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we make a smartphone into a computer using just a fancy little box and some cables we can past our lock screen with an iris scan and we get our news through Live Tiles we learn to love windows phone again if you know what I'm saying all this plus your listener mail on episode 17 25 of the pocket now weekly the once a week podcast where we discuss and dissect those gadgets that make our mobile lives go smartphones tablets wearables VR visors and beyond its all the stuff you wished existed when you were a kid I'm Michael Fisher reviews editor for pocket now and I'm sharing a beautiful fall day in the wonderful city of Boston Massachusetts with podcast producer Jules Wong our copilot on today's show as always is our chief news editor and retro tech expert the redoubtable Stephen shank of New Jersey's a you tations friend and we're like Boston tax excuse its it asked me right am i right and joining us after a long time away from only the second time ever Wow our resident Microsoft maven senior editor Adam Lane welcome back sir hello hello the time of the East Coast is 105 p.m. good afternoon viewers and good afternoon good evening good morning listeners just all point zero that's right guys did you know that with just a few lines of code you can send text messages that include alerts reminders order updates SMS marketing campaigns and instructions for app downloads well it's true with telecommunication systems incorporated's cloud messaging setter developers can easily integrate text messaging into their own mobile application back in or website as a company get this TCS handles up to six hundred seventy billion messages per year it's an average of 1.8 billion messages per day you want to hear about api's I'm going to tell you about AP is there CMC REST API allows you to send messages for alerts reminders and order updates you can also use it to send SMS marketing campaigns to drive app downloads or to increase user engage because a user who's not engaged is not a user I want to use or get used by known a man but the rest api allows you to perform messaging functions like sending receiving and scheduling messages securing delivery receipts creating groups and contacts it goes on I can't go on me you should read more about it and TCS also offers intercarrier messaging across all US wireless carriers pricing is flexible based on quantity of messages needed featuring pay-as-you-go monthly plans what more can I say go to Cloud messaging guru.com Cloud messaging guru whoo to sign up for the cloud messaging center rest api start integrating this messaging solution today listen to what I'm telling you stephen chang i love those weird tlds i have a dot link i got on the cheap I don't know why you know you could you there's no reason you don't have to explain yourself to anyone steal it's okay you do it look at look at this Adams in it Adam Lane is in his car he has a beard from ZZ Top which I love I'm sitting here with no facial hair and a Bieber haircut under a NASA hat in November oh that's wait hold is it no shave november is that what's going on but you were growing this thing as i recall back in May animal and um before we get too far into this too early even tell everyone we only have a few people watching right now that number is rapidly going to grow good every rule but tell everyone who's watching right now what kind of questions we need today Steven hot tip its Lumia questions yeah we've got the new Lumia 950 on hand here we're gonna be talking about it yeah just right oh and what were you remember we're gonna have a lot to say and I have questions I'm sure these guys have answers for me but the rest of you probably have your own we want to hear these we want to answer them on the air the only way we can do that is if you ask them so when hangouts head on over to that Q&A panel on the side there type up your answers the other viewers will rank up the ones that they like the best maybe we'll just pick the ones that we like the best because we're the ones in charge here will enter those on the air and if you maybe think of something later on about the Lumia 950 or anything else we're talking about shoot us an email cast at pocketnow.com we'll do our best to answer it on a future show here so I the q and A's or podcast pocketnow.com email we want to hear from you guys we want to hear from you and my favorite one right now my favorite Q&A currently waiting the queue is from Miguel Angel Rodriguez who says it's his first time watching live thanks for coming welcome aboard sir damn I'm ready to talk about windows which we talk about first we're gonna sound the bell in a second we got gadgets in hand coming up so before we do that let's ask Adam if he can boil down his experience it with his hands on with the anthem of the Seas cruise ship which happened a couple of weeks ago I understand Adam there were robot bartenders oh yes it was very cool very circular cups of nuts and oil and things or did they like make human drinks human drinks you get to a tablet on the side and you you press the buttons and you choose what exactly you want in a drink and the robot just reaches up to the bottles and slices some lemons and now put some ice in there I didn't know that was included that's exciting not earlier though when you talk about the robot where you said robot bartenders initially that was the pitch initially and I was really excited but to be clear they're not really like we're not talking about like a face and eyes are like a BB a troll and up to you it's like an arm leg into the bar right it's like this like yeah yeah yeah way better than I thought it would be I was expecting like Noah's coca-cola machines where you type in on the screen and it mixes the drinks for you like that sort of thing but your arms is a big step I like yeah yeah but but I I would I was I wanted like an Android in a tuxedo with rudimentary social skills so I could be like listen Bucky I'm having a rough day you know what I need and I guess of course sir you know well there were human bartenders like that too oh alright it was good to know all the human Martin does or not have not been thrown off a ship what else was feeling I've had them as a robot yeah yeah what else was on there you had touch screens everywhere as I understand it yeah and sometimes they didn't work but it was really good to be able to you you know you're lost in the hallway and soft touch screen and you could just tap on it and it which it would say this is where you are and then you could choose a different deck and you could find the restaurant that you were trying to find and it would show like a roof how to get there from here that's a pause and animate line having been on a cruise ship once in my life I can tell you it was it's not difficult to get lost on them even if you're like a ship nerd like myself I've definitely got got lost a bit this was royal caribbean right yes okay adam has a really long right up on this we actually can't spend much time talking about it let me just ask you though Adam would you would you would you sale with with royal caribbean again would you sale on this vessel similarly equipped with this sort of like a yeah you would I would go on that one again yeah man that sounds great and meanwhile if the ferry I take across Long Island Sound about once a month I can't even be bothered to put in power outlets in any place but the bar so we have a long way to go in maritime tech but the navigation is beautiful I'm getting os/2 warp or something yeah webos powered by the way the general services administration apparently still uses HP touch pads running webos so uh yeah old platforms die hard man let's do this maybe we can reintroduce some cruise ship talk later on but we got to get into windows that's what people have come to see that's what I've come to talk about sound the damn jingle and getting together man yes yes I have a gadget in hand it's the old it's the LG no i have an LG watch on my wrist but we're going to talk about that later this is a microsoft lumia a lumia 950 and as you may notice it has a mozo custom case on the custom back battery door this is courtesy Adam Lane who is on the show with us right now he overnighted these to me he hasn't even got his lumia yet but he overnighted his only two accessory covers healthy selfless what a wonderful guy uh and it completely doesn't feel it Adam it feels like hell I mean I haven't even