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and we should be on air finally good morning good afternoon good evening everybody and after I don't know 5 10 15 attempts we are finally live this is pocket now live episode number 17 I am Anton denied managing editor of gawker.com and I have the utmost pleasure of being joined today by our chief news editor mr. Steven shank hi Steven I how's everybody doing out there everybody should be fine how are you through this google + / hangout ordeal I don't know second time hopefully be the charm here I can't see your videos I can see your video in the little icon on the bottom there but not showing big so I maybe occidental to see show if you're mad voice that is yet so everyone out and clear we are hopefully live this thing is hopefully working and before we say anything else I have an important announcement to make bucket now that comes youtube channel will approximately in 30-45 minutes 1 hour reach 300,000 subscribers and we have prepared something special for you i'm not going to ruin the surprise but anyways in case you're watching this in a recording thank you very much please go watch the video we say thank you and watch the post on pocket now I've written a couple of Thank You words for you guys and a couple of logistic stuff if you have comments or questions you want to ask anybody on the Hangout steven myself or any of the participants on youtube as well as I'm pocket not write the question in all caps question column and your question as you've gotten used to by now so that it pops up in my eyes everybody on the Hangout please mute your microphones on until we talk to you and without further ado let's let's jump in to this show Steven please have the floor sure let's see who should we talk to first I saw Nick Carol pop up both the first time we tried to get this started and he's back now so hey Nick how are you doing hello okay I had your video sorry sorry for the delay um what do you guys think about the HTC One being possibly supported by google like a Google Experience HTC One do you think that's a legitimate possibility I don't know man I I totally believe that there could be a nice clean AOSP version of this sort of like what so needs been doing with some of its roms but I don't know if it's going to be as formal as what we're seeing with the the galaxy s4 I mean HTC pretty adamantly denied that anything about was going to happen so it could i'm just not betting too heavily on it what are you having okay well it's it's an interesting question and as as much as i would like to see the HTC one being a officially supported google edition phone because we have obviously the s4 i'm not sure it will happen I mean we keep on reading and hearing all these rumors of the HTC One coming as the google editions doc and great vanilla phone but Nicholas Oliver please meet your microphone thank you but I'm not sure it will happen because HTC has been built if you follow HTC as a company they they were so much basing themselves and and and relying on sense and sense is basically an integral part of the HTC experience now of course they deliver the HTC first where you can disable the facebook home and have a stock experience i'm just not confident personally that a stock google edition HTC One will will happen I don't know we think that HTC is more invested in sense than Samsung's TouchWiz I would stay that so yes okay yes i think if that's the case that also rules out the possibility of them coming out with their own like it's one thing they have a Google Experience HTC One because Google will then support that but that also rules out the possibility the HTC themselves would produce a stopped one so yeah if we're going on the belief that they are so strongly committed to being seen hand in hand with sense that's the HTC experience then yeah I mean if that's where they're coming from then I think you're right it could be just a bunch of hot air all these rumors I'll ask just a one more question or I guess a two-part questions and I'll get out of the way for others to login would you guys consider reviewing either a google glass or be the Nvidia shield since they're both portable but not strictly cell phones or tablets I know the exact answer i'm not sure if Stephen knows it so that's why I'm going to hand it over to Steven to answer fifth well I know we've talked about how we feel about some of these gaming Android things that are just they're not straight up smartphones like the Ouya one that plugs right into your TV and now shield shield is something that we've decided that yet these things that are basically just smartphones with some controls glued on like the Xperia Play we're going to be covering those I'm not sure how we're going to approach glass though tony do you have some insight here i have that much insight that at one point i have sent an email to brandon our editor-in-chief and i was like listen brandon i'm i'm receiving so many ideas from the team regarding google glass do you think we should cover it and he was like why not so yeah we'll cover google less as as far as the review is is concerned I will tell you this much stay tuned to pocket now next week one of the two will be reviewed cool that's good either all right law get out of the way i'm nick roux houston on twitter and google+ and you guys have a great day and happy 300,000 make thank you very much anyone have a nice one Steven do you mind taking another cool while I keep on monitoring the comments and and the logistics and the embedding and everything which went crazy but of course no problem let's see who do we have how about the data shakeela be right next to me down on the bottom here shakeela mute your mic and everybody hello Oh everybody okay well something awesome hi hopefully the audience are away sorry already when he drums problem their problem you sound fine now so what's on your mind you would talk about the one you've been looking at this jolla news this week where do you stand actually yes it's the water hello well you know I'm I yoga said jolla before I heard it pronounced it's ingrained in my mind its Jonna I have to deal with this it's just like a boom boom once you've been reading something for so long it doesn't matter like i found out apparently the guy who invented gifts prefers run see a cinch if i'm sorry it's gift i don't care if you hate is wrong yeah it your all we exchanged it for four wrong for like ten years but this is how we pronounce the G and I it's a G anyways back to you Sarah yeah yeah so I'm just yeah about Halla or depends how ever you want to pronounce it but um I was listening to the podcast yesterday and I think it was Michael Fisher and Taylor they were talking to a guest you guys out on I forgot his name um Stefan that was it yeah he was describing how he went yeah he went to the event in Finland and he I was really looking forward to seeing the phone and seeing the quality and all that sort of stuff and he came on and he really didn't like the phone he said it was pretty poor quality like and I was really disappointed I was like no I was looking forward to this phone yeah I get the feeling that they haven't even finalized a lot of the hardware I mean they've been so ambiguous about some of the specs like I haven't even decided on chipsets and things ensure the phones you're not coming out too much later this year that's to an extent fair its kind of waiting to the last minute but maybe some of those problems will be resolved in the upcoming months I don't know but you're right I guess such high expectations it's upsetting to hear that it may not be all we hope for it's kind of one of those brands that a lot of the techie geeky people they want to get behind but then when they fail we're even more critical of them it's like the Blues muted you got muted for a second there I had no nothing to do with that sorry oh it's sorry about that yeah just no problem Google Hangouts google hangouts yep you mentioned that hardware and the geeky side of this I'm really curious about these the interchangeable back covers here because it sounds like a possibly really great idea but we know so little about I'm a techie hardware guy I want to know how are they connecting here what's the interface what's possible the talking about like everything under the Sun you know Oh again you know have it can print money and it will have you know a hundred megapixel camera and the built-in battery pack there's so much you're saying it can do but what's the actual constraints of what pins are going to be there this is stuff I want to know about I'm up so late it's kind of like up in the air sort of dreaming they're not really telling us anything no and I've got some fundamental problems I really like that something new and different and that all these options are being discussed but wasn't the point of a smartphone that it's one gadget that does everything you need you know it's your camera it's your it's your laptop computer for a lot of people if you have to carry around with half a dozen accessories to snap on the back isn't that working backwards I mean this is going to want to do that it's kind of like with the Lumia 925 it's like why would you design such a good-looking phone and then make us stick this ugly thing on the back to get water usability out of it I know what Tony's gonna say but uh it doesn't look right I'm going to refrain from commenting so I mean there's a lot a lot of potential obviously we've seen some tantalizing things but it's I you know it doesn't seem to have the whole thing put together yet there's a lot of things that we don't know there's a lot