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is Apple music deleting your downloaded music what does lenovo have up its sleeves for the next generation of Motorola devices and what are we looking forward to it this year's Google i/o plus we're giving away two phones to celebrate 200 episodes another week of mobile technology news has passed and we're going to talk about all of it so make sure you're charged and ready for episode 200 of the pocket now week this weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets that make our lives mobile smart phones tablets and wearables it's all this stuff you wished existed when you were a kid and had comic book characters printed on your underpants i'm juan carlos back now senior editor pocketnow.com blasting this signal from sunny Southern California and rounding out this techy trio we're joined by contributing editor for pocket now mr. Adam Dowd good afternoon sir thank you i still have cartoon characters printed on my underpants so know what you're talking about we're all over grown men children i love it and podcast producer Jules Wong is going to be keeping this show running smooth out on the east coast how you doing the old you need to graduate to Jimmy's jammies I I you know what I was thinking about this the other day I really do need a good pair of footed pajamas for when I go out and visit family in colder climates I think I'll go say for those blistering cold winters that you get over on the west coast there well it's it's like I come from Mountain climate and then move to California now my blood super thin so I definitely need to immerse them more cold gear 11 so folks the time on the on the west coast excuse me the time of the west coast is 11am so let's talk some tech first up you know mr. mr. Dowd you know joining up at cast is the first time we've gotten to produce this live together um I would imagine that you've got a lot of really cool gear in your home I have awesome gear in my home and it's mostly filled with kids stuff but I do have some good stuff myself but you know like you know so even your kids would would ascribe to this sort of collect Shin of toys that we like to talk about here on the pocket at weekly and it would be a shame if something were to happen to that collection of gear wouldn't it they would never stop crying and either one I never stopped so this week sponsor actually has a solution which might help you and us and our viewers out and that's frontpoint security a frontpoint is a modern home security system which uses only wireless equipment for easy installation and setup and it's backed by the highest rated service in the business this is one hundred percent cellular making it one of the hardest security systems to defeat and frontpoint's mobile app lets you check in on your home from anywhere in the world you have a data connection the app can be configured to send text or email alerts when your kids get home from school or when your spouse arms the alarm at the end of the evening even while you're away on business high-tech security combined with great customer service frontpoint has received more five star and a rated customer reviews on sites like Angie's List and Trustpilot than any of their competitors reliability at the right price folks so go to FrontPoint calm / pocket now to get your free quote on a frontpoint system today and you may be eligible for up to three hundred dollars in discounts once again that's FrontPoint com / pocket now definitely go check them out protect your gear protect your home protect your family members and you'll also be showing this weekly podcast a little love now I don't have any outside confirmation on this but I've heard that FrontPoint security is great against ninjas oh really yes it also gets the item doubt seal of approval for anti ninja absolutely as you know what I'm going to sleep at night I always worry about those ninjas well I mean cuz you can't see him you can't be here right it's crazy you know is one of those things you like I think home security systems have been focused on the pirate thread for so long they're just when I want to leave you now hold ama graphic leaving out the ninjas so I'm glad to hear that a company is starting to work towards better ninja security that's absolutely absolute xu against the purge oh no i think for that you need like a wall system with like sentry guns and I don't know that FrontPoint is really geared for that unfortunately yeah but it does feel like every day of this political cycle like we're just moving it's hey it might be their new vertical come on point protect yourself from the zombie apocalypse with FrontPoint security it is funny like how much I really enjoy those purge movies there there is something really compact about just overly ridiculous depictions of graphic violence hmm so uh before we get into any more hilarity and high jinks Mr Wong would you be so kind as to explain to people how they might be able to get in touch with us for the show well sure you don't have to beat our mailboxes out of the ground and you know set fire to them or whatever they do in the purge you can just contact us at a podcast at pocketnow.com you want to email us your questions that you haven't been able to get onto our live show and by the way you can do that by just going into the hangouts the hangouts on air tab of the YouTube page and you can just get in ask few questions and just send them our way we don't have any questions just yet but if you do happen to be be browsing around taking a look and like some of the questions that you read thumb them up and hey send them some love some of these questions some love and we already have a first comment in the QA from mr. Caldwell's a pal of mine he's saying lovin the hats I had to go with the pork pie this week and was kind enough to join me with a bowler and and that's a that's a really chic little bowler there I dig that I you know I really wish that I dressed better from the hair down so that I could wear this more often but unfortunately this head is nearing retirement for the season so I can only wear it when I have the trench coat on and then you know that I don't wear that until November and if I wear a trench coat around Southern California everyone instantly assumes that i'm up to nefarious deeds so important my short brim doesn't get as much love out yer as I'd like it to either but I do love it so we might have to adopt you into the hat trick club so I I would I would be very interested in joining said organization as I am a fan of hats I'm just a scream so Jules is just a pocket now logo we should we should have made a hat for the pocket out logo so Jules could have participated there you go this get on that Jules this broadcast yeah you're our Photoshop master you should have done that you should have known and you should have participated I'm very disappointed Jules I'm glad that I didn't put it actually on my resume I didn't have to put a resume into bucket now too good I was like we're not that we're not that discerning so um what we get to before we get to the news topics I have a little housekeeping to do this is actually kind of a surprise I didn't put this on the rundown guys sorry about that um we uh last week during the podcast we talked about a viewer poll that we had set up on YouTube where we wanted to get your opinions the audience's opinions on which smartphone had the best speakers and so we recorded samples from the HTC 10 the HTC One m9 and then we used the Galaxy s7 as something of a palate cleanser so that you could sort of better hear some of the differences between front-facing speakers a split high frequency and low frequency speaker and then a traditional bottom firing speaker and the results of that listener survey that listener poll are in and taking the top prize with sixty-eight percent of the viewer vote is the HTC 10 this the HTC 10 walked away with the victory so you know there were a number of people really upset or really concerned i should say about HTC's split speaker strategy for the newest version of boom sound but when listening to all of these samples it would seem that our audience was is enjoying this new experiment from HTC the HTC One m9 took twenty eight percent of the vote and then funnily enough I four percent of our viewers actually preferred the sound of the galaxy s7 so even Samsung managed to eke out a little love even though we kind of put them up there is you know not necessarily a an actual command or competitor but more like I said as a palate cleanser but people still seem to dig it so I want to thank all the people who participated in that survey I think we racked up something like 40,000 listens on those various speaker tests and people were really getting into the comments trying to determine which phone they liked the best was it was pretty fun territory I think we're going to try and do a few more of these types of samples maybe even try to do some blind like maybe for camera stuff blind comparisons between a couple different cameras and see what people actually like we used to do name that camera feature where we go out and take a bunch of a bunch of pictures with you know a smartphone camera and then you know post the the raw images online and we added out all the exif data so that you couldn't just like go in there and say oh yeah well to iPhone um so we used to do that so we can we can breathe some life into that concept I just like I just like anything that gets people like picking fights with each other in a civil way well sure who doesn't in the comments and so even some of the comments on on this this boom sound test were pretty funny so so yeah but that that we said we'd announce the results and the HTC 10 is the victor if you want the best fabulous food on a mobile device it's the HTC 10 or nothing maybe like a sound effect well i'm glad i got mine today yeah oh yeah are you rocking the 10 now Jules oh yeah and then got it today this morning and that's why I'm in all of a tizzy so oh I can hang it you're the tremendous excitement in your voice as for the tremendous excitement of having to go downtown and get on the green line and then find out hey it's uh it's all ski that market today as much as we want to definitely continue this podcast