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says good luck we just went live in you just say good luck we're all going laughs that's the flight bills exactly good luck everybody by the way your top tip to anybody out there who might be doing podcasts one of the best things you can do to get your voice ready for a podcast is on the drive over just Belltown all your favorite songs in the car oh okay then if anybody wanted industry secrets that's Josh with regards right there Thank You Joshua I will make a note of that actually right now boys to men is a great one I'm just kidding watching for that matter yeah yeah there you go all right here we go it's episode 343 of the weekly from PocketNow NXT developers recorded on Friday the first of February 2019 I'm sorry Phoebe wary yeah I know welcome to the shortest month of the year everybody and congratulations on getting through what seems to be the longest week of mobile tech news clearly we have a lot to talk about on this episode we're pushing forward on all of the things that make us go from 5g to foldables to whatever we can come up with or really whatever the industry can come up with because everything's coming out the woodwork these days I am of course Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody and I'll take the opportunity to wish everyone happy Lunar New Year as well which begins on Tuesday so just a few days from now so next week this is gonna be celebrations all over the place I personally as a Filipino don't get those red envelopes but you know if anyone wants to throw in my way I'll take it my friend I was yeah I can't eat moon cake though let me just say that so I will be spending some time with my family after the show not necessarily for Lunar New Year but I'm definitely ready for my lunch so let's get into our show TK Bay is back with us in place of Brandon for this week how's it going with you man I I'm doing good I'm doing good and I'm happy to be able to join you guys one more time I I always love being able to join the show so thanks for having me you're not outside this time no I do apologize yes I I thought I could actually be very versatile you know Ultrabook go outside sit and do yeah no this time I strike I learned my lesson yeah I know all right well I'm a is going to be joining us when he gets a chance to you later obviously as anybody who watches the show knows his internet tends to be a bit of a thing oh there you go I was just like about how bad your internet is Jaime there we go Jaime is back we'll go ahead and just give him a wave as he gets set up and we're also introducing somebody new from the matrix I mean the matrix and if you get well he is in New Jersey we're talking to max a blonde oh no did I say that right by the way bond on Oh bond on oh okay because I hope he'll butcher my last name all the time it'll be fine I cannot I cannot roll my arse and this one I was reading it like completely phonetically like every letter but but but has anybody made the proper introduction like welcome to the real world [Laughter] nah no but everybody gets my last name wrong it's a known thing like my dad suffered with that his whole life it's on no no no welcome to my world it's okay I I think I have I don't have anybody beat but it's funny my middle name is Briones and every now and said brownies so well that's and that's the thing video and this is a last name it's not a middle name yeah there was my mom my mom's my mom's previous name of course oh alright cool so now now that everybody is in let's going to get into our stories um okay so we normally have a worksheet that we use in order to look at all of the stories before the show goes live every week I get a little bit excited to like go through the stories pretty quickly I get to the office earlier every single week to go through all of them and I think it's gonna be a nice easy show this this one may not might be a little different there's a lot to talk about not only because some of the stories we're gonna talk about at the end of the show actually made it onto local news that's how big that story is but for now we're gonna get into a lot of little pieces of information that we might be getting during MWC after all Mobile World Congress is in a few different is in a few weeks and we're getting a lot of different leaks and that might be happening and the first one that we're gonna look at is by Sony with the Xperia xz4 all right anybody in this I know that hi may you have and because I was the one who did the review on the honor but have any of you others who used the new honor with Sony's latest sensor that's at 48 megapixels I have no idea what you're talking about you have two phones can I have one thank you they took that one but they took the red one back no one of the it was a giveaway going on and the other unit was for the giveaway so I actually personally hand-delivered that unit back to them in fares the area yes all right I I've never had separation anxiety as much as when I give phones away I don't know why yeah but yeah it's they're very nice yes I have spent quite as what about a predicate amount of time with that phone definitely yeah same and okay take a quick thoughts from you about just how fantastic is that camera photo wise at least for the wise is just the way to describe it I this is by far the way I envision trying to take pictures with with phones the reason behind that is the ability to shoot of 48 megapixel image and you don't have to worry about zoom or worry about any kind of crappie you just take that 48 megapixel megapixel image and then crop to do whatever you want the composition is yours you're able to just fit everything you want and it's it's something that I've learned from hi Mia even from before with shooting video you know shoot in 4k but render in 1080p because they have more control into what you're doing in the image and it just does it so well I like the AI clarity that they have in there and I had a fun time taking pictures with it in Paris of course we were snowed in but you know it was it definitely it's a pleasure it's nice to see something so good and just unexpected because you don't really think it was gonna be that good til you have it in your hand yeah so I I go a lot of those thoughts as well I mean it's it's a fantastic sensor being used in a very effective way partially because honor has such a close relationship with Huawei so a lot of those features make it onto that sensor so my yeah my final not in that review was I can't wait to see what everyone else does with this sensor and now here comes Sony saying we're gonna want you were gonna one-up it even further so apparently according to a Japanese publication we're not going to get just that 48 megapixel sensor that is in the honor of you 20 but 10 she the xz4 is going to have something of 52 megapixels mm they haven't announced that sense or some kind of skeptical over what it is exactly that's what I'm saying but the thing is well the reason why I wanted to bring up what TK was saying about the honors because even if it's not 52 megapixels the 48 megapixel that is official is already pretty great so I don't know the Xperia might be a very exciting phone yeah but but how about if we get the Sony camera with a huawei software on that thing because like Sony suffers like trash it's like concerning is like one of those companies where it's like if Qualcomm made a phone but they wouldn't know how to take advantage of their own processor that's Sony that is Tony for you that is true now max the sony Sony phones what's the last Xperia that you've used I have never used an experience has got to be the first one I think right now is probably the best time to try it out because not only the sensor but also because I mean we're seeing a lot of stuff happening this year that hopefully will enhance Sony phones to the point where they become really really compelling because over the last number of years you you may not know this max but they're kind of the same every single year I have I have noticed that just from my own research and everything like I've you know they stick with the same I want to say like rectangular body but like they don't use the same sort of design language it's like a iPhone or whatever with like curved corners and stuff it's always like this super boxy thing I've tried getting units of in Subway's sometimes I'm just like I'm not even got a father just looks weird don't bother like it takes forever to get units from these guys and then like I did the review on the XZ 3 and and on the XE 2 and I was like alright these phones are good they feel great and everything and it's just I'm trying to understand like glass is not made by Sony like the metal is not made by Sony meaning you know these are thus not looking after that what they make is camera sensors and that's the part they get wrong yeah yeah I am in the process of trying to get a view 20 unit like TK has because just just the design is very attracted to me it's really nice actually with rich at near win and he just got one and so I was asking him about it and stuff but I'm just like looking at it in his video I'm like oh my gosh that looks sick so I'm working on it but we'll see okay well this this is again this is a leak a rumor well we'll call it a rumor cuz I can't even really say it's