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if we screw up in any way you could just edit it out yeah exactly I could just edit it out there's b-roll I can always survive so if I show them if I show embargo devices it's no prob it at just don't do that yeah I know that's why like you know when I did I don't don't ask me what's in my pocket now because everything's embargoed I was about to say yesterday when I did this test podcast using this format I I mentioned because I know bong and David Emmel were on that test podcast and I was like I feel like everything we can't talk about is just outside of frame like everyone be careful yeah hello everybody and welcome to the weekly brought to you by Paco now and next day developers recorded on this day it is Friday May 3rd now this particular episode may or may not come out on the exact same day that I just said or maybe the day after because we're trying something different with this episode of the weekly we have our usual group available for today's podcast but we're recording it in a different way you'll notice there's no live however this might be a YouTube premiere so of course you have a live chat still so you can still give us your thoughts in the live chat via the YouTube premiere and hopefully I'll be in there as well so we can all have a chat in any case let me go in and change our scene over here we have with us Brandon and Jaime I'll go ahead and let everybody just sort of check in a little bit Brandon we haven't seen you in a minute how are you doing brother hey guys hey would you happen to have any embargo devices on you talking about this it's - the landmines that we have the minefield we have for the next like two months is is crazy right now the question is not do we the question is how many exactly it's it's it it's fun but it's also harrowing which is why I mentioned right before we did this podcast I we have like an email thread leading up to the actual podcast recording in this case no longer live streaming I was like let's leave our devices somewhere else thank you just for safe because Brandon and I right before we started recording we mentioned that or I mentioned I want to have these particular devices away from me because I just I feel tempted I'm not gonna actually talk about it I have that professionality but I don't want to be tempted whatsoever I just don't want it to happen when I have enough things to think about now that we're recording this podcast using a combination of Skype I mean you can see these let me see if I can do that look like you see these I'm failing at the pointing these Skype low and low goes right here so we've finally moved away from Hangouts on there we're using Skype and I'm recording it using OBS so if anyone wants to see that peek behind the curtain that's what we're doing but in any case a Brandon any updates from you over the last couple of weeks cause I feel like we haven't seen you in a little bit and we're gonna ask you what's in your pocket now later and them in the mid break of the show yeah I'm just super excited for the next round of phones I'm going to New York to see you guys oh yeah for the upcoming oneplus launch super excited for that phone yeah so I mean we'll be hanging out yeah you were mention we're gonna talk about that also that's gonna be a heavy speculation week after all there are so many devices that are meant to be coming out over the next month or so that all of these rumors and leaks are happening best by doesn't know how to stock their shelves properly apparently but in any case before we get into all of that I want to check in with hi Mei how's it going hi me oh the last time I saw you we were in Spain so we saw each other three days ago feels like longer oh my god like it's been it's been jet lag II I you know I just sent out my itinerary for the honor trip mm-hmm for the honor event and I I'm dreading it I want to go because I'm really excited for that honor 20 particularly because of the rumors but the problem is it's a three-day trip and this is exactly what we did for Spain and that trip killed me like it was too brutal like it you don't have enough time to sleep on the way in and then you're gonna be snoozing all through the event and then you have to come back the next day when you were just starting to get accustomed to the time zone so it totally breaks you on the way back yeah but that's it and just just a disclaimer guys I know that all of you are already speculating over what devices are on the table and Barco devices aren't given to us more than like a week I would say so for those of you that are thinking that it's the obvious it's actually not there are more devices coming up exactly there are plenty plenty more we're hoping to get our hands on a couple of them but why don't we just go out some some of them some up like two of them I had no idea like no there were there are no rumors no speculations and out of the blue that company reaches out which is a very reputable company and they're like we've got something cool and then they invited us yesterday and I was like whoa okay but I was just totally not expecting it just totally not expecting it and so yeah so a lot of stuff is not even in rumor mill so why don't we just go ahead and get into it then I wanted to revisit like what the first thing that we're going to talk about as far as speculation is concerned has to deal with the the new category of smartphone that I feel everybody is talking about obviously because one of them broke recently um but apparently there are renders of the Motorola RAZR finally coming out and Jaime you were there obviously last week when we were talking with ISA my girlfriend and she made it a very important point about foldables she cares more about foldables that becomes smaller when you fold them rather than bigger and that looks like well that's what the Motorola RAZR might be we don't know much else other than that other than the renders are rather that box shot that kind of came up but I wanted to get some thoughts from you guys about this version of a foldable compared to the rest go for a branded I think I think this is the best possible version of a foldable I'll give you three reasons why the first one is that I know people don't make phone calls anymore but the flip phone is the most perfect shape to go against your face not only that but the waiting can be such that it's kind of towards the bottom because usually that's where the battery is in the screens in the top so it's nice and secure in the hand so the waiting and the the ergonomics and the the other reason is the the size you know it's it's so small when you fold it down you can have a truly larger device in your pocket versus you know the galaxy fold and the qua we made X which condensed and folded over are still quite big and then with this company folding form-factor you still get all of the advantages