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will LG turn the v30 into a two screen slider phone blackberry sees extremely high demand for the key one modal gets ready to drop new modular phones and accessories on the market and mr. Chris Davies from SlashGear drops by to chat all the essentials on the essential phone these stories and more so make sure you're charged and ready for episode two five five of the pocket now weekly record a June first at noon pacific time this weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets that make our lives mobile smartphones tablets and wearables it's all the stuff you wished existed when you were a kid in the coolest v around was a 12 engine i'm juan carlos bag now senior editor pocketnow.com blasting the signal from sunny Southern California joined this week as always by plucky podcast producer Jules Wong how's it going out there on the east coast would you appreciate a 34 cylinder engine if you could have one I wonder you know because each one would have such a like a like a tiny volume and the compression on that would be insane I just want to know what that would sound like you sound like some like just little Hornet a little bit you know like something totally gnarly was the v12 has such a nice like snarl to it I mean you know you do reply that to 1.3 liters and you still get so good all those curvy 34 key cylinders like that's all you get to them well you need the power sport phone and by the way I should apologize for my voice this week as I'm trying to get out of this fever that I'm recovering from and apparently no apology necessary well I'm sure what I have listed is without a nominally absurd conversation of the three Oh with your dreams like well your sweats nightmares it's going to be insulting I mean like having Hellraiser Hellraiser flash biodiesel the salty phlegm that Heather I have to freaking the extra it's like Dead Sea salty anyway yes yeah you're a little salty about post-nasal drip going on mmm nothing bad this way like typical allergies that have not been affecting me as much so the post nasal okay is it out of a bad hay fever II situation - we mean it was it was pretty nice but one thing one thing about you on the sea but other comes in so eventually your your toddler will bring back 15 more disease yeah you two stay here right now so I'm sure she's gonna bring back some new plague for me to contend with this afternoon so while we're all getting sick over and over again you might be getting sick of us talking you might want to send in some questions so you can do so at podcast at pocketnow.com we would love to hear from you about your opinions on mobile tech and the uncertainties that you have regarding your personal situation or anything else that might just be in the news also you can spread the joy the show and everything that is around us hashtag P and weekly wherever hashtags are appreciated trillium they're not appreciated where you're at then you know you should probably move somewhere else really it's like yeah I mean who wants to live somewhere where hashtags aren't saying that people can click on because that would be terrible no no you can the kid he would tap on them that's just a night that 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it's $50 more than last time around okay that's not bad and there are also a bunch of refreshed Moto Z excuse me moto bond for them to be high enough that you can buy a plank now like the JBL sound groups turbo power pack and spousal before I was charging to so look forward to that also keypad now if that were a switch pad somehow I would be fans that but unfortunately most Motorola Nintendo are not coming together like that any time soon anyways let's talk about Nubia please leave VTES sub-brand is the chakra not pretty cool loud and good deal with the Nubian z17 it comes with up to 8 gigabytes of RAM which is something that we still haven't been able to say for any phone real way dr. King 8:35 it's all top shelf and it's also water resistance to just the boot everything and you gotta have a Cristiano Ronaldo's plug if you want to promote a film you have to because it is such a such a beautiful man and a plant yeah yeah dual camera and it 23 and 12 megapixel sensors and the very big up to 2 times optical zoom and 10 times quote-unquote dynamics and potato so that this should be of interesting for $100 phone if it were $400 but we're talking about China so you know what that sounds just done right for that market anyways shipping starts June 6 so that's a pretty quick turnover really let's talk about the BlackBerry key one at this point TCL really been promoting this lovely lovely deal it's talked about lodges wireless up in Canada garnering the most pre-orders for BlackBerry device ever and also just it has spread on board for the late summer but between now and then it has seen extremely high turnover and issues with stock outs so and that was just in the first day I was a veil ability and it was available best buy block other places it can all the carriers in Canada and a couple of others in the US as well so definitely something that's you need to get your mind over your head wrapped into because blackberry is apparently back all right let's talk about something that is a little confusing to me get me LG's wising confusing to all of us that yeah so um there's gonna be a g6 plus and a g6 bro coming soon part of me as I blow my nose I can't blow my nose because that was unsuccessful and I was talking while I was doing that anyways the LGG sixth row is going to be as late there's the plus and there's the pro you would think that the pro would be the better SPECT one that would be real now it's 32 gigabytes of storage and basically the rest of the spreadsheet is the same and 30 days that's half to 64 on the standard g6 LD g 6 plus that has 128 gigabytes of a storage plus wireless charging and those two are going to be sold in Korea for the time being within the bus and possibly globally coming soon at least before the V 30 might be coming out so definitely some confusion some interesting stuff going on there and it left me speechless as to what was really what we're really dealing with LGD 30 staggered off I mean that's uh well it's a fantasy if it's privet as I keep calling it um you want to slide out keyboard how about slide out screen so it just in sets a second screen that you can you know pull out to have it become a bigger second string is apparently being envisioned for the view theory now and blast told us that this this vision might not be still in the development right now but you know just the thoughts of that those hearts working together it's questionable I mean you could have 50 some great uses keyboard for one thing and other instant responses Google whatnot but these renders and leaks are are kind of questionable at this point specially because of the patents that we had tracks which sorta like indicated some sort of essential phone type of thing going on with this selfie cam has lodged in between like the edge of this profited of the screen so and this was before this was at least a year that the patent was filed a year before the essential phone came out so definitely some and to continue to look for the T in terms of the v3 which is especially to come out late August and finally Galaxy s8 your experience with it in the US has not been complete for the past while and that is because Pixley voice support is still not here and it won't be here apparently for at least another few weeks according to The Wall Street Journal learned that the voices distant which apparently I believe was a coded first in Korean is still having trouble trying to figure out English in terms of grammar and syntax so this this is this III mean that that's what not going why the follies of its when the follies of going your own way as a Korean tech company it and oh yeah we have this huge audience to serve in many many countries with this flagship product that we want to work properly and supports and you know when you fall flat on your face there is room I think they haven't I think I think the you know if we mu a mind jumping into some discussion here I think they're falling flat on their face I think they're trying to prevent falling on their face which is why