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it's a Friday 5:00 p.m. Eastern and I'm here I'm Jules long we are here to discuss all the things that relate to mobile technology from smartphones to tablets smart watches and everything in between the stuff that you would imagine you'd have as a kid my name again is tickle Swan and that was an introduction I am going to introduce Jaime Rivera or multimedia manager in hopefully a few minutes as he tries to get along to his bodega for a little bit of recording and in the meantime we have my friend colleague from Android police Ryan Hagar hello to you in Boston hello to you Jules hey what's been up recently and we haven't talked in a while so I was just hoping that we could I mean this is kind of like the pre catch up because we've actually schedule a brunch tomorrow cell but I was just wondering how you've been I've been good I've been good I mean news is slowed down we're in June there's not a whole lot going on but a lot of speculation for you know upcoming phones anticipating Samsung's deal is the melodrama yeah totally the melodrama has kind of increased even for like just like a more you know kind of filler type of stories just because I mean it's the fact that we are in doldrum mode here yeah early stories is the slow season but nonetheless there's been a couple of interesting things percolating out few new phone releases there was the HTC you 12 well lost and whatever that name really means I mean we had a fan we had an advocate of that phone actually on last week's show because how did you find one well you just have to know a few friends that's all you must have asked quite a few people just like I asked him to be on the sharing and he just came up with that point to find to find someone who's willing to add holy it's like you know I asked about 15,000 people and it specifically invited that one person the only one to participate on the show because we are all in the pockets of HTC not sponsored just wanting a quick second to promote our hashtag be and weekly we want to get a conversation going on whoever later topics this episode and that is the talk about Australia specifically New South Wales the government they're looking into a study on the how kids use their phones in school so from kindergarten all the way up to 12th grade they do and how should they tailor their policies for smartphone use on campus so if you when I talk about that deep snoring Twitter hash tag PN weekly and in any other case you can actually just talk about what we're talking about as we're doing it live at five o'clock on a Friday however if you can't make it live if you really just want to get a question out there and have an answered or you just have to eat pots and you can email them to us we're a podcast at pocketnow.com I met a target I'll have to admit apologize for any background noise from the blended drinks at the Starbucks around the corner cleaning she literally and sweet children bouncing balls like no I totally get it I'm pretty much bothering this space too just by continuously talking for the next hour so I kind of feel bad myself but what I'm gonna do I'm here I'm kind of in this position and I don't really have any other alternatives at this point so we're doing this baby all right let's see what do we talk about first how about let's talk about something that's visual um if you want to refer to your rundown it's linked in the description of whatever podcasting app you're doing I just want you to look at this because this is a it's interesting okay beauty and I won't be able to share it on the screen here because it'd be awkward but in any case so recently we saw this on Weibo pop-up I believe it was from that renowned tech analyst ice universe or something like that it could be it was ice universe and he posted it on Twitter actually so this was kind of a cross-platform promotion kind of thing and it was just a this picture have an iPhone 10 like thing or like a Galaxy S 10 thing in the very basically no bezels there's there's like an edge effect kind of screen going on and there's the cool lot of gloss and very few little business like if uniform goes around the curves around the corners and people were amazed now the beyond word this is that this may be a design beyond that was the tagline that he used there the beyond tagline or the moniker has been associated with the project code-named that samsung is using for next year's galaxy s 10 or whatever it to be called so about people have been seeing this with hey this could be coming in 2019 now I know Ryan that you spoke to me before today about what your convictions are about this picture so haven't what do you think so I looked at in it's a pretty good detail I obviously did it was posted to Twitter so there's it's not the original image so I wasn't able to like play with the levels and see if there was anything nefarious going on it's compressed but that is without a doubt the body of a galaxy s 9 the button placement and the shapes the exposed little bit of metal on the bottom everything about it physically excluding the screen is a galaxy s 9 there's also something weird going on with the reflections going up the sides in the top-left corner I'm I'm fairly convinced that this isn't real and this is a shot it just looks like somebody put a big screen on s-sorry top left corner relative to the original image read it in the vertical position yeah yeah there's something weird about that reflection if there's no it just stops it doesn't the glass should curve unless it's like a harsh edge there and there's there's something weird going on I mean we don't have any light sources that we can just turn this and yeah like what lots of it's left to the imagination just because it's just one image and that you don't see any other aspects to it certainly true but it is exactly the body of an s9 button placement it's pixel perfect I mean it wasn't was it the case for the galaxy is like the essay in an asinine pretty much not the same actually to my knowledge the and as so far as I've been able to telex I actually haven't played with either phone um the button placement did change slightly on the s8 to the s9 there's there's a little bit of tweaking that after basically the same spot but it's not pixel perfect like this so Stanley if this is an s10 it's the first time I've known that Samsung has done this exact consistent placement between generations interesting well if we want to be able to incorporate our friend that just joined the show Jaime Rivera hello to you salutations and hopefully traffic wasn't too bad and it's horrible hello oh but wait a second I forgot my key - I'll be right back here we go here we're gonna have an impromptu hands-on segment it's gonna be amazing and the show will go over by like 30 minutes so we're gonna have a fun time with that I think but in any case yeah I mean there was this kind of addendum to it is universe later posted a lot of the repo stories so everyone every occasion we didn't get to it until Friday because we wanted well because we wanted to let it settle down first but yeah to catch this yes hey we're pretty good we're pretty happening at this point just a norm to that our