of two screens you get a smaller glance and go screen that you can use to just look at actionable information and hopefully it's a touchscreen on the outside so you can you know send a little text with your thumb and then when you're ready to sit down and go deeper into an experience you can open it up so I think the razor is the best possible folding form factor in my opinion is it almost surprised and after is it almost surprising to you guys that motorola like after what we've seen with the z series and i mean i think the g series is still a pretty beloved like range line is that motorola could actually do something that is this exciting for the it's been a while right I listen I I hope so I wish and if not moto somebody please pull it off because like I always looked looking at the renders it doesn't look like the original razor it looks like the second razor that not even this the there was a b3 in the v3 I and then came another razor version which I don't remember the number right now but it was a taller phone and was like sleeker it was a beautiful device I'm trying to remember what what mote model was that the crazier the K razor no because that was that was a smaller version actually I actually had that create that Cruiser or whatever whatever all right all right that was the k1 the Motorola k1 I had that one it was probably one of my favorite phones of all time and it was like that phone only bigger and I loved that it was gorgeous and so um I really want that form factor because I like for me it's a dude it was just so cool to get a phone call I do make phone calls Brandon sorry and you know I I'm old enough to make phone calls and so I would love just pulling my phone out and swap immediately that like effect it was so cool it provided that cool factor to phones back and then came and then we hear when you're done the COFF you slam that son of a gun cause like you're done your business yeah it's a mic drop that's the reason why the me mix three is my office phone whenever I'm using like something to either do a teleprompter or to control my cameras I use a mimic story because snap snap snaps then hey okay and so here's the thing the good thing about this form factor is that it's in technology for those of you concerned that the bees were platted that this is a plastic screen well actually the screens back then were plastic screens that's all phones had back then and so it's already proven that you can put enough a plastic screen and that nothing will happen to it it'll actually protect it even more I just I have one major concern I think it was on XDA that it was leaked the specifications for this phone and it the specifications looked like those of a SmartWatch guys like it didn't look like something crazy it didn't look like something amazing and so that's my concern right now like are we going to truly pay $1500 which is the rumored price which nobody's gonna pay but all right a hefty price tag for under up for an under spec device only because you're getting that foldable form factor I do think that I mean if the specifications are decidedly mid-range 1500 is way too much to ask it's almost putting too much emphasis on the form factor just because it's different than the performance itself so that is a bummer to hear that the rumor is $1500 I don't know Brandon like would you okay so would you pay that much for a flagship phone like the Galaxy fold that has this form factor or would you pay 1500 for like a foldable that doesn't have super high specs well you know the galaxy phone needs to have such good specifications because it's built around you know 3-way 4-way eight way multitasking whereas the the Motorola RAZR like maybe inside it's just a regular Android phone and don't forget modern Android runs so well with specifications that aren't the latest in the greatest like you can get like a Snapdragon 600 series three gigs of ram and light software and it it hums it's really good at this point it hums it hums but then you have to remember the limitations of going to that because the ISP is determined by the processor so unless you have a Snapdragon 680 which was the new one that was announced in sixty well we were in 660 the new one it was either that no it wasn't the 660 it's a 680 something and the seven and or was it the the other league the gaming one eyford the 7:30 yeah unless you got Lisa gave me yeah yeah unless you have these processors that have a better ISP because the ISP is that you can have the best Sony sensor you've got but if you've got a snapdragon 430 guys sorry the camera won't perform regardless of the of the optics that you have and so that is that that is my concern that you're gonna pay so much money for a trashy camera and for an experience that obviously nobody's gonna be gaming on that phone so I do find myself to be the niche for the phone cuz I really don't care about that so I I'm really enthusiastic about it so long as they give me something if they give me like the Snapdragon 710 on that thing I'm down okay I'm in because that also has the better ISP yeah well hopefully that is the case unless somehow Motorola is gonna try to like cut costs on because it can't it can't be cheap to create this form factor in the first place no and and the battery size is probably the biggest concern think about how big the battery is gonna have to be yeah that's true it might be a bit thicker than what we're seeing because that render didn't really show too much in terms of like thee know the the thickness of this phone all it really showed is that like that screen will come down and even then it might not be a flush fold it might have that little isn't that what the Galaxy fold had words just like that little bit of give where it wasn't fully flat onto itself yeah could be so yeah I mean it's it's it's exciting to see that foldables can have different form factors within its own category though like I think that's great we have of course the made X which folds outward to itself same thing with the xiaomi fold whatever that might end up being called and then of course a galaxy fault so now Motorola is gonna try to get in on it can you imagine though if like unfolded you could also put a moto mod on the back oh well dude hey so the if you remember know you probably don't you were too young Josh but the star tech the oh the start that was my family's first phone I remember case ooh okay so the starts act 7760 I do remember that number because I owned one had pins at the back and you can snap like a sort of a PDA module to it hmm yeah I mean why not yeah definitely all right so let's see what are some other ones that we were that we had em I am I am I the only one that feels that the best approach for a foldable is the modular option that the v50 is bringing with that secondary screen that you can snap on to it whenever you need it and just take it off whenever you don't well