a leak because we mean we can't really corroborate it and whatsoever right um so we'll just say it's a rumor for now but my point is it may be 52 it may be 48 in either case is probably gonna be pretty great because we've already experienced the 48 now let's go to something that is actually pretty much a fish on that is we're going we're going we're one-upping literally every little part of a phone that we possibly can so here comes Samsung this is ridiculous keep going we need one terabyte in the phone no no remember it was one of your tag lines for the note 9 to remember this is the phone that you'd be able to put it 512 on top of the 512 yes and you couldn't buy a fine salt back then no no back then no no no you know and so it's like I don't know it's great it's bragging rights and this is what Sam strings does see Samsung makes chips and they're good at it and they build them into their phones they get it right it's I don't know I I like I have one terabyte on this laptop that I use for work um the only reason I need one terabyte is because of ProRes when you render and ProRes it's like shoot I think it'll eat up your hard drive in a couple of videos well yeah you just you the advantage of pro res it's it's such a large pipe for you to throw in all media that you know there's just lossless format it's great but that's this is where you need it like if you're editing a video like I could totally see myself using an iPad with one terabyte because of the like minus 256 do a lot of the thumbnails that we do I use a lot of that software and so for that plus I want to start doing my blog editing on that iPad pro that's where I need one terabyte but on a phone it's like now what am I gonna throw in there yeah max you've you you flashed an iPhone a second ago which which model is that this is the the 10s I have this is actually on loan from horizon but I've enjoyed it it's got 64 gigs of storage on it though so I think so that's the thing like I to get even more you got to pay way more is that gonna do you think that's gonna be the case with Samsung with this one terabyte thing oh absolutely but the thing is I like I would strongly advise anyone not to ever buy a terabyte of storage in their phone they will never use it like I just general people like the general consumer to like I have problems trying to fill up a 128 phone like I have a 1 plus 60 and like I've maybe fill that up 35 40 % of the way so you're just imagining a terabyte it's just it's ridiculous but and then the price tag it's like $1600 yeah like like if you want to boost so here's the thing so if the retail price of that phone let's assume let's assume that the retail price of that phone is $1,000 let's just make up that that's the price tag $1600 oh my god if I want to get one terabyte on a MacBook Pro its $400 why is 60 why is six to eight hundred dollar premium over one terabyte well okay to be fair I feel like like okay this this particular one terabyte drive if this chart is to be believed the read and write speeds are pretty fantastic they're not that much higher than the previous one but what I'm thinking of here is that it should be these read and write speeds for like 128 gigabytes or 2 or 56 kilobytes it should be that and but because the how I give Android can take advantage of read and write speeds that are that crazy either man well perhaps so yeah that's true it's definitely better than using an external sd card sure that actually have slower main reading right so but what about incentives like wouldn't Samsung like if you're gonna get a one terrible at hard drive flash memory whatever inside of a inside of a phone like this why now give some incentives I know everyone got really mad that there was like pre-loaded content on certain phones and whatnot but this would be an interesting way of making people actually enjoy one terabyte by putting things like fortnight in there or a lot of movies and then you'll have 900 80 gigabytes left yeah how about you TK had me feel about the the storage option here I think yeah I'm wrong with you guys I think it's way way overkill I think the 512 model of the note 9 was a hard one to even try to fill up I tried that one oh my god I i if you if you check out the channel I get the plate with a lot of things yeah you had a chance to play with that one and it was one of those ud2 there's just no way but the problem is you also still had expandable storage so that's the other thing my question that I may be looking at slightly deeper on that one is if they offer the thousand terabyte internal drive are they considering removing the internal storage expansion is it is that in lieu of you know like when they go with a higher storage because they want to say well look you don't need to worry about it you don't need the SD card anymore this will take you used the filler you did that with the s8 didn't they no they did it would be s 6 OS 6 that wasn't one okay and that was the reason why they did it that would do just what TK said they said that the memory would not be or the storage will not be fast enough for what they have to get but back then and in those days of Android like there was a substantial difference and and the like keep good load apps on the SD card and there would just bark them down and so just throw the experience the out the trash that was ya know so 5 I think 512 is overkill 256 I think is I would say for me about the sweet spot that I'd like to say that that's a good one because whenever you're testing the phone like for what we do and you try to go out and show a lot of 4k a lot of pictures and go on an actual trip to kind of get all that content you want to have that buffer room you want to be able to say look I'm never gonna fill it up 64 should just go away I don't that 64 shirt exists this is not a 64 should go away go away but like the problem is when you have devices like the one +16 McLaren where you get 256 gigs for $6.99 $6.99 it's like 10 10 gigabytes of RAM and 256 gigs and you're not gonna fill those up man like like the only phone where I see myself filling that up and judge me all you want is with an iPhone 10s or 10s max I could I would want one of those with a terabyte because of their video capability it's like their codec for 4k at 60 is second to none in mobile so I could totally seem I could totally see myself vlogging permanently with an iPhone just because of the codec and then that storage would be useful for me for that you know the thing about it like galaxies are good like they're they're scratching great when it comes to video but it's like when you grab a video between again a galaxy galaxy note 9 and an iPhone 10s man shoot I'll pick the 10s that's just the way it is you know yeah indeed okay so as we keep the train rolling on features that were just one upping during MWC LG is looking to bring 5g to they're not the G series though that probably would have made some sense but but LG is looking to bring 5g to they're V series and that's the phone that potentially will be going on Sprint's now we've talked about 5g like crazy we know that's gonna go on Sprint whether or not that's actually a good thing or something that we could look forward to that's all stuff we've talked about before but this is my questions everybody it's 5g enough to bring the V Series this far forward in the release cycle isn't the wasn't the V Series an ephah exclusive type of phone like this is really right and so you imagine the build just show it off and they'll announce it and we'll get it onto leaf oh that's very possible last year they also that the whole v35 thing where they played that little nomenclature you know they but the reality is yeah I think we're happy was saying is this is more of a proof of hey we kind of did it just to say that we could do it and you know it won't be available because they need they need the infrastructure they need to be able to actually deploy it correctly true ya know anything this is like this is like the punch hole race where it was Samsung and honor and all these companies announcing the phone first but you know in the end nobody had launched it yet and so that's what LG is doing they're just gonna announce their phone first but for what I mean unpacked is gonna happen how many days before the LG event four days before the LG event and we know Samsung's gonna do the same so it's like yeah what you know yeah max are you on the 5g hype are you are you get hype on 5g yeah no no no if it matters to me until like next year and then you know then I'll start getting hyped but until then like you know the only person rolling out 5g at this point is AT&T and that's not even 5g so like it's not gonna reach anybody and not gonna reach anybody where it matters and so like next year so yeah I'm not gonna ride on anything but I do want to say one thing about this V 50 thing I certainly hope they do not call it a V 50 B 50 like thank you my friend whatever they've been or not I swear because the rumor says it's gonna have a six inch display and all this stuff I am Qualcomm eight fifty five four thousand milliamp hour battery I think this is gonna be like a V 45 or something like they did to be 35 from last year and then say be 54 Eva yeah it probably should be to be honest because if these if these leaks are to be believed these phones in 2019 are gonna