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notch notch notch they almost want to make it like a Beetlejuice situation but Google is putting a stop to that that isn't keeping the match phones from being hot sellers however and the numbers point to one particular manufacturer as the king of the polarizing feature there are plenty of phones that we have yet to see in 2018 so we're really excited to see them but a couple of them we will cover today before we get on our respective planes and head to New York for Samsung's next unpacked event so look forward to that listeners and viewers speaking of events one did just happen however and now we have a brand new moto phone the force may not be strong with this one but one of the key mods will bring the next generation of mobile Internet hello everybody and welcome to the weekly buy pod pocket now and xda-developers on this day the 3rd of august 2018 from smartphones to tablets to wearables and so much more welcome and let's get started talking about all the stuff you dreamed of having when you were a kid I'm your host for the weekly Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody I'm so excited to be here and thank you so much not only to the fellows for having me as the hosts but also to all of you listening and perhaps watching here on the livestream is because of you I missed you all that I'm back on the podcasting mic joining us in the production booth is Jules Wong who did a wonderful job of hosting the show before a wild JV appeared so Jules I just wanted to give a quick shout out to you how are things going on here anybody what type are your second tape or a water-type what would you be I want to say ground-type because I'm all about drinking teas and teas from the ground that's my first thing well anyways hello welcome to you all and go Cubs unfortunately they lost last night but this was included in the in the Moto mod cover or I think it's still called a style cover it did look like a good time right like it looked like an awesome time out there yeah we spent way too much time at bars should be especially near especially near the Cubs stadium right if you want to get into what we did with Michael Fisher for art and a whole bunch of other people but the michael fisher bid i'll save for the second segment here all right sounds good we also have pocket now's brandon minimun as part of our panel how's it going brother yo hey Josh I've always wondered what is the origin of this ah well if you okay so I'm kind of a I didn't used to like being called by my initials and then when I was playing around with a few like new symbols and whatnot because if you remember from the last place that I used to work I used to do this kind of whole thing I used to salute and all that I face that out after a while because I was starting to get people still looking at me all the time a little bit weird but I wanted to have a thing and I like you know I do a few signs of one and then I realized J that's so interesting I see it now there's a fingers that's exactly so I I talked to one of my friends who I study martial arts with and he's a graphic designer and I was like what do you think of this if I if I open up my own channel and he's like I can make that icon for you like that and I was like sweet yeah so that's what uh that's how that whole thing came about it's awesome yeah speaking of which I did want to thank you for reminding me actually Brendan um thank you so much for watching the announcement video and also thanks to these guys for letting me have some fun with it I had this song in mind that I always wanted to use even though it's it's admittedly a copyrighted song but you know I got I got I got approval to use it from these guys and just a few comments that were on there um just to set the record straight I am the host of the podcast moving forward I am going to do the odd video from time to time but to the couple of people who are wondering what's going on with me on my own end I'm still continuing my work on my channel and everything like that it just so happens that I'm allowed to not only allow to but I'm very happy to collaborate with these guys and that's gonna be a great ours is gonna be a wonderful relationship moving forward and isn't speaking of the relationship I think there's one person that you would like to introduce and that's right speaking of that we have the man at the helm of the daily and pocket mal español I'm a romera hello hello I was I was just thinking right now if I had to use my initials and and try to make you know my yeah total gang member man that's another thing I had to be absolutely certain that this didn't mean something bad somewhere and I did so much research to make sure as it turns out somewhere in I think like mid Eastern Europe I forget which countries in particular this is a this is their peace symbol so so it's like the you know two finger but with the thumb out I I would have to do the ring finger out but because the tendons between the Pinky and the ring finger are you can't do the whole more thing so yeah there's like a V and then I W is just another V attached away but if you if you go for jewels I will totally I will totally support you what are your skills man what are your freakin talents just you know whatever you want to say hi it's just wave all your initials are here Jules there you go live long and prosper everybody speaking of shout outs to Fisher anyway okay so we're gonna go ahead and get into the news all right so we have a bunch of stories this week and the first few of them actually have to do with knotch devices and number one though on the list is the fact that Google is saying hold up let's not go too crazy with these notches let's let's put a few regulations on this before it gets too far so only one notch per edge only two total per device which kind of begs the question what the heck would a three knotch device even look like what would that even before now a couple pieces of info before we get into everybody's thoughts what the what Google is trying to say here is that mob cheese can only be found on the short edge of the device so if you're looking at let's say a 1080p frame it would be on the short 1080p side not on the 1920 side so you're not going to see it on the long sides on the right or the left of any phone when you're looking at it in portrait mode and you're not going to see more than two on any given device so that whole Beetlejuice situation not happening moving forward so here's the so I do want to pose the question to the rest of you guys what could you even imagine three notch device and why I can't even imagine a tattoo knotch device like well what would that look like to you I may like do you think a two notch device where ones on the bottom half or bottom edge would make sense again I I have everything against bezels so it doesn't matter if I get a chin at the bottom or whatever whatever companies do to get rid of them for me is fine so it would make sense to me if we had dual speakers like two notches that are symmetrical and that these are speakers that from me would be cool but that would be it like no more than this please trying to think of what other bits and pieces like could there be a notch on the bottom that maybe has like a fingerprint reader on it maybe that's the way that they leave it on the front you know is the question well I mean I do have a reference point here and that's a ZT I think we covered this ZTE had a design award for a conceptual phone that was like it had glass that came off of the phone because they hadn't rounded corners so it came off over the phone and formed its own corners then the glass met from the Frye in the back but it had two notches and there was all our presumption since there was it was just the design we didn't really know what was going on with that one so ZTE has experimented with that and then there's also what we'll get to at the very end of the show I'm not going to spoil it but it is quite the thing to look at yeah that's all I'm going to say any thoughts on Aaron Brendan like you're working right now with the most bottom notches phone ever the key to so [Laughter] you know what I think would actually be