bible TV yeah yeah that's order one huh yeah that's not it like honestly I stopped caring about making youtube videos after I did that when I was like I just don't care about any other products anymore I actually don't think I've posted a single I maybe after after see yes I'll get back to it this is like a million views that's cool it doesn't look like it should be able to bend rolls up you're like my god it's magic I didn't see it so for those who haven't so it's like basically it's a 65 inch glorious right now and then like it has tiny maybe like one centimeter slats on the back or you can just see them kind of like fold around right in most demos they don't let you they didn't let me take off the box but you can see it like rolling down X I think Fox me you've got it so that's around a roll around that's the rigid component that keeps it like yeah so it just it just rolls away and the plastic front so it's like we can't tell you what it is plastic yeah right but like when it comes back up and you're looking at it it doesn't look like it should be able to curved yeah it looks like it's actually tiny little slots it kind of goes in around a probably pretty big spool but it's very controlled the motion and the bending and but it was black there's no waves there's nothing it's perfect and the idea is that like it is just for different aspect ratios roll away the bars yeah unlike and then III know like in Asia most people I know don't have TVs cuz they're like ugly right this apartment is so small you don't want to come at all I mean if you have a big TV it's gonna be the focal point of your living and maybe that's not sure you want as part of your life unhealthy its unhealthy that have like such a big but you like so you're totally like we like putting it away when they're not watching it's a piece of furniture rolls down into a piece of furniture it's like so nice like short-throw 4k projection yes a piece of furniture and you know you have it up against the wall and then it projects 80 inches onto the wall and it's right on the wall smart homes more furniture I know have a projector in my place in Portland and I have a 105 inch image it's fantastic alright and I can put it away like it just disappears I still use the ZTE SPRO - yeah it's so it's perfect for karaoke yeah I still hate the the velcro sounds they include an unboxing video though uuugh I'm not the wise I thought you were afraid of the knife that I used you guys heard that ain't that anchor Nebula know what the US only got it really it's a projector made by anchor huh and it's like a little a little bucket it's okay I gave up my apartment in all of my worldly possessions and is one of the few things I own the UI sucks since were on TVs and projectors did anyone see the little robot at pep calm that had Android TV projector that was yes Oh like egg-shaped robot that has a projector built-in that's Android TV and it follows you around the house projecting TV on the wall watch this commercial they actually had two of them like side-by-side and they were like competing to where they were projecting I'm like what the heck is going on I'm sorry I don't know the actual things do things like that cost in japan reaiiy yeah the iPhone used to be like $1500 years ago yeah but there was that thing that really heartwarming thing at one of the one of the shows within the show where it's like it was the Aflac duck yes Oh I didn't go over there cuz I was like that yeah yeah hey let's give you one right like it's intended for kids who are you don't have brakes are serious serious health problems and like need to do injections and stuff and you can do like the Aflac duck or whatever like that and it's like it's it's meant to like be scarify right so they can just get more comfortable I didn't expect to like no idea I look for three hours like you are but I have a new one is lovely but I didn't see a particular journal that I like to the show but I saw right across the hall from where all the drums are being demoed in their cages and flying they have this like super military looking booth with these dudes in like all the combat fatigues and this very intimidating looking piece of equipment that looks like it's from the top of a tank the biggest tagline on the drone is what will bring them down well and so I've seen a lot of devices like that like drone security like yeah and they've been out for a while and but they are illegal well they're illegal because drones are governed by the FAA yeah it's a terrorist attack if you take a drone out of the sky really yeah all of these products like in the United States no no they to be FAA owns the sky there's you why whenever his town tried to pass an ordinance like governing drone drone flies over beaches the aphasic can't there's actually an airspace to find for it it's just because it's Class G I mean it's anything below 1,200 feet is available covering but yeah yeah so this booth it's crazy like I wanted to go back because I was like oh yeah because there's a TV screen off to the side and on this TV screen it's personal trike okay so you can okay forever they call it but basically if we're all walking through a crowd it can follow you oh it's almost like the talker thanks you're a recognition on a drone in a crowd yeah over a crowd oh there's hime a facial recognition or is it like her body's body ready yeah person so I saw someone getting a demo and I was like figure out it to get that because then he like tapped on the person and then there's like this guy like was like ducking behind other people drums follow no no the the image is falling in okay