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sections down below make sure you become part of the discussion so that in our next episode we can answer some of your comments and also don't forget to share this episode to anybody who you think would love to hear this discussion in the background all right let's talk about face app and privacy on the internet here we go face app we're actually gonna do this live on the show or on the show yeah this is gonna be where we're basically we're reaching our own data right now but anyway we we thought we would actually go through this because some of some of the people out there may not be all up on the trends or anything like that so you might be curious as to why everyone's talking about this app so we're actually gonna look at it live on the show right now so let me go ahead and just open this up so this is so a user create the create your perfect look with our full-size filters mm-hmm turn yourself into a professional photos so there are filters for like beautifying you or adding like right there like well do and not only that you can actually even add a beard if you don't have one you can take a picture and add a beard you know alright so we're gonna we're gonna get into what our personal experiences were like with all this stuff I did play around with that too when I first got this app cuz okay we're gonna get into in the lab and have fun with magic transformations mix and match styles to find the one so if you hit start mmm now here's here's the reason why we wanted to start this out this way yeah so after everything that has happened this past week there is now a warning at the beginning at the very first open of the app that says cloud photo processing each photo you select for editing will be uploaded to our servers for image processing and face transformation so when we were getting ready to do this show what I wanted to do was install the app do a live like test of the actual capabilities of face app but I wanted to do so in airplane mode so if anything here let's both try it right now oh yeah degree I'm gonna hit a green okay I'm gonna hit agree and then I'm gonna go into airplane mode and let's see what happens I'll do the same thing airplane mode alright voila we're flying alright so airplane mode I still say access to photos you still have to hit allow in that case and it was a little that that warning that you just mentioned by the way just in case you've already had the application installed it came up after the last sub day so they just pushed an update yes as we were starting to get ready and everything I saw that it needed an update I clicked it and that warning came up so that's something that's new and everybody should see but I am an airplane mode now and in theory nothing's gonna be uploaded whatever I yeah said just did it I just found a picture that I was into and look at this is this cat logo right here that says you're offline so okay this is all this is all stuff there oh this is all stuff that everyone's talking about the fact that this app requires an internet connection but the thing is that's not necessarily the whole story here is that face app is a Russian application and all of the cultural implications aside there is this whole idea right now that if it comes from I hate to play it this way but if it comes from China or if it comes from Russia everyone just sort of gets really it's a security key I mean I think it's generally just the security concern especially with the with the stuff that's been going on with the election and so on so if people are a little bit anxious when you when you hear where the the companies from or where the servers could be so that's some of the things that people worry about yes so this past week when face app like I wonder it's like I'm willing to fall on my sword I don't have anything a high so I'm willing to fall on my sword and then and I'm gonna undo airplane mode and I'll show my before now after so this is a here's what is uploading right now dude it got it okay I'm gonna try to grab a picture from from yesterday when we were hanging out so yes de London still offline I realized that all right well one of the precautions that I wanted us to do was to take screenshots of the process rather than actually like but the thing is it doesn't matter anymore because the photo is literally uploaded to Phoebe's prot yeah it is post part it what it's process not possible yet so everything is done so let's go and do here so if you do aged and I do old even though there so I went ahead and look at the picture picture in here how bad did it go man it went pretty bad because you know what I'm wearing all of the same stuff cuz it's a full body shot and it's it's me looking all trendy but then my head just became very wrinkly like so if I'm not mistaken so the old and young are the two things that they have that they allow to use so I have old yeah young just goes really bad so because of the beard on me for some reason going old works great but I'm not necessarily I look great but you know it's this and then there's a smile zaps and then it's still everything is basically for the most part ease within the Profi pro side so you have a way of seeing what it kind of looks like on the free one looked like the class there's a classic look the original look either way it's it is as you said it's uploading your picture but supposedly only the image you select not everything in your gallery that's exactly something we're gonna get into that a little bit later but I wanted to like since we're getting into basically the reason why this app became such a big deal this past week so okay now that I've taken the screenshots I'm actually not going to like save