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and we're live all right welcome to the PocketNow weekly this week LG appoints a new president for their mobile division Andy Rubin steps down from his position at essential and does Samsung have the balls to make a graphene battery I have to give Jules props for that that was a pretty good as a triple entendre we've got a lot to talk about so make sure you're charged and ready for episode two eight one of the PocketNow weekly recorded December 1st at noon pacific this weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets that make our lives mobile smartphones tablets and wearables it's all the stuff you wished existed when you were a kid I'm Juan Carlos bag now senior editor at pocketnow.com joined as always by plucky podcast producer mr. Jules Wong out on the East Coast how's it going buddy boy I mean graphene battery is there a very complicated issue so that triple entendre will be explained it will do so in short time verily we here today yeah I mean I we've been talking about battery technology since like the earliest days of cellphones and so this could be a potentially exciting development you know you read stories on reddit about improvements to batteries and then it's always like and then maybe this could come to consumers 20 years in the future where finally it sounds like we're already at that stage because we've been talking about that's that'll be a nice transition from there you know like the future tech kinds of stories that we we talk about you know it's only then that we start talking about flying car so I mean it's just this barrier and then on our way I'm still hardcore against flying cars until humanity is no longer navigating or piloting their vehicles I'm serious I like I look I look at Back to the Future 2 and I think what a hellscape one of those things falls out of the sky it could kill so many people III do not want the responsibility of piloting an aerial vehicle III don't learn that I'm not at Tron and that has a lot of navigational elements to that I just kept crashing into walls and those at the line so yeah I was a big fan of the Tron you know especially playing like old-school snake I liked I liked my little light speed racer' battle plan but that's not what this podcast is about this week uh we've got a pretty heavy news a week this this show we've got a lot to talk about just in terms of the happenings surrounding the mobile industry will definitely be fielding your questions during the broadcast and we'll be saving your emails for our end of the month viewer mail bag but definitely keep sending those in because we've already got a couple that I've highlighted and flagged some stuff I want to talk about when we get to the end of December especially because that'll be an end-of-the-year show we'll definitely want your feedback and your input there and Jules how might someone get in contact with us if they want to join the conversation simple and straightforward you'd go on to twitter and you put the hash tag key and weekly into whatever you want to comment about and we'll be able to see it and respond to it live during the show so hash tag being weekly on Twitter and we'll just talk to you like that sounds good alright uh Jules let's jump right into this news block do you want to just run down the headlines and then we can go back and talk about the story that's just super over ends this week so for the week of November 25th 2017 this is all the news that the podcast LG has a new president for its chronically money-losing mobile division Juno Cho is moving within the company Wow quand Yong Quan a relative unknown takes over we do know that he was involved in R&D for one of the tables first smartphones back in 2009 but that's really about it even with acclaimed flagship phones and a breath of midranges the company has hired a financial challenges for poor sales performance for the past in the tidal wave of sexual harassment claims in the United States essential products founder Andy Rubin has taken lead from the company following a report from the information that found his former employer Google had internally investigated him for an inappropriate work relationship the co-creator of Android apparently left shortly she had finished apple and Qualcomm are entangled in patent lawsuits on not just modems but also battery management qualcomm is looking for a sales injection on iphones over these patents well it's rumored that Apple is looking to design and manufacture its own power controller chip the chip could displace one small supplier in favor of its choice chipset provider TSMC with installations on iPhones iPads and Apple watch is starting by 2018 but Apple Black Friday weekend sales where the iPhone 10 were really healthy Rosenblatt Securities estimates that of the 15 million iPhones sold in those days six million have been shipped costing 999 dollars or more all this going towards a total goal of at least 80 million units shipped this holiday season Verizon is itching to launch 5g service next year but I'm for your phones next internet service aka home broadband will be coming to at least three markets in 2018 perhaps up to five all to see if Wireless will provide the same quality connection as wireline the big cellular industry associations have yet to finalize 5g specifications subtract is relaunching its interface in the next few days it will move stories from friends over to the left side swipe from the main camera panel where direct messages can already be accessed on the right side remains content from big publishers CEO Evan Spiegel says this is an attempt to truly separate the social from the media algorithms will also be implemented to sort up and content to the tops of those pages motorola started publicly testing android million on the Moto X pure edition in late March in announced that the update was official in late September and it was up until late last month that the majority of users have finally seen Bob date moved on to their device and installed apparently Sprint users net first dibs over the past couple of months well last couple of weeks saw off Rison and the GSM networks get into the update Samsung is in in conjunction with Seoul National University has reached into a research paper into how he was able to stabilize the highly but somewhat fragile material graphene in two ball forms for use in batteries compared with lithium-ion technology a full charge can be done in a fifth of the time it was 45% more capacity for the space held for in South Korea and in the United States and finally one year on Johnny I was just not loving the design for that iPhone 7 he made it sold millions and millions of units just like many other iPhones before and yet he called its design disconnected when comparing it to the iPhone 10 Apple's chief design officer made that remark while being interviewed by Smithsonian magazine for having been given its American