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step closer to actual death and we've been digging into the announcements at Google i/o taking a look at Android P previews we've got a lot to talk about so make sure you're charged and ready for episode three zero four of the pocket now weekly recorded may 11 to 10 a.m. Pacific this weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets that make our lives mobile smartphones tablets and wearables it's all the stuff you wished existed when you were a kid and the smartest watch on the playground was really just a calculator I'm point Carlos back now contributing editor at pocketnow.com joined as always by plucky podcast producer mister Jules Wong on the East Coast and I think we're both even though we're bicoastal sharing some allergy histamine have you solder the video we're like there's a backhoe the tree exactly what you're talking about and the pollen just goes it's all crazy it's a cloud like that's that's I don't believe there is a hell but if there is a hell that's that's what I'm surrounded by I mean I'm a via Brenda Stowe and it's freakin trees full of pollen my personal hell is the happening but not where I go suicidal because of the plans just just normal plants just normal plants that's me huh yeah and the nasal passages over here are kind of suffering so I apologize if I sound a little more stuffy than I usually do I've also very stuffy usually but this time around an extra stuffy right and tell me last night if you had the same thing where I was like I would roll over and feel one nostril clear and the other clogged like oh sweet relief then I'd roll back over in the middle of the night very unfortunately I have to rely on my a friend to help me out in that respect it's sad well we're not gonna we're gonna focus too much on our biological deficiencies when it comes to the material plants make and eject into the air weaker members of the species we probably would have been bred out of existence if we were more Darwinian uh we've got some some great stories to talk about there's there's a ton of news going on actually some some pretty mobile folks politics that we're gonna have to take a look at and of course Google i/o all of the big announcements coming from the developer conference and in the the Android P Developer Preview we've been taking a look at you're a pocket now Jules why don't we jump in with some of the headlines and then we'll we'll focus the second half of the show all on IO and Android P well I just wanted to mention that you you the viewer the listener can also join in on the conversation too by hopping onto Twitter and joining in with tagging your message or questions with a hashtag P and weekly and we'll be able to track these comments in real time as they come along and if you have questions but you can't ask them live well you can send an email to us at podcast at pocketnow.com and we'll be able to get to those every end of the month so do that do the Twitter thing if you're on youtube we'll try and get to the chat over there it's just gonna be a great conversation that we're gonna have yeah it's always good times and we already have a tweet coming in from from Andrew Szyslak is this a permanent change to 1:00 p.m. Eastern and just a couple little scheduling issues that we had last week with Nick gray this week with myself and some some projects that I'm working on I'd like to say that all these podcasts are happening at special times it's always it doesn't matter when it's happening it's just a special time we have scientifically determined the exact right time to podcast these new stories in these and well that's just next week it could be like 4:00 in the afternoon you know you don't know that's why you've got a you've got a good before a.m. yeah that's true for 4:00 a.m. a Singapore time could be the exact right time to talk about next week's news stories I I'm gonna keep like D railing the show if we don't get one by one because there are four big stories that I think really poked out I'm gonna share the the PocketNow website here what we do that yeah affecting the industry going on here so ZTE has announced through Stock Exchange filings that it has basically ceased all major operations and they're still getting their workers to work they don't have much to do apparently according to sources to Reuters and that's I was just covering this this morning so I'm sorry that you'll have to switch over but Telstra from Australia as a result of these cessations has announced that it will stop carrying ZTE phones at least temporarily so this is a big news 19 smartphones three mobile hotspot devices pulled from store shelves and just it could roll on into other regions so what do you think is at this point because ZT has said previously that this would be dangerous nelle - it's a company and this again all stems from imports ban issued by the US Commerce Department yeah I mean the for the entire organization top to bottom this is this is a disastrous turn of events I mean originally when we were covering some of the the first law enforcement advisories I think for myself personally and for a lot of the people that are listening to our show or watching our show we were probably focused more on the the consumer facing handset market I just I was very much anticipating an axe on 9 this year after spending some time with the axe on em and how much of a fan I was of the axe on seven so I mean initially it was like oh well that's a bummer we're not gonna get a phone and then it just seems like with every every successive story that's come out reporting on the state of ZTE it's like a new economic impact a new trade impact another partner falls falls by the wayside and I think this is one of those areas we want to be real careful because how law enforcement can act and how punitive some of these penalties are for engaging in business practices which the United States is currently frowning on we definitely want to be cognizant of that but then also III question whether or not we should be looking at business practices that completely eradicate a company and whether or not ZTE can actually walk itself back from from the brink on this or if it's going to be able to find alternative manufacturing partners outside of the United States that's still going to be such a substantial hit to the company that now we're just going to be playing the game to see if they can recover at all or if this is going to be a company that's carved up for parts and patents in the next year or two because it's not just smartphones they also do a lot of telecommunication equipment before I'm sorry I've completely forgotten there the number four in the sector or telecommunications infrastructure could be number four but one of the top ones I guess but they are far behind Huawei but you know they still major player out there and that's where most of their business is held not in smartphones but you know telecom equipment so and they rely on us parts for those items as well it's someone can starting to see that these actions are are having this much of an effect I know that they have said that this has basically stopped them from doing anything that is well the headline of the article we wrote up is actually kind of funny though ZTE employees reporting to work have nothing to do and it's gallows humor but I mean that is kind of a sad state of affairs what I'll be curious to see now is do we think that our current Justice Department and the investigation surrounding Huawei are going to lead to similar import bans and trade sanctions and again I'm putting on a tinfoil hat here but it makes me concerned to see our law enforcement agencies responding to these kinds of situations I think they should be responding with punitive actions but I don't know that I completely believe that they should be so punitive that the companies are absolutely wrecked in in the following actions after you know law enforcement gets involved for this well they see this as issuing is issuing denial orders issuing these import bans is one of the tools that they have and one of the most effective tools to you know address these concerns about national security and again especially in this administration and the Trump administration where tensions and trade and other topics such as cyber security have very strained between the US and China where Donald Trump has voiced very voracious support in favor of a trade war with China this is just one of the complicating factors in the overall characteristic of our relationship and it's it's not really going to change this is this is the symptoms unfortunately yeah now I agree with you there and and I think it's probably gonna get uglier on all fronts both political and business corporate hostile actions taken by a number of different interests involved it's just um again I that that little spark of is is this fair play and and because we're not being given enough information at the consumer level and I mean like our our show probably could file a Freedom of Information Act request for more info on what it is what exactly is is transpiring between these countries and these countries in these companies I it still kind of it makes me anxious it makes me anxious that were wielding this kind of influence without delivering evidence as