probably be the only ones with notches and it's like what you're already behind and that just an Aussie just disappoints me a little bit like now not to say that the notch actually breaks functionality in any which way but it's just one of those things like you look at it and you're like oh no I agree I agree but how about if we get another LG this is gonna be the LG v 40s Plus think exactly you remember Josh you remember when we went to the briefing last year yeah at MWC and they were like this is the LGV 30s plus thank you we were expecting to get a g7 at that briefing and then it was like what yeah and there and we were like what exactly is different here under like AI and color same specs oh you get different colors we get a yeah mm-hmm that's when the thinkyou thing was was introduced you can imagine how well that presentation went yeah well speaking of ridiculousness have you guys been looking at these iPhone renders that have these ridiculous like the their own version of the stove on the back of their phone like oh yeah but can you imagine Apple designers like looking at these concepts and renders and being like hmm maybe we should do that one or how about if we do that one because it's so early right now we haven't even started designing and these guys are already creating renders for this thing like seriously this is the most ridiculous looking thing and I hope it's not the case because number one stove number two the camera hump like that entire thing is just it's just the best of the bunch well we're gonna call it yeah well okay so potentially there might be a new camera that will that whap here on the back of the latest Apple devices that uses laser technology may be a time of flight camera but a lasers laser technology to sense object detail in proximity those are things that we've seen in and lt had and now didn't LG have a like a laser sensors it's like the g3 exactly laser autofocus exactly built-in since then yeah could be without a hunchback yeah exactly so yeah the so potentially the other the other rumor about this is that iOS 13 is going to get a dark mode but perhaps to the dismay of a lot of users who have been very loyal to Apple over the last number of years there might be an actual change to the port on the phone going from lightning to USB see now how many years that first happened okay he can actually you know what let me get let me go to you real quick then because Jaime over there is actually experiencing this change with his iPad pro yeah okay for me I'm more four-unit universal ports I mean we don't want to keep going between different cables all of androids already on us PC I all your peripherals are all starting to come out with us PC we have yes PC on the you know GoPros and so on Apple needs to kind of we need to just have one format and make it simple and not having to carry all of these things on top of the fact that we have to carry dongles with our laptops so to me having that move I think will make it better for us but I didn't know that there are people you know that there is concerns with the the way with the iPad pro so please do tell us the problem is it's not the connector it's what the connector does it's it's like all right so I have flash storage here I want to connect it to my iPad because I want to throw in some video that I want to throw into my vlog and boom it doesn't work yeah problems like that and then the other problem you have is obviously there is this like crazy ecosystem of lightning based made for iPhone MFI products yeah that now don't work on USB see because Apple has not created female lightning to mail USBC connector and there isn't any and so like for example the microphone that I use for daily I can no longer use it on the iPad because I can't connect it to USB see and these MFI services only work on lightning and so if you have anything that's NFI like if you if you wanted to connect that ipad to one of those smart speakers then you find that any hotel room they don't work like there is no adapter you know the biggest question is like it's not that I care about what's gonna happen with the feature mmm if I it's I care about what happens with all the accessories that I have right now like I know a lot of people like a really good friend of mine as a musician and he connects he uses this apogee connector which is not cheap at all to connect this guitar into connectors as his organ and none of these things work now and so that's the reason why he hasn't upgraded to the new iPad he wants it but he's like but what am I gonna do with my stuff you know that would be my that would be my thing to that the move to USB see basically makes every peripheral every accessory that you had in the past just wasted money and IA as much it's weird right like when USBC was first coming out everyone was complaining about it because they didn't want to change their standards they didn't want to change their tables this would be the same exact argument for anybody who currently has Apple phones like Mac scooter rocking a-10s what if the 10 SS or tennis - yeah whatever that what if that changes things up for you like well to be honest I'm not too heavily invested into the Apple ecosystem like Phi any means so like I'm a big Android guy and I only have USB C cables so having an an iPhone in my life invading that with its lightning connector it gets annoying so if Apple puts a USB C port on the next iPhone I will buy it instantly just me that this it would be the best poked in the side by Apple to my boy we moved to USB see here's an adapter for your lightning honestly it's fine again my prom with USB C on iPhones is not like I think USB C is probably one of the coolest inventions I love using them on my macbook pros I love that all Windows laptops are moving except for the surface I don't know why so don't get me wrong I like the move what I don't like is again Apple's implementation on iOS devices yeah in the case of iPads alone like fine I don't care if I can't connect twice well I do care it's just Apple really needs to figure out a way to sandbox files out I think that's the term I don't I probably wrong but like I don't care if they don't want us to access the file system but they need to figure something out because if the the biggest does anybody well none of you use Mac's but I remember when I bought a Mac oh you do you do TK I remember I don't know what I bought a Mac yeah I remember when I bought a Mac originally my first concern is are all my things from Windows gonna work on the Mac and so the biggest selling point like the first thing that I looked on YouTube was does this work and I was relieved to see him and a lot of people would be like oh they work the same that's all great but the problem is when you have different implementations of USBC on iPhones this is really frustrating for people that are considering switching so not only all USBC protocols are created equal that's what people need to know exactly it may look the same but it won't function the same and you're right you're right and that in my opinion I think that's apples misstep there with with the iPad pro specifically because this is a creation tool a lot of people will use it it's not just a media consumption tool that adapter should have been either I invented or at least included in the Box - at least accommodate the existing user base they did it when they moved from the twelfth pin connector to the lights it was the whole what do you do but they included options and you know that transition was hard but it because we moved to something better it does your adapters that's the thing like after the 30 pin and that's great exactly and that's what they need to do they need to keep their consumer base they need to make sure take care of their consumer base I think that's the better way and I I personally love my Mac guy nothing against Windows PCs I just from a from a reliability standpoint I can tell you that I've had almost no crashes within the last two years on my macbook pro not to say that Windows bad either just you can depend on it it works you turn it on and it works it works great fair and one one last thought on this for a USBC if in a perfect world every use for me at least every USB C port would be Thunderball 3 it adds another wrinkle in the confusion that is I know I caused the thing is like I do use a new GPU on this made book in order to I want to don't get me like that I want to build a TT PU you've made me want to get an EDP you man there you go because gaming there's it's just more fun and the thing is that there are there are other ways of getting that kind of gaming performance out of it and apples throwing their hat into the ring so there is could could you see Apple actually being or rather the service that they're creating it would be the Netflix for gaming I don't think I like that term but I kind of see where Apple's coming from with this because apparently a new service is going to come out that will allow for games to be played via a streaming service now there's there's a reason why I actually kind of like this even though I'm not an Apple user even though I don't use Mac's I can see this being a thing because anyone who does game on the regular can't usually do it on a Macbook streaming is the way to do it so that kind of made sense to me actually well that