what's funny of you is that that's not technically a foldable phone it's a foldable case that has a screen on it right yeah right so whenever you need a larger display it's a case you you snap on to it it becomes a modular yeah you don't have to deal with the with the hassle all the time and you and it's optional you'd have to pay top money for you pay it only if you want it mmm that's true Brendon did you see that one I mean I did a video for a pocket now obviously so you probably saw that video but like the the case is a second screen and then it just folds onto itself it's a thick piece of like kit for sure but how do you feel about that version of a foldable phone Brendon I think it's interesting if you have the accessory at the right time when you need it well for for people who might have it it might be all the time so you're just gonna have this huge bulge in your in your jeans yeah yeah it's just ads I think unnecessary thickness unless you're okay with the remember those curves because when we have our foldable phones that we end up reviewing wherever we might be reviewing them those two terms bulge in your pants unnecessary thickness I like that one unnecessary we do have a number of other devices to talk about again rumor speculation it's a spec week as well we're caught speculation week you mentioned a little bit earlier Jaime about the honor 20 and there were there was a render that was starting to make some circulation out there yeah the phone itself I mean okay the the relationship between honor and huawei is very storied there are different there are different perspectives on it even from haul off even from honnor themselves but when you take a look at this particular render this phone looks a lot like the p30 pro don't you think it looks it looks a lot like the p30 pro and that's actually a good thing because if you if you've noticed I mean what is the price difference between a huawei phone an honor phone what's the difference between what you get you had the experience of the view 20 I mean you were impressed by that phone and so I think that the coolest selling point about honor is the price tag I mean you are getting a huawei top level experience without having to pay for it there are some compromises like water resistance like you know the fact that there's no wireless charging etc etc I haven't really seen the specs of the honor 20 completely all I've heard is about the cameras but I am looking forward to a device with you know with all all those specifications and everything and the price that'll make it more accessible because the technology is really cool I really love my p30 Pro I posted about it on Instagram yesterday I really enjoyed using it for for some things there's there a couple of little things I don't like but I don't know I feel that that would be a great approach if they would just continue that you know it's been a trend actually I think that the honor time look like the p20 if you remember mmhmm yeah that is true I think not that not like the p20 Pro so if you saw the renders it looks like this Pete went bid like this honor 20 looks like the p30 Pro not to be thirty but even if it did if you think about it the sleeper hit for Huawei is the p30 not the p30 Pro because you get literally a p20 Pro in another packaging and you get the ryy B sub pixel array and everything and I'll tell you this much I honestly I don't really like the 5x optical zoom much I feel it's too much it's 100 and it's 120 millimeters it's crazy like for street photography I prefer 3x or I would really like if there were like steps in the middle so even if that honor 20 is a piece 30 it would still be a great phone yeah how far how far is too much for you as far as oome is concerned like when does it go like when does it go from though it likes being too little to being a creeper camera no it's it's it's not that it's too much it's just I you know in my feedback I was like there needs to be steps like I don't want it to jump directly to five oh I see I don't want it to jump directly to five or jump to ten I want it to go one two three four like two halves to these because for me I used 2 X optical zoom all the time like if I'm at a tree like if I'm at an event 2 X is like the ideal for me if I'm street photography 3 X is the ideal for me I rarely use 5 X but you but it's cool to have it you know I just I rarely do mmm it's cool to have and especially under ideal circumstances because I still find that like even if your hand is steady and it's a really brightly lit shot it still comes out soft just I think the limitation of really yeah you're like dude look at my Instagram pic from like a week ago of the Eiffel Tower it looks like a postcard it looks like a postcard I was like even whe when you and this is the beauty about a telephoto people are always like yeah the zoom you don't really care about it street photography the crop is ideal for street photography and every time that I use the the optical crop from Huawei phones like the thing is you don't see it immediately when you're taking the photo Bo and you see the results you're like damn that was my response I was like whoa okay Brendan did you get burnt weren't you supposed to be getting a P 30 or a p3 Pro from the pool like a little while back um I didn't from the pool but TK let me borrow his so I use I use it for like a week and a half what I was going to say about honor is that the reason I like honor is because you get the best of Huawei six to twelve months later and for 20 the 50% less and I think I think that's awesome and it's um you know with the with the honor 20 it looks like we're getting that same kind of effect where we're getting a device like the P 30 pro just you know it's been a while what like 10 months and something like that and yeah and so you're getting it later and it's going to be you know significantly less expensive so you get that great camera technology it's not as good when you when you look at the pictures later but you know honor does a great job at taking the the quality and technology of Huawei and putting it to a less expensive package yeah I mean you may say I'm excited nah now tell me something Josh did you ever use it with and auto wit your p30 Pro no not yet and if I'm honest I haven't used a p30 Pro enough yet because I'm going through the queue right now and obviously I've been on sort of a a kick of like gaming phones recently so I'm finishing the black shark to review for both PocketNow and my own channel so that's what I've been using the most recently but once I'm done this weekend with the Q that I have in front of me the p3 Pro is gonna be like my focus so so here's the thing here's the thing I mean the problem with with always approach to - you know I forget there emui which is the magic UI for honor is just how aggressive it is about killing apps Michael Fisher mentioned that in his review it