exposure here microphones on everything is set we're all in like hey have you been behaving chills day out I have your your house or your apartment with with kindness and I've also given out somehow out to your sister's son so that's great - completed good how does a life in the United States I'm currently enjoying the beauties of Latin America we're pretty happy here we are live just to make sure that you don't worry too much information here about and I can go into like three day tour about what I've been doing in New York but yeah I was briefed enough to lend me his sister's apartment for a few days and very grateful again good I'm trying to re rail us and get us back on this Long Island Rail Road Express train - fizzled or bezel-less stuff I guess you could say so I should never walk back just a little bit it seems like on his way low page or their way book page and here's the trail loose translation of what they said foreign media is arguing whether this is a real gut cs10 but my take is that this and I guess a hand of cards figuratively speaking is worth raising this device can be said to have flown out of the country to the international stage this device has all sorts of black magic and cutting-edge equipment in it and may set an international standard so kind of embellishing things around it gods concept it's a concept design it's a concept design I don't think the technology is ready for us to get a phone that has so little bezels like that thing literally has absolutely no protection around the borders and like we know that there is a need for the connector for the OLED so unless they figure out a way to flip with which I I know that Samsung can totally just you know OLED turn it around and pull what Apple did with the iPhone 10 but I don't know man yeah having an extra bit of that display tucked under it so that the connector can be hit in holding the controller with a flexible substrate no need for to show that controller off with the chin so I mean that's the hope then perhaps I mean Samsung if this is Samsung's they control their displays and they control very much all most a lot of aspects including silicon on their devices so I mean if it's anyone that may be able to do it could be Samsung but let's move on from this and talk about another little hot little topic what is that that's he said I mean I'm in target and there's a there's a there's a parenting thing going on over there right now and daddy Starbucks and plunders Starbucks and if you were here earlier bouncing balls this is the life man I mean if you want to be on the road and do things and you know together you have to make everything happen let's not delay any further and talk about delays let's talk about Apple and in its inability to kind of get things straight as it Genda or like maybe an air pod home pod and then the reality sets in engineers find trouble here trouble there with the components are software and just well in general I mean we've been talking about iOS 11 and 10 and how they've been crashy buggy messes and it still doesn't seem like it means just spread all over they're still trying to figure that out so I'm wondering how you guys feel about reports about air power which is their multi device wireless charging panel concept still concept because it hasn't been released yeah I don't know man the moment I saw air power one of the first things that I thought was oh my god I have this I have to link bracelet on my Apple watch and I'm like how am I gonna lay my Apple watch with the link bracelet on that pad you just can't it wasn't designed for that unless you're using their their loops or their their rub the the whatever material rubber or whatever it is the polyurethane I think it is fans unless you're using that you're not gonna be able to use that thing so honestly I mean I guess a lot of people have been making like a big deal over the fact that that pad has been delayed I'm sure that thing is gonna be so expensive that I would rather buy like five different wireless chargers that I could set in just around different parts of my room anyways so for me it's like I'm just giving you my personal opinion I honestly don't care like I feel that just launching a larger battery chart battery a battery pad is is yeah I'm sure that for some people that only have one iPhone and one Apple watch with the polyurethane band and and their airports yeah I'm sure that they're gonna be happy but yeah you know they delay it and whatever like I mean ton there are a ton of really good wireless chargers out there right now like Sarah Hart yeah like speaking for example Diego give me a second give me a second do well he's editing in the daily sorry but I have I have this wireless charger from spigen which supports the fast wireless protocol that we've seen from Samsung it is really good like there are just so many options out there right now and I'm sure that they're not gonna have the Apple tack so it's like whatever yeah it's gonna be so expensive you'd bet the price difference won't be worth the fact you could pick up three or four generic ones and have three or four charges instead exactly exactly like I've got like to show me one of the those wireless charging pucks from Xiaomi I have two of those and over here in the bedroom I have one in the desk over there I like in the apartment in New York I've got three lined up and you know I am sure that all those seven wireless chargers are gonna be cheaper than Apple's anyways so I think I mean I'm totally glad that we're kind of dismissing the hardware at hand I mean so why even bother with this kind of a show of force with the air power I mean if it's going to cause delays if it's going to take up this much manpower anyways then why even bother because I know that we've been talking about or the big deal that has been made about this improvement or recently I guess is that you know Apple's aiming for a buttonless port this iPhone and that this is the way in for them this is the way that they can brand themselves but it's like I don't buy it's like well sure if that's I guess has been there always their vision Johnny I've their head of design has said no less than that like well where does this land because this does not really it doesn't make sense to me well it makes sense to me from the perspective that the more connectors you have on a phone it's more difficult to make it water resistant so bear in mind the more the more components in a product the more difficult it is to manufacture the more margin of error you have for it to you know for it to break in anyway it's it during the manufacturing process oh it adds more complexity and also making the water resistant so for me it makes a lot of sense for companies to consider the idea of moving away from ports completely if they can like I like if the plan is for four ports to be removed in order to make the manufacturing process faster great now I actually covered the news in the daily over the rumors that Apple really wanted to do it through the iPhone 10 for me because the iPhones in it was such a breaking product like before and after I think I would have made a lot of sense for the company to figure it out but according to the according to