that's in videos implementation too they did the GeForce now implementation for on the Mac that's one of the great ways of plane is a streaming it's it's where I do believe cloud gaming is gonna be a big big player in the near future specifically with you know triple-a titles new games specifically would kill this don't want to invest in the hardware but yet still want to be able to get a great experience you guys know that Google Google did one right Google has Google stream right now I try to get in I couldn't get in I yeah it's I'm hoping it does actually you know take off at there other than just the initial test that we saw but it would be amazing if we have some kind of a streamlined process that allows us to again like I said it just because not everybody's gonna be buying the the higher-end models and they want to maybe play some really good titles and I feel like streaming and if they can do this game fly of of you know nothing like a custom game file and that is a that's a throwback right there yeah you know Netflix for yelling wait what happened to gameplay oh yeah yeah are you a big gamer Mex as I want to make sure we get max in on this one yeah that's all right no question now why am I always the only one who teaching me things but no I'm completely against gaming on streaming man I I haven't tried it yet I've been hearing some good things though depending on your internet connection obviously yes so my biggest problem is is like I travel a lot and so when is it that I want to play a game more when I'm on a plane and I've got a lot of time to spare and guess what doesn't work it's like you're on a 15 hour flight that China I want to play a couple of games in oh crap they need to connect dammit that yeah I invested in in gaming I would need for an option for offline gaming which not all games do and that's the biggest problem like if there was like a mode where I could still play something offline then great that's my thinking I think Apple's just gonna you know instead of selling individual games will feature you of them in a package you can pay monthly for to play like exclusive titles and stuff you'll be able to download them that's my thinking but then again I'm not a gamer so I don't know or the calculators Odyssey that's it okay the so just brought in an interesting thought that maybe you could download down one of the games and then be able to like have kind of like a steam implementation of it but then of course there might be some sort of DRM on it it has to connect to the internet at some point over the course of let's say three to five days they do that on Android from time to time as well the problem re run oh yeah that's right the problem with that in my estimation is we go back to the original problem on a MacBook it's not easy to get these kinds of games to actually install that's reason why streaming actually circumvents a lot of those problems that you don't have the specs for it you don't have the you don't actually have the OS for it because obviously a lot of these games what I've made for Mac OS exactly you know so that's that's the one that's the wrinkle in all of this I feel like the PlayStation want to do something like that like we have a PlayStation now hmm it does it does work I have the worst internet connection at home for that kind of thing but I have heard from people that it works quite well and I remember trying to use it one time music because they had a PlayStation TV where you could actually stream PlayStation now to it so you office you all of a sudden had like the entire library of ps2 and ps3 games via stream yeah and it's a great idea like I think it is a great idea because especially now that we live in the world of subscriptions and that's one place it should not was or is haven't done in a long time though I still want to get into google stream though I really wanted to try that out okay so from the gaming I don't really have a great second Thank You Jules for the kudos on the segue on that last one but but yeah I don't really have a great segue for this one but I will say it seems as though and I don't think anyone's really surprised by this Android and iOS people are pretty much gonna be staying put in their platforms because release cycles were Hardware starting to elongate a bit there's really no reason to actually change from one platform to the other or really there's not a whole lot of incentive in the - too often and as far as this graph shows as as joules are showing right now a lot people are just kind of staying where they are it's oh that particular graph or anybody who's watching the live right now that's from the consumer consumer intelligence research partners and that graph basically shows that everyone's kind of just sticking where they are people like what they like yeah yeah sure sure I like chirp know I like everybody that I I know people I've got friends and probably you know sometimes we get extra samples with phones or stuff like that and they're they probably have issues like with their phone and I'm like I think I have an extra one that you can borrow while you get your phone or place or something and they're like oh what iPhone is it Oh Hank no it's an Android phone they're like oh but I need a knife like something for like so invested man it's true and I noticed that the less tech-savvy that somebody is the more they they want to not try something else that's not iPhone they probably I think that the galaxy s4 was like the worst introduction to Android because I know a lot of people switch to Android with that galaxy s4 and then they immediately came back I mean well back then there was a much more compelling case for staying away from the if you could man always remember those areas but ok so Jules has a really good question you know we can go a little bit into this I don't want to go too long on this the war of ant war never changes the war between Android and iOS like was it even worth debating if you basically are in your ecosystem and you're never gonna change anyway because now whenever we do versus and we ever whenever we do comparisons between these two ecosystems it's almost as if it's a crusade to get people to come over to our side but you know no one was gonna do that like it doesn't seem like it anymore TK Maxx your thoughts iMessage oh god yeah neither do i and yet you said why I stick to there's a reason why there's always an iPhone either in my bag my pockets there's just it's up social media yep no I agree and Instagram is 10 times better on iOS and is on Android like myself my son is one of those people that will never accept an Android phone he will like it doesn't matter how old the iPhone is you will take that this meme of this like toad and like really it's like all boxy like all 8-bit grounded yeah yeah and this is this is what this is what snapchat looks like on Android I mean they're designed and they're they're first developed on iOS and then they are later ported over it's it's just the way that they're focusing on 90% of their consumer base yeah Instagram snapchat I mean I've seen them at events and the way they talk you but they don't even think I'm going existence now it is fair to say that apps are starting to get better on Android for instance the pixel it's starting to develop more you know better experiences for pixel phones it still doesn't solve the problem though that you know a lot of people they're not buying pixels they're buying Samsung's and LG's or what-have-you so hopefully at some point in the future it gets better but yeah they just need to get prettier that's what we need with the picture I think so yeah there's no I will say like I have noticed significant changes not necessarily just on the pixel when it comes to Instagram on Android it's just like for example boomerangs on iPhones lasts twice as much than they do on any Android phone like the codec for video even if they're using like more of the core video and not just creating like a screen shot like they did before even you will notice stabilization on the iPhone that you won't notice on the pixel you will notice dynamic range on the iPhone and Instagram stories that you won't notice on an Android phone and so it's just God there has to be something they can do like the big duty to fix it because whether we like it or not like of our business is social Matt in our case whether I like it or not I have to be carrying an iPhone it's at any point in the day right right fair enough and like and like you said your your son will not do use anything other than an iPhone I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree [Laughter] and on that note that's it for that I'm just kidding no that's the end no cut it off there we're done you won't be able to come back alright so from from that awesome joke alright we have okay how would you actually feel if there was a phone what the with the Energizer logo on the back Oh what you mean that energize it that makes couple eye cavities that are in my drawer right now the plenty oh yeah like I would find it a little bit disconcerting that that phone is not thick enough to actually hold double-a batteries I want and is why you surprised there was a KFC phone what yeah no your that a Pepsi phone - mm-hmm yes yes I remember that like it depends on your region then you'd be shocked I'm I'm