ingenuity award so let's take things back to the top and talk about how LG has continued to fail over the years I understand that you had a little rants going on on your child to give the digest of what oh yeah so you know where things are not like sort of appropriate for the kind of polished presentation that we put up on pocket now I've been doing some just like little vlogs like I've been doing travel vlogs and things on my own personal channel youtube.com slash long back now but but this last week I really wanted to see if I could take a look at every major manufacturer that we reviewed and see if I could pinpoint what I thought their biggest mistake of the year was and so I've already got videos up on Samsung Motorola LG I'm gonna put up Google's this evening the day that this podcast is streaming live and LG it's it's been a consistent issue with with LG's mobile division over the last couple years that they've started putting on some really interesting pressure with their V Series phones I think they've finally figured out what they want to do with the G Series moving forward but it doesn't matter if the company is starting to execute on producing better products if they're not advertising those products if they're not really trying to get on get it get boots on the ground to interact with consumers and so hearing this move this management decision scrapping the person who's currently in charge of the mobile division and bringing in some fresh new blood as you mentioned in the rundown he's he's a relative unknown in this ecosystem I'm I have higher hopes that maybe this this individual will try to work towards doing something a bit more subversive or a bit more disruptive to the way that LG has been doing business in the past so we've seen a sort of split and strategy with the flagship gmv series coming along and the V has been always that video that multimedia crazy kind of thing with the Jessup garden but it's a hit record undoing all the crowd-sourced and you have not always been the fan of those whereas the G Sirius has been more whimsical has been more of an all-round sort of image that has not been well understood I mean the one that I received yeah what was the one with the clown's of whoever the heck was Daniel day-lewis or something know is uh-oh Jason Statham yeah decent drag riding on the back of a motorcycle that he is also driving like so now in the hipster car wash car wash shark leaping hoofer LG also now when we look at what they're trying to accomplish in their messaging I'm having a really hard time trying to nail down who is it that they're trying to appeal to what emotional triggers are they trying to employ and what does this say about the tone of their company and the tone of the products that they produce and when I pick up an LG V Series I don't think light-hearted whimsical fun millennial phone I think durable rugged productivity and content creation you know so you can overlap with some youtubers and do some fun stuff there too but where's that commercial that just showcases or highlights that not only does LG have a 3.5 millimeter headphone jack still in their phone built into their phone but that it is it is by far the highest quality piece of audio equipment that any manufacturer has turned out for a mobile device you know that is a talking point that's worth mentioning and yet we have near radio silence when it comes to their their messaging in their marketing and you combine that with sort of an awkward launch for both the v20 and the v30 announcing a product and then it taking weeks before you can get pricing and availability for different regions around the world absolutely sucks all the momentum all of the wind out of the sails and it's a really difficult way to try and have a conversation with potential consumers when this industry iterates really quickly every major manufacturer has beginning of year and end of year announcements to make hardware deliveries and LLG consistently feels like they're always playing catch-up when they're often one of the first to make an announcement you know the g6 arriving before the galaxy s 8 the the V 30 being announced before before the end of most of the end-of-the-year competition and we still really didn't have proper final retail grade hardware in our hands until we were already well into reviewing other devices it's not a good look for a company that with some serious missteps and we can always point to the g4 and v10 era of blooping devices I had terrible experiences with the g5 but on the whole this is a company that can turn out some great products that doesn't matter if consumers don't know they exist know it doesn't so hopefully this I know this I guess the protege of LG's smart phone legacy okay hopefully turn that around and meantime one of the prodigies of our smartphone ecosystem to this day oh actually before before moving on sorry Jules I just pulled our Twitter feed back up we are getting some chatter using the p-n weekly hash tag I do just want to throw this one in from Andrew Wallace a friend of the show he was a guest a couple weeks back I'd help us talk about some mobile news I'm gonna throw this one to you Jules do you think Andrew Wallace writes at hashtag p.m. weekly do you feel that LG needs to make changes to the hardware side in addition to the advertising side what do you think about the quality of product that LG putting out as compared to my rant about how they advertise their product well I mean we're already seeing a lot of convergence between the big brands Apple LG Samsung in their design language for their products its shame that the v-series had to go along with that but i guess i understand by the compact form as well as just holding them to device itself is kind of one of the big triggers at a smart phone at the carrier but it was of just a harvard design and making sure that every base is covered i'm going to see more more models not necessarily of the you know like o wide range of specs but just different upper level tiers we want to see more use of that snapshot in six thirty or sixty sixty or whatever that is just so that because a a little bit more not modularity but a little different look I want I want to see more looks and with comparable performance with something that can just no I agree some some kind of I think a well structured diversity of their lineup would definitely be appreciated because I think LG carries a reputation for making to flagships and then a whole in the United States obviously this is gonna be a little bit different in Europe where I think they're what is it the X power and the different lineups there that I think they've got a little bit more saturation over when you cross the Atlantic but here in the United States it's like LG carries that reputation for $200 phones and 600 plus dollar phones that then very quickly drop in price so I would definitely love to see LG make a targeted and considered mid-range