the photo or anything like that I'm gonna go ahead and uninstall the app and it's not because I hate this that this thing is crazy yeah yeah and it's not even because I feel all that unsafe because of this app it's just that you know the we're trying to illustrate for you some of the points that we want to make by the end of this episode so yeah face app that is exactly what we're talking about today this past week you we just went through it right now so technically we are apart the hype but this past week around Tuesday Wednesday when everyone's Twitter's were all of a sudden like geriatric people yeah exactly and you didn't see it coming and you were sitting here just like and then suddenly think was it Marquez that I think I first noticed it with Marquez Marquez posted a picture and I'm like wow he looks very different without makeup but it was just like I started looking at him like what is and then I started seeing more stuff on Twitter and not just Twitter Instagram kind of was really big on that as well yeah there were a lot of them did you get into the hype like like I want to get some quick reactions to the app itself well yeah we kind of already did that but did ya did you do it did you participate in I did I I did I was very I I was very tempted just mostly just to see how it looked because of the fact that you know with a beard everything it generally face tuning applications don't do well with my face because they tend to cut off the beard and do some weird stuff with it I did it and and and for the best part is I think I took a picture of myself in front Carlos that we were doing a challenge together and I just aged myself and I posted it on my Instagram story and I sent it to Horn Carlos I said dude I've gotten a lot older since the last time we hung out together and then it actually you know overall the effect was okay did I read the the you know all the warnings and all that stuff into it I was familiar with the app from before is not the first time I was familiar with it but I just didn't realize that there was such a controversy around it so yeah I had to dabble there was my wife even downloaded and installed it and she did a whole bunch of stuff to me that I don't really appreciate it yeah and it's it's not phenomenon that like when something becomes for lack of a better term viral on social media that it seems like everybody kind of jumps on to it and yeah I did the same thing like my whole thing was when I when I first saw it happening it wasn't even because of any one personality online it was just that I start to see it on mass and another thing happened that we're gonna get into a little bit after my little story here my law anecdote I installed the application I took a picture and then I showed my parents I was like look like physically with my phone I didn't like download the photo down and then send it to them or anything like that which now live on the show we realize isn't is a moot point because the photos already upload it doesn't matter yeah that downloading it is it literally more of the Oh here by the way he's a copy of what we already have yeah exactly so yeah I sent I showed it to my parents and they were just like oh my god we all had a good laugh about it but that was it that was literally it and yeah I did not I did not get into more photos I didn't start to like because I know some people do that like I remember when other viral like face filters were happening like everyone just started putting in every single photo that they possibly could they wanted to see how much they could do it one of my favorite youtubers Aaron Hanson of the game grumps he actually took the photo downloaded it added another filter downloaded it added another filter he was blind yeah he kept reapplying it he was old six times over and looked it looked incredibly hideous and oh my god I think for the daily this past week when Jaime was talking about on the daily didn't he and Diego do the same thing I think Diego did it to him see that thing there is a big part of the social media where there weren't even actually asking people's permission the problem with this application and work the way it kind of works you don't need the official person's permission a picture of them posted online even if you take a screenshot of it you're able to post it in and there was a lot of people posting it was like famous people and so on but I think from I remember correctly if I saw the story on Instagram Diego did it to Jaime and I was like don't do it don't do it don't do anything he was a thumbnail for the day and that became the thumbnail and that's poetic of course putting Jaime in there you know it's like hi this is Jaime Rivera I'm still here it's got a little bit of a dribble heroes older for you but he still were and he is still rocking out some really good teas you know the one that I showed earlier is so funny because I'm wearing what is what basically equates to a millennial outfit but then my head is just so yeah it's like grandpa wants to be the young kid on that look now that is it it's a it has it's it's so the other thing also a lot of people may not realize this um you don't actually have to login to the app you don't have to use there's there's quite a bit of information where people are like well it has my information and so on there's like a Facebook layer yeah yeah there's they're supposed to be in most I think from what I understand I think with everybody that I know not one person logged in not one person signed up for the pro version everybody was just using the free option and it was just it was comical like I did the exact same thing you did I showed it to my mom and she's like yeah you kind of look like your uncle I'm like