is so aggressive that if you're using Android auto and you're using navigation and you're you you're playing music on Spotify if I tell the Google assistant which would be a third application to make a phone call it won't make it like it will literally tell you yes calling this number mobile and boom it starts making the call and then it can't and then it just kills the call it kills the call and that goes back to navigation it's so weird huh it is so weird it's that aggressive about killing absence Oh multitasking on a huawei phone like don't get me wrong the battery life is like I think I use my P 30 Pro yesterday all day I end of the day at like 78 percent 75% it was like the only phone that I was using it's crazy good but I would like a little more granularity and be like you know what let me keep at least 5 apps running man come on yeah this Ram so like why would it be so aggressive about yelling things right well it's it's it's not just about the RAM it's each of these applications running in the background kills battery you know that's fair I guess it does lead to some pretty awesome battery life but you're right it is it can it can mess with the usage upon the daily and because I make phone calls phone calls you know especially in an auto yeah I can't use my phone for anything else yeah indeed okay so before we get into the one that I'm going that the device that I want to like actually talk a little bit more at length about because we're gonna get a little bit existential we're gonna revisit an earlier phone because apparently we're going a new version of it coming up soon I do want to talk a little bit like the oneplus event is so close that we'd I don't think we need to talk at length about the specs and the rumors and one app because it's gonna happen very soon so I do know though that Brandon you are super excited for this upcoming one I mean we all love oneplus we all love like the attendants of one plus oxygen OS simplicity minimalism whatever but I just wanted to give Brandon the the floor a little bit because you had expressed that you're so excited for this upcoming one plus seven or whatever the case may be I'm so excited for the next one plus phone if the rumors are to be believed you know I've been waiting since the razor phone one for another company to do a higher refresh screen and it sounds like the one plus seven will have a higher refresh screen I just I'm so excited for this phone guys I use my one plus sixty every time I go back to it I'm like this phone is so fast it's crazy everything is instantaneous scrolling is fast the hardware's fantastic and they they figured out the camera like every generation the cameras got significantly better it started subpar with back in like you know the the the predecessor to the five what was that the out the three T and the three cameras weren't that good really high-quality metal build and then we started to see some real improvements in the five the five T the six the sixty so for me one plus phones are the ultimate the cameras still not there yet a hundred percent but I think they're getting there and the rumors about this year being nearly bezel this high refresh screen and they're finally moving beyond it sounds like the the kind of fhd to a higher resolution display it's just gonna be bananas I can't wait I'm so excited yeah do you have like a wish like oh well you were you already going through your wish list here but like as far as rumored features or concerns like we're seeing a lot of sliding / motorized type cameras and whatnot does that mean there's that is that a feature that matters to you so much Brandon for me I don't take that many selfies so to kind of tuck that away I think is awesome wish list two things wireless charging and dual stereo speakers I can't imagine that's that did wire wireless charging and dual stereo speakers hmm all right I actually don't use while you're charging as often as people like make it out to be I know it's kind of a hot topic these days especially when it depends on how it depends on how many wireless chargers you have and how often you need it I I like wireless charging on devices like the p30 Pro because you rarely need to charge it so I literally just place it on the pad at night okay fair and for me that's crazy convenient you know if the device has good battery life and I could just place it on the pad when I go to sleep and I have to be worrying about that then for me wireless charging is valuable but every other way it's like me yeah the one the only thing that I really need to wireless charge is this thing here is this amber mug because I wanted to buy one of those things man I was like 80 bucks for a mug never mind yeah it is it's a level of convenience that is pricey and it's it's definitely a luxury so I'm bougie today this is my air pots let's put it that way you guys say something Brendon yeah I was gonna say wireless charging has gotten more important to me for in the last like two years from one reason and that's I phone now that the newer iPhones wirelessly charge my dad has a wireless charger he never did before when I go to his house my mom has one my wife uses one on her iPhone 8 and just like now that the iPhone does wireless charging I want my phone have wireless charging because now people have wireless charging pads I'm over their house I need a quick top-up they have one out on the counter but now we're charging wirelessly I love it is it seem it seems like you're doing the Lord's work because you're actually your tech background in lifestyles actually like proliferating in your family which is it's not easy to do for me wireless charging is valuable when you do things like the pixel stand where you place it on the pad it charges your product faster and then it becomes a Google home many pretty much yeah that for me I wish every phone did it I don't know why Apple doesn't do it with Siri I don't know every like by now the a word which I sadly have an echo right in front of me so I can't say it but right now with with the a integration on a lot of mobile products I I would like jump on that quickly you know use your wireless charging stand and turn your phone into another because in the end for them the business is not really to sell the speakers this the businesses for them to drive the content consumption okay yeah that's very I think just as far as the the speculation is concerned on the one plus seven or whatever the case for me I I do agree with you Brandon that high refresh rate screens are still somewhat underrated and I think that it's something we should start seeing in more and more phones so I would be excited for that if that is indeed the case but the question but the question is what other device I mean oneplus has been using all EDS and what other device has an OLED with high refresh rate it's only been done in LCDs unless did the ROG phone bring it oh