okay with me last time we were talking about potential Huawei phone with an island notch for the camera for a cutout for the camera like I don't I think would be that bad to go with high Mae's dual dual speaker idea to have two little lines that are basically cutouts in the display for speakers to come through that's so much better than having to utilize like such a large area to surround the speaker's you could just do a little island on the top and the bottom hmm oh oh that's gonna happen a lot on the podcast I'm sure I'm just looking forward to when a to notch device finally comes out if someone has the let's say the the stones to do it and because the reason why I'm looking forward to is because I can't wait to see all the Twitter hate I can't wait to see all the reviewers who are like why and I might be one of them personally but my one requirement for a to notch device in my opinion would be that like we've talked about with the 1 + 6 that the content doesn't wrap around it yes all they care about ya know for me for me I guess the biggest problem like I don't like the Huawei approach we have this like huge chin at the bottom on the beats when he broke and you know they they make it they give it a purpose with the fingerprint scanner but it did that for me looks I don't know I I it looks weird and I'm also concerned about the pixel 3 Excel leaks but where it's like this huge notch at the at the top and and then you also have like the the chin at the bottom for the speaker but then it just doesn't look symmetrical like what is shorter than the other it looks weird to me I don't know what you think so 3 does look weird I agree yeah change and I'm assuming yeah now we are going to move over to another to a huawei device as we move from talking about the general notch development to Huawei's notches on a potential upcoming device but Brendan you had some extra thought you wanted to share real quick we can use that as our as our quick cut between these two topics yeah so I just bought a device a very strange and kind of old device but I'm so excited about it a few years ago phone was early was released that was so thin and so light that it just it changed the way you use the phone like you could hope you could hold it was so light that you could watch videos in landscape just by pinching it like this and it wouldn't get tired and you know fall over like that um any guesses what phone this was the thinnest lightest not maybe not lightest but the thinnest phone ever released was the or5 the R the R 3 was the first one ever okay that was like the first film that didn't have a headphone jack and so I I have one eye I think I know I died now remember that I don't have one first phone in the modern age because that wouldn't have a headphone jack because it just didn't fit and that this is actually where Josh and I met by the way in that event I I was just about to say it sounds familiar poor man yeah it was I'm talking about a phone that is a full millimeter thinner than the r3 yeah all right give me a what year oh geez I'm gonna have to look that up I mean we're talking like this was us oh that's just 2016 I guess not that long ago two years ago oh dear come on guys come on boil it just boil it we don't have okay okay it was the original moto Zio's five point two millimeters so the cool thing about the moto Z is that you can get a new Moto Z and they have all these color options like one is white and gold which I got on Amazon for 229 bucks and the software is a little outdated but you can easily flash Oreo and Android P beta onto it and it's just so sweet it's so cheap and like it is so thin and like that like it changes the way you use the phone but it's had but it had like this weird like the camera hump was horrendous I oh yeah had that big ring so that the Moto mods could attach to and stay on and it was also missing a headphone jack right of course yeah it's not a perfect phone but it's cheap and for those that like have never experienced it it was just it's like for watching video and it has a front facing speaker so it's just it's perfect for media consumption and it's so thin and light that when you pick it up it's effortless too tight because it's like you're holding nothing at all yeah well you know what I should have that I should have asked you Brandon what you were going bringing up it would have been great to use that as a segue to our motto z3 talk a little bit later so I apologize for mixing up the the topics a little bit but let's get back to our our track here speaking of the notches clearly there are a lot of knotch devices out there Google did say that there are 16 devices from 11 OMS now speaking of those 16 devices a number of upwards of eighty six million notch smartphones were shipped globally in the first half of 2018 and it's probably no surprise given their market but Huawei is at the top of that list so any hot takes from you guys about how because I heard you were just talking Jaime about how you weren't a big fan of their design of the notch but it's the best-selling notch from yesterday I I was filming some b-roll for a video that's gonna go live on Saturday if that oh my god like I had literally six photos on the table with notches all different things so for me it's like well this is it you know this is where things are going I can't say that it's my favorite design choice but it is what it is I just I wish that companies became creative with it like I honestly like the the approach oddly the approach that I like the most is one plus six and Apple where there is very little chin at the bottom like I don't have a problem with it so long as the chin is not you know taking over you know the the rest of the design it just looks weird asymmetrical okay Brendon has a few technical difficulties oh there you go there's a light in here that it's motion activated and it automatically turns off at certain intervals and you cannot you cannot go like flailing for a little bit [Laughter] so why did you hide the camera that's actually a moment we wanted to see in about 20 minutes and I'll I'll just do this Brendon have you used the peach one yet all yet like like because right now you have the one plus six and that's your knotch device per se but have you used the p20 yet because it's clearly the best-selling knotch device right now no but I did use the honor 10 for a while which is like kind of like the p20 light um but for a while I was using the vivo necks which I'm gonna hand off to a hi MA when I see him next week and I was trying to figure out if like not having a notch and having like a very high screen to body ratio is better than like a 1 plus 6 you know which has this little notch and like sometimes sometimes it's cool just because when like your when it's sitting on a table top it's kind of all inspiring to see like so much screen but but there are compromises of course to that like on the Oppo find X you've got yeah you've got to wait a second for the whole thing to move up to take any pictures at all or on the vivo necks we've got that little front-facing camera that pops up and again you have to wait a couple of seconds for that to happen I I rather have like a 1 plus 6 with a notch that's not that offensive with no moving parts yeah I don't mind I really don't mind yeah David Baptista de Silva on Twitter says one notch is already a design abomination so 2/3 half-a-dozen notches makes no difference top notch for sensors and bottom notch for fingerprint scanner at least would keep the symmetry why is it here's the thing how are bezels like not a design abomination as well they store nothing in them they stay anything but keep everything to the sides and it's like well like it's and it has structure so it doesn't fall apart when you pick it up you know it's like it's like that yeah but it can't just hold everything up right right here just another glass you know don't worry strum yeah and I mean perhaps the nod like like I was saying one time before the notches are gonna be a means to an end as as manufacturers trying to find a way to make it work or try to find a ways of working around it we're gonna get new types of form factors like the fine 10 and stuff like that but