yeah then and I was one thing yeah I look like my uncle and in that which I thought was really weird because my uncle it's he's not blood related to me so that no I but that part a part of the the processing and everything is it I always wonder because in my mind I just the image that I did now sent and I think I'll send it to you for later on it literally looks like the forget the name of the character from from Tekken the the the Japanese character with the beard and the hair standing up like I forget his name oh yeah yeah yeah I know that was just literally the way I when I saw I saw him and like I look badass just older you know ya know to give all of our to give all of our viewers and listeners well by the way welcome to the this is a slightly different form or not even slightly this is a very different format for the pocket nyle weekly where we're just talking about one topic one on one conversation one on one on one so two people one topic that's really weird to say by anyway face up is not even that new it's been around for a while and yeah yeah I think 2017 was when I first came out and like many beautifying applications there are a ton of them and by the way majority of them do come from places like China and Russia so this is not the only app that is like that I mean just think of all of the Chinese phones that you might have ever used mmm all of those applications those are all beautifying modes and whatnot Xiaomi zone for that how I was I was just about to say Xiaomi is big and there's a lot of options in there camera app yep native then there are just like any of those applications it starts out it starts off simply enough you can change your hair color you can in this case the beard stuff was one and then changing your like making you seem younger was already a thing there the old part was later was was actually recent that you can make yourself younger that was one of the original features and face app has already been in the news for controversy because all some of the links will hopefully be in the description down below as long as I can find these articles again but I was reading up on this and a year or two ago earlier on in the lifespan of face app it made it so that in order for you to look more beautiful your skin kept getting lighter so you can just imagine oh that's right yeah yeah yeah just imagine how people reacted that to that kind of thing so in all honesty face app is not without its controversy to begin with it's just that now we live in a we live in an age where so much of our data is out there and it's just that now we have an application that literally says in its terms and conditions that everything that it uses can be used for future materials I mean let me let me find a real quick actually um that terms and conditions I don't know if here why don't I copy this over TK I want you to read this for our for our viewers so look out into the Skype chat right there oh wow this is this is actually kind of not disturbing it is unsettling when you read this out loud the way the way it reads okay so you grant face tap a perpetual in irrevocable irrevocable non-exclusive royalty-free free worldwide fully paid transferable sub license the sub sub licensable license to use reproduce modify adapt publish translate create derivative works from distribute publicly perform and display your User Content and any name username or likeness provided in connection with your User Content in all media formats now known or later developed with that later develop that is messed up okay yeah exactly that compensation it without compensation to you so basically what you're telling face app is I want to use your application everything that is uploaded because of it can be used in the future or and or if you use it in social media or something like that the face app company will potentially take those photos and use it for future marketing purposes for example accident like even other apps if they decide to make another app that does something else they could use some marketing information from this one it goes a little bit away from what they said that so they're saying somewhere I think they made a statement that the data is only there for like 48 hours between 40 hours supposably but this this contradicts that that's a little bit talking out of both sides of your mouth there exactly so that's the thing so it's it's one thing for the data to be in the servers and then to go away that's what snapchat does snapchat who already went viral fairly recently because of their gender bending theater or people were just swapping genders I remember everyone was going viral on that and also that was also another one um okay I'll get into this topic in the low and a little bit the whole idea that people were doing it to you or to me rather than me actually using it myself hmm because that happened a lot anyway snapchat they say that all of the snaps and all the content that go up on their servers are deleted once every party involved looks at but basically once the snap is viewed it is gone the server and if it stays on the server because somebody does not look at it right away it's up there for up to 30 days and then it's and then it's deleted because you know the person that you sent your snap to you probably ghosted you episode by the way well yeah we could do a whole episode on ghosting alone anyway why she's not responding but yeah but yeah that's that's the whole idea behind cloud servers is that they bring it up they they perfect they perform AI functionality on uploaded photo and then download down the result to you what's different though is that the terms and conditions do make it seem like they keep the content so that's the reason why there's