right so it was it was it was a demonstration camera DJI has the tracking and you'll a draw a little square but it loses you all the tips and listen speaking of the junior I mean I I was at their booth two things well three I mean what is that huge drone that they have it's it looks like a freaking airplane I mean oh then I'm not drone probably with the reversal drug that was one number to tell me that it's true that their new DJI Osmo is just costing 125 bucks so the DJI Osmo the the hem stable as you have smartphones is the new one is 129 dude yes are you sure $300 and I was like no yeah and three people told me yesterday that that was the price day I doubt that I don't know it could be the old one that got discounted day which would be great time you'll be awesome Oh in the or the old what is good enough pretty good I mean I'm getting a little annoyed it doesn't well oh my god well and it doesn't work with large devices what you love the road saw the Ronin it's just for a full blown camera yeah gimbal for a full blown Cameron they've got two one for like mirrorless cameras one for dslr's yeah but and it's even got feet and everything for you to set it up so it becomes a monopod if you wanted to it becomes ever it's a blogger tool Indian like what 1,200 bucks or what is this thing I mean they're not the first on the market for with with a stabilizer like that with for DSLR there's a couple other Chinese brands and do it but the DJI does it better than everybody else they're more unique them yeah well until it forgets what zero is and all of a sudden all your wait a second it never knows where zero is from the moment you unbox it anyway so it's like fair first couple shots parts that you lost the tiny one DJ I guess does 101 that they did [Laughter] you're like in the city responsible close close calls like I'm flying in I'm like return to home lost signal and like yeah it's like two miles away oh it was within like no it was not within life I know he's like sunset getting dark and I'm like I'm in a small town and but I was trying to get like this football field in the high school it was like beautiful sunset and like return home crap we're like 30 seconds of like blank screen I'm like yeah and then it comes back I'm like dude you know to be honest that is the thing my thing with teacher like they make an incredible hardware those drums are nearing perfection err their app is it's crashed on me say is that garbage I mean it crashes on me regularly yeah Thank You Lee the spark is like his actual is actually smart enough to just hover there and wait for the me to restart the app yeah but boy it still you're like what are you gonna do up there huh the app will fail but if you're recording video it's still recording video and so it's recording you frantically trying to [Laughter] at least you don't have to worry about being able to portray how bad it is you have no idea you're like so they're surprising thing it's failed more on my pixel the app then on a Samsung and HTC know they're to crash the attic so it crashed under I have it for me it's only possible a strobe now I've never used the drone yeah I guess but it's just hilarious when yesterday like I was like but do you have any experience flying drones and I'm like no but flown airplanes does that help so let's see what else we got here on this list I want to add something really quickly I got to went to the fear booth you know the thermal-imaging folks and I saw some cool stuff there that's like prototype II they had a pair of glasses like when clearly for like industrial or you know work like workmen type glasses safety glasses and they had like a thing that looked like Google glass on it made by some company whose name I completely forgot but it basically has a FLIR thermal camera on it and it did the Google glass thing of showing you the thermal image superpose whatever you pointed at and it's really small and I match to get if you go on my Twitter feed right now you'll see I'm I take the photo of from inside the lens like it looks really great with a pixel of course which is the best phone ever made the entire planet with cameras make sure the Panasonic Toughbook tablet a tough pad I guess is called a small one like iPad Mini size and run on Android Windows 10 and he had built-in FLIR imaging and it was glorious like rugged droppable water-resistant step on it break it doesn't break so kind of for the reinforced construction sighs yeah barcode scanner he had like a studio camera on the back ahead like I was just like Oh like the most extreme yeah we have to send it to Adam it's not bad right focus it isn't everything I never saw Fleur was maybe like 8 or 9 years ago it was a CTIA and I was just like hanging out with the guys and they had the camera pointed out at the crowd and then do that but also like you know in public and they're laughing at me this young guys with the doughnuts it's a FLIR enabled drone other things that we're cool Michael do you want to talk I think you were the one who wanted to talk about this YouTube channel check it out yeah so what do you think so what's interesting about this thing is that it's not a smartphone replacement even though it could be but they're very literally not marketing it's one like it is much more like a laptop that stumbled its way into a shrinking machine right but it's not likely and that like it is literally a Sony Tablet P like eyeglass shaped thing that splits along the longitudinal axis you open it up and then there's this keyboard inside that's not a BlackBerry keyboard it's not a MacBook keyboard it's like like a 1998 IBM chiclet