with Jules is a shopping list and daily chores routines we should probably move on to the news topics of the weeks of the top stories little pimples get in well if we must on pocketnow.com of jewels you want to queue us in so starting us off I want to talk about accessories and especially Adam because you you're the editor who's most responsible for some of our like our weekend shootouts for collaboration posts tran de there was a story that we posted on pocketnow.com about a new LG friend accessory which is going to be a new little action camera there they're developing to compete with GoPros and this is this one just struck me interesting because the whole point of this camera is that it can it can work like an accessory or it can work completely separate from a phone in every way thanks to its own dedicated LTE connection and I was wondering if your brain do you think that this is something we'll see as a trend moving forward where this notion of mobility accessories doesn't really necessarily mean they have to be tied to your phone right well it's right actually it's actually really cool because on the one hand a lot of the situations where you're going to be taking one of these cameras is not a situation that you necessarily want to have a seven hundred dollar phone in your pocket so like when you're rafting or when you're biking or motor cycling or whatever you adventure people do I don't know but you don't necessarily want to have you know something tethered so that you can broadcast but at the same time accessories like this just still raise that same question of the data use and where is that data going to come from are you going to get a separate package for the data re our carrier is going to have to start bundling in your phone's data to go along with it and even when you do that streaming video that's a lot of data and just about every you know mobile data plan has some type of cap or limit so what's going to happen when you start streaming all these videos and I mean now maybe if you have like a job where you know if you're like in x games or something like that and this would you know this is a justified expense but for the average consumer I'm not so sure so I just that's a question that hasn't yet satisfactorily been answered yet men right I think it's going to be in the carrier's realm to figure it out I can definitely say that this is definitely bringing the broadcast side out of me because we've seen television crews big and small a by up little backpack cameras backpack again but it's with 3g 4g LTE connectivity and they the progress has been a kinda slow on them and yeah that's it well in in marcus cast is is it is a really interesting area i mean because i don't think LG has any illusions that this this action camera that they're coming up with is really not going to be able to that grade well but but I I don't think they have any illusions like I think they're starting to some of these devices into more professional territories but they're not going to unseat go pro with the first generation device and I think they're there they're being a little conservative with how they're presenting this this is going to be more about you know you being able to do streaming for you know your family and friends and then you can kind of push it into some professional realms but broadcast is a really interesting solution where I because I I have a background in voiceover Jules has a background in journalism you know when you look at news agencies they're still utilizing some really you know older technologies to make those live broadcasts happen in a lot of in a lot of situations and it's uh you know in in mentioning what you were talking about Adam we still haven't really seen that technology push where we can count on these services we can count on the data we can count on internet connections to provide the same level of of streaming of fluidity of video and audio we still have a ways to go yo packet loss becomes a huge problem where when i'm recording voiceover and i want to work with a talent across the country i'm using is key yet i'm using phone lines talked about that in previous podcasts yeah it's it's kind of funny like we still haven't found the tech version of that just yet but I i wonder if we start seeing these types of products take off like for example is there a market for a pair of wireless headphones that have an LTE connection so that you can connect directly to Spotify or google music or Apple music you don't even have to worry about that being a part of your phone situation like you you want to go out you want to do a workout you've got a SmartWatch so that you can send emergency texts or you know make an emergency phone call and then you've got headphones that have their own data connection and we have our own little personal area network and you don't even need to leave the house with the phone anymore is that a possible future where these devices might diversify the landscape and is that something that consumers are even interested in you're just I don't know but you're scaring the crap out of our band manufacturers right now and I'm happy to do it I do want to circle back to your point about getting families into this because the way that I see it they're using smartphones however unwieldy it is they're not I don't see them to getting a proprietary device and then using it take it out of the drawer every you know so often to be able to just stream a little something to Grandpa I mean come on skype just do that yeah we want those things were if you're going to buy into it you're going to buy into the whole ecosystem you're going to have the camera that can stream itself you're going to have the headphones that connect to Spotify you're going to have all this stuff that you know can just go completely wireless and it's going to be one of those things where if you're not going to buy just one thing I get the sense that you know you're we're going to be attacking an entire market that just wants to have everything you know I won't even buy a hamburger if I can't get netflix on it that type of thing everything on different devices on 30 devices you know what that's like so interesting about this potential future because you know in talking about you know a family goes out and buys cameras or stuff like that you know I've got a couple friends who have gone and invested in things like GoPros and you see them like the first week they have that GoPro that GoPro is with them everywhere then the second week you know other life is not nearly as interesting as I thought yeah exactly by the time you get to about a month it's it's like maybe they pull it out when they go like to a water park or when they go to the ocean or something like that but it's it's very rarely rarely used after that point and so do we think that consumers are gonna be interested in splitting these services and products up again remember when smartphones came out how many conversations did we geeks have with less tech tech savvy individuals like oh yeah my phone can do this and it can check its email and it can play music and it can take and it can take pretty decent pictures and can do all these things and then you would get the reply was like oh yeah but you know I've got a flip phone and I've got a laptop and I've got a nice camera so why would I want to put all those things in one device if I lose that device then I lose my email and my camera and my music so I have an ipod and a flip phone and that's that works better for me they calculate all about you and now we're breaking back out back it's a circle of life Simba is this the pendulum swing Marty Cooper rep 20 so all things come full circle so I'll be really curious to see how these things take off in and in it kind of speaks to later on we're going to be talking Motorola and modular phones and accessories and things like that again so I it I think there's an uphill battle I think consumers are pretty well trained to look at their smartphone as a catch-all the idea of walking around multiple gadgets i think is something that we need to explore again but speaking of smartphones and multiple gadgets and cameras and all this cool stuff um we've been spending some time with the huawei p9 and most of that time has been spent on the dual camera sensors these leica inspired dual camera sensors on the back of the phone but we we wanted to actually see you know is this a pretty well-rounded device is it a decent flagship or is this just another smartphone built around one gimmick and so our full review of the huawei p9 is up on pocketnow.com you can check that out it's a it's a it's a reasonably concise video it's about seven minutes long and you can get your p9 fix so Adam what just just out of curiousity what smartphone are you rocking right now what's what's your sort of go to daily driver uh I actually is a s6 edge right now but I'm having a nexus 6p delivered today so no yay so hooray for a year old technology um but you're going to be joining the huawei cam i am and i'm also going to be joining the tight the type-c revolution so oh so which which is great because I've got a desk full of these and I have nothing for type C so you have to go out and do some shoppin the cable migration is is definitely a kick up the up the rear but it's funny like how nerdy cranky i get about not having a type-c connector on a phone well just get about all right ones I'm just uh yeah I personally I'm looking forward to being able to plug in my phone blindfolded so right I know it's it's so silly and really I mean it's not that big a deal I don't know that phones are really taking advantage of all of the type see specifications yet so I think you're really missing out on anything really super cool techie but there is just something nice about knowing that you're also investing in a future standard user so we've got plenty of support if you're a fan of this podcast you probably have a drawer of micro USB cables like we all do um but you know you you get that new USB type-c you get a couple nice cables maybe you know you're looking at chargers things like that I I jumped over with the Lumia 950 so I've got this continuum doc that's just sitting here doing nothing oh so sad spoiler alerts are my paying USB type-c