given it the smell test yet what kind of freaking noob am I oh yeah no it smells like Little League man that was fantastic now I was about to pop this sucker off but I realized that unlike the custom excuse me I'm like the stock case which has a little notch in it we taking it off there is no such notch on this so i guess you put it on once and then you leave it on forever is that right i've got i actually actually having a real problem okay well this is going to stay on this phone for the duration of the show i was going to put on the stock one but as you can see the stock back cover what everyone has been saying which by the way is what everyone who was with Adam and me were saying when we first went hands-on with this thing is true it's it's very it's very three years ago nokia it's it's it's sort of this like you know it's polycarbonate it feels okay but it doesn't have anything fancy colors or crazy neons that they used to do and it's thinner now than then a lot of the older Lumias by a long shot it's lighter as well but it also lacks any sense of being like a high-end device so this leather cover which is by the way again from mozo they are not a sponsor but we want everyone to know where to get them mo zo it really changes everything and it even makes the sides of the phone into like a faux metal cuz I think it's a real ya know it's not real metal but it looks real doesn't it yeah you don't even need a crappy webcam in person it looks real too oh there's the tab it's on the front I see ok so anyway i'll click this is the Lumia 950 Adam you have not ordered yours yet right or you haven't made your decision whether you're going to buy the 950 or 950 XL is that correct no not yet all right I've only spent about two days with it but we're gonna try and give you an early inkling as far as whether you should buy an atom you've carried a windows phone since what 2002 yes okay and you were at it really existed yeah when they first exists as pocket pcs right and you were an early adopter of Windows Phone 7 that's correct right yes yep so you are microsoft target customer and I mean that really specifically i spoke to microsoft yesterday before prepping some of this list Adams and Hubert yeah yeah she was number 16 on the low that's was Adams Elaine for target customer no but Microsoft specifically when it went on to say during this during this interview that there were basically three target you know groups for the Lumia 950 950 XL one of them the first one they wanted to talk about was long time windows phone fans who've been waiting for a flagship now for 20 months since the Lumia icon and 15 20 before that so I think my question for is going to be did my question to see if Sir figure out an answer firstly is whether or not this is a worthwhile device for a long-term Windows fan like you Adam and well as you know i'm excited so i'm not entirely sure because windows 10 mobile kind of removes a lot of features there's no more a glance screen with the weather on it if there's no more than that there's no more double tap to answer your double tap to wake either yeah there's a couple missing things I'm sorry I didn't mean to take that long a pause i was just saying I I think the I think the question is sort of a cop-out because I think if you're a Windows Phone fan you have to get this what else are you going to do I mean Adam you can't even you can't sit there and keep using your 10-20 with the Lumia with the Windows 10 you know insider build on it right i don't know i'll keep 8.1 maybe welcome for the longest time it felt like everyone was saying we're waiting for the flagship are waiting for Windows 10 well you got it now you can waiting for the surface phone that may or may not be coming but right this is it so let's talk about what you get if you decide not to stick with you Adam if you decide that the 1020 you're willing to give up to 41 megapixels for what looks to be a camera that's damn near as good even though it has about half the resolution but let's talk about the good things you get that you can leave behind you can leave behind that that older screen resolution this phone has a 4k dispersed no it doesn't this one has a quad HD display which really does windows 10 a lot of justice many corners of the stock experience are optimized for it it looks tremendously good it runs on a snapdragon 808 processor which we've seen run several android phones pretty well it runs windows 10 quite smoothly some of the stock apps are absolutely gorgeous I know you can get those on some of the older phones but like outlook looks tremendous on this phone I must look at removable battery microSD slot you've got it let's plus a lot thanks and don't forget that unlocking the phone with a fingerprint is just so passe when you and you can just look at it with Windows hello and it unlocks based on an iris scan which actually is is pretty quick this is probably my number one like positive surprise because while it is that it like up the nose up to knows what I got like a waste shot down here yeah yeah let me uh let me do it i have i've tried it in many different things apparently now if you're watching this or listen to this and you just got a 950 of your own it is it imperative that you train windows hello several times in several different lighting situations because that makes it much more accurate what's gonna happen in the summer will work with your like sunglasses on or something yeah apparently will work if you have glasses on oh actually i can try that right now i have my fake berlin glasses right in front of me but while i'm putting these on and trying it out to sea i just want to say like I found this I thought this was going to be the lamest thing ever I thought this was going to be like I gotta hold it up like this and wait I'd be like Android faith unlock I did and you know it's actually quite fast now it's looking for me with the glasses move closer hello Michael ya know it glasses don't bother which is terrific I'll quick too yeah I know and it does work sometimes in the dark in pitch black it has a hard time even though it has an IR sensor so it's a little weird but still in beta so lets you know good stuff can we talk about the most fun thing do you know what the most fun thing is going to be Adam what come on come on that's not continuum yes dave was gonna say Stephen yeah so maybe we can get Jules to run the two run my hands on once again which he was doing before and will show everybody watching what they're missing if they haven't seen that hands-on yet yesterday I put I plugged this phone into the display doctor came with it I plugged that display dock into an HP monitor 27 for something HP monitor and then I paired the phone via bluetooth with the folding microsoft keyboard they sent and an arc mouse that I've been wanting to buy forever so I'm glad to finally give me please can do it they're really cool by the way I like the arc mouse I haven't it's been so long as I've been able to kick-out about Microsoft this is so much fun so I plug the thing in and I knew it was going to be interesting I didn't expect it to feel like magic and maybe I should have expected to be pretty easily impressed I don't know but when you plug your smartphone into a monitor and the monitor comes alive and it looks like windows and it has a start menu down at the bottom and it shows you're running apps down there with it and has a notification tray like regular windows but it's all your phone it's kind of like a in a sous padfone experience blown up 40 million time like like way cooler somehow because it's a desktop and you know you fire up Microsoft Word and you hammer out a document which I did I made a stupid for sale post tricks it was the first thing I clicked on or you you open up the browser and it's the full internet I mean it'sit's Microsoft edge on a massive 2427 inch screen whatever it is I mean it and it's all running from your phone it's really it's a fast it's a fascinating feeling and impressive it is um there's downside so we'll get to those in a second but for the first hour you're just sitting there as I've shown you i was watching bob ross for a bit i was watching netflix uh I even this is a Productivity device clearly clearly no well you know when I took a break from my office binge you know um but I also did something I never thought I'd be able to do on a windows phone which was have a conversation in google hangouts on my windows phone cuz i was just