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the thirst is real for the pixel 3 and the pixel 3 XL but part of the reason why we are so anticipating this phone is not just because it's the next pixel but it's because we start to see that people actually have them already someone explain to us what's going on here I mean it seems like the phone is already on sale but before we get into the pixel 3 XL we're going to talk a little bit about Huawei's a little bit of a flub up in terms of their future phones and how they take their selfie photos after all an ad came out and there's a little bit of controversy around it also on this show we're going to talk about what the iPhones might be able to do this year considering that the iPhone 10 seems to be becoming popular again and there's a Nokia phone the best one you can get out there these are all questions that may or may not be answered but there is one thing that we can't answer for you it's how we feel so far about the poco phone el Poco Loco as it were hello everybody and welcome to episode 3 1/9 of the weekly brought to you by pocket now and xda-developers on this day the 23rd of august 2018 from smartphones to tablets to wearables and so much more these are all the things that you dreamed of having since you were a kid so let's go ahead and get talking I am your host for the weekly it's Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody and joining us today is as it says here in my jewels written scripts mr. positivity himself Brandon minimun how's it going Brandon hi why am i mr. positivity you kind of hard to be honest mr. power of positivity over there I've never seen you without a smile on your face personally awesome I appreciate that and I try ah exactly on this episode as well we have uh also a pretty special guest who is celebrating his 10th anniversary at pocket now this very week and Tandy Negi how's it going Anton it is us and thank you very much for having me good morning good afternoon and good evening everybody it's been a little while since we've seen each other huh it's been like three or four months we started to talk about that before we went on here whenever we were in in Korea for the g7 launch yeah exactly that was a really fun time too it was and finally we have our producer back in the booth we missed you last week so yes I'm glad to be here and I got that polka phone just as much as you do Josh so we're on the side and like I said this is my Jules written script here so it says here the poco pushing podcast producer Jules walk come on yeah all right so we're gonna we're gonna check in with our panel more in the midpoint of our show so we're gonna get straight into the news right now there's actually quite a lot to talk about and as usual with every week in the world of smartphones there's quite a bit of speculation but what is interesting about this first story is that we're actually getting some examples of what we're speculating on and that either pisses us off or it makes us more excited the pixel 3xo just keeps appearing in the flesh and people are taking pictures of it on subways and then this new piece of information came out from Russia Russian site rosetta I really think I've said that wrong apparently obtained a fully furnished pixel 3xl package and of course it was from an anonymous source but we're gonna just say Google probably and they claim that Google lost track of an entire shipment of finished devices but this is the one that they've gone ahead and unboxed we get a really good look at everything that is in the box with the pixel 3 Excel as well as the phone itself now we'll talk about the design of the phone in a little bit but I want to get some quick reactions or rather just some reactions from all of you about just this phone in general why you think these leaks are happening so much and if you're excited about not just the phone but also the content contents of the box because I have a couple things I want to say about that let's start off with Amazon since it's your first show back in a bit thank you and the being my 10th anniversary can I allow can I be allowed to be off script just for a couple of seconds Jules could you do me a favor and and lock the camera on you for a second on me on you yes so so this is this is what I see when I'm looking at Jules now can you lock the camera on me please you're getting one of these and it's not necessarily for your hair my friend yeah this is the we're going to shave they were going to have this what's the brand on that hashtag she that my my freakin camera here now it's huge I get it's lovely but I like I'm talking right over it and I have to put those plosives out there and without this dead cat then they'd be just flying all over the place and your ears would be boggled so I mean if you were necessities sake but I totally get it I would love to have that Gillette's blade come over and just this spot guest is not being sponsored by Gillette so let's move on to the pixel free I don't know if the reports are true and there's any indication that there might be true apparently Google has lost an entire shipment of pixel free phones finished phones I'm not sure how one can misplace or lose an entire shipment that's that's the rumor out there if it's true we might see these of course pop up on eBay or on other sites which are selling phones and we might see even reviews of a phone which has not yet been announced at all or it will be announced in a couple of months as of whether I'm excited or not about the pixel 3 XL or the pixel 3 at this point in time I think it's too late for me to become anything you've similar or close to you excited because we feel or at least I personally feel that I already know this phone so well I've seen it I've seen it I know what's what's inside it and no I don't like that huge notch but I can live with it that's not the problem I have that feeling which I usually have after using the phone for a couple of weeks or months that this brings no more joy and excitement to my life because that particular period of no honeymoon phase is over and it's funny because it was a honeymoon without actually being a honey like that phantom feeling of knowing a phone without I mean you've seen obliques who's going off the rumours benchmarks and whatnot but it's just you don't have in your hand and you know but we know enough from past experience because of course rosette CAD decided to take a whole bunch of photos and publish a sample online looks pretty similar to what the pixel two was able to put out and from what we've been able to say about it that's been very nice single click on the back mm-hmm yeah single camera on the back but we mentioned the notch a little bit and what I kind of wanted to ask in terms of just the design that we've seen through these leaks and through these spotted in the wild photos that we've had so you have the pixel two and then you have the pixel two XL it seems that the XL is though if you correct me if I'm wrong but of course we don't know if I'm wrong because the phone's not even out yet but the pixel pixel 3xl potentially is the one with the notch while the smaller ones just gonna retain this design more or less how is that why not put the notch on the smaller one in order to get a little bit more screen real estate that's something that kind of perplexes me I think they're trying to I'm not sure who is manufacturing the pixels this year whether it's LG HTC or somebody else but they're definitely manufacturing them by Google's direct and strict instructions I think that Google is trying to cater to both audiences I mean the the notch the notch has been the most polarizing topic of the past two or three years in the smartphone business and there are people who love it there are people who hate it and there are people who just go with it regardless and I think that with this and I'm not sure that there will be any other difference between its you can say for some minimal aspects they're trying to cater to both audiences and as such booster sales before I head into the I was actually gonna go to your Brendan go for it yeah yeah it's so funny because in the last like two weeks I've been messaging people in the industry and saying like hey Jaime I've been feeling very upset about the design of the pixel 3 Excel I think that not just too big and then it occurred to me and and I and I mentioned this last week that there's probably a reason for the knotch being so big and for the pixel 3xl having it in the pixel 3 not and I think the reason is face ID I think that Google is copying the future that Apple introduced last year and in order to do that you need extra hardware whether it's an extra camera or an infrared flood illuminator and it makes sense that they would put it on the Excel model and not the regular model because that's a more premium feature so I think that the knotch is big for a reason I think it's a touch ID competitor not touch ID face ID so that's what I think about the the big notch but it does upset me but it's for a reason better idea I mean in Google picks law already wins it because the iPhone 10 doesn't have it and yeah this would happen which is probably the number one thing that I really missed from the iPhone 10 personally but we're not even getting into any of that hopefully