shocked that they haven't made the move seriously mmm go with your best I think the Pepsi phone is still there yeah yeah right yeah I I you know why did you put it on the docket I want to try these phones okay I will do that I will I will absolutely try that phone out no done perfect a user for this Sunday I mean Pepsi's all over the freaking Super Bowl right so the way go Rams anyway the the the energizer phone the one thing that kind of gets me about this article is that energizer known for batteries has nothing to say about the battery it's gonna be three to four thousand million powers that's it yeah and I would just love booting up that phone and it's the bunny you know what I would love I would love to try it out for like a couple of hours and then notice that it has terrible battery life and so you didn't hear the pun it's like it doesn't keep going and going and go what if they said it's a four thousand milliamp hour alkaline yes all right doesn't have a replaceable battery you know what I'm saying I think it's great I don't think that signs are replaceable batteries are coming back yeah I mean oh no they're not put its energizer mm-hmm it just would be the same right yeah yeah like that would be their claim to fame like oh look we stuck with the removal black you can have those they have those two buttons that you press to see what the level is yeah yeah oh my god this is just it's just a reference fest at this point because we're talking about energizer all right that was our new segment for today we do have a couple of big stories to talk about and we're gonna go in and get into our a little break for a second speaking of our break I need a refill this is how you know it's definitely the break yeah hey Sam are a lot PocketNow I know right PN ASMR all right cool so let's there's a siren behind me let's wait for it real quick okay all right the PocketNow weekly is brought to you by triple bite the common app for software engineers if you've been stuck trying to make your resume look nice for that coding job you've always wanted you shouldn't have to go through all the trouble and you shouldn't have to waste hours on take-home projects just to hear no answer from the company you're targeting triple by makes it easy they partner with over 400 companies like Reddit twitch Adobe and others to get you a direct connection you take a quiz to determine your skills and then you do a general interview after that you're just one more interview 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looking at technology news sites because I was super into it I've always loved technology I've always had a fascination with computers and stuff so I started looking at everybody and they're doing uh doing tech news I was like I could just do that so there's a free website builder called Weebly and I just threw together a sort like a makeshift technology website where I could just write about Apple stuff so I started doing that and this people started reading it stuff but people want it more as people do most of the time so I just expanded it to cover a bunch of different topics and technology and stuff like phones laptops basically everything pocket now covers and a lot of other people but I just wanted to put my own spin on it because it's me writing and stuff so it was actually originally called embedded but in 2070 and I changed it to Maitre Docs so I could use embedded as my my media company which is sort of in the process of being built I'm working on that but for now which is maître Docs and it's I've gotten pretty far so I basically just cover phone news like I love like you know if you're gonna throw together a special phone with like two screens on the back or whatever and three or four cameras on the back like I'm gonna write about it so I like all like the interesting stuff in technology and everything so I just like try to have fun with it and stuff I try to pump out as much as I can I've gotten kind of far with it because like I was invited by CES I was elected as a trailblazer like journalists so like they flew me out and stuff I got the cover this year um yeah so you had that ribbon on yeah yeah yeah you had the trip actually I have mine and it's hanging right here at my desk to let everybody else see it as you can see I was a trailblazer cool experience everything but um yeah I'm starting to uh get somewhere and I do I just want to say like I wanted to say this at the opening and I hope I'm not taking up too much time here I just want to thank like you guys for like thinking of me to like come on the podcast especially Jules because I was in contact with him for a CES trail a trailblazer uh a collaboration article that I was doing and I did invite hi may as well because yeah it's alright I mean I you know if you still want to send in your submission by all means go right ahead we haven't updated but I did I met him at the 60 launch remember yeah yeah yeah I was taller than he was but I know and we apologize I mean we we do realize that this is a very crazy show and everything I mean we don't we don't want to we don't I mean it was just it was a pleasure meeting you and I just I wanted to reach out just to see if you were interested but um yeah I did just want to thank you guys because I I've always loved this podcast I've always listened to it every week just trying to adjust my camera here and it's kind of been like a goal of mine to get on it so it's pretty cool that I'm on it now you're definitely welcome back thank you thank you sir appreciate it awesome man well welcome to the show dude and yeah the that's let's go and get to our topics then for this second segment so for our for our in-depth I mentioned at the beginning of the show I was so I'm so flabbergasted by the fact that these stories actually were making it onto my network television news not mine I mean my parents were watching and then it came out and I was really I was really I was really surprised because this whole like this whole thing about Facebook trying to it's a very invasive thing that they were trying to do now whether or not it was actually maybe I'll use the word illegal or perhaps nefarious we can go in and debate on that but but basically what what happened was Facebook was trying to pay actually I'm sorry I shouldn't be talking about when we'll talk about something else when I was something else right now before we get into Facebook sorry about that drills we're talking about why apples revenue tumbled with their new Josas like you can switch the spine it's fine let's talk about Apple first before we get into the Facebook stuff already gearing up for that Facebook conversation where you really okay well we can well let's keep your thoughts in mind because I want everyone to kind of rev up for that one because I think it's gonna be a great discussion for now let's go ahead and expound on apples revenue actually dropping with their first not first but one of their earnings cause of the CRA so all right well we did talk about it a little bit before because there was already a projection that the revenue was going to have dropped now Tim Cook will try to give two really big reasons about it one of them being subsidies from carriers but also I don't remember what the other one was but mainly the fact that the iPhones were supposed to be at a quote unquote great value I think they're blaming China maybe a little bit for an exchange they're the right one Jules think right for an exchange also in develop markets less subsidies but I don't know do you guys all buy it I guess is a question I was looking for dude like if I had to buy my iPhone 10s like if it had to come out of my money I would not I would not it's just the I'm like $1,000 it's like a company model the base Mont yeah for the fans like yeah mom and it's it's like for me if this were me and like dude like imagine in our case like most of us like we like our incomes aren't bad even even with the ability to pay that much money for a phone I wouldn't I have no problem in paying $3,000 for a computer because I get value from it because it serves specific purposes that I test the cheaper computers and can't do the question is what can that phone do that makes it cost so much more money man it's just Apple as I love how this reality the store should just cut up caught up on them I was waiting for it to happen I told you guys when the iPhone 10 came out I'm like I hope that people don't buy it just to prove if people go out crazy and buy it it just gives every other company a reason to raise their prices and that's what happened yeah the other company raised their prices and so it there had to come a point where that that idea had to collapse like in the case of the iPads you know people bought iPads and you know the market when I'm crazy initially and they were affordable and everything and all that was great but then there came a point when people realize that they don't need a different iPad every year yes that's the thing if they're gonna buy a phone for that amount of money they're not gonna upgrade every year it doesn't matter like their iPhone upgrade program only works in the United States they everywhere if they want like I like that upgrade program because you get free you get AppleCare pretty much for free Apple Care Plus if you do the math but it's like god dude