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good morning good afternoon good evening to some of you I wish mr. Anton dinajpur with us today because uh he's the one who's always at evening time at these events i am hi meri behna from pocketnow great to talk to everybody and we have our editorial round table for everything that was discussed at WWDC 2014 um interesting as we were kind of expecting more than what we actually got but that doesn't necessarily mean that we didn't get a lot the event was kind of extensive and I felt that it was too short for everything they announced mainly in the features between OS 10 and iOS and these are the things we're gonna do this discuss today but let's go through a rundown of the team that's with us today let's start with our senior editor mr. Joe Levi who just dropped out right perfect timing well we're off to it right though that's a google hangout he got worked for he's around somewhere we use some there but ok mr. Michael Fisher are creative I forget your title sorry you know creative director actually I might like a little better editorial director is my real daddy I think reviewer in chief would be more more apps I gotta be honest I could tell you more about the asuste padfone X and the LG g3 that I could tell you about anything they haven't the apple event today but that's just where my brain is that so that's okay I could to be well you are our reviewer you're definitely going to be reviewing a lot of the stuff that was talked about today and there is jail again hello mr. Joe Levi senior editor how are you I've been better I'm at the auto shop right now but glad to be with everybody talking about stuff I love I don't go ahead I see that you are I'm not the only one on the team to rock a sporty pair of LG tones I see they're saving your butt on the street as they saved mine last week yeah yeah i unlike you think they're awesome all the time though okay I think they're awesome most of the time so I've gone through a lot of changes little tree is our secret editorial roundtable sponsor okay obviously by Chanel creature and mr. are our chief news editor mr. Stephen shank how are you dude hey hey I'm well I'm surprised you were able to come dence everything that was announced for iOS happen there was so much of it I mean you're just saying a minute ago about how much or how quickly they seemed to go through everything there was a ton of stuff it was one beat after another feature feature feature picture but we'll get to all that in a second if there's a lot to hear about well why don't you run us down initially through a little bit of what we saw today first of all the fact that if you were expecting hardware everybody there was no hardware it was just a software win just like it's been for the last two years I believe right um I think down we're getting down to the wire rumors started zeroing in this idea was not getting any new hardware there was some reports out I think from the New York Times earlier today so civically about the health book stuff that we got so you know everyone was wondering if this would be where we saw the iWatch debut and rumor this morning was known as not going to the iWatch but there's going to be this sensor packed health book and then i'll come a look around a little later on in the year and that's pretty much what we got a health book is going to plug in to these existing wearables is going to attach to third-party apps it gathered that data it's just going to sort of store together give health care provider is a place where they can pull on it so way more than health apps in the past have been focused mainly on the user interpreting their own data a health book is really focused on making this a legitimate medical application so even if we can get the hardware that's big there a salad we can get in the OSX hardware either if you know I had to bet on and I would have said that was the more likely thing to arrive today in a new macbook or something but the wait for another day for that I guess so and pretty much it you know health kit would that be the final name is accurately healthcare sorry oh you know it is really like Game Center yeah it's really a place where applications can integrate services can integrate but they're not obliged uh obviously nike be you know Tim Cook is part of the board nike will be one of the big players in healthcare definitely um but you know they don't have any hardware anymore so I you know I guess the biggest question right now is you know fine there are going to be services and where that are going to integrate but it's interesting that Apple is not really wanting to an iOS wearable don't you guys think I was sorry I was juggling I was juggling Joe muting a little bit because he was we were getting a little too much of his of your breeze sorry Joe I've left them muting up to you now yeah no I think that's interesting I i think i'll pick you back on stevens comments that once the event got to a certain point once we realized how much Apple was focusing on software at this thing and as they typically do it a developer's conference I've became pretty clear I think relatively quickly we're not going to see any any new hardware and certainly not not i watch hardware but I mean you're saying that you're surprised that Apple is going to open this up to to third-party hardware not not built by them on the health front is that what your question is well usually Apple is the company that likes to do everything Apple they don't really like to add other people and you know not necessarily because they want the full piece of the pie but mainly because you know not everybody does it right right now the health the health of you know the whole fitness thing is mainly based on different types of fitness trackers 111 fitness tracker can do better things than the other none of these are they are reliable to some extent but not fully um so I'm just surprised that Apple didn't come up and say okay fine here's the perfect fitness fitness tracker or health tracker and this is what health book is going to be based on usually Apple does things like that you know they're not like oh we're gonna integrate iTunes with your mp3 players know they built the mp3 player and then they created iTunes yeah no that's that says that's a solid point I guess that is a little on the surprising side I want health stuff pops up I leave that to two experts like you because they start talking health and stuff and I'm just kind of like okay I've just wake me up on move back into the stuff that I you yeah there are cool things like oh okay so we have the version of iOS and those of you that were expecting for an iPad pro and 40 expensive able to webos 10 Yosemite like I think I got that right it is mainly just a revamped you didn't need not OS 10 B we could reduce some light yossi might not about to say that ochsner was cool though um and but you know OS 10 is really just a revamp in design those of you that were expecting for there to be an arm-based based OS 10 that will work on a tablet that's not happening there's no 12 inch tablet nothing and then it's really more of how