option I would love to see them take the venture they're clone of a galaxy active a rugged phone and put a 630 or a 660 in that device and really make sure that that is a proper 4 to $500 option and then they can focus on not diluting the g-series make the g-series a premier flagship not like sort of beginning of your follow-up from the end of last year kind of device kind of like what we got with the g6 this year that I would definitely love to see I think in terms of design and style though I'm not too concerned about where LG's at right now I think they've arrived at a design language that makes sense for them I think their next biggest challenge is really gonna be whether or not they can get after their QA gremlins again consistency becomes a big issue and while their phones aren't boot looping if you're gonna work in OLED against Samsung you need to have a really high quality and consistent display being delivered to consumers mm-hmm so I mean LG has its problems to sort out and we'll let them be hopefully we'll see what happens in 2018 if that kind of rain can will be affected by then but really not luck to you another pioneer as I said of our smartphone ecosystem but has coming on what weakens consider well just this upsurge in sexual harassment attention towards these cases and towards the victims of them towards survivors and it's here that we find that Andy Rubin has been caught up in all this and has to basically he's been serving as the distraction for what his firm has been doing with essential products and idea of this ecosystem where everything just works out where multiple services come together as one and he's always been the failure end of this company is we cannot like stress enough that this guy is the person who founded was them the most influential smartphone platform to the state but like what do you what do you think like does it help us or hurt us in the first place to even continue to invoke his name throughout all this stuff and like because I mean the thing is he's never he's never gonna be completely excised from the conversation he's Andy Rubin and he has I mean if we could dedicate an entire podcast to all of the things that Andy Rubin has helped create and helped sort of birth in addition to Android his his footprint on the mobile computing landscape is pretty large I it's a disappointing aspect of where we're at right now where so many public figures are being called out for potential abuse or potential misdeeds but this is this is something that I think needs to happen culturally where an individual's ability to raise their voice and speak in opposition to a powerful figure and to speak in opposition to abuse is a really new concept and so we're just now as a society figuring out how we want or how we should be coping with allegations of abuse investigating what might have transpired between someone in a position of power against an underling and it's gonna be rough for a while these kinds of cultural evolutionary moments don't shouldn't happen quickly but right now the novelty of having a platform and having the ability to broadcast a message and not you know be vetted by a TV news network or some sort of political organization or a major corporation is so fresh that this conversation is happening publicly faster than we can cope with how we should be what what would like proper justice should look like so it you know Andy Rubin is getting caught up in that and you know I'm disappointed but this is something that needs to happen not just in terms of sexual misconduct sexual harassment or you know a forced abuse rape anything like that but also just so much of our our business so much of our politics is built on systemic abuse you know working employees in in difficult conditions for low pay in in the entertainment industry where I come from I used to work at a talent agency you I was technically paid under minimum wage because they had a loophole that they could exploit because of all the overtime I was going to be working while angry agents would like throw staplers at walls and stuff like that when a deal didn't go their way you would think that someone who was born out of that mail room mentality when they're finally in a position of power they would think you know what you know I I don't need to continue this cycle of abuse but instead the agents who actually make it through that process tend to be even harder on the people coming up then then their situation was when they were coming up so this this this whole culture this whole conversation and I think most people in their respective industries can point to aspects of their career which you know the hazing process or the abuse process or the you know like suck it up and you just got to deal with it process of getting to a decent respectable management or mid-level to your position someplace where you have a little agency over your own life I think most people could point to aspects of their job that they don't appreciate or they they don't like and which frankly are not necessary to do good business in the 21st century I hope that this conversation can expand into those realms as well not only do we have a severe clear and present issue with misconduct sexual misconduct and sexual abuse but hopefully that can spread to all other areas where we could make this a lot nicer for everybody we could make this a lot easier for everybody and unfortunately if that means having to tear down a few of our idols then I think that's that's worth the cost to get to a place where we're not doing business like this we shouldn't be doing business like this and we can do better yeah yeah wholeheartedly agreed there I personally don't have anything to add since I've never really been part of a traditional workplace type of situation but I mean I I know that I've stood up for a couple of people I'm not gonna say who to tell their story for them you know they they got harassed in the you know it's I think everyone has a role to play in terms of just doing it in taking their own initiative wherever they happen to be whether it be a workplace or there's something else but not going to straight too far into that we do have more news to me and I'm sure you know folks watching if you have thoughts on this definitely drop us a tweet drop us a comment it's it's a it's a sticky situation and it's something that I think a lot of people are going to be emotional about but it's one of those we're only one of those appreciated conversations that has in it's well past time to have so definitely yeah let's talk about Apple and Qualcomm the the brew continues to go haha I don't know where that came from but Powermat new problem Enderman chips is just one of the chips that Qualcomm has in terms of wanting to get a sales ban imports injunction against Apple and it doesn't seem like crass like Travis is gonna close up anytime soon it's probably not in fact it'll probably grow wider you know so I mean