the face ID competitor is going to be pretty compelling especially coming from the Google side of things though face unlock has been around in Android for a little while already so it's not as if there's a huge leap happening there there's just gonna be a bit of extra technology that makes it better I suppose but there's one thing I wanted to mention before I move on to our next topic if you look at the contents of the box am I the only one that absolutely adores the fact that it comes with pixel buds style ear buds that are USBC I just I really loved the rope hook design of the pixel but I'm probably the only one but I like this a lot I mean well it's kind of hard to tell from the picture here that we were provided it's white so anything kind of or slick if it's white but I mean the general bud style of that extra hoop with the plastic little plaid thing like I don't know how that feels for you it may have been the best fit for you but I've been hearing a lot of critical response against that design and so I mean you know take your pick air pods or anything else that are on the market just kind of you never really get a win a definitive win in this category I was frightened I'm sorry good I'll just go say Brandon's gonna Brandon's title of mr. positivity I'm giving it a run for its money cuz I I loved it liked it a lot that's to me that's such a quirky and interesting way of creating a hook design in an earbud and I just that's the reason why I liked it so much and it didn't it didn't hurt me at all I know some people found it uncomfortable but anyway Tony you were saying I was locked on this picture ever since I saw it and I was looking at the email address on those headphones and I was just checking literally whether the google.com domain actually exists its redirects to Google so somebody is either toying with us or somebody made a huge typo I'm not sure what's going on there but if anything from that picture that particular email address I found fishy because if that's a Google email address and it's a typo then that person is going to be probably in in the beep or if if it's not then somebody is really really playing with us yeah definitely and speaking with speaking of people just playing us all over the place okay so we do have to move into a huawei story that might seem a little bit familiar I I love what this happens because it gives you sort of a sneak peek and see like the marketing 101 that these companies have and whether or not you're actually very upset about the fact that Huawei seems to have doctored in a very very obvious way the front-facing selfies of their phones there's an ad that came out in Egypt for the huawei Nova 3 and in the ad there's someone taking several selfies with the phone and their significant other well that's significant other this lovely lady who went on to social media and posted some behind the scenes photos of how they did this ad kind of gave the forum away like just just remain with this selfies looks so good didn't they this is the part that that is so incredulous to me because I looked at I watch the ad and obviously the ad is available on YouTube you can see it for yourself and it's also available at the Oracle pocketnow.com but what you'll see is this photo on the person's Instagram showing behind the scenes of the gentleman holding his hand out with nothing in it and his hand is right next to the actual camera lens kind of like this if you're watching the logo that's that's a nice that sets a nice selfie judgment so somehow it takes on this one but also like yeah okay we we obviously understand smart phones being reviewers but also as consumers don't we also understand as general consumers that no selfie looks that good so why is it that some people would get upset at this real without realizing that it's a marketing strategy why would you suspend disbelief that this selfie looks that good when none of them ever looked that good in the first place even on a pixel but anyway general thoughts on this little controversy you know how they have how Apple has billboards on the side of major roads and in like Times Square billboard the size of it's really really big you know what I mean yeah exactly do you really and it says like shot on iPhone and it's like a scene of a mountain do you really think that that picture was taken on an iPhone there's no way it's not it needs to be like hundreds of megapixels right so like this happens all the time I don't know why people would get upset about it I mean I'm sure the front-facing camera on the Nova 3 is quite serviceable especially if you have good lighting and you're not ugly but like this is just so common why is it a surprise yeah it's all about add traits I mean we've seen a lot of this you know behind the scenes for food where you stick a cotton ball soaked in water and you heat it in the microwave and then they place it behind a bowl and then it begins with steaming ball food like they use these little tricks to demonstrate or vocal ''tis of the product or to demonstrate a feature of that product in in lieu of actually having the product for one reason or another maybe the production unit has not been made available to the ad crew or something like that so you make do and I don't think it's entirely fair that every single time we go after a company for these tactics like there there are some things that should be scrutinized like if they're making a specific performance performance points and they're using comparatives one-on-one comparisons of devices like that should be really taken into v that should be looked at very very closely other than that I really don't see anything here yeah well Anton you you wrote you broke the news on this one and you also got updates from Huawei themselves yeah seven format sure but I want to just do a short no trip down memory lane it was 2012 and I was back then just a senior editor at Pocket now I was covering Aoife in Berlin for for the 2012 edition and it was late in the evening because my post went up at 3:00 something the Eastern Time which translates to like 10 p.m. in in Berlin when I saw the first Lumia I'm not even sure what kind of Lumia and that was when there was a clear reflection of Nokia or Nokia's ad team using a professional camera rig to film a video presentation or a video and which was claimed to be filmed on that particular not yet and if my memory serves that was the first instance where we saw either a company or an advertising company mislead us this way and ever since then it's become a trend now I'm not saying I'm not saying I approve this I'm in the post I even said that I'm not even sure this was who always decision maybe just yet production company went the extra mile he wanted to make a great ad and and that's pretty much it but yes Huawei reached out to me just like minutes after posting a particular article and they sent me two updates first one was a translation from arabic arabic i'm sorry to english which was a disclaimer at the end of the ads saying that let me not misquote that the product images and contents are provided for reference only and then the second update was that the purpose of this advertisement is to demonstrate how consumers can use the features so it's basic marketing talk of a company that knows they messed up even if it's not the direct mess up but they're now trying to just sue them or change the conversation a little bit yes they did it people didn't before people will did it after them I'm not reading too much into this but I personally disagree with this kind of advertisements hmm yeah I think I think that there are very valid arguments for why this this level of I'll use the word trickery is is used and wasn't there another wall we won cuz I was I was on it I was on a different show other day and they has talked about how huawei used it was while we write that you just stock images and doctored those that actually kind of made me mad because when I when I when I see that like you're literally taking someone else's work and making it your own like that's something that really upsets me as a creator in this case yes it's deceiving because it's not the phone itself but they go through the actual process of creating the ad which to me is okay that part is okay there's a creation aspect to it but in the other in the other case where they use the stock photo that's just straight copying that's just straight taking away that that one I really didn't like and this one relates to this kind of thing yeah definitely exactly so while the the trickery is deceiving and it's not something that we're all I would say probably everyone here is not really in support of this kind of practice at the same time like I really the only person I really feel bad for is the actress who now no longer will ever work with Huawei ever again that's really my one my one piece of sadness from this oh my be so sadness is a little bit bigger larger it it can be basically summed up to a simple thought we are in the business and we are watching the business closely so we know what we're talking about and we spot bullshit when we see it but my my mother your sister is watching an ad on TV or on YouTube says oh my God look at the selfies this photo is creating or snapping and they go by that phone and they snap selfie after selfie after