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I wonder if I can do like an old person voice for this one gather back around children again the big trucks have dropped off boxes with a bunch of apples in them it's ripe season for that now we sound like some sort of wizard it's ripe season for those new iPhones and Apple watches and we're about to take our first bite well not me personally mine has not come in yet because well the rest of our guys are on the East Coast where delivery trucks have been earlier than they have been here for me in the West Coast but before we have our dessert we've got dinner a smorgasbord of new things to talk about Amazon's new echo speakers and an Alexa powered microwave a oneplus television set is included a Bigsby key that will never not work and the galaxy note 9 that has that key and a problem with temperature Oh a note up in smoke here we go again hello everyone and welcome to episode number three to four of the weekly brought to you by pocket now and xda-developers on this day Friday the 21st of September 2018 from phones tablets smartwatches microwaves yeah we're talking about smart Mike microwaves now let's go ahead and get talking about all the things that you wanted when you were a kid let's get chatting I'm your host with not quite the iPhone 10's max not yet it is up for delivery right now I am watching the UPS tracking like like a hawk right now I'm just waiting for it to come in but then I got to drive all the way back home to grab it anyway but it's Joshua for Gaara what's going on everybody and today we are joined by Brandon minimun who joins us with his own you actually have it in your hands the oh that's a huge looking doesn't this look excessive see what I did there so how is that fun treating you right now like how many hours have you even had it for her so far um like three but like half of that time it was setting up and downloading my apps and data so okay yeah the setup is something that I'm kind of I'm not really I don't know I'm I'm not super excited about the iPhone coming in I'm excited because it's a new piece of technology and I'm really excited to like you know play around with it and see what it's like but I've never really had an iPhone for a long period of time so I'm gonna be downloading everything fresh everything's gonna be new to me so I don't know getting to know a new ecosystem it's gonna be interesting for me well that's good you're starting from scratch it'll be nice and fast well that's true that's true well we'll see yeah we'll see how it goes I'm not the biggest proponent of fullscreen gestures or huge phones so this is good a view next this is gonna be an extra an extra journey for me and also we are going to be joined by Jaime Rivera who also has the iPhone 10s not the Macs as Brandon and I will have but he will have an Apple watch series for I he'll be coming in in a few minutes and we'll be talking about that a little bit now I just want to give one quick shot I want to make sure that we give Jules his due he is in the producers booth still but he's kind of in under the weather for a little bit so he won't be chiming in much on this particular podcast but shouts out to Jules still in the producers booth all right let's go ahead and jump into our stories and our first story for today is uh well it's a little okay trigger warning for anyone who had a note seven as it seems with the galaxy note 9 which I have mine just sitting right on my table right now apparently this is still it might still be a bit of a dangerous piece of kid to have because a New York woman has launched a lawsuit against Samsung after her note 9 got extremely hot and started to emit black smoke while she was in an elevator where she panicked and kicked the phone as far as she could the moment those elevator doors opened now this particular phone the Galaxy Note 9 does have a four thousand milliamp hour battery and it's it's the largest of any galaxy device or at least in the note series and that comes after the 3300 milliamp hour battery of the note 8 switch they did bring down in capacity after all of the debacles that happens with a note 7 which had a 3500 milliamp hour battery and ever since the note 7 samsung has said that they have so many checks and balances in place now when it comes to their battery manufacturing but maybe maybe that's not quite the case this is one instance Brandon but do you feel scared about the note 9 after hearing this story no in fact I would like to see proof and witnesses that this actually happened it sounds on a strange you know it happened in an elevator where no one can see you know true other there are cameras in that elevator we should get that footage right can we make that happen I'd love to see the XDA in pocket now doing their investigative journalism I would love that actually why don't we call this we should call this hotel and see if we can get that that that video or maybe the maybe someone's going to unearth it but yeah there's a multi-stage battery check process for all of its devices but can processes like that actually be perfect I would venture to say no there's always going to be a couple of there's always going to be a couple that kind of fall through the cracks also this particular hotel was in Bayside Queens apparently so it was reported by the New York Post so that makes sense but like not every process is perfect if one slips through the cracks is this that big a deal I guess not I mean there's a there's like a small percentage of phones that are defective in certain ways like the screen doesn't work or the battery I mean it's it's dangerous with the battery has a problem with heat and you know catches on fire but like there's a deef there's a percent defect for the entire phone and someone's got to have the you know the point of 1% yeah the battery problem I think it's just a coincidence I mean like everyone remembers what happened with the note seven and you know they're just you know that that wouldn't be the craziest thing ever if the note 9 or the note 8 had the same problem I mean it's the same company and they've put certain checks and balances in place to avoid it but if any company is going to be victim to this it will be Samsung have you had have has your note 9 ever gotten like super hot in your usage so far no but it's got the liquid cooled whatever yeah it's kind of ironic right that there's a cooling system in there and yet the issue here is that it became extremely extremely hot I actually have a story about that my girlfriend who's in my office right now working on her side of things ISA Rodriguez of gadget match she's she's writing right now using my using my noise-canceling headphones so she can't even hear me anyway her phone is an XO no spurgeon of the note 9 and when we were in Cabo I was on vacation for the past week when we were in Cabo San Lucas the phone was constantly getting really hot like uncomfortably hot nothing bad happened but she does admit that two things were happening number one the the phone was getting hot which is kind of weird but I told her that the cooling should be keeping it performing well enough even if it's getting warm and sure enough the phone still purrs like performed pretty well number two her battery life has not been great on the Exynos version compared to my Snapdragon edition so I don't know I don't know maybe we can investigate a little bit further but clearly her phone is the Exynos one and I don't know maybe there's something there's something different going on there so that's surprising maybe there's some background process that's you know running in the background using RAM and CPU cycles perhaps so and one of those background processes is one that we all kind of okay there's it's not to say that it's a bad service it's just not one that many of us really use I'm talking of course about big speed so there was a story that we covered on this this very show I think it was maybe two maybe three weeks ago where somebody out in Germany if I remember correctly said that they tweet it out to Samsung that like please stop the big speed button please please stop it from just give me give me the option to disable it please and Samsung Germany said that they would look into it well as far as as far as that would be concerned and update might be coming a little bit later this month but as of right now it looks like the Bigsby button is never not going to be triggering Bixby they're just going to make it so that it might be just a tiny bit maybe 1% harder for you to trigger it because this hilarious photo honestly I love this Jules wrote this article this hilarious photo shows Bigsby keys select how to open Bixby with the Bigsby key press wants to open Bigsby press twice to open Bigsby pressing and holding the Bigsby key will always open Bigsby voice that's one two three four five six seven references to the word Bigsby in one screen Samsung's trying really hard but they're trying