to what the actual transgressions might have been and and again I'll be very curious to see how this befall is Huawei now Huawei I think is the next company that DOJ has in their sights and if we see something similar I'll I'll be very concerned over what happened was ete cuz i don't even think that ZTE s major sin was the the business they were doing with iran it was not complying completely with the original penalties that were laid forth for ZTE the executives who were supposed to see jail time the fines the penalties and and how they were continuing to do business after the fact now let's say Huawei is is implicated in similar business practices up front are they going to be given the opportunity to comply with the original slate of penalties that ZTE faced or are we again gonna go straight to some kind of sledgehammer style ban and and that's where I don't have a lot of confidence in this current administration to act with proportion to the actual crimes involved Yazidi legend x yeah as ZTE had its second chance and apparently it broke that but whether the whatever litigation or investigation that the Justice Department wants to go against qua way that is being reported at this point that may or may not be more stricter as the Justice portrait tends to really lay that hammer more than the the Commerce Department in vine this is actually a pretty good question and I just want to get your opinion on this Jules this is from Renato Laporte using the p-n weekly hashtag my biggest question what will happen to companies that have ZTE products deployed everywhere CTE if ZTE goes wrecked our ekt this will be such a pain in the butt and I would imagine and I don't know if you would if you you would agree with this I would imagine that if ZTE goes bust it is just like craters that ZTE s infrastructure is gonna get carved up and sold to other companies so that infrastructure is gonna be sold off managed and deployed further deployed by other existing players in this space it would make sense to me that it's not just gonna leave infrastructure high and dry it's just gonna be a little kind of shell game of moving parts and pieces around until everything gets sold off well let's talk about the short-term I mean they still have the resources and the people and the current assets to be able to supply support to existing infrastructure and existing clients but as we go further and further along if we find that there is a deterioration in ZTE state then well I guess already you people if people are watching the news and people are able to budget out any potential moves that they want to make well you know maybe a month or two from now would be the time to do so but until that happens and in you know in the cases where people aren't allowed by one way or another to make these certain changes in their systems what we're we might see is kind of a crisis situation of just being able to find other vendors other gap measures that they can take already ZTE has trouble finding gap vendors and other suppliers for what it wants to do as a business Taiwan has ordered and basically this order that prevents all manufacturers from shipping to ZTE unless they get a and exports permit and it sounds like other businesses and other governments are expressing just general skepticism in addition to just their practices but also just their viability from all of this pressure so yeah it's a hard situation is the cynic in me too that wonders like what if you just gutted ZTE and sold off all of the parts to another corporation like tze and you just changed up some of the Board of Directors you know like what Cambridge analytic assured all their offices but not really because a more data is gonna be taking over for monitoring all of your Facebook activity I would like there's a part of me that that hilariously like maybe that would be a totally different comedy well it's a completely different company where I mean we bought all of the parts of ZTE and we restructured and we've got a new CEO and so everything's kosher I mean Chinese government very protective of its industries in its players and wants to see them succeed and you know I mean that's totally possible yeah it's true I mean I think it might have happened before and it could happen again sure it has yeah let's move on to Google but not i/o we got some future to talk about here with the fall Hardware event that they've been a tradition for the past several years apparently in addition to your pixel three pixel three XL smartphone and also a second-generation pixel buds apparently those will be coming back all new and improved but it's unclear what those improvements will be we're talking about a pixel watch not an LG watch style or or you know something like that that seems Nexus like but isn't we're talking about a full-on pixel watch and three of them according to win future and quant it seems like we'll be looking for Leng Triton and sardine for these code names that are coming up here and all them as per Google are referring to fish because I don't know they they like their fish over there it will apparently be sporting they will apparently be sporting new Qualcomm Snapdragon where 3100 processors and if he digs into the main parts of it not much change from the 28 nanometer cortex a7 cores on the 2100 but it will have all the radio Suites GPS Wi-Fi LTE with vo LT supports bluetooth the apt X codec support and he also goes into why this project has been delayed apparently there was a contractor that was commissioned for test samples and they were apparently not up to snuff and there was also the fact that Qualcomm has been struggling to make these improvements to its processor specifically in power management which will be one of the key pillars and bringing the 3100 up from the 2100 so yeah this is a this is something that we can keep watch on literally but yeah the I don't know because L like we don't consider LG to be Google and LG have had a long-standing relationship in terms of building these products and being together on even the pixel of the pixel to excel but what I don't know what's happening here and I don't know if this stands as a challenge to Apple watch or I I don't believe so not not in its first generation you know even for Google's relationship with manufacturers like LG I don't think we've seen them really figure out each individual piece of hardware to the same refinement I mean that that kind of manufacturing that kind of acumen still requires the practical experience of printing putting products out into the market and getting feedback on them and I think the perfect example of that is looking at in one year we've got apple with air pods going up against pixel with pixel buds Google with pixel buds and one product feels significantly more refined polished and attractive than the other i from what brief time I've shown with the pixel buds I thought it was a disappointing experience considering the price tag affixed to those III I didn't care enough to be in the pixel ecosystem on all fronts to to pick that up but I would have faith that a second-generation pixel buds should show the same level of refinement that we saw going from the pixel 1 to the pixel 2 now with pixel 3 I think we'll have a much severe competitor for the phone but we'll be looking at Google's first entrance into delivering their own watch the buck stops with Google we made it not someone else made it and we just kind of slapped a label on it so I'll be curious I'll be really curious to see what this comes out with because I think we're also in a holding pattern for the technology a holding pattern for the technology there are a number of issues that I've got with where I don't think where OS has aged very gracefully from where Android wear 2.0 to where OS I can't say that the experience has really improved and I'm finding a lot of bugs and and study or stuttery performance on my Huawei watch III think if we were talking about a significant process improvement to that chipset like they got down to a 14 nanometer build as opposed to sticking with the 28 would be seeing some more substantial improvements but I'm very I'm very skeptical that this this pixel watch is going to be the direct Apple watch competitor we've been hoping for it'll be the first step in creating a product line that eventually can compete but I don't think it's going to compete right out of the gate Google has all the incentive to at least show competence in its platform and it's hardware for this first generation and you might not have like I have made them argument before to the chagrin of many other people that Google the Android wear was not and was not being driven by Google that was being driven by OEMs and to at that point I mean you know in reference to its pixel phones and its pixel buds like how much agency Google wants to put in to its efforts depends on how much it invests and hardware and software and look at where we were with pixel to pixel to was an improvement over the first pixel but the initial launch was a little clumsy and Google had to do a significant amount of PR work to kind of hide behind some of the manufacturing issues you know I hide behind the main like LG on display performance hide behind the HTC team on some of the the smaller pixel build issues it gets bigger the speakers