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Jules Wong who seems to be on the road again good evening from the lovely afternoon from the pocket world headquarters at O'Hare Airport shuttle bus center I'm glad to be here and if you're watching this you can see the third window if you're listening to this then I need to deliver the introduction as we are joined by friend of the show and my co-host for our book review podcast the geek book mr. fat produce himself and Drew Wallace greetings how's it going fellas it is going well I was actually gonna ask you how it's done this show it's going pretty good there's so much so much news this week talked about so much hardware I'm pretty excited so get you frazzled by all there's I feel bad Andrews that we sent you like the night before like well here's 20 links we want you to read up on well well luckily it's been pretty I mean the news has been so engaging and so interesting this week anyway that you know it's just been easy to keep track well it's just it's been more incentive to keep track of it it's been hitting so definitely into the podcast all the news it's a podcast and speaking of engaging news if you would like to engage with this podcast that was a great segue Andrew thank you very much there are multiple ways that you can do that we have the live chat up in in YouTube right now of course it's easier for us to find your comments and questions via the Twitter's using the e n weekly hashtag and if you're so inclined if you're listening to the show after the live broadcast you can always reach out to us with the emails podcast at pocketnow.com where we collect our favorite comments and questions at the end of the month and do a listener mailbag episode that's where we usually pick our favorite questions from so email YouTube chat the Twitter's with the p-n weekly hashtag you too can join the conversation and I'll be looking through this week's comments to see if we can pick out some fun conversation topics I think we need to jump right in guys need its phone announcement this humongous phone's humongous news speaking of engagement there's that Prince Harry guy and the Megan Marco consummating their engagement and that's gonna be like the seventh marriage since well I do not believe well be discussing the consummate marriage since the whole in the seconds rain speaking of 7:00 you know what makes a seven right one plus six I was arc that and you made it but again I I think I think we all got hung up on the idea of Megamart gold with a jitterbug so are we gonna turn that podcast into a fan discussion on the crab great anyways let's talk about the one plus six and let's pretend that we have all of our stuff together so if you don't mind we'll just talk about specs first of course we're talking about Snapdragon 45 for this build biggest year this flagship killer that was called flagship killer six point two eight inches full optic AMOLED display likely means that Samsung Nathan display but sad 1999 Full HD resolution aspect ratio this time around we got six is a ramp standard eight possible and or actually it gives us the standard technically because the mid-range model is kind of the the standard model but there is a six gig option with 64 128 and 256 gigs of storage you got the dual 16 20 megapixel combination camera at the back the 16s for color the 20 is for monochrome for the detail 16 megapixel selfie can't wrap 3300 milliamp hour battery and all this coming in with oxygen OS Android 8.1 and you know now the price and what you get for that price is what's been changing constantly since the introduction of the oneplus series because we started out at that kind of a $300 price point it moved up 400 now it's 500 and now it's a rule actually 529 for the six and sixty four model available only in mirror block they have used like for the main model where all three colors are available near black midnight black and then there's the silk white we're talking about 579 that's 8 in 128 gigabytes and then 8 and 250 kg by 256 gigabytes will only be available in midnight black and that will be available for $629 so with all those things out of the way most countries was that the 30 or so countries that will be getting this movie yes will start to have them on May 22nd I don't know let's say overall takes so far just from text just from the event itself I know that there have been some interesting comments made by Carl pay especially at this well I'd really like to applaud them for at least having getting a sense of unique design at least back from from what they had on the 1 + 5 + + 5 t I'm not super thrilled at the materials they're using but it's it's nice that they have their own design back now and they're not borrowing from Oppo a couple of generations of that has happened but now they've kind of Oppo stayed on that kind of iPhone train whereas 1 + starting to experiment a little bit with the glass and like there's like preparation stuff going on thin and a film canvas but it's it's all still glass which goes in the general trend of all the Android and iPhone stuff that we've seen in the past 6 months but there's no wire as far as I know there's no wireless charging so why would they have glass you know Baez metal is so say at this point right like when HTC throws in the towel you're done yeah I guess I know it's III do overall like the design I'm really really interested in to see because it looks like they're doing the same camera sort of setup that Huawei did did before the three sensor setup and I'm interested to see one to compare image processing to see if say like a like the Leica's work with Huawei is that much better than one plus is doing or if it's more even even an even playing field I mean I'm really interested to see that has a good point especially considering that it's a new strategy because they did do the zoom lens for the second camera up until the one plus five after that it was the three-month turnover between five and five T they decided to change things up to that monochrome sensor and I have not been able to get any like sense of what that has done especially in comparison to the Huawei products but I mean it has been a middling subject for oneplus for the longest time the camera experience because everything the raw power that you get sure that's fine that's great for if I've heard it but when you start to you know raise that price continually you expect more you expect more of a complete package well that's actually one of the things that I think is kind of interesting here is the notion of this phone making bold claims outside of it's priced here you know the people are putting the one the oneplus phones up again significantly more expensive devices but when we look at the price tag I find like those media features like the camera perform extremely well in that price bracket so how do we balance what might be a compromise of price I mean this is gonna be $200 cheaper than a smaller galaxy s 9 and a 300 $400 difference between that and about P 20 Pro which is arguably the best in its field that is gonna be a thin thread to be able to walk well and especially when when they don't have they don't have it an official IP rating and there's no SD card support which for me that's that's kind of a thing for me might not be for everyone especially if you have enough storage in there sniff nitpickers to because you got the type c connection but that's only USB 2.0 spec which is will disappoint other people who are just oh hey if this is about speed if this is smoking fast why not include 3.1 like they didn't talk about that so like you'll still find that oneplus has retained a lot of its core audience all the way up to that you know just how you seeking power geeks and then they're trying they're continually trying to incorporate more of these mainstream or mainstream appeals and they're still just not being able to and actually actuate I'm like just reconciling all this stuff now the actual announcement of this phone for the launch of this phone do you think that oneplus was actively engaged in misinformation there were so many moments of well we're gonna show you these Bluetooth headphones and teasing that is because every other company that's done that has teased wireless headphones at the same time as they get rid of the headphone jack there were all of the rumors and all of the leaks about this being a substantially more expensive phone than the previous one plus I just think there's some interesting psychology of how oneplus is communicating with their hardcore fans and the roller-coaster ride even before the announcement they had they're like well you know we made a bunch of mistakes on the oneplus 2 we got a bunch of backlash we were able to survive that and we learned a lot about our audience have they also learned a lot about gaming their audience into getting the response that they want I mean are your top are you talking about as the oneplus bullets Wireless in general because we had a whole bunch of bait-and-switch moments you know like rumors about this being a six hundred or six hundred and fifty dollar phone and they tease that in the announcement like well and now comes down to price it's only that's that's always a nice baby I mean they've all they've always done this it's not like you know Pete Lau hasn't gone on