as far as Huawei is concerned the notch is probably something that's going to maintain and we have a phone coming up from them potentially in the mate 20 or the mate 20 Pro in this case which the main piece of news there aside from the fact that it probably will have a notch to is that it's going to be Spore potentially the akhirin 980 now we do have a lot of good things that stay generally about huawei's silicon they're high silicon and if the ki-rin 980 is going to be the case in the made 20 then they're probably going to be a lot of high-powered specs in general six gigabytes of RAM 120 gigabytes of storage a 4200 milliamp hour battery I like that justjust think about the fact that this would if the rumors are true this would be the first ever seven nanometer process processor yes I do remember yes that that is that is the thing I mean we're at ten nanometers right now and everyone makes a big deal about that going sub ten I mean well here's the thing I mean Intel hasn't like desktop processors haven't reached ten nanometers yet and so like mobile was really the like the first which was what was the company that that came up with the processor was at media tech or or might have been I can't remember tsmc tsfc is the one that came up with with the design um yeah and so like it's it's huge on its own it's it that alone brings more power efficiency because there's literally less travel for you know everything but that alone for me will be plus that forty two hundred million power battery and if they fit that triple camera from the p20 Pro like I don't think there's a need to look at anything else right there I mean it's done for the next five years oh yeah this is not just my phone it's v5 you're not gonna look at anything for the next five years then maybe you can donate that trip to China for me fair enough wireless charging in display fingerprint reader so you know I'm really trying to put all of these features right in there along with Android P you say what you will about am you I am II it's gonna be Android P based my only thing about the Huawei phones especially the made series is that okay so likely it's going to be a 1080 a full HD plus resolution is the only thing that kind of gives me pause cuz and why not a quad HD display why not I know it doesn't really matter so much but you know do you have it all been conservative yeah yeah yeah do you have quad HD on your key - no I don't I don't even one plus six for goodness sake I have a galaxy s nine plus here which I've been using for the last few days and I have it at 1080p Plus man like nobody uses quad it's that's true that's true I I completely agree with that and the are their actual games to be had with a 1440p screen not necessarily but you know it's just one of those things that when you're looking at the spec sheet before you actually get the phone in your hand you're like oh well it doesn't even have much of a presence in the VR game because I don't know so maybe it's just that I guess directing attention away from any sort of investment in that because obviously screens are one of the few kind of parts that they have that has to be outsourced because a lot of stuff in China yeah I agree with that okay so speaking of phones that are incoming we are getting a little bit more information regarding the red hydrogen one I'm a little bit peeved about this phone not necessarily because of any bad reason but because I was I was invited to that event that they had in LA a number of weeks ago I wasn't there I wasn't there this is the problem I emailed them over and over again saying will we get time with the device because their hands on area blah blah blah and they said you're not gonna be able to do for that yeah yeah you're not gonna do anything with it so I was like okay like do I want to brave the LA traffic to get all the way over there and just like look at it and then be like hey guys I saw as it turns out a few people were able to touch the phone at the event so I was a little bit peeves about that but it's okay as it turns out though the hydrogen one is a hot device people are really looking forward to it and speaking of putting as many features as possible on here we have four cameras we have a forty five ten million power battery and speaking you were talking about a thin device earlier Brandon this thing is probably not gonna be that okay yeah I'm gonna need it how are the Holograms you pray yeah pretty much so we are plenty we're plenty that we already know about the device it is coming soon it's it's it's gonna become a reality sometime soon and some pictures are up that show contents of the box a power delivery charger which I'm all for I love power delivery and it also shows off a few pieces of the innards of the device itself aren't you guys excited at all for the hydrogen phone the hydrogen one rather I just I can't imagine what the price of the accessories is gonna be so that's that phone I guess I'd have to see it I haven't been able to see the whole holographic thing they want to do I mean is it gonna be useful or not it's the first question but if that doesn't really is if that's not really able to stand on its own and if it's not able to produce great photography on its own without accessories then the question begs what are the price of the accessories that's gonna be the success or lack of success of it yeah and also like what like we still don't really understand what benefits the holographic display will bring is it going to be like the HTC EVO 3d oh my god or the Amazon fire phone has not heard that in a while oh my god what's interesting though about the FCC listing is that if you look at the model number of the hydrogen one its h1 a 1000 which sounds to me and this is total speculation like it's the beginning of a series h1 a 1000 it sounds like a nomenclature that would suggest that there would be an h1 a 2,000 or an h2 a 2,000 or additional variants of the of the one likely oh you mean like the essential phone pH one which actually if you look at that the text actually stands for phone the h1 stands for phone that was true any yeah yeah and so we're actually starting a series here that hasn't been continued yeah so ya never know I mean I am going to have to recuse myself from this conversation since I've been made very privy to a lot of off-the-record conversations at the motorola event there was a Verizon guy there and there's it has been an interesting path in terms of red trying to get their certification their network stuff it together that's all I'll say but I mean that could be tied to one of the reasons why you were where you were not allowed to take pictures or video of the device at that event yeah I'm kicking myself because I least should have been able to see in concept what they're trying to offer with this phone but I wasn't there chalk that up to a lesson learned for me whenever there's an event in LA I freaking live here I should just freaking go yeah three numbers 405 yeah exactly you know the 10 freeway I used to get in there and is the worst I don't even go all the way to the 405 I was about to say you don't need to grab the 405 in your case where you live exactly I just go five is the worst all right so um speaking of looking at the innards of a phone in the case of the hydrogen one you are able to look at the innards of another device that I mean I would love to be able to see in the flesh but there's a little bit of controversy behind it we're talking of course about the Xiaomi me8 Explorer edition now I'm sure you guys have covered this before either on the cast or in any of your content on the other YouTube channel and on the website but obviously there's there has been the news that the me8 Explorer edition has some extra bits under the cover that actually aren't real it's literally they're just for aesthetic and what's funny is that it's not even like a painted or like a picture that's underneath that translucent glass on the back it's an actual decorative board and I think that's pretty funny to be honest and if it gives a little bit of extra look a lot of extra aesthetic to the phone then I'm all for that but there is the argument that if they didn't do that they could have put a