using the Microsoft edge browser to do it it was it was profoundly satisfying in the geekiest way I know how to express did you do any gaming on it I tried that was one of the down points and were gonna get to know because you gotta remember it's all coming from the phone so this is a Snapdragon 808 which is a solid processor but it's a mobile gaming processor and the architecture is steps that you can't like you can't go to install a pc game cuz it's not you know even though it's Windows 10 it's not available run yeah Adam can you explain that for did why that is what why what the processor architecture differences between a Windows 10 Phone and Windows 10 a high-end Windows 10 computer yeah the Windows 10 computers are all running an x86 processor which is the architecture that's been used on PCs for you know decades and decades so all the programs are designed to run on that cpu architecture and so on the phone you have ARM processors which are completely different it's exactly the same problem with windows RT you know that surface RT could only run software that was designed for ARM processors so right so that's at that special thing yeah that that's a that's a sort of downside so you very quickly start to butt up against the limitations of the continuum experience you know you somebody was asking in the chat I think isn't it weird that the continuum makes for a version of Windows that doesn't let you put things into windows and it's true you can only run apps in full screen screen oh yeah but then when you minimum you like when you call up the multitasking screen it's the same as in Windows 10 it's all the tiles with all the you know with all the running apps inside them and you can close pick and choose and close them and there's other stuff that hangouts conversation was great but I was only able to like go through two volleys before the phone ran out of RAM or the browser ran out of rama thai really the page question about that are we talking about a voice conversation or with video and i was talking that was to just a text conversation and curious what the accessory situation is like Emily no can connect keyboards and mice but could you hook up like a webcam and have that on there on your monitor and do a whole skype chat or something it's a very good question i mean the phone incorporates obviously two cameras but could you write like if it's on your desk could be weird to be looking into that one right all right we know android allows that with like things like the sony QX those those self-contained cameras you can do Adam do you do you happen to know if the time your head whether the windows mobile apps for that I doubt it I have it better I feel like if they want to take continuum to its logical conclusion they're probably going to enable something like that if this so yeah we have to listen okay well with intel processors cuz I'm Baker part I think they had to make a phone with it intel x86 processor so that when you plug it into a big mater its actual Windows 10 right suddenly becomes much more appealing to me sure absolutely something with an Intel processor maybe another gig of ram because this has three gigs of ram which is fine but another gig of ram wouldn't hurt right what else is something uh I'm trying to thinking a faster cooling saluted charging solution rather because when you plug this in via type see in the screen is off a charge is fine but in continuum the screen is always on on the phone so it charges at this like glacial pace part of that is because you can use the phone as a track pad which is actually pretty cool you don't have to go buy a separate mouse the phone can service your ads nice fat yeah I would love to see something like with the surface book where you have like a dedicated GPU in the UH in the continuum dog yeah oh yeah that would be interesting and the surface but proves that Windows 10 can handle that just fine you can just plug in plug and play Wow um I want to leave time for for Adam to ask questions I'm gonna leave time for some of the QA but I just want to touch on a couple of the the negatives we ran into as well uh I really like doing my email on this phone I like Outlook I like the way the calendar works i like all the stock apps are really pretty and really beautiful as always but for the how long Stephen how long have you been doing this podcast duh 20 minutes ish no I'm over the entire thing to hold the whole show the whole series oh yes I don't know okay alright so 2012 yeah I've been saying this about Windows Phone since 2012 all the stock stuff is beautiful the third party apps are are not there and not only are they not there they're backsliding where we've banks leaving the hotel tonight one of my favorite apps of all time just announced that it is laying people off and as a result they can't support their windows development apps anymore anymore the facebook app i think the beta release just got a new release and we're gonna get you one left they don't get around a building him but um yeah but that's the Microsoft one the Microsoft one just left beta facebook is building its own app suite so we're waiting for that until then the existing app is terrible the Twitter app is two versions behind the instagram app is three versions behind its it's a wasteland and it sucks so that sucks so what if your if you care about any of that this still isn't the phone for you so I asked Microsoft I was like well who's then who is this going to be for and specifically in terms of continuum who is this going to be 4 and Microsoft's had this really cool target customer of these shared workspaces you know like we were and stuff like that and their whole thing was well what if you had instead of a bunch of computers at these workspaces with all their associated expenses and security rationale and so what if you just had a whole bunch of DisplayPort docks and monitors and keyboards and people who had windows phones could come in and plug in and just work from there and then take their phones with them when they go it's a great idea but this is going to make the kind of capital investment with the windows market share being what it is that's the thing I want I do wonder if Microsoft is going to be willing to maybe oh you hate some of that cost up front great like a way to get it out there kind of a loss leader but to make that investment people say oh I could be doing all this if only I had the right phone right right we're like the immediate analogy jumps my mind is the starbucks charging pads the PMA charging pads they put in everything I way I always talk about these things right and people I just watch it almost everyday people come in they try to put their iPhone on the hood so cool how come it doesn't work it's like oh you got to get a samsung like it just turns the coffee shop into this massive marketing cloud for the galaxy line so it's not a perfect analogy but what do you think about that Adam do you think that this would this kind of thing would work to them or is this a continuum kind of like a pipe dream I think it's a repeat of the surface RT and Windows RT issue just because of the the compatibility issue with the architecture if it was like the surface pro is is becoming pretty popular because a cam run all those win32 programs that everybody uses in business but no without that it's kind of well I can run office and outlook but what else present situation going to be getting a lot better going forward I mean Microsoft has for a while now been talking about universal apps and it didn't really happen with Windows 8 you were hoping but now with Windows 10 I mean a year from now are we going to see this app compatibility issue become much less of an issue than it is now or these legacy systems gonna just refuse to go away and just drag the whole experiment down that's a really good question been 30 years right time we tried to get rid of these legacy programs yeah protected mode man Adam um you have written a number of pieces that I've liked very much at pocket now because you and I share I think similar feelings about the current state of windows r on mobile I think windows phone 7 was groundbreaking and very bold windows phone 8 sort of continued some of that but now we have Windows 10 which is beautiful and a nice and tight and everything but I think they've really abandoned my yourself is really abandoned a lot of what made Windows Phone special can you talk about some of that stuff just briefly