and said well it's gonna be in the general is that one plus what was it three earth or two like that was gonna be in the general Vince vicinity of $333 that's a nice psycho psychological mnemonic that he wanted to implanted there and guess what it was you know somewhere around that hooray so I mean if if that was yeah people know when the game is up I think because once you start seeing that's six hundred our thing especially when if you're looking at something and you look at you and you're looking at your bank account to see and comparing them to see what you'll be able to afford when you see the up million the up enough of you know the phone that you want and your bank account just say stay in the same on a given year or just because pay raises or whatnot like that's it does it shatters the loser no yes mm-hmm well and with you know I've been thinking about this I even thought about this with the with the 1+5 the they don't have a retail presence here really at all in the u.s. except for I think aren't they doing like some pop-up stores in New York and they have like a few dozen going on right in the Europe and the US and don't forget about the Avengers infinity war branded one play okay I just want to disappear like just yeah half of half of the phone sold will instantly vanish from we feelin so speedy yeah it's just microd it was a Google assistance just like I feel I feel funny and you know but what you have a whole collection of all like seven of the freakin one-plus phones and then they all just disappear and then one plus disappears from existence oh gosh never happened don't worry we might be talking about that I've had another company here so gonna tweet in from from Peter Hayden I'd kind of like to get your guys's thoughts on this using the pn weekly hashtag do you think the amendments made to oxygen OS still contribute to the software do you feel that features like gesture control are more of a copycat move when they could have just promised an update to Android P and that would bring those new gestures we just saw everyone's been trying to edge into an out of android the what the whole game of just upgrading to Android with a project treble and just being on that kind of Google team of just getting things ready fast and here Xiaomi has been getting on to the Android one project and oneplus has also integrated into the Android P beta themselves so that and that was already announced by Google back-end I am so it was I mean the appeals there we've seen social media polls time and time again talking about how people really like pand ride one or stock Android even a pote even if it supposed to very simple very clean and very favorable we rated skins like oxygen OS so it's they're trying really hard to be able to continue to make their mark one pluses but and stock Android might represent a cost saving stock Android might represents more of an attraction to maybe just normal people that are used to stock on Android a lot of the pixel or something like that so yeah there's a road there's the head its forked well and you know I wouldn't be surprised oneplus was working on gesture paste stuff before it became widely known you know Android P was going to incorporate a lot of it because I mean Motorola has been doing this for a little while with with their their little home buttons I mean it would the writing was kind of on the wall at least a year ago or more before even before the iPhone 10 came out the writing was kind of on the wall that that's where kind of people were kind of looking and honestly anything that helps with some one-handed use I'm happy you know gestures could be good for that I mean it makes me think of like when LG and Samsung had their own implementation of window and window and and then then they just LG's just straight it was like whatever we're done with our version and then just implemented implemented it seamlessly now of course it was for the most is pretty similar in how they were momenta Daz far as from a user standpoint versus like gestures where you could have you know completely different gesture but I mean it most people most OEM seem to be kind of going in a similar sort of space when it comes to one gestures do what so I'm not surprised Steve Becker in the YouTube chat because this is sort of the follow up idea to is whether or not we're were encapsulating features that are gonna be built into a future version of the OS but stocker Android just brings speedy updates do we do we have concerns here like I think oneplus has been has been fairly reliable in updating their products especially for not having such a huge portfolio of devices that they need to support is this another step where we might be concerned because of these kinds of additions that it might prolong the update process or do we think that they're gonna be able to stay on top of these big shifts operating system to operating system and then security updates in between well if they're growing as fast as they say they are then there should be no question that they should adopt and quickly update constituents as fast as they can for their latest phones that's there's no question their devices have worried like I guess do any of their older devices have a worry oh because they've been really bad about updating older devices so I'm interested like what's the last update that the one plus three is getting yeah I think it's still gonna be new good because I know five teen fiver have well you know trouble is a big thing to like what was it I mean I'm gonna go back to Kwame again but was it last year um I'm a nine I basically didn't get an update the entire year that I had you know during that entire year and and I was going on the March 2017 security update this year since I got the Oreo update with trouble which I'm in hundreds it's a it's trouble but it seems like that helps because I've gotten I mean I'm still a month behind on the security update but I've been getting them consistently though so I mean I hope that that's gonna be something that helps a lot with with oneplus because at this point for bad software support for their previous devices almost anything's back right now yeah I remember correctly I don't believe the five or the five T ever got proper trouble support so I'll be curious to see exactly what oneplus implements on the 6 and the 3 and 3 T I did get Oreo it's just that they went through one of those halt phases phases that it seems like every Android phone that's trying to upgrade from unit to Oreo is like oh we're releasing Lauria right now oh there are buds now and we're gonna pull back on the a for this for several weeks to figure out what's going on so the three three t apparently went through one of those stages but they hit they haven't yeah I mean gosh they're not the only ones who've had that problem recently I mean Motorola's been having problems with the Oreo on their devices Samsung HTC show me like heck is Google I think it's a systemic problem for Google yeah it's funny because we've mentioned before Apple had those problems with iOS iOS 11 was a really rocky launch Oriole wasn't as rocky stills had some significant issues that they've had difficulties ironing out and it seems that both of our major smartphone software producers are having some growing pains in incorporating new features and new services wellness two layers with Android because like I mean I even have problems on my mate 9 right now with Oreo because and it's and I think it's a quiet thing more than Google cuz there's about a 10% chance whenever I unlock this thing that it'll just reboot it's quick but it's annoying or whenever I have YouTube open and it'll just you know just have it sitting there and it'll just go into a picture-in-picture mode you know and I haven't really seen that on any other devices so it's like with Android it's even more complicated than iOS yeah just a quick wrap up on this because we have lots of music it - what are your opinions about the vols wisely because this kind of bucks the trend of wireless earbuds just a little bit which is to be expected from well plus maybe they just they finally found it impractical to make the perfect wireless earbuds at the press that they wanted to but also they're going with the flexible band around the neck and that reminds me the Jabra elites 45t that I still want but maybe I'm looking at this instead I mean I really as long as you get tangible benefits from having the band like more battery life and when I'm fine I mean like I've got my little ear buds here that I just you just claps and I thought I thought you weren't you were going to describe that you weren't going to audio ly describe them for our listeners yeah well it's like Oh No like the form factor so it's like I'm I'm not opposed to it like I'm just I'm terrible about losing things so anything truly Wireless I'm I'm accepted that if I the day I get one I will lose them within six months I feel like that's even with like a lost puppy that's not really good advice but I think outside of just the fact that they released a pair of Bluetooth earbuds I I think one of the things that I take away from this most recent announcement this is a company that is doing a good job of growing up from where they started I think they still have some significant issues in how they publicly handle