the rumors it seems that you know just a lot of I guess the test pilot consumers that they got the show the product or I don't know what but according to the rumors its consumers were gonna have a lot of issues with you know you're already killing the headphone jack you're you know you're also gonna kill this port as well and you're not gonna you're not gonna add some air pods into the box and probably one of the main selling points of the iPhone ever since generation one is hey we're including a pair of really good headphones which you know what are you gonna connect them to I would the future be that the iPhone 10 2018 or next years will bring no ports and a pack of air pods could be I mean I feel that that would be great but there are there were other challenges with that with that premise the other one is obviously the fact that wireless charging is horrendous ly slow horrendous ly slow and like in the case of Apple products they don't support the faster charging that we see on Galaxy phones which is not significantly faster but it is faster so and so think about it I mean it's not like if you've got this amazing battery life on the iPhone 10 and you're also going to you're gonna force me to use a wireless charger which means I can't use my phone while it's charging unless I look like really ridiculous while holding it here and there or like on Apple pencil levels of charging light and slow but I want to give one last thought because I do want to move on to Ryan here because in terms of what we've seen is it's the only Didion about Apple is that they're always they're not always the first but they're always better at producing a product and you know piece but in recent times especially with like the side projects you could say that about the air part it's I don't know if you could say that about the home especially because of Siri I mean they were first to that but it was seriously I was involved yeah so what do you think about apples kind of side branches here and kind of letting it on a wither on the vine I don't know cuz it has been ten months since they announced they were gonna do it and they still haven't done it I honestly I can't couldn't even speculate like I don't know if they're holding their feet for new products and they want to make sure that it's really well integrated in the ecosystem as opposed to just the three products that currently support it could be in the future we still haven't seen a Macbook revision we're late for that now that was expected at the event that just happened that wasn't there so it could be we're gonna see this on proprietary wireless charging tech integrated into a wider variety of devices and they're they're holding this back specifically so that it hits everything at once I I don't know on the subject of losing ports though our managing editor David Roddick actually wrote a very very long very interesting op-ed on that subject just this morning that I would highly recommend you give a read I love David's writing by the way so yes definitely go to read yeah definitely it's you know we love what you guys do at Android police because well I hate to make you talk about you know Happel stuff but again like you guys today yeah totally like you guys do pretty good on the cross-platform and kind of opinionated writing because you know David Rykken Reddick has lived with iOS for a month yeah did not touch Android during that time to my knowledge very interesting stuff again well I'll update this as we push live on the audio post for this podcast episode in the meantime I do want to get your first initial take Ryan on because we haven't heard from you on this podcast about the key to just like a quick few thoughts about of it I think the price is a joke it's got a snapdragon 616 and they want how much money for its $600 no no no it's not even it's 1080p equivalent it's a weird ass the DPI is what like something 320 340 I do not really feel the keyboard I mean if I was into the keyboard or if not if not that's that's that's a matter of personal preference I'm not but looking just purely at the rest of the specs I don't think that the keyboards weren't that premium you can pick up at 1 +6 with way better specs for less money well I'm gonna give Jaime exactly 5 minutes to talk about his past several days holding the key to in hand and just going with it and I'm gonna stop you : at 5 minutes oh that's good ok so I've been using the key to for a bit I actually was able to see the product very early and you know I I guess I when I was shown the key one originally I wanted that phone to be everything that it promised to be buried mine I come from the days of the blackberry pearl the blackberry curve I actually used these products not as a fan enthusiast but because I needed them for work I used I worked in ups airlines and this was the way we would communicate and so there were a couple of key elements that were important to blackberries they weren't necessarily the most powerful you but this is not the reason why you bought a blackberry you bought a blackberry because there's software back in the day was incredibly snappy it was power it was very practical and designed to be a communicator it wasn't designed to be a multimedia phone it wasn't designed for anything but to help you communicate and so you need a couple of important things to achieve you know or a communicator to be a communicator but for example for me the concept of it doesn't have a snapdragon 845 or whatever you know I didn't understand it when they launched the previous one and then I started using it for the review period and I guess I entered the review period being like it's got like really and then obviously when I started using it and I got like two days of battery life after like an intensive hall of email and just the typical things that we do because think about it like we literally most of us work from home or work from a remote office most of us are not in the same spot so the concept of chatting the concept of voice communication and the concept of responding to emails is pretty much work for us that's really what our work entails and so it is horribly frustrating to have this amazing power on a galaxy s 9 + or many phones out there and as a result have terrible battery life be be it at 5:00 p.m. and you already need a charger and so for me it was one of those things where it was like shoot if I could have a phone that could be really cuz I always carry two phones and by the way I've been carrying two phones ever since I started using a blackberry because I thought that the BlackBerry Perls keyboard which is too cramped and so I was like alright I'll have this one and then my Windows Phone is gonna be like my primary for content consumption in gaming and so I that was like heaven that was perfect for me because one of these phones was like perfect I knew that I could trust it to be like my workhorse and then I could trust the other one for whenever I wanted to watch a video and the key to sorry the key one was that but the keyboard was too much he just I feel that the software just wasn't ready for what they wanted to do and my experience with the key to is a lot of that has been solved I feel that you need