like what what you like and what you don't about the direction the platform is taken lately yeah like the it's starting to go with hamburger buttons at the top which you know we can't reach those when you're holding the phone with one hand but right everybody else designs there are apps like that even though it's kind of stupid where's windows phone 7 was really designed to both look unique and be readable and useful everything was type that you could read if you were if you understood English where's now everything is going towards cryptic icons that nobody understands and there's no way of showing a tooltip that'll tell you what it is well on some of the windows 10 you have them at the bottom and you press the ellipses button and then then you can read it it's bright but in a lot of cases these icons are hidden and not understandable and it takes a lot of learning to figure out what what these things are going to do do you think it's too late to get microsoft to change some of this i mean we know that in the edge browser initially they had moved the address bar to the top for the windows 10 1 then there was a massive outcry and now when you go into the edge browser they've moved it back down to the bottom where you can easily access it with a thumb which makes a lot more sense do you think that we can change some other UI elements just in terms just by using user feedback yeah I think so i think they've done a lot of changes because of all that feedback that we've been giving them ya know i think there is hope i think that's right here's an example of what Adam was talking about when i go into cortana on the phone which is a little blown out here sorry by the way really frustrating when you have an AMOLED screen that you know is capable of getting weighed more than this but this is and I have a crappy webcam everyone watches the show every week what knows this but this is the dimmest possible setting criminy for the LCD and if you're just listening to the show the video is just I mean I'm just holding up a white square it's supposed to be black or gray on the background there that's supposed to be great because its course I'm supposed to don't worry it's yeah the black is real black it's actually really beautiful display I just wish you got dimmer but in Cortana if I want to access the notebook or settings or anything I have to go to that hamburger button in the upper left which is this stupid thing that iOS introduced in 2007 and God knows why everybody copied them and it's the worst would wait did it it was a facebook that it what the dinner first that's why I seem to have heard wait so Facebook did it what how do i wait before the iphone existed yeah i'm pretty sure the early I iphone had all the buttons at the bottom and in tabs at the bottom no I mean it had tabs in some apps but the back button has always been in the upper left on the on iOS right oh that's right the backbone yeah yeah the bag I were talking about the hamburger I'm sorry we're we're talking it sort of doesn't matter it seems like whatever the most useful control is it's going to be placed in the upper left on average on how to parse iphone the first iphone had a screen size that you could actually reach right with your fingers right so it wasn't an issue yeah dr. have giant screens all the bunch at the top you can't reach that yeah Stephen did you get logged up by Google a and D authentication happens to the best of us friend Adam what is there is there stuff that you've been sitting on I know you gotta go soon so I want to make sure that we get every last opportunity to to answer some of your questions here which will be the users questions as well so while I look at the Q&A hit me with with what you want to know broiler um well I have one thing to mention a good throw back if you're looking at continuum search pocket now for the see Leo red fly companion from 2008 that did the same thing on windows mobile 6 what are you talking about what are you talking about whatever their review this was it was a laptop size device with you know a large cup size screen full keyboard you plug it into a stone oh just with a wire like a wire into it okay and you've had a larger screen windows phone well windows mobile at the time actually Wow and we do have a video review oh my god we had a look on that splash screen all you got to do folks if you want to make logo for yourself all you gotta do just italicized some block text on a blue background boom done temple red fly all one word looking up everybody re DFL why this thing looks like something that Stephen shank would have piled up in his office next to his old speaking of oh what fun I'm gonna watch a video Thank You Adam so do you I wonder if content I hope continuum doesn't go the way of the red fly cool uh while we have you on the air I want to say that Sunil I'm just going to say so Neil has a great great question here given Microsoft has shown a lot of interest in making dope android apps and the general lack of apps for Windows Phone do you see Microsoft ever making an android phone or a dual boot this is a question I've been thinking of recently Adam what do you think well there was a time when they had the nokia X and they were still selling that as microsomes oh that kind of counts as an android phone yeah well they kill they killed that right quick though I think that was an Elop experiment or you know just a nokia mutiny he couldn't couldn't go down uh oh god i still did sad thinking about that go ahead there have been rumors about dual boot windows phone android phones from other manufacturers so it sounds like it could be a possibility it's absolutely it's technically possible i mean we saw the One m8 did it just fine it didn't dual boot necessarily but yeah identical hardware just loaded with different software I feel like Windows is much more secure boot system than a lot of Android can of a very lockdown boot and certainly we carry carrier editions tend to go this way but I think it's a lot harder to put android on a Windows Phone then it might be vice versa if that code were available mm-hmm unless it was an hd2 oh of course i can run everything Jan strassky Nexus sick I like this math Nexus 6p + Chromebook 499 + 2 49 versus lumia 950 + doc bus monitor + keyboard mouse 5 99 + 99 + let's say two hundred dollars if continuum is for someone who does not have a computer why would you prefer the Microsoft option it's a compelling question it's the question I asked I mean do you is there is there a compelling reason to choose the more expensive option in this case that you guys can think of I don't know I feel like with Microsoft would love it if you didn't need to go out and buy all this new hardware to use the continuum doc it does have hdmi out doesn't it yes it does so you plug it into your television in the living room not good and do type of type it up you don't have to get a fancy bluetooth keyboard you can plug a USB one in as a cheap is free just steal one from work probably a bunch in a closet somewhere or I should mention that you can also use it with miracast as well so if you have a miracast Amy already there's your monitor boom yeah I think that's right I think Microsoft is hoping that this accessory hardware were either just in your home already but more pertinently exists in your office already or be a compelling enough cell to your office purchaser that hey we can build an ecosystem out of this and we can take this you can take your phone and there is something deeper to upgrade phones when yea rather you invest once in the keyboards mice monitors at all and then you get a new phone every couple years everyone can upgrade on their their own schedule and it's just it's a lot easier than managing all these like big model with the computers and I'm starting I'm hesitant to sound like a shell here because I'm just sort of I am admittedly just dreaming up excuses to make continuum work but there is something compelling about and i said this with the ax suzanne phone to know the ax sous padfone yeah as well there is something compelling did not having to do with the cloud not having to deal with like it was this on this unit or not to have to move this file it's all on the phone it's you're just changing what you used interact with the phone and there's something really cool about that in a very like 1997 concept of the future kind of way which sounds like a dig but it's not it's like it's it's actually kind of kind