that the price was just stupid and if you notice like iPads grew in sales for the first time in like four years Mac's grew in sales significantly in comparison to the past but then iPhones which make up 65% of Apple's income or down 15% and that that was an accident waiting to happen it was just gonna happen yeah and not to not to discredit any of the reasons that Apple or rather Tim Cook are trying to like sort of give here but there are a lot of different reasons being given for the fact that the actual products themselves can't be brought down in price this other story that we have here has to do with screws literally that's the fact that this this very special screw that was supposed to go in sue them at the high Mac Pro either did not they didn't get enough of them or they're too special to be able to be made there were also thoughts about labor costs out in China and even though all of this is is a factor what they were trying to say with the iMac Pro also is that it was supposed to be made in the US so of course that would also make labor costs you know a little bit more extravagant so there are so many reasons are kind of coming out for all Apple products as to why why the prices are so high whether it be carrier subsidies Jules just said in our chat right now that the iPhone 10 are at a Japanese carrier was still going for $1200 Wow so yeah I can learn in a very we're in a very special part of the world in the case that we can actually look at the market from a particular standpoint but we don't have the experience that people in Japan people in Korea people that I don't have but the problem is this in the in the case of Apple then you have companies like Xiaomi who will teach you that if you make so much so here's the thing Apple has an advantage that every other Android OEM doesn't have unless they're based in China and it's called they own the store they get 30 percent cut for anything that's sold in that App Store and so Xiaomi has proven that they can completely remain profitable and make good money by selling phones almost at a cost and making the money from their their software services so one is Apple the problem is not how much it cost the problem is how much they want in how much they want to make out of each product how much profit they want you know Apple really needs to drop their profit projections man like their profit projections are like higher than certain companies in certain countries a external what it would like was their external debt like their profit numbers are crazy stupid well you know and so obviously they look great in front of investors in everything but you know it's just they they either drop their profit margins and accept the fact that they're already making good money out of software services or their this is just getting this a bit bear in mind this is just what quarter number two after the launch can you imagine how quarter three and four are gonna be before the next iPhone yeah for sure okay so we also have oh sorry see this is such a while a while a queue up our next story TK and Max I want to make sure we get your thoughts on these projections so whatever thoughts that you have on Apple's sort of fall from grace perhaps but just in the very least their revenue drops well I can chime in just real quick TK no let me go but personally I just think they made their phones too expensive when all of the rumors that were they were circling before the the tennis was announced I really genuinely thought that we're gonna price the tennis at $8.99 because I thought that would decent starting price and then you get the tennis max for $9.99 that would give I phone ten buyers an incentive to spend another thousand dollars they get a bigger screen I mean somewhat of an incentive I mean it's still not much of an upgrade but regardless like they would at least get a bigger screen a bigger battery but I think they just set themselves up for disaster I mean they keep charging more and more for their phones I'm sure they realize that they have to charge less in order to convince people to buy them but for some reason they're just not doing that and I don't understand why but go ahead TK I know I'm with you I think the they reach for the sky approach that we've been going year after year ever since last year with the first thousand-dollar phone and now we obviously see more and more people following to hymies point as well yeah when when people buy it you're validating their assumption but the reality is a 799 it's not an affordable phone the 10r right now is free you can get it actually included in a plan because that that's the way to get it to go I think the market will normalize I think realistically you're right that you know JB in the US we are in that certain subsidy area I mean I love being on jump on the man to be able to afford go with $100 phone because I'm not gonna pay $1200 for the same behind me said it's just too expensive but I lease my phone and I jump from one phone to another and that just justifies it for me so I hope I hope this is a good learning experience at that where they can actually start normalizing a little bit realizing we've gone too far we need to just adjust it and keep our market our market share where is there's no way for them to take over the entire market Android is already strong enough this is something they need to kind of just the numbers will make them realize it well I'm a touched upon the fact that expectations from Apple themselves need to be measured but it seems that the entire market also might need to reevaluate their expectations because it seems that it seems that there were a lot of analysts out there who were overcorrecting maybe the hype for the iPhones were still very very high and the thing is that kind of sustainability that that guy that kind of hype is not sustainable year year year year after year and this year that proved to be the case so any other thing like I was I was recently immediate that cut quarters a couple of months ago and for me it was really interesting that there is still a huge there's a billion their mentality is like we're working for the next billion the next million users that are not in the United States they're in India and in Africa these people like right now the idea is to get as many people connected as possible and so a lot of companies are not even investing they're not even going crazy over what Apple's going for and the problem is like they're our country's going through recessions right now like you mean China's economy is not at its best so what exactly was Apple expecting I I thought that the iPhone 10 was gonna be like all right it's been 10 years we spent so much in R&D and just like in the first iPhone this phone was $500 was a two-year contract you guys remember what the first iPhone was what did they do that was actually if you if you look into the history the first generation iPhone was only costing that for like four months that was the launch was in June like the announcement was in January the launch was in June by the music events in September they dropped the price to 399 puts it 400 yeah okay and then for the launch and they killed the four gigabyte model they sticked only to the a gigabyte model for $4.99 plus a two-year contract and then by the launch of the iPhone 3G they won - - it was one that was it 199 or $2.99 was it - your contract DK it was the 199 with the three or the two-year contract that was yeah I get it you invested so much in R&D the first phone had to be expensive fine but there was no reason for the iPhone for us to be just as expensive I feel that Apple was like all right you know what let's just keep the iPhone eight which is a good phone I actually recommend the iPhone eight let's launch the 10r but it's just they they I love that this is happening honestly I'm sorry but I have to say it I love that this happening because this is what's gonna teach companies come on guys come on fair enough and just to give one last note on that final piece or the most recent one that last piece that the projection is that for the second half of this year things are gonna get better because you have things like summer discounts and all these deals but the thing is this is such a complicated issue for Apple and also for just consumers in general because like we said earlier we are probably the ones who will get those kinds of discounts in a heavily subsidized area of the world meanwhile in places like Asia India all those other places there may not even be those kinds of deals so it's still gonna be the same problem even with those projected increases in revenue that's one problem and the other problem is that because Apple has decided to not provide numbers of how many products they've sold only revenue this is coming back to bite them because obviously if they provide these discounts if you do the math and you look at how much Apple has sold when it comes to the iPhone sales obviously there is this like hype there's a spike during the third quarter because of the because of the iPhone and then there's others a natural drop because the Mahr there are new phones coming out the product is on its its arm is slow into the cycle during the low end of the cycle it's not like if like the numbers are already there of the amount of people that buy so that numbers not gonna