a good three generations for a product to - I mean we've seen it like the oneplus one wasn't the best of one-plus - wasn't the best but then the oneplus 3 was like oh my god this is really cool same thing the Galaxy S one in the two were not the best phones but then the three was like great same thing with the iPhones like the 3GS was like this is such a great phone it's the same thing I mean the key to is not fair in a couple of things obviously our review will go live soon and we'll go into detail over what those things are but I feel that would I pay six hundred and fifty dollars I feel that the price tag is too high I feel that the price tag of the key one at five fifty was still steep the blackberries were never really expensive phones if you remember like if you bought a bold 9900 back then it was like four hundred fifty four hundred and eighty dollars except the making this jump into five into six fifty for me the only problem for me the problem of this phone is mainly that the price everything else like I feel that blackberry has that so third-party apps do a better job in adapting to this form factor than to adapting to the knotch on devices like the p20 pro for example I feel like like Instagram and other apps like those apps adapts perfectly for this phone but they don't for knotch displays in most cases on Android so I don't know man like for me I have no complaints about Android we've got the RAM that we didn't have on the q1 so a lot of the things that I didn't like about the q1 like how clunky the camera was or how sent luggage should be came thank you those things are solved here and oh my god like I love the keyboard just because it feels like a bold 9900 like it's so sweet to type and there's less travel and I love that it corrects when you type not like in the past yeah so I'm gonna cut you off there overall they did a whole bunch of research on the bold 9900 and what you should feel like so they definitely tune in for that I find it interesting to see that there is still that gap between the offering and perceived what should be the price points for this device because you see it in the raw specs right and then also I mean I big case of it but it's like but it's still that not that price especially I'm I guess history has a lot to do with that because of that historically low price but I don't know do you think yeah well I'm gonna go back to Ryan on this do you think that is it 2018 standards that this is pretty much the least that they can demand without looking like it's cheap or what do you think it is um you know honestly I don't know what justifies the price it could be the hardware keyword but that doesn't really make sense to me it's definitely not the specs um I don't think it's the software either because if it's anything like last year's key one it's not gonna get a whole lot of updates which is kind of weird for something you is this being sold to people who are mindful of security business people after the way they handled updates on the key one I really wouldn't pick up one of these assuming it's gonna be this you know high-security device it's quite the opposite based on previous model so I don't I really don't know where the price is coming from your guess is as good as mine but I'm gonna stop you right there I mean we've got devices like the Galaxy S 9 Plus which just got like they boast about not so much and yet that phone has received zero security updates has it not it hasn't like zero like it's it's the worse like the state of Android and updates in general is just really bad really really I mean only people that are doing even like Android one participation is upset at me and I'm grateful for that but also just Nokia in general because they've whether or not they've been on Android when they made the promise of fast quick updates and you know they've delivered even with meticulous inspection on that and this but yeah it's not not the same story right Ryan definitely has a point I mean seriously if you're gonna tell me that this is a secure phone and you're not gonna do your job when it comes to security updates that is a big deal definitely I I guess I didn't use the key one enough there are things about this phone that are really cool I am shocked at how much applications will use your camera or your microphone without you knowing just because you gave it a permission and because you can set the D Tech application to tell you that the camera is being used for me every time I get a notification that's an option on the notification by the way oh my god I've been like so conscience of what phones do now and this is the only phone that provides that by the way actually be providing it with Android P win the great piece starting in and repeat I mean like you know BlackBerry's taking the first step so I guess you could give it a little kudos for that let's just I mean the focus on you know foreground background operations you know and everything that I'll stop the D technique covers is you know that those are a little like bonus point for case use studies you know into the microphone into the camera and whatnot and they're just a whole bunch of like little other things that you know they hope they combine into this one package that is worth your value your time your money so I mean there's a lot to look forward to and that Android police doing some coverage on the Qt as well as Jaime is wrapping up his video review and hopefully the bargains come down real soon your view so definitely won't make sure that you tune in for those I want to take a quick make them excuse me a quick break right now so that I can swallow some tea and not you know get a little dry but also to talk about sponsor so we'll be back in just one second introducing huawei mate pick X Pro when air f27 Awards at Mobile World Congress including best of show laptop best innovation best design editor's choice and Readers Choice with Windows hello you can unlock your huawei mate book Extro with the touch of your finger booth so here fast and no password to remember huawei mate Book Expo now available at Microsoft stories Amazon edu ENCOM for over the time get a free $300 gift card with purchase visit a Microsoft store near you today and we are back with more of a program here on the body non weekly and the just a couple of more interesting little tidbits here in terms of social media well originally I scheduled this block to go first but I guess we'll just start off with Instagram because they've made news this week that they're trying to make vertical long-form content more of a thing I have kind of my I think we're taking it too much at face value we're kind of being disingenuous with it but I mean you've had hands-on with IG TV Jaime Rivera you've actually posted one bit of content so I want to let you explain it from someone that has actually used it so we're actually we were we actually I actually teased that we're that I was going to be in the podcast on IG TV before we went live so everybody that joins thank you so much I oh my god so I we've gotten some really strong response on IG TV a lot higher than I expected we so we're still trying to figure out what exactly to cover so IG TV is literally Instagram you