they're being so conservative in releasing this well I bet we mentioned our okay if they only make one mistake then people are going to give up on big speed before they've ever had a chance to see what it can really do and you know I think it's it's it there are two things here's that is there room to fall and you know and make mistakes still or has the elevator gone up from the ground floor because if you know if Bixby doesn't have a speaker in the next year like sayonara for them or what sorry the Korean for goodbye um yeah you're asking the wrong guy there I have no idea but but but not mean that that points well-taken to if there is the fear of being sold on a service a piece of software that was supposed to be included in the price of our phone and if it takes a year before it's released then that would be very upsetting I don't think it will I think market pressure on Samsung will force them to move unfortunately I think it'll force them to move before their developers and their engineers are really completely satisfied translating the experience from a Korean audience to a North American one but that's also the the nice edge or the tightrope I should say that the balance game that you need to play in if this thing doesn't do what Samsung said it could do the first time someone fires it up and they get information or a result or a search or you know they scan a photo and it doesn't really do anything cool for them that consumer is exceedingly less likely to go back and revisit Bixby in the future so I get why I get why they're soul playing it but this is also the big frustration is it really feels like all of these companies are kind of duplicating the same level of experience that we've had for a long time now between Google Voice Search and Siri and Cortana and I'm still waiting to see what company can really help push us into the next phase of a true digital assistant experience and get developers on board because I think a major part a problem of this is there are so many things that I do on my phone that have very little to do with the actual phone like have very little to do with Google and so if I can't interact with Twitter or Facebook or Yelp or any other number of services that I'm you know driving service you know ride-sharing services you know book travel I I posted I'm trying to set up some international travel and I would love for a voice assistant to help me organize flights by the time that I'm trying to that by the time that I'm going to be landing in the various destinations that I'm going to but anything that I search for is just going to be well what time do you want to depart you're like I don't care what time I depart but I know when I need to be on the ground can you help me or that flight that way instead of me guessing what departure time I want and then sort of backwards organizing flights by arrival time that's a terrible way for me to do this search you know and that's the perfect I mean for me would be a perfect benefit to a digital Butler coming in and saying oh well here we've organized this info and this matches up with your calendar because we know where you need to be when you're on the ground and when you need to be there so here's a flight that would get you in with plenty of time you know that would be awesome I would like I don't know how it feels for you but just the way we receive time you know it feels like we've been talking about actions on Google and you know those third-party links for Alexa and all that for a while now and we had you know it's been slow to get to the services that we want and we desire and in the way that we would like them to be in fact you know you think it's going to take years and years before yeah we get that kind of standardization so-called but you know it's didn't in terms of that time scale we're still dealing with I think was nine percent in terms of an open market research survey about digital assistant awareness and usage half of the people surveyed and said that they had no interest or the award aware of it yeah and who knows what the other 41% said thank you Wall Street Journal for that but you know it's either I don't know where the room is but perceived pressures are going to come down the line here Apple might announce a couple of it will announce a chip AI chip coming up at WWC DC it is believed can you speak like this and there is also arm also announced AI Indiana chips too so you find more of these as you know speakers and all these players coming on it with just all their sports at once Samsung well as I also think that there is a notion because I'm happy to hear that Apple is taking the sort of hardware and the hardware extra abstraction layer of this seriously because what I would hope for us to eventually get to is an interface which can also be more discrete you know if you're talking to your phone to command your phone to do things I would love to have like so you know like when you see in like I'm like SWAT you know and they've got that like that throughout communicator so they can whisper and the microphones are right on there their Adam's apple and that's how they're gonna like you know storm this house with a no-knock warrant um one of the problems that I think a lot of people have is they have to sort of express out to a gadget a search query or a command a reminder calendar entry and that takes longer and often is is you know the phone gets it wrong more often than if you just went to your calendar app and punched in a calendar entry using text and so I think one of the things that would help is can we make this more discreet can we make it more private so that then also when something doesn't work you know I've seen people in public like hey Siri hey Siri Siri and you're like Siri apparently isn't listening after the third try you know maybe you should just go to doing this manually but the second a consumer has that one experience where Google now or Siri or Cortana or Amazon Alexa doesn't quite get it right they're probably never going to ask that speaker that assistant that query ever again so then when Google or Amazon or Apple update these services and add new commands your consumer is far less likely to go looking for what new things that voice assistant can do the garbha means to get some successive base hits at the you know right from the starts in order to have any room for a stripe Oh totally well in the not so it's not overselling it to I mean I think that was part of the death the early death of smartwatches was making it look like you were going to have this amazing computer computing experience on your wrist and it was really a notification delivery platform with some other little extra bells and whistles and I think it completely misrepresented when we're talking about digital assistants and you know Google now in Siri and it's going to be like the computer on Star Trek and it's going to understand you and it's going to do all these things and then when you really try it you're like this is kind of the same thing we've been playing with for a long time now on other platforms and other services it's it's hard not to be somewhat let down by that when we can also see some of the really cool work being done by other companies that just don't seem to have any interest in moving those products to a consumer facing industry yeah yeah I'm tired of using my human intelligence to talk about artificial intelligence let's uh right yeah yeah look you are talking about the LG a little bit oh we got to talk about the v3 all right oh that that's mandatory no because I am very concerned if if this turns out to be a V Series phone so--even blast is saying that this is called Project Joan and just to sort of you know kind of revisit what you brought up in the news piece is that this is going to be a screen which slides up to reveal another screen underneath and that can be your keyboard or it can be a customized interface for other apps and services and I really like the idea of LG experimenting again not with a mainline phone I don't think they should ever screw with the G Series or with the V Series ever again I think those need to be platforms stable targeting specific demographics for content creation for you know a flagship phone design in the G series but I miss the LG that