keyboard yeah yeah and I think I'm saying it like it's ugly it's not it's really pretty good photographs well what she and then you lay your fingers like wait wait wait why my is the spacebar not like these keys direct rental force so I was like okay at CES we're looking at pre-production stuff right so I'm like hey dude sir how close is this to production he was basically like these are frying all production set and I was like oh no cuz I love the idea of a modern-day PDA I don't think a lot of people would buy them I think it would skew toward an older demo but there isn't probably a market for it but you've got to nail that keyboard and I really really hope that he was wrong and then the one if that's the selling point it has to be Gunnar Finn you've gotta be gotten it right on yeah yeah but they have what they have a Wi-Fi version of a 40 version the screen is really nice it runs Android still boots and Linux for the 4G and and you can get a candidate pay 50 bucks put a camera then it'll own you make it but can make voice calls and because of you I wouldn't spent 25 minutes because of you playing with it yeah so I went there I think that you can get the keyboard if you try and I questioned your dedication really yes it see you do you aim away from it and you were like you could write after 45 minutes of like people coming and talking to me the table and being like them take it back I'm not done yeah she's like writing her review on it yeah well kept on chatting and I'm like don't take it away I still haven't finished filming and so like by the end of it I still couldn't figure out how to open the stupid music video but but I was getting I think the spacebar is the hardest right but the keys once you kind of get that so it took me maybe like I'd say like five or six hundred words like she rolled her hands on people came and chatted and I just kept on practicing since all right that's really cool because that's what I mean the people who have ordered this and by the way it's like one of the most popular and you go-go projects 2014 it's like it's 230% buy it and then they're like well alright now I'm gonna write everything on this very well stays until I'm what is it running Android yeah Android and they you can do anything like that you know there's another a successful crowdfunding project is that Windows 10 super shiny yeah yeah who's it like that but cheaper and jankier or is it as good no I know I think the hardware feels really nice feels good nicer yes board works really well when you set it down on a table it real it's it's top-heavy if you're holding it in your hands and you're trying to go with your thumbs so just that keep that in mind like if you have to put it down and use it as a lab it's not meant to be a little the original Windows CE PDAs do you know what I figured out how to type on it when the guy was showing me how to type on it I'm like oh he types like a grandpa maybe maybe maybe four remember tiny tutor right there yeah kind of like tapping with his fingers maybe occasionally the thumb yeah there's not enough room but then like when I saw him like peck away at the keyboard I was like oh it'd be like my grandpa typing that's how much I altered my style okay right and then I was like oh this this works I can hear the normal people being like but why am i right why not buy like a 400 other laptop like we were talking with before and just do that but here's my thing I'm always on a plane I'm always on a train and every single time the guy in front of you recline the seat and that's fine I had no room but you have no room for a big laptop I guess maybe bless we need the perfect don't you take the cafe car no but for me economy I just want a landscape slider back like I love it you don't even know I want I want no one would that was exist that I never used them because your thumbs have to track it was too much travel I loved I loved it I feel like very key one I always wondered why nobody came up with like something where it was a slider but then you don't want such a you know ample keyboard and so just put a d-pad on the left and something on the right and a numeric keyboard it's just my biggest problem with using phones for gaming is not having keys to play with word so if somebody would come out with a slide-out keyboard that in the middle would be the QT and then on the sides it would have like a control like a like a d-pad that could be used for gaming and then the other one but there was a Sony one with Windows Mobile back in the day that was built by HTC that had that no no it was an Android one I have it the Xperia Play I have it was shitty whatever I have a question that's not on the list pros anybody see yeah since we're talking my keyboards anybody see in the Moto mod with the QWERTY keyboard no I think this game it was one of my clients when they were working on this not anymore but it's fine I'm just saying like I just need to be in fear that if we talked about it it was one of my clients to help them with a lot of their you know strategy around this product because I kind of know what you guys would all want right yeah so so Sean Sean Hollister of Cena you know what's kind of like the guy that I knew would be be really into it and and and you know the only thing I couldn't get them to do at least on this first gen is a staggered Keys which I think really need to have alright but just got the backlight and it's also a little sicker than we wanted but I think they had so many issues getting the Moto mod connector the pins you know like and everything to to fit in the right space so it's a little bulkier