know it's the ground has been copying a ton of things from other platforms and I guess it's been doing it very well like it's the gram stories are playing copy of snapchat but they've done a really good job at it they provide the discovery that snapchat doesn't provide we've got a lot we've got a lot of benefits on IG TV the perfect I guess the problem is they want it to be vertical video and they want it to be vertical video you know it's funny because even Instagram stories now supports horizontal you can fit a horizontal video into a vertical screen you get the pillarboxing and everything but but at least it works but no they want it to be vertical and so you've got we've got so many products where we're like oh my god how are we gonna make this vertical if we didn't even bring this to be vertical we framed it to be horizontal you know camera sensors are designed to be four by three and you know the whole thing about and I still have this debate where it's like yes we use our phones vertically but I see people on the subway all day just using their phones horizontally as well just watching video so it's not like if it's an unnatural thing to flip your phone a lot of the comments that I saw yesterday on our Instagram TV pose were like you know this is kind of weird because we flip our phones all the time there's nothing wrong with that and so we'll see I feel that regardless I feel that it's awesome that Instagram is coming up with something unique I feel that YouTube does deserve some competition I'm actually kind of worried that other platforms have died out and then others are focusing on other things and then just YouTube is being left alone and so I love that we have something new but we are definitely gonna approach ittv differently we're gonna provide different content on IG TV because again of the whole form factor thing but yeah I like that it's easy it's very practical to create content for it everybody can create content and the earlier you get on it the better so yeah that's been a perfect it's what this graphic definitely one of those ground-floor things that we to get into I mean especially as media companies I want to wonder if you have any well first of all personal stake and also if Android Police has been sort of trying to work out what it might be able to you because you you're also kind of burgeoning in terms of the YouTube aspect as well well to be honest I'm not really qualified to speak on the subject of Instagram because I'm a terrible millennial I can count the number of times I've used it on one hand and I have no interest in it whatsoever um so I don't personally use it or have too much experience with it I know that we've we've probably we've been looking into other means for pushing video content and I assume that the people who do that are are looking at that but I I really don't know the first thing I have no interest in Instagram i underst I got met quite a few friends that are just trying to figure what the heck is doing so but I pushing it to YouTube because I'm kind of we were actually just talking about this on our podcast last night like we're I'm really tired of the way YouTube Andals doing everything it does because they do a terrible job of it and Google does just stop like yeah it's just stop giving them as much freedom it's just one hole it's like one short-sighted move after another and I feel like as we go into the growing pains about GTD it's gonna be like that but I just want to fill out just a few more details on this so talking about any content or get vertical but it it lasted as long as 15 seconds up to an hour now that our let me interrupt you there it tells you just one minutes it at least initially your limit is 10 minutes so maybe yeah for more like official public you know contact RIA news like now or automatically for that but 10 minutes is still quite a long time I feel like we're gonna see that bell curve kind of more arranged towards the three four minute mark just to be fair and yeah this it's gonna be interesting to see what happens especially as YouTube feels with the pressure because they have announced just today monetization measures more of those it's such as you know paid access to certain videos turn turns so it'll be interested again to see if we can get all get a bump in this I want to just hit on Oppo find X I'm not sure how much we want to talk about this because I don't know it feels kind of passe at this point that's Wednesday what are you talking about fastings movement what are you talking about probably the coolest products I've seen in a while oh it was cool days ago but now it's old hat just tell me what is cooler than that phone right now give me one pretty cool it's pretty cool it is pretty cool I mean for everybody yes I know servo head freakin camera it's like moving Art's are awesome it doesn't matter if they're useful I don't care all right well you spend time can you know I'm happy it has the AMOLED display because that's pretty much the best that you can get around 99 euros and that's totally fine for this kind of thing I get it I get it you don't like experiment I think it's cool Jules let me let me stop you right there more happy about it the United States for the first time I think yes can I please talk now thank you notches now you're gonna complain about a solution for them I haven't complained about notches come on dude we all have personal thing is that I'm fine dodging it that's the thing I mean smartphones need to evolve we've we've come into this complacency where one company does one thing and everybody follows and then here we have a company that comes up with a completely different approach of how to build a product whether it's a good idea or not do that I mean there's only one way to find out we've got series called reviews we've got comparisons we've got after the buzz videos where we get to test products over time and see how they perform we will see if this idea works or not is it worth 1000 euro oh my god I'd ask you the same question about the iPhone 10 I don't know if I could tell you that I think it's totally worth 1000 here for what it is it's just for the spec but Oppo has always been like that I mean they come up with these like and for me I'm actually glad that oboes back we had the N series from Oppo and then they stopped doing it completely we had the fine series from Oppo then they stopped doing completely and they stopped and they started pulling a ton of iPhone clothes and sure they realize they're Britain but that was like money that they could make in you know send them to be like the second best in a second most of shipping in China I mean I totally get their strategy that's what works in China and you know it's as sustenance than this I feel like they aren't going in this at the right time because you know what Xiaomi has been making a big mass about their global expansion and how they want to get all the money to them and oh the Chinese government is like planning because they don't have Chinese money he's doing whatever but also is just taking its own initiative and I should be happy for them because like we're gonna see something new for the first time it's great i I and for me it's just I