and also just on support on actual hardware support so and they weren't able to fully own that phone problems in all now I have every confidence that Google has in iterative manufacturing has addressed some of those concerns that the pixels gonna be a better phone now than when it originally launched in that pixel 3 will be another iteration improvement on top of that but I don't think we've seen Google really take the ball and run I think they're still in this transitionary phase from we supply the software and other people make the hardware to we make this product we own this and we'll support it because we're the only name on the box that matters so I think it's just a culture shift that's happening at Google which we haven't seen them fully realize the potential of that complete ownership of the ecosystem yeah everyone's expressing their doubts in the hashtag P and weekly on Twitter Steve Becker can Google fix Android watch OS in time for the release date of the new watch Peter Hayden do you think the potential of such a watch from Google could be the beginning of a new platform after Android winner given that it hasn't remained as competitive as had been intended or do you think that this will represent a relaunch of Android wear I would say at the ladder at this point if there was some note of Android we're back in 2015 it was like oh yeah that was a sort of cool and then it it was I'm not sure if it was allowed to die out but it was more more it just dropped from the earth all of a sudden what so and this is from your teleport PN weekly Google is too late with this pixel watch like a year or two too late even the LG watches at Google sold on its website that was an LG watch not a Google watch with the special Google magic and I think that lines up with where I I would hope Google will go and this is kind of in line with what Peter Hayden was asking do you think the potential of such a watch from Google could be the beginning of a new platform after Android wear when you changed the branding from Android wear to wear OS you've got potential now to put an operating system into other things you wear maybe they're visual maybe they're audio maybe they're just tactile maybe they're just a collection of sensors that communicate with other devices in a personal area network I would love to see where OSB a complete from head to toe ecosystem of poehler strap style chest heart rate trackers and maybe mechanical implements that can track hand movement for VR and AR applications not just building a circle on your wrist that you look at with your eyes but building sensors into your shoes building fibers into compression gear workout clothing so that you you not only get steps but you actually get muscle activation and stretching information so that you can properly I adjust your workouts to be working out healthier to focus on certain major muscle groups I think moving moving we're out of the notion of this is our SmartWatch os into this is our wearable technology ecosystem could be the perfect way to combat Apple and the Apple watch because we I don't believe Apple is going to have the the resources the ability to flesh out an ecosystem as quickly as Google could and they could set the trend especially like they've got relationships with clothing manufacturers they had the smart jacket from Levi's Google has those resources and they could capitalize on that with software custom bill to interact with the body as a total organism not just your eyes and fingers and that would be a very clear and direct mission that I would like to see Google publicly adopt for Android wear OS by I'm sort of concerned just by the inclusion of Android things because you know there there is that kind of Venn diagram overlap between what wear OS and Android things might you know include in terms of products and if they get confused and and start to blurred lines in terms of that mission then they become all for naught isn't isn't this what always breaks our heart though is being able to see some potential in all the chaos is you know you've got Android things but why not have things OS where OS and Android you know like you could have these little modules that then express part of the ecosystem so where is the operating system for stuff that's on your body things is the operating system that interacts with you know smart home IOT in your phone and then you've got Android which is sort of the brain that helps you manage all the apps and services that coordinate with all this stuff I like again I see that as being pretty clear potential and it's something that Google at i/o could have just led the discussion on you know we're going to you know draw a line in the sand now we're going to say this is our mission and we're going to lead this market and we are the only company with all of the resources the machine learning the operating systems the developers the apps that can truly push body and home computing into the next gen creation of products and services but I think there's still I think they're still licking their wounds from Google glass and I think they're gonna be ridiculously conservative which unfortunately means other players in the space will have huge opportunities to take them out I think you're right in that and that the whole Google i/o thing for them was that they've announced a whole bunch of stuff but they felt like it was sort of flailing around as per usual I guess I mean a lot so anyway our because we're gonna get to i/o and to your point right there I think you're absolutely right there have been years where Google seems much more focused but the last couple major announcements coming out of Google have felt fairly scattered and there are some significant omissions that I think we should talk about when we talk about i/o but we should probably let's just wrap up these next two stories really quick because I don't think we need to spend a lot of time on I'm gonna go back into screen share here so yeah FCC finally announcing the the due date for the repeal of net neutrality to take full effect on June 11 apparently the office of budget management's finally got around to approving some of the changes that need to be needed to be made to the what was it the restoring Internet freedom order so yeah there you go June 11th well and of course it's not the end of the story because there is already a procedural or a procedural action in place for a committee review which requires one additional vote from the GOP it's got 49 Democrats one independent and no Susan Collins 49 49 Democrats and an independent and the independent and one Republican they just need one more Republican to force this committee review and then from there that would pass to the house and that's super unlikely that it'll get passed in the house but it because in a two-thirds right no it's when this committee review is only a 51 i more than higher than its 50% plus one vote so you don't need to have the two-thirds it's not a bill it's a committee review and then a committee repeal and if it passes both the House and Senate then it has to be signed by the president who can veto this this review action too so there's really no hope that the current implementation of the Ohio as it pertains to title to regulation of the Internet is going to be the open urban order you have the open Internet order sorry I've been deep in the weeds on this for all I know I just feel like I'm like broken record now because we are in a lot of bureaucratic procedural slow-moving congressional actions right now but there's really no hope that the the open Internet order as we know it is going to be preserved but it forces a record vote on the GOP who are voting against net neutrality and I think this will be one of those side tangent issues which is going to be brought up during the the midterms that these are the people who sold you out to major corporations who are gonna make your Internet services more expensive or throttle your connections and you know it's overwhelmingly conservatives who seem to be against protecting this kind of consumer protection so it's it's still a moving target net neutrality is still on the books even though we're pretty confident that this FCC is not enforcing and he that regulation but we're still in that phase where I think it's it's worth contacting your elected officials to say you know whether or not you support this because the conversation is still is still ongoing the conversation is still happening and I think the most important battles that will be fought will be again whether they're the federal government and the state governments that have supported a difference net neutrality legislation yeah what is that we would flip-flop in like one one presidential season for liberals now trumpeting states rights states rights I like all those conservatives man they just seem to hate when states have control and their own autonomy and their own agency over how they want to conduct business well they've supported states rights when it was convenient for them were supporting statements whole areas playing politics on this it only took it only took one trigger issue like this to completely flip the principles I don't know what but I talked about this on my own like YouTube stream on Monday but it was it is really interesting to think