to appease their their their customers just enough to shut them up I feel like um at the wrong time I feel of course yeah oh you came in at just the perfect time talk about better things to talk about why resale which I do because I want to sell my note 9 eventually I would I would cut off the big squeaky which I'm very close to doing you just take a razor and just shave it off and then it's completely flush with the with the side rails and you probably never press it again just I just wish he's the expert was fine perfect I just wanted to be contextual I wish it was okay if you want this thing if you want this button to be about smart whatever a smart assistance in your phone make it smarter than if I'm in the camera app don't let it do anything because I constantly okay so kind of a peek behind the veil Here I am rocking a obviously my no.9 as my as my daily but I actually have an early look at the moment case for it so I used the moment lenses on my vacation last week in Cabo so you can look forward to that but I use this for vlogging for most of my trip so what I do is I put the wide-angle on here and I turn it around and I always hit the volume down button in order to trigger video recording so that's a really easy way of vlogging which is awesome and I like using the rear camera for vlogging in that case but every now and then I hit the Bigsby button and then I got a come back and go away Bigsby and go back to it why not give me an option just in the camera app just give me this in the camera app that the Bigsby button can trigger video recording and the volume down button can be a photo just give me that just just give me that and I will give you all the faith in the world that you're not trying to shove Bixby down our throats it's so simple or while watching a video or somebody give you like a white list of apps you know yeah exactly or if I'm listening to music and I accidentally hit it like be contextual be smarter Bigsby that's all I want out of it but that is our story on Bigsby at least for this week I don't know if we're gonna get more about it but Samsung did say an update will come later this month this potentially will probably be where it ends but we'll see what the update does later on hi may came in at the perfect time because our next story is about his new toy the Apple Wow the one that I'm actually setting up because you guys are talking about something I don't like do we have a clock over how much time we spent on Bixby I heard my best not to go too far but that camera one was in real-life scenario that Samsung is just to give you an idea how much we would prefer a camera key yeah like you know for seeing something that just I mean Bixby was fine with the no date it became terrible with the with the note 9 I don't know why it's something about it I'm not sure um okay so in the note night it's full screen whereas in the note 8 it was just kind of like kind of like on the bottom of the screen no it's just it's just predictions predictions on Bixby like went downhill with the note 9 oh come on I'm not talking to you well our next story has to do with one of okay so if you've been listening to the podcast for the last two weeks you know that Jaime has a lot of opinions on the Apple watch and now we are talking about the series for who's one of its main claims to potential fame is the fact that it can do ECG readings however despite being FDA approved apparently it is only it only has an accuracy rate of 98% which means that it could it could be potentially unreliable yeah but there's not even enabled right now so oh really isn't oh no it's that apparently though there will be a software update later and once that happens we'll see okay no well potentially the well apparently the FDA approval happened literally the day before the announcement so there's some speculation that Apple just like just barely made it work but which is funny to me because they were able to make it work so they could talk about it on stage and yet it's still not available so clearly there are kinks to be worked out that's exactly the point they made it just available and just approved by the FDA so they could mention it at the keynote yeah and yeah there you go Jules with the with the reminder the American Heart Association representative that was on stage as well I barely i barely was able to catch most of the keynote because i was at an airport getting ready to go to cabo but lisa and i were were watching the the keynote from my phone from my note 9 of all things and we i thought that and I thought that was impossible what browser did you use because it doesn't like Twitter Twitter reaches every phone let's just say that there was a whole section of Twitter that was dedicated to just the Apple event so if you search for a hashtag Apple event there was a feed at the top of just the keynote and yeah we had a lot of I wanted us to vlog about our opinions of the keynote but we didn't catch most of it so and plus we were supposed to be on vacation so whatever but in any case you still use so I've been watching if you look at Jaime Rivera's Instagram and his story is he's constantly using at this point the galaxy watch for workouts and whatnot are you looking forward to using the Apple watch series for for your workouts and everything I'm actually looking forward to going back to an Apple watch for workouts to be fully honest I the galaxy watch is a very beautiful looking watch I would say far superior to any other watch when it comes to looks it's just God the you know once you go on a run on a treadmill and it doesn't calculate your pace you're like really like it's it's just the mathematical equation between the pedometer the amount of steps per minute and then you just divide that and you get how much what your what your speed is yeah and then you have to use third-party applications so I tried map my run now that that wasn't great I tried a couple of other solutions you know and these were actually comments comments of people recommending try this try that all great recommendations but sadly you know once you you put them to the test no or they would kill the battery life or the like again this is a very beautiful watch but it it needs work like for example I don't know if you've if if you've noticed any other people complaining I noticed people have praised them but I'm like okay how much have you actually used that your fitness so I actually need to use lose weight so I'm been I've been actively trying it out and so you're halfway through your run and the heart rate is no longer working it doesn't find you and so it keeps recommending it keeps recommending that you pull the watch back but then the watch is so heavy then there's just no way if you're doing this with your this your running it will slide from there at some yeah so it's supposed to be past that like little bone thing right like this yeah right here so they they actually want it to be all the way at the back oh you know part of my review I've been you know putting together clips as I've been training just to you know created enough database to be like I used that for these amount of days these amount of trainings and this is what I got and you know most of the time I'm even even if I'm spinning on the bike like it'll lose our great and then for example one thing that's very accurate is GPS like it's funny because it'll tell you that you're you this is the amount of miles that you're running and and it's like completely off but then by the time you reach one mile it knows that it's one mile oh so the indicators bad but then the the information you know at least you get the mileage correct so that's you know on par with even an iPhone connected you know side by side doing testing which is what I've been doing all that's been fine but then these kinds of things you know just that one that's one thing I don't like the other thing is risk detection oh my god like dear Samsung if I do this with my watch you know what I want to do you know exactly what I'm trying to do right there order pizza you know I'm not I really don't care I'm not looking at it because I want to look at the rotating bezel I actually want to look not just at the time so I've noticed a little trick first of all of you use metallic bands risk detection is not as good I recommend you use either a leather band or the silicon bands included that's just the metal bands too loose and it like doesn't turn as quickly could be that's one thing then the second thing is my advice whether you like it or not switch the always-on display not just because of because you're gonna be able to see your time but because for some reason wrist detection works better with the always-on display active hmm yeah yeah well I I I'm still waiting for my 42 millimeter to come in so I'm you're not missing out on much it's worthwhile to finally look at like what Samsung is doing especially since we just came back from the snapdragon 3100 or we're