bigger battery they could have added some other bits in there any hot takes on this one oh so I actually held that me eight Explorer edition so I was at event at a small event the Xiaomi head and New York I just I don't get the point first of all it looks like an iPhone like it looks like an iPhone 10 in every way so it's like it's this blend of design which yeah I have no problem with it it's just what's the point about that the whatever you know art they have they're like does it really serve a purpose like but then again I'm not I can't go hard on them because you also have the HTC you 12 plus which you do see the internals but there is like a pattern being drawn over the casing to make it look cooler but it's not really that like the internals don't fully look that way I mean it's not about really deception for me it's more about just using your space wisely and if I mean there's a whole narrative about making phones thinner and thinner and whatnot and that's great I mean if you were to take that board out you could have made that phone dinner and you could have used translucent glass anyways to show off whatever was inside no matter how weird it was because I think people in having it would be so boring though if you didn't have that there like it would be translucent glass and then the heat to impress all of my friends with this phone because they I'm gonna say my phone is see-through you can see the motherboard that's where the brain is okay you over there do you read pocket now no look at this again very rig everything variant of the v8 that's a yeah you know what one thing I find interesting about this decorative board is that it very clearly shows the the Snapdragon logo and kind of makes me wonder like did Qualcomm you know kind of throw some you know throw some in there like hey that'd be cool if they did because you know that's that's branding that's good branding on their part and that's their tentacles working out in China again after a whole bunch of debacles with the licensing over there a few years ago fair fair uh well yeah I mean I like the look of the phone I would love to check it out I love I would love to check out the me a in general Xiaomi phones have this weird thing where it's clearly not completely finished the time like a few updates later it becomes the phone it was meant to be but even then there are some brilliance there's a little bit of brilliance and plenty of the Xiaomi phones those just quick flashes of it I actually really enjoyed the portrait mode in the previous one and Lord knows Xiaomi puts out stuff like the me mix so yeah I mean there's their flashes of brilliance on every device that they make even if it's not fully baked you I was not me UI man like and I get it I get the purpose of their software I know that the reason why their phones are so affordable in China is because of the whole mix they do where they pretty much make more money off their stores and everything that makes all the sense in the world the problem is god it's just so bad it is so bad like I have a hard time finding things in the settings because they rearranged them completely and I and I get it like even even a in something that I'm working on you know I get that they they have no reason to embrace the Google approach because there is no Google services in China I totally get that god it's so for me it's annoying it's a very beautiful annoying phone I think it's the best way can that be the can that be a headline for you've got it all right so there's no easy segue for this last story okay without getting political at all or really just even social climate um what-what the hell sprint just what the hell that's all I want to say because they're trying to marketing for the iPhone 10 in the iPhone 8 are getting more aggressive apparently but this video from Sprint talking about this flash sale and they took the word flash way too seriously and actually okay my first question is there were professional flashers like that's an occupation and they got these two people who are wearing this board on their chests that say there's a flash sale on the iPhone 8 and they're wearing these humongous coats and they just run in front of people are like blah flash sale and I thought this was a good idea like I'm all for subversive marketing but this is ridiculous my reaction from Jaime what are you talking about the smith-lever and all this is how you get me tuned the best part is how the jackets are sprint colors the outsides like dark blue and inside it's yellow so it's like total branding it's so cool this is absolutely ridiculous I can't believe that they did this because like you can even see it in the faces of the people who got quote-unquote flashed like what the heck and like that's not how you you don't jolt people into a sale like this is this is so weird I'm gonna make a very easy this is gonna sound sexist but I guess if they would have grabbed these like very beautiful models there the result would have been so much different I mean there are biases I mean the picture that you guys have at the top of this article shows a dude going up to two girls that's the worst idea I'm sure that if they got a couple of girls that were the result would have been different and you know what like you all power to the sale itself like an iPhone eight at sixty four gigabytes for $6.99 like that sounds pretty cool it's not a thousand dollars so cool but this is not the way you tell people about well the thing is the flash sale was like eight dollars a month so instead of $6.99 it would be like 200 something so but yeah this is a weird and it's especially weird given that they did it in Kansas City because I I see the streetcar it's all got Sprint branding and that's their hometown so way to kind of piss off your home crowd I guess maybe I guess what do you guys know about the future of Sprint and t-mobile by the way like how's that gonna any comment mode man yeah I've never actually used Sprint as a carrier I had once amber when Sprint with gonna skip LTE but and did WiMAX instead oh god LT wasn't ready LT isn't ready and so what they did was they adopted WiMAX this was like back in the it was it was a condition of the nextel merger they had to do something by 2008 like some advanced timeline and that was one of the requirements for G by at that time so yeah I love the I love this question I'm looking at the chat by the way everybody so be Floyd over on our top chat who was broke enough to wear a winter coat in the middle of 89 degrees summer every time that I see somebody like you know standing on a street corner with a sign or something see those jobs I hate wouldn't people do those jobs like I feel that companies I don't know I consider that to be humanly degrading to have somebody hold a sign I consider that to be disrespectful to the Employment Act of every citation right exactly that's exploitation like every time that I see something like that I cringe and I get upset because I feel company should be smarter about their advertisement like seriously exactly which is which is probably the overarching point of this particular ad can be smarter about this guy's yeah so on that note we are going to take a quick break I suppose 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and Jules I'm gonna go ahead and start off with you I think you have a bit of a package that you wanted to play it's the Moto XIII play I got in front of me here and it's going to Josh as soon as we meet during unpacked it's gonna be great I actually unpacked it for the video that I hope to have up coming up this weekend on Monday and it's a it's an interesting beast of a swords yeah we had a whole meet up at Motorola headquarters in Chicago yesterday a whole bunch of the TUC the tech press corps was there and she wanted a bus I saw a trolley bus which was nice but was had ineffective air conditioning so um yeah good thank you for that but I do have a little piece that I do want to play this one for our live streamers here you're going to hear mostly from just one person however for our audio podcast which I hope you'll tune in to you'll be hearing more wide array of people from David Cogan being one of them and as well as I