some of their problems like when their credit-card processing was messed up or just the bad look from when they were uploading user data which was user identifiable into into a cloud bucket not really properly safeguarding that problem but on the whole I think they're doing a good job of managing a pivot to a more mainstream popular smartphone delivery a smartphone approach not just hinging on pure enthusiasts but trying to get their fan base to grow that conversation having an ecosystem of products not just a gimmicky VR headset or a backpack but things that really relate to what it is that they're trying to accomplish I think is a is a good step in the right direction I'd actually like to see them execute on more of these kinds of ideas how do you like Apple or Samsung how do you make a oneplus lifestyle how can you make one plus a you know a fashionable part or you know a crown jewel part of your overall mobile gadget life I mean if opera or their parent company BBK wanted to that they could they could splash the money to create a great rival to Xiaomi who's trying to expand around the globe at this point majestic it of a time for them because they're already in there primarily focused on America Europe and outer Asia so they would have quite the advantage there sounds good yeah I mean I'm pretty much an agreement there I mean as far as like a lot of times when I think with oneplus it'd be like the minimalist almost sort of way you know approach kind of like a essential except I guess you more customization in the software side but I'm just imagining the lifestyle of oneplus being like somebody lives in one of those really small minimalist houses you know it's like but yeah there's a house in Austin in like the Charles Terrance section that is an artifact of just you know Colonials and it's like six feet wide and three stories tall and it's amazing how the person lives that it's like and the rent like the day or something is like $9,000 a month so it's just about as good as any studio alright are you ready to dive into the new circuit we have another comment oh I think we think we're doing really well I mean there was a long conversation this is also from the p-n weekly hash tag and in the YouTube live chat people talking about the design of the phone and this is one of those concerns I think we touched on a little bit that we don't necessarily need to dive too deeply but this is from Aditya in weekly hash tag what's up with Oh what's up with okey keeping a glass back supposedly for improved network connectivity but not including wireless charging no official IP rating does this mean that the glass back by itself is more of a flagship feature than water resistance and and I think that's that's a it's a general sentiment which I has been carried through a number a number of comments and a lot of the commentary on this one plus launch and I it's one of the things that I would personally point to saying glass is shiny it seems to get an emotional reaction out of general consumers it makes sense to me that oneplus would pivot towards trying to expand not just satisfying the desires of lists so you make your phone out of glass because people think that that means premium and it does come with the benefit of better radio management but this is still a five hundred and twenty nine dollar device so you know they're probably not gonna push too far into expanding other features like wireless charging or IP ratings or anything like that but there will still be compromises with this price tag this is a $400 phone with IP 16 whatever chart like which phone sorry you got a little too squeaky on me there the Moto X floor yeah but the Moto X 4 isn't gonna have a Qualcomm 845 and I'd be willing to bet good money that the headphone jack on the oneplus will grossly outperform the Moto X 4 for audio one plus one plus has been you know consistently beating flagships for things like audio so you've got a shiny glass phone two shiny glass phone chipset to chipset display quality to display quality audio - audio and I bet the cameras hang in there really close I'd be I'd be really interested to see how much what the price what the cost difference with labor and materials would be between manufacturing raw materials and manufacturing for a glass back with a metal frame versus a unibody design and just the margin they even want to achieve at this point right exactly I mean that could be changing too and we don't have any sort of line of sight on that yeah yeah all right yeah well we'll have plenty of time to review the one plus six and it will obviously be given you that review come due time when the next AB are gonna left so I'll see you then in the meantime our podcast continues are the news and yeah I'm gonna say I'm gonna apologize for the boringness of the start of the news because I know people are kind of already hyped up on politics and you know you have other places to go do that but it like this is the Trump era and this is we didn't expect to be talking about Chinese manufacturers Chinese trade tensions in regards to Chinese tech manufacturers being able to make phones for international we're like they're smart easy to use smartphone business I'm sorry again onto this tangent before even going to the news but see teens smartphone business is not good in China and it's doing it's like you the u.s. is like maybe like their fourth like that so this is a pretty darn important for them and I guess we'll just get back into it and to talk about how legislators have legislatures excuse me have essentially they've walked the Trump administration from doing anything to revoke the Commerce Department's seven-year import ban walk easy TV from importing any us-made products there was the House Appropriations Committee that voted on an amendment that was drafted by Democratic Representative Dutch Ruppersberger the Maryland and yeah this is it's not good especially with the Sunday tweet from president Trump saying that he would work with President Xi Jinping to basically save ZTE and he ordered the Commerce Department to seek alternative remedies as as a Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross as said so I don't know where do we stand here where is what happens here it sounds to me that the house is basically telling telling the Trump administration to follow up on his campaign promises of America first as it were on this I mean what ZTE did was was not right as far as selling selling their devices in Iran and North Korea and I mean I mean we've there's this discussions been said before about how the severity of the punishment is really what for a lot of us techies like to see more competitors that's kind of our point of contention really is it's it is kind of troubling to see to see the the executive branch being a bit flippy-floppy on it as it were especially if it's in the open but with how this is all going but you know I don't really know oh it's gonna happen after this point was easy we've got there's some a little bit more news about potential first with CT as far as hardware and you're obtaining new new hardware for their chipset someone not but I mean they still aren't gonna be able to use Android as I as I understand correct yeah because that is along with Google Apps which I think actually they will still be able to use the International open source project of Android AOSP does that is sort of an open you know he's not like that that's that lock anything but that's not really what we understand is a working smartphone today especially with like software updates they haven't been able to update their phones because they're mostly Google patches and then this also extends to everything else to imagine every single cloud service from a United States based company that your phone will no longer be able to utilize gosh and you know I I know at least a couple couple people who have exon sevens and and I've told them I'm like you know you might want to sell your echoed seven before the prices start going down because it's gonna be hard like the used market for demand for these is if depending on how this ends up turning out is gonna end up hosing anyone who bought and does eat any easy te devices I mean yeah he's a nice thing is is like we're talking about a phone that's over two years old and so a body even brand-spanking-new at $400 the axon 7 I'm sure has served you well at this point the whole thing with ZTE because their main bread and butter is with the prepaid sector at the budget sector that's where they produce the most smart phones from these carriers and they get a pretty good killing off of that so like a half of metro pcs is phones are just gonna be nanami no mall the head Creek I currently use cricket but I mean I bought it unlocked on but I went to a cricket store and how you enjoyed those 8 megabytes you know it's ok like I'm not like I'm okay with streaming in for a you know a standard definition sometimes depending I wanted to put in the freaking lowest Verizon's thing I they launched the thing earlier this year but I don't remember the the branding that they used but it's a it's a prepaid carrier 40 bucks a month for everything but they limit everything to like I think if it's per second and then lower for everything else so it's just like is this going to be the new concept in prepaid