just made me it's just that server thing I don't know what what's going on with me and like moving parts but I don't know if you saw this move on it's worth the experience but the point wasn't defined in five I think there's the fine fire that was like introducing it to us because it had one camera but he was on this heaviness and it just flipped around said that like that was amazing and this you know with the like 3d facial recognition and you know and like great cameras like those things in themselves are amazing of it does it really have to be like doesn't have to pop up every single time of the group yeah like why can't I just like pop it up myself and have that option at least because that's not it's not an option it automatically detects it you know when you're doing the facial recognition thing or you're opening the hair no I want to you know the physical redundancy in case an fails I don't know I think I don't know where you start praising the camera too much keep in mind that camera performance isn't much about software's it is about hardware and there is no indication whatsoever that hope knows what they're doing when it comes to that it's interesting to see I've been using a ton of opal phones in the past they weren't necessarily the best cameras but they you know we have to understand that they focus a lot on the Chinese market the Chinese market as a very interesting reference when compared to us the Chinese market cares a lot more about selfies in general and they have catered their selfie technology very well like they have really big give me a second they were they were one of the first companies to actually boost the amount of megapixels on the selfie camera notice I mean I think we you've been having like 20 megapixel sensors from them for a bit their whole beautifying those things like that like they've been investing hard on that and my experience with the primary shooters is of course they're not great low-light performers but don't do a decent job so with a thousand thousand euro job the how that's a good question so this is one of those things where it's like we have to remember that the fine series has been their flagship series for years before they killed it out so honestly I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt I'm waiting for my review unit and I will assess it you know I saw her reviews already went live which I find as as I know that the timeframe for shipping was kind of constrained so okay fine there are reviews already not going to criticize anybody but this is one of the things you need to test and particularly I understand your concern Jules particularly with that mechanism is it able to deliver all the time that's gonna be a very interesting question can it do it or not because you know vivo will give you that selfie camera popping up every now then but only when you eat it whereas this phone has to do it every single time so it's gonna be interesting to see if it can deliver or not yeah it's it is um I just want to also just mention the one other thing that really pissed me off about this was the fact that they labeled their freakin facial recognition like sweets oh and oh face this is their official push into European and North American markets I mean I'll just leave it there oh oh thanks you have the title for your review now oppa find X : this is my o face emoji because of course 2018 is gonna be the year of crazy branding starting with the LG Thank You brand oh god where did you guys get that marketing team because I have yet to meet one consumer that likes to say the thread the word thank you it's because all the good employees and left the sinking ship man this is gonna be the last year of LG man no it's not it's not it's not sinking its thank you yeah no they'll probably stick around from the longer but I really I don't think they're long for this world them an HTC both I mean well I mean LG is means I thought about LG I mean LG both companies I mean both yeah consumer choice is good yeah and then come on these these companies made some really great phones like there was a time where LG was LG HTC was HTC and now everything is everything Samsung everybody else is making stuff at loss I think they're still around because they have that reason they have you know their table so they have a whole bunch of pool that they play in and they might as well have the smartphone division there that's their excuse because they want to play around but the technology and do it anyways because you don't have to make money in that division they got others like laundry machines and whatnot that that make enough money for them it's just you know I don't know how to feel about that if you're not really gonna take it seriously than going take it at all don't take the approach don't take this really approach just no more splat on the wall no more one we're talking but one more talk talk talking topic thing I'm trying to find words here but I just wanted to mention that finally the New South Wales government again is a connecting us a study to see how kindergarten to year 12 students use their smartphones in schools and based on whatever they find they might suggest new policies that will either ban the use of smartphones in school or limit them perhaps even just limited to dumb phones just carry those ruling should yeah yeah so I will we'll have to see about that because the study is only just starting I just want to you know start off with you know wondering Oh what your involvement with phones was back maybe middle school high school I mean I am gleny also Jules I'm not that yeah Ryan please by all means before I mean in college I got a know I think senior year of high school I got a blackberry pearl and I didn't pull it out in class or anything like that but I had one I used it I think I actually would have gotten in trouble if I had used it in class but yeah I I can't say I disagree with the idea of going without smartphones in schools like they've got other things to focus on there's no there's no real reason to have one a laptops one thing you knew what we're gonna laptop maybe a tablet if you believe Apple but I I really feel good well yeah well here's the thing here that can provide as the 23 year old in this group I first saw the first smartphone cellphone just plain old sofa back when I was in third grade Oh Mike silver and years old and lucky yeah I wish I mean that kid was lucky in but it was quite amazing to me how quickly it spread because it wasn't you know it was like over the next couple of years it was probably like maybe thirty forty percent of our students my classmates just getting that phone in and you know eventually that turned into blackberry eventually that turned into you just iPhone or Android mostly on iPhone because you know that's the case that happens to be with teens but as the father of three kids I'll tell you this much I there's a there's a phenomenon happening and we're noticing it with Android P and we're noticing it with iOS 12 where companies are becoming conscience of the fact that we can't consider the fact that things like your if you remember when I was when when the App Store was originally launched many years ago for the iPhone they