all this controversy going on right now I don't know how you feel about all of this like when you read something like this does it make you not want to use this app it's so we have to realize when we when we look at this app we're okay and we're focusing on on you know face app specifically but keep in mind that we normally on a day-to-day basis used different cloud storage type of services that use our data it's you know because we say the word you know our data is on the cloud but the reality is our data is on the cloud in multiple buckets in different areas and maybe you know not the same people it's not like one area I mean so the reality is I really don't have much to hide I mean my pictures are mostly backed up anyways to Google photos it's not like I have anything really running over it again a little bit later - that's actually yeah with very salient point that you just and and and - that's - that later on but the overall I think my main thing when I found out about the concerns and so on the main thing I was like my main thing that was kind of very worried because a lot of people were talking about it so that he was uploading every photo so I tested that out I went in there and I selected an image but I only had one image on that phone and I wanted to see basically was it trying to look for more was it trying to do other things I'm going you know I checked the piracy site also looked at the permissions and so on overall you need to understand there is no such thing as free it comes down to that there really the word free app free download is not true there is some way that the developers either making money or something that they're doing to compensate themselves or you know fund something is this you know we've seen it with many apps Instagram we've seen it with whatsapp you know when Facebook takes over it has to figure out a way to monetize but my concern is does it really affect me if it's taking one picture that I selected and I personally chose to send to them I assumed that the processing wasn't on the on device the level of processing and how good it came out I realized that it was not on the phone because there's just no way and yeah at the end of the day when I was done with it I uninstalled it I mean I reinstalled it today just for us kind of thing yeah all right so just to kind of play with it because I yeah when we were preparing for everything I installed it and saw the update there so but that all that that all bears in mind that for people like us and I'm talking about us in particular not any like generalized group I'm talking about me and utk we actually don't use applications like this to the extent that I feel like a lot of people did like no we can't we come in we have a laugh we put one photo maybe in Jaime's case he just used it for a pocket now we clocking out daily thumbnail yeah but even he said in the daily that he was a little bit skeevy sure about it which is why shortly after he did what he needed to do he uninstalled it so I feel like that's I feel like that's a big portion of it and but but this is the thing do we actually have that much control over how much of our likeness or our faces actually go up in the cloud in this way because to be honest I'm not calling anybody out I'm not saying it's a bad thing we or having a laugh that's that's the one of the main points I want I want to put out there is that despite all of these things happening it's it's really important for everyone to know that you know we're still trying to have fun we're still trying to just enjoy these things that happen that's what virality kind of creates is like a fun thing for that collective consciousness to have there are some implications behind that which is what we're gonna talk about later but it wasn't because I stumbled upon the app and I did something and then I'm like oh crap you know this is really cool it's because other people people we know started posting our photos on the internet that were of the face our of our faces being old which meant that they went through found other people's photos uploaded them to face apps cloud and then did that because you had original control into what you can update yeah it exactly exactly so did that did that happen to you or just in general now you're not with somebody online but that's alright before we started the show we explained that you know my wife decided to go through all different filters on this so ya know it it's easily doable I mean obviously a she she has access there's no issues with privacy there but it was more about the fact that she was able to do so many different options and send me different examples of things that I didn't even try I literally went into the app I tried the aging one used it and that was okay thank you that was fun that one image I processed it on mine and I think I didn't even really publicly post it I did another one but the one I did in on the one with a friend of mine I didn't really post it online I shared it directly with that person and I said look how funny it is and then that was it but yeah it that that's the part that bothers me is the fact that you can do it on other people and you don't necessarily have to you know should we ask other people like if I did a picture of both of us hanging out should I have to send them this once okay yeah you know Josh I'm about to aid you and post this picture I was like we're about I'm gonna bore you so bad you think you're gonna age right now by the end by the end of this conversation you will be 2 generations older oh yeah I mean but should we ask I think that you know social etiquette is another thing part of that it's you know people posting things of you and the reality is that yeah do you own the