of cool inconvenient Adam go ahead alright I gotta take off you gotta go man adamant people love seeing you come on the show more please okay well thanks a lot man not a great time take it easy later see ya Adam Lane giver of the leatherback for the phones windows phone expert since before I was born great beard holder things all great things all things to all people yeah great to see Adam appearing on the pod says I is to van Oh who's been with us before thank you is Finn how's that camera asks arjun pc in our last few minutes of this segment it seems to be it seems it's a lot of fun to use i'll tell you that having a dedicated camera button steven is it the bee's knees I wouldn't know I ever had a phone with dedicated camera button do you harassing on man you are missing out because yeah I just pressed and held it and it activated lika no I take that back my first gen droid did your first generation droid oh yeah that did have it yeah i hearing you right you true but yeah this camera is it seems to be quite capable not quite the not quite the what's it called Oh like annihilating it landscape obliterating superiority that the Lumia 1020 enjoyed not just because the 1020 was a massive sensor in like a 41 megapixel cameras sucked and the iphone camera was good but it wasn't like or whatever windows phone had an opportunity to to go and make itself the camera platform and it did do it successfully yeah for a bit and then well we missed out on a cycle and now we have this sort of mmm-hmm this hardware yeah yeah yeah oh gosh now will but will answer that question more completely in the full review Thor gleam do not worry about it Jonas come out Microsoft should put multi-window support on windows 10 mobile once it's more polished yeah would agree with that I I am a big fan of multi windows and a matter how small the screen gets bring them on me too I mean he's my pinky I poked around that little close icon in the corner there yeah that's is around we'll just need a full screen calculator you know certain things are meant or smaller windows that's that's exactly right well you would you like to pop over things like the lake that LG does oh absolutely I guess wish it you know work to eat it was more built in and you can see this with every app Amanda Lopez it house battery life and do you think it's worth it to switch from Android I don't think the battery life is very good but not even how big is it long enough it's 3,000 milliamp hours which you know huh good times right but my deal is this I read an article on wired the other morning on this phone which was a text only article it took me twenty one minutes to read it or son or 25 minutes to read it it was an article about um Star Wars and JJ Abrams from stuff and it was great article and I enjoyed myself and then when I was done I found that even at half brightness or maybe even twenty-five percent brightness I can't recall that 25 minutes of reading a text only article in the browser cost me eleven percent of my battery go that should not be the case now but girlfriend report similar drain on her iphone 6 period not success but that's a much smaller battery and the iphone 6 is not lauded for its crazy endurance so that makes sense this is a 3000 milliamp hour battery pack so i don't know if i have the OS to blame her if it's Microsoft edge or if it's the quad HD display but and it does run hot by the way I'm cooking up this piece in my head Stephen I think it's about time somebody wrote the piece that says the Snapdragon 808 runs feels like it runs hotter than the 810 or anything else for degree yeah every phone / I've held powered by the 808 like the the Privy experis this is how to yeah without your infrared thermometer there I did did you see I did that a blackberry prive review I saw that yeah yeah if they think got up to 119 degrees crazy anyone not to cook fish other question do you think it's worth it to switch from Android no not if you're not if you're built into the Android ecosystem that if you're baked into it every periodically I will go check others other reviewers because a lot of reviews landed today because some people had our oh yes all Haslett yeah some people had the phone for longer then some people had the phone for just as long and decided to do a two-day review I ain't judging but anyway I loved many of those reviews I actually don't think I found one that I didn't like and even the ones who are from like not not not independent sites but like you know Windows Windows fan sites yeah even those basically said the same thing and which I was which I was not surprised to see like know if you're if you're depend on the Android ecosystem or the iOS ecosystem now you didn't know this isn't the phone that's gonna that's that's going to make it worth it for you to leave like there's a lot of cool stuff here but it's still the inherent limitations of windows are still there once again we're waiting for the long term play we're waiting for these universe apps to happen Steven those context links can you tell me while I'm looking at the QA can you tell me what what we haven't gotten to I think that there was some news about the bridge the windows the iOS to Windows apps bridge can you brief us on that well the iOS the these are the tools and Microsoft announced back in the spring to make it easy for developers to bring existing apps from other competing mobile platforms to Windows 10 as a whole not just mobile but also on desktop as well like I've mentioned a bunch of ways that developers could bring apps win32 compatibility with you know layer on there html5 web based apps would also iOS and Android stuff and iOS we saw Microsoft release early tools a few months back for developers to start bringing objective c based programs over to windows 10 and it's coming along well the company has posted an update recently about the new versions of the tool better support for some api's and things it's coming along strongly expect to see I don't know how many iOS developers will take Microsoft up on the offer to to bring their apps because it's not a lot of effort to it's designed not to be a lot of effort to bring them over to windows 10 but again there has to be you know the hook there to make it worth their while if there's gonna be the users and they're interested in doing this or if the people who already are using it they have it on their iPhone they don't really want to them Windows 10 that remains to be seen android though is is a little bit more of a sticky subject because it was supposed to be this Android compatibility layer built in and astoria yeah that's it and zaps but have the same easy access to tools to bring their existing Android apps over to windows 10 now that sort of sounds like it's falling apart and if it does happen it's not going to be nearly out of a timeline we were hoping for Microsoft's not developing as many resources this as it is to the iOS program it's just not sounding very good that's interesting because you would think you know not not knowing more about the the inner workings of this that Android compatibility it seems easy we've seen lots of other platforms do this already to one extent or another and open source it feels like it should be really easy to make a system like Windows 10 able to run you know we have BlueStacks and stuff like this or emulators out there shore but is this low level and really polished way of having Apps package for Windows 10 that are initially Android is proving to be far more difficult than I think a lot of people gave it credit for yeah people are asking why it's if we have any idea why Microsoft has dropped it I don't even think that they've made that official yet the middle earth angel everyone is saying that yeah I hear from multiple sources that it's just completely bag it's impossible to see all the public things they are saying about the windows for iOS Briggs and and to realize that because haven't been making these announcements on Android tools the silence is telling in and of itself yeah indeed which you know that's fine it I OS certainly has a great app ecosystem so i don't i don't know if they can entice enough iOS developers to develop for Windows 10 you know I think they are going to be relying a lot on this promise of the combined platform like your writing it for Windows 10 so you're writing up for desktop laptop and tablet on me all I have stuff so uh we'll have to see how it goes but it is a little discouraging to to