were like this is gonna be an amazing gold rush for developers and we've you know these companies have allowed developers this insane amount of Liberty and creating content that is really good at keeping people locked into their phones and this is the way they make money the problem is we're really hurting society we're really hurting society because like it's it's very for me it's very funny to get on a New York City Subway and notice that people are all on their phones like it doesn't really matter what age group you're in and everybody is on their phones and it just makes it makes society a lot less friendly to a certain degree and so I find that if you're an adult you have more of you I guess you have a Maura - palate in that phase of your life for you to make the conscious decision if you want to be stuck using your phone or not but as a kid you know kids don't have enough judgement to define if they've spent too much time on their phone or not they just don't and these apps are really cool they're designed to lock them in so I as a father of three would be extremely happy if we could go back to cuz it's funny how a lot of parents these days like I used to go to pee sometimes go to parent-teacher conferences and they're like they're like yes but what happens if I have an emergency and I need to talk to my kid and I'm like how do we do that thirty years ago like 20 years ago there was one phone in the school and if there was an emergency you call the damn school pull the kid from school and you make him talk or a dumb phone is also a good solution yeah so to be fully honest with you oh my god I would love that to be a general rule and I would I would even love it for society's to have like some sort of a restriction where like we as parents are forced like for example the fact that you know children can't buy alcohol or or they can't buy cigarettes until they can show an ID I would love for there to be like a forced parent parental control for how much kids are using digital devices in their spare time I get it when they need them for work but I mean like seriously yes but I'm talking to my friend like God and play ball man like you know go out there it's rap with other kids you know that's my perspective I feel that it's it's a step in the right direction and I like that it's only one country so it allows you to test the ground and see how the reaction of society is going to be yeah I want to get to Ryan's point here if he has one on this particular issue because I am trying to I'm gonna mount a rigorous defense against this here so I don't see how you could I gotta say I agree like when I was when I was in school when I was a kid and we did have dumb phones at the time you were forbidden from using those during class like that was already a rule you can't you can't can't have it you could have it on your person if you wanted to but it had to be set to silent and functionally you may as well not have had one you weren't looking at it you were getting notifications on wasn't having an effect on you and I I think I just think it disrupts the learning process they're there to learn they're not there to talk to their friends they're not there to look things up online they need to be paying attention to things teachers are saying I don't think that I don't think there's any real reason for students to need a phone during class all right well I guess I have to be the one that actually has to just make sure that we get the other side here so you're lucky we're not in the same room Jules I would go ahead go ahead all right but here here the phone represents a medium of communication a medium of wait just the mobile phone is the medium of communication that no that is just represents freedom for kids to be able to actually talk and also just not just when you're meeting up with one person or a medium for the net person but just be able to let people know that you're this you're that you're happy to your side and that you're free to express and you know in some cases without having the you know parents know about what exactly you're doing because sometimes you have things that you keep from your parents because you're not exactly sure if they're afraid or if you should be afraid of them reacting to whatever you're doing the end where you know personal personal a diet personal identities excuse me I'm talking here personal identities and you know or whatnot yeah so and there is a valid use for them in school because during class during class because I was able to text my answers to certain questions you know they learned implementing digital lessons with a thing with a projection boards and a little in class social slides yeah but but again some schools a lot of schools actually don't have budgets or can't really a you know afford to keep and maintain a whole fleet of iPads or or you know they have I t's to deal with with support that infrastructure costs a ton of money and well it may be the future I mean a lot of them will stick to using computers that are well tried and through and that are older and you know this is something that they don't they have less to deal with with personal cell phones they have less to deal wit with in terms of just getting kids to use their own phones and you know a sense of privacy a sense of being able to like be secure and you like typing whatever they want and also just being able to educate effectively and you know quickly I'm sorry that's not dude it's a bit of a stretch it's a bit of a stretch it's a you're entitled to your opinion buddy you're entitled to your buddy I've made a ton of friends on the internet on mobile internet that I don't think I would have because you know I identify one way or another and I'm afraid about what my parents think about you know certainly but do you need to be talking with those people during the middle class I mean if shits going down in the middle of class then yes but you'd probably just about communication about about education it is about education of social interactivity and how people treat each other in southern services holy snapchat Instagram Facebook those things exacerbate and I mean we've talked about in this piece here so now you used your phone during class when you were in high school is what you're telling me oh yeah like while you were studying you were supposed to be paying attention to what the teacher was saying you were instead ignoring that to do your own thing do you want to encourage you are you chatting with somebody else right now as we're doing this podcast or do you need to be doing you don't understand where I'm coming from here I love I grew up with like a very conventional very you know straightforward thing but like we're in evolving society here and insidious is when the immediacy is important when you're trying to you know deal with services like you know how to de-escalate a very hostile situation but you know about Becky just broke up with her boy friend during math well not even well I mean when especially in some cases when people can't handle their management their their manage their anger properly then you know the you find that there are tech services nowadays that rely on certain kinds of data policies but