where we're just gonna cap the speeds to something that's barely usable well Cabot LG lucid 3 with like SD and SDHC on coming to the aid of ZTE in saying that they would supply Exynos chips to them I don't know that the chipset would be enough to keep a smartphone business in in working order I think you might need a lot more technology than just processor I'm more excited about the fact that Samsung is willing to outsource their to sell some of their chipsets because I just want more competition with Qualcomm because I don't want to have another year of that's an equivalent of what happened with the 808 because there was pretty much an almost no competition at the high end for like you know for a lot of the devices that are out there and so a huge chunk of devices of high-end flagship devices from 2015 I can't ever recommend anyone because the chipset was garbage and it was widely adopted so I you know I really wanted Samsung and Huawei both to go and have I want to see a more proliferation of their of their chipsets out there for competition yeah yeah especially with the media tech - they've been stepping up their game in the wake of this Qualcomm's antitrust lawsuits and they've been doing better and better by the day and morgan signing up more to google's initiative so i'd like to see something coming out of them as well in the meantime we have more dreary news to talk about in terms of congress but this time we're moving over to the senate where has a pastor bill protecting revoking the repeal of the FCC's restoring Internet freedom order which would have removed net neutrality regulations on ISPs it was 47 Democratic members with I believe two or three Democratic no two independents and three Republican members as well which is it's more of a showing than we expected because we originally thought it was going to be a 51/49 vote but yeah this is a I mean II D doesn't count okay doesn't come up too much because the house would have to vote on this Donald Trump would have to sign it though all they're hoping to do right now this has been talked about is basically get people out there voting and using this as their turkey issue so especially where where everything where the news seems like it's accelerating right into your face on Facebook and Twitter and whatnot like there are a whole bunch of splinter issues that's already defined people but I don't think many people realize that yeah that access to all this information or their way to advocate easily is through the internet it's just been there for part of their lives I feel like this should be more of a hinge to everyone it really is well and the big problem with this is just is the campaign of misinformation that's out there that's that's basically the big hurdle that because as far as folk were thrown at neutrality I'm from the Midwest and and there is a there is a big presence of misinformation when it comes to this topic and it's good it's gonna take us us out there as people who know more about this to go and help educate people even if they're not not necessarily willing you know because it's still important to have it out there I mean go on contact our that because I mean on Reddit I'm pretty much every reddit thread that that talk covers the story they have a list of all the Senators who voted against it and even if you know they're probably not good they might not they might not listen to us but it's still important to go out there and state our displeasure at that the decision-making and voting Paul the policies that they are you know with this so it's an ongoing battle but it's it's symbolic but it's still it's an important uphill battle yeah especially because it's I was listening to the NPR politics podcast this week and it seems like the Republican side of things has not really paid much efforts into their messaging and has basically decided to let the other side win so it's only a matter of time before if you if you're able to educate or if you're able to get the message to be able to clarify things for the people around you or maybe even other people to strangers you might want to participate in this whole process well it seems like they're relying on the ISPs to try and and educate even though - they had obviously have a certain stake in this but the seems like the the people who are anti net neutrality are relying on the Internet service providers to try and educate their race well it's it's because that's that's their share that's their stakeholder oh yeah absolutely and it's and it's just it's it's important to help people realize that that information is not unbiased yeah so you know that's a lot of what I see on my and where I live at and and it's important to help educate people on it's almost like the the basics of just realizing that these companies aren't your friends they aren't really looking out for you so yeah that's all I know knowing is half the battle absolutely all right let's read I will admit I underestimated read in what factor that they would not be able to get more than at least more than one care here in any particular market for their hydrogen wine holographic for you camera smartphone that would be modular and it's gonna be crazy it's for this very niche set of Cinematographers and it's basically not going to sell well so why would a whole bunch of care they sign on for this well they may be able to frame this as an enterprise kind of felon or something like that notes but 18t and Verizon reportedly working on this and they're like the Verizon VP of devices Bart product marketing Brian Higgins he says that you will have to experience it yourself to understand why it's such a mobile game changer so and AT&T has demos come down to us right here that's gonna be that's gonna be I think oh I mean I think it'll help because I mean gosh they especially with like that 3d whatever display assuming that it's not crappy like on the HTC EVO 3d and the LG whatever that was you know back in the day I mean you're gonna have to see it kinda it's kind of like what was 120 Hertz on the on the razor phone you're not I'm not seeing when physically so I don't have a visit I don't have an appreciation for that for seeing it but you you can't capture it on video I'm just I just think it's crazy that that red who doesn't even have a phone product out is able to get on more carriers than with their niche phone then HTC with their mass-market phone or our essential which had a sector of Android behind it but I don't know Jenna's jernard he like who you knew he said that he who knew that a sunglasses guy could turn things around and start up a sitter of dog free company and well I guess we shouldn't be under estimating him in the slightest I'm sorry Janice but I think I think what's interesting here is getting those carrier wheels based on the the read name when this is gonna be a very unproven product we covered it recently on the podcast talking about how the people behind manufacturing in this phone have admitted they don't know what they're doing and manufacturing a phone I this this to me is it I almost think that may be essential was better off not having the same kind of carrier high-profile carrier relationships and trying to build up a more grassroots I think they went after the wrong market going after the same enthusiasts that might have supported a1 plus I think they should have tried to go after general consumers and produced their groundswell there but it makes me nervous for bread where maybe they should just be going after people who own their cameras may be going after cinematographers and trying to build up a user base that way before going for this high profile Terrier well maybe it's just marketing talking money talking to money at this point I mean denied big success in both this Oakley and his red friends and a teen teen Verizon kind of finding their differentiators and just media whatnot and perhaps looking at this as a possibility for further deals along the line with read the cynic in me and I don't know Andrew what you think about like you know price performance and all that but the cynic and me would say Verizon is gonna be much more interested in carrying a $1,200 phone if they sell fewer of them they still make more money on that then if they carry the next HTC which is going to be a 650 to 700 dollars well well and of course there's attachment someone ought to though probably accessories and whatnot that they'll probably sell with it as well but one thing I'm wondering too is could the carrier moves be a move to help mitigate to help shift some of the advertising costs to the carriers and then they can invest more of their money and development R&D in production maybe I'm not you know I'm not I don't have intimate knowledge in the deals and how might you know as far as that you know how much they have to give to X&Y carriers to be able to in a wheel and deal to be able to sell them and have them promote them but I would believe that AT&T and Verizon would have more marketing budget to market this particular product than redwood themselves cuz I don't know you guys never really seen a red commercial probably not a red camera did you say one more time you probably have seen a commercial manager on a red camera Oh seen a lot of commercials made on red cameras that's the only advertising they need pay