that's a good question I can't remember off the top of my head I mean yeah you can look at it I think I think the ROG phone is probably the only other phone that assuming that it does come with that otherwise does if the rumors are true and we're getting high refresh rate does it mean that we're getting an LCD on this phone is a question that is that's one of my concerns yeah I agree okay well while you while you look at of Jaime and also I'm gonna ask Brandon this question first so that you can navigate the minefield a little bit easier Brandon our recurring segment on this on this podcast you can say whatever it is it doesn't actually have to be in your pocket but what is in your pocket now Brandon in my pocket now is the galaxy s 10 plus but I've been switching phones like once a week lately tonight when I get home I am gonna spend the weekend with the iPhone 10s because it's just been a while since I used an iPhone and like I feel like I feel like it's kind of my obligation to use different products and I don't feel at home on the iPhone anymore the notification system just sucks so bad it just it's just pair Wise's me but really yeah it's just bad it's so bad just it still has this problem well whatever all right so I'm gonna switch the ice how many what are you talking about at least notifications on the iPhone or chronological that will that's one of the things that pisses me off about Android it's like I'm like why are you putting text messages at the top nobody texts now we use whatsapp like we use other things and then I have to be like pulling the drop down to the bottom I just I want to know my phone just vibrated I want to know why it vibrated right now which is it should be at the top why do I have to put up with that sort of priority or if anything allow me to choose in what priority my notifications are shown so for me actually iPhones are like if my phone ever bright brights and I have four phones on the table the phone that I'll pick up is the iPhone you know that's the phone I'll pick up you know what I have to I have to kind of agree because like being in a long-distance relationship legislate that way I know that when a messenger icon shows up in the notification area that it's most likely my girlfriend but then when I bring down the notification drop-down I got a scroll past all the other I have never thought about that you just broke some glass I mean listen and and so if somebody asked me wait a second so you're a notification hoarder no it's not that I live under a system that's called it used to be called fat I don't remember what but it's literally if I'm not ready to act on something because I'm busy or anything I will leave it there because it'll still remind me later it's the whole point of a notification center the fact that you don't have to act on things immediately until you can and so what I at least want is to know in what order things came in and so I know that the first things that came in are the things at the bottom and the ones that just arrived that are the things at the top and so it's that stupid basic thing I can't wait for I just want the option just give me the option just like alphabetical order in your in your in your app tray oh yeah just give me an order of arrival and I'll be a happy man that's it oh and I just checked our og phone here by the way it is 90 Hertz you know obviously it's got insane bezels which the rumors of the sixth of the 60 of the seven are that it doesn't have many bezels you know it's literally is it just me or does it look like the like the got the Oppo what do you have it here no not well I haven't seen the Reno I mean the find X oh yeah yeah I mean that would make sense the Reno and the find X are quite similar by the way so but I mean isn't that sort of the running joke though is that whenever Oppo comes out with something you can expect oneplus to follow suit well but that's the thing it's like the case of Huawei and honor I I like that I was in the in I was in a press meeting with Oppo 4 m WC and their head of engineering you know I I just I find that funny when the when the press asked questions that are just like this that are probably so obvious and so their response is well we're also an OD em we make certain designs we have customers like oneplus like vivo they will pick the designs they want and we will build their phone ODMs it exists like you've seen certain and the guy was like to a certain degree I think he was annoyed he's like you've seen you've seen headphones that have a specific design and you find like five brands come up with that their branding on those headphones that look like this specifically ODMs we are a business we've been in this business for two decades yeah we don't you know so one plus is a customer vivo is a customer real me now as a customer as well get used to it yeah oh that ROG phone and that find X I you just popped out is that your what is in your pocket now no no my pocket now is Garmin Phoenix five plus now that I've found a metallic now that I found a metallic band for it but that that is about to change that is about to change I just I don't know if I want to this is not under embargo by the way I just haven't had a time to get to it what is that Nubia Alpha oh I didn't recognize the logo so so I'm gonna make an ID TV video on this de unboxing it nights I haven't not had the time to play with this but and I'm not even sure if I'm willing to use it but I'll give it a try they told me they would reach out to me to tell me how to connect it because if you remember the idea of this product is for it to be a phone yes really a wearable yeah so that's gonna be weird okay fair enough you know it's funny you you you just brought out a Nubia product I should be using it right now I have used it a little bit but Nubia actually reached out to me as well and they send me the red magic Mars so oh they reached out to me too but they haven't sent it oh well I went ahead and got it because I'm on like I said I'm on a kick of gaming phones recently so I wanted to try it out much like the ROG phone it has the triggers on the on the corners when you're holding in Lance case but yeah as far as why it's in my pocket now it's actually what's on my finger at the moment I did get another product that again like the Q is getting so large these days but just a quick question this is not a spoiler but I just wanted to reference did you guys watch endgame already not yet not yet okay this is a line from that yet and and and Diego is asking me to not watch it until he comes since Diego's landing here on Tuesday but I'm not back from IO until like Saturday so I can't watch endgame until next week oh no how about you Brandon III feel like silently not telling him that I already watched and acting stupid when I go well that's documented proof right there's hopefully Diego's not watching this is uh this is a line from