selfie a hundred selfies later they return the phone because it's bad to get a new on a replacement and it's still bet now should I sue the company for a misleading ad or should I never buy anything from the particular company or should I just give it a pass this is my main dilemma because we cannot be influenced but a typical average not well informed user can really be influenced by this well you know grandma who just bought the Nova three should have asked her grandson who is in the industry grandson what phone should I get I like Nova three looks great should I buy and I saw the ad and then you'd be like grandma no why don't you get an iPhone or a Samsung Galaxy S 9 which has a fantastic front-facing camera and regardless of what phone you get make sure there's enough light on your beautiful face before you take the picture or else it won't work no sir leave it you can create a better phone than that just by alchemy also grandma what are you doing in Egypt all right so yeah thoughts aside on advertisements like this maybe we will end up seeing more of this happen because there is another phone that while we is slated to announce in the coming months and we are getting as usual leaks galore on this kind of thing so the meet 20 in May 2000 made twenty light whatever you want to kind of speculate might be getting announced or released the guys over at xda-developers commissioned and published renders of them a twenty based on new details and photographs that the outlet that you guys obtained from an anonymous source now the device itself does have what you might be able to call a teardrop knotch it'll be more like the essential phones where it's really only housing the camera and then speaking of cameras on the rear there is an l-shape of three different cameras so you're still getting three much like on the p20 pro but they're in a different configuration now any thoughts or any excitement over the mate twenty especially considering what we've seen in the p20 earlier this year Antone's really yes i'm really always super excited about the full flagship from Huawei because that sets the tone for whatever we're going to see next it's gonna have the new Kiran processor is gonna have advancements and it's gonna probably reuse all the cool stuff from the people he Pro I agree with most of the renders which have been published with a tear drop thing with with removing the fingerprint scanner and button finally from the front of the phone what I do not agree with and I'm gonna argument it is the back of the phone and that particular placement of the lenses I'm probably 100% sure that the main 20 in its Pro iteration not maybe that not the 20 or the 20 light but the pro will have three cameras but just think about it for a second there's a reason why why cameras have to be aligned because regardless if they are horizontal or vertical there's a difference in the vantage point in the angle at which the camera is looking at you and if you're looking from this perspective and the other camera is looking just on an X or Y axis from a different point that can be corrected but if the vantage point is different on both axes that's hard to correct because you're gonna have one snapshot from here and one from here and that cannot be corrected so that's that's the only thing that I'm objecting to the I'm excited yes of course I'm excited I hope I get the chance to go to the unveiling which historically happened in Germany for the past two years and I'm really close yeah oh yeah that would be really fun I think I agree with you on the parallax situation it's going to be harder to correct for nonetheless I mean Google and other tech companies are finding new ways every single day to figure out what to do with their cameras so perhaps we might see that correction to the future so but I don't think that's we're here at this stage right now in any case I don't think in in terms of that like that line of thought would be really for a hybrid product like if all three cameras were used that wants to take a picture and I don't see that happening with this setup I think it's gonna be most useful if we see that 41 Magus or whatever like large-format megapixel sensor as the sole kind of that odd one out as opposed to the whatever the traditional ones that might be on one side because like we see we see about me 10 no P 20 Pro the opposition with regular and then we got the big biggie like you know like a hero well there you go I'm showing it off yeah let me take it out of the case it's AB less than me to put a case on this it is I saw one recently the by the way the Ukraine with one of my friends like he was turning around he was as lovely and we had some great beers with it too in any case yeah like I don't see that going into a hybrid product for imagery that's all I don't know I feel like I feel like there are some instances where multiple cameras or multiple lenses multiple sensors whatever you want to call it are use together and I agree Anton that that the just even just the millimeters of off access could end up making things a little bit difficult but and but maybe like a slash huawei's engineering is gonna find a way to make that work i thing is though I don't like it either but not even just for that reason I just don't like how that looks yeah they're in an L shape but then you have the flash right there so it's like I don't know it's just as big and you know what these renders great that they even exist it just makes it seem like it's gonna be this bulbous back it's gonna be moto Z like almost and I don't want that at all like this you you're required I'm just gonna pop up the Moto zz3 real quick which my review is almost done by the way it's gonna be out on PocketNow soon so stay tuned for that but this this humpback here like you need a style cover to make this make sense and I don't like that and if the if the p20 Pro or whatever the case may be has this large hump on the back I'm not gonna be happy about that whatsoever the Brandon any thoughts on this it also has by the way speaking of high-end features for the flagship from Huawei forty-two hundred million power battery I mean I just saying that could be a lot that could be amazing um yeah I'm also kind of made uncomfortable by the l-shaped triple camera system but actually you know what I'm starting to realize this triple camera thing is like a thing and it's gonna stay I don't know if you guys saw the leak for the v40 that's another triple camera system arranged horizontally which actually I think looks awesome very badass I don't think that through the fact that the cameras are arranged like an L are a problem for taking pictures I can i they can fix that probably very easily with soft just compensate for the for the distance but this triple camera thing is a thing and I just hope that you know the OCD and me wants them to be aligned vertically or horizontally not in an L shape I mean why don't they put them in a triangular shape can you imagine looks like Brainiac yeah the Lightning l16 has been mentioned many times in this podcast oh my goodness I am NOT going to go further than that also you know what would have been helpful here if we got on George Georgia de Burgh Dooley who wrote up the original article on this but unfortunately but I think I don't think he's available right now maybe I'll talk to him later oh sorry go for it I was just about to say one thing to your point Brendon yes I I agree with you and apparently analysts agree with you as well I posted something yesterday it was analysts reports industry sources all the kind of pieces I hate writing because I don't trust analysts and Industry sources but the trend has been set and I think that as you mentioned everybody will follow and as that particular report mentioned triple cameras will become and standard moving forward on flagship smartphones just like double-double cameras are now is yes sir and it took the first double camera that mattered was the iPhone 7 plus which was 2016 so took about two years just like the fingerprint sensor with the iPhone 5s took about two years for you know all of the major manufacturers to follow that so what's interesting about the triple camera thing just as a final note about that is that it's not it's not Apple leading the way it's it's Huawei and Huawei has a lot of influence but then again when did Apple lead the way in in in technological advancements but is it doing it it's always Apple doesn't lead but it does it better and yes has it been able to argue this points in recent times with its double camera feature it makes a lot of sense yeah it makes a lot of sense to be the second person to step on on ice just to see if it breaks under the first person so it makes sense to do it that way and it doesn't means Apple is a follower but it has been proven that whenever Apple does something second or third they not actually do it better but they find a way to make it more exciting and useful more appealing to the public that's more mainstream yes maybe one of these days we'll do a deep dive instead like what we would prefer out of our smartphone cameras I will just put down two quick things number one more wide-angle please and speaking of which if we're going to put a lot of work in the rear cameras and even adding more cameras to the back why