doing and then of course we have the Apple watch for so it's a word it's worth it to look at all the smart watches and see where they're coming right now so definitely yeah so Apple just had their big announcements obviously the the Apple watch for all everyone's getting their iPhones today but not to be outdone Amazon has gone ahead and had their own event as well and I was watching a few one of our buddies Andrew Edwards was at the event in Seattle and Wow I mean exactly it looked like a lot of fun actually um but what I was invited I don't know Andrew it was it was Andrew I think yeah Andrew and Andrew yeah so yeah the the event looked kind of fun it was very Amazon like if you want to put it that way but it just looked really trendy and hip and all that and then it had a very Amazon look to it and then everything at the event where all of these products that they announced not only is there a not only are there going to be new designs and refreshes for the echo dot in the echo plus and also the echo show which now has a 10 inch display two inch drivers for a better audio a five megapixel camera and integrations with more services like Hulu and NBC there are also a lot of these other products that they're bringing out that are supposed to be considered either Amazon basics or even more connected to the to the echo ecosystem so one thing that I thought was pretty cool was the echo wall clock it's a good looking clock right and it's only 30 bucks yeah yeah like I'm trying to member who it was was it was it the verge that said Amazon's trying to be like IKEA now and I was like that's kind of I like that I like that by comparison because now you also have you even have this car plug-in that is the echo Auto it's going to be this new thing that you put on your dash and just kind of connects to your to your car and you know the would you want to have Alexa in your car as compared to like Android auto or I know car place terrible I love an Android auto yeah Android I was like I love that thing to death that is just so cool I feel the user interface is probably the best yeah that's not that's one thing I'm really not looking forward to when I get my iPhone connecting into my car because car play is just horrendous but that's the reason why I carry two phones like you know and the cool thing is that you know the dashboard of my car accepts both either car play or auto so for me that's that's perfect where do you post I go right oh yeah I was gonna say I I thought the Alexa thing for the car was a great opportunity except that you have to connect it to your phone and connect your phone to the car for it to work properly I thought they were gonna do in like an LTE modem inside of that car thing that would be really cool is anyone on this panel an avid Alexa user no I you I have one in every single room I use it so much it's crazy and what do you use it for ordered diapers for this ordered diapers for that oh my god I use it for everything just so many things I use it to find out what the commute is to work because it knows where I work I use it to turn on and off the TV because I have one of those Logitech Smart remotes because my kids always forget TV I used to turn on and on on and off lights I can use it to lock and unlock my front door of course I use it for the weather for questions I have nest cameras all over the place so I can say Alexa show me the front door camera should I keep going I use it for everything well now you're gonna be able to use it for even more things because Amazon has also brought on Amazon basics smart plug so if you've been using like tp-link or lifx or what are the other ones Belkin the Wemo there you go the we know ones like there's a bunch of smart plugs out there and this one is priced pretty similarly at only $25 so it's not I mean if you're an Alexa person then cool that would be totally so my biggest problem with adopting like smart lights and everything it's just how much do you want for the damn light bulb thing like what it's a closed ecosystem so Philip stops updating the hew firmware your lights don't work and you just spent five hundred dollars on light bulbs exactly I just I um I'm sorry you know deer companies uh you know it's funny because I know that I can reach out to certain companies and I could get these things free but you know just from the consumer standpoint these are all really cool ideas that are just too expensive it's just too much money guys like really it's like I think it was like $80 for like a socket to - from one lightbulb I'm like no no well before we before we move on I wanted to end with a hot take on the microwave so do you guys that you can wake up in the morning and say Alexa good morning and then it will start heating up your pre-made coffee which will probably taste terrible reheated anybody got more of my growers stories okay so the microwave the microwaves thing is so stupid and it's very clear what Amazon do here's why it's stupid listen the microwave doesn't have Alexa built-in it's just as a Wi-Fi chip so you have to you have to say Alexa turn on the microwave to heat my coffee guess what's faster you roll up to your microwave you press one or two for one minute or two minutes you know exactly what's gonna happen after this they're gonna start putting Alexa in multiple appliances so that you can talk to your echo to do certain things on your appliances it's just but the question is can you do it from your bedroom to the coffee machine that's downstairs in the kitchen I don't know of any coffee maker that will turn on I mean that's what the smart plug is for yeah but like if you turn it on like you still have to press the button yeah you have to go control and say what you want yeah exactly okay so you're to wait a second so you're telling me that Alexa is not going to put your coffee or whatever it is that you're gonna heat in the microwave it's not going to be in there already saying on our check can Alexa bring you your coffee now again one be right it's it is kind of dumb but it is the beginning of what could be a pretty pretty big amazonbasics ecosystem so as hard my office is mostly IKEA if that can become IKEA Plus Amazon I'm okay with that like if they can if they can make the ecosystem actually work well then that's all I'm saying speaking of speaking of bigger ecosystems apparently oneplus is looking to expand out of smartphones now they have a bunch of other things as well but when I first was working with oneplus what the oneplus 2 I believe they did say that they wanted to be a lifestyle brand in a long term so they gave me a bunch of like desk organizers with the oneplus logo on it and like the backpacks everyone works the backpacks in the tech industry so definitely this push now there's gonna be a much bigger push because they want to go into the home as one plus is looking to launch something called the oneplus TV so I'm confused like what is it like is it television likely a CO or a television live as a television service is likely no no don't jinx oneplus with the term lis eco please but yes they are looking to expand into the home because as far as their they are concerned let me look up the quote real quick okay here we go for most of us there are four major environments we experience every single day the home the workplace to commute and being on the move the home perhaps the most important environment experience is starting to enjoy the benefits of intelligent connectivity that's exactly what they are looking to add to with that so what the oneplus TV they're trying to bring the best of all worlds the TV having seamless connectivity between your smartphone and itself and also having AI smarts I love that they use AI smarts the type of AI smart sensor that in their everything smarts yeah here's my my hot take on this it's quite simple oxygen OS on an Android enabled television win-win oxygen OS is the cleanest Android interface still makes the oneplus 6 one of the most enjoyable phones to use and I would love to see that on a 1 plus TV but Android TV is super clean especially like on an Nvidia shield where it's super fast have you used that it's just so even I have a shield TV and I agree with you there but it's great to see that and then one plus bring oxygen to the TV I just you know it's a win-win so I I like that a lot honestly I hope that doesn't take away resources from their phones because I love their phones and it would be really a shame if they put all of their time and effort into the TV which is going to take a lot of research and development in fact development and they kind of neglected their phones a little bit put a in display fingerprint reader on the TV is it just me or can I can I consider the fact that one plus there there are a lot of things that oneplus admires about Apple and they've been they've been clear about it they've expressed it at their events but I think that one of the things that I love the most about one plus that