that if California and New York are able to both pass the same net neutrality style protections what they're looking to pass does even stricter than the open Internet order that the FCC would have would have used for its title to regulations and it would represent one-fifth of the population of the United States so that would be a clear shot across the ISPs that are trying to support gutting this type of regulation which means now for that fight is gonna get phenomenally ugly between who has the authority as the FCC is trying to get rid of the authority to regulate the internet but they're still gonna try and supersede the states that are looking to regulate the internet again the the mind games that you have to play the sort of 1984 doublespeak that you have to engage in or double think that you have to engage in is it's kind of hilarious at this point that anyone's entertaining this as being a good idea is just really sad in the current state that we find ourselves with all right well you talk about California in New York I mean California is the fifth I think its largest economy in the world and New York is somewhere it produces 1.5 trillion or something and GDP so yeah I mean the that's where business is that's where the internet is if anywhere is its most needed then those are the places and those I think are gonna be pretty important benchmarks and that's why I think the federal fight is gonna get rural a Glee because this administer does not seem to react kindly to the the political moves made by those coastal elite state coastal elites fact is business gets done there so unless you want to change your I don't know let's said I want to get away from this completely I want to put my phone in a different room so that I don't have to pay attention to it that's a good idea in fact I would I would probably say there's there's likely some scientific data to support your desire to get away from your smartphone and use it less and not only use it less but keep it as far away from you as you possibly can so there was a study published last year in the Journal of the Association of for consumer research a few of these researchers are looking to see how the presence of a smartphone being with you know all the notifications you see if receiving the day and the Fantom kind of vibrations that you get in your pocket or your bag or whatever like you we know that smartphones are taking a certain toll on our social behavior now what does this mean for our basic skills like cognition and and fluid intelligence well apparently if you put on a desk it's pretty I mean the effects are there and there is a strong decrease in a certain testing for these cognitive skills and memory mathematics pattern intuition you do get an increase in impulse which is you know you take the good for the bad of whatever that is and yeah I mean there are certain effects to it if just even have it in the pocket or a bag then it's still quite negative result there so only when you start you know putting your phone in another room do you see full attention skills your full abilities to process basic tasks is really at its best yeah I mean there's just so much information coming out on cognitive development for children as to what kind of exposure they should have to this type of attention-seeking technology we still have a number of practical concerns when it comes to things like smartphones and automobiles you know operating phone distracted driving campaigns we had a conversation on pocket now with a clinical psychologist who focuses on addictions talking about how smartphones enable different types of addictive addictive situations I had a conversation with an audiologist about smart phones and hearing health again through the ability to overuse the style of technology we have not sure if this correlation I'm not sure if this correlation would surprise you but it turns out that phone owners who have identified as more dependent and more emotionally attached to their phones like much like a parent to a baby's cry are more likely to draw extreme negative effects into extreme negative metrics in the test that they have done so oh no in in I think we've had some some some decent anecdotal examinations especially singular in one-off cases of individuals who have made claims about the emotional the emotional state the emotional impact of utilizing this type of technology but especially when I when I sat down and spoke with the audiologist at UCLA I this impact on our society is so aggressively fast I think think about the differences in mobile computing today versus where we were ten years ago versus where we were 20 years ago and for comprehensive studies on the impacts of a new technology 20 years is not a long time to study and unravel the implications and the effects of this technology as the technology Marya ggressive li iterates and evolves so by the time you're done conducting your long-term study the technology has changed dramatically from when you started doing your long-term study and it's you're kind of back to square one again with trying to focus on one specific aspect and it's gonna take us a long time to study each of these individual components addictive behavior sleep impact and again the science on sleep is horrific the Joe Rogan podcast just recently had a sleep scientist on and your your your ability to fight cancer if you're not getting at least at least seven hours of sleep a night your ability to operate a motor vehicle to fight cancer to perform in your job functions it's like everything is decimated and only point zero zero zero one percent of the population has a brain capable of sustaining prolonged work activities with less than six hours of sleep well that's a huge point zero zero one percent of the population if I talked to certain people I feel like so many people pride themselves on the car I can do just fine on five hours of sleep and you're like yeah but your your risk of getting a terrible disease or of a coronary issue or some kind of brain problem are are substantially impacted by that and we don't know the full effects of utilizing modern technology as it influences our sleep habits and that's one data point right so we need to have studies on computers TVs laptops cell phones in total in this digital lifestyle that we've created and we need to look at that over a long period of time with a good sample size of a population just so that we can unravel that one point on sleep and then we have to do that for every other aspect of Health over probably two or three generations of people before we'll have a good handle on what's good and what's bad this these early indicators are not looking super great for the way that our society currently consumes digital media especially when on the go yeah there is no placebo for that kind of thing really so how do you trol group for something like that I mean the entire process by which we test this okay so it's like we're gonna have to increasingly rely like well we took another 20 people from Amish country study their behavior again as a control group because they're the only people you know that don't have smartphones and even some of those Amish people are starting to have to adapt to the situations where they have to rely on you know even ride-sharing or like something like that a Steve Becker hashtag PN weekly I'm gonna start leaving my phone in the fridge so that it always stays fresh just like there was um there was like a really good urban legend like if your microwave is leaking radiation put your cell phone in the microwave and try and call it and if you get a call through the microwave then it's not properly sealed and I don't think that's actually that's how it works but yeah so I mean again I I think we are I think I am the generation of people who discovered that food could be terrible for you my parents were of the generation that had just figured out that smoking wasn't just bad for you it was awful for you and then eight grand grandparents are just finding out that labor conditions are actually bad didn't have three-year-olds in manufacturing manufacturing economy no um but but moving forward I think will be a transitionary generation that starts developing better habits best practices for how to more in a more healthy fashion incorporate technology into our daily lifestyles the last 10 years have just been an explosion of novelty and now we've got a number of etiquette issues health issues and society issues and legal issues to hammer out what the the best way forward will be for how we use these apps and services and it's going to be a long journey and along the way unfortunately it means that some people will probably be impacted by this this technology in very negative ways information age more like indoctrination age oh now on that note let's move on to Google i/o 2018 we have had plenty of topics to cover just from the keynote itself and some other conversations that we can have offline about other features like Google pay which has had its own improvements happen but let's focus first on Android pee and I feel like we've come over this every single year Wi-Fi battery big focus is here being able to track the processes that take up all the battery life that you have yeah it's in the connectivity is just being able to connect to a network