what does this what does this we're now moving into a period where Apple is trying to get more and more of its components under its own design we see we saw that with graphics with imagination technologies having to take a big fall having moved away from its supplier and now we're seeing a centralized control in tsfc because they also they make their Apple a processors and now they're going to make a power controller ship that's going to go on all through all three major form factors for Apple's mobile products so that's oh and this is also with you know we we know apples trying to make the move of using Intel for radio management for her motives I mean this is an escalating arms race between these two ginormous players um real quick just as a tangent to this did I make up reading a story that the Qualcomm Broadcom acquisition was gonna fall through or that that was being pulled off the table or did I did I imagine that no I well Qualcomm rejected broad comms bid okay so that that's those that actually works in Apple's favor I am oh where you know Apple can still rely on Broadcom controllers and their phones and they don't have to worry about increased leverage for model wants compound very badly and they're there's a investor battle going on to see how much more yeah how much more of an offer Broadcom is willing to make Broadcom is down to bargain hard so yeah 500 billion dollar market cap I would imagine so yeah and Qualcomm has just not been performing at all really it's been very stale and it's topped out but at what like maybe just over 80 $80 a share at some point in the past might need so um you know for them investors want that $80 for sure as a premium and it's interesting interesting to see but it sounds like if both sides keep on insisting on this then a one-player going ahead with all the silicon in their hands which is but just getting back to the story and getting back to Apple this is this is one of those situations where again Apple has the clout and Apple has the resources to actually take a couple hits you know I it can it can weather negative stories about Intel radios for two or three generations of phone with almost no perceptible you know impact on sales as they're sorting out how it is that they're going to go about making this transition and so if any company can sort of separate themselves from the Qualcomm ecosystem in a meaningful fashion and find alternatives for the products and services that Qualcomm I mean it's literally only Apple at this point that I think could could do that and so what we're seeing here is I think the smartest play Apple has while they're going through these escalating lawsuits about who's using what IEP and who's not licensing what products properly this is probably Apple's smartest play I don't know that I'm I'm really invested in one side or the other I feel like kind of a shake-up in the market needs to happen regardless of what these giant players of who these giant players might be but you know we know Qualcomm definitely exerts a significant amount of leverage based on their current market position and we know Apple engages in business practices which aren't always the nicest because of their market position and if two companies are gonna do battle I mean they're well joined these two companies are about the best that you could point to for doing this kind of legal battle I mean they have all the big guns there as well just throw it around whoever gets left out in the in the crossfire is well they're toast I mean I can't imagine the Bill of the legal billable hours I mean it's it's what this is like I should have been a tech lawyer I just can't imagine the just insane amount of money that's being dumped into you know courtroom appearances and negotiating so I mean the yeah be gone from that talking about that iPhone 10 and those six million sales that are going towards the eighty million goal it's apparently hope that's we're going to see somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 million iPhone 10 sales throughout the quarter so that Black Friday boost was definitely needed in terms of that but I was wondering how we're going to make the rest of it up with the iPhone the case because we're still seeing depress demand for iPhone 8 iPhone 8 plus just not the new shiny thing that apparently Jony ive wants us to levitate towards so well what do you think so the the iPhone 8 launch was necessary in that it delivered us an iPhone 7s grade device and it fit a hole a potential hole in Apple's lineup while they were getting their manufacturing and their distribution in place for the iPhone 10 but I can also appreciate again I'm not the biggest fan of iOS devices I still I'm still recommending the iPhone se to people because I love this phone this is my this is my favorite iPhone I want this exact same form factor with iPhone 8 specs inside of it just give me another estimate I never dear perhaps that might be the case I'm hoping yeah there have been rumors that we'll finally see a follow-up to the SE and I don't want them to change a damn thing about the form factor sorry um when we're looking at the iPhone 8 I can totally understand why a number of consumers are stuck in a holding pattern when it comes to Apple if you're I was on set for Newegg now and the the the director of photography our DP was using an iPhone 5 not an iPhone 5s he is still happy with what he needs to get done with that phone and he's but he was saying I was looking at an iPhone 8 I don't think I really want that I'm just gonna wait and see if they make a smaller version of the iPhone 10 I think a lot of people are kind of stuck in this holding pattern right now where they do want something fresh and the iPhone 8 doesn't feel fresh it's a very good phone but it doesn't feel new like the iPhone 10 but they don't want to spend $1000 on a phone so let's wait and see a little bit longer let's see if I can hold on to my iPhone 5s my iPhone 6 is just unfair see if I can keep them running and that's a difficult place for Apple to be we set this in years past apples apples greatest success was making Tech an emotional lifestyle purchase but if you can't if you can't warm up those emotions if you can't get people lit up if you can't get them excited it can work just as hard against you as they've been successful with the strategy in years past I mean we're talking about anywhere from 40 to 50 at best million for the new models so if we're if we're assuming that they get to their goal 30 million iPhone 7s it's not just about warming emotions up its microwaving them after they've been in the fridge for a while like isn't that kind of antithetical to what's Apple wants to do I you okay um yes and no it's just antithetical is a strong word but I you know you're you're not wrong we're talking about like nuking emotions again like really trying to get them hot and passionate which I'm sure shareholders have an expectation that Apple