they follow from Apple is that they behave like a start-up they start something they perfect it they get really good at it then they move into something else and so I I love that about one plus I love that they continuously refine and refine and refine but they keep it simple as far as possibly tried a second phone with the with the Oppo Oppo sorry though the one was X then then they were like no that wasn't a good idea and they you know they stuck to just one thing and so they've been evolving into other things like and have you used their merch by the way like their backpacks and it's like alright like their notepads are I use them you know and so I think that it's I think that I wouldn't mind one plus to experiment with something like televisions I mean we've got TCL we've got so many companies why not like I think that they it was so long as they right now they're doing phones and they've come to the point where their phones are popular and so they're just moving into other ecosystems but slowly one by one I think that that is genius I love that they haven't come up with the oneplus watch for example I wouldn't care I think you know I think that they they're focusing on things that are actually like TV the TV business is booming like obviously ak's is the thing now whatever that is whatever that is you know okay IKS that you think so they're probably gonna jump into 4k and just come up with like a really affordable 4k TV like if they come up with something like that and battle TCL I think that that's a good thing and you've got to see how they're now using their own panels from the technology that they learn from TCL into their phones and so why not one plus I mean I think that there are a lot of synergies here yes and I'm trying to look for a G Bob's are in our chat oneplus probably saw what Xiaomi did with TVs in India the Xiaomi me TV for killed it with competitive pricing and if there's one thing we know about oneplus is that when they start something new it's usually a pretty competitively priced because they're going to build it from that starting point I mean obviously the oneplus phones have become more expensive but they've also become better so that's it that's nothing I mean you know I do know that the one place phones have become more expensive I just you know I think that the value has grown a matched by the quality of their products like if you grab the oneplus 2 which I have in a drawer I never had the oneplus one but if you compare the oneplus 2 to the 1 plus 6 for example you're like yeah you can totally tell the difference in price here and then you know from the performance standpoint like the cameras on oneplus phones before that we're crappy yeah now I you know I did a comparison between the 1 plus 6 in the iPhones and shameless plug and you know I I was like you're not getting $500 more of a phone with the iPhone 10 indeed you did yes I mentioned Xiaomi which brings us to our final story in this first segment how cheap should have phone be so that you can accept that there are ads all over the place I'm actually that's the name of the article that's that the headline but I'm actually asking you guys and I can I defend Xiaomi on this one ah how so do you know how show me makes me through their software yes so what's the problem when your software is no longer controlled by Xiaomi completely which is the thing you know for the company to move away from China it's uh you know it's it's very difficult think about it if once the company moves away from China they don't control the store they don't control a lot of the things where they are they're able to monetize in order to be able to sell people an affordable product and so I don't mind one banner ad drink in the settings if that's gonna allow them to sell me the me mix to us for 450 500 bucks true I don't care to see which is I was completely against this by HTC if you remember HTC was the first one to come up with their whole we're gonna serve you you know in the nads yeah which was I'm like okay how much rate how much of a discount are you giving me on the phone for that because Xiaomi does give you and it creates it's a five percent margin over a phone nobody does five percent margins Oh her phone and so that's literally what's made Xiaomi so popular I don't mind it so long as they keep the prices where they have I mean look at the poco phone guys that's not easy I'm trying to look at the phone is just so hard without LTE anyway as always gonna be my gripe with that phone but when as far as Xiaomi is concerned I don't know like coz what you're looking at is a bigger ecosystem picture if a if a cheaper phone with ads allows them to cut overhead and then they're able to make their premium phones for a much lower price as a result that's okay I can get that but how low does the phone itself that has the ad have to be $1.99 $2.99 I think under 150 years so an Android one device would dad's which is kind of against the whole idea of Android one I don't know I mean there's this very interesting video by the way I've become a really big fan of a channel called tech alter the guy makes these like amazing case studies of like why this company does this or why this company does that I think we should definitely link to him I'll do it once this video goes live cuz there's like a very complete study over why like I can explain it too but he has a full nine minute video over how shall me and why the why they're now doing poco phone and why this whole changes strategy and the rebranding etc and again mark that's his name Martin exactly I mean do he does some really awesome videos and you know it's it's one of those things where it's like these are business models I you know what do you want would you rather I I don't know of anything like if you buy the New York Times you could buy the New York Times now for like a dollar a week or something stupid like that but obviously for for the New York Times the price of the product the paper is really just distribution probably for them really they make more money off the ads and that's just the way it is we've been we've been served ads on the street in banners we've been served ads just about everywhere in the world I mean we survive out of ads when it comes to YouTube etc and so again if they price the phone aggressively I don't care yeah Amazon's been doing it not well with those ads at the beginning of their of the phones that they serve well we real quick the jewels did just make a good a good point in the chat that the difference between Xiaomi and Amazon is that Amazon is very up front with their ads yeah you turn on a Kindle and it's like hey this is the version of the Kindle you buy and when you pay for it when you pay for it they actually ask you do you want the version with ads or the version without ads and want the version without ads you pay an extra 30 bucks I think Xiaomi should probably do that that's a good point yeah all right um so that that is our new segment for today as the landlines alright so um apparently Brandon have some stuff he wanted to do in our check-in I will say one quick thing that I was on a little you you may not have known this viewers and listeners but I was on a little bit of a vacation but we were able to get what we internally called the monthly done where we had a great show with a returning Michael Fisher and tech Meowth and Danny wing it or whinge it rather I mean he's okay with either pronunciation but that was a great show and I hope everyone enjoyed that one make sure you check that out on the YouTube channel of course but yeah I was able to use the poco phone out in Cabo and it's it kind of got LTE like it got it got it got really great HSPA+ let me just say that Latin America has got great HSPA+ like hilarious out here in in the United States they're like LT or 4G and like the fallout 2 for two HSPA+ is terrible it's like worse than 2g here oh man yeah it was it was kinda nice using it out there and I did use it for a few shots I am finally putting together my final review of it I'd be more than happy to share my camera samples by the way with you guys and yeah I I spent some time in Cabo I was up late the day that the iPhone went on sale for pre-order so I have a bit of a story about that but I can talk about that a little bit later in our iPhone segment jaime is leaving for just a minute so Brendon why don't you let us know what your thoughts right is all about well it's kind of a mini discussion so I kind of want to wait till Hymie comes back oh okay well then why do you just let us know oh you were - you okay so first of all there was a show that we did a couple weeks ago where you said you were off that day but you were all you were still in the chat were you like were you not off of that day what was going on yeah I had something I had to do but I wanted to check in and see what you guys are talking about just jumped in for like 10 minutes just to kind of stalk you guys and