is ten million dollars to remove the watermark yeah all right let's see what else do we have cooking up this week I have lost the page from where this podcast is I think that's what I have up is the HTC story if we want to gentlemen let's talk about it to HTC stories this week first all first of all the confirmed one which is the blockchain found that they are talking about it's code named Exodus and basically this is a we're going to try and create a larger freaking big watch a network then a theory a more even Bitcoin hazardous point which and last check was in the fifteen thousand range so if HTC is able to even achieve fifteen thousand sales of this phone and they're already kind of breaking their goals here but encouraging decentralization they're talking about making sure that your data is is it as easily easily accessible by these decentralized services or Bitcoin cryptocurrency is that you use to pay other parties and not have it be tracked or have it all publicly I guess tracked if you know what I understand of the how the lettering process goes through so but overall this isn't this is just a niche phone now if I want to type that to my next story here which talks about rumors of HTC vive phone which appeared in a video that was leaked by every blast or just a split second but it was there of HTC vive phone that now apparently has a codename with Genesis and while you can't see anything at HTC Genesis comm or Genesis phroneo at this point Evan said that he was able to see a vive logo for a on the first page and we were able to track down who s information detailing that HTC did own the donut the HTC generous Genesis tell me so is is this the right way to go is HTC if it has really not been able to fight in the mainstream could specialists be it's only I'm gonna be a front and honest I think I I have mostly negative views on some of this cuz it sounds to me like they all their board members ended up meaning upon their boardroom and going well you know people are pissed off about the about your privacy and well and crypto currencies real bakeable this is let's just make something with blockchain you know and and it's that combined with like their one property that's actually doing fairly strongly with vibe so it I don't know it just sounds lack of a better afraid just kind of desperate to me they already do it don't worry that's that that your your choice of voice for HTC is screwed by us by a staff of Muppets own brand our owner Brandon minimun would be proud of you for being act out in such a fake all of us do like just like role-playing HTC and engineers and know like not just trying to figure out what but why the hell they decide to use the for negative so ultra picks okay ultra pixel camera was great for pixel camera was wrong yeah okay like I mean I when I saw the initial article about the blockchain thing I was hoping that there was just something wrong with my brain and I and I was just seeing word salad happening and I was making it up but no I I really don't think like I mean I mean mo k if they're more if you're marketing a blockchain that's like your big thing to make it stand out because I because looking at all the other last leaks which we'll get to later it looks like part of what they're trying to do is have like that be their stand out feature at least where I'm at with the with the average consumer like my dad has nice she cm8 still he's got like eight of them that he's been cannibalizing together every time it breaks and and it's like the first thing that you'd ask who's goes oh what the hell is blockchain you know so I don't think this is really gonna help them sell phones that well I'll say like I think I'm a little bit more positive on this move than you are if only because I have this romantic notion of some kind of Silicon Valley can we build a new backbone for the internet which is decentralized and removes different types of controls like government controls or corporate controls from the equation we're concerned about net neutrality policy could we create an infrastructure which could circumvent it and watch-chain has become this buzzword you know investor angel investor kind of term which is being used for everything that doesn't really have anything to do with what we're talking about there but I am curious to see a manufacturer like HTC examining what they might be able to do from that standpoint from a security standpoint for the by phone I'm just shocked that it took him that long to figure out that the vibe brand made them look mega cool so maybe they should put it on another product because if they could do a buy Vico system like what oculus is doing with the oculus go and successive HTC branded products a vive lifestyle phone a vive standalone VR headset if you were like lenola for oculus is doing and you flesh out an entire ecosystem there HTC looks a lot cooler again five makes HTC you look cool and hopefully some of that can rub off on their phone since no at a ton of their phone talent just went over to Google you know what well especially go ahead I was gonna say you know what would be really interesting is you guys remember when the GFI they had the g5 in that little head set where they basically just had it where where what was it like you basically plugged the phone up into the headset through the USB cable and it wasn't like the phone wasn't directly in there well imagine the inverse what if the vive phone served as a display and then you could just plug it in to you know say your computer that you'd want to have that you could that it's capable of running VR and have like a budget version of the head of the vive headset that has that you can put the phone in that might be something that would be interesting it could realistically not gimmick Li I mean I think that's that's what we'd be curious to see if this is just a branding exercise then I agree with you it's just a move of desperation to slap a logo on that might be meaningful but if they're creating an ecosystem of products that that build off of their successes then that's exactly what we want to see from a company like HTC is learn from your mistakes and learn from your successes and pull the company towards what's working and what's selling anytime I throw on a vipro it's just head and shoulders better than any of the other experiences that I've had in VR and and to build off of that could be really exciting especially with the whole public zeitgeist though movies like ready player one and people are starting to get a bit more interested in the space go look up all the videos that we you can find on beat Sabre if that's easily one of the most popular things that we've ever put together on Newegg is Trisha and I playing beat Sabre for the first time in failing but you know it's ridiculously fun and you see this stuff explode that really communicates an emotional response to people and HTC should be leading the discussion on that instead they're in this weird holding pattern on how can we convince you to to go with this premium VR thing and then also maybe consider us for the phone in your pocket - yeah I'm sorry glad Jules I was about to say that again you bet before you got a couple things like that eight the Google deal with 2,000 engineers going away and then basically just kind of being odion's at this point to Google as opposed to anything truly original going on over there and it's like well I mean they filled with so many quarters on end just trying to do their main thing you know appeal to the mainstream while holding on to these practices like prank like prestige pricing that didn't work out for them and it has not worked out for them and they've been stubborn and in some cases we'd like to see them hold on to metal as opposed to everyone going over the glass like until well they were able to make their own take on glass and we were kind of appreciative of that but I mean when people it was great in that solar red car was great but I'm like no it did the rest of it was just an Android phone with like squishy sides that you could blast they've lost one of their main differentiators III will get cranky and I will repeat ad nauseam differentiators matter and if you want an audio phone you no longer shop in HTC you shoppin LT the g7 is the king of smartphone audio for 2018 so far it's undisputed this is the channel this is this is the mark to try and take down if you care about your ears I mean you might hate your ears and that's fine but if you if you like you know listening to good stuff then this is the phone that should be at the top of your list I don't know maybe I prioritize Apple messages over my ears or or the iCloud thing is you have a differentiator again you have the vibe if they can have another differentiator be security that could be very important and very compelling for building a product off of but we're in this holding pattern until we see can they actually put up or is it shut up time the one how much how much R&D budget and talent do they even have left now because because I mean I've got to think they don't but I mean gosh we know that for years that they've not had it parity as far as marking budget but now with Google taking a lot of their talent how much do they or the actor we rest in differentiating themselves from aesthetics yeah as we as we understand it