think did hi out I do one I think so I'm not sure I'm gonna have to check back but in any case said listen to this one here right here I don't think the adapter is working here yeah okay well in in any case then I am just gonna have to play this out loud and use the phone and it's like a do or die when everything doesn't work and technology sometimes just happens to throw everything in your path that sounds like my Wi-Fi but you know what's funny you've been consistent on this one don't jinx it he's working on it so obviously we're talk about the moto xiv as we walk into the freaking revolving doors and make more work for me because i have to stop at this link later there's a stream and I'm just gonna probably not leave this in but hey whatever the way to be wait another street sweeper out there how many do you want to ride it running goddamn street sweepers okay alright now we're good alright I'm sure let's turn this is pretending that that didn't happen and welcome mr. Michael fetch your p2 mr. wobbles little segment on our podcast here it's two minutes two questions you ready I'm ready I'm it comfortably ensconced in my quarter if I were to be French I would call it the model set leg because the whole 3mb thing I don't know maybe but I have to go German so I understand you said dry would that be it knows it yeah just long set over whatever I want to cut all this let's cut I think there's a little judgment that is to be had here because you saw what happened you saw the spin and the blush that they gave this Meadows III thing yeah and it came from all sides from Qualcomm verizon Motorola yeah yeah so you got like you digest all this information what is your initial kind of takeaway after listening to all that and then just you know seeing the device holding it was it I have to be I have to be frank you know there's a lot of people here there's a lot of people from the media here you know there's like 20 people and on the other side of the wall we're recording this from and that's not even all the people Motorola brought in to Chicago for this event so frankly I expected a big splash and their teaser said you know it's a whole new way to like to communicate it's a whole new way to have video calls a whole new way to do everything whole new yeah and you know what we got was of course a phone that's this rather unremarkable I think and a moto mod that is very remarkable but it won't arrive and for six months at least or I guess four months at least and we don't know what the price is gonna be and we don't even know what it's actually gonna look like since we saw mock-ups today so like you know it's really hard to take all that together and say wow yeah I'm really jazzed about what I saw today I'm not down on it I'm just I have to say I'm expected a bit more suffering in the mod for a second here we got this up several times in the course of conversation today but it's always that thought experiment that we have in terms of last year's flagship phone versus this year's mid-range phone and it seems like we seem to be hitting a chord with that in terms of just you know putting forward the package pricing what not you to reflect on offer just a little bit and see how maybe a little initial impression on how love us how well how well doesn't just striking whatever that is so weird right because the I'm looking at the phone I'm holding in my hand right now and several times today I had to make sure I wasn't holding this III play I brought along because this is so similar I mean it's like the cameras even I don't even verified this but I think the camera module is exactly the same we all talk but yet there's a force which is a year old phone at this point and that wasn't a very good camera and I don't think this is a very good camera either so you have that you have the kind of design language that I was kind of mad on on the XIII play you got this weird power button on the left and the fingerprint scanner on the side and buzzing in your pocket all the time phew visceral improvements they've made is stretching out that screen a little bit which facilitated that move button and whatnot fingerprint sensor too yeah you know I mean it's just you did the most exciting thing about the phone to me is the price 480 but then again it's 480 on Verizon and you have to be on Verizon to appreciate it like this phone exists as a chassis for the mod there's nothing special about it unless you're talking about the 5g mod and that's again tough to get excited about I think review day is coming big questions that need to be asked what's one of them that you're hoping to answer in a definitive way oh my god that's the tough question Jules it's a good one though right because it's easy to hedge and be like yeah but you know Motorola's great companies so yeah I think some people buy this stuff I love this filler yeah what's the question right right I know what's the answer the answer to your question about what my favorite question is going to be it can't be should you buy this phone because I think you probably shouldn't unless you know I that's not entirely true there's use cases for it so that but that's not the most interesting question the most interesting question is by the time this moto mod launches is it already going to be irrelevant because it fully integrated 5g competitors will be out there and I'm not sure I'll be able to answer that a review time but it's one I'll be able to pose I don't you know I can't definitively say because I can't see the future but it's just I can't be really optimistic about a lot of us despite how in love with the technology I am with regard to the mod well that left us was something to ponder at 1:00 a.m. on a freaking Chicago night thank you so much Michael Thank You Jules always a pleasure indeed so yeah there was a whole bunch of just reactions mostly to the 5 G mod in terms of how we're talking about this upgradable path so that 5g moto mod that's not gonna be that's the phone itself Red's a Snapdragon 2 835 which don't gain don't even get me started about that but the fact is that last year I've pointed this out last year the Moto z2 Force had a much more ambitious strategy in terms of launch you know at all five carriers all five major carriers I'm not sure US Cellular would like be accounting against that but you know it was all around it was $700 this was a $700 phone last year now it's 480 there Verizon's doing it on the 16th of august and they're doing $300 trade-ins per thing so it's like it'd be like a $200 phone almost and I don't know what do you guys a what do you guys think in terms of the first impression here what what is the 5g mod what is inside of it why is it so big like is it hot if they're like they're like oh yeah so the 5g moto mod is basically the Qualcomm Snapdragon X 50 modem which doesn't take much space in itself but because of how 5g has to propagate because of its license most of it is going to be in that millimeter-wave area it's kind of hard to get through even the human kind of mass so all that is going to be antennas it's a real weird and misshapen little thing I'm gonna pull it back up on the video stream for a second here it's got another sort of notch at the top above the camera sort of but that's all antennas reaching out making sure that there's proper coverage so that even when you're holding it it doesn't you know phase out and that's a it's one of the concerns on going with the 5g in terms of well just I mean the 5g standard itself can be used on pretty much any spectrum the problem is is that most of the spectrum that's usable is in that upper range because everyone else is already using the lower end for LTE for a 3G for existing technologies and they still have to run that for a time so race on that thing no price given we have to weigh in till early 2019 only gonna work on Verizon it's only gonna work on Verizon phones under the Moto Z thing so if you got your Moto Z to force your Moto Z under Verizon it's only gonna work the Moto mod is gonna work for that if you bought it anywhere else tough luck but I'm trying to understand like what you saw the recent survey that included over how the Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 