would put out phones like the Flex so if this were a standalone experimental limited run design phone I would say awesome go for it I want to see what you can do but if you call this a V series then I expect um best-in-class durability I'm hoping they'll add water resistance it needs to be an amazing content creation platform that you know the best high-end multimedia consumption experience and I think things like making the phone over engineering the phone to add a slider mechanism is going to make it more fragile it's going to complicate the software something I don't want to have to deal with or mess with when I'm when I'm trying to like fire up the camera or use the audio recorder or just listen to music I don't want other things getting in my way and so that's where I'm super concerned I really hope that this was just an experimental mock-up something that they were kind of playing with or that it's in the some kind of line of v-series phones maybe that's okay too but I absolutely want to have a standalone regular slate v30 which just refines what we liked about last year's monster beast of a phone and we can show progress there because this will be the third year of v-series phones this would be the year that I think consumers would start taking the V more seriously as its own unique platform of phones it got a little bit more visibility following the note 7 we've had people like me preaching about how great the the camera and the audio and the microphones are on this phone this next model year would be a really good year to nail that down deliver for consumers don't mess with expectations but deliver something that's going to be a monster performer for what they focused on in the past and I don't see that in a slider well the variant they really need to pad out with a g6 or g6 Pro Plus like look like they're going that does just that was room for that's confusing well Donnie there is there's room and because I don't think that there's they say creators of autonomous or MLG says that it's working are diversifying its portfolio just serve more if it's a very to consumer categories but I mean because it tries that little of v30 concept out then instead I mean if you were banking on stable releases you already had them but you decided hey let's let's a put lipstick on well it wasn't really a pig but you know it's the t6 is in a pig the t6 is a fine but you know this way but you like you're putting lips Taiana on you know degraded you know thing I don't know what well the things the things that LG I think is is going to face the ire of LG fans and this I actually I can kind of appreciate why people might be upset by a move like this is the launch of the g6 was still a bit clumsy for the different variants that went to different regions and so you know if you were in Europe you didn't get the high quality DAC or the wireless charging in North America you got wireless charging and a very capable back but not the high-end DAC and then in South Korea you got the quad DAC very similar performer to what we saw on the V 20 but you didn't get wireless charging and I can appreciate their market research they focused on the features that they thought would be most applicable to the region's they were shipping but it always leaves someone feeling like they got an incomplete product and now in other words the literally but refresh on the G well yeah ultimate modular phone but you can't change the configuration okay this is you kid that is LG can and that PI has been baked for you some can't unbaked that pies no this is um but this is going I think to add to that sentiment when you get a refresh you know so now if you kind of bit let's say let's say you're in Europe and you went ahead and you bit the bullet and you needed a new phone you got the g6 and you you eventually made peace with the fact that it didn't have wireless charging or the quad DAC and then these new variants come out several months after this to me sets up an expectation that you should never jump on an LG product and that you'll always play the wait-and-see game with them or you'll eventually just move to another manufacturer so like should I buy the V 30 or should I wait and see if there's a V 30 + or V 30 Pro or you know V 30 slider you know it's going to it's going to create a barrier a mental block some ill will where the consumer feels like they're not really getting everything that they could have or they're not really getting the best bang for their buck and that the company reinforces that when they then spruce the product up a couple months after its launch that's dangerous psychological territory for any manufacturer to be in and I don't think many companies whether that well to my memory over the last year I think oneplus handled it as best they could going from the 1+3 to the 3t and it didn't really seem to leave too much of a bad taste in anyone's mouth that this was getting a refresh but then again we were also talking about a phone that's still sold for at least $200 less than what LG is charging for the g6 so expectations should be about 50% higher I mean yeah quite like a mid-range er solution is going to honor there's also that but I mean the spec Chicot you know just from first glance the spec changes seem to be in memory and in which in one case yeah it's a dig it's a downgrade 32 gigabytes and then there was always well wine with the freaking wireless charging which was the Polaris and that is the cloud on g6 that's got to go up in price well no but the g6 was I mean there were some people who were disappointed that that the only option that I think most regions had was just the 32 gig model we knew more phones were going to be coming out with 64 gigabytes of built-in storage so this to me feels a lot like some of the strategy that we've seen from Chinese manufacturers where the base model has four gigabytes of RAM and 32 gigabytes of storage and then when you increase that's where you jump both RAM and storage and so that that looks like what LG could be trying to do here where I still think it's going to be somewhat region specific I'll be very surprised if they jump on a g6 refresh here in the United States because of the way that carrier carrier packaging deals have to be sorted out like 18t is not going to want to buy a new stock of G sixes and when they probably still have G sixes in inventory so if we get an unlocked model of that great but we've all seen how major players even struggle with unlocked sails here in the United States yeah kind of a token effort but you know at least it's not like the minion max efforts or the all the freaking oh yeah no no this is definitely still better than than those sort of ugly days of like probably a couple of years called a galaxy s4 but it's the Galaxy s4 mini in it look good person a terrible expires we just cut a thousand quarters no I mean no you're absolutely right there and and ultimately this this really does play into the emotional side of of our gadget ownership where you know as soon as we buy something we're kinda on the lookout to see did we get the right thing did we buy the right thing and within a couple weeks of whatever purchase you make someone's going to come out with a better product and we're going to think oh no I should have waited um from what I see here having the extra storage would have been nice in fear in a region which didn't get wireless charging but then you get this Plus that would also be nice but I'm happy to see that they're not really screwing with the core functionality of the phone it doesn't seem like the quad DAC is going to be making any appearances in markets where it wasn't sold originally it doesn't seem like there's they're doing a processor refresh because I think that would have been very frustrating to be on board early with the g6 on an 821 a couple months later then they ship it with the 835 um that I think could have been a bigger deal you know a bigger psychological hurdle for people to feel upset about and then the rest of the phone seems to be very much in keeping with what LG originally delivered so thankfully I don't think they're wrecking what they did with the g6 to try and appeal to new customers but I can still totally appreciate why some people might be frustrated if they were on board early with