change they're just gonna make less money out of those phones because of the discounts if they do accept to do the discount so it's it's I don't think it's gonna happen analysts have been proven to be completely wrong with the iPhones in it yeah well let's see how the adjustments actually happen okay so we have one final one I love that Jaime is so fired up I'm gonna start with max on this one max Facebook Facebook approaches you says we're gonna pay you a little bit of money every single month all you got to do all you got to do is install this particular app that we want you to install and just use it just use it every month and we will give you in this case that's as $20 a month that was back in 2016 let's say now you find out or rather even though you opted into this app and you know that it was tracking your data now it's a big deal how do you react to that kind of thing probably with anger resentment towards Facebook which was probably resultant to me deleting the app from my phone and Facebook as a whole yeah yeah we all but guys I was just gonna say that's exactly what we're talking about here so this is the story I was talking about that actually made it on to network television it actually made it onto a lot of newspapers and publications tenkara TechCrunch rather reported that since 2016 the company was distributing a data sucking VPN look at that that oxy amor I like that in the form of a Facebook research app for both major phone platforms Android and iOS so what they were told what Facebook was telling people was that they were recruiting users aged 13 to 35 to join it was an opt-in type of deal and they were being paid $20 a month to use the app here's the thing it was tracking every little thing you did on your phone it was tracking your data inside and out and Apple caught wins not only did they catch wind of it they actually took that VPN off of their App Store and I'll just go ahead and mention these two things real quick they actually disabled all of its internal applications for employees who actually work at Apple who could have potentially gotten into this VPN program obviously we have companies like Apple and Google who track already because you're an employee if there's everything that's happening you don't want anybody else to be tracking the same exact stuff unreleased applications under audition in bar communications exactly embargo and NDA's so Apple not only did that for their internal applications they also did they also did so for Google applications but very recently they did bring back the certificate for Google applications on their on their platform so I think right now my main question is in terms of privacy and I don't even have an actual question I just want to know if all of you are what your reactions are to this and the fact that it became such a hot story such a big story that affected kind of everybody in a way because now we're seeing that a big company like Facebook who has already had such problems it's still doing crap it's still doing this kind of stuff it's it's just it's very it's the same reaction I mean when you think about the fact that yeah exactly it's you do you don't know what you're getting into even though you thought you're getting into something simple it's not just standard and there's just the implications because then you're like trying to remember like what did I talk about what kind of information that I have on my system at a time and specifically if you use your phone at work exactly Apple and Google would both be very very upset if some leaks could have happened during that time so I think it's the amount of ways that Google that Facebook has to be able actually collect data on us not only through Facebook through Instagram now it bugs me you know when I get notifications in my Instagram application for my you know Facebook notification so that to me is just the reach so it's always surprising to see how far would they go but there's not being you know upfront about the fact that what that they're tracking way more it's I mean even with permissions they you know users should have been aware what they're opting what they're giving up for that 20 bucks a month and I think Facebook was actually saying that they made their users aware of it they were never secretive about the fact that it was actually tracking data that was on the phone but you know when you think about the general consumer number one they're being paid to use an app you're probably gonna say yes to that number two do you ever actually when you go into the Play Store for example or even the App Store and you press install and that horse feel comes up that says you know all the things that it does do you actually even read it and like you know it kind of plays in my opinion this is the reason I'm a little bit upset about it it plays upon the naivete of the general consumer and also it's not that Facebook was being secretive about the fact that attract data they found a way around a couple of the certificates in the Apple App Store so the the the thing is that it actually broke the rules of apples tos because because all applications are supposed to have certificates and are supposed to have private privacy policies those certificates are limited if you're a developer you have a limited amount because that you can distribute and so that's the thing it's it's it's not alright all I can say about this whole Facebook thing is I think the correct word that you mentioned originally is nefarious it's just like yes you did disclose it yes you did tell it but why like it like I I don't think that there had that there's proof of more desperate company I think the word is desperate than Facebook like it's it's crazy the amount of stupidity like I I've been wanting to kill Facebook for the longest time because it's literally gossip central enough in Latin America that's just the way it is but it's just it's it's sad to see that they are willing to ask consumers to be part of something like this right like are you really that desperate are you really that needy or your developers and your engineers so inept that they are not able to figure these things out on their own they have to get consumers to provide their private data photography their messaging like seriously you need that you guys can't do a better job that that's the way I see it I honestly am I don't think I think the word is pissed it's just I'm so happy like for example my son does not use Facebook I love that a lot of the you know a lot of the newer generation Millennials don't use Facebook I love that they don't I'm just right now I'm really sad that they also own Instagram and whatsapp yeah that's because those are two services that were great before Facebook and that I've chosen to continue using just because like for example they they kept a lot of their leadership and so these apps continued on they're on their way of being but oh my god man I don't know honestly I I don't I don't recommend people use the service anymore it's terrible well how about this how about this wrinkle in the story and max I want to get your thoughts on both Facebook and this next part apparently Google was doing something similar yeah though ridiculous yeah so Google apparently was kind of skirting these certificates these enterprise certificates and even though Apple and Google have started to work together to figure out how to fix that kind of thing Google also said themselves that you know we we it was a mistake for us to kind of you know not adhere to the tos to the energy to Apple's enterprise program but the app has been disabled and we're working with Apple to like fix where those mistakes occurred we've also been very upfront with users about the way that we use their data from this act the thing is like yeah Google is kind of doing the same thing well apples Apple for once is sort of policing these kinds of things but max thoughts from you about this whole privacy issue so first of all I think it's completely insane that both Google and Facebook even considered building an app that would install the certificate on your phone that they they had to know it was in violation of Apple's Terms of Service right I mean am I am I the only one here that doesn't you know that thinks that way or you have to build the app like that's right build the app of course you know that it either violates or doesn't they can't argue ignorant come on man yeah but the thing is this is not an isolated incident there are people figuring out that apps like Amazon doordash Sano's they have the same certificate issue so it's not it's not really an isolated event so I'm not I'm not trying to say that the producers of the apps have like they were negligent or anything like that but in the way it's kind of possible don't you think yeah it's no it's absolutely it's the whole thing just kind of bewildered me because know what why would what do they need the apps in the first place like why do they need all this data like they just whenever like a privacy spill or whatever you know a data leak when I have you whatever something like that happens I'm like what are you guys leaking you're leaking photos and videos and stuff that you know dumb people around Facebook have uploaded so it just if people there's me why they need all this information on you in the first place just