OS 10 is going to integrate to iOS we have a question for example here on our Q&A that s when is Apple going to bring the file system probably iOS 9 they're not going to just forget about that not even Android is giving you they are but you have to use third-party applications to yeah I was surprised that Microsoft ami made with the Windows Phone 8.1 file manager because some smartphones in general have been really shying away from that'll aspects of it that's a rising an apples not do exactly and it's not happening but what we are getting is iCloud Drive yeah and you know okay so this is cool because I cloud files on the Mac are terribly handled it's a separate you I from the finder and you always had this like juggle all around and I would never use iCloud because of that but now it's one you I that's within the finder and then on iOS you get to access this file system from the cloud that's really what you have access to and whatever you're editing on iOS you can you know continue doing on on the mac and and and you know that's part that's actually the one of the cool updates that's the exciting thing for me hi Mia it's called continuity as readily that that's a separate one actually but tell us more about it Michael you know i'm sorry i thought that i was looking at my notes while you were I thought you were you in love jumped into it already but like no continuity is really exciting because I am as I say I'm in the middle of reviewing the PadFone one of the cooler things about that is you can do take what you're doing on your phone and if you're like I need a bigger screen for this you don't have to go to a different device you can just plug it into the tablet and it's like oh it's bigger now with this is nice because you can be doing something on your iPhone and decide you want a bigger canvas and the process of opening on opening it on the ipad is just simplicity itself you go to the lower left corner of the screen you flick up and oh wow this is exactly what i was doing before and that translates also to the desktop as well as your honor no s10 machine running west and we'd you can go up little corner there and not only can you can use tossed tasks back and forth you can also do fun things like activate a mobile hotspot without touching that's neat looking isn't it isn't it yeah and yeah and also like tiny little things like your iPhone throws details about its reception status and stuff right into your status bar so like all this stuff the way this stuff works together is very cool in a macro perspective it's like wow this would make my life easier but it's also a it speaks to the larger message of today which is Apple sitting there saying we need to make it more compelling for people to jump in headfirst into the apple ecosystem and just and just live inside Apple again because I think it's been a couple years since um since that's really been a compelling prospect you know I like me i have a macbook that i adore for desktop work but i don't really want to get near any of apples stuff on the mobile side tablet or smartphone it's not very compelling to me today's announcements make it more compelling and I think they will make more compelling for a lot of people it's interesting I saw this as making the mac side of things more compelling for existing iOS users piercer seeing if on the other side and this is sort of drawing if you have a Mac anyway from back into the mobile Apple fold yeah I think it's doing both and I you know I think that's that's the intention because really I think there was starting to be this sense that that a lot of people were doing like I like I I don't want to replace my macbook air with anything however on the smartphone side I'm like I don't really want an iphone this sort suits my needs better but this is making a strong case for just dumping good jumping headfirst into the whole Apple things and saying if you don't have all Apple devices there's something concrete you're going to be missing out on and that's convenience to over and over again every day you know I'm kind of surprised I'm still trying to understand how exactly what are they going to use for me to receive a phone call with my phone that's charging in my bedroom and have the call fall on the Mac how are they going to handle all that that's probably you know one of the biggest questions of how they're going to pull it off because probably one of the things I like the most about continuity is that you know the fact that why do I like my SmartWatch because I don't have to look at my phone to get my notifications and in the same way you can get your notifications and your phone calls in your Mac with out the need of going to your phone I love that you know you can just focus on work and you don't have to be pulling your phone to be responding to things i like that i agree with you i mean that's it's awesome and i put it about this earlier it means it's something we've been doing it's like the one reason you can still be happy to have google voice's that you've been able to do this kind of crap for you literally years but of course you in order to have google voice you have to put up with a bunch of stuff that that is the result of using a service that really hasn't been updated in four years so this is a very cool you know extrapolation about that but once again you have to have apple products for the stuff and what we made a phone call on stage today didn't way they actually demo doesn't yeah hey dr. grey it's just so fun I've been listening to the first album the first the chronic album for the past couple of days just because dr. great yo I used to be a victim's it's bumping is it good reason of money nothing but a G thang dude I'll tell you this it's put dre back on the radar I mean even beats was had become something more of just beast that beats the no longer the word dre it you would never hear beats by dre anywhere was just beats beats music and it's like putting the guy back into the spotlight and yeah it was it was cool to see the phone call and everything sounded fine for beta obviously we are going to have iOS 8 beta we are going to have a couple of hands-on videos very soon of everything obviously we really have to test it i don't want to make a video that just shows you oh this is it you already saw it at the keynote you can see it at the keynote of you are we actually want to try to interact with it and play with it a little and we also are going to get OS than you sympathy that's it right yeah yeah yeah sorry guys sorry uh and people butchered my name all the time and you know just see how this all works how seamless it is because you know Apple has tried to make this whole just works mentality for the longest time and some things have come out really good like I club but then mobile be was terrible so obviously we will have contested people recommended and there's there's so much other stuff packed into iOS 8 though like III I understood the reason for the version bump in this one in terms of features because we're with iOS 6 X 2 27 we had a big UI overhaul and when I saw that iOS 8 was being rumored for today I was like I don't