you know a far outperforms any phone that doesn't have the chip so why go 835 and then make people wait six months for 5g to use a weird moto mod that's most likely not gonna be it's not gonna be cheap and then it's not like if you're you're you have access to 5g everywhere like what cities are gonna like I don't think 5 G's gonna be ready to launch into like mid next year anyway so what's the I don't know man I so Verizon has an interesting narrative here yeah yeah so but it's behind the ball bit in terms of 5g it for it was when that I think was the first carrier to nap that I had plans just general plans for 5g it turned out that it was gonna be for fixed broadband it would be like the enough towers going out to base stations inside homes and that would be their way in and then everyone else started talking about mobile 5g and their plans and the kind of work caught behind with that so now they're trying to say hey we're working on this being the first phone it's a Verizon exclusive and it's gonna be upgradable upgradeable is their term for 5g which you know they I mean Snapdragon X 24 on the Snapdragon 835 processors processor that they have on the motors III is gonna get you decent speeds it's fine I guess it's but it's not even Gigabit LTE capable that's the problem I mean gigabit LTE came at the 8:45 so some tests were I'll be fair to Qualcomm here some tests theoretical tests only theoretical tests big underline on that did provide the 8:35 with I think it was one point two gigabit downlink but again the lab conditions whatnot you're right so right yes you're right yes yes but else he came with the 8:35 and then it's like a version two that we have with the 8:45 I guess terms yeah favorite terms that they want to push out in terms of getting the speed up and you know they were all it was more of a Verizon Qualcomm event I'll be honest in to has been a Motorola V even though it was at their headquarters Motorola's Chicago headquarters it sound that there was a lot more talking being done by the Verizon representative there was a video from Verizon there was Qualcomm you know everyone was there and they were talking about how 5g is gonna be used for everything they had a whole room set up even though all the art assets were Motorola's like they were like yeah this is how 5g is gonna improve everything for VR AR your life in general and you are going to be using it Jaime you and I we've we've been to plenty of these types of events not necessary for devices but for the con - 5g with Qualcomm I mean tell me how Hawaii it was like other than the whole swimming with mr. mobile in the buff though those feeds and those LTE speeds look great in the studio my swim trunks well you know it makes sense to me that Verizon would be at the helm of something like this because I mean I don't know if there's really too much argument here but in the u.s. domestically Verizon is the most reliable and fastest network for very particular reasons though it's not going to be something that's proliferated easily across the globe because Verizon is a very proprietary network band and every time I use a verizon phone I'm having a lot of fun with it because it's real it's it's always speedy it's always really awesome to you so I'm ok with that I understand that Verizon is probably going to be the the company that brings this version of 5g to the market but the problem that I have with this is that clearly we're trying to get to 5g because I think most of these manufacturers and companies have just given up on trying to perfect our current LTE because we fall so far behind compared to many other countries in the world even a country like Estonia just just wipes the floor with us even a country like Condor desk has faster LTE speeds I think we skipped LTE advanced right like that thing so that's a good question I don't know but so you can see there's a thing I totally understand like for example why is it Verizon because Qualcomm and Verizon have been partners since the inception of digital you have to remember CDMA was invented by by Qualcomm so and their first partner was Verizon so I get that they have a long term partnership and I you know whichever company so that the advantage of 5g is that it's a global thing the the faster people adopt 5g the easier it is for people to just stop dropping off LTE and so it's it's a win-win where people you know 5g is gonna piggyback on LTE but it provides the assistance and and it just you know it liberates I guess is the word it liberates a little spectrum because it seems companies are not gonna be investing more on LTE and have you guys experienced regular H va+ on carriers like AT&T I mean like 3G is horrendous right now like if the phone falls into 3G just forget it it's the worst well unlike AT&T you go to HSPA+ which it's bad really probably affiliates great but in New York it's like the worst man Wow but maybe it's just too much to ingest it yeah literally edge on t-mobile edge on t-mobile while roaming is faster than HSPA+ on a vow it is that bad like it certainly I would rather tell me it's not connected I mean that's the kind of mean meaning that you would like to have hope but I want to get back to the z3 in that it's a shuttle for this you know I mean I guess propaganda about 5g which you know I mean it's it has it's valid points but it's a shuttle this z3 is getting jettisoned it's gonna I feel like it's gonna be out the door by whenever come next year when all the integrated solutions all the ones that have the snapdragon 855 inside and does you don't need a freaking 5 Jima to achieve those speeds and pricing is enticing though and I you know I think I didn't see the motive unfortunately you have jewels but you know all moto mods are like that they're all chunky so I think it's just the design thing I don't think it's a it's an antenna like in the old days you know you remember those antennas for like the satellite phones I don't think it's a necessity I think it was yeah you almost look like you you almost look like you're holding a satellite phone with this thing to and which is funny to me because the image of somebody holding up this moto mod and the phone to their face is funny because that's not what the 5g modems for yeah but what I'm thinking here is so as Fisher was saying in that clip by the way great job on that one Jules the the whole idea behind this mod is that's gonna come out within four to six months from now but by the time this mod comes out is it is it in line with or at least coming up close to a potential Z for launch so like this this mod is obviously suppose to be backwards compatible with this phone and the next phone so I can see why the timeline is the way it is but still like it only really makes sense to buy the mod if it's expensive with this phone because potentially the z4 is gonna be the one that comes in at at least $6.99 and then you're painting way more out the butt with that but then you're probably around that time you know come early next year you might be looking at a Galaxy S 10 with built in 5g the only I guess I think it's just the selling points not where it's like you know we're giving you a phone that's gonna be 5g capable so if you buy this phone now you will be able to connect to 5g whenever it's available and since people hold onto phones for more than a year I guess they're just trying to make it a marketing stunt I get it I would make more sense to me if the Moto line that the Z line from moto was like the only phone on Verizon and if like stuff like the s10 wouldn't be coming to Verizon if something like whatever the next phones iPhones are going to be didn't have the potential to have this type of technology weren't going to be on Verizon in the first place because remember the old nobody the old days but like remember how a moto droid was like the number one line on Verizon like that that was there was a certain exclusivity behind that but if all of these other phones are definitely coming and they probably are going to have this kind of tech then it makes this harder to sell aside from the price point except that it's August 2018 and like there's no s10 and it's not even in sight and so if you're a Verizon