than I expected it to be and not staggered but I think they're working on it also if you played with them these are 4th gen prototypes on 5th gender so I don't why they bring those but anyway I don't remember the price but it's yeah no I didn't play with I haven't seen I went up to go try and do it and set the Lenovo yeah I know sweetie which we're gonna find the Gemini thing oh that was another the words that yeah their hands yeah I can give us a booth number sweet but oh that was the thing that you guys talked about pack lights and the Gemini doesn't have a backlight no I won't do not understand that decision the higher quality key captain Lee cool but I want to talk in the darkness I want Harmon to talk about his most loved keyboard of CES evidence they're not even at CES today oh yeah oh so so they they want us to do a review on the product they sent one friend Adam Lane did the that our text review but they they would like a video and I you know I was like okay sure I love the surface form factor but I got the chance to see it today for the first time and I was like wait a second so you're telling me that you pretty much did everything that the surface should be yeah really really literally created a computer that is absolutely everything that the surface should have always been and then you also came up with a keyboard that looks almost identical to it oh and you can also unsnap it and use it wirelessly it also has that function but it's got all the ports that we wanted it's got all the specs that we wanted there there are no fans there's a core i7 variant with 16 gigs of ram two USB ports out of it which one of them is Thunderbolt 3 2 USB a ports a pen pen I'm like I just wanted to say that the keyboard is also backlit and it also works when I change and it changes colors together shoot a drop what's wrong with it wait so base level is 99999 959 959 if you and we're talking about an m3 with everything but they're thinking about ditching the m3 because it's pointless yeah the price tag the price tag between that and the i-5 is just insignificant and they're not doing fans anyways and so you know you look at their whole profile just this is just the product look I just wish the keyboard came in like red or blue or something like that but an absolutely everything else I'm like you realize that this is a you know daily driver potential for me I need a surface for work I actually rely on pen input for my scripts and but the difference is I could actually edit a video on this thing I mean I mean it's powerful enough it's a seven point five water TPU but it does perform like I was very impressed yeah Mac's back nine seven which is the dual core but it was Sarabhai gigs of ram six is you Hannibal store 1895 512 512 gigabyte solid state drive got me well there are numbers yes oh the numbers resolution is play 18 so it's an it so sharp XO display just like on a razor yeah looks gorgeous I bought one myself by five but not really the pocket just to be clear oh it's this is not here at the show right it's it's at the Intel booth it's because so they had it and they had a Kickstarter campaign yeah raised raised nearly three million bucks and you talk to these guys and these guys are very passionate people you know they're young they actually they can tell you they finish Finley yeah yeah and they can pinpoint like absolutely everything that the community asks for in this could be a gas liquid and how they figured it out how they added the fingerprint scanner to the button to the power bud just about everything Oh in the display they has no reflection as well I'm like holy crap a magical unicorn they launched texts and I went to look for it at the Microsoft but it's there it's there I walked around I couldn't find it because I'm like because it looks so there's actually a good segue because I think I want to talk about that Lenovo device that the welcome based Windows 10 the leaks mi IX 630 from the reason I'm bringing it up is because I was in Hawaii with a bunch of you yeah for the reveal the big the first two products that were revealed with running Windows 10 on Snapdragon 835 and I booth at Illinois was 835 still not yet given five yet and of course we saw then Anna sous laptop form factor and we saw an HP detachable floppy keyboard is what I like to call them form factor and because to me the surface book is also detachable but it's done right you know I'm saying and then and then of course this this lenovo is also a floppy keyboard detachable tablet and so a couple of things you know at the time I had expressed my concern saying like you know it's a good start and I understand that we're actually waiting for probably Computex and Snapdragon 845 versions and I Suz to really jump in and give us a Zen book style device but the thing that's interesting to me is that when I looked around how ananova was positioning this device it's very obvious to me that they're afraid of pissing off Intel and a normal laptop that these things are going to be tablet derivatives and it's pissing me off because all I'm asking for I have a MacBook on the table here recording you guys all know what it looks like you guys all seen a Zen book the super slick super thing I want a laptop not a tablet detachable or otherwise convertible I want a laptop running Windows 10 it doesn't have to have a touchscreen but I want to stop dragging 845 LTE huge battery and super thin and I'd and even an even thinner and lighter than Ezra Zenbook give me that and what and I don't think we're gonna get that because they're gonna say well it has to have a touchscreen because you know