the g6 and then maybe a few other nice little perks delivering that horn Carlos always fighting for the small person little that little guy well yeah I'm only five eight so it's that's it comfortably in the backseat of most Japanese car you're already kind of a thing going there I guess the mine Napoleonic complex of playing we got to fight for all of us to know us a little bit alright um how do you feel how do you how do you how do you um how do you do how I do what I do know I you know it's it's the this was an interesting week for news especially in light of a something which I'm hoping will be progressive and disruptive and an exciting transition in the state of mobile technology we've been dancing around the topic you know talking about assistance and software and smartphones and cool design and I think the new cycle this week was absolutely occupied by Andy Rubens new venture essential with the essential phone and the essential home speaker system that he's looking to create and so I feel we should probably bring on a guest commentator to help us unpack what what this might mean for the future of the mobile industry but before we do that you can search for these stories in full detail at pocketnow.com hit the podcast section and look for this shows rundown you can also check out Jaime Rivera on the PocketNow daily on our youtube channel ladies and gentlemen boys and girls I am very happy to introduce mr. Chris Davies from SlashGear going to help us expand on the conversation surrounding the essential phone Chris thank you so much for dropping by the PocketNow weekly no thank you for having me I always like talking so that's really useful well and that's why we wanted to have you on is because we like people who like to talk and that's a nice little bit of synergy for this as it's supposed to be something of a conversation everything has come together so beautifully we should almost end it here now so as to just avoid it going downhill terribly well before who this completely jumps the tracks let's jump right in because I don't want to keep you too long and there's a lot to unpack here is we're talking about the father of the Android operating system a person with impeccable credentials in the mobile industry and he's finally taken the wraps off of the essential phone and just to jump in because I think people on our channel have heard me you know sort of blather on enough about essential phone I was hoping to get what your sort of initial impressions were when we finally got all the details directly from Andy Rubin all of the rumors were sort of put to rest how did you feel about the way this product was launched and what it is that mr. Rubin is trying to offer in the premium smartphone category I mean it's clearly fascinating I mean any people who love Android phones and high-end flagship phones are obviously going crazy about this phone and I'm no different it's it's very very interesting on a kind of a geeky level my concern as I think a lot of people have concern to it is whether that will it ever translate to sales or translate to enough sales to make it worth their while and make this a legitimate product in comparison to something like your Samsung's and your LG's and whatever I think it's really fun I think it's fascinating I don't know if it's going to tip the scales in any meaningful direction but maybe that's me being cynical and British well no I I think a lot of us are sort of slow playing what our notion of I think so smartphones are mission critical devices now all right we we depend on these things we rely on these things that's why you know tablets are a little bit of a different market than what we do with our smart phones and so I think for general consumers I don't think it's wrong to expect some bit of caution right you don't want to take a risk with that one gadget that's sort of you know the most important part of your daily communication lifestyle so I I really appreciated the fact that you know there was all this talk about him creating a new operating system but that the phone really isn't going to be using the new operating system he's creating ambient for other accessories and home devices and things like that whereas essential phone is going to be an a stock Android device so we don't to go down that rabbit hole of will it get updates will get support will developers come forward will it have abs can I use Google etc etc etc but I did want to just hit real quick because you mentioned something about sales and I thought there was a really insightful interview you know Andy Rubin sat down with Walt Mossberg and they had a recode chat and that was brought up he he was pretty straightforward I felt about the notion that they would need to build from a certain point that this wasn't just like oh well if this doesn't outsell an LG g6 in its first year then it's going to be deemed a failure but he seems pretty reasonable about his expectations for how you could break into this market yeah and I think it clearly helps when you're Andy Rubin and people trust you and venture capitalists are willing to funnel large numbers into your bank accounts on the invitation that what you're going to be making is something that really takes the pressure off it so clearly yes I mean any venture capitalists that would like to send funnel huge amounts of money into my pocket would would definitely take some pressures off I think that I don't think there's any doubt that this phone is going to work I think that it probably will feel incredible I think it's probably going to perform very well the spec sheet certainly holds up to that I think it's an Android device in isolation it's going to be great I guess if I'm skeptical at all it's whether how that then translates to something very right I saw some discussion of them saying well you know we don't want it to sell enormous quantities because if we went mass-market and mainstream we wouldn't be able to literally build enough of the phones to kind of meet that round there's this kind of idea that it's going to be a somewhat exclusive device which is great and also a really good excuse for not selling very many of them and there are going to be some people who will spend a premium for a premium phone you know look at the ver no you know they for how many years were they selling a Symbian device and and selling just enough of them I guess to to keep them in fine career alien marbled and leather and whatever in sapphire lots of SAP and sapphire beautiful beautiful sapphire yes then think like my eyes on the Sun I just I do I do wonder whether you know what's the long-term play here I and I'm assuming he has one Lauren from the verge was saying the other day that you know he was talking about this being you know the the beyond mobile world and then he announced a mobile device so there's clearly some long game here which I think the smart home agent thing will play into as well which is if anything slightly more interesting than the phone itself but I'm just I'm very curious to see what that long game is now you know because again you you were saying that this is you know it's a it's a premium Android device but it's an Android device and it's not like anything on this phone is really sort of rocking the market in terms of the other experiments we've seen from various other manufacturers but the the design of this phone does seem to be just a little bit polarizing I think specifically that front facing webcam the selfie camera sort of interrupting part of the screen what what did you think about just like the overall look the aesthetic and whether or not you think that's going to have an impact on sort of consumer appeal because I think a part of this is like this could very well fit in the same experiment that oneplus started way back in the day there was like a lottery system to even have the potential to maybe consider the eventualities of pre-ordering the phone and it seems like Andy slow playing that and trying to get as much feedback as you can before he actually pushes the button on everyone can buy it now so I think it's very handsome as phones go I I think my flight's obsessive-compulsive disorder would find that cutout for the camera just incredibly frustrating after a while I think just that even if it doesn't block