really make any sense they just overhauled the whole UI but so this is a point jump based on feature is not based on aesthetics and the the features are are numerous and I'm like some our favorite ones here keyboard friggin what they not only just one keyboard enhancement you have right right where is the hard stuff and predictability that's exploding my mind right there I mean how long have we been waiting for that when the notification screen yeah some are putting little little custom wickets in there I mean we mentioned earlier the new API is allowing apps to talk to each other that's huge Bassam see what else other a can now be used by third-party apps we can start using that for like banking stuff to your authentication with your fingerprint yeah the new messaging features where you can just really hit stuff and all valued oh yeah yeah yeah yeah the voice messages in video right so I mean there's that kind of stuff and yeah you can mute yourself you can take yourself out of M&MS conversations that are that are that get too long and like a lot of the stuff is stuff that we've seen another platform so you have all that predictable feedback from the from the community of logos forever but who have iphones haven't been doing this forever and people who don't want to leave the iphone for another platform now have one less reason to do so so that's why this is so significant now let me let me ask you this how big like for example in my country SMS is not big how big is it in your country Oh Gino oh here here what we use is whatsapp and that's it you know and all the features that were announced for you know messaging are in what's after the longest time I mean SMS is is crucial here in the states i mean whatsapp is like when facebook but what's happened i don't not a lot of people outside the tech circles knew what the hell what's app even was you know I if people want to talk here yeah they'll use iMessage and stuff like that but SMS is still the backbone of communication and SMS has been pervasive in the US for well over a decade by this point I'm even though these other these things do offer are better features compatibility with I mean um they can deal directly with the big operating systems and then whatsapp sort of avoided that whole thing but I think most people I know still rely heavily on SMS this is the new big news to them hi May uh can I ask do we have time to throw Joey well Joe just wrap talking you through involved the conversation uh changed it God you know never I would talk to Joe because we have a Q&A asking how Google will react to uh to google i/o I know we mentioned how google voice hasn't been updated in awhile and there's sort of been this this lingering talk about some big changes to voice coming up with integration with hangouts I wonder if this might force Google's hand I mean it's probably too late by this point to make any big changes but if they were planning some news at i/o about this I think this just will EE enforced how important that's going to be so they're seen as you know staying one step ahead of Apple now yeah Google and Apple are probably at the same development point on this kind of stuff i really expect similar announcements at i/o because we've been hearing about that google voice renovation for a long time and it's got to be coming at you and and so i think we're gonna this conversation that time a you asked about like about you know what SMS versus third-party messaging service how important is it i think this is a conversation we can't fully have until we see what google has in store and i think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be big now one of the things that's interesting i don't know if you guys noticed this like for example the oh and one of the features that's coming to iOS the whole app integration from we in a one IP I from one application to the other is like for example pinterest can build their application and they can use the sharing module from Safari and allow me to share something seamlessly without it the necessity of going from app to app that's what they're doing which you've been able to do with Android for the longest time true but this is new to iOS and it is obviously optional to applications but probably one of the most interesting parts is like for example if you want to translate a web page there is no option for Google Translate you can only use big and then everything that was mentioned today was big bay no Google you know every you know they showed good they showed maps it was Iowa's maps which by the way we were expecting major enhancements to maps and none of them happened at this event unless you live in China unless you live in China definitely because I don't know why uh but you know that's that's not happening but then no Google prescence I wish Joe is here but do you guys think about that no Google what ya know Google pressings whatsoever everyone was nothing that's like with Bing search with Bing everything they only mentioned mentioned Google search once in the whole presentation yeah well I mean I think that's just further evidence of the of the giant divide between Apple and Google that's just going to keep getting bigger I mean they're their direct competitors in mobile and you know Tim Tim Cook was thrown out some some digs at Android like yeah they when they were doing the OS 10 talk they talked about Windows a little bit through a few jobs but like the fragmentation talk with Android and stuff like there you know I mean this is Apple setting itself apart from a competitor and do I feel like the enemy of my enemy is my friend you know we move was was pretty big here it's like yeah Bing is not Microsoft is not somebody we really have to worry about too much in the mobile space right now so we're going to go ahead and opted to pimp their search service rather than our more immediate indifferent the subtle jab in a way isn't it I don't know how to put it but I did quite a jab yeah now the funniest chart was when they were compelling the install base of OS 10 yeah absolutely no it's 10 Mavericks to Windows 8 i'm like well yeah it's fourteen percent of Windows PCs but multiply that by the amount of Windows species in the market compared to the amount of Max in the market I mean that chart was just completely off clearly off but you know go ahead go ahead well no no no no you your point there i mean i was gonna I was gonna move to another question from the Q&A no far away far away well I don't want to wait for Joe to get back on this one but you know this is a question that I had that I was talking to you about right before we came on the air I'm areas there is oh just just hold time all right so Joe can you hear us cuz we got a question tailor-made for you I could hear you yet yes that is awesome news we have a question from Mike enamorado in the chat asking how do you think iOS 8 will compared to android personally I believe Apple has been digging their grave with iOS 7 and many other things so that the second part you can kind of discard but I like this question how will I OS 8 compared to android I mean I Apple seems to have installed