I think from from Oreo to whatever P is I've been calling it Android Pi in my head and I keep waffling back and forth between Android piee and Android P I I actually have been very positive because Google keeps saying on Android were you know this version of Android is gonna run smoother and it's gonna run more efficiently and you're gonna see better battery life and that never really fully comes to pass but Oreo and especially 8.1 I've seen process improvements stability and battery life improvements over running phones on nuga so I'm willing to go with them forward because I like seeing Google get stricter with their initiatives things like project trouble and forcing manufacturers to play ball with updates with bug fixes with security patches you know making manufacturers more responsible for that kind of stuff and delivering some really good benefits like killing background processes Android getting much more brutal about what's allowed to run in the back of your phone that kind of stuff I think is going to be a very positive step moving forward there are a couple other things to that I'd like to see though if if you're gonna push phones with AMOLED screens and you're going to talk to us about battery life why not give us a dark theme you know I that it's gonna be a very minimal power save but every little bit helps and I hate especially using my phone at night even with the brightness all the way down and blinding white notification shades and settings menus is literally the worst so it would be a huge step if you could finally give us the dark theme that's been buried in your developer preview since Android 5 Android I mean it's something that everyone wants and I don't think he who has demonstrated a good reason for that to not really happen but maybe I mean we've seen more things on the app side in relation to night nodes and such but awesome it's great it looks phenomenal and it provides a very high contrast look which even in the middle of daylight in bright direct Sun it's easier to read for me anyway it's easier for me to read light text on a dark background I don't get why Google can't figure this out for their overall system settings when it's something that's appealed since holo theme you know the holo theme on Android devices Windows Phone did this really really well and instead now we're going towards this let's use the most power we can from the screen just to show basic UI elements has never made any sense to me and it's something that I still think is a glaring hole in androids just general UI behavior I don't know whatever testing that they have done in terms of readability or whatnot like just having black stuff as opposed to like a dork you know accent in color and how that would affect their design guidelines or whatever like they have a lot of things to consider and something trivial something not so much but so um before we move on to the next IO story this one's from from og Vinnie madrix on Twitter with the p-n weekly hash tag I'm still trying to figure out how adaptive battery in Android P is different than doze from last year in Oreo and correct me if I'm off base here but it seems to me that adaptive battery is more of an evolutionary step for more aggressive background services control than what doze was if it is I mean it's a whole suite of things and I mean whether the the cool things that I've seen a couple of OEMs I can't recall their actual names but is that you you know when I'm going down at the end of the day at like 30% or Sarah but the phone will actually notifying me that at this rate you'll be your phone will die out at 12:30 a.m. and would you like to turn on battery saver like it's why there's it's more disclosure and it's more being able to fit in sir Taylor the parameters of the battery battery saving mode and such so yeah I sort of like what I'm seeing so far yeah me too and again also sort of I like it when this is like what I like about EMU I on huawei phones when Google starts pulling things at work that work really well in manufacturers skins and then just starts incorporating them into Android and I think the next phase will be like better garbage collection better predictive resource management especially with AI units being built directly into coprocessors on our chipsets that I think will also go a long way towards shoring up some of the holes that we still see in Android yeah and I - one of your big paradigms that you've always referenced in terms of touch square get at I see that there's more distribution in terms of where that happens in terms of specific tasks like ab actions where I mean developers allow all they have to do is get in a actions XML file and they'll be able to you know inserts certain tasks like they want to get if someone's searching up tickets for infinity war they can get those tickets or watch the trailer on YouTube or you know get those tickets on Fandango or slices we're actual tasks like being able to book a ride on lift to your home or to work whether it's line or or the uber XL or something like that like those things are just accessible just by typing in okay here lift and then whatever the heck that you want to tab it out so I mean that those are nice who's going on there now Android P in terms of access is is changing up here because thanks in part to Qualcomm which has upgraded its board support packages for the Snapdragon 820 five six thirty six and six sixty we're seeing eleven devices seven them not Google OMS participate in the Android P beta from this point the public beta so and some of them from Oppo some of them are from vivo oneplus even essential which I I guess it's more of a credit to their own accord of being able to update software quickly because they're running the Snapdragon 835 so I mean but yeah this is a good news overall I guess well in and like a another another data point towards those those system improvements that Google has been trying to showcase for several generations of Android like reaching out to manufacturers and trying to make it easier for updates to happen and now we're starting to see the fruits of that when we can see developer previews on more than just Nexus and pixel devices so again that that gives me a little confidence in some of these manufacturers that are that are building their products in a way where it makes this type of software transition easier the software support faster that's a huge step in the right direction because like Android n is still under five percent market adoption in the billions of cell phones out there running Android like a good thing they made it up to double digits but Android Oh Leo's still kind of is is 5% and that's not good so this is definitely yeah going going yeah you're right going from end oh oh but but it's still like that's that's not a great place to be again how quickly this stuff cycles how quickly threats are detected how many consumers get left out on the cold for basic support let alone full operating system updates to be able to see these tools immediately utilized for a Developer Preview and hopefully that means we see similar interactions between Google and manufacturers for when the the actual update is ready the named PI whatever the P name is the named update is ready for general release would give me a lot more confidence for Android moving forward yeah and I'm also pretty pleasantly surprised at how popular the Android one program has gone out we just saw BQ a European manufacturer do a couple of new devices as well and chummy's doing a couple new devices reportedly and spreading Iran and I think there's good sauce to be taken there if even if they're on lower powered or you know not necessarily the most fast-tracked development boards you know they are still able to get fast direct Google updates just for the fact that they are running fairly clean software so I mean it's a you know all these steps that Google's taking might be seen as a closing of the gilding of the little lowly but i think it's far past time that there's some competition between Google and Apple in delivering fast software updates as universally as possible truth very very true now alongside some of those operating system updates this this one I thought was just kind of a cute little moment in the actual i/o keynote where they were talking about smartphones creating this culture of FOMO fear of missing out and so there placing their Google is trying to replace fear of missing out with the jomo joy of missing out by introducing this dashboard which tracks your behavior on your Android device shows you what you're doing how you're doing it when you're doing it and might be a data point for some consumers to alter their behavior if if they're not necessarily engaged in the healthiest relationship with their phone getting back to the story that we talked about in our news block I this this kind of stuff I feel is is made with the best of intentions but for the people who actually do care about their behavior with the phone I think this is just gonna stress them out that they're not getting their their steps in on their fitness tracker like they should be they're not putting their phone down like they should be and for the general mass population of people out there this is something that they'll likely just ignore and continue using