stuff once it's posted online once you put it on Instagram you put it into the Internet's or the you know the social media accounts can you really control what happens with it so with all that in mind we're going to move from face app into the all discussion about privacy and just how hard it is to be truly private on the Internet before we do that I actually wanted to make sure that we do our recurring segments this is something that I want to do more often on our podcast I didn't put this in the rundown by the way this is just gonna be us so the question that I posted last week as Jaime and I were doing our one-on-one discussion was that what do you want to see out of the Samsung Galaxy Note n so I have some top comments here that I wanted to just sort of name out I may not name everybody's name but you know what we're going through the comments and we want to talk about it a little bit CB mm a headphone jack and folds in half perfectly I think you think of a different phone there bro oh no we're about it yeah where I was gonna say we may hear about the said folding perfectly thing at the same event but we'll say that is true but you know what a lot of people were saying they want the headphone jack to remain because there are some ID there are some rumors that the headphone jack might be going away with that that is scary stuff it's weird because they've stuck to it for the longest time and to do it on the note line it's like oh man that would be scary because that's you know it's supposed to be the productivity King right it's supposed to be everything the S line is plus productivity plus the s-pen bigger display bigger battery it's supposed to be the bigger and to take something out when you have so much space oh man okay yeah we're almost there well we all will all find that very soon yeah indeed expandable memory I mean well expendable storage I feel like they should say but expensive storage so we have that as well that one came from milkman 635 let's see what else do we have now we had a lot of people also saying like thank you for bringing the full podcast back on YouTube you're welcome we heard you you know we want to bring back the full long long-form discussions like like you're seeing right now we're just focusing on one topic one general topic and then in the middle of it we're just going to respond to a few of the comments from last week so that's pretty much what we're gonna be looking for now TK as Provident out Dell asks we're not really asks but he says ninety hertz display how important is it for you to have a high refresh rate screen as clearly it is for this person so a year ago I probably would have said not so much mostly because that I had then we only had really the experience with the razor phone the first generation raised from but having had used the wrong phone I got to pick up the right phones every once in a while the one plus seven Pro and having used the brand new razor phone too as well as some of the other devices that are running higher refresh rate you know it's nice I like it and I appreciate having it is it important for me as far as just to be able to use the phone on a day-to-day probably not I would rather have the qHD definitely as a base model there get it in there in because anything above sixty Hertz right now we're still having a little bit of a hard time getting compatibility with things that work with it right because games will learn maybe maximum of 60 nothing's really ever going at 190 Hertz and the very few games are compatible to go 220 so it's always going to be for me I think I would say it's nice is it important not necessarily okay as far as the display is concerned where is it here slick cross one word no damn notch or hole punch you want a full squared screen first of all a square screen like a Instagram one by one I don't but I get what you're trying to say there we wanted just a full screen the hole punch apparently now this is something that I want to ask you as well TK notches or hole punches do you have an opinion either way but this particular note 10 apparently is gonna have the hole punch but it's dead center oh is it well it's time II didn't think so I thought so I so yeah the fact that you know with the S line they went on the whole going to the right and then of course we had the honor devices going on the left side knows that kind of the camp right there and then he had everybody else doing the whole pop-up mechanism so everybody's trying to go around being in the dead center and Samsung with the note at least with the renders that we're seeing we're actually I take that back I think it's pretty confirmed even with the I think that little preview image they had they had it looked like it was kind of centered I think it's nice I think it's okay I think we'll all get used to it it's it's pretty much something you just have to visually get used to I do have to say that having the camera sitting on the left or on the right like the punch hole cameras that we've had it gets a little confusing because most people assume the cameras in this in the area in the area where the note 10 is keeping it so I think it'll be okay I don't think it's too weird I think it's closer to what we had it in the past but without having the notch with it so no guys it's good fair enough I have a couple of things here okay so the last one that we'll talk about just for this last minute or so Lane or Ian Ian Wilkes I feel like this is gonna be a relic of generations past simply not gonna get it a medal back with a removable battery oh no no yeah no yeah we're don't think they would take the note ten back to the note for I bet that would be like a like yeah yeah a massive reverse in I'll grade the components