endgame it's not a spoiler but it's a line from endgame I just want to say I am inevitable so it looks like I'm trying to make the tech gauntlet right here because I have the order in but this is an old an old buddy right here the or the Ori you guys know the Ori I mean they're already a couple of originals out it's what I would never be caught dead wearing that I'll tell you that so what we have here is it's basically a bone conduction it's like little ring right so what the whole idea is that it actually reverberates the bone conduction technology through your finger and if you go like this you can actually hear what's coming from the phone via bluetooth audio so you got you take calls litter like this if you wanted to but it's meant to be more of a short form audio product so if you want it to like press this button over on the side and then talk to a Google assistant it can do that you can also read back your messages and whatnot and I saw these guys when they were in there like crowdfunding phase or rather their pre-order phase maybe as a better way to put it two years ago at Computex so they're finally out and there are a couple of reviews out there mr. Mobil himself has done a review on it and man that lucky that lucky full man like he not only got a review unit straight from Orry it had his name on the bottom portion of it they laser exes mr. Mobil on the bottom of the order that is so Michael fish been doing reviews on robots that wouldn't I get those pitches and I'm like man and then out of the blue boob of Michael Fisher oh my god this is so Fischer this is so Michael III kind of like back in my family all my my mom was using a shot glass to like make some drinks for the family and I looked at the shot glass in her hand and it was the mr. Mobil shot glass I was like you put that down right now because I brought it back from CES okay so let's go ahead and get into the final device as far as our speculation week is concerned I'm gonna start this off like okay here's here's how I want to start this off because I feel like it's a very printing question with all the leaks and the rumors and specs speculation that's coming out do we need honest question do we need another pixel that's my question right why don't we start with okay so Jaime just said no but Brandon I haven't heard from you in a minute like how much have you used the pixel 3 and how would you feel about a new version of the pixel 3 coming out that is yes more affordable but it in general the question is do we need another pixel I've I have the pixel 3 and the pixel 3 XL and every time I need my best camera unless I'm taking a lot of video it's always the pixel 3 and or pixel 3xl and I think there's a hundred it's a hundred percent unanimous across the entire tech community that the best camera phone ever to exist is the pixel three so if somebody wants to have the best possible photo taking experience but they don't want to pay these ridiculous pixel three pixel 3xl prices I think there's a spot in the market for a less expensive pixel 3 a pixel 3 XL that offer that same incredible camera at a much more affordable price well here's here's my follow a question then like if the pixel 3 has been out for a number of months by now and if you actually wanted to have that camera by now wouldn't you already have a pixel 3 you know what I mean like or a pixel 2 XL fair yeah I have or a pixel 2 I just listen I my opinion with the pixel is like listen the solution for when you're not doing well is not to do more of the same thing that is not the solution so doing a less expensive version of a phone that didn't do well is not a good idea so there there's one reason why this phone is important the main one being the cot that the topic that we were discussing about the ISP and the processor you need a powerful powerful processor for the isp to be a specific way in order to be able to take that photos so I do trust in Google and coming up with a new computational trick that will make even cheap processors and cheap ISPs get a better job done so I think it'd do it in the cloud and you know yeah yeah so I think that this phone matters I do I'm not saying it doesn't it would be great to get better photography in the mid to low range my problem is when you know the design of the pixel wasn't great it my god the screen like I remember when I did that review I'm like I really want to love this phone and then there were cases where the phone took better photos than the iPhone and then everything else but because the screen was so bad it wasn't until I pulled them into the computer that I noticed that other than that I ended up posting the photo from the other phone just because it looked better and it wasn't because of the that it took better quality was just a screen on the iPhone was significantly better or the screen on the Galaxy was significantly better not even so much yet no wait don't even get me started about that people are people are like we want 18 by 9 video I'm like have you ever used the pixel mmm have you ever used the pixel 3 Excel and tried to watch 18 by 9 video on that and notice that you can't zoom in and out of that can you imagine what it's like for us to put all the effort into composing a shot for you to have that covered by literally half of Long Island City and the size of that knob it's just like like that and then you know other things like the battery life on the pixel 3 Excel wasn't great it takes forever for the camera to launch like I love that Marquez did a video about that specifically when he was where he was like you know come on guys your Google like everything that's made a pixel what made the original pixel possible the ugliest film that could ever be launched but a great camera and a snappy UI a insane battery like the small the original small pixel had insane battery life it was great and so why can't we remain in the basics why can't we get the basics right the camera is the most important thing the battery is the most important thing if you're gonna tell me that the software experience is great but you're still gonna give me an ugly phone that's fine we can work towards that so long as the experience like if you grab any one less phone I dare you to grab a 1+5 not even the the 60 grab the five and play with with oxygen OS and compared that to the pixel URI on the pixel 3 Excel and you'll notice that the oneplus 5 performs better hmm I just noticed what I just noticed there's a bit of a tangent but I made sure it is very is very appropriate for this rant he just went on happen sci-fi for construction but you know it's true though like so to get you kind of take on that Brendan like do you agree with a lot of what I am is saying because if the pixel 3 and the pixel 3 Excel are already sort of subpar in the flagship game what we're about to get in what is basically going to be called the pixel 3 a and the 3 Axl are lower