weekend debate coming up Shh Oh crazy pants love it so you know in looking at some of the features on the p9 you know you were talking about USB type-c it's just kind of nice it's nice knowing like moving forward I'm gonna be covered right um but I'm stoked to hear that you're going Nexus 6p the 6p is the phone that I haven't spent a lot of time with but I think it was the introduction to Western audiences that Huawei exists and that they make some killer handsets right absolutely why we're alert for the full review I think the p 9 carries on that tradition really well it seemed like a cute baby by the way so how the picture in the I try I tried to not put her on camera as often as I can but every now and then proud papa has to show her off of course so but yeah what really intrigued me was that was the dual the the photo samples that you had in the video we're just pristine I mean there is beautiful so especially the the real extreme close-up of the whatever flower that is my wife could tell you what Florida's but I don't the lily yeah I mean you can actually see the pollen on it was beautiful it was beautiful that was like that was a 50-percent crop clue so it's it's a WoW we we did spend a lot of time we have the most in depth camera review of the p9 anywhere online it's a 12-minute so the full review for the phone six minutes long the camera review 12 minutes wait we might have obsessed a little bit just say we totally obsessed a lot of it and if you want to see every nuance of what this camera can do it was really frustrating because there was that whole backlash but there was that whole sort of gripe fest about these cameras not really being built by leica but just being sort of certified by like and it was a situation that I think really felt really took or needed a lot of nuanced discussion in that leica is a company they don't really make camera sensors like canon or shown you everything was Sony yeah yeah so I mean even the sensors on the the p9 they're from Sony I so it was sort of a difficult conversation to sort of help illustrate or help educate because leica is a company they're known for their lenses and then they do a lot of collaboration with companies like Panasonic so for their own camera bodies they use micro four thirds panasonic sensors and then tune the sensors and lenses to like a standards and that's kind of what they did with Huawei and so you know there was that initial burst of like wow this is gonna be really exciting it's a leica phone and then there was that backlash oh it's not really a like a phone like it didn't really make this thing and then you actually look at the photo output if you spend some time with this camera the results you can get from it are stunning so um are especially for the stills not so much for the video but for other other performance I was really surprised to see that the p9 handled gaining really well this is using a cure in 955 chipset which I've never heard of before and I've never encountered before and after make right there kieran that's their own wet the high silicon and I think the Huawei has is either a sub City a like the high school science of sitting on your own something yeah so I that that 955 we were doing a gaming tests on it and I mean for normal sort of navigating the user interface it's pretty much the same as any other flagship but we were firing up some pretty intense games and it was hanging in there really well against phones like the Galaxy s7 and the LG g5 with Qualcomm 8 20 s so uh I think maybe you've happiest of all outside of Google's purview you know that this isn't just a google designed or a reference design and then Huawei executed that reference design if this really does seem to be a pretty well-rounded flagship it should be interesting to see if this is another step towards getting a little more market share in the United States yeah attacking the titans of Samsung and Apple well in sort of acknowledging that for the rest of the world Huawei is it tighten number three not bad oh yeah it's hard to complain uh so you know madam especially with you going to the Nexus 6p do you think that this is the type of stuff that we want to see here in North America for a little more competition or do we think that this is still going to be you know a samsung and everyone else kind of a kind of year or two for android devices it's it's a good first step it's gonna take more than just this it's going to take a lot of what Samsung hands right now is brand recognition all right so I was just you see Samsung's all I mean I take the train to and from work every day and I see Samsung Samsung Samsung Apple Samsung say I mean it's just the they've got they've got so much brand recognition they're buying airports although I need to come up with a new reference because that's actually like two years old now we're Samsung plastered Heathrow Airport with like all these ads but anyway but it's just that the marketing machine behind Samsung is so incredible that you know competitors like LG or Huawei are going to need to they just need to provide a better experience for a long time before they're going to start making headway it's going to be it's a marathon it's not a sprint actually a great point to in that you know even even with companies that are pretty well established in the United States when we're looking at say an LG and HTC Motorola um we see this huge disparity between the amount of advertising that accompanied like Samsung will deliver and the amount of advertising that LG or HTC or any other company like you know ask a general consumer out on the street if they've even seen a huawei ad and I be very surprised if any of them exist for Western audiences maybe something on YouTube like something that you'd ever see on TV or hear on the radio or something like that and I think that's maybe the biggest hurdle facing a lot of these companies is they're making great products but no one knows that they even exist and i don't thing is is that you don't have carrier partners they don't have any prepaid partners really to sell their a big knee aim devices and if you don't have that if you directing people today by unlock to go to our site and be a little confused well I don't think that would be the best that's maybe the best friends looking ever go to our site and beacon yes we're bringing the confusion to you free of charge confusion totally free the smartphone it will cost you 700 bucks a confusion still free but yeah you get my point small brand needs be your carrier brand to latch on to and to market to be able to market that connection so yeah well I'll be really interesting to see if any of these companies really do start ticking that over I know um you know LG's been trying to step it up they got Jason Statham for their main ad campaign on the LG g5 HTC was rocking Gary Oldman in their spots we we don't talk about Gary Oldman I just you know I'm saying is is someone who was recognizable and was put into a commercial um but moving on moving right along and so you can't catch the full Huawei p9 review and the full Huawei p9 real camera review on pocket now calm and our youtube channel youtube.com slash pocket now definitely check them out because this is a unique experience for folks who are really into photography but moving right along to another a chinese manufacturer who owns a formerly american brand we're looking at some interesting news on two fronts from lenovo and motorola so lenovo of course showing off an 18.4 inch tablet and i have to wonder what do you do within 18 inch tablet you know there's no on your fridge yeah what I have TVs that are smaller than that but am I am I crazy or is the leader image on this new story a samsung yeah that's because as a samsung galaxy view they have their own thing back last fall and they I was just I was blatant like wait a minute no you're always out and not embarrassing at all that's right well I'm youth are benchmarks and there's no like we don't really cover 18 inch tablets on a regular basis I don't maybe we should sure well it's a really tough call though because what we're looking at here is an 18.4 inch android tablet powered by some variant of a Snapdragon processor with a quad HD screen I again I have to ask if you've got android on an 18.4 inch diagonal what exactly are we trying to do with that I mean that's that's entry-level imac territory I'm still saying not gonna put yeah and it's it's also i mean it's android so there's not even although maybe there will be and we'll talk we'll get to that in a second but there's not even like any type of split-screen capability or anything like that it's just you're gonna have one gigantic 18.4 inch diagonal app so imagine imagine if you will for a second the Twitter app running on that particular tablet I was just gonna say Instagram which doesn't even support landscape deeply oh yes well and already makes a great point about the galaxy view which debuted in the fall that was only a 1080p screen and really were only talking about media consumption on this thing you put in your kitchen or you put it as something next to I don't know something that replaces your TV if you have a Roku or I don't know how TV works anymore because I cut the cake cool though roku's and your cable cutting yeah you know net netflix i mean that's that's pretty much it doesn't have a remote though does it okay I wouldn't imagine a would but so maybe you don't and that's how it goes but you know again I I'm just III don't know what to make of devices like that and I do couple other larger Android tablets like there's a lenovo multimode tablet that I'm now forgetting the name of and I think it was like a 13 inch screen and even that felt unnecessary or it was a tough fit for me to find problems for you know like I look at tablets or all gadgets really every gadget is an answer to a problem for tablets you kind of have to find the problem that the tablet is an answer for and I was really struggling with that 13 inch tablet to really come up with who does this tablet work for who's who would benefit from the singer who has problems this thing would solve so expanding the screen size just seems to me to complicate what deficiencies we see in mobile gear without necessarily bringing any of the