a lot of feature colleagues we do that last part again the only thing you have to focus on dro is how do you think iOS 8 will compared to android and if you want you can ditch your video feed so that your bandwidth is a little less bandwidth e narrower and thinking about it yeah bad Joe respected widget live how about all this well it's still a great time to be alive Joe ten years ago in the pain can you hear me Blake are you so yeah we can hear you but we're time traveling in order to talk to you we're talking into the past I think we have a latency probably what's written there's that yeah let's uh okay yeah go Joe we gave it the old college try we did indeed Joe I'm sorry we're gonna have to dump you man this this is a the cellular network that you're on is not able to keep up with with what's happening where we're not getting anything from me I thought you said the t-mobile network was good yeah probably probably one of the biggest questions that I want meant to ask Joe was this whole new swift programming language um I am not at the developer I am a registered developer but I happy to build my first application I'm everybody we got to answer this first question first oh sorry about that sorry because I wanted to ask Joe that other question but yeah how does it stack to Android it looks a lot like Android I mean yeah I was kind of sort of compiling a list I mean we've we've talked about a lot of it already but like you know the swapo keyboards the widgets the the enhancements to various parts the UI that I mean it with the exception of the grid as the starting point the UI you know visual differences there's there's precious little separating it from Android at this point from a sort of day-to-day usability I guess the question is is this just catching up to Andruw it or is this you know catching up and improving upon I think it is improving upon I mean if you are really into I mean this just gave you a good reason to buy a mac for example because you know your phone in your tablet will actually talk to the Mac much better than ever and you know if you're within that ecosystem you have less of an excuse to leave uh and I don't know I guess Android I wonder how well can android offer something like this outside of chrome that's a good point we don't really talk a lot about the android pc connection i mean in years past there used to be all this reliance on the pc side of softer for sinking but in recent years everything's going to the cloud and we don't really have so many users connecting their phones to their pcs for administrative tasks so much anymore maybe backing up files but that's about it so maybe apples really on to something here with really wanting all of their devices to be aware of each other and you know constantly talking to each other so that it allows for these things that we've seen with transitioning the apps from you know laptop to tablet seamlessly so maybe get right there it does have a vantage over android yeah and Joe are you there dude if you can hear me now I think I'm here now oh we can here you dude what do you think about iOS vs android now they're getting a lot closer to one another which tells me that we're moving towards more perfection in in the overall offering obviously Android now has some catch-up to do which means we're in a really great place because we have the opportunity to see some new stuff coming out coming to market hopefully sooner than later but we're also seeing that some of these features that Android has had four years now are being validated by the fact that their biggest competitors offering them and not only that but improving upon them giving kind of a more seamless interaction that Android it's been a little bit of rust on the now we have kind of a direction that we can law you can go in a way we can improve I agree Joe and we're starting to see some some Android style implementations of features here or maybe that's not the right way to phrase it maybe it's that Apple is returning to its roots as sort of a trailblazer in some of these UI things little things like the improved mail app how you yeah you could always swipe to the side for more options but now if you swipe the other way you can mark it as unread something that I do all the time stuff that like when you're drafting an email if you need to hide it real quick to look at something you can throw it to the bottom of the screen do what you need to do come back to it like it more and more OS iOS is implementing features in a very smart way to make it more useful but also without compromising its its visual sense of cleanliness you know is something that reminds me of when you're just saying there about what it's doing you're visually differentiated from Android we saw this um the introduction of people into that multitasking view I think that's incredible and you would really be who've Android to you know do something similar it's great you know it's not just the apps that you're using regularly it's the people you're talking to regularly and that's actually cool because you don't have to look for the phone application to call these people or to interact with them and you know you just simply do it from wherever you are no matter what application I think it's a cool way to use the canvas I guess think my only disappointment and we've got another question regarding widgets yeah I osa it does handle widgets but the problem is you can only handle them if there is a widget available and only from Notification Center yeah you've got this endless scroll of things they're gonna have their you can stack them up in whatever order you want but then again these aren't you know I still am disappointed with the fact that Apple wants to retain the whole UI the whole grid and not do something smarter with the endless seam of application worried it's going to get cluttered it's the problem yeah I feel the targeted art is yes it already is Joe before you before you go again probably the other question that we have here is what do you think of this new swift programming language which plants to get rid of the sea and you know just make objective is what they said at the event I'm not a developer but you are well when you talk about programming language Objective C and Java the East program in android aren't terribly dissimilar the way you write the code that languages themselves are very similar and if you can read one chances are you can read the other now that doesn't mean that you can program in one and then automatically program in the other because they're different libraries in my god Google is trying to do something with their new development environment to help simplify that helped raise it higher to the surface I think that Apple is not trying to do the same and I worry a little bit i'll be the pessimists hear that by so doing they're going to slow down people who are already developing things in objective-c and it will have to convert over we'll have to rewrite or at least slow down the developer so they have to get up to speed in this new environment telling you a joke go ahead go ahead see how effective see can live in the same app