see what you were talking about yeah Jules and I were laughing when we saw that you like appeared in the in the live chat were just like Brendan I thought you were off today what's going on he's back so I can all right let's go sorry let's go for me that neither spare battery because I'm actually you guys were working like I'm working on Clips right now as we film because we felt a little time yeah all right so go for our brother okay so I just want to go back in time a little bit to the Nexus 5 the Nexus 5 had a 5-inch screen which is actually pretty big for the time and then the Nexus 6 came out which had a six inch screen and I remember watching one of the earlier reviews dieter bone made the review for the verge and he said the following he said I'm calling it phones are not going to get bigger than six-inch this has become absurd okay so fast-forward 2018 the 1 plus 6 was 6.3 inch the note 4 was 6 point 4 inches the iPhone 10's max is 6.5 inches the vivo Nexus 6 point 6 inches and then there's a little phone that came out recently called the honor Note 10 which TK over on his job god TK showed me that phone Goten has a 6 point 9 inch screen I'm thinking wait a sec wait a sec it wasn't that long ago that the Nexus 7 came out which was a tablet that you held in your hands how is it possible that a phone can have a six point nine inch screen and still be considered a phone and that got me thinking and what I want to ask you guys is you know 2018 was the year of the 6 plus inch phone with but they had kind of smaller footprints because we got notches and small bezels do you guys think next year is gonna be the year of the high six inch low 7-inch phones or is it just are we done here with the size increases well I may bring up your 10s max again on camera Oh what the hell man I'm all sorry hold on I gotta clear up my notifications because I've got secret messages that you guys look at that thing it's no it's not that it's not it doesn't have a big I know but it still looks big I don't know like the screen is a little deceiving in that regard all right so I'm gonna say this you have to remember what happened last year last year when was it the LG G 6 announced last year two years ago wasn't it last year right so remember what changed like the the length of the display hasn't has increased but also the form factor was so 16 by 9 so the biggest problem with the Nexus 6 was a six inch display in a 16 by 9 aspect ratio it made it a wide phone provide yep so the genius move last year was oh we're gonna offer you larger screens but these weren't really larger screens of the if we do the math and you know how much space area there is the screens haven't really gotten that much bigger it's just you know they're taller 18 by 9 18 point like the iPhone is like what nineteen point five by nine and so it's just this little trick that they're doing and also they're also playing with things like that notch where they're telling you which I'm not gonna blame Apple for using the knotch because forever Google would be like yeah we're offering you a 6.3 inch display but then the control buttons at the bottom would pretty much take a part of it anyways you know so it's this little play that companies have been doing so if you grab a nexus 7 and I have one by the way I could bring it oh I could bring it next week that we meet like I have a Nexus 7 if you compare that 7-inch with the honor note whatever you really won't see two devices that are the same size one two bezels have changed dramatically dramatically like if you even if you grab the iPhone eight I mean just grab your iPhone eight plus and compared to the iPhones and 10s maxi-pad I mean it's the tennis match what the tennis max did you see my tweet last week this airmax yeah god it's it's it's the worst but no it's you know companies are playing with all we're offering you a larger display like if you notice the node 8 the node 9 what did they do it's literally the same footprint of the node 8 and they just added an extra millimeter an extra point something inch to the bottom bezel and made it asymmetrical and they just they're just reducing vessels they continuously reduce bezels if Sony could just get out of its own way for a second I think 2019 should mark the return of the Z ultra it's just all screen great you know I think it's a I think that the phone that does it best that sadly I don't have here amongst all this mess is the Oppo find X and I I have to pin it I have to finish that review I've been working on it od keep talking sorry yo go find X for me is honestly the best cuz it's literally a full symmetrical bezel all around just display with curves and feel small in the hand and it's frickin gorgeous and it's OLED and oh my god I want more phones like this if they could figure out how that mechanism is not gonna get as much lint as mine gets can you can you bring it nice size ISA has hers and I've been meaning to to play around with it myself those look pretty dope I'm not gonna lie it's kind of good it's a beautiful phone dude it is such a beautiful phone like you said just that the screens amazing my conclusion on the review just uh you know the the script and everything and I've also already recorded my arrow but my conclusion is this like the Oppo find as is like a Lamborghini and I love that they created the Lamborghini edition because it pretty much is this it's a beautiful product to be admired it is a beautiful product to drive and use so long as you don't bring it to Braddock Avenue here in close to Long Island in Queens Village because you're going to destroy the suspension of that Lamborghini if you bring it over here and so that's the same thing with the find X it's not the most durable phone it's not for everybody but so is a Ferrari not for everybody you know yeah it's true it's not like and that's the thing you won't be able to like you won't be able to use it like you like you'd use a Honda Accord or you use an SUV it just wasn't designed for that and so the find X is that it's bragging rights is instead of buying that horrible Acorah expensive virtue phone by a find X like that is more bragging rights than anything but you barely able to take it into the pool you won't be able to but so won't you be able to drive that Lamborghini in certain certain roads in the pool it's the same you made some good points on me about how manufacturers have done certain things to bring down the size of a phone but make the screen bigger Josh curious what you think if you think that we're gonna be seeing a push towards seven-inch Plus phones next year or anything I would say why not and let's see how they skirt all of this all of this quote-unquote wasted space that might be that might occur because someone in our chat I'm sorry I don't remember your name I got a look back on it it got buried under all the other comments said that yes the the screens are taller like Jaime said and then when you watch in landscape there's the there's the what do they call that the pillarboxing so is that a waste of space it kind of is like it kind of is I mean come on please don't tell me that you didn't survive at a time when televisions were making the move from sit from four by only the sixteen by nine I totally agree but its octagon on a phone that is over seven inches large like that's kind of annoying it was annoying and I get the point and I find it hilarious whenever I get comments of like when are we gonna make the move to 18 by 9 video and I'm like shoot like not even cameras sensors exactly find in that in that symmetry yet if I want to provide if I want to use the full sensor I need to film in sixteen by nine one and two have you ever seen the pillarboxing on an iPad which is what a lot of people use to consume content particularly on airplanes like everybody's using iPads or you know tablets that are sixteen by nine and so why do I want to create that pillarboxing I would rather figure out a phrase a way to frame myself and if you want to see screen to zoom in dude I mean you've got the option yeah it's just it's there and then yeah it'll compromise this is what I'm saying so pillarboxing is one and then let you zoom in you cut the top and bottom off like it's it's kind of dumb and there's still some content out there that I do consume that's four by three action classic TV sometimes there you go so here's the thing this is like the dongle life that we're living where I have my microphone connected to this laptop using an adapter from Samsung because it doesn't have USB a and there will be a time when this microphone will ship with a USBC connector try to find I try to find a mini not micro mini USB cable to USB see they don't exist they don't know they don't exist yeah you know all right so speaking of our speaking of our pillar boxing Brandon now that we're getting into it you guys both unboxed your phones already though huh so there's not really much to show can we can we can can you guys