specs that might make those problems worse worse yeah definitely the worst part of pixel devices besides they're kind of boring design is that they get significantly slower over time I don't want to say as bad as a Samsung phone you know older generation but like it's pretty sad if you pick up like a pixel three pixel three XL that's like you know what was launched in November or something so it's really not that old and it just it lags the camera takes forever to launch and that's another reason oneplus phones are awesome estate that doesn't happen at all even like an old phone like the five yeah yeah and since I feel the value proposition of the original pixel has been lost it just it has been completely lost and so unless Google is willing to go back to its roots just give me I don't care like I listen all I could think of is the experience we have with the pixel slate where these are good ideas I'm not saying they're bad ideas and the pixel 3 Excel from its back is gorgeous I love the phone and white though the white barring that they gave me I love looking at that phone from its back I despise looking at it from the front I'm like where are your engineers dammit like you're telling me that it like and don't get me wrong I love that dual camera that wide-angle selfie camera for me like the pixel 3 excel is the selfie phone for me yeah I dropped like 30 pounds every time I take a photo with that thing so it's a crowd-pleaser for girls definitely but it's just it's just one of those things where it's like god man like I I get that these things are good and I get that I get free photos it's just it's not any better there was a time when it was uglier than anything else and it was better now it's not now when you've got you know I get it it's it's a good camera man but when you use the you use the p30 Pro or then even the mate 20 Pro it's like you know there are cases where you do get better dynamic range from the pixel sure Derek history even get better dynamic range from the iPhone but everything else man video recording is trash like the quality is good but the audio is terrible yes and so it's like what so what is the what is like that phone that I always carry I have to carry it because it's my microphone but for for war but if I had to make like a video like when I was in them in the mate X when I did that made X hands-on I was right there at night run the mill I need to get a video done and I was not carrying a camera I had a mate 20 Pro in one pocket an iPhone 10 s in the other I pulled out the iPhone mmm fair do you guys do you guys think it's possible this is kind of weird but back when we found out that Google was making its own hardware we were like that's strange why would Google do that - they might potentially harm all of their partners do you think it's possible in any world that Google makes their pixel phones to have poor video recording weird designs weird screens and not-so-good audio in order to make a slightly subpar product so that people criticize it and Samsung still can sell lots of phones and while we consider is that possible or is that crazy not when they invested 2 billion dollars at HTC that was what I was about to say like back when back when hardware was becoming a focus for Google and the Nexus line and all that stuff I would agree with you Renan if they did not partner up with said companies that you know HTC in the same case with smartwatches they did the same with hardware with with fossil I mean right now it's clear which is the most successful company from an economical standpoint it's Apple what this app will do that's special they own the whole banana and so Google gives out om Sando DMS the Liberty to do with Android whatever they want but it's like the the purpose of the Nexus in its time and the pixel later was you know what OMS do whatever you want dear consumers if you want Android the way we envision that here it is and so it's like the true Android with no nothing else or do you want the variants I mean you can pick it's a free market in the markets big enough for everybody and so I feel that I know I feel that Google wants to compete but I just my god like they really they really need to try harder and you know part of the rumors are that they have three design teams working on the next on the next pixel you know I don't care if you keep the back guys just fix the damn front just think about it it says this is its this is one of those things where it's like it's like editing video if you know I think that Apple with their MacBook Pro lineup does it best or Apple with their iPad pro lineup does it best if the gateway to this software is the screen you better give me a kick-ass screen that that's just the way it is the screen is everything everything should be secondary but the experience of what you're doing when you're using a product day in day out you're gonna be looking at the photos during the yeah you're gonna take a couple of photos during the day that's fine I don't care I want an awesome display it has to be awesome it can't be subpar and so that's my other question 'epic sylth r EA r we can I'd like if they're flagships don't have a good screen what are what what what are we gonna get in those like mid Rangers and I'm already I'm already like dreading it like it's just gonna be a sticker they're just gonna give up from a sticker it's gonna be a Gameboy screen I don't know man I so you know does the price not do anything for you though the fact that you can have it's 399 go buy yourself a poco phone you'll be better with whoo that's not a bad do you know what you're right that is true I did not think about that in the moment and it's stock Android man I mean and so that's the thing it's too little too late it would have been great if they would have launched it initially and and so yesterday I covered in the daily I was like oh my God if they priced this thing at $2.99 that'd be good $2.99 you know for for a Snapdragon 600 processor and then there are all their bells and whistles I mean Google really if Google needs ticket wants to compete they need to go back to their Nexus time when they were like our business is to sell software we don't make money out of the hardware and so for them selling the the Nexus devices were just selling a terminal which Amazon does is with their speakers so that's the that's the market and they do it with their tablets they need to stop worrying about how much money they make Amazon does it as well if you think about it Google is the company that is in the position to do this that other companies don't Samsung doesn't control the App Store they don't make a cut they don't make an economical cut out the AppStore none of these companies do the only company that makes money out of the App Store is Google from the percentage that they get from developers so if there's one company that should be shell selling as a cheap