can do that but as a tech pundit myself personally I don't think any company even Apple in this current climate can make one move which will get people as excited as they've been in years past you know think about the iPhone 4 era think about that change from the iPhone 3 and the the polished pebble plastic back to the iPhone 4 and it's metal and glass aesthetic and just how exciting that was as a move for one smartphone manufacturer to make and that was another you know you were just getting off of the iPhone 3 era so you had all those people into your contracts flipping over to the iPhone 4 it was just amazing synergy in the market and that was such a huge move for Apple you can't do that now and you can't do that now when you also have five different models of iPhone that people can currently buy I think you've confused your own market I think you've you've diluted it and now we're waiting to see if they can get back to the kind of focus that I think consumers turn to Apple for they don't turn to Apple for myriad numbers of iterative choice they turn to Apple because they want the best so just tell me what the best is and I'll buy that and I'll be happy what the no one to spend a thousand dollars so they're stuck properly stuck right now for every iPhone 7 that II sell that is not an iPhone 8 that's $100 I found successor another hundred dollars iPhone se two hundred seven dollars and that's all in the gap for them they don't have any new MacBooks that might they have the men here updates that may I get Black Friday or the holiday season discounts so we're left in a position that it's only the I Apple watch that is drawing sales at what services are still showing growth but Apple doesn't leverage their services as as as well as Google does you know Apple music that's making money and it's and it's finding an increasing user base i but that's not gonna make up the difference on what the $400 worth of margin on an iphone 10 you know like you're not gonna make that up with a hundred you know you know hundreds of people every week flipping over to Apple music and it's more than hundreds you know what I mean though the economy of scale is huge but like a subscription music service right now is not gonna make up the difference on the the amazing margins that Apple builds into their products if those products aren't selling that's a dangerous place for Apple to be and right now if a person can go in buy an iPhone 7 because they feel it's kind of like a consolation prize but they didn't want to spend a ton of money and then they get the phone and they like it that's bad for Apple because emotionally now that person's gonna weigh the rational practical benefits of a $600 phone and that they they're having a perfectly fine experience using that $600 phone against what they could have spent to get the iPhone 10 and did they really need it no the more you start rationally considering your purchases the worse of position you are the worst position Apple is with their current fan base yeah let's scroll over to Verizon which is still trying to get its 5g terminology up and it's starting with home internet service as the we don't see a vision for mobile for at least the next couple of years so this is the next best thing I'm not sure where else so wireless I should have looked this up but Wireless fixed internets ATT I know does some sort of rule us Brent was doing something to I don't think they are anymore but they were they were using WiMAX yeah WiMAX for clear that's right and and I don't think that's really a viable solution anymore but yeah this millimeter wave fire doesn't make a difference oh no I'm just saying does it II think you're supposed to get I mean we're talking about gigabit gigabit gigabit that's qual comes kind of big selling it definitely does but again it's like you know I've got this you can go out and buy an amazing you know like $400 business grade gigabit router and then plug it into a 10 megabit connection you know it's not like you know that's not really gonna give you what you so so having some sort of proto 5g tower in place is definitely something Verizon should be looking at doing they got so far ahead of the competition on LTE by again investing in in what would become the LTE standard they called the market right they their timing was perfect and they got so far ahead of their competition that they catapulted themselves to the number one cell carrier position so it's vital that for for Verizon to maintain their sort of market dominance that they do the same thing with 5g but if you're talking about home use this is the big disappointment that Verizon didn't continue to try and roll out FiOS so you can go to these rural markets and say hey we're gonna hook you up with this like 5g wireless millimeter wave spectrum point-to-point connection I've actually heard really good things about utilization of similar technologies there was a post a couple weeks ago where someone was basically just buying all of this equipment to outfit this town of like 30 people with broadband internet and it sounded like it was going to be a wonderfully easy solution to patch them directly into some some node that they could get online they just had no internet service before this guy went out and bought all this equipment himself to install him do it yourself yeah no kidding I so Verizon I think it's the right play but if you don't have the backhaul if you don't have the servers if you're not actually lighting up dark fiber to fulfill the the bandwidth here then what's the benefit you've slapped a fast router on a mediocre connection and you're gonna charge more because that 5g rollout is expensive supposedly and consumers are gonna get it because they don't have any other options but you didn't really make anything better you're just charging more for kind of the same mediocre service that those customers probably had access to already so does this if this proves successful at all does this give you an excuse to roll back on a public fiber and just maybe do some more dilling around the background it's unfortunately just one of those situations where people who haven't had access to respectably fast broadband internet I don't think fully understand what the benefits of that bandwidth would be for those who are trying to fight for it in their local communities I think this will become another you know again we'll probably see this escalate even more in the 2018 as numerous states are re-examining the laws they have on the books for how competition is supposed to happen and it's not necessarily even community-funded broadband initiatives but just getting around some of the legislation that makes it really easy for consolidation or for monopolistic business practices to take hold over a community that I think will probably be become another part of this discussion once we're through the net neutrality shenanigans happening in two weeks is if no choice sir if