alongside Swift i believe so that might help ease the transition period yeah yeah and apples doing some very smart things don't get me wrong about that there are lots of things they're doing to mitigate that but it's still going to be a learning curve still going to be something that it's going to slow people down a little bit training is over that hump you yeah yeah once we get past that hump then things will be a lot smoother a lot faster I just hope that the people who are coding in both and who are used to both aren't going to be kind of given a disservice here by now having to do something completely different now I didn't have the streaming video available on my computer but those of you who did see it what did you think of that demo they showed with the butterflies and stuff I mean rude I was impressive I didn't say I was impressed the guy pretty much built an application in what what took him like five minutes less than five minutes he both a full pretty like a full game uh yeah it was something like that I'm not sure I kind of hopped off at that point is to start preparing for this hangout but it's uh you know I don't know I mean I I would like a buttoned-up very succinct explanation of what advantages swift the swift programming language brings to the table because I start to sort of tune out after like 15 seconds on that and I think a lot of people do and I don't know I mean I what do we think what implications does this have for the future of vaio s versus the other platforms well it's art because the end result it says something like as far as games are concerned we're going to see a better access to the hardware for lower latency of 10 times the detail was thrown around so that's something that is very real world that users can cruciate sure yeah that was the other thing that they talked about the whole metal instead of a panel opposite open jia instead of using opengl what they're using is a new rebranded version of it called metal and the whole idea is that you know your games will now be able to use more of the processor and less of OpenGL and the whole idea with that is like for example they showed us the PIPA the desktop I don't know if that's the desktop or the console version of plants vs zombies play it on the ipad over the a7 so i guess the whole concept is to try to bring more constant quality to mobile gaming i don't i don't know if you're still there Joey can probably give us a whole little idea on that well yeah so OpenGL and affect any graphics markup libraries there they're a middleman there a library they let you call things from code without having to rewrite everything so you don't have to reinvent the wheel that's one of the things that makes those environments those libraries strong is once you know that library you know it you can employ it wherever but there is overhead that goes along with that you can do things faster with your higher resolution so with Apple doing this they've essentially taken the industry standard if you will and they've reinvented it on their own to make improvements and to kind of cut out some of the overhead that's slowing things down from from an end-user perspective you're just going to see beautiful things from a developer perspective you've got to learn how to do with the new way to take advantage of it I've got a I've got a question if we can move away from from that for a second I've got a question about asking us to explain okay Siri which or hey Siri actually which is a pretty cool because when I saw this in the in the slide I was momentarily excited because you know the touchless control on the Moto X has got a bunch of us on the team pretty excited about the possibilities for controlling your device without even touching it but the handicapped here is that Siri the iphone needs to be plugged in and the use case that Apple cited is in a car if you ever plugged into a car charger you can just say hey Siri and the iphone will wake up and see you can interact with Syria just like okay Google now on the Moto X the thing is if this device needs to be plugged in and that is a hardware limitation as I understand it and guys tell me from right or wrong here that's just because there's no oh there there is our limitation the the a7 processor is I'll tell you this once it's efficient on certain things it's powerful on others but it's really power-hungry when it comes to battery life so it's not so much a harder limitation it's a usage limitation because you don't microphone dining on you exactly exactly so I guess what they're trying to do is just they're giving you the option and you know that's actually kind of cool then I mean how how often do you want to actually like for example have you had that problem Michael where you're in a room where somebody else has a Moto X and you say ok Google and both phones respond yeah because nobody has a Moto X in the world noman but the thing is like I want to use it all the time in until you've used it regularly it's tough to explain the utility of it it's sort of like something like smartwatches of wireless charging but any time I'm using a phone that's not the Moto X oh that doesn't have a similar capability it's it's like irritating because it is so incredibly useful and I was I was momentarily very stoked about it and then I was like oh wait we're we're confined by the door constrained by the chip so it has to be plugged in no just yeah for now and and uh it was you know that that was a missed opportunity of the very smallest kind I'm not criticizing here I'm just saying wouldn't it have been cool if they had said yeah and you can use a Syria and your current things and and also by the way here's this new hardware that you can say hey Siri anytime and also by the way hey iPhone 6 anyway football I think that it's I think that it's something that'll be that'll happen on I on the iphone 6 up like for example there are things i like about the a7 the phone charges in a in a blast it's like extremely fast charging um I mean I could drive from here to the gym which is like I think it's like not even more than a 10 minute drive and I could get easily fifteen to twenty percent battery charge in that little portion of a drive so there are cool things that I'm sure that what they're doing is just preparing the grounds for this to be a feature on the iphone 6 most likely yeah it sounds like just some a housekeeping question guys's might have I been frozen for like 15 minutes you're invisible right 24like really terrific well that's great news and also Joe I've had a mute you remotely just joggled a toggle your mute back and forth if you would cuz you got some background noise going on there but otherwise it's still good to have you I'm glad you've lasted this looks like a record right now Joe well I'm just audio now I'm not video either so that helped a lot yeah seriously but um okay rulers don't be what else are we mini what else are we missing uh really good question Stephen taking a look here my coverage here see what else was mentioned taking I grabbed as well here there was spotlight improvements though elcome K the new a home connectivity stuff