that mm that was sent over less half their hardware art the people working at hardware so yeah well it and that looks bad but I think if we were talking about a vive phone or this exodus what we're talking out is likely the last year of whatever manufacturing content was derived from the engineers that went over to Google smartphones are usually a two to three year building process we're gonna be kinda at the tail end of that now but these are likely the projects and the experiments and the designs that were from the company when it was still intact after this point they don't have something to build off of then I would be very concerned about what future they have left I I'll be very surprised honestly and this is coming from someone who kind of got into mobile technology because of HTC back in the old Palm Pilot and Windows PDA days I I don't want to see a world without HTC but I'll be very surprised if they're continuing to be a phone brand in any meaningful way over the next five years yeah I agree with you definitely one cuz I'm the guy who has a sticker at HTC sticker from my that I got with my droid DNA on my tower yeah my first HTC phone was the HTC Rezound on Verizon that's beautiful oh man yeah like it was and that was I mean heck that was even before you know right before the m7 that hardware design still holds up you know the even though you know people moved away from you know the plastics and the soft touch why not it's still I still think in a lot of ways that was a some of their best designs and they came out with of course it was mostly a large apart was driven by Verizon but yeah it's just they've kind of lost their own identity and it reflects in their lack user just users and consumers knowing that they still exist almost these days yeah well maybe there is no reason for HTC to battle for something that Apple Samsung LG Xiaomi Huawei who else Oppo vivo 90 other manufacturers have already taken over for them that's that's I guess we'll have to see if this specialist or nice round can move forward further for them let's talk about these next few just quickly as possible Microsoft maybe perhaps run in a Windows 10 iPad of some sort $400 range could be released this fall summer like are even well holiday season I guess would be the best way to put it but uh yeah this is in what do you think surface iPad surface bad what are you talking about here hey I'm all up for things being at a lower price point it more accessible at a lower price point especially market disruptors like the surface line I mean what was didn't we have one that was similar to that price and the surface RT and then there was a 33 yeah yeah I mean that's a very accessible point honestly and if you're not gonna do any sort of gaming I mean as a Productivity tool it's great cuz the form factor makes it worth it in a lot of ways as long as it performs well but yeah I mean I think having these this type of disrupting technology at lower price points this really is the only gonna be good yeah yeah well there's also the fact that this is kind of straddling into the education space T because I had always well for the past several generations they've been recently I think you're talking green education and that already has a pretty good stauch going on with Chromebooks and whatnot so is this just crowding out the market now this is the tricky part for me is if they change the form factor too much and it can't rely on other surface accessories like the keyboard blades and and stuff that's already been established III think it's gonna have a little bit of difficulty in the market and also it's a premium price tag if they're talking about education at all unless they have some amazing initiatives if you consider the iPad with yeah but that's that's not really the benchmark you brought it up yourself Chromebooks will still eat this thing for lunch Oh totally out of school districts out there that are trying to consider do we want our students walking around with a $400 slake or a 200 dollar laptop form factor and one's really more practical for them getting their work done well it depends on the benchmark that's set by private and public schools and charter schools and whatnot because they're all different in they serve different incomes which is kind of stupid but you know that's a matter of fact here well yeah I think but but I don't think there's as much momentum for the for public schools to look at premium devices like iPads again the experiments that have failed spectacularly publicly well and with I'm thinking that this would be a little bit more useful for most post high school where people people who are going to school post high school are starting to get more specialized and what in they're deciding more what feel career fields are wanting to be in and just having a platform that's going to support as the potential to support more programs and and what not that they would use in the real world in the real work force then saying what Chrome OS might have is I think that is where this could shine more possibly perhaps but I mean they're already trying that out with the surface laptop which for them has produced middling okay results so far at 999 right that's where you put the end you know that's part of you expect you because that is correct me if I'm wrong but that's that's you territory right that's the intel core you with the more powerful than the like dual core why processors going on yeah but for a lot of like for a lot of consumers out there none of those specs mean anything they're gonna look at a thousand dollar thing or four to five hundred dollar thing and then if it's basic you know text entry document support social media web content stuff like that then the thousand dollar thing isn't really gonna win that fight I just hope that Photoshop actually functions decently well I thought yeah they're going to be at high school or college with those specialist degrees let's talk about a matter of marketing a matter of branding at this point with YouTube and whatever the heck it wants to do with YouTube music the YouTube premium both these rebrands coming out soon YouTube music well YouTube music is kind of google play music but on YouTube combining the platforms of music videos and actual music Digital streaming itself and then there's also YouTube bread which is now going to be just YouTube's premium so at least we don't have to worry about any one confusing that for a porn site so what do you think about this Quan I feel like you you've been pretty agitated about this movie I mean I there are just so many different parts and pieces and I got off the Google music train because of their ridiculous device restrictions I went back to Spotify haven't had any problems there using that service with any device I want on any on any type of speakers or TV that I want and Google will eventually walk that back but it's it's been frustrating watching them try things instead of looking at what services are working which ones need to just be swallowed up by the others and then having these noxious co-branding and overlapping four things make YouTube red or YouTube premium just everything III think I would be much more willing to give Google more of my money because I'm a YouTube TV subscriber I'd like YouTube content YouTube premium content to be a part of what I'm paying them for for their TV competitor why are these they're they're these artificial barriers to all these different services when you could just give me the YouTube plus and I would pay you money for that I don't want to have to have different tiers and different subscriptions and different models and that's what keeps me on Spotify and it's what keeps me subscribed to everything else in addition to YouTube TV and why YouTube TV has become sort of the least valuable arm of my cord cutter strategy but it's something that I still appreciate for TV on YouTube Play Store awesome I I don't have any incentive to give Google any more money right now until they figure out what what I value as a customer and it doesn't seem like that's gonna happen I mean I'm kind of been in a unique position where I've had Google Play music since the very beginning so I've been paying was at $7.99 a month so I'm just like whatever do whatever you guys want this price I don't care you know I was I was there too and I let it lapse because it's like I can't keep fighting them to let me like authorize new phones right I mean and I mean for mine the big thing for me is that Google Play Music even though the app is reception has been mixed I've been really happy with the feature of being able to upload music that I have like so I have a you know gosh what was it back when I was in Middle School in high school I have tons of CDs and discs from then that you know you from music that you might that's not really available on a lot of streaming services so I can just upload it Spotify got rid of that as a you know that ability and it's that's something that's important to me so that's why I've stayed with it but also I still I still was how much are they raising the price by what how much are they raising the price by it's two dollars two dollars ramune I mean it's still kind of a better deal because you get YouTube red or whatever they're gonna call it rebrand it now and being able to just have