problem solving that more dedicated computers might bring to the table but it's bigger they're taking it to 11 man come on no they're taking it to 18.4 I think that's that's enough on the lenovo tablet i'm sure we'll get more information on that hopefully maybe we'll even get one to review even though that sort of betrays what we stand for here at Pocket all we should talk about this for the whole hours that don't in our pocket um but moving on to a company that Lenovo own who's got some exciting stuff coming up is a motorola and motorola is looking at dropping some bombs with a pair of new phones coming up Jules would you mind walking us through some of the developments for what what Motorola is set to deliver oh sure so yeah Evan blast just blasted us with a whole bunch of details to a bunch of uh renders that got leaked out from hello moto HK and if my computer can be nice to me and actually let me show you these render so we're talking about these things that originally the hello moto HK renders also included a droid turbo known we just Detroit um phone that was similarly built as these two that you see on your screen and apparently the ones on your screen have different names have different specs and are different so we're talking about the vertex and the vector thin vector thin being the upper end of this whole spiel and you can think of it as like last year's motive X play or the Moto X style Muto XP or edition so in terms of the vertex or the this year's play we have a full HD screen and the Snapdragon 625 it's overclocked to 2.4 gigahertz as its top clock speed and that's interesting I guess because it then has a quad HD screen and an underclocked Snapdragon 820 so I yeah I don't know what kind of games a lenovo motorola lenovo rolleyes i'm looking at you know looking at the specs if we're if we're looking at the vector thin which has the underclocked higher-end processor it also has the smaller battery and I've never understood why companies like to piecemeal out specs like this you know I think it was one of the major advantages that Samsung had with the note was that it was big enough they could just put everything that was good into the note you know wasn't like the galaxy has a 12 megapixel camera the galaxy s has a 12 megapixel camera and the note has an 8-megapixel camera but the note has a faster processor the galaxy has a bigger battery you know like I don't understand games like that and i think motorola was less afraid of that before lenova came in and decided this is more fashionable he should be using metal and also you should have very thin phones because premiun phones are great in big and this is America hello good well and and I will say you know they're there is a if we're talking about thinness there is an almost 2 millimeter difference in thickness between these two motorola devices and the the bigger the vertex is a seven millimeter thin device that's already crazy thin the vector thin is going to be a five point two millimeter thick device and at that point I really have to question because I've been playing around with this Huawei p9 the p9 is a seven millimeter thick phone with a 3000 milliamp hour battery that that's a fine compromise for me it's one of the thinnest phones you can get and it still has a standard size battery right do we really benefit Adam from having a five millimeter thin phone if it comes at the reduction in battery size it depends on who you ask if you ask pretty much anybody who works at or reads pocket now the answer is no more thickness more battery is perfect but I mean I can't imagine that we're representative of the general populace because they keep making these stupid thin phones with stupid tiny batteries and it's just it's so it's irritating because they have to have data that backs this up they wouldn't do it if they didn't have data that backs it up there on those numbers for that I'm sure so and their sales numbers and survey numbers and focus groups and people just I don't know what they're thinking I think that these survey numbers and focus groups are based on having an hour with the phone not actually having to use it for an entire day because the second you have to take out your phone and plug it into a tether you know just well and I'm sure when we were in those types of situations if a focus group member participant gets a phone for an hour and then they ask a question like on what's the battery life they're gonna get those really marketing speak answers all day battery life that as long as you never touch it as long as you're on Wi-Fi for the entire day I could use my phone all day that's pretty great so yeah I'll go with the thinner phone the thinner phones better right but then in real world situations I mean how many people in our circles of friends and family are constantly complaining about all my phones dead by dinnertime or oh I just ran the latest update now my phone battery dies faster no not really fully understanding all the implications for what this this number means when we talk about battery capacity this this three thousand maws what's up with the mom well and the end the manufacturers answer to that is quick charge you know you plug it in for 15 minutes in you get ahead and you get you know for extra hours of life which is fine as long as you're in a place where you can plug in your phone for 15 minutes with a quick charger and you know it's just it's not a good answer is never good answer good answer and other manufacturers are saying hey add on some bulk to your phone with our Juice Pack and you can throw away all the stuff that you got I really surprised to see Apple deliver their own battery case cuz that their their marketing has always been about the efficiency of the iphone and how that's the best compromise between size and and runtime right but I don't want us to get stuck on this because there's a lot more to this story oh no that's not just a transition oh yeah that was gonna be my segue well and actually it's interesting because one this is a modular phone or it's supposed to be a modular phone and one of the modules that you can get with this is a battery pack so maybe that's what they're thinking I don't know let's talk about that more so if we go back to those renders you see a little 16-pin kind of thing that's not talking about Apple smart connector type of thing going on but it's a little tramp stamp of a storage that can and then warm here's the crap out of me just so you know we're here first folks the motorola tramp stamp but so what we've got is a series of pogo pins and actually we have a comment here from kyle he's really excited about those pogo pins this is a great way to do modules you can slap on cases boom different functionality it depends on the data throughput that's actually a good point we don't know how how quickly you can transfer information through pogo pins but this this seems to be maybe a better way to do a modular device than LG solution yeah they're called amps and we should be seeing more of this stuff uh it's part of project tango and Lenovo is about head on over to I think they're going to throw a vent jun 9th that will show off this tango project tango fruits word suspecting that the Moto X for this year is also the project handle phone and with that I don't know stereo speakers camera grip pico projector we've heard of a lot of the stuff before in terms of mmm mommy weeks I need you see these accessories in different incarnations I think what's interesting is the fact that this will become a a quick slap magnetic solution to deliver additional features for your phone and and so wait like Adam one of the big questions that we had with the LG g5 was what does a modular device bring to the table that we couldn't do with USB connectivity now this seems to be a more streamlined implementation of a modular phone but I still have to ask the same question is does motorola really have a solution here that we can't achieve through USB type-c right well i mean first i should point out that i've changed my stance on modular phones a little bit when the LG g5 first came out I call it a fail because you had to restart the phone in order to add the modules to it so when you pulled out the you know when you when you go to put in a deck you have to pull out the battery which necessarily turns off the phone you have to put it back in you have to reboot the phone now I've softened my stance on that because a modular phone is not designed to necessarily change out parts all the time I think it's designed to be a be a way to customize your own phone and it's going to be the type of thing that someone's going to be like oh I really like the camera on the LG g5 or the Moto vector or whatever but I really wish I had a camera grip you know i really wish i could hold it like a camera and so that's what those friends are for you know you're going to go get that camera grip you're going to pop it on there you're not going to mind the extra bulk because didn't give you extra battery and you it's going to give you that camera grip that you want and then that is your phone and what this enables LG to do is to go mass produce a whole bunch of templates basically and let people build their own phone after that so which is cool but at the same time you know something like a battery pack stereo speakers I get that you're gonna slap that on you're gonna leave it on there that's going to be your phone that's going to be your customized fault but something like a pico projector I'm not seeing that so that's just a little a little bit on the weird side not to mention if this is some type of magnetic connection or a case connection Allah the Lumia 1020 camera grip I don't see that as being as attractive as the true modular design which LG is bringing to the table so I guess that'll be something to see and also a lot of people argue that when you have a modular design like LG's where you're actually taking out the the pack and you're sliding it back in your restarting the phone you're restarting the phone so that i can use software designed to work with that booting for the drivers basic yeah basically uh and so I don't know if Motorola is going to work off that same type of philosophy or if it's just going to have to have all this stuff