comment on one thing for me because I'm I know I'm going to throw the box at the wall when I see this in person cuz I know this is the case there's no adapter for a headphone right no what the heck like come on you got okay first of all I am the truly wireless but advocate I agree but what I I don't know this still pisses me off I don't know why I you know to be fully honest with you I'm not like because first of all to be fully honest with you I never use that dongle like I gave him away to my son because he likes to use wired headphones he's a smart kid but I don't like for me it's it's been I've been using Bluetooth for the past six years yeah you know and it's funny like I I will use this just because it connects to the microphone and I'm able to monitor the audio but an absolutely everything else if air pods had a better design I would use air pots like why not I just I feel that they've brought in so much convenience and just how easy it is to put them to put them on take them off and how they can connect to every single one of your Apple products so seamlessly I feel that it's a genius move it's just a terrible design but I feel that that's just we need to embrace it man hey just because your ears don't work with iPods doesn't mean it's a terrible design I don't I totally agree that my ears have not shrunk over the last couple of years sadly as I was expecting that to happen but ya know I mean that's that's it it is where I was going yeah Brendon when was the last time you unboxed an iPhone it's been a very long time oh we do remember which phone that was maybe the 5s maybe oh my goodness it's been a long time so we're ten we're ten generations in on the iPhone and you can you can share whatever your experiences are on unboxing this particular device does it still have the magic it used to have because I've never unboxed an iPhone not not not with the grandeur that it used to have you know because the iPhone is the phone that everyone was like the plastic peel and all that I feel it's I feel it's do you guys remember unboxing HTC products not recently not recently but I'm talking from the Pocket PC days and probably up until the last Windows Mobile devices right before they made the change to Android their boxes were awesome and and there was a time when HTC made palm palm devices right yes right exactly so you remember those box designs and just the whole unboxing experience is stunning it was awesome so what about special yes so for me and by the way my my unboxing should be live soon I'm still putting together a couple of clips but honestly like the iPhone experience unboxing is asked with the first iPhone it's just a small box with everything the unboxing experience that I really like this time was the Apple watch well what was it about the Apple watch so I already dropped it and because of the way the box is now so the boxes this is this compartment and the watch doesn't come with the band the watch doesn't come with the bands anymore and so it's the the just the the piece of the watch is in here the bands are separate and then so it's funny the moment that I lifted it on video boom the watch fell oh no but it's just the way they put it together wear the watch band is here and then there's kind of an elaborate yeah package yeah no dude this is like and I there's a piece of the package down there that I can't reach for right now but it's got like hold on we try to get it it's got like different designs of Apple watches and just different options and I feel that they did that really well it reminds me of the old times with HTC devices where you had an accessory for everything and it just the the box just the quality of the box everything felt really good okay I think the best iPhone box things I can remember were the ones where like the form factor had changed but I remember good unboxing the 500 pretty so that is kind of cool yeah cool and just the way you want to wrap the box so these are like little tabs at the bottom like this and then you snap and then you start unpeeling this and then once you peel it off there's another inner box that's so HTC man I see I like that you I like that you you ended it with that was so HTC because there are a lot of people one thing that I always found incredulous about Apple fans is that they do little details they would go nuts over and I'm like it's I don't know this is an Apple way of talking but it's it's just you know that HTC an Apple collaborated for a few years yes yes particularly at the time of the iPhone 6 between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 6 they collaborated a lot from the design of the antenna built into the aluminum and everything that's all in HTC design by the way and so you know it's one of those things where I love a company that has attention to detail in things like the packaging I do praise it because you're not paying 3 bucks for these things yeah so so while we while we are chiming in a little bit about our unboxing situations and whatnot I don't I don't know if I'm gonna do one when my phone comes in in the next hour so babe I don't know it's not it hasn't arrived yet I'm on the west coast it's already like yeah it's 3 3 p.m. for you guys already sorry sorry it's all good I will I don't know if I'll maybe I'll do something on IG live or something like that who knows but we do have a little bit of news about the iPhone 10 as we're talking about the unboxing experience and all that stuff so the suppliers of the iPhone that make that basically manufacture the physical parts for it did I include the company Foxconn they're a little bit worried about the high prices of the iPhone because well everyone makes a speculation that how much is a phone like this truly worth when there's a ton of overhead on top of it because obviously these phones are very expensive and here's where I'm gonna bring in my story yeah I stayed up late until 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. to preorder the 10s Max and after all the horror stories that I heard about pre-ordering and how tough it is to do so I had the easiest I had the easiest time just doing I just I just got in I hit I want the gold one 64 gigabyte I'm not gonna fill it up too crazy anyway and then boom I bought it I was nice why was that it oh that's that's because people aren't like pre-ordering in the droves that they used to so like yeah you can go through Apple system and there's like less congestion and get your order through boom it ships when everyone else gets it and there's no congestion yeah ii didn't we have news where Apple had like hijacked I don't know how many cargo planes and just placed an order like really an event like for example my iPhone shipped from Connecticut it didn't ship from Shenzhen now mine did yeah and so I feel you know the one thing that Tim Cook is really good at is distribution now I mean I feel that they were if you remember they got like a really thought they got scolded by the board but they were like you know we need to figure this out this whole we don't make enough phones for the demand like it doesn't really matter how many phones you can manufacture at the beginning eventually they'll they will sell like people will end up buying them at some point in the case of iPhones and so I don't think you know Foxconn made the comment and it's you know it's it's understandable but a lot of people were making comments oh there are not so many lines right now in front of the Apple Store it doesn't go around the block I think it's just because people are getting smarter about ordering perhaps oh but I was in a room I have I think it was a family vacation so I had my parents and my girlfriend and my brother his girlfriend my brother's girlfriend is a huge Apple fan and I guess you could say my girlfriend is a somewhat former Apple fan is that okay she was acceptable this is the point I was make everyone in the room was excited but me and the reason why is because of that price tag it was $1200 down the drain in less than five clicks less than five clicks buddy but like for example my my so the UPS driver is like my buddy his name is James Bowie so James walks in and I'm like dude I've been waiting for you for a bit I mean he's like he's like dude I'm here early he was here like a like 10 minutes before 10:00 he's always here at 10 a.m. and the guy was like and no and he's like and I know what you're waiting for I've got 387 more packages to deliver and I just delivered another 50 before I got here mmm so do the math how many iPhones is one UPS truck delivering that's a very expensive truck yeah one UPS truck just do the math dude it's a that's about 500 phones for one one driver yeah he's like dude it's gonna be crazy today so yeah and it did look like it a lot of our friends are or love our friends went to Apple stores and it did look like it was kind of it was it's not quite the madhouse it used to be but it's still madhouse so to sort of quell these different