there's no option then there's no incentive to improve connection and businesses will write-off Verizon will write-off whole communities whole rural areas because it's just not profitable enough to go in and give them Internet access and it's the sort of hole in being a capitalist like those people matter and those people also need to be competitive in the 21st century even if there are farmers or if they're you know auto manufacturers or plant workers or what-have-you if they don't have access to those services they are a generation behind when it comes to education when it comes to health care when it comes to small business that that's going to be crucial to the conversation moving forward I think Verizon solution here could be one potential talking point to help elevate the discussion but I think that'll also go hand-in-hand with exactly what you were talking about just state and local initiatives need to lead the way here I'm not sure if cost skills would just go through the roof if not for partnerships because maybe that could also be in our part of it because 18t and Verizon are now Curly's in towers for new areas as well so maybe more of that in the future Sprint t-mobile maybe even that could happen in some of the companies to work together but I fear they will work together at significant savings for their own rollout but then the branding and the marketing on five g's is gonna allow them to charge excessively more than what they really need to do to not only recoup would make a profit I mean that that's the danger that we're in right now is we're in a very mega corporation friendly environment where these kinds of business moves can border on predatory and they're sort of sanctioned by the regulatory agencies that we currently have in place that that I'm very concerned about I don't want 5g to roll out to rural areas if it's going to be twice as much as a cable connection which could offer similar or even better connectivity yeah yeah well connecting all that towards the Internet when the services that he is social media and we turn it over to snapchat what are you thinking about just the idea because we you know it's not just the machinations of oh what is left and what is right but also just the idea of just separating of social content versus publishers content because Facebook has traveled all around all of snapchats moves right now I think are too little too late III think sure well I I and in general like for the sake of their user base for the sake of their shareholders for the sake of the company I think we're looking at a company that is currently on life-support thanks to the momentum of the more passionate users that are are sticking with this platform but I don't think I've seen anything from snap that makes me think that they can not only turn this ship think one that they can sustain but they won't hemorrhage users and hemorrhage data and hemorrhage coolness but that they can actually turn the ship around in a meaningful fashion over the next fiscal year what do you think this is establishing a sense of trust where there has not been before and with all the fake news discussion that's been going out and what Facebook and Instagram they're trying to do to go you know attack that directly I feel like this could be more of a counter like just a complete I don't disagree with you there but what I what I mean is in terms of practical application real change you know so they get out there and they they they make this big that make this big news they make a big story out of oh well you know we're finally gonna start working on a legit from the ground up Android app and the reaction to that story from from the more tech enthusiasts ik people you know like it's a forehead slap in an eye roll like it's taken you long enough and a lot of us never adopted your platform because the Android experience was terrible and we found other solutions solutions for engaging in very similar styles of conversation and when they opted to get bought out was it the Facebook offered them I forget how much to buy them out well you know we're not surprised that basically every other competing platform now offers a similar set of services even YouTube is rolling out a stories style interaction for social media and content creators to engage with nothing they can do in the next year can't be appropriated copied and rolled out on a competing platform even faster than what snap can actually accomplish there I'm really upset that they haven't doubled down on a hardware strategy a branded or lifestyle accessory strategy cuz specs were a great first idea that if they had iterated on I think they could be finding more success in building out the snap lifestyle brand but what I see is just missed opportunity after miss opportunity and now they're in a position where they're trying to play catch-up on the very services that they helped to popularize and that's not a good look three billion dollars back in 2013 was the offer from Facebook take the money okay sorry um we have a we have a couple comments oh just real quick rolling back to our last story Jules I just you real quick on this one like a first phone that comes to the top of your head this is from Andrew black knee a black knee on Twitter hashtag P and weekly which phone will be the first 5g phone honestly I I don't have the faintest because just pick a phone what phone do you think it's gonna be first phone well it's it's the chipset it's the chipset then that makes that happen and until the carbs you know the first time not only use the chipset but then also you know actually pay for all the licensing to properly activate that cuz I mean I'm sure Qualcomm will put out a chipset that is 5g capable but if a company doesn't pay for the licensing to use that 5g part of the product and they won't so who do you think is gonna be the first to actually take the dive if we're looking at a typical calendar year maybe Samsung but if the release if the Qualcomm if Cal come kind of sticks its head in the sand for a little bit because of some issues I maybe they're not oneplus not LG who else HTC maybe if they're still around I i I'm I'm willing to bet good money it'll be Samsung eating up a majority of the early chipsets of 2019 they always do welcome will will launch on that and I bet I bet it's a galaxy s 10 which is probably gonna be the first truly certified real world consumer accessible in the United States this could also move way faster in Asian markets but I I'm willing to bet it'll be a galaxy s 10 there are already up to four point five GU whatever that means or if a team has its way 5g evolution and getting back to snap from at Renato Laporte for a while young people used snap for pics and text for text they got back to whatsapp for pics they got all the cool snap features on Instagram I just don't see like in their current incarnation in their current iteration what snap can offer that their competitors can't just