don't we put this level of work into the front-facing camera I can't the number one thing that I hate in any smartphone is a too narrow front-facing camera I'm a blogger and if you can only see this when I take a photo on the run facing camera I need to be able to show more like this that's all you need to see and that's not like this little of format of like the face if the vlog actually just masked my face and tracked it and normalized its motion it's a video log not of not a perfect solution for you Josh I got the perfect solution back in I don't know what it was I since I've reviewed most of the Sony Xperia phones and pocket now I of course reviewed the Xperia z5 premium which was the first 4k smartphone and I had the mirror finish it was a breeze to take selfies with the back camera because it was mirror on the back so you basically come easily freeing herself that's your that sort of the logging phone my friend yeah I would love to check I would love to try that out and and little things like that little details like that just me just matter to me and I like phones that actually pay that attention just a little a little bit of trivia what was the firt what was the first and only phone do have oh is on the front-facing camera HD haha which you know what I loved like that level of detail it's it's it's something that is very did something that's not really found in front-facing cameras too often these days and it should ok we were talking about dual cameras earlier and we were talking about the iPhone let's talk about the iPhone 10 a little bit so some analysts in the tech world can can usually see when a phone is going to get really popular especially when it's at its release but it seems like a lot of them were the most part a little bit wrong about the iPhone 10 it did not sell like hotcakes like they expected however it seems that the sales of the iPhone 10 are kind of on an upward trend which is kind of the worst time for it to happen because a new iPhone is slated to be announced in the next couple of months the whole situations that no one can agree on what's actually happening with iPhone sales because we see the supply chain reports say oh you have so many parts left in these bins what are we going to do with them and then you have Apple which goes on you know every earnings call to say the iPhone 10 has outsold every other model every week in your entire life that's the dissonance that we are seeing here and it's kind of crazy to be talking about this especially as the numbers might have disappointed analyst a bit but the general kind of feeling and flow of the iPhone 10 has been that it's fairly popular and to hear this new street the research house analysts talk about how this popularity of the iPhone 10 which is said to be going out of production sin and to make way for the new iPhones is going to have this popularity bump is going to have a negative impact both for the currents well the upcoming year as well as the year after that so in the 2019 fiscal year for Apple which starts in the holiday quarter they I believe the number is 10% lower revenues below the consensus consensus of Wall Street and then for 2020 earnings per share is gonna go down 6% below average projections so that's the summary for that um I don't know how to really feel about that I mean could this be a good could this be a strategy moving forward that when you release a phone you're expecting a year later for it so it actually it know because our smart we've been saying that our smart phones are getting really good so obviously like people are still using the let's say Galaxy s8 to great effect you know and the iPhone 10 could be a very relevant phone it just takes a while for it's actually stick obviously this is wishful thinking on the part of the company to be able to do that kind of strategy but maybe that's what's happening with the iPhone 10 I think I think there's there's a lot of logic and common sense behind what's happening with the iPhone 10 which I cannot say for what the analyst says and let me address both of them I think that the iPhone 10 is selling well particularly at this moment in time because of two reasons number one we knew from the get-go that the iPhone 10 will be an anniversary edition it will be the 10 year of iPhone and Apple will probably discontinue it after producing the initial batch which instantly boosted its resale value number two since we are so close to the new iPhones the iPhone 10 is becoming cheaper and cheaper to purchase so more and more people who wanted to buy them the first place are looking at the iPhone 10 now so that explains a boost now towards the end of the cycle for a phone which Apple will no longer do ever the iPhone 10 is unique that's the explanation as far as the analyst and the report is going it doesn't make sense in my mind to say that the new iPhones will not sell because the old iPhone was popular it's like saying the note 9 will sell less because the note 8 was popular it doesn't make sense in my mind that my logic and my brain is just breaking into if somebody can explain this to me please go ahead but I don't find any logic in this I mean you know it depends on how many how many people in the upgrade pool the eligible upgrade pool have been able to say alright this is what I want and I'm gonna go with it for the next 24 to 30 months or whenever the next upgrade is and whenever that never kind of you know it always goes up and down but you know if there's been an average if there's been an aberration in the trend going up then that's kind of what they used to tell so perhaps that might be the situation we're dealing with I'm not exactly sure in terms of the iPhone 10 itself I mean we've been looking forward to the iPhone 9 I've been calling it some people have been calling it the iPhone a 10 ass or like no no the LCD model is what we're talking about here and no I'm sorry I'm just confusing myself here because there let me let me take it over so the we've had the 8 and the A+ it will make sense knowing Apple to have the 8s and the 8's plus but Apple already has an iPhone set so the discussion is whether we will have an 8 s and we will have a 10 s we will have a 9 it doesn't really matter these are the 2018 iPhones regardless if it's gonna be the iPhone 25 or the iPhone 44 the question is why shouldn't people purchase the new iPhone because the iPhone sin is popular and again I'm stressing this no I was about to say at the 5.8 inch model has been told by many many sources rumors and otherwise that it will be the exact it will be identical even down to dimensions to the iPhone 10 if there's a poet screen if they're 5.8 inch screen it's gonna have new internals of course which but like does that really a what's the meaning to that though what is everything except it's not the iPhone 10 it's not the anniversary edition and it's not a so-called limited edition phone which to many including to me means a lot because just the same way I've held on to my 808 PureView and my 920 and I might 2010 20 all the phones which are milestones means something to either their owners their users or the company so I think that the iPhone 10 is in a situation Apple is it a situation with the iPhone 10 where they can say years and years later that that was the 10th anniversary and people loved it not because of the AMOLED screen or because we remove the touch ID home button but because it was the 10th anniversary of the iPhone that's the one that's going to get into the glass case right Brendan yeah go for it yeah just to jump in real quick one way to understand the popularity of a device is to very simply look around you and I don't know about you guys but I I noticed that when the iPhone 10 came out of the end of 2017 and the first half of 2018 I barely saw the phone but now I see it pretty frequently maybe because as Tony says the prices are going down people are realizing that it's a special addition but I think it's just because people were waiting to see you know if it's any good so the early adopters kind of picked it up in the in the end of 2017 early 2018 and now they're out in the wild enough for like Grandma to be like oh that looks cool and and I haven't heard my grandson complain about that phone so I'm gonna get that phone and so sales kind of accelerate as there are more phones in the field and more people buy them because it's like advertising and one more thing when when the iPhone sent launched Brendan it was the first and the only mainstream phone which had a one thousand dollar price tag now there are at least your three others so the shock factor the the wow factor the surprise factor is no longer a deciding factor on whether I'm going to buy that or not of course I'm going to go for an iPhone ten one year later to just purchase it for 750 instead of 1,000 at launch day but it is no longer the only 1000 dollar phone out there and I'm not talking the about the Lamborghini enroll suite citizens and so on in the world one more thing and that's you know even price has less to do with it these days I know that so very few people unfortunately go buy phones that are on sale just for the fact that you know sales only have an end resort period but like they're looking for bargains they're looking for depreciation because that's what time does and