their phones the way that they always have yeah they really have to get in to the dashboard and set the app timer so that they and the set up the notification setup shush which in reality is a pretty good idea you just flip the phone over and that's it do not disturb but yeah it's a yeah well it depends I mean if people are really that invested they might actually dig in and figure it out but then again this is also you know again I I'll be curious to see what we can do in the technology space which might actually impact consumer behavior there seems to be sort of just a momentum at play as to how people use this stuff like I look at Facebook as being a perfect example of this no one seems to like Facebook everyone seems to hate this service it's it's developed a really terrible reputation but you know it's where everyone else is so I should keep my Facebook page to like there's just this weight of momentum keeping Facebook alive outside of the the numerous apps and services that they've acquired like Instagram and whatsapp you know this is a nice gesture on Google's but I don't think that it'll move the needle on actually influencing consumer behavior it's just something that's that's kind of neat for them to show off that they're making a good-faith effort to give us the tools to alter our behavior and I don't think that's really gonna change anything I don't think that's yeah I think one thing that has been made clear is that Google will be Google they will do the privacy policies that they must and if they come against any opposition it will be dealt with in court and they'll have to sort things out after that so it's it feels like you know this is all data labor and it's all free on the part of you know the company's just being able to grab it and deal with it as they wish so I don't know how we change that dynamic but it is certainly one that has a lot of people worried yeah definitely uh moving right along oh we already talked about that my my stories are out of order sorry um I wanted to touch on this one a little bit just because I think it's just such an interesting gimmick that seems to get people lit up but it's the notion of utilizing celebrity voices on our on our gadgets and electronics now the moment John Legend like he shot his what was it is the music video for some song on the pistol - JC superstar I thought he was pretty good as Jesus Christ and JC Superstar am i back in theater production and dance I thought he did well um but no it's the big story is Google assistants gonna get new voices I think we've all had that experience on our phones where you've got this really great voice assistant thing happening and then on Google Maps you just take a random turn and something locks up and you get robot boys forward to directions and then it goes back to being normal again so improvements there I think are really great but again they've got to showcase it by by utilizing you know a celebrity to get people excited and you're like this is something that we keep dipping our toe into and pulling back out like Tom Tom you had all of the novelty voices for TomTom navigators and you could get Yoda or an owner Arnold Schwarzenegger impersonator my favorite was John Cleese where he would actually be wondering this is really John Cleese I can assure you it is because I need the money you know like hilarious for your turn-by-turn navigation but they're um there is an interesting black mirror issue at play here where that kind of celebrity voice sampling with new tools coming out like Adobe's ability to sonically capture someone's voice and recreate elements of that voice and make that voice say things that it didn't actually say we are pushing towards how do we verify the truth how do we verify reality and for as neat and is fun and is light-hearted as this is that they can sample John's legend John Legend's voice and use him as your Google assistant voice it brings up a number of security political and news reporting situations that I think we're woefully unprepared to tackle right now yes I mean the moment that Vocaloid gets acquired by Google I mean that's it's gonna be one hell of a bride and we'll be all left behind in terms of trying to catch up so have you seen you Dobby demo though I think who is it is it I've seen their other demos of you know like Donald Trump like they even have the footage matched to the speech pattern and he's using for a fake speech yeah and and those still look really rough like there's the one with President Obama - and and yeah there's enough uncanny valley but the one that really freaked me out was the live stage demo Adobe did with Kegel keegan-michael key and they just well and you say this one sentence and then we can cut this word out and put this word in and completely change the meaning of what you said and then and like I know it's just a staged demo like that's polished under the best situation Adobe is is showcasing the best but how that process could function in a couple years based on a very limited swath of audio sampling is is literally terrifying like that is ridiculously scary how much better that's going to be over the next couple years and again I'm sitting there watching Google i/o like oh cool new voice assistance Oh John Legend a celebrity I'm watching them doing the recording then they do the sample output of John Legend and you're like oh oh this could be bad that's good get real bad real fast well I mean if we could replace all of the Eurovision competitors which is happening right now with all this this new voice technology and then maybe that'd be great I don't know maybe maybe we won't have a lot of fantastic lines or like that bearded lady that that that one the thing one time anyways let's talk about some of the other Google assistant features that are coming up like continued conversations and multiple actions this is all just realizing the context being able to hold a natural conversation not having to listen out for hey Google every single time you're just able to talk back once you're done apologies if you have your speakers on we just through the hot word on your phone hey Google I hope you're wearing earphones hey let's subscribe to the pocket now weekly more phones just lit up on my desk no results but it did it did send him the stitcher so I that's a good start I almost got us an extra subscriber hashtag sponsored kids well just like in with Alexa they'll there's a pretty please mode yeah yeah that's pretty nice delivery like connecting third-party BOTS via assistant for delivery services such as Domino's 7-elevens Starbucks all these all these things are pretty nice smart we got an update on spark displays apparently they'll be out in July or June and more that's coming our way and then there is a duplex and this is a kind of a new territory that we're going into here obviously when the demo happened it wasn't a live demo but it was recorded and it sounded like it was a pretty good piece the 7000 audience members that that developer competent conference were kind of like standing up and cheering and the demo I mean we know that this is using Google assistant to actually communicate with people it's using those voices which we're talking we were talking about yeah so your Google assistant will go and make a phone call to a restaurant to a car rental service and will be your assistant well we'll tackle the communication with a living breathing human being in a conversational fashion even including ohms and Oz as you know those like sort of human markers in a conversation uh well yeah we're looking for a table for seven around 3:00 p.m. you know like trying trying to actually manage that this is one of those like I really wished I was able to have seen hi Mays response to this because he's been he's been so critical of voice assistance because it's like well they're not really my assistant if I have I'm trying to do my Honduran bravado if I have an assistant I tell my assistant go and book travel for me or go and get a restaurant reservation or try and make sure that you know my hotel is taken care of and I can't do anything with a voice assistant and now it's looking like oh holy crap like we're getting to that point radically fast what what did you think of the creepy factor like if you have Google assistant making a restaurant reservation on your behalf I feel the assistant should disclose up front that this human being is talking to a machine well yeah I mean that's one of the things that Google is trying to you know incorporate as best possible and like but in terms of all that like they're working on that they're working on future applications there were also but one thing that I should note from the chairman of the board at alphabet which is Google's parent company is that he says that this this whole duplex thing passes the Turing test but only in terms of making a reservation it doesn't pass in general terms but it passes in that domain and that's really an indication of what's coming and given that all the stuff that we have mentioned before I think even without even with disclosure even within the bounds of what Google is you know is limiting this to at this point I think for this is one of the few things that Google should keep proprietary as best as possible because who knows who else will get this hands-on