because it's not driving why would we throw away the stud screen because everything like well but here's the thing though like we've been asking for that because those who like Chromebooks we've been asking for that for Chromebooks as well because you can get a nice Chromebook true but it's super expensive right and so I think the the manufacturers are afraid of pissing off Microsoft by creating an awesome you know $300 Chromebook that looks incredible when they can do that for Windows there are devices for it so they can do it yeah as you said they're afraid that you see I'm not sure willing to pay 1500 oh this was a 1799 fully loaded MacBook when I bought it two years ago I don't care it's a work thing I don't care I'll pay for it so for me it's not the price so much it's just I want the super light super thin great battery life LT and snapdragon brings that to me in Windows 10 and we understand is the only u.s. that's full-fledged enough for me to actually work on yeah but here's the thing there I don't know at least my opinion is for example things that they were showing off like 20 hours of battery life I'm not awake for 20 hours unless I'm so nice for flights I like yeah for a flight to China that's great but it's nice to see yes yes you don't know when you're gonna plug in so I like the concept but I was like okay I would like the option where there is your regular form factor but then I would love for somebody to experiment with this like really thin crazy computer that will weigh one pound and fit anywhere in my best acne and fine just give me ten hours of battery because you can't fit a larger battery in that I don't care I just want it to be really thin anyway you know the other thing I'd be willing to do if it wasn't a laptop is a Lenovo yoga so I'll come back convertible yeah because I think the engine is awesome yes and and I don't or like the pixel book the pixel book is probably the best laptop design of all time I'm sorry but I think it really is associated so light it runs really long and battery it's a really fast the only thing that I wish I had is it more less bezel yeah but here's the thing the yoga book last year remember that yoga book yes yeah imagine you put a real keyboard and trackpad on that instead and you keep it that's in in light and you give me Windows 10 bezel las' and you put like a fingerprint reader and now it's got 15 hour battery life LG that's what I would it's tiny you throw it in your bag you're done you're gonna work anyway you can edit video anywhere there's nothing like that would be a truly aspirational like category defining product and none of these manufacturers seem to want to create that I was asking at Lenovo the same thing I asked both what Asus and HP it was like why are you using the same old brands why does every manufacturer seem to want to hide these behind like I don't not that I'm saying mix six thirty is not memorable just sound like a Saturday night Lenovo to its credit was the only one to actually answer me in their answer was hilarious there's a well we haven't really we haven't done it's you know the 630 we haven't done it even numbered six before I think it'll come it's just it's an unproven category as it right now so there and I think they're really they're just taking their pinky toe and stepping in and like we're not trying to make anybody mad and we're not trying to make something incredible if people buy this will make a second one but is it is it because I questioned this sometimes we're all content producers with a very specific the average consumer does not do what we do they serve little babies or how do you look so how can we criticize them for not building us our dream machine there's probably what five thousand but was so influential you know Microsoft has been dealing with that I mean they've been wanting I mean there's a program where they reached out to us particularly because they actually want to start changing the thing where they noticed press events and all they see are Apple logos being lit during the press events by all the press that's all we use and why because these computers actually address some of the true needs of creators regardless if we're such a small niche touch bar number one oh my god please have a MacBook without touch bar that's more powerful yeah that's all I want I'm going to go all USBC and speaking of all US PC haha the Segway has been made touch bar some more we go that's good for is going back and forth scrubbing between Instagram videos it's not good Instagram but why are you watching Instagram videos on I think for me the biggest I mean my MacBook is the original not beat slightly flashed a revised version and it's it's I struggle I mean a 5s more than five times I can't really use it and I do basic video editing on it thank God it's not that bad on iMovie especially the new version of iMovie is really optimized so it's really optimized it's incredible I render faster with this when then with my Elgato stick when I used to have another stance which is incredible again it's less powerful than when i use an elgato stick on the old version of imovie on my MacBook Air which was a faster computer anyway I want a MacBook Airs macbook 13 like my GoPro 13 I want the high-end version without the touch bar and the fingerprint reader though yeah see I'm saying yeah but I know that's gonna go in there gonna put a face ID and all the interest right just I want can somebody please you know Apple it's about time for a quad-core 13-inch MacBook Pro yeah please because I've been I've been always wanting to move back to 13 inches I hate carrying