anything I think just the knowledge of it being there and staring at me I do wonder whether that is the I think it shows off the wonderful benefit of you know being able to cut a display around the camera but how whether that's something that people wanted I I don't know I think you know they've put a lot of effort into making the material choices nice to make you know this idea of it being a device which will last and I think the modularity plays into that as well though that obviously is an unproven area for them to I think yeah like I say I mean I think the rope they're not going to struggle to find people buying it I think they're not clearly not going to and don't want to sell as many as Samsung or sell Galaxy s8 or LG will sell g6 but it's that where does it go from there you know what is that what's the long-term plan after that well in another white gloss with that do we need another one plus well you know I feel like every market benefits from competition like for example we just recently kind of revisited the axon 7 right another one of those $400 phones from 2016 which really helped illustrate what we could do at you know sort of smaller price points and that to me is like a good segue into talking about you were mentioning the the modularity of this phone one of the things I felt was most interesting during that recode interview was their discussion on this protocol that it's a wireless usb and that the pins are basically there to guide magnetize and power the device but it's not doing any of the data transmission and that this is Andy's first step in trying to illustrate how we could maybe start I'm putting a lot of preface in on this and how we could move to like a truly Wireless smartphone design and that I thought was really interesting because you know we just recently talked about the Moto Z play you know the new Z play that's coming out Motorola is doubling down on moto mods but that's still a very you know sort of pin pin connector interface which transfers all of the information back and forth if he open sources a wireless USB that works on contact does that increase the longevity of a device are we really worried about the hardware side keeping pace because I feel like one of the biggest problems with Android is the software side yeah I don't think that there is I think there have been an awful lot of interesting hardware experiments in Android and we do seem to just keep coming back to a big slab with a big touchscreen on one side and a decent camera on the back and Motorola obviously has you know is pushing the motor mods thing which I'm really pleased that they're doing and sticking with you know we've seen other people try it give up on it very quickly whether or not they launch or not right high frenzy of lip service to this being the future of the designs I'm looking at you LG g5 and Valley anyone who buys all of these wonderful accessories and stocks up on the movie with the expectation that they begin be able to use them moving forward generation to generation doesn't get to and you know it's kind of it's a great idea but people have very short term plans I think I think you know if there's a possibility it's this idea that he has raised enough money to to look at that long term and to make a plan that will last more than just one generation of sales and not have shareholders to say well hang on no we need you to to make something which makes us a lot of money every quarter and yeah I think the idea of an open-source wireless USB standard is really interesting I just wonder how does he still have the cachet in the industry I guess and does this device that have the kind of be out of the gate cachet for big companies like Motorola or LG or whoever to say option yeah this is something that we could get on board with - and for all the peripheral device makers to do that and jump in even though it's an unproven market and again I sound very cynical and I do love the idea I love the idea of modular phones but from a really geeky perspective from a consumer perspective I'm kind of not so convinced and I think there are other issues there about you know how long do we expect on mobile devices to last how long are they built to last the inclusion of things like sealed batteries and that kind thoughts that are disappearing and kind of being replaced by one do it all poor typing again yeah it's really interesting as a geek as someone going out and spending however many hundreds of dollars on a phone I don't know if that's something that I'm convinced that other people will stand behind long enough no I'm definitely in agreement there I think we've all been sort of discussing ecosystem you know if you're buying into a platform or if you're buying into a set of accessories and expectation like I think the g5 was one of the most spectacular failures for that idea where it became very clear about halfway through that phones first year that this was likely not going to be an experiment that LG was going to continue on so you ended up you know where it's not my favorite phone but you ended up spending money on stuff in that phone that is now end-of-life and you know we see very clearly from the g6 that their that their focus has moved on from that III guess I just find it curious that we still haven't fully maximized or fully utilized the benefits of usb-otg on our mobile devices I love this notion of a wireless USB 360 degree camera but I've also recently been playing with USB see 360 degree cameras that this is universal you know every Android phone I think running running lollipop on maybe marshmallow on I can't remember but a significant chunk of the Android ecosystem I can plug this directly into a phone and be instantly streaming 360 degree video and it will move to another phone and I don't have to worry about compatibility and so that to me also becomes one of the biggest questions is to sort of expand on your idea there's Andy Rubin has the the cred anymore to drive a significant chunk of market towards adopting something that radical I wonder whether we need it you know I I can't you know I think I think it's really interesting I think like you say you know this idea of being able to plug in devices into Android phones and expand them in lots of interesting ways you know it's been around for a while and it maybe it hasn't been as elegant as a magnetically connected wirelessly SB thing very very secular it is absolutely rather than cables going everywhere but I do I wonder whether it's hard enough finding people who actually want to carry a 360-degree camera in their pocket and that's a standalone thing or something that you plug in just how Laden down like pack horses are we going to be you know do we really need to take everything with us I think if you could guarantee that when you went to an office that they would save you our hot-desking and you could plug your phone into something and and it would have your big screen and I guess that would be interesting again I just don't know if there's the market therefore I don't know if this is something that people people want or need or have been asking for even I think it's something that would be interesting if you're trying to sell people more accessories but we condense down all of the things that we were carrying mp3 player and the camera and the Filofax and show me you know all of those things we put into one phone and now I'm saying hang on why don't you then try and expand it out from that again and plug in more things I don't know if the mass market certainly wants that I'm not entirely sure if the geeky market at which I come to us both once that either well you know III think there is a desire for it I I think one of the biggest issues is the the scenario you just described there's no infrastructure for it you know like I look at the concept of something like Samsung decks and I think that is stinking cool I thought it was cool when Microsoft tried it on the Lumia 950 um using that continuum but then the notion that I'm gonna go somewhere and plug my phone into what to do this work still doesn't make me happy around the lap dog yeah if you having to carry around the dock with you and all of the accessories with you it you kind of have to ask yourself well why you know why am i bothering why i bothering