of the note for and we release it exactly well because that's the last thing yeah right that was the last one the note five I think was the first one we got that we start getting them the glass back and then of course you know that we don't have a sixth in thing we went to seven and seven had the thing and then overall I think no no I wish I wish we had the removable battery but I think realistically yeah we should have embraced the sandwich and move on yeah indeed I think so so real quick what is like the one thing that you want the note tent to have before we get back to our topic so if there's one thing that I would like to have is you know productivity specific productivity applications an update to the decks I want to see decks be a little bit more desktop centric it better at as far as having the you know the desktop experience they did some teasers talking about connectivity continuity of connectivity between different devices I want to be able to enjoy having one device that I walk into the house and I can literally jump into watching something on the TV flip over go over to the office keep everything running so connectivity and I know that's not specific to the note line but it has to come out with it because that's the productivity King sure so you know s-pen optimizations of course better gestures better functionalities I was very happy with last year's Bluetooth long the the connectivity between the phone and the s-pen to initiation pictures that was just phenomenal that was amazing so there were actually a couple of comments saying like I want to see an S Pen so no dude what's going on like you know that aspect so moving away from face app we do have some other general privacy concerns and I think the main wave that I want to jump into this this sort of pivot on the topic is you you touched upon it a second ago given all of the different services that we subscribe to that we give our information to all the different social media platforms how much of how much control do we actually have over our data you mentioned before free is not totally free no no and that's the that's the scary part we trust that big corporations or big companies are able to safeguard our data the right way and we hear about leaks we hear about breaches we hear about attacks and the reality of the matter is it you know and I'm not talking to certainly just even images and so on because I think the example I was referring to there is Stephen basically you know Google photos I backup pictures my pictures to Google photos because I've had I've been I've been hit before where I had to lost the phone or I damage the phone where my data was on it's not like I always felt like the photos are like the number one thing you worry about there's those are memories that you can't recreate right other data may be duplicated but images are I don't know I really don't yeah you're right we don't know how much data mining is being done on our data how much of that information is being used to gather and baby built databases of so on of the content of information that you may not necessarily reference us they may not say you know TK's pictures or josh's pictures or whatever but it's using basically you know how many pictures on an average as a person take of cats how many pictures a person takes of their kid or buildings or cars or whatever that could that's valuable data to a search engine that we normally would not necessarily think about can we control them running that and that type of analysis and I don't think we can it's all on their servers its internal they may not be selling it but they're gathering data yeah and re are emails get scanned Dru true re-mose do a scan I mean if you look through any Gmail thing it's scanned your email that way it can give you smart composed replies exactly yeah yeah it's so everything is just being looked at and I wanted to go through a few different pieces of phenomena that seemed to happen I mean there's this past week and I was with some friends and they were complaining about how they could talk about anything everyone talks about this but they can talk about anything any product any food and any shoes they got shoes if they wanted to and then on Instagram the sponsored post is anything that they talked about so this happens to you I actually don't think it happens to me as much oh my god does it happen and it's the reason who its freaky is because it's something that I've talked about that I didn't even search for mm meaning I did not ask an assistant for it I did not the only thing I did was talk about it it was a weird conversation we were talking about beach umbrellas we weren't going to the beach I wasn't searching for beaches it was a and suddenly Instagram shows me a great sponsor post about a beach umbrella and I was like that's all specific it was weird I mean obviously I didn't say a brand or whatever but it was just the concept of it that beauty that it's listening it is listening there is no way for it to intuitively AI whatever figure out that at this point in time I would be interested in looking at beach umbrellas and so on and if for porn the reference that you know it's pretty hot lately we've been doing a lot of swim meets for my son and we needed some kind of shade and beach umbrellas are the only thing you can get that are big enough to cover you but yeah Instagram number one culprit there no other app I've seen that uses that it's pretty specific as far as the ads because I'm not in tainted into Facebook all the time so for me Instagram is the only app that does that and it's very consistent your friends I I don't find that that's actually happening to me very often especially about things I talk about things I search