because for example whenever I listen to this podcast a lot of times I'm listening to it with my screen off and you know having that that's a the individual features make it worth more to me but that could that might not be the same for everyone but a new customer price because YouTube Gregg I'm still gonna be paying the same price at $9.99 per month and Harry had that YouTube that gives me Google Play me as a crossover just a little bit for the same price as well so it's like yeah I'm doing the same thing as you guys are but now I'm still paying a lower price now they may decide later on to you well absolutely decide to raise the price at later point but it's just well why then why give it the name already to start I I don't feel like there is much there is lots of crossover but I feel like their names are just alright as they already are especially when you have the Google Play thing for going on for logo or like just a sweet suite of services and YouTube was kind of loyal I don't know maybe maybe make it play play youtube video for real well an interesting thing about with using YouTube so I've had multiple situations where I've wanted to share a playlist with someone whether they're at work or something but I don't know what streaming service they use they might not use the same one as me so I'll compile something on YouTube and send it to them because I know they'll be able to view it so there is value and branding of having it YouTube for music even though I don't primarily use it for music no it's just it's just a lack of cohesive strategy envision that is the I find really frustrating with it with what's going on yeah well yes in cohesion in congruence will remain for now until eventually though be cheating those names come June 5th so yeah it's covering whether you like it or not and that's also coming whether Samsung likes it or Apple likes that or nine of them don't make it is this ongoing trial that they've had for the past seven years in which they have debated about the validity of patents what constitutes well let's just all right so there are a few patents a bloke Hughes Samsung of reaching a few patents that they owned and some of them include colorful grade on a display a home screen and then there's also a general form of rectangular design for a phone with the screen and with a butt and there's a button single button visible a hardware one that's visible and like okay so this is kind of generic it's kind of it's weird but this is what we have to work with now this one all the way up to the Supreme Court and to you know determine what kinds of damages Samsung would have to pay for infringing on all these paths because they were found to have infringed on those patents but the Supreme Court is basically something get back to San Jose for the sides to discuss what constitutes as an article of manufacture and what does the patent apply to in this case does they applies him to halt the value of the whole phone or the part that the patent describes itself because you know this dependent was included in the product then maybe it should be that the whole product via home products value may be acquired for infraction so yeah the trial this trial this part this I would just like to point out the hilarity especially for someone who's watching our podcast is we're talking about devices going back to the Galaxy s2 and we couldn't even find good banner images to properly represent we've got like a galaxy s7 the only like one of the oldest phones I had a decently high resolution image that we can place from the companies are all this left Jules you did a great job it so that's what the freaking gaussians 3 looks like that's the gaseous major to go back into the archives and make sure that that that was labeled correctly and that's an iPhone 4 4 maybe 4s but that's an iPhone 4 generation thing going on there as I did this stupid dollar sign I think I think you didn't reach out on the Photoshop like this conversation is so tired but I digress I'm sorry Andrew I cut you off oh no you're fine I was just gonna say it's it we've crossed and from as consumers we've crossed into the realm of this being almost a spectator sport now you know spectator sport like 60 because I mean even the designs they're talking about now even like it's for even 2018 they're they're pretty much obsolete now because you know with the with the the button in the center it's it's it's just crazy now just to think that then it's taking this long that we've moved far beyond the designs now that they're even arguing about like they're talking about several years ago about banning the X&Y phones from being sold I mean you can get them for like ten you can get a Galaxy s2 for probably under fifty bucks on eBay now so it's just well all this is going like there's a billion dollars at risk for Samsung at this point because they were able to cut down their their liabilities or their damages too just by invalidating a few patents by you know so now they're like that four hundred million dollars but who knows maybe this will freakin you know draw things dad's like twenty eight dollars or twenty twenty-one dollars or like go well because the debate is how much was Samsung enriched by violating some of this some of this copy righted trademarked frame the polycarbonate frames of the phone or the whole iPhone with the Apple a10 processor or maybe it's just it like the Android maybe they infringed Android in some way like there's there has to be something going on here for Samsung to be guilty of and having to pay a billion dollars well but that's what's interesting is that same song isn't fighting whether or not they were guilty of fire no there's not these trademarks it's their argument and this is the legal I think it's a good-faith legal argument but what's hilarious is that it's now having to go back to a state court to unravel this discussion is Apple's argument is if they have because they violated these these copyrights because they violated these trademarks they no phone would have been sold from Samsung if they hadn't made it so much like the iPhone Samsung is saying you should be able to generate a dollar value per unit on what was infringed upon and that's what we should have to pay and so the squabbling is going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth again and again and again and again but now we've we've we've superseded the federal courts ability to answer this question and the federal court is literally throwing it back to California to figure out well I mean district federal court is the Supreme Court is a entirely different beast altogether because they they sent whole like the final president in these kinds of issues but this is still federal this is district court but this is up this is still federal court and case law will judge upon this case very strictly scrutinize and yeah we'll have to see what happens here but I guess that that the question what's an iPhone in in the style of a teenager running into her vacuum [Laughter] yeah what is the genesis a qualities things all right well if you're a Russian with a lot of money to spend I'll show you an iPhone let's do this what do you want iPhone iPhone solar powered iPhone with point triple nine gold gilding double layered with a black poly black carbon fiber wrapped around it and a freaking huge solar panel yeah that's right we're talking about an iPhone 10 that's been modded to basically run off of solar power with so expensive to actually mod i phone 10 to have all that because it's it's a pain in the butt to get that thing apart anyway well I mean you're talking about 999 dollars being converted into a four thousand eight hundred ninety seven dollar monstrosity and this is all in tribute to Nikola Tesla because of course electricity and Elon Musk because Tesla and also a green technology and there's a little Steve Jobs because why not we're freakin modding and I found four gods this is another one of those boardroom discussions like well there's there's two big people we associate with that so let's I really feel bad you don't often see you like the Edison edition that would be you would when you purchase that phone it also comes with a lawsuit so well I mean you would expect the same things if you click the link in the middle there you would expect this out of the company that puts emblazoned the likeness of President Russia President Vladimir Putin and President Donald Trump on in gold onto the back of a Nokia 3310 yeah like this is my question I mean like we've seen gaudy experiments of her two phones things like that does anyone else get a little bit nervous about solar power on a phone because you have to basically put your phone out in the Sun where it's gonna get hot and then you'll see was that like in Las Vegas where that phone exploded out of the just thing because we see numerous devices gadgets and electronics die in cars we are totally hot the battery expands does have anywhere to go and we see no you use the enemy of the battery heat form the good for the good that you can do would be it's not just it's not just heat it's also like two so it's a steam turbine in the phone you can't drive it now liquid cooling liquid drives heat I don't know I'm just shocked that you know like we should have regenerative braking on our phones by now it's