that they're just not telling us and it's so hard to form very strong opinions at this point so we've actually had a chance to you know go we weren't at the in Finland we couldn't go hands on them I don't know maybe later on this year will be able to form some stronger opinions on and I hope so yola oh just one more question for you guys yeah all right I'm jump out um regarding all the doom and gloom for HTC lately are you guys genuinely worried for the company I'm not Tony r you I am a little bit yes whenever whenever a company starts losing not only employees but key executives and when some of those executives go to Twitter and say everybody should just leave HTC do it now and you'll be happy that makes me feel a little bit worried you know what are they leave because they know that the ship ship is sinking or whether they leave because they don't agree with a new policy of moving some HQ from Seattle to Taiwan that doesn't interest me that much but in in the general context of HTC stocks going like this and guess it worries me a little bit i mean the executive stuff though is that really going to impact the phones that we see sure they're the ones leaving the direction of the company but they're not the designers they're not the engineers as long as the creative people are still in place i don't know if it's going to be that applicant impact on the the products we see in the end I got your point completely but I think that once employees start losing their faith or not believing anymore and either the products or the direction the company is going towards or going in that's a huge question mark for me yeah it's problematic I will try to you that yeah I'll admit one of the only reasons I was worried because I'm being a bit greedy I just wanted 4.2 jelly bean for my HTC One without you guys yes mentha don't like knife you get that done you can leave I've heard rumors it supposed to be just a couple weeks away i think yeah let me just ask you something do you have the HTC One me yes yes you said it okay would you have preferred to get the HTC one google edition if that ever happens or are you okay with the normal HTC Sense 5 point elevation honestly I prefer it with sense because it gives me that option if I really want to try out 4.2 jelly bean i can just try out a custom rom I mean some of them are so close nowadays it's not a it's not a big difference to what Google gives me I'd be paying the same price for a google edition but no sense at all and that software actually costs them money to put into the phone there's no but I can say galaxy yeah okay though I want to follow it up with deal likely 4.7 inch size or now that we're hearing about a possible you know five and a half six inch one and I'll so this 4.31 mini would one of those be better do you think yeah I just I read your article just now and I was like if they're thinking of going any bigger they should go straight to a tablet don't bother with them because that's that's not their market a seven inch metal tablet that'd be pretty hard oh yeah it'd be nice yeah you see if HTC actually feels like you know getting serious about tablets any point in the future I'm not holding my breath but who knows me neither I would love to have one but yeah we know it's probably not gonna happen who knows let's wrap it up see them yeah any last question for us or we know that wasn't pranks okay thanks for your help guys all good weird anyway yeah regulations people want to reach you on twitter or whatnot how can they they find you I it's all down below shakeel under squirrel camera on you yeah underscore a yep and that's about it Twitter and Facebook is the same thing Google thanks for talking with us thanks guys Congrats thank you very much you take care bye bye and before I choose somebody to talk to i have a couple of questions one is directly addressed to me Anton do you ever leave that room this you know I've been born in this room I'm living in this room I'm living my entire life in this room and there's nothing beyond these windows and beyond that door so my entire universe is happening here at least you have the window open now so you can get some nice if reason it's because I need to smoke to get out but it's just I don't care whatever happens on the other side it's just my reality and I like paranoid like that so it's okay another question what do you guys think of the samsung galaxy mega 5.8 and 6.3 and when are you gonna review it right since I'm the jumbo film freak I'm the one who talks on a tablet of raising it to his ear I will review the galaxy mega 6.3 whenever it's available and you will read about it and a question to everybody Steven maybe you want to tackle this yeah i buy an HTC One I currently own a galaxy s3 mmm s3 to the one I don't know I think it's too soon yes three probably still has another you know nine months to a year of life left it and will still be getting the latest software I'll get all the good stuff that the s4 had unless it you know there's something wrong with it or you just got money burning a hole in your pocket maybe now's not the time to to upgrade no wait and see holiday season will have great phones if you look at something better than I mean don't if you love the one by all means it's a fantastic whoa get it but you don't have to s3 is an awesome phone to give it some more couple more months yeah and and i agree with stephen so if you got the s free the s3 will get probably if not all but the majority of s four features through an update we also have a video on pocket now youtube channel with the leaked s3 rom which brings a new android version and some features i would not upgrade but it's up to you and with that let me choose mr. met Pietro Jacques okay and now you tell me how you spell your name a pet Shack be a jerk so you have a Polish route yes good and I've been traveling a lot to bowl until at least I was a little bit close yeah well you know the whole flock language is basically all the same so tell me what do you want to talk about we have we have yo la we have HTC we have samsung we have Microsoft or we have anything else you want to talk about whether if it's mobile or not we don't care it's well yeah I was reading that article about the people but Kate it on their phones and you know just a whole comment or in the comment section you know that always happens but personally I have never used the case for my phone ever and I don't know if because I baby my phones or it's because the phones meant to be you know use not being on the couch cushion example of the way agree with you and I have no pouches on my phones either so here's the HTC One here's the octa-core s4 here's the iphone 5 and whatever else i have here it's without a pouch but our own Jaime Rivera has an awesome awesome saying and I'm gonna try to quote him to my to the best of my knowledge you buy a BMW and it has leather seats do you cover them with something to protect them or do you just show them off no you know I would obviously film off but there are markets for this they do it sell like you know car seat covers so yeah I think with phones you want to figure that the manufacturer spent all this developing money making it look a certain way and that's how the experience that it was users to have so do you want to be having that same experience every day or you want to get the one that you get from a you know ten dollar piece of silicon that probably witchcraft it up in an afternoon from a couple cat-scans oh you know it's it's about getting the full manufacturer's experience and so that I mostly been with you guys I've always hated cases I did finally get the bumper case for my nexus 4 honestly I think it makes it look better and that's the only reason well and the fact that is phone is just an ax waiting to happen but we've manufacturer cases there is the chance that they will actually enhance the look of the phone and I think that's what LG did here so I'm a recent convert but by and large I am agreeing that cases are awful Matt I can I can only add this it all depends on the type of person you are and how well you take care of your phones and without any ill will or or anything which which should be interpreted else else it's for instance Brandon minimum he's an awesome guy but he doesn't really take that much care of his films he drops them occasionally he tosses them and for him protection might be important if he would care about that me for instance this is actually the way I'm having my HTC one on my wooden table it's a cloth and the HTC One is sitting on the cloth and that's how I put it on a table and this is how I treat all my phones so it all comes down to how you care about your devices how often you wipe them clean and how often you check four scuffs and stuff like that so in my case I good care of them and I don't need a case it's funny when you mentioned about Europe in your HTC One on a cloth or whatever everything sits on something it's not directly on anything yeah on my neck that's four I do that all the time but now I have a Lumia 920 and well I think it's durable enough just to put on table that's a tank yeah yes if I wanted to go back to what tony was saying a minute ago about people who maybe don't take the best care of their phones I kind of feel like a jerk sometimes because when I try it well when I try to explain these anti case of feelings I have a lot of it is you know if you have a case maybe it's because you aren't respectful of the technology you got the phone free on contract you know look at it as a 600 700 dollar piece of high-end electronics you want to just throw it around and is it wrong to be judging