yeah yeah that up i was hoping i didn't miss that yeah go go I don't know home kit again is the same thing as health kit if there are people interested it out there that are going to want to build applications or services that will integrate with iOS than it'll happen the problem is again this is not so iOS is not the only platform in the market it's not the only smart phone company so I don't know exactly how big of an adoption there will be for this because obviously this won't work for Android at least not initially I have a feeling that Apple's got the ear of the I didn't know exactly what companies are on the sly when I put them up there it's got a the year of some of these premium brands out there so the companies that are making the sort of things already then bring a very expensive own door locks I had a keypad or you can unlock them it was already dedicated app those new the companies that start building support for the health kit health get home kit API so I think apple will get a good share of partners interested in building the hardware for this I just don't know if there's the demand there from users right now I could like this whole connected home stuff is hanging around I mean it's been technically possible for a very long while now there's hasn't been a combination of interest in people outfitting their home with all these devices and the interest from the the phone companies to make a really comprehensive control way system from this like apples doing here it might take a couple more years before it takes off I'm feeling it's going to be at what smart watches are now but few years from now there you've got the point there I mean Joe try to remind me how far back the google announced this at Google i/o like three years ago yeah it's been a while and we haven't seen anything there but what we have seen is we've seen nest come online and release two very good product we have seen Google acquire nest so they're already moving towards that when I think we're going to see a lot of this stuff you know we talked about end-users we're talking about you and I and power users and the people who are watching this bringing in all of these very expensive devices into their home and we just don't see that the plausibility of it but the other hand we have these home security systems that are building in automation that are already building in you've got window and door sensors you've got door lock you've got cameras and whatnot they're there they're taking that part of the market that niche and that's something that now we're going to start seeing those features those those security systems and whatnot is aren't going to offer support for apple and hopefully eventually for Android so look at it from that perspective we've already got people of security systems as they upgrade they're going to be looking for this Apple certification let's see we'll see i don't know if that's gonna I don't like for example carplay name one vehicle that is driving right now with carplay and car play was announced three months ago it takes a while to come up with new cars on me no obviously you know even pioneer has has been trying to build this has been trying to build this into their current dashboards and they're having trouble with it I guess again the further to be user adoption for there to be om adoption manufacturer adoption you kind of like for example what did what did Apple do when they launched WebKit on safari initially in 2007 they had to open source said if not nobody was going to develop and WebKit that was the problem and that's the wheel that's the only way they could solve it and unless they figure out a way to create an open source platform that will allow you know these companies to build for both iOS and Android I don't see it taken off but that's my that's my opinion it's cool I just don't see it taking off it needs to be an open API so that we can do that but we've seen how api's are all of apple's chats and whatnot are not open you can't talk from Android to apple and do that very well let's hope that they do better with help and with you know one with this home fit to exactly i overall overall you know i think we are we've been on this on this hangout for a bit and we're kind of running out of time I don't know if we're missing anything to talk about because overall you know there's no hardware it's all software and if we were expecting any hardware it's going to happen in the fall design services we haven't hit yet the new photo stuff family sharing and we danced on those I found this hilarious tweet from sac uh you know he was a frequent to the pocket now live and he's like I don't want to share my stuff with my family i'm appealing here I'm like dude you've got it in that that's it's cool these are cool services but I don't you know I like that photo editing feature that's coming um it's it's cool you know it's non-destructive editing and you know it syncs all across your devices and you get the full sharing and all its cool what else did what else did well if they give it a teaser of that new OS 10 photos app that's not what you're talking about right oh yes true that that's that iOS and then the OS 10 editor is going to launch this next year but you can get it on Iowa they betta awesome ya know so the editor is one thing I'm sorry I was thinking to the OS 10 the desktop level stuff which just seems really cool because you yeah you've got like the week or whatever you can pinch down to the month and then to the year and it like arrange them in blocks and stuff is it's nothing groundbreaking but it does look really clean and I'm sad we have to wait almost a year for it i think it's it's going to be pretty cool when it when it finally rolls out but that editing stuff it was very cool to see i think the most code a most important point that was made there was like yeah we'll give you the controls that you need if you want to do manual tweaking yourself but we're also making it much easier so if you don't want to drill down to that if you just want to like play with this slider here you can see what all the individual level controls are doing some are going down some are going up but ultimately really all you need to do is do this and hey look the pictures 40 times better and it's not just some cranky later then it is not an awful lot like Google+ photos right and then their auto often so awesome exact look but I thought I found it hilarious that the guy was like you know this photo looks a little done I'm like man you're actually saying that an iphone photo is dull that's great well yeah I know but awesome like badly it was shot with backlighting and stuff like that and i like that it wasn't intentionally done but no some of that stuff looks looks really good what else is included in the on the it looks good i guess the only i'm surprised that this is not going to be part of iPhoto that they're actually launching a separate application to get this done um yeah well I mean I guess I guess that is a little surprising the right because it's going to introduce a little bit more clutter because I photos going to stick around right dude