i think i think there is a really interesting potential play here in that you know you have situations kind of in the wider world beyond phones which apparently exists you know things like laptop travel bans and people i have people who travel a lot saying to me well you know what am i going to do if I need to go internationally and I can't take my laptop on the plane or I had to check it I don't want to check a bag or am i coming to on my laptop separately through yeah I'm going to Amazon Prime myself one overnight to the hotel in Rome or something and and again Andy Rubin has the money to do that but and we most of us don't and I think that it would be very interesting to see a forward-facing hotel chain saying well ok we're going to put a lap you know a dock for your phone into the hotel room so that you don't have to worry about bringing a laptop you just dock your incredibly powerful smartphone into this and just like we've been giving you speakers that will play music you know now we're going to give you the ability to turn into a PC and kind of do whatever you might need to do work on the road and not have to worry about bringing a laptop but again like you say it's that ecosystem and that kind of harmonization of that ecosystem and you can't expect people to put in a Samsung dec stock and also a doctor works at LG phones and Wi-Fi and it's even funnier in a climate where like the last business grade hotel that I stayed in had a Bose Aker alarm clock that's not the iPhone 30-pin connector on it so think about the hotel industry actually being bleeding edge here I mean even IKEA had problems trying to move Wireless desk chargers for her phones it does seem to be something where I think the industry needs to drive the consumer interest to a point where it makes sense to invest in this stuff but then we have that chicken and the egg problem of who's really the early adopter on this can they now motivate purchases and I and I really I've been sort of saying this for a while that I think the the the leverage that we geeks used to exercise over the industry is sort of waning as more of this tech becomes lifestyle oriented like there's a little less reason to listen to us for some of these more out there bleeding edge discussions until somehow a technology comes full around where consumers are the ones motivating the discussions not those of us at the bleeding edge we were very powerful for a while and then we lost our power when it was realized that other people would buy things and spend a lot of our money on it and it was easier to make mass-market devices than sell to some really really loud complaining geeks like us so well it got a little a lot of smaller companies like we see them go after the enthusiasts and then a couple years later they're making five or six different versions of selfie foam which we need we need more selfie which people call if people can't see my face and what's the point I'm upset if I don't have at least four cameras pointing at my face with when I have to use both hands to to operate my dick this is why this is why I need drones that's why I'm looking forward to the you know the first ground that doesn't need me to ride I want to just be I want to be followed around and constantly stared at and potentially put that on the internet and make some money but yeah you need to find people with niche interests for that and yeah so real quick I just want to put this on passwords again Jules just an instant message need to ask it were you recording on your end the audio yes okay good okay good so um let's uh all right let's shift gears I also have you brought up the the new home device that Andy Rubin also showed off to yeah this one so I have been old man crotchety about the notion of more listening devices in our homes being quasi assistance but kind of only good for a limited set of questions or commands and then listening to Andy Rubin describe what essential home was going to be and how they were trying to develop partnerships with Google with Siri with Cortana with Amazon I I'm a little I'm actually a little more concerned on this arm of the strategy if this is the post mobile world I don't think we're getting to that cool computer Star Trek future that nerds like me have always wanted no I think we're getting to a situation where you have a chorus of not very intelligent I can ask for for a poor answer so you get to decide you know do you do you want to ask a lexer for a bad answer would you like to do resistance to confuse you a little bit or do you want a Siri to misunderstand you and tell you about the weather and they race it there are yeah I think you're absolutely right I think there's under this umbrella idea of giving consumers choice it's kind of ignore the fact that what consumers actually want is a friendly robot helper who doesn't need to be trained or doesn't need to be educated doesn't need to go away and think about it or have you know obtained levels of reworking in the background they just want something that they can ask a question and get an answer that isn't nonsensical and yeah right now none of them can do that really you know that the rest there are some things that maybe a lecture is better at than Google is and it's serious battle now okay maybe the Google is better than the lecture is but you know it's not great it's not it's not meaningful choice if you just get to choose between mediocre products in one game factor so now I sound like a crotchety old man yeah yeah well but this is another thing like I feel so much of what we're being sold as progress is being built on this notion of cool which companies have yet to be able to deliver I mean we just got another news report recent need that you know Bixby was going to be delayed even further the full Bixby experience was going to be delayed on Galaxy s8 and so obviously doing an assistant speech you know speech interaction type of software search or software app integration is very difficult but I still don't think that we've gone beyond much beyond I can point my camera at something and then Amazon can give me a link to buy it or I can ask what the weather is or I can set a reminder and these are all things that we've we've been able to do fairly well I mean I remember using Vlingo on blackberries and being able to do some very similar things a long time ago and it seems like we keep kind of coming around the same like well now the the voice assistant has a higher quality voice while I'm looking at IBM Watson commercials and you know IBM Watson is coming up with recipes for food trucks and like I would like to eat a recipe that was designed by an AI system but Bixby can't even scan the stuff on my toy shelf back there and give me a meaningful visual search result I think I think part of the problem from my perspective you know and I was you know we unlike you we try all of these different home assistants and have different virtual agents the return I just don't want to have to ask for it I want something that's more proactive I want something which will roam I don't know maybe which will look at my calendar and look at or you know where I am and look at who I've been speaking to and kind of you know if I'm going to give over all of this personal information I want to get something really really worthwhile back for it I don't want to have to go and say so well you know what time is it back home in the UK you know I wanted to know that you know if I if I call my parents for that you know weekly gilt phone call it's going to tell me it's going to remind me to do it it's going to it's going to set the call up it's going to nudge me to not forget so that you know when Christmas comes around they they still love me so I just I feel like there are lots of things to ask questions of but I just have no real motivation to ask those questions I want something which will say okay we've got this Gris we're going to go away we're going to do this in the background could all of these wonderful things whether they be food truck recipes or ways to make my life more streamlined or shows or books that I might be interested in based on what it knows about me I don't think there's any kind of shortage of information as I'm willingly putting out right about what I like and what I'm interested