built into the OS going in so that whatever you decide to slap on there it's going to start to work and what that will do to the bulk of the OS as well you know that's true I hadn't really thought about that is that it is it going to have to start a bunch of processes every single time you run the phone even for things that you might not necessarily need to use that's actually a good point right so I mean it'll be something worth finding out especially since you know a lot of OEMs have been cutting back on the bulk of their of their OS ever since the was at the Samsung gs5 used up half the avail available storage space it was it was pretty ridiculous that it was one of the something like just under nine gigabytes of storage on a 16 gig phone right and so you know a lot of only have been cutting back on that and so it'll be interesting to see if Motorola's gone moto is its moto now right or is it motor it's not motorola it's moto it looks will easily interesting to see if they go that direction or not well and and I guess really one of the the last major questions I would have about the idea of a modular phone is it is this the type of solution that will actually encourage third-party manufacturers to develop their own add-ons their own amps or their own friend their own modular pieces or are we all just sort of waiting until apple or Samsung does something akin to this before people start jumping on the bandwagon well this is either that's going to have to happen or LG / moto are going to have to prove the concept first so they're gonna have to put their money where their mouth is first make sure and show sales numbers of people buying these modular parts and then third-party manufacturers gonna be like oh well maybe there's some money to be made here so it's definitely LG and Motorola and anybody else who's going to build a modular phone has to lead that charge once they do that then other folks will come on board and in the meantime project ara remains silent well and that's actually another comment that we got in the QA from Christopher miles who asks do you think project ara will ever come out in any capacity will there be a demand by then or has the hype run out I don't know about you but I was looking forward to buying the phone out of a food truck Puerto Rico in Puerto Rico I mean I'll go to Puerto Rico for any reason I think pocketnow should fly me to Puerto Rico just so i can buy a phone out of a book butcher I love it no seriously I mean like we've talked about this in previous episodes of the podcast where we have difficulties even getting consumers to update apps or use micro SD cards you know as opposed to what just came built into their phones do we think that there's a there's a market or there's a way that we can educate consumers to check out what the benefits of a modular phone might be um and does project ara scratch that itch or does it actually intimidate consumers more by being way more modular than the solutions that we see from LG or from from Motorola there's a there's a book in a corresponding TED talk called the the paradox of choice yeah that's exactly what I'm getting at um please continue and where and basically what the what the what the argument behind it is is the more choice you give consumers the worse they feel about the choices that they end up actually making because there's always going to be something else that they could have done whereas if you if you give consumers rumours something in a package this is kind of the theory that Steve Jobs ascribed subscribe to was i'm going to give you this phone that you want and and and so people are going to go out and they're going to get the iphone and they're going to be happy with that because that was the only choice that they could make was I was going to buy an iphone you didn't have to worry about am I gonna get an iphone SE or an iphone 6 or an iphone 6 i'm sorry sickness or 6s you want to get and the more walker you want to get right and so it's one of those things where the more choices you give people the more that they're going to agonize over the choices that they eventually make because there was always something else that they could have done so um it says now now when we add different screen resolutions different camera modules different batteries different layouts different any other accessories that you could maybe punch into the back of a phone doesn't that just really complicate or and then a whiff if you do if say you have project ara and then you have a bunch of companies that are manufacturing like third-party processors for it you know so does a consumer have to pick between a Qualcomm 820 in 823 is 650 650 to is 625 maybe they get a Karen maybe they get an x and o's maybe they get i'm forgetting every other type yulia ho you are early making me cry for me I look at that and I go ah I don't know I don't you don't find might be okay yeah yeah the money go with an 808 I don't know I don't know I want to get the 810 but I don't need to set fire to my phone it's like well if I lived in a colder climate I would totally rock the a-10 is the perfect hand warmer oh yeah but I I said a long time ago i'm really the second moto 360 so i can use them as hand warmers in the winter yeah i'm still waiting for the Qualcomm Snapdragon 799 there you go save that penny but yeah it's just it's one of those i mean i think for consumers like us who are going to be educated about damn near every part of the phone I think we're going to be able to make intelligent choices as to what accessories we should put on door phone that accessories but what components we should put on to our phones because we're going to be we're going to know enough to say well I really want this great camera but I can compromise on this you know particular screen or screen resolution and I know I want you know this processor which is gonna be just good enough but you know if I were to have my wife choose that it would be awful the result would be awful even for even for us techies out there you know I I recently was shopping a new laptop and I wanted a touchscreen I wanted a dedicated GPU and I want a decent battery life and the process I went through to finally select what i selected was agonizing I didn't enjoy it I really didn't have fun shopping something that was going to be a major part of my workflow something that I wanted to be able to occasionally play some games on edit video I mean these are really big parts of my work and play day and the process of shopping a laptop was not fun so i can already assume you know like i think one of the things that may be modular phones are missing out on is the commentary for consumers that if something goes wrong you can replace a piece as opposed to you can design the perfect custom phone for you i think if we start the conversation talking to consumers about picking pieces they're not going to go with us on this journey but everyone knows at least a person or has had this happen to themselves where they've shattered a smartphone screen so now what if you could just replace that screen now and it could even be an upgrade like maybe you started out with like a 720p screen because you know that's just where you started and no now you can go to a quad HD screen when you break this one and you have to worry about you know sending it to some sketchy Repair place you're trying to schedule an appointment with a genius or something like you just do it yourself um that's what a fair phones been doing in terms of sorry that was a fail for fair phones as startup from a Finland I believe yeah and they had their own a little modular phone where you just take apart the pieces in order new one if you needed it too so there you go safe environments that's their message love it love it love it so I we definitely want to hear from you on this one folks we've gotten some fun comments the QA but who really has the better take on modular devices drops comment below because of cures to see what your thoughts are excuse me moving over to another way that this conversation was about to delve into how capitalism is the economy of regrets of purchases if you want to get deeply philosophical different buzzer differ by gas but you can leave the comment you probably just won't get a reply no moving right along to to another situation facing our capitalist society Apple music Apple music might be deleting um music from your downloaded collection and there's a blogger who's been very publicly sort of detailing his trials and tribulations in trying to figure out what went wrong between his Apple music account and his itunes account in howell his music seems to of a seems to have evaporated and it's been happening to multiple users too so it's just more commentary in the apple support forums yeah and so I've good good some one person good person I more as a serenity called well she's great actually um she went in and dug into it and found out that may have to do with a bug in itunes and unfortunately on desktops that is a that contains apple music within it as well as everything else I attunes and local music control as well and I say here in this piece that well that's a big problem if we're going to see small bugs tilt the dominoes in a big way it was well and I'm sure a number of us you know into gadgets and technologies and services and stuff like that yeah itunes is sort of a love-hate relationship for a lot of people out there even general consumers people who aren't necessarily super into text that's its hate hate but anyway well I mean like there's there's the sort of the love aspect of I think it's an easy way to manage a mobile device for people who don't want to have to just like drag and drop and organize fold on their own so there is I still think there is some love benefit to itunes but over the years it's become such a a major large bloated software experience that now it seems like it's out of apple's control like there there are unintended consequences to linking up Apple music and iTunes if you're not fully prepared for what those two services how those two services relate to each other that can actually do a little damage to someone's stored content it's been my experience that itunes has pretty much been the universally hated piece of software like the