see that I thought this was gonna launch I thought windows 10 mobile was going to launch with that stuff in place you know yeah there's a lot of stuff we thought they went long to it thank God that the windows hello did end up being available even in Vega I was just gonna say Jenna again in the chat at what feature besides continuum do you like the most about the 950 and windows 10 mobile yeah I through the windows hello is is getting up there I think not just a gimmick I don't know maybe it is but I'm allowed to like a gimmick right yeah if it works well I like how it works too it doesn't like take a photo of your iris or anything it like correlates positions of Mark points on our iris if no way it's different like a hash I'm not doing a retina scan or anything so elaborate there right how well it is I mean it seems very good at recognizing you once you train it for that have you tried this with any other people who might it be of similar bill to see if it's able if they're able to trick it into authenticating now but apparently this is safe against even twins all right we heard about that yeah so I and I don't know i'll try it with a photo of myself and but i don't think it's going to work i think this thing is pretty in pink the infrared bit might be to help distinguish against photos it could well be yeah because it can't just be for nighttime soap because it doesn't do well enough at nighttime arjun pc both she and PMA for 950 right yes both wireless chattering standards are supported fast charging their well it's USB type-c so it charges relatively relatively quickly anyway i don't know i don't know what we're watching on the media feed but i have a feeling i like it oh wait yeah I don't hello this is the video for hello yeah that sculpture in the control no I get it god that's a sad song in that hmm anyway we'll get to a couple of those folks keep on dropping your knowledge or your questions image hat we're gonna get to some of those we got to get to the ol news bit if you know what I mean Steven I purposely kept the news count low because i have to go can I be can I I you know what have to go do you some truth yeah if it sounds like like the scent I like the red light when it's trying to read your face by the way um it that be infrared LED or just like a notifications the infrared then yeah I wish Windows Phone had a notification light Jules is gonna be so happy with us now that we've switched segments and are still talking about the windows from yeah you know that do you have to play the song backwards now reckon we haven't said the trigger word yet um I have to go unbox the ipad pro which is such a tech reviewer problem but I really do feel like a like burdened to do it to be frank I've been trying to get out of it all week because we have the ipad pro in house but we don't have the keyboard or the pencil so i don't know why i hate the fact that I have to like start covering it without those crucial accessories but yeah oh it's also yeah but I don't know I i think that i think that the important thing to remember for everyone frankly is that the ipad pro is just another device and you know websites websites are a little more important than devices you ever built a website Steven uh yeah it's hard like this is hard it is hard a building website can be hard I can be tougher than trying to build a smooth segue into a podcast 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doing quite well other manufacturers are seeing their fortunes turn a different direction novo Motorola they not doing so good microsoft also when those phone users have sort of been it's doing well in certain markets around the globe so a third biggest right well that's not saying a hell of a lot is it well I'd better than better than fifth biggest I guess yeah yeah um but it's been losing some share gonna get all just today you deal with it all right I'm just I'm just a Microsoft apologist for the show you understand well with Adam left someone has to be yeah but uh we haven't had the really strong phones for a while now like we said it's been 20 months since we got a real flagship model so maybe this is gonna be just a dip and not the beginning of a slide a dip comes back up beginning and end up there so and I'm not gonna say the sky is falling just yet but Microsoft you might want to start carrying an umbrella around word mmm yeah they're all kinds of tactical questions we got answer it nobody though is having quite the week that LG is this has been the strangest roller coaster in a long time so last week if you didn't tune in to the podcast I was on the air talking about the watch i'm wearing right now the LG watch urbane second additional te super awesome on our time and what you know i was actually having a pretty good time with it she had a little struggles with it right but by and large it's a nice looking watch as this next generation android we're here with cellular connectivity there's a lot to like about this there isn't it even looks pretty good i mean it has to be big to do its job but it actually looks pretty good for a big ol watch so it's not surprising you might be interested in going out and picking one of these guys up only well good luck with that now so some people did though right it was on Zeile from what was I like three or four days it was on sale for maybe a little bit more almost a week AT&T announced it early in the month verizon followed up I think stale sales started at the carrier's like yeah like last week sometime but a Friday or something yeah yeah and now LG all of a sudden saying nope we're done with this something's wrong with it we're not saying what but uh uh a game over outright canceling their plans for the smart one hasn't been like any press release or anything about this that I've seen but they sent out these notices do they let us present yeah I told you yes I do sorry i meant his pass that on to you right away and you had to site another ya know we had this yeah but so yeah something's wrong something wrong with a hardware we're taking they mentioned something with the hardware with a czy unfixable via software update but we don't know what i mean you you had problems with the cellular connection right we're not drop the signal and no yeah i think i'd problems with the without Wi-Fi or it was one of the connections I don't know oh it jet yeah it was wonky with cellular you require to restart at one point but that I it was like a very easily fixed problem that I never came back it was just one of those things that sometimes happens so it sort of thing that sounds like the glitch that you might be able to you patch via the sort of bug fix update so always come like a month or two into a new products like right so what the hell was so very very wrong I wonder if it's doing something wrong unlike a on a regulatory level this sounds like this the very sudden reaction the you know we're not trying to fix us we're just stopping this now to me suggests this might be like an FCC thing like it's it's broadcasting a tad too high power or doing something that would get them in big trouble huh well actually right yeah there's um there's so yeah I've got a little something yeah it wasn't i don't think i can say any of this but yeah so yeah how about that sorry so we do have one hold on to that you gotta collect those like them on your hands that's the thing like there was no notice there was no like please return all units immediately for immediate destruction and maybe implies that my theory there is not right at all pick me I don't know and there was also like no no like coverage stoppage order or anything like that not that they could have done that but they didn't even try to be like also if you could just not review it that'd be great they've just like sorry we're not selling this anymore sorry have you ever seen anything like this from a product we've covered I was trying to recall it was anybody anything has been canceled in such a manner where it was out Adonai like there was that thing with there was some like huawei phone on t-mobile they stopped selling because i thought people were gonna rip the battery out of it do you remember this oh yeah there's the zmax there was a ZTA Ozzy team yeah I just I'm yeah i don't know i mean there's so many components in these things that it could be could be any one of them let's let's let's just move on and hope that there's a LG watch urbane third edition on it and what a time it doesn't happen