it's part of why it's part of ilife so I unless they plan to separated I don't know I don't know what they're they're planning but what other feature are we missing Stephen um I think we hit most of the big stuff here yeah it says if someone was asking us to compare this one got a little bit of traction I kind of like this question we talked about it a little bit in the coding but better graphics and games you know I think some people seem to be interested in whether iOS devices really need that level of gaming support and it would be my argument that you I think I os's yeah iOS is also like the forerunner in in offerings on in terms of mobile gaming you know yes Android has I don't know what the title disparity is but Android certainly has a lot of games but iOS has always been the platform where if you want to do mobile gaming and if you want your if you're interested in the titles that come out first like iOS is where to be so I don't think there's anywhere else you could put great gaming resources but on iOS yeah this is like cementing apples position even if they had no waiver in recent years with Android getting you know more titles has been less excusive things this could help out all you know get back some of that they gaming gravitas as it were it could be kids I guess my biggest question is how will I os8 and i can't wait for the beta to be available to download it how will it affect battery life that's like the biggest question that I have because it's pointless for for you to be able to do so many things with your phone and have so much graphics integration if the a7 chip is anything but it's anything but efficient it just it's anything but efficient so obviously this will have to narrow down to yes you have all this extra capability but what's the point of your battery is going to die in three hours I think yeah and my girlfriend's telling with a similar issue right now with her old iphone it seems like that's always the case like I always see this this obsolescence rear its head and in the older generations seemingly more severely than I see it elsewhere I mean crappy android phones sure but I don't know it's just maybe it's because I phones are more prevalent but I am always seeing I phones that are not that old and performing really really poorly particularly in terms of battery life and I really like to see that change at some point speaking of obsolescence any thoughts on the lack of support for the iphone for this time around its feelings anyone i use an iphone 4 in my car music and i'm just happy that it's not you know it performs terribly with iOS 7 if we have time guys for for just a couple more really quick ones like 11 liner answers i think this is a cool one finally interactive notifications android doesn't have it integrated with the OS your thoughts please i don't really know what that means but the notifications that come down from the screen and from the top of the screen and iOS 8 where it's like oh I can act on this notification right here if it's a fly straight away yeah even if it's just a like if it's a Facebook comment on your wall and you can just tap like and then you can throw it away like I think that is really cool stuff and it's significant and we should recognize it because Notification Center hasn't really been an all-star feature of iOS for a long time it's just kind of been this cluttered mess you know like it's being used more intelligently now you can do it a certain extent with Android you know after jellybean you can you know extend the notification and reply to something but you're still takin to the app right cool the cool thing is here you won't have to go to the app you know I think that that's probably like one of the biggest things that we've wanted I OS to fix for the longest time not having to jump through apps and apps and apps and I guess somebody else tweeted there you know it's it's it's hilarious how Apple is no longer using the whole motto of there's an app for that because now the operating system the operating system kind of does things without the need of you jumping to the application because by the way the way Notification Center work is it's not really the application is not really notifying you it's the server so this is all working on the server without the need of waking the application up which is cool I think is also noteworthy to talk about this in the sense of innovation because you can argue that notification center has always been something that's been a big catch up game for Apple it was extremely late to the game with this and now it's doing things that's going to make Android users a little jealous to see this smooth really tight ability to to interact with these and like to say even not even get replying is hitting a quick like and it's it saves you maybe a second or two each time you do it but over the course of a day how many indications do you get this is going to mean no actual benefits to users either I'm just checking out the the the other kind of the QA here I was looking for my final question here and I was momentarily distracted by by the question about what potato you're using for your webcam stiva just telling me I was this close to buying make this decade webcam maybe next time pronounce nugget a quarter vga I want to say in in the in general and this will be my last my last comment about the QA some we have some great questions that we have been able to get to it some of them are more general not to worry the pocket out live will be back at some point and we'll be able to talk about anything you want to talk about soon at some point i think i may do you want to do you want to take us home here yeah i think we should we should start wrapping up I you know there is a lot that's coming with iOS 8 I again Stephen I'm surprised we were able to cram everything into one post and make sure you visit parking now rather than that because it's the full rundown of everything that was announced I am surprised that for the first time you know iOS is you know they tell you in every previous event they would be like we have 200 new features but then they only went through five today they didn't have enough event to cover everything in to the extent I feel that these are good changes these are positive changes I'm disappointed that there was no hardware I'm disappointed personally you know with the certain of the announcements but you know before I go through my final thoughts why don't we start with Joe before we lose you do unmute you want me to unmute now if you can hear me yeah yeah yeah we can even what so what are your final thoughts specially from an Android perspective do you think that Google needs a big hand with google i/o in the next coming weeks no absolutely you know we've seen and it's gonna sound a little bit redundant but we've seen very good improvement on the androids notification shade we've seen some of the stuff that you can do with the new you know the new iOS 8 stuff but man they leap from this big time and it's awesome and it's great and now Google's got to play catch-up I don't think we're going to do SDKs and stuff at Google i/o we'll see