immediately copy and keep their user base tied up I don't I don't see it either I mean I can occasionally you know chat but I've been finding Instagram story as being a more compelling experience where we just being able to see the static photos as well as the the curated stories of their days and whatnot so great let's move on to Motorola I think there's a question here that I want to get to answering but um yeah so Moto X pure nation finally getting that Android units guys point first of all one is student you know is better as we said last week it's two but at least they got they got this update the 2015 people got this upgrade right [Laughter] I you know it this is something that's that's been incredibly critically frustrating in the world of smartphones right now are these kinds of stories like you you go out of your way to support a company like Motorola they've been making promises about how they're going to support their products it's a phone called the pure edition gonna be fast man expectation of support but increasingly it just seems that once you reach a certain critical mass and once a company has your money any expectation of good support from that should be kept wildly in check I you know sitting next to galaxy Si and my Galaxy Note 8 and I just finished a comparison we're gonna put that up this evening on the May 10 versus the note 8 and like using the May 10 and using Oreo out of the box or picking up my sony xperia x z1 compact and using Oreo out of the box and knowing May I don't even know how many months it's gonna take before my Galaxy phones start getting some of these features and they those Galaxy phones are so much more expensive like that's just ridiculous like that should not be how this industry works where you're spending eight nine hundred dollars on a phone and you can count on the company to be one of the last to properly update and support their products that's that's not good I'm mad yeah there's reason to be mad especially as Google has pushed its official support window out to three years instead of two they're not I never really got a freaking idea of what it was like was it typical security updates or three incomes for two or so I'm trying to look that up right now but in terms of the future so how Sahaj Sahni a key and weekly what do you think about the future of Motorola flagships what changes should they make well for one and number two the experiment still alive is modularity still cool yeah but we know they're still investing it into it what I what I have a concern with is how much longer are we gonna run on the current implementation of moto mods because when that industry shifts because you you do have there is an argument to be made for how much more expensive accessories are when you turn them into a moto mod like a battery pack that slaps onto the back of your phone is a convenience conversation and you pay more for that convenience and I think a number of consumers out there might appreciate knowing I bought a phone and these accessories are built specifically to work the in the best way possible with my phone and so that's kind of what you're paying for however you now also have an ecosystem of products which might be end-of-life in one generation of phone because we don't know how that moto mod compatibility is going to work over the next two years and I think we have an expectation that we'll probably get about three solid generations of phones that support moto mods but that means if you buy in on year three you're you're you only get the one year you know like so it's it's just a sticky place to be the other point is it's so many other companies are facing issues like this you know branding marketing naming and I really think that one of Moto's biggest mistakes this year which I produced a video on this for my vlog series was just miss was was misunderstanding what consumers were looking for in their products so like the Moto Z force was the big fat phone with the bigger battery but the Moto z2 Force is really a follow up to the Moto Z and so that confused reviewers enough and it confused consumers enough that it felt like you were getting a downgrade if you got a moto z2 force from where we were with the Moto Z those kinds of missteps are obnoxious like they should be small things but that can actually have an impact on a company that's still struggling to increase their mind share on flagship phones I don't think they have any problems on their mid-range er and their entry-level stuff it's this flagship discussion that they keep just making these small little stumbles and how they can't talk to their customers not make enough D about how much work they put into getting these relationships going again with carriers because the OCC force was the first with even US Cellular and in addition to the other four carriers picking up and also all the men Rangers as you've said working on all the carriers as well so I mean it's just it's not fair to the good work that they do it's little things like those z2 force it said the z2 just does it I don't know who to really blame here whether it's little an oversight or that Motorola not just in a sense of them of like heart unlike hard decisions made at this printer of that branch but just as personality he speaking because you know there you have these ways of integrating business into each and every little division of the company but still it's like if if the Moto mod experiment ends or if the Moto modoch spearmint changes significantly you know next year or the year after that's gonna be bad so this is exactly one of those one of those situations where I think Motorola really needs to get out ahead of the conversation on what future compatibility on what these lifestyle life cycles are going to look like if there's an upgrade path because the phones themselves like I think Motorola nails what they set out to do I haven't had any major issues with their products you know when judged against the claims that they're making is the manufacturer I think Motorola's phones have been on point but I have a little unease about some of the recommendations when you know what you pay for in a Motorola flagship right now is buying into a modular ecosystem so your phone there's an idea that your phone is in a way incomplete and you're going to be adding things too to make it the best phone for you or the best experience for you and I want to recommend that because I think there is merit to that argument but I don't want to recommend that one year and then find that the very next year all of that goes right out the window so that's the risk you take as a consumer I mean you should not take it but companies do as they will to ensure that they continue to survive and pass along you know benefits to their shareholders just to clarify pixal team generation is getting OS updates for three years not two now so and again there is that thing like I wanna i want more companies to come