holiday shopping I know I know oh Jules Jules is surmising that the watch band has is a is poisonous it was actually a dog flea collar on there and when it turned out to me move this over here I'm gonna keep wearing my hand I mean I've already got a paired to my devices not that I've got a windows phone now so screw it i don't i don't get to wear anything but the man let's move on um what the hell is the next time of thing what the hell in de is it the image is that the good morning america think now it's better pepsico because i felt this lacking in my life where we have phones associated with various brands you can go out get your Porsche phone get your aurori phone where's Ben the soft-drink phone man Ivan who has got it by the way if you are if you feel inclined to go watch the Pepsi man video on youtube if you haven't seen it yet don't do it at your office it is not safe for work but it is hilarious so if there are no children around watch it on your phone hey watch it on your yet watch it on your Lumia hook it up to your big you're big thing anyway this is not related at Pepsi man this is almost as ridiculous it's a Pepsi phone vagina and I like this headline shamelessly shamelessly Pepsi is seeking crowdfunding for this because you know they don't have enough money to just like I was judgmental when double did the crowdfunding game for it's a for the pebble time but this is just that I can I can rationalize that if there's no right no making sense understand why pet what would do a thing like that but this is Pepsi they made more money than coca-cola in the last night Cody's nice interior softer sixty six billion dollars in income or something I don't know if that's grows her net that's a probably indicates that I did you do and do not have a degree in business and you know that's my money my complaint about this thing I mean there's a lot of reasons to have objections to the existence of this product to how it's being sold I just don't think it's Pepsi enough I mean there's this little tiny silver Pepsi logo that's barely on the back there it's smaller than the fingerprint scanner I wouldn't like a big blue and red swoop going around I want it like a Pepsi phone absolutely the Pepsi phone I completely agree the jewels makes the point that this is also yum brands behind this so it could just as easily like hotel phone taco bell phone talk about phone they should rebrand the engage as a time would have been sweet missed opportunity every one opportunity marketing people KFC what would the say the Taco Bell app is fantastic is it have you used this thing no I've used the Domino's happened that's a really good app 20 if you use and listeners automation things now you have one week left in this promotion if you use the Taco Bell app and you pay with a your visa card half price damn mm-hmm half-price tacos get on while they last get them while they are room temperature mm-hmm speaking of getting things being given things good morning america for some reason I haven't read this story because this is ridiculous giggles wrote it so maybe he'll let us know in the chat apparently there was for some reason good morning america decided have a 40 hour long episode this is a 40th anniversary Madison oh it's like this out of nowhere okay okay well good for them then that's all excellent morning would like to watch TV at some people like you asleep early hours of the day and I woke up earlier than usual today and I had like I had a hangover and I had not done any drinking last night it was one of those things Rose like man this is Peabody decided to hate you I was reading you know what you know why it was I fell asleep last night reading about fatal familial insomnia have you heard of this I am familiar with it it's not a prion based it is a prion disease kills you by not allowing you to sleep and there's no cure it's it's terrifying read about it if you want to be terrorists so definitely read about this before going to bed before going to bed yeah let's do some great dreams that way I didn't sleep very well last night but anyway good morning america gave away the used a 40 hour non-stop broadcast that started at five p.m. eastern time on november seventeenth and went for 40 hours from there and uh apparently if you were near abc's times square studios the COO of blackberry gave away 40 privs to people which look at times i like this this is some relatively high profile promotion for blackberry which I don't like blackberry it exists in in the US and these people who are very strong supporters of it but you don't really see a lot least I don't see a lot of blackberry promotional efforts out there like you know you want it if you want it you go and get it but in volume and I don't think they're under any illusions that these things are gonna going to to move in Cygnus Microsoft is very much playing a long game I think I exact that's that's the what I've been meaning to say thank you stephen for you much-needed brevity um what's up with the hair michael i missed the hair ivan you run out of prod what's going on what I said what I felt I woke up with a hangover I didn't even get to drink to play trackpad and keyboard as of right now it's rare to find monitors mouse and keyboard that doesn't have a cpu tower with it and i think this solves it in addition it'll be so useful for places like public transit platens or study hall that don't have computers who wants to the type stuff on their phone for more than 15 minutes what do you guys think this is just like that was at Redfin front of the red red red fly yeah it is but the red fly had like a cable right like you couldn't plug it on right away yeah it is just like the real fight I don't think it would go very far I'd but we were just saying before how the PadFone was such a cool idea just wasn't executor terribly well I'd like to see this yeah but there's some big problems making this I don't think that when you're building a laptop that the the big expense is the the processor the RAM it's the display it's the batteries other combustible in making the the shell of the whole thing so they're still going to be expensive and it's a be difficult to sell users on this with yes if you had a doc style thing you can upgrade your phone you're essentially upgrading laptop at the whole time it might be a better long-term investment but I don't know that it's going to be that easy to convince shoppers of this also you know for talking about a doc and not a cable like that old Windows Mobile one used all right how is it going to fit every phone and fit them well you know we're dealing with different sizes here the continued on Doc that connect via cable you have to worry about the phones shape and size with a doc it's a lot more complicated and especially with a mobile device where you want things to be nice and snug and secure that's a lot more difficult to do universally yeah ultimately and I know we're watching an old the actual hands-on video this thing in Brandon looks like he's 14 it's great um I think that these are the this is a great example of a product that I would like and that i think i would actually use I don't think there are many people who are who share that opinion though particularly not for the amount of money it would probably cost mm but I am that doesn't change the fact that I think it's that I would probably buy one if I were going to go all in with the windows ecosystem you want to Ryan's email yeah okay Ryan writes hey guys had a quick question in regards to continue on so this new feature is only for brand new Lumia devices announced with continuum I'm interested in windows so him for quite some time this features definitely a game-changer but why couldn't the update come to older phones like the Lumia icon the specs seem fine if not just a little bit underpowered and older devices would probably sell like hotcakes if users girls to take advantages new feature seems to me Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot by turning away interested parties like myself what are your thoughts do I expect too much of them thanks guys love the show as always thanks Ryan ah this is a very good question and I think a lot of us were asking this right when continuous first announced were like a Microsoft was very clear this is going to need new hardware have we heard a good reason for why this is no I was actually just looking at the microsoft forums for there are a lot of discussions about this and a