but that Apple guys we got some catching up to do interesting interesting how about you mr. Fisher what do you think you know I wasn't necessarily expecting new hardware so I wasn't overly disappointed there's plenty of 2014 left I think we will see the the iWatch before the end of the year and I think there'll be a time for that but this needed this was here to lay the foundation for that and for where iOS is going in the future and I really think this has I think this has done a lot for the iOS versus Android relationship but i also am I can't help but think about what what the hell windows phone is going to do because we know Microsoft and i don't mean overall like I'm not say I'm not being gloom and doom about the future of Windows Phones existence on saying is we know microphone Microsoft is not the fastest company to innovate on their mobile platform and Windows Phone 8.1 is great but now it's it's behind in a number of way in a number of additional ways it's not even out in your availability yet right this is this is a concern I mean legitimately this is something something I'm worried about and I think it's um I think there are probably a bunch of meetings going to be held and I really hope that in that camp we see some faster development because all this does is remind me of the things I don't have on on what is otherwise my frankly my preferred platform which I like a lot so I think this I just hope this serves as kind of a kick in the pants to Microsoft and a you know get up and and get get back to work kind of thing you know it and it's sad to see Joe jump off obviously most likely because he didn't want to oh but you know my final question to you Michael because there was this big banner at WWDC at the moscone center saying Samsung prepare your photocopier was it Korea or so I think whoa whoa really i didn't see that repair your photocopier so you know you you're pretty much like out of the people that are in this hangout i haven't used the gs5 i only had it had some time with you know hands on and everything but what do you think you know from your perspective using the gs5 using the the one m8 um will this finally make you want to pull out the iphone 5c and use it for a couple of weeks no no not me personally just because of that one aesthetic change that was not made that we talked about before the you know the the launchpad for all your activities on iOS is still you know the unremarkable grid of stuff and sorry that's too bright another overexposed but you know what i mean it's it and it's still I'm still confined to a 4-inch display and it's going to be a great new keyboard but it's still it's just too small still so I'm going to wait it's going to take some new hardware and maybe a iOS 8 dot one to get me to to maybe jump over for a daily driver but that's just me and I'm just answering a personal question so right take that as my thoughts for how everyone should behave thank you for that man what's your what about you Stephen from an industry perspective how do you see iOS 8 yeah I was really pleased what we saw today um a lot of the changes had been revealed through leaks but way more than that was new stuff to us and I think the most important thing about this everything seemed genuinely useful and really there's nothing controversial about this with ios7 you had this new look to convince people that they needed at this you know flattening of the OS was a change that they would learn to love nothing iOS 8 I don't think it's going to cause anyone to think well I'm not sure Apple needs this it's actually the right way to go they're just gonna you know swoop this up and embrace it and I mean really it's all Apple needed right now which helps them to keep their lead in the u.s. to try to make some inroads on Android abroad um I don't really care that we didn't get any new hardware it'll come eventually but really great stuff out of the WWDC today very pleased with what we saw cool cool you know i'm i'm mixed i am said that there is no hardware but I guess my final thoughts are you know ever since the launch of iOS 7 even though there are bugs in the operating system that we never saw before there is this level of functionality that keeps being added to iOS that didn't exist before and I guess that this this you know extra features like being able to respond to a message without having to jump into an application have a smarter way to multitask have a smarter way to contact to reach your contacts you know for those of you that haven't used airdrop please stop you know comparing the whole bluetooth file sharing you know compared to iOS you know airdrop just blows anything out of the water once you give it a try so Apple keeps adding functionalities that Android had been adding they've just been doing it in the smarter fashion and certain things and in a not smarter fashion and others so yeah just like Steven I am I'm impressed by certain of the things that are coming with iOS um I will definitely have a hands-on coming very soon again just give us some time to be able to actually try these things you know just to tell you yeah these things are cooler these things you're not because it's pointless for us to just show you we just what you just saw it the events will definitely have a hands-on very sumos once we dig into this very well yeah and to that point I may there there's there's there's already a flood of coverage out there you are welcome to to partake in it and some of it is really really excellent as usual we are we are not first to the table with everything so I've been dealing with a tweeter to look what's with pocket those coverage or it's like well we're busy doing this and then we have to do our hands-on zand stuff so don't worry it's coming but you know tell me it but we again we we don't everybody can just show you what's come on anybody could just flip up a camera and tell you what you already saw at the keynote we want to really attach these things and tell you what things are useful what things are not and you can expect that coming very soon so overall thank you very much mr. Fisher for for joining the Hangout thank you very much Steven it was a pleasure talking to everyone of you into all of our viewers thank you for your Q&A your questions again sadly we can't go through everything because we are very short on time and we've got a ton of editorials the talk about we we are going to go into a detailed comparison with Windows Phone and Windows which Adam land is preparing so prepare your guns for that and then you know Joe is definitely going to give us a glimpse of how things stand up for Andrew you already heard his opinion right now and definitely you can expect our hands on videos coming very soon and more on the pocket out daily today and on the pocket met weekly by the end of this week is yes we do have a lot of a lot to talk about but the podcast will be the best place for you to hear and so stage everything I need you to be on the podcast time is a plan for it yes yes I will I will so ever everybody thank you very much for joining and we will talk to you very soon bye-bye thanks everybody take care