people for just wanting a phone that's durable I maybe it's a double standard or something I feel uncomfortable when I espouse such thoughts occasionally me any any other topics or questions you want to uh well you know the whole rides of Microsoft that their recent commercials which ones the ones regarding the ipad or yea though they're really something i have recently learned that there is a huge disconnect between me here in europe and the US apparently and stephen can testify to this in the u.s. it is acceptable to have commercials which are not only calling out the competition but bashing the competition and that thing is against the law in europe so I've been born and raised yeah I've been born and raised under under these circumstances with with these ideas and whenever I see any company samsung bashing Apple HTC bashing Apple nakia bashing Apple because Apple for what it's worth and I'm not talking about the Mac versus PC ads which were like 20 years ago but recently Apple is not featuring any other device in their ads except for the iphone so I have this feeling that it's not right because i've been i've been raised thinking like this but but Steven can tell you that that in in the US this is normal and he will say that the the new surface vs iphone vs vicious iPad ads are just normal and I would say that they suck because in my opinion you cannot sell your product while bashing another product but Stephen will say no it's not like that here that is finally ingrained in American Advertising culture I mean going all the way back to you i can give the 80s that famous where's the beef at making fun of I think was Wendy's making fun of someone else but it was always been a case where manufacturers publicly parade each other and usually it's a little tongue-in-cheek I mean they'll you know do a past each of the company rather than directly attack them but it's not especially with a technological devices like this it's not on her to just put one up against the other and frankly I think Microsoft is I mean there's a little bit of controversy about exactly what it's saying about the ipad which I might have seen in a post i had up last night but I mean good for Microsoft or at least trying to get people questioning the the status quo and trying to get some you know more interest in the this struggling windows a chaplain market yeah well I have a surface pro myself and I love it so you know more people get windows 8 the better well i hope i have absolutely nothing about the surface pro windows 8 bro on the form factor like the surface pro is an awesome solution if you want to have uninterruptedly from your desktop to to the tram to your commuting to the office but I I have a problem with the surface RT so oh yeah I cannot get overhead but the service bro yeah that's that's a good product and I wish the surface pro would come in a seven-point something form factor I would buy that over the ipad anytime i think it's headed in that direction we might see that by the end of the year i hope so yeah well we'll see no Xbox one's around the corner so we note that Microsoft Delta will announce right yep a little Oh controller for the game that's a tablet maybe hmm Microsoft has been pioneering the gaming console and and the gaming experience for for quite some time now with the xbox it just comes down to whether they can connect windows phone with surface with Windows PC with the xbox and have a complete ecosystem which is seamless I mean they're trying already and it's not it's not bad but they've come up with I'm just curious where they can really go from here what you know the xbox one will do differently from the 360 had you know interactivity with Windows Phone it's just maybe not enough we'll see we'll see Matt do you have any any final thoughts we have to do while slowly uh no i am good then please make me a favor and tell everybody where they can find you on social networks in case you want to be bound you can find me on twitter by searching PPR said k BR zet k it is everybody they are that came the t r zi k thank you very much go and follow him on twitter Matt it's been a pleasure take care alright see ya before I hand it over to Steven I have a question from Speedos I think he's from Greece judging by his name he says question oppo or oh BB 0 is coming to europe on monday there's actually a new speech saying that they are opening their european online store and they will be shipping phones to anywhere in europe for free so a PO is coming to europe on monday should i buy one or wait for the next Nexus see them ah I'm glad someone mention that I saw that on the news feeds this morning and it's awesome that all those doing this I mean the best way that a brand that's mainly focused in Southeast Asia looking to get broader international appeal is to directly go after the customer so this is great for them I don't know if you should get an epiphone though because they're so focused in Southeast Asia we we write about them we hear the news about them but compared to allow the other phones we have very little hands-on experience with these so it's tough to say and again the other side of that question we don't know whether the next Nexus device is coming out I mean we might get this news white nexus for next month but a nexus 5 could still be you know 56 if not more months away and and from what I've heard just to complete your sentence there might not even your nexus 5 there there might be the motorola x which might be our next is so who knows whatever it is yeah i do not know how to answer to that but definitely you should check out the Oppo offerings it's great that they're going to be available so take a look at what L say okay thank you for your answer and there's somebody who says should i buy the galaxy tab to 7.0 and my answer to who is definitely not because the galaxy I happy to ah it's a two year old device I can hear some background noise so everybody please greet your microphones if we're not talking to you it's an old device and we have some new offerings on the market we got the asus fonepad if we want to keep it Samsung we had the galaxy note 8.0 if at all the tab 3 is coming up it's coming out yeah according to rumor so if you are short on your budget and the galaxy note and the galaxy tab 2 7 point 0 is the only option which you can get yeah go get a nexus 7 or something that yeah word so yeah and the Steven it's your turn yeah what's the UM I like alawi al-haddad because he has the biggest head in the lineup here and so he is he I mean by nature of sitting closest to the camera not some physical know this criminals out of here unless us are really uh angle there he is you know 40 feet tall but Zoe how are you doing I'm fine how are you I am well what did you want to talk to us about well I'm gone I want to talk about I want to ask Anton about nokia lumia 925 yes please ask on whatever you want to know yeah I want to know how I was feeling between nokia lumia and HTC One does it work really I can tell you this much it is definitely much much much lighter than the Lumia 920 for instance and it is even lighter than the HTC One now if you compare the Lumia 925 with the samsung galaxy s4 which the galaxy s4 is a I'd say light device I couldn't really tell the difference which one is lighter so I I'd say this much the Lumia 925 is thin and white much thinner and much lighter than the Lumia 920 and what is killing it killing of the Lumia on the frame yeah can you please repeat the question the almond almond Lumia dollar menu the aluminum the aluminum uh so if you have you ever held an HTC One or an iPhone 5 in your hand I have held okay so you know that whenever you get the iphone 5 in your hand the back is cold because it's aluminum and and it feels cold yeah okay now the Lumia 925 feels the same way around the edges the top and the bottom because that's where the aluminum is and the back of it feels exactly like the Lumia 920 or the HTC or the samsung galaxy s4 without the hyper place so it is cold to the touch on the edges but it is kind of warm plasticky on the back so that's a mixed feeling of cold and warm ok now let's fill out all HTC company okay please disable later Stephen back to Stephen and whatever a question for me just call me out in the comment that HTC I mean company when way if it stink carrot and it's out of the market we're gonna lose the really nice sign phones that made for people I mean if you hear that you look at the Sony so they make very nice phones and really great twice but they like some things that Samsung have like software and stuff like that as for HTC they mix between sony and samsung in kind of way like they make the software and they make design that are much better than the system so what's your opinion HTC gone from apartments ok so what effect would HTC's absence have on the sort of the quality of phones we're seeing both from hardware and software oh that's a good question HTC like you said it's definitely a company that puts a higher focus on design then Samsung does while still having some very attractive software so I think it's a good comparison the mix of Samsung and Sony first off I don't think HTC is going anywhere so it's a bit of a a moot point for me even considering this um but I don't think we'd see other companies necessarily spring right up to fill that exact role because like I said we have other companies doing these things individually there might not be someone who arrives to do things in exactly the same way HTC has been mixing the hardware and software focuses as they've been but for looking at the Android landscaping general and the effect