for yeah I think that's sort of a given at this point that when you act when you put in any term into any application it's going to start giving you more of that so if I click on if I click on let's say a backpack thing because I love bags it's kind of a weird obsession but I love like just fashion-forward things like that then more of those things will come up like I have an ad right here for barefoot shoes like I'm okay cool like I know that I search for that so I know that that's going to come up so I get that that's fine but yeah just things that you're talking about like I literally have a Google assistant I'm enabled device in front of me I use Google assistant quite often that first churches they but I use it to like control the stuff in my in my office and what are some other ones and yeah you did bring up Google photos as well and Google photos I think is one of the main culprits because not culprits but one of the main examples because guys we all have to remember that some of the key functions of some of the devices that we use literally need this data y TK Y is the pixel camera the best cloud processing my friends and that was exactly demonstrated on that the fact that the pixel 3 a does exactly very similar processing levels to what the pixel 3 and pixel 3 Excel do it is cloud processing that's how Google is in the software and updating process and that's this yeah no question you know perfect photos processing backup just even even just intuitively saying you remember this day from last year when you happen to be on vacation last year around the same time yeah all of those things it it's all on the cloud which is scary but that's usually what the main issue that we have yeah that's that's what it is so the question there is because Google tries to make it very clear that they're not necessarily trying to like keep a record of who you actually are so it's not like you're gonna go into a Google search type in somebody's name and they're like oh well we have a billion photos from that person no that's not really what's happening what's really happening in Google photos and this is what they've told us I'm not saying that this is exactly what the gospel truth is but what they're what they're trying to say is that they're just trying to recognize things and yes you look in the photo it's like that's a cat I don't care whose cat it is I don't care what kind of cat it is I just know it's a cat and if that's a person that's a person we know how to outline a person that's the point so I guess the reason why people got really skittish about the face app is because it's actually sort of taking very specific pieces of data about your face and then it's able to change it up with filters and whatnot because you can only do that when it has actually scanned your entire face that's exactly it's that little effective that happens on Facebook or on snapchat and again you know this happens everywhere where if you hold on to the screen to add like a fun filter you can see it plotting yeah yeah it's a facial scanning yet it's like a it attempts to do that and I think the other reason at which I I'm not sure how you feel about the bit specifically deep fake if you remember like all the whole publicity that we just went through the whole deep fake things and picture you know they think was a keen appeal that that thing with President Obama there was the whole they mimic the entire faced how do you know what's real what's not it's scary yes we're getting into a point where a lot of people are very worried about how they look and the fact that there's enough images of us out there that they can recreate things and they can make things look like them something else and I think that's why face app is being scrutinized a little bit more it's a free app people have access to it and people can do things to other people without even asking about so that's it's just how easy it is I think that's the problem because we do fake it requires a lot more processing and not everybody knows how to do it but an app it's so so easy so do you think how do you feel about this whole idea that we blurred the lines of privacy and of personal data for the sake of convenience because I think that's what we're kind of touching upon here is I give we're giving up some of our rights not really right or we're giving up some of our personal information for the sake of having an easier life like where do you land on that whole phenomena my thought it's a scary process it's a scary thing because we do this on a daily basis we and we do accept it so the fact that you do accept it starting off even just using a Google account you gave up some information you're using a Gmail you're having to use it it's a Google account I think the main thing would be is to exercise caution and to be selective as to what you put out there mm-hmm yes why we see some people that you know are a little bit more protective of their children when they're younger and not putting their pictures online not doing things like that because the reality of matter is you know the kids are too young to make a decision for themselves and their are not able iam not able even to say sorry I don't want to they may not or they may that's the thing they have to decide on but yeah we don't have a way of controlling it we accept it and I think we just need to exercise caution as to what we do post online you know like if you're posting an image that is something that is me more personal between you and your family and your friends keep it in that you know transfer it between two people use what you know more of an encrypted system don't post it on Instagram to share it with the rest of the family or on Facebook because you realize