the worst project that Apple has ever made at least that's been my experience and the you know the experience of my circle but so I'm not sure I agree with the with the first part of your premise but that being said effectively I respectfully I appreciate it right right um so but that being said um this is a real the hell of a bug that's enough isn't this is just this isn't a whoopsie this is uh this is a pretty catastrophic especially for you know this one block blogger who you know he wrote a lot of his own music and you know necessarily save that on his computer and you know itunes kind of came through just blew all that on the water I mean that's product that you created which is probably going to be slightly irretrievable um there are more the remedies didn't help i mean you back it up into iCloud or out of music finds a way to those are all versions at ya and drm that's that's fun you match up a song from i'm not i can't even pull up a an example but you have this version of a song and it replaces it with another version and it's crappier like you know Ryan and Adam you bring up a great point because this is something that I've really struggled with as we've moved into a more mobile technology landscape for how brilliant OS X is OS 10 on max is for content creation we haven't seen we've seen Apple try and push hardware into iPad pros we're getting rumors about an iphone pro at some point but iOS really doesn't seem to be the friendliest environment for content creation though they're trying to try and open it up a little bit more and now they're online services also seem to be not the friendliest solutions for people who make their own stuff so I mean imagine if you were doing your own pot a cast or if you were a voiceover professional you had a ton of recordings if you were writing your own music or shooting your own video and those files got in the way of a conflict between Apple music and iTunes what does that speak to this is the future of apple products being professional platforms I think it's just where I think we're still trying to figure that out I think there's just man it's just the the whole digital content revolution the the content creation revela that the time was you know back back when I when I was doing this you know and back in nineteen ninety no no one was alive yeah I know what you know the time was that you needed to have you know all this you know super professional gear in order to even you know scratch you know be able to scratch at the door of you know one of these media moguls the record companies the TV you know the movie studios and whatnot you know you had to have this you know alt uber professional rig in a special dedicated room in your house but now people are making their own content on iPhones and on macbooks and on you know even surface tablets you know they're they're developing all their own stuff with this professional-grade software which is now so much more accessible to everybody it's led to things like you know YouTube and you know YouTube artists and you know the the amazing race on cloud is entirely youtubers I mean it's incredible yeah and it's just like but anyway oh what what I'm going is I think that like a lot of things technological especially recently the creators have gone a lot faster than the managers then you know the the the people there that are making the content or way outpacing you know the the company's a traditionally performs yeah yeah who have traditionally in the gateways and I think they're becoming obsolete and I think they hate it um you know what they hate me screaming they hate stream well I mean weird al is not making any more albums yes Weird Al Yankovic is not making albums because he's realized YouTube is where the money is going to be well and actually that that's a great segue into the sort of the secondary point to this it was funny because these two stories landed within hours of each other on pocketnow.com so Apple music is deleting your clothes no one's downloading music anymore anyway we saw right there plenty of people i mean we're talking about 3.6 billion dollars worth of revenues and demo from the itunes store back in 2012 however that's expected to go down to 600 million and what 2019 that's three years from now yes yeah that's really nice it's been a sinking ship and people of at Apple according to digital music news have been well fretting about this how should we handle this how should we handle the record labels how should we deal with international markets that don't have the infrastructure for proper streaming and all that there's a whole bunch of uh weights to this scale and it's been like in reading some of the interviews and some of the comments delivered from from people around the industry just how many people have said things like well Steve Jobs were still around he would have already cut iTunes and just be using Apple music from here on he would have just taken an ax to it so and you know what that might have worked under jobs and jobs it definitely is not a Tim Cook move though I find it really curious you know we still haven't very well sorted the issues facing like paying artists and we have a system set up like Spotify and streaming services and I that hasn't always been but but well there have always been issues with record labels but you know the the monetary structure for artists was a lot different before streaming solutions came into play even the transition to downloads wasn't quite as devastating to an artist's bottom line as a as downloads were but you know kind of going back to your point Adam you know when this economy changes when these tools are being utilized when consumers say I want to use Spotify I don't want to download individual files anymore how best should these manufacturers try and keep pace because they've fallen behind apple's solution is now starting to generate revenue and it's starting to resonate with consumers and content doesn't move the way it used to yeah it was it's just one of those they're not gonna like the answer to it which is to say I mean all right let's just take dvds for now i can buy on amazon i can buy a DVD package which comes with a blu-ray a DVD and a digital download of the same movie for roughly the same price as i can buy just the streamed movie so there's there's a problem there and i think what if what it boils down to is I think the monetization of content has to come from the content itself not necessarily the media on which you're delivering it so um so companies like Spotify and and Apple music are going to have to buy the rights to stream this particular content from this artist or whatever and how they're going to make money from that how the artists are going to make money from that I don't know so I don't work at a at a record studio that's not really my problem but what I when I'm looking for in this comes from pretty much any type of broadcast content whether it's music whether it's TV whether it's sports is if I own the rights to watch captain america civil war i want to be able to watch that whether i'm on my phone on my computer on my TV on my friends TV i want i want to basically buy the rights to watch the movie regardless of where i am or what i'm doing and that goes for broadcast TV that goes for debt flicks that goes for you know sporting events don't even get me started blackouts when it comes to sports because man i will take along a joggers territory and it's supremely frustrating that there are only a select cable packages that we can watch it's not even like we can watch Dodgers games right anymore so anyway the point is is that what what what distributors need to figure out is how we're going to build a model around which somebody washing their hands so how people are going to build a model around which artists are going to get compensated for their content and how they're going to be able to distribute that content on whatever platform that people have happened to be and I think there's right now there's just so many options for buying content whether you're on a radio whether you're on a phone whether you're on right applet i just i think that the enormity of the task is just so daunting that they there that a lot of distributors are so going back into their dark halls and saying no no this is my territory there's definitely a situation of these of these these outlets you know anyone in charge of distribution sort of burying their head in the sand and we still haven't learned the lessons from other industries so like music has been in a state of flux since Napster came out feature films have been trying to figure out how to not replicate those mistakes by replicating those mistakes and then the book industry so even circling back to your point about the content it's the content it's not the delivery mechanism we still have people that feel like well a book is actually printed paper so that should cost more than an e-book right really the costs associated with both of those devices are not really any different I mean what goes into producing a book the costs that go into producing the book are about the same for an e-book as they are for mashed wood pulp right oh you know it doesn't it shouldn't matter if you get a blu-ray a DVD and Digital Download that's really just like you can watch the movie anywhere you want to watch it you're paying for the movie you don't care where it is you can view it so if you if it's the same price as the digital download as long as you can watch the digital download on any screen you want right hey for the movie it should it should kind of still be the same right and then we get into dirtier areas proprietary streaming where you know yeah you can watch this digital movie but you have to watch it on our platform um you know where you don't have fully that's that's kind of going away it's now just you know play platform or the iTunes movie platform yeah and that's not so much but I mean there's just and the problem is that everybody wants their platform to be the ubiquitous one so you know there's an X Katie XKCD comic where they're talking about more Terence there are 14 different standards we need to build a standard and then like a day later there are now 15 different standards that comic at least once a week I love it