they might be searching you know like different markets or even market places such as swap ago to swap calm to trade if you look at the replug that blog or no plug you're right I mean even before we looked at swap Oz listings I have personally written about a report saying that the iPhone 10 is about the only phone which is retaining more than 75 to 80 percent of its resale value so that that's and that has to mean something and not necessarily to those who own it but to the rest because I can easily ask $400 for my phone if nobody's gonna pay that but if somebody's willing to pay 80% of its original value then it means that the perception the wide perception is in agreeance with that and whether you have an iPhone 7 8 or 10 when the iPhone the next iPhone gets announced the prices on all of those will plummet so like you know it is a good time to sell yeah definitely wouldn't it be nice though if we were having conversations as deep as this that we have with the iPhone that we have with the Samsung's of the world wouldn't it be nice if we had these conversations about a brand like Nokia it would be great if we could get a little bit of that love on there because the Nokia 7 plus is actually getting a bit of that love as we move on to our next story where apparently the Nokia 7 plus was awarded the best consumer smartphone of the year by the expert imaging and sound Association now if you don't really if you're not really familiar with that association don't worry neither am i so the nokia 7 plus if you could forgive me for not remembering the library here at pocket now but did you guys do a review of the Nokia 7 plus here no we had a hands-on at the MWC but we never got to review the phone ah gotcha apparently there are certain aspects of this device that are very special there's a reliability elegant operating system it does get some marks because it has the fastest but one of the fastest update cycles but the reason why is because it's using Android one in the first place and apparently in an event in India the Nokia 7 plus is going to get the official PI image in September so it's actually going to be Android Pi as well one of the few by September any thoughts on the Nokia 7 plus I I think I do remember it was MWC that we saw it I did like it a lot I will admit but is it enough to call it like the best phone of the year I'd like I'd like to go last because I have some notes which are not related to the Nokia phone itself but 2e is a so please take it away oh okay um did any of you other guys Brendon and Jules as you take a look at this phone at all like have you been able to like hold it or anything like that I like the construction on in and it was just fine for let's say like a 250 to 300 dollar wish though and it's great I mean it was no Scirocco yeah it was no siroccos no you know stock software fast updates this has been the tech enthusiasts dream they've been clamoring for this kind of thing and they have finally got it and it seems like this validation has come from Issa so like this is what they've been hoping for for all along and someone has come to save them it's not a savior has come Brendon what was the last Nokia you've ever used [Laughter] a few years ago through was I wanted to try Windows Phone one last time and there was like on Amazon they had like a hundred and $49 Nokia cheese I forget what it was it was some Nokia Windows Phone and I returned it because there were literally no apps for it but the seven plus I think the seven plus looks really nice and I haven't had one when it's good to hear that Jules says that it has good construction it reminds me of the note 7 the way it has like a chin and a far head and just like a immersive display in the center I think it's a really beautiful design and the fact that the Android updates are fast make it really compelling mmm and now Anton I feel like you're gonna blow the lid off of this story oh yeah oh yeah so again I have the utmost respect for eisa and according to Wikipedia it's a collaboration between different multimedia magazines that offer tests of cameras video cameras and so on so they're fellow journalists but I would like to ask you guys one thing what's the difference between a consumer smart phone and a smart phone I mean I'm looking at their website now and while we do see the Nakia 7 plus the best consumer smartphone the best smartphone is the Huawei P 20 pro what's the difference between a consumer smartphone and the best Mart phone that's question number one and the only reason why I'm in doubt about this again with all due respect to e is a number two and this is probably another thing which makes my mind just crack into and my logic just go out the window it's the same thing like in the USA with the cars you're talking about a 2019 model in 2018 how can you a is a or any other publication for that matter call a smartphone in 2018 the best product for 2019 because it's best product 2018 2019 I mean there's so many phones to come out even this year it's the pixel it's the iPhones it's you name it you cannot call a best product 2018-2019 for a consumer smart phone the Nokia and the best product 2018-2019 as a best smartphone the huawei because the two categories don't make sense in my mind and it doesn't make sense for you to call a phone the best phone for next year this year that's the lid there we go Wow it's the season I was about just about to say this does feel like yeah I love the automobile industry analogy there because maybe that is where we're going because literally in the car industry you have a new model every single year and it could be this car this model 2019 this car this model 2020 that kind of thing and that's kind of where smartphones have gone in the last few years so this trend might be starting this might be a sign of that starting and whether or not that's a good thing I mean it depends on how much weight you put on the wards like this but anyway Brendan yeah Tony you're just asking what's the difference between a consumer phone and just a regular phone and I think it just comes down to price like consumer more price friendly just a regular phone is like kind of more like if you're using your phone front for work you will spare no expense and you're willing to pay more money and the you know the p20 Pro much more expensive than the Nokia I'm totally with you but wouldn't have been easier and more transparent to call the Nokia 7 plus the best mid-range or budget or affordable smartphone and the b20 Pro the best flagship high-end expensive smartphone it'll have been in my mind in my a lot more straightforward I agree but that's not how people on the street talk like my brother that has the iPhone 10 isn't like hey check out my my high-end my flagship and hey hey pay buddy over there you got the mid-range err don't use the best street talk I've ever heard known fact about Philadelphia so there is an intersection that I have wanted to visit and this has been pointing out by the Facebook group new urbanist memes for transit-oriented teens there is a intersection I believe it's 69th Street and Dix Avenue 69 AMX I talk about Street talk right okay so not to really cut anybody off Brennan if you had one more point I wanted to make sure that you had it now that's it I'm gonna next podcast I'm gonna go to 69th and Dick's just for truth all right so um we do have to we are going to get into our deep dive topic in a second but we are going to have a tiny break one thing that I do want to mention though is that Anton has a bit of a harder out on the show so in about five minutes he's gonna be on his way out which is perfect for me to SQ and this little break that we have before our final or final portion of the show can you give us like it's been 10 years that you've been here a pocket now and are there any sort of stories or memories that you want to share from that long history that you have with this company oh there's there's plenty of stories we don't have enough tonight for those stories starting from the first the message I have received from Brendan when I was an active user and xda-developers to come and write for a website all the way through working with Evan blasts of leaks to becoming managing editor and then to taking over PocketNow and then to take a step back and focus more on content now all the way through everybody with whom I've worked with whether it's a client a partner a colleague and my colleagues I mean I don't know all the people that that we're here with us even on the path guests I mean if I come to think about the podcast I've bought guested with the Evan glass and I'm talking only about hosts now Evan bless brandon minimun Michael Fisher Stevens shank Jules Wang and now Joshua Vergara and I've been a host myself several times and not even gonna go into all the EFA's where I said that it's gonna be my last Eva and the MWC so it's it's been a long it's been a long and interesting ride and as I said in my tweets and then my Facebook updates on social media I am so so thankful to everybody who has been here with me in these 10 years because it's been it's been ten interesting years there have been challenges there were good signs and bedtimes but what matters is that we are here a community talking to our big community and that makes me feel like I'm home whether I'm