lot of answers back and forth and it seems like some of the hardware on some of the older Lumas would be capable of doing it I'm sure there's probably a hacky way to do it these things you know that the new Lumia is our custom sort of custom build for this you've got USB type-c which is a faster you know which offers faster data through it right and then you've got the wireless option as well of course right because remember we're sending you dealing with a live display of percival resolution here not to mention communication with accessories all simultaneously over that one USBC port that's a lot of data to be going through there right and I think that I'm sure that it could be made to work with USB 2.0 devices but i think the bottle like there would come this is i have not done the research to answer this question properly but it seems to me that if this phone struggles to when I the browser open in continuum i was using Microsoft edge to browse full on web pages it was cool it was fun but it also couldn't handle more than a handful of tabs at a time and the tabs wouldn't reload I'd go between you know it's not like a desktop where you can click between 85 tabs and it's fine like I'd go from the fourth one to the first one and it would sit there and it wouldn't immediately reload it would sit there and like fool me into thinking the page was still there and then it would finally cave and but I'm just playing I got to reload it and then it would take forever to reload it and that's with a modern you know hexa core processor with the Lumia icon what are we talking about on snap 800 there and what was the RAM on there more importantly yeah I think it was only i think was on the two gigs so you know that the i think there is a hardware bottleneck i'm certain that it's there's a hacky way to get around it if you feel like Microsoft is just being greedy and trying to take your money but I don't think that's what they're doing I think they're it really is a performance thing I think it's right on the edge even with modern hardware guys even if it weren't I find it hard to fall Microsoft for wanting to use us as a feature to sell new devices here total is it really been investing in these lower end models here it can't be making much money at each individual device here it's been getting them out there but we look into the more capable windows phone devices these are already old I guess something there's an interest in being able to move old stock sure it looks good for us if we can you know pick some used ones up cheaply but what good does that do microsoft i mean yeah i could increase its user base maybe a little I don't know the people a lot of people would transition to Windows Phone Windows 10 mobile just because of continuum thinking about it it makes sense to convince him to pick up some new hardware to devise something or Microsoft's going to be making more money off this and with newer hardware they're going to be more likely to stick with the operating system for you know a year or two going forward now so I find it hard to judge them too harshly you know it's crazy about about this experience those like I had a I had a fundamental moment where my brain chemistry sort of changed where I realized when I realized that I could run almost anything I needed to in the browser through continuum it was when I was having that hangouts conversation and I was sort of just blowing my own mind having a hangouts conversation on a windows phone and I think if there was a way to leverage that in a more portable form factor like one of these tablets are like the read of modern version of the red fly that was affordable enough and svelte and wasn't didn't do all the things wrong that the PadFone did on Android I think that might be it still wouldn't be huge seller obviously but I think it would make a lot of Windows Phone fans happy because there's a big part of me that still wants to use a windows phone on a daily basis because of the interface advantages really is a very pretty OS but I can't afford to give up the google stuff but I wouldn't have to if I could just use a browser all the time and even if that meant plugging a windows phone into a relatively large tablet say like an 8-inch tablet i think i would still deal with it I don't know it sounds like someone who's in the other room when they're thinking up Firefox OS and do we gonna need you know some native apps here not enough evidence would be in the browser it'll be fine yeah it's true I know Oh apps yeah stupid apps so 2010 finally our last piece of listener mail comes to us from unicorn workhorse which i think is and who made a t-shirt oh yeah commemorate John Chen's beautiful demo of the print which is this just mean wasn't a very beautiful demo of the of the Privy poor John Chen was a little befuddled import CEO mr. Chen excuse me was a little befuddled by how Android ran and you know with this joke has sort of come and gone but it was it's a pretty funny t-shirt that has a picture of a proven it says it runs the Google and if you want it you should find unicorn workhorse on redbubble there it is I was I was hoping Jules would would be able to display it does run the google the blackberry prive does nothing would run the google good times mmm times great oldies great oldies yeah we've got it we've got to get moving but are there any any other q and A's that are just stacked up in the judge yeah just everyone commenting on some awful things are currently going on with our streaming give me a shot as if you can't see things going on with the feeders it just me anyone else with streaming is there anyone seeing a multi-colored I'm experienced a discolored involved out there and God let's switch let's switch forever to an all windows ecosystem hangouts how would we do this let's go back to skype it'll be fun by the way to skype app on windows phone continues to be one of the worst apps on the whole phone leave it not saying I thought it was so good on Android and it's open anyway anyway mm-hmm anyway now as a result we were getting a transparent light show for some reason Jules is showing us what's going on with it wow that's on man fantastic well you know what it's only going to get worse from here Steven so what do you say we call it a show yeah come back and listen to be high quality recording when that goes up a little mattel so distracting visuals and I did everything I could listeners to make sure that you were taken care of anytime we showed off something I did my best to paint it with a word picture for you because we love you listeners you are who keep us on the air and if you don't know who we're talking about video Watchers you be a listener let's go there's a post pocketnow.com / tags / pocket now weekly the finest URL out there folks that's going to do it for the pocket met weekly the episode may be over but the conversation continues you find us on twitter com where our charging is always wireless steven is that Steven Schenk ste PhD at SVA GMC k adam is at adams e maybe am ze a producer jewels long is at greenpoint 0 and i am at captain two phones pocketnow is also there on twitter instagram facebook and google+ and it all comes together like Pinot Noir and fried chicken that run down fast food joint sideways and pocketnow.com coach have you enjoy the weekly we want to hear about it so we can keep doing the weekly please share it with your friends who love mobile technology share it with strangers on snapchat or maybe something a little more permanent like itunes stitcher google play wherever else podcast reviews are less on the web or in the world and you can write to us to get your questions answered on the air at podcast pocketnow.com thanks to our sponsor at Squarespace thanks to you our listeners and viewers for keeping us on the air since 2012 it despite all the problems we've had with hangouts we'll be back with more well let's not go yet let's stick around we've got we've done floor music I leave when you've got more music listen we don't have to thank our sponsor so many times what we do and when we do it makes us feel good so in addition to Squarespace we want to thank telecommunication systems who have some great API is from what I understand also play Pepsi man if you haven't already yeah that's man is not our sponsor but that looks like a pretty fun time maybe it will be maybe tia family it's always the out weekly for real now we'll be back with more mobile tech talk next week you