the moment it goes on they're the moments on on that service it's not yours anymore and yeah anybody in the world can see it unless you set the privacy but even then they have access to it so and you susceptible to any breaches so you have to accept whatever you put out it's a yeah I think that I think that's the main takeaway from this whole week okay so everyone's question you know how the media is always all about their sound bites and whatnot they always say the exact same thing where do we draw the line you know and all that and I get it I get that that's the question but I think that is really hard to these days especially in the in the age of social media like where do you draw the line when you have so many people who are just so happy and willing to jump on the bandwagon those pictures of themselves and everybody else and get onto this like fur allottee train that could could mean bad things down the line you know we don't realize it in the moment while we're doing it but by then maybe it's too late but that's sort of a dystopian way of looking at the world and I I I would actually I would actually tell people don't don't worry about it so much because even on the local news they're saying things like if you're a person at a high level like you're very important like a high high a person of high importance mm um it's probably best to have a phone for your personal stuff and a phone for your work stuff because god forbid you have face a butt and it actually is data mining no one has proven that yet by God for video face up on there it is data mining and then you have it on a phone that has like sensitive government materials and you know exactly yeah or yeah because then even if you're encrypted you it's access it gives you unencrypted when you when you unlock and if you install an application into a secured environment yeah you pretty much just gave it access that that is just big yeah no I totally agree I think of that I think that just harkens to I think what is the full general idea behind this past week which is just be more mindful you just have to be a lot more mindful about it like just even earlier I wanted us to be mindful about I wanted us to illustrate mindfulness by turning on airplane mode and by uninstalling the app the moment we did the one thing we wanted to do in and then putting it away like and I think everyone should I think I think that's what every one should be doing more often it's just being more mindful about it and try to look into permissions Android does a really good job of telling you what in applications accessing and what it needs and it's something that you don't feel like it's right you have to weigh you know the pros and cons is it worth taking that risk you know and potentially exposing some data that you don't want to the universe so just I think the dual phone is an option I mean we may we may have that luxury area but not everybody could things that people should be also aware of is that a lot of new phones now offer encrypted environments within their phone like I think you and I did that when we did the honor of u-20 a while back where when I hit when I was at when you're using the phone I created a separate space for you and that is it has separate data and from my environment so there's also things that you could do there so you can keep things more you know private and secure on your phone so look into all the features so a lot of the new phones have good good options for protection yeah for sure all right well I think we've exhausted not really exhausted I mean I'm sure there's so many things that people would want to know about yeah face happened about privacy and whatnot that's what I'm gonna go ahead and pass it off to all of you viewers and listeners listeners head over to the youtube version of the podcast and get to the comment sections because that's what we're going to be responding to what we want to ask you is how did two questions how did you feel about face app did you did you use it a lot what was your experience with it and after that how much do you actually think we are in control of our personal and data and privacy you can give stories you can give us what your thoughts are you can give us maybe your concerns I suppose I mean I know everyone is concerned about stuff like this these days and this is just the latest example of that so get into the comment sections on the YouTube version of the podcast to let us know how you feel and next week in our mid break we will respond to some of those comments all right I think that should pretty much do it so this is the new format of the PocketNow weekly I'm gonna start calling at the PocketNow podcast because honestly if topics like this come up in the middle of the week I would love to just get onto the camera get one other person with me and we have a discussion about those topics and whenever that might happen it might be on a different day so weekly it might be a moot point at this point it's just gonna be a discussion TK go ahead and let everybody know where they can find you well you know most if you guys don't know me or by now it's basically TKB on most social networks TKD sl8 6y5 on twitter and on instagram and of course on over at xda-developers i've been there for a long nine years there but yeah I'm around and always a pleasure to hang out with you Josh and you know have a nice little conversation over some topics you know popular tactics for sure these one-on-one discussions are gonna become more and more common so it's gonna be somebody talking with myself I am Joshua regard you know me I am at JV tech T all over the place I'm JV I love tech and I love to drink me some 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