I mean like in terms of progress you know what Disney comes out and comes out and says you know if you buy a movie through the Disney portal you also can download it through itunes you can download it through google play I mean working progress we're seeing oh yeah that's not like definitely forward motion is just not as fast as the content creators are moving forward so um in speaking of movies and content consumption and different devices coming up we're getting some news from google what they might have up their sleeves for virtual reality when it looks like we're gonna have we're gonna be stepping away from google cardboard or in that stepping away I mean Google cardboards always going to exist right but we're we're gonna be looking at a standalone google android vr player and it looks like we might actually get some hardware associated with that yeah yeah and it's it's interesting because it's kind of like one of those what kept you typing okay because you know Samsung has been kind of leading the charge in this type of VR yeah I don't want to say that because that's not what I mean I think they were one of the the first like major nice consumer experiences was gear VR yeah I think they were the ones that were trying to make it accessible earliest i mean aside from google google cardboard which is an interesting but not all that great experience to be ours but i like it if it's really cool because it's just it's another it's another notch in the belt of the VR were world once google gets on board you know really the only major hold out at that point is going to be Apple you know because I mean you know Google is obviously one big kind of hold out from that they have google cardboard which is okay but if they can start you know really making a solid push into VR I think that's going to be another legitimizing and we've seen some some some little hints and some rumors that Apple might be cooking up something vr-2 I guess I'm just curious you know Google Google's in one of those interesting situations where they don't want to piss off partners right so you have an extra phone but they still try and make sure that manufacturers that work with Android devices are really the ones that are showcasing the the highest-end found well all their partners are moving onto different Road creating their own platforms and Google's just dragging on with its own platform and it shouldn't have to worry about its partners because they're already on their own trains well but that's that's kind of the point that work because is Google bringing hardware to the table we're seeing sort of a renewed interest in VR in general HTC definitely blown up some some news feeds but survived the oculus and then we also have some some outliers like Microsoft working with augmented reality on on hollow lens while we also know that Google is is pushing forward on project tango which should actually help benefit things like augmented reality too um do we think that we're going to see some confluence or some some joining of different hardware platforms do we think this is still going to be walled gardens of different hardware subsets or do we think that Google is going to have a solution that blows us all away and maybe we won't be talking about the HTC vive and six months I think one of the worst things that could happen to VR would be to have this type of compartmentalized you can go the vibrato or the oculus route or the other or the samsung route or the if we have you know again if we have 14 and 15 different standards of anything please see all over again yeah it's gay well I think it's gonna be worse though because you're gonna have all these different experiences I mean a PC you know back in the day at the end of the day it was relatively similar experience but I mean you know with things like the vibe where you have to UM you know set up in a dedicated entire room and by the way I'd like to send kudos to Jaime for coming up with the tripod a method of setting up those boxes that was genius because at CES we saw you know they were literally bolted to the walls and I'm just like oh hell no uh but but you know tripod well Don Jaime I wouldn't I wouldn't have thought of that when little embarrassed by that but anyway you know you've got that method and you've got you know the hololens methodology where it's just augmented reality rather than just rather than you know true virtual reality I just I I don't want to see this thing fragment out into so many different things that nobody cares about any of them well and again I think we we run into some of those same issues a a problem of choices and when do consumers actually spend their money on because we're having to weigh these against also future consoles you know PlayStation is going to be introducing a sort of updated Playstations and xbox and microsoft xbox is so that we can have 4k gaming and better virtual reality capabilities for consoles and all these things start to weigh heavily on the decision-making parts of consumers brains in a way that I don't think is going to be necessarily beneficial to the market but um aside from VR we're also going to be covering google i/o 2016 soon and I was curious I but that's that's part of it that's a the VR is part of it and so again yeah I mean to be honest I'm actually a lot more excited about google i/o in general than I am about Google vdr well I was going to throw it to you so that we could hear what specifically you most excited about well I just a google i/o actually over the last few years has introduced some really cool things into the into Android um you know whether you know Google now on tap was one and you know this year we're hopefully going to get split screen support you know so it's just it's one of those things that I'm actually looking more forward to what is going to come to Android rather than necessarily what's going to come to VR because at this point I'm not completely sold on VR I I get why people like it but I'm actually just a lot more interested in my day-to-day phone experience rather than you know something that i might do on the weekends if I can manage to get the kids out of the house so I'm actually looking a lot a lot more forward to to Android updates than I am to to VR and they've got these google play awards which are coming up which well i guess i'm curious to see how those are delivered we're talking about the best apps in in a certain category and developer awards and things like that it's hard to rank that content on the best of days and who's gonna do who's gonna do the red carpet show that's really all I one asking developers what they're wearing who are you wearing um um nike sketches of you does it's a trick um but no i mean so like definitely when we're looking at android stuff i think a lot of us are looking forward to native split screaming of apps especially if you've got android tablets lying around hopefully they get updated to Android n it's definitely been one area especially after using the iPad pro it's nice it's nice being able to put two things on one screen at the same time not to mention if you have that big of a screen like oh I don't know 18.4 inches and you should be able to really utilize to utilize that now is interesting and that not to circle all the way back to VR again though um but a lot of gaming news that we might be seeing in terms of developers ap is the the Vulcan API is that are supported on future build of android and then also a game streaming was it is looks like it's going to be a popular topic and youtube is going to be presenting at Google i/o for some of their streaming solutions to so this is all kind of coming back around consumers seem to want to be able to share information share experiences we've got you know LT enabled cameras will have Android with better support for youtube streaming and then on top of that we've got better support for gaming or trying to get developers on for better gaming solutions on Android devices do we think that this might all kind of come around like does this mean the death of consoles when a family can invest in an Android tablet use that with a VR solution put that up to a TV for gaming and stream and share with wireless accessories well two syllables yeah and that didn't really work out for them and it was a Kickstarter kind of you know that this is I oh we're talking about what do you think Adam I I think android tables are gonna have to get a lot more powerful before we can do that but I just I'm sorry I'm still a little bit bitter about my Nexus 9 which has run like absolute crap since Android M but that's true I am I gave up on little mini tablets after the 2012 Nexus 7 well yeah you know I that was a that was a solid tablet and there's there's one of those lost in my house somewhere which is a really stupid problem to have but anyway I i I'm not much of a gamer so it's kind of hard for me to comment on this intelligently and but I've never let that stop me before so I you know I just you know it goes back you know circling even further back to the whole content versus delivery method uh you know of the streaming talk are people still going to be buying games on discs or are we just going to be downloading them from the cloud or are we going to be streaming them from the cloud are we going to want necessarily going to want to buy game a you know and just play that or are we going to want to have a choice of you know a thousand different games that we can play for thirty bucks a month I I don't know I definitely think that that's if from what I understand that's that's a way that the industry is trending towards the you know the streaming model because you know people want you know the netflix of games basically they don't want to necessarily they don't want to buy season one of CSI they want to be able to stream all the seasons of CSI so it makes sense of that that's a direction that they would be going so it makes sense that Android wouldn't want to get on board that train preferably early um so let's see what they have to say yeah i will definitely be covering google i/o 2016 on pocket now calm so be on the lookout for our coverage there I think I i think the gaming conversation is going to be a very important one to watch we stopped a lot of questions on