that behemoth it's a month of the 15 inch computer and I can because I need quad-core performance for the amount of video that I do yeah it's just night and day when you hit that render button it's like shoot I can't you know so I want to talk about the Dex mr. Chan real quick all usb-c all the time what do you guys think I think it was just hot because of the white and gold rose gold somehow that combo really works and I'm really fascinated by the the fiber carton it's not carbon fiber its glass fibers believe that they custom-designed that where the white is embedded in it so it doesn't get dirty and they have a nano coating on top of that so it doesn't stain it just thought it was really cool is it just as soft as the previous XPS 13 I love that feel it's so the feel is a little bit different so it has a different feel than in the previous another previous one yeah it's a little bit smoother well it's smoother as in like glossy err yeah it's not the soft touch it so um the read is that he has nobody play with it I did not I mean I touched it for a minute it's it's it's the same we got the new color option with the white my complaint is the camera still at the bottom oh that's sort like you redesigned the thing you're calling it new and then you stick things they put the camera in the middle now at least but it's like I need a manicure every time I want to make like even if there's these major things wrong with it it's still didn't gonna be my number one recommendation for job tough for anyone yeah and I want to go excited about it it's just the price point for the design for the durability you know these - awesome you just can't beat it like I've unfortunately stopped recommending lenovo's because after one year everyone know they just died right yeah so like like I start to look at like when you recommend something and you're not gonna recommend an apple mm-hmm you have to go with the XPS okay yeah - look your friend in the eyes there's what I'm bringing up I think it is one of the most well sorted Windows 10 pcs you can buy because you have to look at all the angles not just the good design but yes your yes to be you know world potentially with you for a couple of years or more you know I keep my max for a long time most of them five years or so and and you know this one probably not because it's a little underpowered but I just bought a brand new iMac for the holidays I was like Oh tax deductions for 2017 but you know I mean the reality is I haven't set it up yet but I can't wait because I'm running on an old Mac Mini and it's painful but let's talk about one before I let you out for each of you very briefly because we really need to get out of here by in the next four minutes I wanted to ask you I just mentioned really quickly Alcatel had some phones we're gonna see what mobile Congress we have collectively here decided that we have no comment [Laughter] tell us where people can find you online no Nicole underscore scooter wonderful jewels I am at point jewels also on Instagram where I just made photos juice particles first of all is like obscenely weird but whatever then there's an S at the end and then of course pocket down of course Michael yeah I'm at the mister mobile pretty much everywhere th TMR MLB i le especially instagram where my producer Jules is kicking out pretty awesome Jules my producer justice row back sorry everybody got a really tiring chef Nick Nick you can find me on Twitter and Instagram Nick M gray or youtube.com slash hi-tech traveler mm-hmm really cool videos you've been doing that you in heaven plus you you you only you Nightingale's be 11 play it was thanks to Nicole here who's effective to me from yeah delivery survey collaborate hi me where can people find you okay youtube.com slash pocket now and then hi underscore Iveta on twitter hi Matt leave it on Instagram first IBM weekly do so you guys know where to find me I'm at TNT GRL on Twitter tanker without the vowels on my YouTube challenges Miriam's are my full name with a why youtube.com slash me and you are and of course please subscribe to the podcast mobile tech podcast com you can also find us on iTunes pocket casts and the RSS feed link is at that URL if you go to it thanks for tuning in I hope this was enjoyable thanks everyone for being here alright everybody and that's a wrap on the show once again our gratitude to Miriam drawer and the mobile tech podcast for the facilities and the conversation head on over to world podcasts com we think you should give the show a will earned it a subscription to be sure parking now is on Twitter Facebook Google+ Instagram and on YouTube of course we have a site pocketnow.com and dispatch site to that's yes that pocketnow.com just like this cannot continue without the support of listeners like you so if you think we did a good job with this episode share it wherever you can with your friends and even if you think we did a bad job rate and more importantly review the show on how to podcasts Spotify Google Play or wherever else you found us tell us what you think about any topic in mobile technology through the hashtag pn weekly on twitter or through email that's podcast at pocketnow.com we go through letters on the last week of every month it would love to tackle your questions it's one of the things that has kept us running this show every week for the past six years on behalf of the team I'm Jules Wong we thank you for listening and there's more mobile tech talk from pocket now coming next week you this one happens yeah what happens what we end up guessing she's our shooter that's the best idea I've ever heard