speculations about how expensive the phone is and why it's so expensive and whether or not the suppliers are kind of feeling the the penny pinch a little bit Tim Cook did do an interview on Good Morning America basically stating why the iPhone 10's is priced the way that it is and there were a couple of really interesting like takes that he made on it so when you think about it I'll just you know what I'll just read the way that yeah I didn't see the interview tell me yeah so what this is what this is what uh this is why you ended up saying basically we want to make an iPhone for everyone that's always been our objective and we've got several iPhones in line and the prices go down to materially low I'm gonna skip that part but the way for most people with these as it turns out is they do a deal with a carrier and they pay so much per month so if you look at even the phone that's priced over $1000 most people are paying $30 a month for it that's just a dollar a day one cent a minute I mean come on no no so David Cogan made like the perfect analogy he's like why am I going to order the iPhone last year why am I going to order the iPhone eight or eight plus and not the iPhone 10 it's just six dollars more a month oh geez those comparisons stop though nobody was like dude I drink six dollars six dollars in in just the amount of cop drink every day million now she compared to a Starbucks latte he's like I drink today that six bucks right there you're their children for six you see Jules just brought it in right there see it'sit's that plus car payments mortgages now I get it and for me is so my account argument was like all right so we live in a world where all companies want to make some money out of us like like if you wanted to use Adobe tools that's a that's like wow like 60 bucks a month if you want to use Microsoft tools that's like $12 a month and then you've got Netflix for another 11 then you've got Hulu for nine and then you've got Apple is so you've got Spotify for 10 bucks and once you do the math yes you're gonna end up with like a two hundred dollar bill just in subscriptions and then an you know the the extra six bucks for your iPhone but you know what that's what that's you know this is the system is where we are right now you know what the problem is Josh I wish that would there so I remember when HTC came up with the with the m7 you know and they were like four megapixels as all people need and four megapixels is it and the phone was a huge it wasn't a flop but it did didn't sell well because you can't just tell people that you're gonna reduce technology and charge them more and people are gonna be fine with it the problem with iPhones you know what it is that people still buy them yeah that's the process that there was a let me find that comment real quick someone was in the live chat with this DBS said oh my goodness it's gonna take a while you guys are very active in the chat today which is great thank you so much but it was it was some sort of it was some sort of comment about virtue how virtue would make $1500 phones and then they ended up going bankrupt that's not gonna happen with Apple No simply put but I guess I guess there is still the argument though that you know for the average person as Jules was trying to say in our check here the for the average person this is still a lot to ask you know is yeah it is it is and people just don't in the barn um but hold on you made a good point right now it's remember the thing that we were talking about Xiaomi with the ads on the app on their settings and stuff mm-hmm Apple controls their App Store just like Xiaomi controls the App Store in China Apple makes 30 percent off of every transaction in their App Store their music store their movie store their everything that's the reason why they're so wealthy and this is the reason why Shou Musa made sense so yes the no apples not gonna go bankrupt mainly because of how much they how many services revolve around iPhones and how they create this walled garden that they actually make aspirational with all their advertisement and the fact that people still buy them that you know whose fault it is your your fault because for 1300 hours here's why simple economics things are worth what people will pay for them and as long as you guys keep spending 12 and 13 hundred dollars on your phones Apple is gonna be able to charge it because the market says you are the market that and everyone listening they say that's okay I'll spend a mortgage payment on a frickin phone I would have loved I would have loved when the iPhone 10 came out and for the quarter results to be like ya know we've we've had our first decline since this is the iPhone success yeah definitely and then boom we're gonna price it more aggressively you know I wish that would have happened that actually didn't so Apple did sell like crazy when it came to the the first iPhone and even then if you remember it was $500 plus the plan in AT&T with the first iPhone then came the iPhone 3G and instead of going $500 it was 200 like they dropped $300 even if they sold well with the first iPhone so I was waiting I was waiting for that to happen with the iPhone 10s be like all right we already paid for all the are and deal with the iPhone 10 we've already done this now we're gonna drop the price no because people went crazy and bought the I like I haven't I have rarely seen people with an iPhone 8 plus or an iPhone 8 everybody has a 10 well yeah everybody has it you know what you touch upon something that is it's kind of our next topic here like upgrading from an iPhone 10 to a tennis or a tennis max does it for you who have sorry King tongue-tied for you right now Jaime who has the 10s and now the 10 so that that is like does that feel like a lateral move to you or is it is it actually an upgrade that you're willing to make if you were not who you are it could be to be fully honest the only reason why I went for gold was because I couldn't tell people that I was reviewing the 10s if haha if I baked gray that I prefer and it's the only reason I chose gold I actually don't like the color because like your your finger smudges make the stainless steel look darker which is one of the reasons why I like the Space Gray I feel that it aged better i dude like I don't think that this phone has I'm probably biased I need to start using it to be able to give you like a full opinion but like there's really no reason to upgrade so far the only the only reason for me would be the camera on the iPhone 10 was not good it was decent it was not good so if I go out and I start taking photos and this phone and presses me then I'll be like alright fine I get it there are some people on social right now who are saying that smart HDR seems to be doing a pretty good job everybody's like oh the cameras dramatically better yeah but but these are the same people that in the review were like oh the camera on the iPhone 10 is great I'm like no it's not no it's not compared to what like it's great compared to what the iPhone 7 no I don't know man like like dynamic range on the iPhone 10 it's just bad well this morning dr is doing it so like there are some examples out there that look like they're you know it's doing it's doing a job like I say it's doing D job but it's cuz just doing a job as far as video goes that's gonna be where I I'm going to be very scrutinizing about just a small slightly selfish plug Jon M Chu who is the director of crazy rich Asians he used an iPhone 10 s max to film a short and it actually looks pretty good but you know then again you put a phone like this in the directors hands and of course they're gonna be able to do some good stuff with it there is one dead giveaway though is when he tries to do slo-mo footage using the 10s Max and it's footage of a breakdancer I don't like where slow-motion is going on smartphones where everyone's trying to go higher and higher and higher in the frame rates because it causes flicker in incandescent lighting 1:20 but that's the thing like was it a was it a bright or a dim shot it was it was a bright it was a well lit shot inside of like a garage I know but it was inside a garage that's the problem it's basic principle of filming I mean your shutter speed determines everything yeah so if you're if you're gonna give me a nine hundred and sixty frames per second video which the iPhone doesn't it's 240 but if you're doing 240 you better make sure you get me like what's the maximum shutter speed of an iPhone is the question I just don't know I just I don't think it's capable of providing enough shutter speed to compensate for that frame rate and therefore you need a lot of light you can't do good slow-mo if it's not in daylight yes exactly that's why 120 120 is perfect why does everyone going to 40 like once when he was perfectly fine and it doesn't cause flicker anyway sorry we keep interrupting Brendan I was just gonna say I just took a picture first time on