customer walking a Verizon store and you're like okay I'm gonna spend a bunch of money on a phone I want to be a little bit future proof and the sales guy is like hey buddy what's up what's your name Michael Fisher is gonna be so pissed at you trying to act like him selling next telephones right sales reps gonna be like yo dude we've got this phone that can get it on our next generation of cellular technology that's not even out check out this moto z3 with the 5g mod you should buy this phone and you'll be happy in two years from now because you'll be on the fastest speeds so it's it's like it's great for right now before you know we get to early next year you know we have a future-proof phone with it with last year's processor that is exact and you know like motorola is like the worst when it comes to and when it comes to Android updates all right have they gotten better there I use the Moto phone in a while they're kind of checkered in terms of that because the you know it they treat their flagships okay but you know I mean we had that debacle with the Moto G 4 and Android um yeah I was the OREA and it was like they Oh we had a misprint in an ad for the Moto G 4 plus saying that it would get Oreo it wasn't supposed to but you know what we'll honor our word is to get years of one year of updates so we have we heard you loud and clear everybody here you go that's pretty much it the one thing that this makes me think of before we before we call it on this one okay it's obviously in a mod there are a couple of issues there are a couple of worries that I have there might be unfounded that you know the modem has to get the data then funnel it through the contacts you know that that might actually make it slower than it should be it's like thinking about how this mod has a 2000 million power battery inside of it just to power the dang thing you know cuz obviously there's a lot that it has to do to get the most optimal speeds that are called 5g could I'm not as optimistic that our next-generation phones next year are going to have this tech because it's going to be a battery suck and they're not gonna want to have that in in the new flagship phones could we see 5g mods coming out that are peripherals that are that that can be connected let's say via us PC to the phones in the future because it requires this amount of power and extra battery if you remember from the presentations that we've that we've seen from Qualcomm I don't expect them to be a battery hog because they they piggyback on out he and it's it's actually from what from what we understood there was until impact in battery it was actually the other way around it's all about it's all about signal strength yeah I'm yeah when you have five bars at its 5g and and it's an its pervasive and it penetrates walls your phone doesn't have to do that much to send and receive extra circuitry in what has to be done to get those 5g speeds to the motors III I think is going to generate some heat sink effect or at least you know use up more power than would be otherwise needed because I because you're right we we did see a lot of these demos I'm a but like looking at this mod I just keep looking at it I'm like there's way more in here than I remember Qualcomm claiming would be needed so I'm a little bit worried about that I mean it is about a mod it has to fit the Moto G design and there has to be you know kind of usable I guess so yeah yg so in the five years different to every other generation of connectivity like 1g was analog 2g was digital 3G was you know high higher speeds I believe it was or I'm trying to remember but then LT that all these were like different antennas whereas 5g is actually the 5g can't survive without without LT it needs LTE to you know be able to to provide what you know the the signal so it's not like if the phones are gonna ship without LT they need LT it's it's it's part of the spectrum um well a meter wave is only useful when you're outside it's not useful when you're inside for example it's those kind of like 3G was the UMTS and then a piggyback on that was the HSPA and HSPA+ it so you it's still used to the 3G UMTS connection but it was almost like an add-on that's exactly so far that much was clear to me if I'm G requires a combination of everything we already have yeah yeah exactly yeah that's are like a potluck soup like for everyone it's a network jambalaya put it out for a second here with the the phone and the keys or the guy dude I am so envious so back in the day fun fact unload us and just how bad things were so I had cable for the first time until I was eight and we only had one W cheeto so I grew up and the I grew up watching the clubs and that was like literally the only thing you can watch I was a whole eSports you can watch was Harry Caray Steve stone and then Tom what was it the other guy here at Wrigley Field for the Cubs game so for me like I was like damn it I have to change my flight that you guys are going to Wrigley Field man yeah it's like for me it would have been sorry man I'm free to be there I am so envious - all right listen if you have a little off time and I'll pay for your ticket actually take you up on that man the myth the legend Jules over there in the production as well and and yeah don't let it don't let it don't let it be a don't let it be a false claim it's it's gotta happen before that it happens [Laughter] it has to go to a Dodgers game maybe I don't know maybe that will be have to be the case but we'll see all three of us exactly okay so speaking of things that are announced and usually never coming to light we have one final thing to talk about so here comes Roy oh boy oh boy oh boy here comes a beautiful name from announcer a beautiful company the Hubble phone this is a concept from a company that we all know way too well and I actually have a bone to pick myself because at my previous at my previous place of work I did do a lot of work with this company touring and I was at a lot of their like-like-like press briefings and stuff like that and they were always they always were really forthcoming with information regarding their devices and the fact that things were going to like this really a revolutionary film but they had a lot to say about their phones and like the last one do you what was it called the appassionato or the appassionato I think it was which had like a cool name and what made me feel like it was actually gonna be a reality was because they gave me a working unit and I was able to actually review it as long as I did some software updates and then they were like even though they had a partnership with TCL they were like nah we turns out what we can do just like what's why what do what is wrong with what is happening here like I I felt slighted because I I was with them for hours and actually here in Pasadena and I was with them for hours just talking about this phone and having having fun talking about like what they wanted to do with it this concierge service that they were going to bring with the phone that I actually used a couple of times and I thought it was really awesome I thought it was really cool made the phone feel exclusive and then they just sort of like turn their backs just like they did with the original touring phone and it's like ok here they are again with a flip phone concept that I mean it's totally coming out in the first quarter of 2020 just so you know sure let's go back up to that notch there's like 15 sensors in it go up which notch you mean the one that's on the main screen the one that's on the secondary screen the one that's on the rear screen that's before that doesn't want yeah exactly it's on the long edge okay so both we will get into the actual device itself like they are saying that it's going to have their custom OS is gonna have Android P it'll potentially have a custom Snapdragon 855 and like what are you talking about and can I do the honors because I have it right in front of me here go for it all right so this this thing here imagine you know Samsung's Chinese flip phone that has the the Snapdragon in every blow think about like yeah the w so much better yeah great it's amazing I'm sorry about this but in any case this dual Snapdragon 