as go and build an app that they know is a violation Apple's Terms of Service to build that and ask people hey we'll pay you if you've installed us on your phone so we can collect this data like what are you going to use this data for anyway yeah that's always been that's always been my my stance when it comes to this kind of stuff like it's one thing to opt-in to have your data tracked what I want to know is what you're going to use it for and that's almost never answer that questions almost never answered like oh no it's not like the last your permission that's why you know both Google and Apple they're improving the way that app ask you permission to like use your location he was a bunch of different sensors on your phone use your camera like I thought it was interesting that Marquez did a marques Brownlee mkbhd if you don't already know for some reason he did a video well you know when he did a video on the V zone X I think it's called the V bone X right with a the pop up camera yeah okay so yeah well I think this was a good representation of how on private Facebook is whenever you would open up the Facebook app on the phone the yes if you go to whatever video what is our I guess you have to scroll back probably a year I guess it's been a year since then but if you go it's like a few minutes into the video he says oh and also if you open up the Facebook app the camera starts popping up so it just that makes you concerned about your privacy and then just moves on but I think that goes to show you you know just what Facebook wants to do with your phone and how much data wants to collect from you so like even if you don't deliberately take a selfie you're kind of giving facebook selfies every time you open up the app it's like a shutter button yeah pretty much I should have the we should we should all test that out I think most of us in this chat right now have defined X we should try it out with it I don't have it with me right now I'll have it next I don't have a period yeah well I'll bust mine now because I'm using it for a piece that I'm that I'm filming a little bit later after this cast after lunch rather but yeah the that's I always go back to the same thing like you know there are some answers to what this data is being used for and of course that's targeted ads that's targeted marketing stuff like that that's they already do which they already do so they keep in mind it's not like they're lacking on the data point there exactly so they do that already and we all have those stories where Facebook is already tracking you in certain ways or Google is tracking in certain ways and that's the reason why if I say the word meditation once all of a sudden on my Instagram app I have products for meditation and it's like it's everywhere it's creepy right it is creepy but at the same time if you have the knowledge of knowing that that's the reason why they're using and if that's the only reason I would actually kind of be okay with it surely you're aware of Rob you're aware its technologists not it's not being done in the background and you know exactly like you said it's just knowing you can up for something as long as you know what you're opting for not just the blank statement carte blanche come in and do whatever you want all right but like it's it what I'm okay with is the stuff that they show on the surface so when you install an app it asks you can I use your location can I use your your contacts all that kind of stuff there's stuff you see on the surface that they ask permission for I'm okay with that I'm trying to figure out why you need to install the certificate on my phone what other data you're gonna record because you've already shown me a bunch of stuff in prompts before I open up the app for the first time so what else do you need from me and that you're gonna pay me $20 a month for yeah that's that's what's crazy to me now there was a term that various comes from because I'm just like yes there's no but yeah exactly there's no better way of knowing that somebody doesn't like this there's no better way of knowing that someone has like weird intentions in mind and when they pay you trust me bro it'll be fine bro it took exactly yeah it's like somebody it's a it's like somebody asking me to like co-sign a car for them I'm like what are you talking about like thank you five hundred bucks like no like do that I'm good for it man I'm good for it just sign on the bye payment I'm sorry guys I'm going through my privacy settings just to make sure that my camera's not active on Facebook like what like no and you know what it's funny cuz like you were telling us about this during CES I me that you wanted to kill Facebook for good and that's through and what I found funny is that you still wanted well you found it funny too is that you want to kill Facebook where you still using whatsapp and that's like your number one app but yeah but the thing about it is like in in Latin America we don't use text messaging like at all like zero nobody you get texts from like shoot like whatsapp is the text messaging service your period it's also in Europe and so obviously I've been using whatsapp since it was whatsapp since it didn't belong to Facebook and so call that like just like people say oh I message for iPhone okay whatsapp is like a very big deal breaker not just for me like how else would I communicate with people here that's the problem yeah fair this is something that will bring up in another show potentially Sochi if we do a deep dive into this kind of privacy stuff but again we talked a little bit earlier about how we live in a very specific part of the world where things like privacy things like even carrier subsidies are a thing and not so much everywhere else I present Exhibit A of what this kind of future might look like we chat we check controls everything in in technological China and everyone there you opt-in by installing that app but everyone can't live without it it does everything from sending sending in your your money to other people to actually paying for things in stores like when ISA and I were in Shenzhen one time we were using WeChat to communicate with our friends who are there but then we actually went to a place to buy tea and we paid for using WeChat like this is probably the that is probably the future that some of these companies are looking for to actually have that kind of control over it and one of the things that worries me is that I think that the app that is closest to achieving that is Instagram or whatsapp like I think that these are the two apps have the most potential to become WeChat yeah Jools just brought up even I mean even darker is this black mayor office on China is testing a Social Credit System with constant monitoring of its system of its yeah I read about that part yeah no no exactly judging and grading and reading other people's social stature and their trustworthiness their credit worthiness it's like wow okay yeah having other people judge you yeah and then one of our one of our chat comments sorry that we haven't been in the chat more this has been one hell of a show these are all deep fakes from cotton these are all deep fakes none of these faces are real yeah that's the I don't know if anybody has even like dived into the world of deep fakes yet that could also be something that Facebook is trying to use that's why the camera comes out they want to get more of their ego and started deep faking you you know like we being public figures all of us we probably I don't know Jaime I'm pretty sure you might have but like have you ever had like an account on Facebook tried to impersonate you I have I haven't Twitter okay Twitter I had on Facebook it was super creepy and imagine if the deep fake like stuff actually happened on that on that so it's actually really convincing so all this is so crazy and it opens up a whole Pandora's box of like implications and whatnot and I'm trying to figure out how to wrap this without without it being so depressing it's Friday happy Friday people it's true TGIF everybody go get some ribs at your favorite restaurant I'm here like you you know as you mentioned before you know it's it's a good time spend some time with the family even if you don't celebrate Chinese New Year it's a great time to do so yeah upload all your photos on so we chat and Facebook yeah oh then you're good no I heard good stuff there's no way yeah there's there's just no way out and on that I've been watching a lot of the Grand Tour on on Amazon recently and the way that they end on that massive disappointment that's it for our theme music is bloom by Minerva courtesy of a royalty-free license with our ago Fox you can learn more in this episode's description follow our crew on Twitter as long as you know it's the real people on Twitter or not these deep fakes our producer Jules Wong is at point Jules TK is that I love this one TK DSL 8 6 5 5 hi mate is that Jaime underscore Rivera max is at I love this one sue legendary scoop I love that that's such a cold such a cool handle thank you and I am of course JV tech T you know me I love tech and I love to drink me some tea vodka now is that pocket now on twitter facebook Instagram and YouTube in English and espanol where you can find more news on the pocket no 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