the on the excess Max and the zero shutter lag thing is real like I can't believe how fast it takes the picture do you guys remember the first iPhone you'd see this animation when Shh it was like literally three seconds but I may check it out take a picture well there go if you use the camera a lot there goes your battery life because Apple watch my theory with that unfortunately is that if it's always doing something so that you have zero shutter lag that's also going to it's going to cut into the battery and there's a story that just broke today about about the battery life on the two phones and apparently it's Jules was doing the math for me over here the iPhone 10 has a 26:59 million power battery but why I'm sorry let me let me change that the iPhone 10 had a 27 16 million barrel battery while the 10 s has a lower capacity at 26:59 Abbey you've got the seven nanometer processor like every time that Apple has made a jump to in nanometers meaning to drop technically every time that they've done that they have reduced the battery size if you remember they did it when they did the 64 bit between the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5s they dropped the battery size they did the same thing between the 6 and the 6s and you know it's what's happening now I guess so apparently apparently a obviously people are going to be up in arms about that whole thing you know meanwhile we have this battery in the note 9 but the we'll see what happens there but I'm not looking forward to the fact that zero shutter lag might be great but if it's always doing something that means battery life F for a vlogger is going to be much lower now I'm gonna defend iPhones our galaxy s 9 review our there's a video that we did comparing the iPhone 10 versus the note 9 and data speeds and I think there's another I'm not talking to you why would it say exactly it's the worst it is so dumb it doesn't even know and you're not talking to it but uh so I these videos have a lot of footage filmed in an iPhone 10 at 4k at 60 you need a gimbal uh but if you like if you use a DJI Osmo with an iPhone 10 at 1080p at 60 it is incredible it's it's red for a phone it's really good I'll take you up on that I will use my Osmo too let's see how it turns out I'm looking forward to that now okay we have one last story as far as iPhones go but I do want to just call out one person that was in the live chat okay maybe I do drink fancy tea and that's a lot of you know this love money every day sometime okay I get it but still these phones are very expensive someone was like Josh drinks $25 worth of fancy tea every day why is he talking about I'm like hey Dad everyone has a vice all right so our final story on the iPhones at least I have to do with the iPhone 10 or which I will admit I'm kind of excited to check out I was I was disappointed when the 10r was not I I didn't really keep up with the news the 10r was not available for pre-order yet when I got the 10s max I think that I would actually be excited the way that I wasn't with the 10s max to check out the 10 or any takes from you guys about this metal phone find bringing back metal but I so probably if they would have launched the iPhone 10s in red that would have been like oh I want that but I think that the coolest thing about the 10 ed the 10 R is really the color options and that red looks real I'm going yellow yellow yeah Rendon oh sorry with hi made it the coolest part about that is is the colors otherwise like I don't know it doesn't have the OLED screen it has what a liquid LCD what does that even mean well I don't know like Apple does really good out cities like I'll give them that I I don't like I used the A+ at some point and I don't really tell a difference with the 10 like at all well do you have a hot take on this whole little controversy about the liquid Retina display having the same PPI as the iPhone 4 was everyone but yeah but that's the thing like I mean Apple Apple if you do what is what was the PPI on the a+ i and on the 8 so they're literally just making a lateral phone with a knotch that's what they're doing they're giving people like a consolation of they can't buy the 10s and I you know they're building a phone for everybody at every price point they are keeping the 7 they're keeping the 8 then they've got the 10 are and then they've got the 10s in 10x max you can pick whichever iPhone you want please don't buy this than everybody that's the worst iphone ever I would highly recommend the 88 plus those were good oh my god and and by the way now that we're in the podcast let's let's talk about these upgrades before if you want let's finish with the 10r but then I have something to say about the Apple watch before before I forget okay um I guess to to our producer maybe we won't be talking about this huawei story but there is one thing that I do want to say though there's one thing that I want to make sure that we touch upon it we don't have to talk at length about it okay there were no air pods at the event I was a little bit disappointed about that because I wanted to see what they would take the air pods next there wasn't even the air power and apparently Huawei is going to start making their own version of that of the air pods or that design that does have wireless charge and called the free buds but I just kind of like I would recommend all the listeners and viewers go to go go to pocket now and check out this story because it's kind of an interesting concept of having the free buds the case actually have a wireless charging in and out available so you can charge your phone using the battery in the free buds case I kinda that's kind of cool yeah you have to Oh hold on Jose is correcting me sorry oh you can try sorry you can charge the free buds using the phone there you go thank you sorry I was saying that wrong so the phone can wirelessly charged the free buds when they are in their case which i think is kind of that's still cool I mean I got I got mixed up but that's still pretty cool you have to buy into that ecosystem obviously but that's the way Apple works anyway so hopefully we'll get air power at some point in the future or pods too might actually be pretty awesome and it'll dictate how truly wireless earbuds are in the future I just want to make sure I gave my two cents on that particular part so make sure you take out that story on pocketnow.com alright so uh Jaime with his final hot takes before we wrap up the Apple watch Series 3 was a device that I recommended that I was like yes finally we have an Apple watch that can run applications and that brings like in the case of the series ii had brought ceramic at the back and so it didn't scratch and that's the only way that these sensors are gonna work have you guys noticed the specifications for the series three the pretty much what they're not telling people it's it's not the same watch it's not the same series three that we got previously so if you order the GPS only variant now that one doesn't have ceramic it has a composite back and the only way for you to get ceramic on series 3 is if you go for the LT variant oh do not I repeat do not buy an Apple watch with a composite back you're gonna save a little money but that composite back because of the charger design will scratch so much so much that the sensors won't work oh ah and so it just doesn't make any sense free to pay a little less money for a series 3 anymore and it pisses me off like Apple is like yeah so now we're gonna have the series 4 and a series 3 and you can pick whichever one but they're not being straightforward with you in the fact that they're making changes the series 3 so it's not the same watch this is me off man well now we know thank you buyers beware definitely alright well on that note I guess we can go ahead and call it on this one so I love talking about the iPhone 10s the 10s max make sure you get into the comments down below and let us know what you think of the phone if you picked it up today after all there were a lot of people at the Apple stores and I guess a lot of people are calling this iPhone day so there's one every year so hopefully you had a good one today that is it for now the weekly is just as much a conversation as it is a show so make sure you make your voices heard either in the comment sections below like I just said or by emailing us at the address podcast at pocketnow.com you can also tag the cast on twitter using the hashtag pn weekly Jaime Rivera is of course at I'm a underscore Rivera remember that underscore and branded minimun is found at Brandon mini man and someone in the live chat asked what my Instagram is well you can find me add JV tech T all over the place so JV loves tech and I love drinking tea $25 worth of tea every day maybe sometimes Parker now is that pocket now on Twitter Facebook Google+ and YouTube in English and espanol where you can find more news on the 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