it would have minimal I mean HTC has been scaling back the number of phones it makes and when it did make a lot a lot of them were very similar so it would be awful I don't think it's going to happen and if it does the impact we would see would not shake things up to I think the extent some people are worrying about I could be totally wrong you know but I'm really hoping she does not disappear 11 failure I mean right it's one failure after years of middling success but if you're not read too much into this you know the cancellation at first in the UK it's just it's a road bump it's not a collapsing building here well I also saw the news about galaxy s4 active I mean a design of the therefore this forum how if they did it for generations for will be really much better yet the s4 looks really cool um that design with the the bright orange that's not the sort of thing we're used to seeing from Samsung it actually kind of looks a little bit more like what HTC might do leave or a windows phone model or something no that's a really compelling phone I really hope the hardware ends up being able to deliver because it the specs have been a little all over the place we're not quite sure if it's me quad core dual core it could still be a good phone if it's dual core but as a really pretty phone I am excited to see it actually be just around the corner they've been saying end of may possibly so we might get the full scoop on that one sooner than we think hopefully and and let me just got in with with a a quick question what do you guys think and this is a question for everybody what are you are participants or you are watching this what do you guys think about the recent rumors about the Nokia EOS I mean I know I'm a PureView I'm a real PureView fanboy so that's 41 megapixel camera over sampling all the way we've heard some rumors that there might be an event sometime next month maybe in two months what do you guys think of that obviously jump in here first ah I'm really impressed but we've heard about the physical aspects of the device that they managed to get that big sensor in there and from all accounts it should be the same 41-megapixel we've seen on the 808 while not making it super thick I mean possibly even thinner than the 920 and just being either lying down day or point I'm going to lock my camera on you while you talk and I'm going to show off the 920 versus the HTC One that is ridiculous I'm gonna throw in the galaxy s4 and I'm gonna throw in the apple iphone 5 and I'm going to do a four-way thickness comparison lie so this check this out that is a tasty smartphone sandwich right there so getting this any form factor which would be like this or this or this is awesome on it by itself yeah I'm just worried though because it's a thing we might not see really fancy stuff like the optical image stabilization but still a little big megapixel camera and a decent lens will be more than enough to make Windows Elias ridiculously happy and my experience with the with the 808 PureView the 808 PureView is better than any other phone out there even in low-light conditions given you are using a tripod it is the rub it yeah it has a long exposure time which which generates awesome awesome low-light pictures but you have to have a tripod for those i think it's 3.3 seconds the longest exposure time and for that you have to hold the device still this is getting a little off track that reminds me there's this feature that Adobe demoed a couple years ago for things going to be in the next photoshop now that they're going all online only where it can when you have a long exposure time it can sort of track out how the camera was shaking and then post processing correct all of the the movement blur and we'll thought that if we combine that with a 41-megapixel sensor that would be incredible assuming that a smartphone has the processing power to do it but oh man please license that two camera companies I beg of you not agree with you about the children of you it's 808 you are breaking up just a little bit on my end I'm sure on Stephenson too so if you can please repeat the sentence or the beginning of it pew pew true that you have just now okay I the thickness of the phone can be reduced because cuz that's in on then the you know the thickness of the phone might be because of the Xenon's you know you know the Xenon flash is just a small part of it the thickness comes from the super super huge sensor which is the 41-megapixel sensor which is also huge in size so it does have nothing to do with the Xenon flash the Lumia 928 I don't want to spoil anything but by the time we finish this hangout the Lumia 928 on boxing will be live on YouTube and I'm pocket now and you'll see that it has nothing to do with it yet they're saying that the EOS might have a smaller flash the 808 but the flash is not what back hey thank you okay I'm locking my camera on you as Stephen Willa Willa talk you out yeah I think we can see if your your Twitter handle down there is it blurry over here we owe it out early ee yeah hello all right so that's where they go to follow maui on twitter thank you very much for talking with us and please come on back some other week yeah why thank you bye-bye and ate a question for pot from pocketnow.com do you think that if HTC one had something like Siri or s voice then it would help HTC to increase their sales and do you think that they should add this feature in their next key lime pie update what it does it's called google now next next is seriously what would more functionality do you want that I agree with you if you happen to live in a region like I do which is not fully supported by either Google now 0 or s voice you learn to not care about either one of those so as far as weather is concerned as I said previously I have a window and usually the online weather channels are wrong all the time so when it's raining outside it's sunny on my phone and aside from that I have no use of these but sure if you live in the US or a supporter country it's up to you next question what do you guys expect at WWDC I don't happen all the ways actually I had a piece up which was this weekend a part of the series and on things I think that Apple does not need any new hard work this year what they need is a new version of iOS a new breath a something refresh even if it's if it's like this hey guys we have no phones we still have the iOS 6 running iphone 5 only that now it will get iOS 7 and it will look completely different on your phone so that would mean for me a probably a stop in decline of the market share loss for for apple apple doesn't need new hardware you're right it's so insanely profitable but it puts out a new phone I was looking at some chart of a apple sales and you see it like it climbs up for a while all the cells go on and then when a new phone come out it just shoots up and sort of you know smooths down but when they introduce one that's going to be millions billions of dollars coming in for them even they don't need it they're gonna do it but that's off the point of WWDC like you were saying yeah we're not going to see any hardware if we do see hardware it's going to be like macbooks it's going to be more of you know the OSX side of things iOS 7 could be very interesting I'm not sure how much of it we're going to see though as they're really not going to release it now this is going to be like hey developers check out where you're not working with in beta for the next six months I don't know if we'll see enough to be blown away but like you said Apple could really have a big the big success of this year just be software wise so and maybe maybe they will bring a iphone 5s with slight improvements but the main selling point will probably iOS 7 okay mr. Seth perfect your name is perfect I want to talk to you are you doing I am awesome how are you where are you from good uh united states north carolina north carolina your of the steven is is taylor from NC you're from SC teller i think it's north he's a human Charlie I'm not mature Allah too awesome what do you want to talk about today from everything we have mentioned or from whatever else well I miss the beginning so I just recently read a guess an article on some new a bigger HTC one I don't know they're going to call it but that's that Steven's derf JCC one point something yeah what about it i like it i wish i wish they would do it what do you think it should be more like a five incher or closer to six inch tablet e sizes probably five and a half I had a had a note 2 and I gave it up for for the one just because I I just love the speakers and the build quality and I do miss the battery life though that's one thing I hadn't thought about if they do go with a bigger phone that's room for the battery to get larger as well so yeah I'm just worried that it's HTC walking backwards it sounds like a droid DNA again if it's tour the smaller size but another boom sound you're right that's a really big deal if they had a phablet size device with boomsound I would be interested in trying that out right and something and something with uh with the metal design you know design just like it how do you think will a larger form factor with the impact on portability on weight specifically say the HTC One is a relatively heavy device the same build with a six-inch for a fact or will it be too heavy for you I don't know what's the note is the note felt pretty heavy the note 2 I mean uh pretty heavy but I don't know what the difference is between look you're looking for the note looking for to notice we Tony's basket oh he's there Harrison on the fly well I'd say that let me switch hands