just really disappointing that you can well phone by one thing I'm wondering so there's I haven't seen anything as far as the charging rate because I gotta think it's gonna be slow well if you're sitting it out assuming you have the phone on and you have it sitting out in the Sun how fast is the battery gonna drain versus how quickly is it going to charge it we don't know so we might knows I might just maintain the charge oh I don't even know that it'll be able to do that I believe a solar cell this small would probably just reduce the speed at which the phone naturally discharges well if you want to be if you want to help the world to become equal friendly then this is the way that you should use the technologies of the future for 100% and they will bring more comfort into your life I can just read the whole product briefed on this and this is my son Jack this is my 4 panel solar charger and this does a great job of in good light charging a phone you can charge a phone and a battery at the same time and get reasonably quick recharge rates this is this is the surface area that I need to walk around with if I'm actually going to charge a phone not just keep it oh my goodness so more from the product brief caviar presented a unique developments ahead of the time that is able to charge from light just a while ago it seemed impossible but already today it becomes necessary yes we all need solar panels and it seems impossibly like I don't know a man solar panels and solar charging is been around for a while yeah this is the this is the purest energy for getting which no expenses are needed the development in the sphere of creating solar battery smart homes equipped with such batteries and vehicles working on the electricity is actively carried out by Elon Musk today the main mastermind of the Tesla company in honor of his great innovative developments the new caviar form that the new caviar phone was named that's your tenuous link rate okay well I'm glad we went down that rabbit hole yes the case of shock-resistant do you want to have a bonus that's where the $5,000 goes yeah oh man it's like yeah they're stretching these these connections as far as to Tesla Elon Musk and all that just about there stretching it as bad as much as a Stretch Armstrong with stretch I encourage you to look at the video because it's just it has that like deep Russian voice that's like almost sexy but stalking about Nicolas has a Serbian trick in Serbian that you know has been in in the age of very volatile age I'll say hey because Jules we should not be making fun of Serbian yeah we should we should not make fun of Elon Musk I'm making really I think it's I think it's way too soon for Elon Musk I was disappointed that we didn't see like a faded an image of Putin shirtless Putin somewhere in that why you go to the previous thing you go to the Nokia 3310 and then you look at that and it's amazing from a peter hatin on that peon weekly hashtag is someone who wants who once tried to use a portable solar panel I challenge anyone who buys this to sit and let it charge in fall and I imagine that whoever is going to do that is going to be sitting for a very very long time even knowing that Apple puts ridiculously small batteries into their phones yeah sigh man well at least at least though aged out and like died out and you'll be able to get a battery replacement for $29 oh speaking in which that reminds me I do have to do the battery replacement for my se before all that goes away I have my mom do it and so so here's interesting thing so my mom went to went to so the closest official Apple Store is about four hours away from where my parents live and they went to kind of like an authorized retailer about an hour away and they they won they didn't have any stock on batteries at all and then they kind of had the whole you well you don't really need this let me just something in software for you and it was like needless to say I got a call from a concerned mother saying I don't think this sounds legit and so then she went up to our Kansas City four hours away and now done and and really like don't I I recommend people do not don't go through the authorized retailers go through the official channels if you can I know it's a little you might have to drive for hours but it's worth it for the quality of the working from it or get it shipped yeah well and and if you um we mentioned him before on the show too if you follow lewis Rossman on youtube he's a very angry third-party repair technician out of New York but stories he tells about Apple are very insightful as to how this company does business with their authorized repair service partners and to your point age you mean like the reason why that story goes down is something like a screen replacement often can't be done by one of those uh author Apple authorized technicians like they still have to send the phone back to Apple anyway so it is one of those things it's like Apple in terms of service and support there is a little bit of buyer beware there you they've sort of rigged the game to make sure that you are encouraged to only go to an Apple store to only send your phone back to Apple or your product in general MacBook Mac Mac Pro anything only get sent back to Apple two well and it's like part of me also really feels with the business practices that they have and how they treat their authorized retailers that a lot of this is Korea to buy Apple themselves to do that so that they can for funnel people towards you know and it's and it's getting the the quality of work yes it's really good but at the same time you also have the problems of well my product could conceivably be to keep the costs of parts parts higher than they might be what prevents from eating third-party parts but we've also seen some reports and again I would be very curious to see how widespread this is but when you get something like an Apple like an authorized Apple screen you know we talked about this on the podcast you know like if you get your screen repaired and it's with a lower quality display then then Apple put out a firmware that could your phone one of the things we've seen though is third-party repair shops that try to buy legit Apple screens those screens will often be held in customs and then destroyed so as to prevent other repair technicians from getting their hands on that kind of product taking the screen out of one phone and putting it into another phone also can trigger some of these defense mechanisms that Apple has put into their firmware so it you don't have the display serial number that your phone should have that can lock down your phone that can break your phone too so there I do believe there is some Apple shenanigans happening your Apple not necessarily acting in the best faith for customers getting the best possible quality service that they might be able to receive and forcing consumers to go through a very specific channel which restricts their ability to get the service that they might want well if that's the case then help these Russian people have all of their components sorted out and forged and imported that's that's another thing too it's like if you're really team iOS I don't know that I'd want to do business with anyone cracking nose device it's open I just let it go if you need a solid gold iPhone I don't know man I don't think it's worth it only person I trust to be what's-his-face from stranger strange parts you know if you guys even then like I think he would probably be pretty pretty clear about what what he would be able to achieve and not yeah they have a one-year warranty through them oh man yeah how could you go wrong yeah yeah one I mean if you're thinking about it there's what's to stop Apple from pushing through an update that kills their phones those Tesla there there's nothing stopping it so you're dropping close to $5,000 on something that might not work in six months depending on how Apple feels about it you know so yeah I mean virtue was a better buy at that point no know her too I'm gonna have and and and on that note Andrew I think you just killed our show I think I think we're over now because of what them just said no I want to thank you for joining us this week on a really news heavy week has some really exciting stuff for us to start digging into the 1 plus 6 LG g 7 some really fun gadgets but then also all of these topics I really thank you for joining the shop thank you for having me this was a this is an absolute blast I always have fun talking with you guys and this is it was a privilege to be able to come on the show especially on a day when we have so much news going on this week we're glad to have you along definitely yeah times all right so folks there you have it another episode of the PocketNow weekly come and gone the show is over but the conversation continues on Twitter where Andrew can be found as at fat produce Jules is at Point Jules and I'm humbly at some gadget guy pocket now is around the web everywhere on the social medias the youtubes and our home site pocketnow.com for Spanish speakers check out es pocketnow.com shows like this cannot exist without your support sharing the weekly with your friends who love mobile technology and dropping reviews where ever you can review a podcast help 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