in what's important to me I just no one actually acting on it well and I think a lot of us can remember that excitement the first time on an Android phone where I mean if you had to commute to go to work and the phone would give you that alert saying hey you might want to leave five minutes earlier and we've looked at traffic in your area but we still haven't like done anything much more exciting than that the world of proactive information dissemination bizarre yeah I mean I've been say my example that I've been using and this is how depressing it is I've been using it for the past you know six seven years is that I'm someone who likes coffee I like I don't mind spending a little bit more for an independent coffee place rather than a Starbucks or the P tray whatever and if I'm walking along somewhere and my phone knows that there is a highly rated independent coffee shop around the corner why isn't it telling me there's a highly rated independent coffee shop around the corner Cris you know one you've got a few minutes and you said yo why don't you head on over and have an espresso or something and I mean we've seen sort of maybe I'm cutting you maybe HCC assistant which is just kind of top of my line because it was reviewing the u11 recently and that kind of you know starts to say well maybe we could do a little bit like that and suggest restaurants when it's lunchtime but it doesn't seem very personal to me you know it's not there's nothing saying well okay this is what Chris likes to do and here's what his assistant is going to help him to do I don't know well and I feel like by the time we get to that point we're all going to be programmed to ignore those types of popups like I can't tell you the number for that because yeah from all the different phones that I have to set up every single time I go to a target and my phone goes hey this is a great opportunity for photos and you're like no it's not it's a target I'm not going to share photos publicly give me body things like you know a deodorant at Target that's not animating your audience but but em but ya know I mean and and you're absolutely right there's this kind of it gets it wrong and then people don't use it anymore because it gets it wrong right and then the flip side of that is companies are very cautious arousing I think when the HCC sensor system came out you know on the you ultra and it a lot of the time it just didn't give you any suggestions and people said well HTC why is this why is this assistant so quiet we wouldn't pay a human assistant to be this quiet and they said well you know we don't want to get it wrong we don't want to put people off using it in future because we've given you incorrect suggestions so I think I guess it's a tough one because if they give you too much and it doesn't fit with what you want it's the target situation you might won't hang on now I'm not going to let you look into my calendar because you're getting me really really bad suggestions right media where I am because I'm not getting any value from this and if they go on the other end and play it safe then we complain because we don't hear from the assistant at all so I think we're in that really really tricky place where the AI is getting smarter and the voice assistant sounds better like you say but what they're actually delivering to us just hasn't kind of tipped over to I don't know much more than a book of coupons well in even then it's a book of coupons for often for products that I don't care to use I'm to circle this back to - Andy Rubin into essential I got the the the concern that essential home was starting to sound like my absolute favorite xkcd comic where it's someone sitting down and going there are 13 different ways to do this someone should just come up with one way and make it the standard and then there's another panel that says six months later and two different people are sitting down saying there are 14 different ways to tooth if someone should create a new way to do this it just becomes a standard but Jules has the copy of it magalie I've referenced this so many times Jules you're awesome I wouldn't go that far good maybe yeah but but that that was the fear I was starting to get when Andy Rubin was describing what their ideal was for essential home that this was something that could rise above all of these other assistants or these other products interoperability synergy paradigm buzzword buzzword buzzword and so you you had mentioned that this was potentially something that you found I don't mean to put you on the spot or make you defensive but something that you found might have been a more interesting move that this was the companion product I guess for releasing a phone in this in this market and then getting us out of if we're really going to achieve the the the post smartphone world is this the product class that we should be turning to is this going to become another thing like smartwatches you know we kind of peaked on on wearables as they currently exist in that you know Bluetooth headsets things like that what what were your some of your feelings is to like where this might go and what this might indicate for the future of rubens company well I do feel they put on the spot and defensive but I'm going to try and work through no I think that's why it's why I like you you're a pro yeah I'm crying inside and I've had a lot of surgery outside to make it ever look different them it's literally just the way I'm standing and I think I think I'm interested by it because it's not just another Android phone with a snapdragon 835 and a decent camera and you know classy construction I don't know if it's going to be the one that will take us into this brave new world of a eyes I kind of doubt it and I think like you say this idea of it being an umbrella for lots of other different assistants when what I really want is just one really good assistant doesn't bode that well I guess my interest in it is that I think that this proactive kind of collaborative idea of a smart phone not just being a device I should say this you know not just being a phone that I pick out and take on my pocket lookout when I want something and I put it back in my pocket and go away this more kind of persistent all-embracing kind of that kind of agent that cookies going through life with us rather than something that we consult periodically I find that more fascinating I don't know if what Andy Rubin is doing and attention is doing is going to be the one that will deliver that but I the idea of what he's talking about of it being something why I have to think less about what question are they going to ask right well in what question do I want to ask and how do I need to phrase that question to get a meaningful response and how do I keyword that and how come when I ask a question I can't put something in quotes I'm just going to type it okay I mean clearly this is this is why a lexer is getting a camera so that we can we can do air quotes at the same time and she will know what we're talking about and also to love a kid well but but also I mean this this this to me it feels like we keep reinventing the wheel because I I I think back to the conversations when um because my wife works for a video game video game publisher and when the newest generation the current generation of consoles were coming out we had like some really long conversations about whether or not we were going to go Xbox or Playstation and one of the things that was a major vote against the Xbox for her was Kinect cameras and microphones in our home always listening who has our bucket of data how is it protected we were going through like celebrity hacks on on Apple's cloud storage and and it really shot her down like know what I I think we're going to get a Playstation all because she did not want you know this sort of spy in our living room was sort of the idea that she just couldn't shake and I have problems you know under that same talking what you're saying the philosophy of where do we go next from a momentary interaction which dedicates all of our visual mental and tactile attention to operating this thing blocking out the world around us is where do we go from there and and if part of this is the persistent fog of digital butler's then I feel like the the response