I'd say that these two feel approximately the same but the difference in screen size is about this big the problem is if you do the speakers on the front I think the phone is going to end up being too big but probably way to go though I love it that would be even better i think on the tablet having lost matters on the front it's a trade-off but I think it would be worth it Stephen a memory exercise wasn't the galaxy blared the first-ever device to have front facing the front firing speakers it's the first I remember having stereo front-facing speakers right like summer of last year was it yeah yeah yeah I think yeah I had the same memory but that I just wanted to check yeah that's the first that strikes me a recollection set back to you I'm sorry okay I got another thing yes my my friend's wife sent me a message a little while ago saying she wants to buy our her husband a nexus 7 for father's day they'll buy a nexus 7 now that's what I'm saying so I don't know what to tell her I'm telling her to wait but I don't think it's gonna be by father's day but what is father's day I think it's a 16 jun oh yeah we're not going to hear about a new Nexus 7 by then but anyways the nexus 7 should be one year old in one or two weeks max so it is due for a refresh and I actually posted this morning a rumor that the second-generation Nexus 7 should be out by the end of q2 so that's january-february a pro may do so by the end of june i don't think it's worth risking for just a couple of weeks buying last year's hardware with the Tegra 3 processor when it can have something you in one or two weeks so I'd say and I think that Steven agrees with this that just just hold on just for one one or two more weeks yeah and maybe he's like me and doesn't know when father's day yes or you won't I do have one other thing I have have appetit v and i like it i think it works good but I don't have apple devices anymore what's up with the google TV when can they make it so it's like apple TV where everything is just seamless the phones connect you could view everything up that's on your phone what's going on I can talk about the Apple TV because I have an apple TV I have an iPad i have a macbook i have a apple router i have the ipad i have the iphone i have everything in addition to the android devices which i had so they all played together they do not play with android devices and windows phone so i cannot comment on the google q I think the Nexus Q but i'm not sure Stephen can either he had that I always wanted one of those i fortunately didn't get in the when they were available for pre-order and I think everyone got them for free in the end I do think that the one thing to pay attention to is this gadget that showed up in the FCC like earlier this week your last that might be a new Nexus Q it was definitely line power it had no radio bands just Wi-Fi is a google device it looks like it could be you know the next thing that goes in your living room I don't know if it'll have the same functionality as Apple TV it's still too early to to tell but I would wait and see where that's headed something it exists we're not quite sure what it is but it could very well be the product you're looking for and then would have all of the integration with our smart phones you all be on the same in the same ecosystem and google has the power to do with and they had the back end and and it's only up to them really yeah that's what I'm saying how long is the apple TV been around and all its features that Google can't catch up with it I mean that's something else they got all down on yep I am still upset about what happened with the Q last year that thing looks like from the beginning that Google didn't know what they were thinking I mean banana plug connectors for stereo it's like it had this they thought they had to do this they had to answer apple yet like design by committee or something I don't know what I'm Steven by the way have you read the the new reports that the I think it was the google music the new version of it that does not support the last year Google Nexus Q yeah I think I was just an oversight they had it I saw those headphones I didn't get the meat of the story there yeah me neither specifically blocking the queue or if it was just non smartphone devices I think that's than what it was wasn't set up to run on yeah things that didn't have a built-in screen that was embarrassing but I think that was just a good they're gonna fix it hopefully if they haven't already set any final thoughts questions that's it it's the three things I'm hoping for hope somebody's listening hopefully there are if you want to tell anybody and everybody where they can find you on your social networks I'm locking my camera on you you don't have any dog tags as I like yeah I gotta I gotta figure that out like my profile which was blocked for three months for good was plucks I guess because of my name and I had to figure out how to get him to approve it and I finally did this is my first time joining in sorry like that thought that you were just some random guy named Seth claiming he was the best set out there you might want to spell out your ear or Facebook or Google+ Google Plus is that perfect SC th p RF PCT awesome on thank you very much for jogger weekend guys have a nice to take care my way Oh Steven no more questions for the moment so it's back to you jump right in here how about Karthik Karthik tell us how you're doing hello hi there where you are not calling where you're video chatting from I'm from Texas Arlington all right another US bound visitor here I like that but what do you want to talk about with us I have three questions basically sure and first one will be especially to Anton and on what you think of iOS nokia is I mean they're going to release it but will they release their on all carriers remember the make they made a mistake with 920 and they just released on AT&T that's an interesting question so first of all before I answer that question I'm going to sound off my concern that I'm still not really clear about this the from what I know windows phone does not support 31 megapixel images image sensors and the rail officers yeah and the processors inside windows phones do not support that Nokia might show off a device in June or July saying hey this is the EOS it's gonna be available in October but by that time windows phone 8.1 or 8.5 will be already out and to answer your question I think no I think the Lumia eos whatever its its code name will be 1000 one will be an international device and I think that AT&T Verizon and t-mobile will get specific models and no I think Nokia has not learned you know as for that the camera issue there I'm not sure it's the deal breaker that people have been making it out to be even if the the SOC is that we already have that are approved for windows phone 8 don't natively support this you could always throw another chip in between the two that talks directly to the camera sensor and then to the processor and it can read all those pixels and deliver them it's not going to be the cheapest solution it's not going to be the most compact solution but if they want to make a big show hey look what we can do they could make it work they could yeah because I'm with with Microsoft fully supporting them they I can even see them having a very custom version of Windows Phone specifically for the EOS oh okay makes sense but really hope they don't make mistake exactly like Lumia what they did I'm not sure about the ante so the 920 AT&T 925 tmobile/slash international 928 verizon do I need to tell you more later history look I don't mind 925 920 and 928 but they should release at the same time yeah otherwise there's no point in I did not agree with you more and I think props the Samsung because they were the first ones to manage to do with this with the Galaxy Note 2 because we know the galaxy s3 he was kind of a different s2 and s3 was different carriers different form factors but the note 2 I think was the the first device from Samsung having the same specs across the world with the same design and the same internals and they managed to do that first and HTC is doing the same with the HTC One so hopefully nakia learns I believe they will not learn okay next question google i/o Anton you said it's a disappointment why I mean it because there is no new version of Android yes mainly yes I've been expecting one of two things to happen at Google i/o number one because of the nexus 7 will be soon what year old I expected a nexus 7 point something refresh that did not happen the second thing I expected was something i don't know what four point two point three four point three four point five point 75 points something and updated to android but as it turns out google i/o was a mainly developer oriented event and that is why i was a little bit disappointing and i'm looking forward to a dedicated android / nexus event soon yeah I almost got the feeling from IO that it was intentional that they were trying to refocus development so maybe we'll get like a big commercially focused advantage towards the end of june or july global see oldest on which you would make all the sense in the world given the new dates for WWDC hmm talking about apple do you really think they'll will they release a new new handset especially bigger one because they really always stress on the form factor and portability and all those things and nowadays phones are bigger so we like he's a bigger question knowing knowing apples history Apple is the Apple was bashed because they had the 4 inch screen and on the iphone 5 and now Apple has managed to become about the only