this thing if it this becomes open-source and we start talking know I agree with you the Google's actual actual implementation of this will hopefully be copyrighted and trademarked out the wazoo with an army of lawyers ready to defend it and that it stays proprietary to google internal technologies again for the privacy implications for the data collection the behavioral implications and just for this being another instance of technology interacting directly with human beings I can only imagine other companies working on similar projects because you know Google's showing this means that it's gotten to a point where they feel comfortable showing it but that that that means that there are probably an army of other startups and larger corporations that are working on similar styles of human technology interaction and just wait until you get a programmed voice AI or programmed voice bot that's all about robo calling for a campaign season you know just just how much more effective and how much more weaponized that's going to be and spreading disinformation or um trying to gin up controversies or I or just how obnoxious that poorer versions of this are going to be you know like when you try and call your bank or try and call your doctor's office to set up an appointment and they've gotten rid of their secretary because we've got this great voice assistant that works even better and is indefatigable and 24/7 and you don't even need to have a person manning the phones as a job anymore but they don't have Google's tech and it's gonna be terrible and we're all gonna hate it we're gonna be in for a number of startling transitions like that but tell me like Jules that you didn't get to the end of that demo especially the one where they called the the Asian restaurant and there's like this great crazy miscommunication as to what they're trying to do and they eventually still get to the desired result but at some point and very very soon I would imagine in the next couple years that like my voice assistants just gonna be talking to other Google Voice assistants carrying out all of these business transactions for me and I won't be involved in any of it and eventually they'll let me know like just what I need to do like it's like we're already getting to that point of it'll be machines talking to machines we won't even need to pretend that like calling people on the phone is a worthwhile activity it's the personal concierge that we've always wanted and until everyone connects their BOTS up to the main Googlebot well we're still gonna have to use phones and vocal communications in some ways you know just outside of reservations at all so you know being able to you know express a clear concise message at points where this is needed then we're working our way towards that until then this is kind of the stepping stone that sorta needs to be taken oh and this is a we've got a number of tweaks on this using the PN weekly hash tag but this one this is why I'm both excited and a little creeped out for this technology from renato Laporte pianned weekly if I have a business I don't care who is booking to come and visit my place be it a machine a person or a parrot I don't care but what I care about renato is a major corporation like google is using voice eh I technologies to interact with other corporations and businesses who if they don't know they're talking to a machine then there is a problem with disclosure because I would have to believe just like with Google Voice and voice translation for my for your voicemails your voice your employee interacting with that voice assistant is probably being recorded analyzed dissected that interaction being compiled into a successful interaction or an unsuccessful interaction and that I do believe should require some kind of disclosure if I talk to a voice assistant and it's a nefarious or a bad actor and they take my voice recordings of my voice and they start analyzing that data or replicating that data I should have some disclosure that that's something like that is occurring yeah and just even by some of the scams like one of them you know they ask a question right from the start of the call and they you know the recipient says yes and then they you know use that clip of yes to basically you know have them somehow agree to was you know these stupid contracts that yeah it's just it's stupid so and and it's been hilarious like the evolution of robocalls to because we're seeing a humongous uptick in robocall scams happening right now one of those that you just detailed this like we can record you saying yes and apply this to anything and you now have to fight it and prove that you didn't agree to this to this contractor to this arrangement but even just how annoying some of them are where you pick up the phone and you hear though hello I'm sorry oh hey sorry about that I think we just had a bad connection anyway I want to talk to you about a reverse mortgage hi I can't hang up fast enough and plug that number dang it yeah well that stinks yeah we should probably wrap up these last couple points here because we've got some Google photos news and some Google Maps news what do you want to hit I think well Google photos but if only for one thing which is the colorizing of black and white photos because that I feel like has it Turner like a feature piece about the art of colorizing these black-and-white photo it's not just you know you know willy-nilly you use algorithms like you have to actually look into a film and you have to actually you know see the color space that was being able to achieve like it there's a whole bunch of stuff and just to have this you know in the palm of our hands I mean it's one of those it's one of those moments where it's you know it's like it's interesting yeah you know I agree like I'm I'm not super positive on this because I have a deep love of black-and-white photography and I there's so many I know there's we were looking at old photos it was a limitation of the time that people weren't shooting in color but that also men those early photographers were looking at how to compose their shots and balance light and contrast and exposure for the medium that they were working in and I'm not particularly excited about the notion of just slapping some color on one of those photos in in much the same way that I sort of I disagree with altering films you know when George Lucas testified before Congress about what Ted Turner was trying to do in colorizing movies and then George Lucas turns around and just kept tree editing Star Wars over and over and over again until it was a very different movie than what he set out to originally create I feel that there should be some some respect of the preservation of what old media really resembled that and I didn't even think that their example the the the photo that we just showed if you were watching the YouTube stream of you know a woman and a kid on a bench I don't even think that looks good that looks like a terrible Instagram filter to me and it didn't think it was a good example to showcase what Google was trying to accomplish by putting colorization tools into into google photos like that that doesn't look good that's not what I would want to show and then you look at the black and white photo that they took it from and that has character and it has a feel to it of the time that it was created and this just looks like you put a sepia filter but you only in Picasa it doesn't it doesn't really to me reflect like what what this should have looked like if it had been shot on film so why are we playing this game why are we playing the why are we messing with this media already even like HDR tools I find way too aggressive in juicing up photos more than they need to be and now now we can do the same to your black and white photos too and like no I shoot black and white when I want to capture the look or feel of something dramatic or high contrast and and I think we lose something when we alter our media that way I guess part of that may be coming to it like coming from the methods and being able to identify objects and whatnot and just assigning colors as opposed to the traditional kind of palette matching methods and whatnot so I mean different products for you know different methods but yeah I think it's cool but this is actually gonna be pushed into I I think it's already rolling out to select handsets running using Google photos as a tech demo I think what you're saying is really cool you know the ability for algorithms to scan a scene and apply information in a really novel way not just oh well you know we made the grass green and you know you just added like a really bad color palette or sepia palette or something like that as an example of machine learning technology I think that's cool but as an actual consumer facing product I just it makes me sad like I go back and I look at my old family photos and we have black and white photos and film negatives and slides we actually had a slide camera my grandfather had a slide camera and so scanning all of those negatives and scanning all of those slides and having really high-quality digital archives of our existing film and slide archives is really cool I don't look at those black-and-white photos and think oh but if only we could make them in color like no