things like you know so say you've got a killer Steam library what happens if you die can you pass that on to somebody does that memory or what happens if you know heaven for bids were to close its doors one day you know what happens to all of that content that you had linked up with your steam account we have some questions that need answering when it comes to how we handle content on our mobile devices as well maybe Apple will just delete it all for you so you don't even ever worry about it it's featured yeah it'll be great just I have a standalone version of spelunky I'm fine I love it so um we have I just want to blitz through some of the q and A's because we have to talk about a phone contest which is I'm sure what people are still hanging around Shah for talking about modular phones eric l in the QA brings up an interesting point the more you can customize the worse the resale value I think of a custom Moto X people leave their phone cases on for a higher resale value do you think that that might affect uh you know phone sales or is the idea of a modular phone being that you probably wouldn't ever sell it because you can just wipe out parts I think the you have a good point um except for if you're going to be selling your phone you're going to be selling the base unit you're not going to be selling necessarily the modular pieces to it or at least that's where most of the interest is going to be I think so if you get a moto shoot those are the Moto vertex with uh with you know three of God I can talk really I can I promise you oh if you get if you get a moat over a vertex with the you know the stereo speakers you're probably going to be selling the vertex more than the speakers and let me know how the speakers will be interested you would hope that those speakers work with the future device we have a couple comments in here in questions relating to motorola just Christopher miles will motorola ever be able to regain the goodwill it had under google map poke Matt poke a fan do you think motorola will start competing near the top OEMs there was another one in here about someone asking about something similar for motorola um what because we've talked it we talked about that a little earlier isn't Motorola's issue now sort of just advertising that they still exist in sell products droids are still crazy popular on verizon um we didn't personally presence at brand as far as i know well and it just isn't it really just a situation where we need to see consumers exposed to more motorola products across the landscape not just the carrier partner deals yeah absolutely and you know i wanted a droid turbo to the indestructible phone that they came out with i wanted one of those but it's on verizon it was that the turbo too i think it wasn't sure about to anyway I wanted one of those but it was you know motorola still has a tendency to get locked into character carrier exclusivity from time to time which is unfortunate because i'm an eighteen t customer so i would like to have that phone but at last I couldn't because I dropped my phone all the time and I have two small children that drop my phone all the time so I would love to have an indestructible phone but uh I don't know it's just what yeah is this allowed just like our conversations about motorola ten do this is one of the moto x force what's that dude go get a moto x force get that gsm capabilities yes I me we didn't even know that existed Jules that's all we need to spend more on it was so lastly we've got a comment from Panzers II do you think that once all of these disparate VR and AR technologies are combined will get the final form of google glasses like Frieza this is their final form of go go textual and augmented reality do we do we think that people are going to come back to face computers or face heads-up displays at some point I was really sad that google glass fizzled the way that it did it did fizzle i should say pretty fantastically and actually there's a couple of different there's a couple of different I saw a couple of accessories at CES that were google glass-like but we're a little bit more focused one of them was focused towards cycling where you could wear Google glass while you're cycling and the other one was you know something that would be built into normal glasses I think we're we're definitely going to get heads-up displays but we need a way to make them less pardon my french douchey than Google glass so because Google glass was basically than the next you know wearing the bluetooth headset all the time you know because I still actually see people doing that I can't believe it um but Google glass was kind of like the next iteration of that so if we can get past that and we can do something smart like build it into normal eyeglasses I think there will definitely be a I think there's definitely gonna be a market for them that's not going to work you need smart contact lenses well I think that would be further step but I would totally rock a regular pair of glasses maybe just like thicker frames around the back or something like that yeah just to have my glasses display like I would want to move everything that I do on my smart watch too I level oh yeah that would that would do me just fine right now I'm not even having like fancy like Terminator vision or anything like that it's just like having you know like notification alerts well now you done it now I want Terminator vision well I mean eventually i do want terminator well sure i'm not saying i don't want terminator region i'm just saying this the next step oh happy with just basic SmartWatch vision right SmartWatch vision I like it so many yeah trademarked one bagnall 2017 now you opt pay me money's money is grabby hands for the moneys for smartwatch uh for smartwatch vision which no one will ever use that phrase so uh speaking of smart watches we don't have anything to do with more life as I have no segue for that worthy effort we here at pocket now we want to thank all of the people that have been and subscribed to our various channels to our blog to our YouTube our YouTube channel have been supporting this podcast clicking on add links and and supporting our sponsors and so uh episode 200 is a pretty big deal that's 200 episodes of this podcast I am eternally grateful to have been brought on to this team at such an exciting time and we we definitely wanted to celebrate this milestone we've got two really big milestones coming up actually we've got this episode which is 200 which is a nice round number and then episode 208 will represent four years of broadcasting of broadcasting this podcast so two really important milestones this week we are celebrating episode 200 with a giveaway and we are going to be giving away oh and this is an international giveaway um we have two phones to give away first up is the next bit Robin courtesy of the folks at next bit um they are hooking us up with a Robin to give away to lucky winner and the the other phone is going to be a viewer pic from clove co uk you will be able to choose between a galaxy s7 an HTC 10 or an LG g5 and so we're going to be giving away these two devices we've got this contest running over the next week we will announce winners on episode 20 one of the pocket now weekly podcast next week and if you want to enter into this contest head on over to the blog post for this episode on pocketnow.com it's the pocket net weekly podcast on pocketnow.com and there's a little widget at the bottom of that of that of that blog post and there are a number of ways that you can get entered to win a smartphone of your choice again international contest because we have international viewership we've got worldwide readers and listeners and subscribers and we want to thank all of you for participating with this show so head on over to pocketnow.com hit that widget participate in the contest and hopefully win yourself a really stinking cool smartphone so out of curiosity of those three which one would you pick that's tough um I mean Jules got the HTC 10 so that's probably a safe bet that that's what he would tengo in his way I probably uh you know I i I'm really torn because there's something just so stinking cool about the idea of the Robin okay especially after having watched Michaels review on it like I really want to play with that and see how it works but being the camera and audio snob that I am I would probably side with the HTC 10 all right nice i'm actually can kind of leaning for the first time in years i'm actually leaning towards the HTC 10 myself so it's just something really interesting and also i think there's just something really exciting about this being sort of a back-to-basics year for HTC you know like bailing on all of the things that we know they can do well having a competitive processors to the phone runs fluidly without being a space heater and finally delivering on a respectable camera which is something that they've been hurting for the last couple years just something really fun about bringing all those those points together for a device that also is a little unique you know it's not like the same the same thing that everyone else is going to be rocking so on that note I think we should wrap this show up what do you guys think I think so too realized i was playing the theme over my life channel oh well you're just that you were just ahead of the curve q us on out Jules let's wrap this all right whatever like jewels and it gets all surly so folks another episode of the fucking out weekly that's really loud and a teen and that's why we call it the high quality version so this show is over but the conversation continues on twitter you can find ducato and technology move along is at Point jewels and I'm humbly at some gadget yeah five now is around the web on Twitter Instagram Facebook Google+ YouTube in our home site pocketnow.com we're basically everywhere shows like this can't exist without your support during the weekly with your friends who love mobile technology and by dropping some reviews on iTunes stitcher google play and wherever podcast reviews can be left and if you're watching this on the youtubes hit that thumbs up button for a little extra positive reinforcement you can write to 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