manufacturer to offer a smaller solution to 4.7 inches to almost five inches and Apple is about the only phone about the only high-end phone delivering good user experience which is in the smaller form factor part so people who want a smaller phone can only go with apple in my opinion I'm ledge Steven what do you think I wouldn't go that far there are some smaller options in women both windows phone and Android they might not be the highest end for their platforms but I guess want to back up and talk about the idea of this larger phone in general these rumors the next Apple devices are ridiculous how is completely all over the landscape of the Arts well we're going to get seven new iPhones next week oh no we're going to get 120 inch iPad in February of next year and everything in between and when you look back on what happened last summer with all of these iphone 5 weeks ago that's I mean compared to years previous we were getting those tight as a drum was a huge deal when that oh is it iphone four of the 4s prototype the quorum about their hand as a 4s and now this year we're hearing a lot again but it's so disjointed I can't help but wonder Apple's like doing a disinformation campaign out there and it's trying to muddy the waters a little and we hear about a bigger iPhone smaller iPhone plastic iPhone yeah I had them looks like the ipad mini it's maybe we'll get half of this stuff maybe we'll get none of it but I think Apple might actually be trying to purposely confuse us here you know I've no evidence for this this is just paranoia I had this one sony ericsson x10 xperia and I have this Lumia 920 now when I was looking at that the old phone it looks and feels so comfortable in hand small and this is huge and I'd I mean I don't like to have a big phone which is much more bigger than this you know the small and huge without being misunderstood is a very civil acta thing so what would I be small for you might be big for me and vice versa I need to adapt so if i am using the gs4 i need to adapt to it and if i am going back to the iphone 5 I need to adapt it but if I was not working with pocket now and I had to buy my own phone my personal perfect size is the 4.0 4.3 inch form factor that's good for my hands okay you're just so upset the HTC first couldn't catch on i was going to save the 4.3 inch for you back and and i believe in that phone i mean just one click away from nexus applying it come on that's it and one more thing i would like to buy yola phone just because i was a note i am a nokia fan and i loved me go and I want to see how your love works I have met eola in person at mwc i have met marc dylan i met all the awesome people at yola here's a question for you would you rather give say six hundred dollars for a yola phone or would you give six hundred dollars for a samsung galaxy s4 I hate them so the problem yeah the problem that's what I'm trying to emphasize I love you and I have a t-shirt here to prove it the problem is that that they they have priced their phone somehow too high I mean an order for you as a newcomer even if the hardware is awesome but we don't know anything about it you have to price it like a newcomer I mean if you price your phone like the flagship Android phone whether it's this or this you're likely going to have the Windows Phone affect all over or the windows tablet effect or that yeah okay I don't understand that so that's that's my personal bliss but if you want to buy elephone all means I think that the other half is awesome and as Mark Dylan said that there are no limitations you can customize the back cover and and the experience there are no limits to that but but I really think that it's it's a new platform it's starting from zero and from 0 to 3 point something percent where Windows Phone is there's a long road Windows Phone got 23 points something okay let's say five depending on who you believe it took them two years and we're talking Microsoft yeah yeah okay that's it thank you guys and yeah get in touch with you we went to a fighter I wish I could figure that out I'd read it but it for some reason google being google so he said everybody loves google yeah we're just gonna be reduced to wearing you know signs around our necks next time yeah i guess makes sense anyway a congratulation on 300,000 muslim thank you keep up the good work that's it have a good weekend guys thank you so much take care you Tony I think you're up for you wanna talk or not before a question questions questions Anton when are we going to see a real battery that can last for days without charging it no matter how hard we are using it well I have one right here to quote Ace Ventura it's a extended battery for the guy it's a sixty four hundred million power battery i had a review on pocket now make sure to read that basically wear whatever you want to get extreme battery life out of your phone you have to have an external battery of course your phone has to support external battery unlike me one so that's the first prerequisite else i'm oliver with the razr maxx is your max or you can just get like an old motorola what was the phone it looked like a brick a startac but yeah large enough to hold on acid car battery you can do that if you wanted to go down that road yeah okay so um to me you say okay Nicholas Oliver re hi we are good if I can please kindly ask you to speak a little bit longer oh my mission we are barely hearing you but yeah it's it's working fine what do you want to talk about today yeah iris lee yesterday about the windows phone youtube app gets put off by google yup right you to the advertisement and the in-app the blogging video Steven did you get that I do most look at the question there yeah googly block the YouTube apps for the windows phone what did they they actually block it I know they were threatening to and the Microsoft came up with a new app that is correctly downloaded from what I know they they called out Microsoft for not for not obeying their terms and conditions and and Terms of Service because of the ads and downloading of YouTube videos and Microsoft issues a update for the YouTube application and by the way install or not oh yeah and and that should fix part of the issue but we're not sure if it's going to be a nun Google could still block YouTube or your find a way to break what they're doing Microsoft might you know do what they did this past time and just try to reverse-engineer some of the API themselves so it could be like a back-and-forth they get into here yeah I think Microsoft is I don't know how much interest it has and doing the right thing but it's it's definitely it's put the ball back in Microsoft in Google's court I'd use that phrase quite a bit lately but the google totally did at i/o with Larry Page they made this an issue that Microsoft could get a lot of attention about by saying we're all about you know interoperability and openness and Microsoft's Kinect very valid point if you are you know we want to show these ads give us the ability to its Google should it's nothing to be Google will come forward with that and everyone will be happy or Google will have to finally put its foot down and say we weren't as open as we were leading you to believe and we still has control over YouTube and we want to dictate how it works since this is an editorial I want to know your personal opinion regardless oh not a pocket now opinion but your opinion do you think that Google has a personal vendetta against Microsoft and in this specific case with with all the api's with YouTube with with the services on gmail and exchange and so on so as a whole do you think that Google wants Microsoft Windows Phone to disappear or to not allow those people who are tied in with the Google ecosystem to switch to Windows Phone absolutely I don't think that they're being necessarily malicious about it but they see or the audience here they don't need to serve they it's not like iOS where it's so big that you can you can't ignore them they're going to have to even if it means helping another company with their platform the benefit who the size of the user base is big enough to make to compel Google to provide apps the windows phone it doesn't have to and so it's either going to be a case of Google deciding but we're going to be the nice guy who just shares with everyone or it can be the guy who says well we're big enough that we can pick and choose who we play with and we don't think windows phone is big enough um so yeah I think it sort of has singled the maps aside if this isn't worth our while and we're not going to put ourselves and any sort of not going to put ourselves out in the slightest bit in order to to to force a solution that works here so I don't know if that's going to be enough though to actively try and get in the way Microsoft but absolutely they're purposely not trying very hard to bring Google Experience to Windows Phone users Thank You Nicholas back to you yeah I take the relationship between Google and Microsoft has to be an unstable recently so the google recently that they wants block the google maps from the week those phone users so yeah we've those and Luclin did it did they actually block that though I can't remember then I have a feeling that came out that it was just like because it was all being done in browser was something about it no user agent pro like user agent strings was thinking it was the right ml5 versus something else yep I have a feeling that wasn't exactly the same thing as this but yeah there has been more than one event in the past where it it seems at least there's a public perception that at Google is trying to make things