it's like you know it's there's a person right next to you or there's the person that you're able to access immediately that's like hey let's talk things down that's you know go do like okay so when you're just like everyone's supposed to be doing something else I suggest that you listen I'll suggest that you listen to marketplaces make me smart podcasts because there is an episode that does mention this and yeah that talks about the service so using a phone during school well you're supposed to being paying attention to the lessons yeah no no seriously if because sometimes it's the lessons that you know these happenings that these events occur so I mean trying to really I don't know about you I don't know what I've seen I have gone through you know I've seen stuff in my life that really hasn't been you know trust me I come from I come from a generation and I come from a society where being on doing something else while you're supposed to be paying attention is called disrespect yeah that's just the way it is you know and one of the major things it's just the basic principle in life the principles are internal it doesn't really matter what generation you're on it doesn't really matter what you do principles are basic like respecting other people like giving people that's just the way it is don't do to others what you wouldn't like to be done to you you wouldn't like for you to be talking to a person and that person having a chat conversation with somebody else on the phone it's this is just basic human interaction basic human behavior where I understand it's not that I don't understand your point Jules it's just I feel that there I've had so many bad experiences interviewing people for jobs in the previous job that I had because particularly of how introverted most of our society has become because people are stuck on their phones they don't have that ability to socialize with other people they like I totally get the like I come from the generation where tanning is quality and I made a ton of friends and I did it a lot of girls that way you know though but but we you know eventually we learned that those kinds of communications aren't really communications like it's not the same for you to learn to actually address a person directly in a meaning and so it's it's not the same for you to learn those social skills like this phone is not going to teach you that this phone is designed through yes how do you communicate that's the principle but there are a lot of applications in this phone that weren't designed to help you communicate they're designed to help you consume what they sell in many other ways and the biggest problem is I mean that's totally it's not so talking about you know what the ants the the meaning of cynical is I told you and I said the meaning of cynical is that I am Telling You have to subprime okay so it's like I knew that the word this doesn't apply right here I am Telling You that this product is designed to sell me something in most cases like if I don't download for tonight is that how can you guarantee that a kid is not going to be playing for tonight while the class is going on exact actually doing the things that you're saying right now you can't enforce there could be using the phone feed that is cynical that is cynical free to use for you to say that you have something and that you're using it for one purpose but then you're doing something else entirely and that's the reason why I'm telling you children cannot they don't understand children don't have enough judgment they don't have the maturity to learn that it's bad to be playing candy crush while the teacher is trying to tell them teach them something believe notification isn't something you get at that age you know that my friend is being cynical mmm I don't think I don't think you trust they're not children officially if you really give it all of your old an iPad and tell them not to look at it while you're doing something else and it's not gonna happen you're gonna give me a lecture over the concept of raising kids that's kind of a hard one buddy but you know what I listen this that's the beauty of this podcast it's about opinion man this is yours and you're giving it as a millennial and that's awesome man I'm just telling you the things that I deal with as a parent we're for you obviously it's convenient because it's your rights the ones that you're defending but then as a parent I'm the one that has to teach them how to live and I will tell you this much the best way to teach them how to live is to teach them how to survive in the world not how to survive on their phones teachers have not done a good job of that where else did you turn to I'll just say I'll just say that because again there are millions of children that feel the same right now so and that's what you have these you know memes and tumblr and whatnot I mean if you're into the sociology of it you don't have class man it's enough time for it go at home lunch break whatever but not while you're supposed to be paying attention to what's on what's in front when people were saying if we were in a meeting like if we were in a meeting right now and when somebody would pull out a phone and and I noticed that they're playing candy crush what well I'm the boss and I'm telling them what to do and they're not paying attention to me they're fire yeah see here's the thing that's what school is for we teach schools or to teach children how to survive in the world that's what they're for school is basically a memorization kind of bank that you kind of used to gain memory and to use your key but like you forget there's more much more use you problem-solving there is more than there's problem-solving but then again there's also just memorizing a whole bunch of stuff that again you might not know you might not care to remember in 40 years unless you fight it's more about that it's more exploring it's more a little little deep in the rabbit hole I mean you guys disagree whatever trust me ten years from now I want you to watch this podcast again you still think the same way well it's again when I was you know what when I was 23 I didn't think the same well I spelled it allophone so I already know what I think I mean a couple years ago I was on the opposite I'm fine so that's letting you know that I've changed on this subject and then but hey right now I feel like this is where in the conversation it does continue on Twitter them so be sure to keep the conversation going by emailing us that podcast at pocketnow.com you really want to hear the thoughts like you want to get out there and the questions you need answer it also we're on Twitter hashtag PR weekly for example for this show Ryan Hager is that right Hager that's our Y and E H a G R and Rivera at I'm a underscore Rivera take a I am me underscore our Deen and I am at Point pocket now is that pocket now on Twitter Facebook Google+ YouTube where you can find the pocket no daily every weekday I'm cam Berra they all serve a lovely sight pocketnow.com to all your mobile tech news phones we certainly appreciate reviews and ratings I have a podcast support wherever you have to be extremist 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