meaning an inexpensive high-quality device it's Google they want Google to go by way of Xiaomi then yes yes Apple well Apple doesn't do it but Xiaomi does it Amazon does it these are the companies that are succeeding right now the companies that are forgetting about the hardware come on cable companies have done it forever they give you the router like they give you everything all I have to do is pay for the bill okay that's fair Brendan any thoughts on that I think Jaime just did a mic drop so I think it did a great job I think these are all very valid points and Ike just from the consumer like a user end standpoint I think the one thing that I would love to see from like whatever the next pixel is not that we're going through the wishlist of what the pixel four would be but I mean honestly like maybe we can look that far ahead because the processing that Google has introduced what the pixel is top notch it is great - Brandon to your point like it is the camera that you can reach for and you can expect results that will actually come out of that phone I just wish that there was more to the camera experience I mean one of the reasons why we still reach for the LG's and the Samsung's and the other phones of the world is because there's a wide angle there's a zoom there's all this there's all that on pixels right now there's only that one lens and I think the the killer app in this case would be a mixture of the software processing and hardware options and I think that's what's missing the most I remember I remember when when by the grace of God I was able to go to the the pixel events under like the Joshua Vergara name like he didn't even say any other brand and I still look back very fondly on that on that event and I remember becoming so excited on the show floor or rather on the experience center floor where I saw that there was there was that wide angle on the front and I was super excited then I realized it's not a vloggers phone because the audio sucks there would have been great if there was a wide angle on the back - and that's your right that's the that's where the fundamental sort of fall apart and barren wine like I have to like disclaimer Google is firing me right now - Google so this is the funny part when when readers are like yeah you're being paid by these brands no man you know one of the things that I love about working with Google is they actually love feedback oneplus loves feedback you know these companies they are willing to hear what you have to say whether they do it or not you know it's it's another thing it's just don't get me wrong I'm not saying I'm not trying to trash the pixel I'm saying that it's a terrible phone it's not it's just very hard for me to sit here and pick that phone over every other at a time when phones have gotten so good yeah yeah and I think Joshua used the word fundamentals I think that's like that's such an operative term here like in a lot of cases pixels missed the fundamentals and that's just like the little things when you're using it that you miss mmm so you don't think that okay so Brendon your endorsement of the camera and whatnot and like you said if if this makes it more available to more people because it's more affordable than that's great would you actually recommend a three a a three Axl to somebody who wants a good camera but an affordable phone underneath it all there is a lot of competition at that price point still like the pro phone and the shou motorola the Moto Z the Z it sorry sorry the Z the the the G G the G limey the G and then you have the Xiaomi me9 and some honor phones I'm not sure it depends if they get those fundamentals right if the fundamentals are right and the cameras still you know killer then yeah I would recommend that phone although I gotta say most of the time when people ask me what phone to get I say just get in - oh I mean especially when it's like an older person or someone that doesn't care about technology and despair about it's just like you'll be happy with the iPhone just get an iPhone that's very yeah and you know what I will admit that with the with the detective Pikachu movie coming out like very soon it's got me looking at that iPhone 10 or yellow right now I'm kind of intuitive I'm kind of into it at the moment and also there was a case manufacturer that's making like Pokemon cases I kind of looked at them I'm not gonna lie but yeah I kind of see where you're coming from with that because like the the iPhone line is sort of like that de-facto for somebody that wants something that is easy to use but they're not affordable I think that's the reason why I wanted to ask like that question because 400 I like that price point personally like I think it's a good price I could buy a pixel with those capabilities hopefully at $400 true true you know it's it's it's it's a matter of taste man I I can't wait to see I just I'm not I'm I don't feel that the hardware of the pixel 3xl warrants its price so I hope that I don't have that same feeling about the three a yeah that's fair and also like we didn't really go through any of the supposed specifications of the three and the three Axl but you know it's you can you can find all of that in stories over on Pocket now and I'm sure you're seeing a lot of speculation on it already anyway across YouTube but I think for yeah I think that for the most part should do it I mean we just got done recording our first episode of a new general format for the podcast so look at that so that's really good so thank you guys so much for thank you first of all the audience for indulging us as we kind of experiment with the show of course thank you to the guest Jaime and Brandon I'm gonna go ahead and go through our outro and you'll be able to hear where you can follow them all over the place actually now that I said that I shall let you guys say that I'm a where can everybody follow you oh my god Instagram hey Matt we better that's it it's been great favorite yeah he's been doing some really awesome photos on there and if you haven't seen that p30 pro photo from Paris that's that's a highlight for sure alright Brandon where can everybody find you as well my Instagram is private cuz I post pictures of my kids but my twitter my twitter is at Brandon minimun mm-hmm that Brandon mean man I am of course found add JV Tech T you know me I'm JV I love tech and as you've been seeing me do so on this episode I'd love to drink me some tea alright so on that note that is it for the weekly our theme music is bloom by Minerva courtesy of a royalty-free license with agro flux you can learn more in the episodes description we already talked about our personal handles but PocketNow is found at pocket now on twitter facebook Instagram and YouTube in English and espanol where you can find more news on the pocket know daily and pas canal add audio every 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