difficult for Microsoft yeah well that's your question oh are you looking forward to happy google glass i will go first because my answer is short i personally am not even if elaborate on that little tony chicken do you want to elaborate on that at all yeah so i am not that much into wearable technology i would probably accept and probably use a SmartWatch regardless of who makes it samsung pebble apple or somebody else but wearing glasses with a camera to which I would talk to take a picture and know that that's just not me it's not my style so it's it's not it does not fit my personality you guys are me I don't I don't mind the look of the thing i mean it's its scientific and you know sci fi locate another but she looks like it's about what it offers or what what I don't need right it's like right now we're not walking around doing augmented reality with our phones all the time we're not I mean it seems like we're taking pictures of everything but it's not it's a not a constant thing like glass does and so I'm also not that excited about it i like that someone's doing it as far as what features it offers it doesn't seem worth fifteen hundred dollars yeah by a long shot one last question of what do you think about the bleep blackberry procedure available on android and iOS IP blackberry messenger is the main selling point for blackberry because it in a particular country like Nigeria and our magic heart cuts blackberry is really really really well due to blackberry center so if correct me if I if I misunderstood the question is blackberry versus Android iOS and Windows Phone and their main markets a blackberry messenger going Stephen you wanna go first or I'm i'll be honest i don't get blackberry messenger I understand what it does and I see some of the appeal there like the ability to to know when messages have gone through that's great but if not very bid they back themselves into a corner here locking it in and that was cool when they had a market share to do it and like I said there are still these regions where blackberry does have a sizable market share so into when I said I can see this in this willingness to open up at this point as blackberry trying to try to integrate this you know the closeted position would be the large or smartphone ecosystem but it also feels a little bit like admitting defeat like blackberry is no longer big enough to keep this train moving on its own it could be the beginning of the end for blackberry messenger and people are using you know whats app and all this stuff to communicate now and I feel like it's it's boat has sailed I agree I mean I had lots of friends and colleagues and co-workers on BBM and usually companies went for blackberry because of carriers supporting blackberry at good price points and there was awesome VES and the other IT department implementations but right now at least part of Europe I see facebook Messenger I see whats app I see skype and probably one other solution which is not BBM for instant communication plus in this part of Europe SMS is still a huge thing yeah I mean in a certain countries of blackberry messenger is the main way to communicate with their friends I have a friend of mine in Oh contact blackberry nation Indonesia is in that country everybody use blackberry so yeah don't get me wrong and in countries like Indonesia or or even India where blackberry is still a huge thing that's that's a good thing that they have blackberry messenger on blackberry and they have it now open or they will have it open on Android and other platforms but that's the exception as far as I'm concerned i mean if i take the world and I say okay the world doesn't care about BBM but Indonesia and India desk here that those are the exceptions for me even if India is one of the biggest if not the third item biggest mobile market and on this planet yeah it can be the semester before blackberry because in those emerging markets like maybe saying here's the main selling point that's awful though the base of platform around the selling point is just a messaging app that's like admitting defeat yeah the yeah I think it means that that very is confident enough with its blackberry 10 so yeah they are not just relying on blackberry center they're going to show the world that they can compete with Android and iOS its bb10 that's the interesting perspective I think we're going to get a lot of answers to the success of blackberry 10 over the next few months now the q10 is finally out in some markets it sort of feels like the complete blackberry 10 package has arrived so this is the time for us to find out is is this going to be enough and if you know by the end of the year things aren't looking up will probably be writing our new 2013 prediction yet lists with another one another look at Ellis last year's that wasn't it was a black hurry I think it was two or three years in a row but it has survived for its credit bid it did against a lot Nicholas if if you have any final thoughts or any final questions for for anybody yeah when you will be reviewing the google glass I'm looking forward to it if I will have any word in this it will be never but again I have at least so anyways it's not all coming down to only my opinion we have a voting system and if I'm downloaded then will we will review it but it is not a mobile device per se it is not a major scope of our coverage we cover smartphones and tablets now if you can consider us as either smartphone or tablet we might I do not steven is disagreeing so please do I can see how you in stretches just far enough to fit in our constraints I mean it runs Android it is a mobile device if not a traditional form factor I don't know with even do you remember that certain team web email which we sent back and forth I think one year ago or maybe 16 months ago that bucket now we'll never cover devices with with 5 inch plus screens hello quickly things change yeah so but I don't know I I am NOT into google glass and I don't really see the need for us as a mobile website to review with other sites and gadget the verge they cover everything from from coffee grinders to two cars they might review that but we are specifically only covering smartphones and tablets yeah I'm one last question Leslie this last long because we have to move on okay okay is where she keyboard a portion for a physical keyboard not anymore I am a convert I used to be a big party man but this the jellybean keyboard is so nice just sliding around I totally not missing and not only that I mean iOS does a great job windows phone does a great job II stock android keyboard doesn't great job there are of course within Android some keyboards which are worse than others but as a general idea I do not miss the qwerty keyboard even if it makes me feel old and the stellar but that's it I do wish that there were more options right out there because I understand there will be people who do like it and especially in Android land there's are just not that many good bones especially my blackberry's he's bad all rolling Nicholas I'm going to lock my camera on you so that people can see where they can reach you on Twitter YouTube and Google+ and with this I'm going to thank you very much for joining us yeah you can find me on google+ at t-plus the tos last week last Oliver and then you can find me on youtube oh I play youtube channel that is T ACH p I a PLA and I'm also writing an article or Detroit in fact com that's your article awesome thank you very much for joining us have a great weekend and before I hand it over to Steven there's a question for me Anton and this is also going out to you Steven ok Anton honestly speaking shall i buy the Lumia 925 or wait for the EOS by the way i'm using lumia 920 so is it worth to buy the Lumia 925 now if you have watched the video i have uploaded to YouTube well being in London at the event I had this exact question in mind why should somebody by the 925 when they have the nine money or the 928 and nakia made it very clear that the 925 has not only a different lens structure with a 66 lens but they also have some software tweaks in addition to some camera applications which by the way will come to the 920 line now strictly to your question should you buy the 925 having the 920 no should you wait for the EOS now the EOS is a dream phone it's what we call the leaf I don't know how to say this in English anyways it's it's what she it's it's your uber phone it's what she dreamed for having if it will happen by the EOS I will Steven please I'm pretty much doing a mirror Tony's response there if you have a 920 there's no good reason to upgrade 925 I mean if it looks cooler it has these better camera features but it's just so closed what you already have these the improvements do not seem worth the expense the u.s. in the other hand it could be this hero phone the windows phone to end all windows phones for the conceivable future if you can wait for it you know give it a month see if it comes out we still don't know if this is a week away or six months away so we give it a wait and see sort of attitude i would say okay and with that i'm gonna hand it over to Steven for I think the last goal of tonight I'm a deeply sorry I'm sorry I I see some of you waving to get my attention but zodi arc Fang has the coolest name I've ever heard so d arc is that's not your real name is it no it's not man you tube cuz that would have been the best name I ever it's still very cool because it would have been cool with your parents had thought that was cool anywho where are you located I'm UK in the moment in the UK ok and I would even talk to us about today well I read a