that's that's actually preserving my family's history and I don't want to see family members just running off and like oh well look now we made like you know if your great-great-grandmother here's a an HD are super colorful and pop low look at the Reds on this that's that that doesn't that doesn't move you know well you don't what you well you don't want to be able to at least see your you know relatives of that era in at least some sort of color no I'm not III I'm not interested in altering the the history of my family's media just because it's gonna look kinda neat now when it's not even gonna look good like again I look at some of those old photos and you know like they have an H well it wasn't like we kept our film negatives in archive quality containers what Google will do to those photos I think will look bad and it's gonna a lot of people are gonna be convinced that that looks good just because it's novel and its new and it's hip just like really super aggressive HDR looked interesting so people started to conflate that with this is good color for photography that's not true it's just it's novel and it's fresh and it's exciting that you can do it as easily as you can that doesn't necessarily mean you get a good photo you just get a really colorful photo like saying you know Sunny D is good for you because it's thicker than orange juice and has more sugar I that's not that's not what I want to see happen to media it's you know like that's your pick no I mean you look at like the working with an Ansel Adams and you're like would any of that photography be improved if we could slap color filters on it and no no because he was crafting an experience that was that the depended on the medium that he was creating it in I that that to me is what I feel we kind of Lou when we make everything sort of the auto-awesome approach greenbox everything's on the rails the computer does all the heavy lifting for you and you just generally vaguely point the camera in one direction with no technique and no examination and no quality discussion on what makes an image interesting we we lose out on this and now we're having all these tools on the back end to try and fix problems that don't really exist black-and-white images are not a problem and they look good and they they are of a time they preserve a history so that that to me is is disappointing that it got as much play in the Google Photos discussion as it did yeah Muhammed Islam on YouTube chat leave my black and white photos alone they told a lot they took a lot of time to compose and it was done in one shot so yeah definitely some concerns over there speaking of no technique no skill what about navigating because I'm not sure how often you go underground and you take the subway but for the likes of me and Jaime and the rest of us at York I wish I could do more of it but California is not really known for its public transit that's starting to and you know if I ever go there then I might have to rely on that as opposed to uber or or anyone anything else basically but gods of I'll try visual positioning systems are becoming a new thing for Google just by using the camera google lens and identifying businesses as they pop up you turn on your camera and you come out at the subway and your GPS is not really doing its thing you turn well there you go you've sparked a business over there oh now you realize that you're facing north instead of this general direction we're even you're even located at a place where you really aren't supposed to be like five blocks from here or something like that so it's a it's a great improvement for you know having to be able to remember which direction which orientation your train came out of and what the northwest corner of this street is designated as an exit of or you know it's it's better that's great well I think this is an excellent example of a are and machine learning improving something that that was kind of annoying this wasn't like a tragic I can't use this device all uh tur failure of Google Maps and walking directions it's it's hilarious that every single time I'm in San Francisco I do that thing where I have walking directions up after I get out of get off the BART and I start walking in one direction and it's almost a guarantee like 99% of the time I'm walking in the wrong direction and it takes fours couple steps before you know Google Maps catches up and points me it the right direction or it looks like you're walking backwards because it's telling that you that you're facing what direction and what exactly other yeah it especially is the compass in our phone can can get pretty confused so instead of trying to instead of trying to pry into user information like we saw when Google got tagged for using people's Wi-Fi as place markers in Google Maps AR and machine learning to analyze the scene with the incredible amount of data that Google has on location information and being able to match what you see with their archives of businesses and stores and streets and stuff like that this to me is is a significant consumer benefit that we can see from an early implementation of AR and this is this is exactly what I helped we build the the backbone on for future services because imagine having just very simple arrow pop-up heads-up display tools for your car and being able to navigate that way off of you know a camera on the dome of your of your hood looking at streets and locations and and intersections and being able to better guide you through tricky navigation situations so this this to me is is humongous step forward which is in a very subtle fashion the the service that I hope to see iterate on for improvements moving forward I'm just wondering when wearing a our headsets will be a socially acceptable thing in public loved about vine you know like I would totally rock some hipster nerd glasses you know nerd frames the big although I don't think they would be BC best fit for this purpose because they're more intended to be out of the way then no but I mean like heads up what we're saying for that is an implementation Vance was the first generation of this type of system that had actually made it into a functional prototype if we could have built off of that and we could have learned from that and we didn't have to build in huge batteries because you have active powered displays instead of your instead you're using these little like laser projectors that can maybe also track you to different quadrants like maybe you do want to look up into the right for a certain piece of information maybe you do want to project when you're looking straight ahead just a little arrow pops up into your field of view and it doesn't have to be super high res or you know so what you're looking at pop-up sort of like fashion pieces and oh here's the look that is available at Target right now do you want to buy it you look at buy now and that's that then suddenly you have in your hands or you're looking at a YouTube video superimposed in front of something that you just searched up from looking at this like brick wall or something and Pink Floyd starts popping up so yeah I just mean like avant was the first step in what could have been the perfect solution for how twitchy people are about having funky goggles or Google glass Borg screens and you know like face computing in general and it's just it just sucks because that could have been a really discrete way to handle all this but this is what's exciting about the service moving forward Google Maps actually improving their eye I hope that we see some some better refinement because I've actually personally been having a lot of problems with Google Maps on phones that have been updated to Oreo it's been running really flaky for me trying get around la which has been a bummer so I'd like to see that just you know get some new features and now that we see some new features Google lens is going to be coming to a handful of phones over the next week I'm gonna be playing with it on the g7 hopefully next week and maybe share some thoughts on that as I walk around la that uh that kind of improvement then now that we have the new features what I hope to see is that we'll get back to a couple iterations on just fixing bugs and improving stability yeah yeah and we hope that all these features be at Android P or all these other services that Google is offering me now get those improvements and maybe not we don't have to wait until the next year for certain little features to pop up and just saying Google I'm just saying well um on that I think we've we've covered quite a bit of what went down and obviously if you think we we missed anything I hope you'll reach out and drop us online hit us up on the emails podcast at pocketnow.com where we'll collect a handful of messages at the end of the month do a listener mailbag reply especially for your comments your questions and anything else you guys want to talk about and there you have it folks another episode of the PocketNow weekly has come and gone this show is over but the conversation continues on Twitter where Jules is at point Jules and I'm humbly at some gadget guy pocket now is around the web on Twitter Instagram Facebook Google+ YouTube and our home sites pocketnow.com and es pocketnow.com for 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