that we get has to be exceedingly better than the interaction I can have by typing something quickly into a search box I think you're right I think the Butler mention is interesting because I think you know it's the parallels there of pretty clear you know you wouldn't allow a butler into your house to kind of help set out your clothes and dress you in the morning and serve you if he was accidentally ripping your shirts and spilling soup I see all the time so it comes down to value you know am I getting enough out of whatever this virtual Butler is for me to be okay with this idea of interesting some big company or a small company whoever gets it right - with all of my personal data and the knowledge of where I am and what I'm doing and who I'm talking to and what I'm wearing well and also is there also a notion of trying to make this interaction just more intimate the thing I was really hoping to see from Samsung especially following their Bigsby announcement and from other companies - I mean we've been flirting with the wireless earbuds um of getting to something kind of like yeah I'm in that like the movie her you know just to kind of harp on something that I think geeks really enjoyed the depiction of that kind of interface where if I'm gonna have conversations or ask questions or get relevant information through some sort of audio interface I'm kind of surprised that the main focus has been on a home speaker which stays in one room that I then have to I mean I live in a two-story condo so do I keep the Google home in my office where I spend a good chunk of my day or do I put it downstairs where you know my daughter is constantly babbling and you know running around to show you a little toddler by 4:00 with the both three of the little like where do these things live and then also if I'm going to use other features to like music streaming or media consumption podcasting things like that my phone follows me throughout my day even in my home but that's something my Google home can't do without like you were saying without having a network of these speaker things kind of always all around me and I kind of see the being a differentiation there between what would be an incredibly personal device like like a here kind of hair even to this idea that this whispering technical friend in our in Aria who kind of just gives us little hints and keeps us going through the day and makes our lives more productive and rewarding or whatever and this idea of a home that would be a component of that experience almost like you know you would you have your chauffeur during the day and then you get home and you hand it over to the butler and the responsibilities for looking after you and your family or whoever you live with kind of are shared between the different devices and it picks and chooses the the most appropriate way of communicating that data with you depending on what that data is you know there are some things that I I don't mind being shouted out you know it's in the you know in the middle of dinner you know through a home speaker and there are going to be other things which I would just like to have carefully whispered into my ear so that you know it doesn't distract other people other people down here or you know this is just there's different layers of privacy and kind of involvement there and so I think there is a place for both but I think the experience on either front is it's not there yet but I the people I hear saying that they love products like Google Amazon echo and Google home and that kind of thing most are people with families with children and the kids love to talk to them and I don't have children I don't really believe in them but I guess that that is a good I mean you know I mean when you say you don't believe in them I mean you acknowledge as they exist it's just you don't I'm not even sure I'd go that far beyond experience but I mean I have seen smaller people and well it could be tiny Apple to the distance that's if you if you ever if you ever need you know just that little extra bit of evidence you come and come and visit and when my daughter gets home from daycare she will inflate and infect you with the plague because that's what toddlers do and you will have a better understanding of the existence of of these tiny little individuals so yeah that's so I mean it's it could just be an adult a lot further away I don't think but I think I think that you know that's a really and just as an interesting niche were you know the some words of people are finding that yes you know young people do enjoy just talking something and having answers parroted back by something that doesn't get bored if they ask the same question over and over again and if you run these cases there but at the same time I don't necessarily want that device to and that young person to also be able to accidentally order things or check my work calendar or put daddy must go to the park for three hours on my module tomorrow so you know there is it comes back a guess to these different layers of what I expect different devices that I interact with on a daily basis to do and to know about me and what kind of intrusiveness levels that I'm willing to put it with yeah and that's definitely been another conversation we've been having a lot in our home too where I think my my less than two year old daughter's idea of what technology is she understands cameras so she likes seeing people take pictures and she likes seeing pictures of herself and then she also understands video calls so so whenever we pull out like my laptop she'll come running over and say nonny nonny because she wants to call my mom she wants to talk to Grandma so you know we're trying very hard not to let this just be like hey here's where you can watch Sesame Street and just sit and consume and you know you know just be of a lazy slub it's communication and she's starting you know as much as a toddler can because you know she's starting to figure out crayons and cameras and all this stuff is creation like she can she can make things in a very rudimentary sense so I like we're trying to figure than this Delta isn't good I mean because that seems again I don't know huge amount about children but I feel like you're supposed to just praise them no matter what they do and much higher voltages um yeah well you know she's she's my daughter and I love her like crazy but um you know I'm not that parent who's going to try and trick people into thinking that this is some new exciting modern art look it's a lost Basquiat you could make a lot of money for that with like a ninny cently sold for like a hundred million dollars or something like that and you look at you go do that yeah I like hey we've got College some kind of paid for excellent [Laughter] well Chris I really want to thank you for for for jumping and I've kept you a little bit longer than I think we meant to but it was a great conversation I really appreciate you taking the time to help us unpack some of this info this is this is all really um is a robe like really curious but I just think there's there's the notion of competition which is really exciting here too and from someone who has such a celebrated history you know from working with Carl Zeiss to Apple to creating danger to inventing Android before Google bought it out that if anyone deserves some bit of coverage then it's definitely Andy Rubin I know a lot of us are having some some of those like hesitation first generation this is something early we don't we want to keep our expectations in check but I am you know I'd live I'd be lying if I said I weren't a little sort of giddy to try something that this guy does I think if anyone can do it it's probably going to be him so I guess no pressure Andy but everything literally everything the future of innovation in the smartphone space is resting on your shoulders so and beedis it up yeah you know just it's cool but yeah but you know the week ever ever think about it take it take a day have a bit of you today I thought some coffee on yeah you bring the donuts yeah oh I could totally go for a donut yeah there you have it folks another episode of the PocketNow weekly has come and gone the show is over but the conversation continues you 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