few articles today I don't know even if you've seen them but one of them was that the rumor about the HTC One getting a google edition yeah I hope is that we not only read them we have actually posted them it's it's this guy who posted about it all right and but my question is um do you think we have the possibility that the HTC might maybe the next Nexus oh I can go first yeah please so the possibility is there what it happen no and this is what I personally think if you come to look at google's support for oems we had to HTC devices at the beginning we had to Samsung devices following up and we are at the 1st LG device so normally it would either be the second LG device or if if you are listening to the rumors maybe the new acquisition immoral otherwise the reason I actually because i read somewhere that i don't know who said it within google but but the the idea of the nexus was to bring the best hardware and couple it with the best software and now as far as I understand the HTC One at the moment is the best hardware phone connect a lot of us agree though making a nexus version of it would make sense you know when it would make sense now with all the rumors of HTC going down and it's not about fanboyism or or media interpreting things differently it's about just looking at the facts HTC stocks are going down since 16 months or so so if Google would had an interest in saving HTC as including at the bigger picture they would probably offer support for HTC and having a next Google Nexus but I don't see that happening now at this release cycle I'm not sure that having a Nexus device would necessarily save the company I mean yeah it would get them some better brand recognition but if if they do another you know Nexus 4 here I have the feeling that you know they're gonna be an HTC would sell the phone at cost to Google who would then give it practically a cost to us they're not going to see a ton of money from a Nexus device here I mean and let size that the nexus devices don't sell volumes yeah there's no you know sales through carriers generally we're just not it's not gonna be like another one or something it'll just be a hundred to a hundred thousand millions of sales with maybe not tens of millions also I'm not sure I agree with Tony about that pattern we've been seeing with Nexus phones i mean it's there i'm not convinced that just because LG had did one they're going to do the next one as well it very well could be um I guess don't think that Google would go back to HTC just because it already dealt with it it feels like it's moved on I'm not sure if that means we're gonna see LG next door I got to admit my vets probably on motorola raising its it's a visibility in the nexus in this google x field of becoming the google phone of choice is there snow besides what you said about nexus phones being the best of the best I don't think HTC really enters into Google's your consideration at this point it's a good phone it's a good phone but there's going to be better phones and a couple months from now and you know the one star is going to get a little bit different yeah I love you with that point now the other thing I have them spotted is that well it's reported that Android 4.3 has been spotted on an actual device yeah and it's bringing from what I understand it's bringing new camera software well that's always really just yeah we have not seen much of this and we've heard all about these new google services but as far as what specific features we could hope for and 4.3 we've talked about no bluetooth or point of the low-power support and when we saw these cameras but that's just scratching the surface here there's probably a whole lot more going on that we haven't seen there were only you know four or five pictures that have come out of this it was a nexus for that was spotted a an expo in Thailand and I didn't post all of them that had surface but the rest aren't showing anything new a lot of questions a lot of unknowns but the question I was going to actually this is this is something that that you raised Anton it was about how you said that Google doesn't have a unified services platform and what I'm saying what would it do you think that you've a 4.3 or five point O might bring that to the table it might bring a unified services platform so everybody gets the same thing at the same time and it becomes available no matter where you are in the world no and I think that's never going to happen with Android because androids policy and and business model is different say from from iOS Apple is always in control whether you having an iphone on AT&T or recently on t-mobile organ a lot more or anywhere else on the planet Apple controls the updates there are no carrier brandings or no carrier blotter in addition to this Android is different and grid has a lot of carrier customization once a new platform comes out the applications have to be implemented than field tested then approved and sent may be back and and it's it's a backend for so because of the business model I I don't think that this is possible at this time with with a great yeah and Windows Phone Windows Phone try to Microsoft try to be like like a combination between Google and Apple and Microsoft said at one point that we are controlling the updates and that that is true Microsoft is is in control of the switch itself but they don't flip the switch until they have confirmation for every from every carrier across the world that that app platform that rom version is available and they don't flip the switch until until that happens that's fair I supernatural fan access to me that that's that's that's my best yeah Steven do you agree um yeah they really tried to release give us the impression they're going to be things differently but it made the actual implementation may be different but the end result for users is more of the same it's it's them yes because i'm just wondering whether because a lot a lot of people are saying obviously because we're going to have apples of n on the tenth of june and what I'm just wondering is maybe after will bring out well it's going to bring iOS 7 hopeful and on the same day maybe after the after Apple has an answer Google will sweep in and say we've brought em you know unification to our services anywhere on the world anywhere they want and they can they have active you are waiting for that specifically then mark my words that will not happen this you know I'm not waiting for that to specifically but I'm just saying maybe that's what Google is going to do something to try and outshine Apple that is not a spectacular that isn't in the best I think they're gonna bring something I'm not gonna say like truly truly groundbreaking but I think they're just gonna bring something that takes the shine out of apples there now that would certainly explain why we didn't see anything really uber groundbreaking at i/o that's an intriguing theory oh god I was about to say not necessarily the same day but who knows two three four weeks after that say if apple says iOS 7 is here will be available as usually not with hardware available today but with software available in September and then in August Google will say here's angry five point O with this this this this and this and it's going to be available in one week that's what I mean I'm just I'm just saying maybe that's what Google is going to do they're gonna they're gonna try and come up with something that count wrecks because we've because a lot of people are saying iOS 7 is is make-or-break Apple has to do something groundbreaking with it and my point is I think Google has been a come up with something that's just gonna take that bit that just take a bit of shine out of iOS 7 if another google has to sweat it quite that much I mean yeah iOS 7's because looks like it's going to be a really big refresh to the design of the platform and it could you know dictate how iphone sales go over the next few years assuming this is a direction it continues but Google is doing fine they do not you know desperately need to counteract apple's announcement Yuri they can play it cool I think okay Steven let's wrap it up um say so so the episode er how can people get in touch with you if they want to just use my name i'm on twitter and i'm on and i'm on youtube as well so they can find me under that name so under zelda art Fang yo dr so that is Zed OD I a RC f 8 Angie yeah that's right good stuff thank you for talking to us and have a good weekend thank you to keep put their hard work because you do a good job thank you thank you very much and I believe with this we will wrap up the episode number 17 of pocket now live I have been Anton the not managing a jury can follow me right another point there ah i managed to point there and stephen shank our chief news attorney can follow him right I I cannot point but right you probably shouldn't follow me because I don't post the Twitter but if you 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course it's up to you and that depends on how good the product is whether they managed to convince you or not and with this I will wrap it up everybody thank you very much for joining us and hopefully talk to you soon next week next week awesome we can pocket network oh oh and that disagree yeah okay for the end phase awesome week on bucket now we'll have some some cool stuff we already have two awesome unboxings we have the verizon Lumia 928 unboxing we have the blackberry no it's it's the Sony Xperia Z tablet we will have the full reviews next week plus some new stuff so exciting things everybody have an awesome weekend thank you for joining us take care bye