talking to Brandon what I'm talking to you Josh who are the newest member of my family that's that's how I feel every time I talk to you guys that I'm I'm home where's my Kleenex okay thank you for that that was really awesome and you know what it's it's gonna be great because like no matter no matter where you might be in however many years down the road like I feel like anybody who is new to the team and right now I'm the I'm probably the newest member I would the newest members would come to you for like the history and for a lot of like the old stories and just ways of knowing like the history of a place like PocketNow and I didn't realize that the the the the symbiotic relationship between PocketNow and XT a was so strong even way back when yes I sorted off as as an xda-developers senior moderator and that was a popular rom chef back in the day so yeah it back then it was pocket now in some other media outlets which started off really really early and there was xda-developers the only place where somebody could talk to somebody else who was probably interested in the same things as you were and have a normal debate about something which was usually how to take out your stylus and tap on a huge icon on a 320 by 240 screen yeah I always remember those those ROM talks on next day developers back in the day well it's it's speaking just as the newest member and one of the younger members of the team like it's it's an honor to be with someone who's been such a veteran here so thank you for all the work that you've done as well thank you for making me feel I'm older than I am I was trying to think of the right like word and crazy and the order that could come up was like I respect the seniority but then that's kind of like all right awesome so uh yeah I do want to continue our check in a little bit thank you again Anton and here's rather than any more tears and whenever you feel like you need to pop off feel free to do so I wanted to check in with Jules and Brendan how are things been since our last episode Jules I think is who I really want to hear from because we really missed you last week okay and we tried our best very glad that you did and you put a very good show in my place I mean I've been checking the ratings for that and it's been doing exceptionally well so lovely guys in any case my travels have been going well after leaving New York a couple weeks ago so I'd go to Dublin well I didn't decide to go but I planned out a trip centered on wedding in Kiev that I had to attend I was honored to be invited and I was glad to be able to you know call this guy friend he's actually the CEO of Eve tech which made the eve computer the crowd-sourced spects computer that was also crowd funded it got backing from Microsoft and whatnot so like you know for him to have invited me the only meeting like media guy the only us guy that he really you know knows like that was interesting and I made sure that I did this whole operation as cheaply as possible so that meant integrating the note 9 thing going on there and then making sure that I haven't had places to stay in Dublin or in London that were cheap I actually here this is actually all my friends work from my childhood friend who happened to be planning a trip to the London anyways and wanted to be here for the first time so like he just gave me this Airbnb for free so I'm very fortunate to be doing this right here right now and the sky internet here this guy's doing pretty good for this podcast so yeah it does look pretty good and you've been you've been just literally touring Europe and it's it's awesome that uh it's awesome to see that so thank you for being able to join us despite being out and about right now oh there you go we'll have a good trip and Oh Anton those way out yes thank you very much for having me and one last thing Jules hashtag shave that mic all right Brandon quick check-in from you before we get to our main topic for today yes so I got the note 9 here I got it yesterday and pull the trigger man I just yeah I had to that's right yeah what was the phrasing that you did the world something wins again or whatever like I just had to anyway people like both Jaime and Josh were trying to convince you not to jump from the 1 plus 6 because you had already made the investment so I feel like this was a surprise hey check out how my recent look oh my God look at that parallax growing it's so cool so um I just made a video that I have to edit and it takes me four times longer to edit a video than you guys on how to speed up the note 9 because there's a bunch of things you could do to make it faster but there's an app that so many people forget about it's called good luck 2018 which lair which like has been so much improved that it allows you on the note 9 and any Samsung phone to add gesture control from the side so swipe over and down goes home swipe over goes back swipe up goes to your recents which is great because you can hide the notifier on the bottom and still use gestures it also lets you change the look in the feel of the recent switch is what I just showed you until like a carousel like thing and I know it's kind of foo-foo but it's fun and different it lets you customize the lockscreen and do a lot of other like deeper like UI changes to a Samsung phone and it's called good good lock 2018 and if you've got a note 9 or really like any Samsung phone it's really worth checking out there's a lot of cool stuff you can do that bit about the swiping would have made the perfect segue but like I just had one more thing to say and that's like going to like you tap on the developer settings are the kernel whatever they can get to developer settings and then you go into all the animation logs and then set that to either like scale or halftime or no animation and that's another cool way to just you know get rid of all that fluff when you and that's one of the things I mentioned the video but if you go to 0 animations because this system needs time to draw the app on the screen it can actually feel more laggy so that's why I think point 5 is good and actually if you know how to use ADB with Android developer tools you can change these the animations to any variable so like if you want to go 0.25 you can do that and that's super fast but not not zero so you're right that's a very good one that a lot of people also to forget about screen animations well speaking of tweaks we are moving into a phone that has a pedigree of software tweaks and software enhancements speaking of launchers and whatnot it's a little bit of the me UI in a new brand new brand I love that phrase I keep using it it's a brand new brand from Xiaomi it's called poco or poco phone it's a little bit different because in India I because I kept hearing that the brand is just poco it's not poco phone so there's a little bit of a mix-up here but I mean your phone just as well as mine has the tramp stamps that there's a poco phone on it yeah exactly yeah oh they can go like straight up over here but the thing is I have to refocus the polka phone f1 and Jules and I as we have just revealed have been using this phone for a little while I unfortunately just no cards on the table I haven't been able to give the phone the quality time it deserves but I did do a first impressions video of it over on my channel meanwhile Jules wrote an article about it at pocketnow.com so I'm going to go ahead and pop it over to you Jules and give us your reactions on this really interesting device specifically can you show me how long have you been waiting to do that can you talk about the camera please because no one's no one's really talked that much about the camera and it seems like such a good lower priced phone if the camera is good note that note I will say real quick sorry Jules um that that's the reason why I didn't want to give my final thoughts on the phone yet because I do want to give the camera as much time as possible so I can actually see how it would perform but anyway Jules I'm gonna ensure we have final supper yet because I believe this was supposed to be launching with me UI 10 and what we have on here is me UI 9 6 yeah and the other thing too is that they have an infrared camera selfie camera 4 on facial authentication that has not been activated yet so we can't use that feature yet we would love to although at least a consumer launch time that features that will be available so I guess we could do Apple samples on that but in any case I've been using this phone with multiple Sims from Ireland and even project 5 right now it's on project 5 for the past 12 13 days it's been providing great connections for me with that Snapdragon a 45 that integrated Snapdragon x.x money bone oh yes correct Qualcomm thank you for that and it's been performing just well I mean this this this does have the analogues to the no.9 that galaxy no nine because it has it outs a liquid cooling system with that copper stripe going somewhere I haven't seen tear downs at this device yet so it's anyone's guess how that exactly works or how you know what kind of numbers they produce but I haven't seen any hang-ups on this six gigabyte model six gigabyte RAM so it's been doing alright for me and yeah like there's a whole bunch of other stuff in terms of me UI that we talked about a lot of the changes that they've