855 so with the and there is a 60 megapixel camera that's at the hinge so it's like it's pointing outwards and the the flip screen like you can turn on a different axes so that you can use it as a viewfinder and there's also like dual 12 megapixel sensors here there's a kind of a structured light thing for facial recognition and there are 12 megapixel freaking 5 cameras here any of the five I don't think I see no oh is mentions in any of this there's 15 times octave optical zoom for the 16 megapixel thing though and variable aperture from 2.8 to 5 point 6 so I mean they're just they're thinking about hey what numbers on this screen can we put that sound vaguely realistic in the next couple of years but you know look at that hinge mechanism that's sticking out on the side right there and yeah I mean it's a crazy concept and like I always say concepts are gonna be awesome to see that's why I actually I allow the notch in my life because I like to see things like the Opel fine 10 and stuff like that happen or the vivo necks and all that and this is the thing those phones actually made it to market so that's the difference here and when the first turning phone came out and I was able to view it it got a lot of views it was it was obviously something that people wanted to see and then it never really went anywhere and then the appassionato came out and then I was able to actually hold it and whereas I originally said I'll see I'll believe it when I see it I did and then it didn't go to market so this is what I'll say with this one I'll believe it when I see someone buy it I'll believe it when I see someone actually give a card to somebody at a manufacturer or a carrier and say I will have that fun please thank you goodbye because that has never happened with this company never so I remember I remember little Michael Fisher since he was on the show I can reference this I remember he he asked me like why you did a really good piece on the appassionato are you are you at all like I don't know how you could do that knowing what their track record is and that was I was very optimistic at the time and I always am when it comes to tech I'm the kind of guy that says oh is this phone the best one no because all phones are amazing you know like why don't we say all things are amazing right now that's the whole point of life right now is that everything's cool and it's like why would I pick a side when everyone can benefit and I'm the positivity dude and that's what that's the that's the mentality I had going in tutoring and they've always disappointed sucks to have Lego Batman be so disappointed by something Jaime popped up for a second there but I wanted a thank you for juicing my connection by the way the show and it was only for a little bit so thank God question for you I I ranted for a little while about Turing and the relationship I had with them now have you had your run-ins with turning a 0-0 relationship it's okay it was weird and I guess I don't know man what they were trying to offer initially was looked like you know what this looks like this looks like southall CES you know the South Hall where you find there's like the cesspool of the voices concepts that pretty much will never make the light of day that's your that's what it you know it looks like something that I don't even see the functionality in the product I mean hey prove me wrong yeah it's one of those cases where whenever I see concept designs I'm tired of it it's just don't show me a concept show don't be something that you're gonna launch this is like you know in most companies I feel that they make the mistake of creating I think we've just gone through so much in the mobile space where you remember like Windows Phone 7 it was a lot it was announced in January it was launched in December like whatever you do something like that you literally killed the products buzz you create buzz and then it just dies out and so whatever you you make these announcements of a concept that's two years away like what do you expect for people to remember who you are three months from now he's gonna care and so you don't do yourself a favor companies like turning whatever don't do this like I think that I think that red is making a big mistake with their hydrogen-1 teaser I think that they would have just made an event you know let the rumor mill play itself red is working on a phone red is working on a phone that's you know that's all cool and then boom three months later just launch a damn thing I think that that's gonna have a better effect then show me a concept that's just gonna allow the the big guns like Samsung to actually put their RMD into hey can we do this and they'll pull it off we have to remember that red is film fans it's not just you know smartphone fans I think there's a good cross-section there but they're more into you know digging into color space and whether I mean they have their own forms that's where we've been getting all of this information and you just wanted to be transparent at that said he has his own kind of this James argent Jannard who is running the place he has his own kind of cult of personality there and sometimes tenets that forget it's in the way things forgive my face but yeah I totally agree with you there and like especially with what turning like one day if they ever do put out a phone it's going to be on the back of all the controversy that they create for themselves like do you want to be infamous and then you prove that you can do something like that's that's that seems like their path right now and I guess my smartphone manufacturers let me let me give you this the reason why concepts work in the car industry is because they make it very clear from the outset this is a concept you're never gonna see this on the road if you do it's gonna be radically different from this and even if it is like this we're going to make that announcement later then you don't come up with like these renders that and then say hey this is gonna be on two years you don't know it doesn't work that way I mean look at vivo vivo didn't even show their phone out to anybody you know the concept phone that eventually became the next very few people were able to see it and then boom just out of the blue we have the vivo next four months later see that's how you do it yeah that's that's how you do it but like like what of what of this concept is even possible it's like whenever I see those concepts of the galaxy as nine I'm like yeah I mean just remove the bezels in Photoshop anybody could do that like it's not gonna happen like technology doesn't really work that way so you know whenever I see those concept designs you know it's there no offense to Evers into that industry it's all great but you know in the case of Turing like whatever I'm like every like I didn't even cover that in daily like it was Sam Kane came up to me and he was like oh yeah dude look at this this looks really cool and I'm like you're too young you have no idea how much paper we're we're exposed to at CES come on no what Brandon make the dance I have to throw something at the light switch work to work see that is a perfect perfect Ferris Bueller's Day Off I think I think that is a perfect way of calling it on this one one thing I did I want to give a shout out to you real quick Jules because this final line of the Turing one I love how you do this it's called a mobile phone right so this is what Jules wrote no pricing has been announced but we do know that the Hubble telescope ran up to an initial cause of 1.5 billion dollars in 1990 to command more than 20 billion and maintenance co-researcher oh man all right well that will probably do it for this episode on that note thank you so much having me this is my first episode as host and it's in the bag so thank you so much for what have you did a wonderful job oh thank you man I really appreciate it if you're watching on the livestream thank you for watching and otherwise thank you for listening from wherever you get your podcasts the weekly is just as much a conversation as it is a show so make sure you get new make your voices heard either in the comment sections 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