already made even though it's not final software or what have been baked into nine six this version this poco launcher here and it does have those full screen gestures so that you remove the navigation bar of course you can still have it it's an option but you can swipe up to go home swipe and hold and then you'll get multitasking and then swipe from the sides for back either way you just go back um which I really got used to quickly I'm dual wielding with the pixel two and I found myself swiping from the sides and you're trying to why not it's like that felt very very natural for me it does suck though that it does interfere with a lot of the side menu interfaces on yes yeah I was about to say like when I when I use a keyboard and I want to swipe from the back space button in order to remove full words sometimes I hit back on accident and it's you know you have to be kind of careful about that and again you know I'm going to be there are certain things that in the tech world people understand me as I'm the Smart Watch skeptic for one and number two I'm also the guy that hates full screen gestures so it's just gonna be my hot take on those but but speaking of hot takes like here's here is one angle that I wanted to ask you guys and Brandon Brandon from being from being on the outside looking in since you're not using this phone you see the spec sheet you see what's possible here I suppose it's not going to be the biggest surprise that Xiaomi is able to put all of these high-end specifications on phones that are supposed to be more portable they've done it with their me series quite a bit and even with a phone that has ceramic even with phones that have ceramic it's still probably better priced and most other flagships generally so Xiaomi is they know what they're doing in this case and with poco phone with the f1 they're actually undercutting it even more with the phone that's $300 and it has the 845 so my question to you guys is this hot take that people seem to have at least from the preliminary outset the flagship killer killer like does this does this strike you as at all even close to that type of moniker that's why I wanted to know what you guys thought about the camera and I appreciate that it's too soon to give your take on the camera because my my thinking was that for awhile for most of this year the best budget phone if you care about camera build quality performance and that kind of thing was the honor sephadex which you could get for like $1.99 the camera on that is very good for the price and so but but but I think the specifications of the poco phoner are very impressive and so whether it's the full package you know relates to whether the camera is any good and I've never used a xiaomi phone so III don't know how they perform like I used the vivo NEX recently and I was just super impressed with I've never used a view of own super impressed with how that phone this camera was so I wouldn't be surprised if I and you guys were surprised by the camera so in terms of the camera let's we'll go with the selfie camera first 20 megapixels I have thoughts on this run in the first impressions article that I put down and I also have some photos which some of them are in the wrong orientation and they can't do anything about that because the back end is acting up weird so thank you know WordPress for some reason but in any case 20 megapixels there are still a lot of the features that you would expect out of a me UI things such as beautification a I sort of thing you got the portrait mode or extra bouquet features and in terms of you know being able to execute those features it does a mediocre job on that I'll be honest there there is kind of an Asian Syndrome thing going on too because of the beautiful mode at all to any level you'll get whiter skin and get softer but more portly whiter skin and that's uh I mean I understand at least initially that we're dealing with the Indian market and you know as much as we don't like it or as much as there are ethical questions that's a trip that's in high demand look at that look at that Josh look at that yeah like oh look how light skinned I am in this photo like this and the thing is like as as American users as Western users this is like the whitest Wow as I attempt to refocus on myself over here there you go the the thing is that this is something that if you've ever used a Xiaomi phone before you come to expect and any Asian phone in general and you know far be it for me to be that Western user that says it's not what I want out of my selfie cameras but you know what it's it is a marker that they're hitting and that's almost to their credit because they're they're managing said put a 20 megapixel camera on here that gives the users in the markets this phone will be coming out in exactly what they want which is softening which is lighter skin beauty modes and stuff like that so I can't I I want to knock it but I still understand why it's there you guys know why like this might be a really stupid question but why do these phones that tena come from the Asian side of the world have this very heavy skin smoothing beauty mode what's the story it's the simple answer is demand and for a lot of the users who are on that works like we chats or I'm trying member what the name of some other networks are but we chat is like one of the biggest one in China if you look at any photos of a user on WeChat they what they're looking for is too is too soft in and to remove blemishes or anything like that like the beauty industry in Asia is so prevalent that it even bleeds into our smartphone in the digital space oh good blog - followed by the way is the Shanghai they've been personally lots of photos lots of a video like time-lapse videos from Weibo showing off these girls that you know start off you know bleary-eyed like they've just woken up and then they go through a whole transformation process like those videos have been very popular recently and leave them just popping up like wildflowers yeah then this could be this could be in and of itself a deep dive that we could do on a different show on a different episode because it is a big topic and it's something that I think Western users like myself have had to struggle understanding a little bit and I wouldn't know this if I wasn't dating somebody who is from the Philippines who was from that market who understands that because whereas people like us would review these phones and look at like all the front-facing camera has good detail it does a pretty good job she would actually review it in terms of how well it applies its beauty modes so if if her skin was way too waxy then she would say it's a bad front-facing camera and was you know what people look for that man I really need beauty mode I'm telling you guys I'm gonna keep it on I mean let me give you what let me give you an example what a bad beauty mode would be a bad beauty mode would take away your 5 o'clock shadow and like that's a bad beauty mode it's too much and on the flip side of bad beauty mode would also be too much detail because it's not doing anything so there are users who want beauty mode in the front-facing camera who would probably go for something like the poco phone who wouldn't like the front-facing camera of the pixel too because it's too detailed because it's not it because it doesn't hide its this is a very odd conversation to sort of skirt because yes the point of the beauty mode is to hide your imperfections and there is there it is a problematic phrase to use but ultimately that is what is in demand in Asia anyway that we've gone off tangent in this case but this is the front-facing camera that we're talking about any thoughts on the rear facing camera drills that you can share because I don't have it yeah yeah so in terms of the rear facing camera I'm not sure if I'm at if I was clear to you know talk about what their internal benchmarking standards were like so like I was very vague in terms of what they want to aim for we do have what's considered something from last year it's the center that I use the Sony IMAX three six three I believe and you know it takes decent enough photos you know I think if you were to describe it you know it's like it's firmly within its price back bracket in terms of camera performance a lot more HDR activity going on then I would like to see and low-light is kind of on and off Fitness I was able to show off one of the photos which was of the bride just caught in a good spotlight and she was like yeah she was dancing she was healing her best so like there are some moments where it shines but more often than not like if you were even subject to any slight jitter its yeah yeah yeah it's going to be it's gonna be one of those situations and I think this is so common in our industry where even though the price is is something that can mitigate these issues that you see in the camera we can't look past what it's unable to do and I would implore everybody to sort of think about this phone in a different sense this is probably the phone that every Android Go user wish that they could get for that price you know cuz $300 out in India is just just in general that's a really great price to have for a phone that has the best possible specifications that you can get right now and even users here in the u.s. here in North America would kill to have this phone and there are a lot there are a lot of users out there who actually don't really care about the camera as much as you think it reviews we are tasked with looking at everything laterally like the camera is going to be weighed upon as much as the specifications but the thing is for a lot of users out there it's a little bit more weighted so I would say that the reason why this one excites me so much is because if I know somebody who is not going to be taking photos that end up on Instagram that end up on Twitter Facebook whatever what me what what have you but they I found that they can rely upon for probably the next year or so granted they don't break it or drop it this is gonna be this would be my first recommendation and it would be an easy one to make it's also a good burner phone if you want to keep things private I do i I do agree that it's a little bit hard to talk about it in final terms because we don't have final software yet mio i-10 I'm actually excited for because we got Jules and I were together during our meeting with them and Mia i10 looks pretty dope and I'm just I want that to arrive before I give any final verdicts on this but as of right now if this is something that we're going to see more often in 2019 have at it have at it I want to see more I want to see more cheaper phones with high-end specifications make it clear to us that the things that matter the most to us don't have to be 1,000 dollars because what you're gonna end up paying for for a phone that's over $600 is the overall package but if you're just looking for very specific things to be stellar you can get a $300 for the camera yeah exactly famous youtuber once said or him said mate many times and I very much believe this cheap phones are getting good and good phones are getting cheap except for like the note 9 or the - 10 and stuff mmm yeah I totally agree with that like it's become clear to me after using this phone with the note 9 at the same time which is probably like this is the worst time to be a totally unbiased reviewer because we have all of these phones at the same time the best way that I can mitigate that bias is to say that the note 9 is priced the way it is because it's the package it's the entire package you can do literally anything with that phone and it will handle it is that the same case for the poco phone if you think of the if you think of the camera in particular maybe not but then again that's probably not what you're paying this paying that money for so keep that in to play smash hit four or five hours at a time yeah and you know would not blow out the engine just by playing it for that long I guess yeah exactly and I love that this phone came out at this price point right now to prove to us that a cooling system in a phone doesn't have to break the bank because I well you had the ROG phone which had its own cooling you have the no.9 which has its own cooling but those are gonna be like skyrocketed prices and people are gonna people I was afraid that people would think that they would have to go to a phone like that and then here comes Xiaomi and polka phone proving to us that it's possible to have without having to break the bank all right you keep chat studios t camera is not very important for me performances since I'm struggling with my phone which is now the LG g4 see ouch when you have to add extra letters to the main model it's like you know where you're going there ya go around petrovac also why manufacturers don't make budget phones with some special top feature like the LG q 7 plus with its top audio or that elbow with a great camera I don't know which particular series they're talking about there but yeah like there are a lot of mid Rangers LG has tried out the x-series which focused on one specific spec like battery or the camera or other like laser or something I don't think anyone bought an x-series LG but I do remember that there the X cam and like that's a good exam speaking of which I apologize for not going into the chat more often one thing that I will say is that ever the one thing that I will say is that some people were asking about you know like for us to answer questions throughout the entire first portion of the show all the questions are about the poco phone and now here we are so does the poker phone have NFC says Zachary Webb I can say no unfortunately I was not able to use my phone to tap in and out of the tube and yeah it's it's surprising house contact lists has made its way across the UK just so easily so I mean yeah us corner stores so yeah one final one from the Chad before we go into our final final little thing before we close out where is it such an rut he says slap a skin on the polka phone and you're good to go I would kind of agree with you unless you get this armored addition and this Kevlar it's pretty nice man nice thing is it as creepy as it looks oh yeah absolutely there's also a bit of a heft to the phone which which which kind of gives you that sense of safety and which is funny because one of the philosophies behind the polka phone f1 is that they think that people are gonna put cases on this phone to begin with anyway so it doesn't matter that it looks okay in the box yeah I have to call out mr. Mobile here mr. Michael Fisher for you know talking about the oleophobic at the lack of oleophobic coating which I'm not sure what you think of but I'm actually glad that it's like people say it's yuck and you have to deal with fingerprints like you have an ID and deal with fingerprint anyways with those early Oh phobic coatings and what's more is that they made the phone slicker so that when ever I put my phone face down on a surface or what I perceived to be a near flat surface and then it ends up all of a sudden I'm just working and all of a sudden boom the floor is the way the floor has met the phone and you know what regardless of any of that I will say that despite the Kevlar looking so nice the armored Edition still gets smudged up to hell so I mean to me it doesn't matter much because it still happens all right so we have one less thing to talk about something a little bit fun for just a couple of minutes and let's I love I love that Jules you put this as the question has there ever been an email that you wish you could take back immediately so the story behind that is Gmail has been running its undo send feature you've been able to only on the web have you been able to you know take back an email just made me mere seconds after you've sent it like you realize oh that feeling of dread when you might have said too much so you're able to press the undo button quickly and then you know in some case in many cases if you're dealing with a note of gmail client that you can do that immediately if you're doing with another like a hot meal or something like that it might take a few minutes so that kind of suspense still hangs around but yeah that feature has moved on to Android now so it's a good thing I guess and there are plenty of emails that I wish I could have taken back in my time throughout my father never had I've never had that because if I'm going to say something that I would ultimately want to take back it's gonna be through a text or is it gonna be through some sort of messaging I don't think I would ever send something that could come back to me in a bad way in an email I don't think I've ever done that before he knows very permanent well I mean for me like it was email that you used to talk to professor's or something and you used to do that in a harried rush just before class when you're sending something and you'd send the wrong file you're sending the wrong whatever the heck so like for me in terms of like typing something on my phone and just saying and not making stuff at all because autocorrect has screwed you over really good today yeah that's that was the case for me so I wish that undo send could have undone a whole bunch of things if you get an email from me and the word ducking is in there I meant it for it to be in there okay Brendan is uh it is the undo send feature a godsend for you it is it is a godsend except that you have a window of like ten seconds two hundred I want I want a window of like 72 hours because I can't think of a particular example but I've sent my wife emails in the past though I I was telling her something I didn't I I didn't agree with or something that bothered me and let's just say it put our relationship into a spin and I wish I hadn't sent it but you know there was no undo send there was no 72-hour undo send so the reality is is that that notification pops up you know just 30 seconds after you've said that thing and you know depending on the push cycles or whatnot like that could be even sooner so it's like in reality you only have just a few precious seconds so I should find her phone and smash it it was like a classic a classic family sitcom trope right there is like no don't open that and the it wasn't there a Google Labs application in Gmail that would test if you're sober before you can send an email oh yes I mean I think I think that's sometimes more useful and then an undo send feature but in any case there's no reason to undo send this podcast this very informative and very fun 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