out and explicitly make a commitment to their customers hundreds of dollars pretty pretty deeply in the tech specs well yeah like if I'm gonna spend $900 on the Galaxy Note 8 I think a part of what I'm paying for i I should be able to ask Samsung what is the timeframe on security updates how many operating system updates will I get and how long will you properly support this product for bug fixes and security patches and I should be able to hold you to that in some meaningful fashion we these things are now too important to everybody's daily lives they just gotta know oh you know whatever you know you're just buying new one you know like that's not really acceptable that that that can't be allowed to stand mmm too important to our daily lives huh I wonder what powers those things that make up our daily lives and batteries and it seems like after all this time about two decades where they think of lithium-ion technology we've been dealing with now's the time finally for graphene we've been playing with it for as I've said decades and decades and who we found that it has a great potential for power but it's it just has it's too fragile so carbon it's straight-up carbon and it's also the same carbon basically as pencil graphite it's just in a different form instead of crystals you have a single layer of atoms and they're arranged in hexagonal shapes and those are pretty tough to keep in shape especially when you have heat what's like all these volatile situations so now what Samsung is doing is they're shaping them it's a little balls of silicon silica like actual like low packets that you have your crisps that you shouldn't eat by the way and we're getting all the typical mumbo-jumbo of oh it's going to charge five times faster and get and we're gonna have all these things that's going to be in solar panels and everything else and more importantly it should be able to operate it up to 140 degrees Fahrenheit without deteriorating so great and it's not you know it's stuff that we've been able to talk about before what's what now is the question because now they're dealing with the patents now they're trying to actually commercialize the technology or I don't know when what stage they're trying to do that because this is still R&D in terms of making it viable for commercial use we're not sure where that's happening but they have it they have a monopoly on this they're the largest patent holder of this kind of thing oh geez and they're just it'll be weird to see Samsung batteries are like justjust all these you know like Samsung painted little cells going around into everything so I'm wondering how licensing what work out especially well and and you know this this I think will be one of those situations where the switch that flips on this I don't think this is gonna be a fast transition in the market I think whoever kind of gets there first like if Samsung solution here is really only a couple years away in terms of commercialization we've seen this patent move is because there's a process that they can apply more directly and actually start moving towards a commercial product that's probably because of an investment that likely only Samsung could have invested in you know like it'll be probably a five year window post Samsung's first commercial application before another company can replicate the manufacturing process at a scale that it makes it profitable and it will you know mean Samsung batteries will be a de facto monopoly for five years something like that I mean kind of just thinking in very general timeframes but that that number seems to make sense in my brain that if they can get ahead of this and they can be first then they will own and occupy a certain position in the market for a significant period of time even with Frane terms for a fair reasonable price in terms well because it's not even gonna be you know like you can you can set a fair price for licensing this process who will have invested in the manufacturing capabilities to take that license and make a competitive consumer product it's still gonna take time before another company can approach I mean look at OLED manufacturing you know only two companies manufacture a vast majority of OLED panel I'm sure another player could license this tech from Samsung or from LG and start looking at what they could do to set up their own manufacturing lines that's a year's long process before anyone would be able to manufacture a commercial competitor even with fair and reasonable licensing on on that panel Tech and I think the same thing will happen with batteries it'll probably end up whittling down the number of players in the market who actually fulfil fulfill this tech and it's already not a huge market to begin with but there's also it's one of those things like I'm just more excited for the prospect of seeing some of these improvements in place my fear is we're gonna get this well you can hold 45% more capacity so we can make your battery 45% smaller the same runtime but you know they use up less space on the inside of the phone get ready for the 3.5 milimeter phone yeah I totally believe that that'll be one of the first like it won't lead to I don't know what like but it'll be like a two millimeter device and then we'll see one of Microsoft's patents for like like a expandable membrane that can fit in the tip ring snake and then and then Motorola will make it you know moto mod and then he can slap it on the back of your one it's gonna be right but I mean if we can if you can get graphene from just I know scrubbing a pencil on scotch tape which has been a research - method of getting graphene I've joked you've joked about this before but it's actually true and it's silica I mean it's cheap as anything out there it's sand then I don't know how much the machines and the computers will cost beyond that so I mean maybe in a part of licensing that technology it comes with a greater understanding of the manufacturing and yield and maybe that can be replicated and iterated it on iterated on more efficiently it's just so few companies are looking to take on any kind of risk right now no one's really looking to be a market disrupter and this is one of those areas that isn't very visibly sexy and by contrast if there's a problem with a battery there's every opportunity for a ton of negative press I don't know I'm I'm super conservative on that wall I'm super excited about the potential for graphene batteries so I I hope I'm wrong there I hope more players are actually able to make use of licensing this tech and can do something exciting with it but I want to get down get onto this last story here Johnny I've kind being a jerk a jerk to not only himself but Apple consumers and Apple fans this is this is I this is like my phrase for the podcast not a good look not a good look Jack yeah I've holed on give me a second here because I want to get into the mood and I have the iphone 7 design Vinny other Apple did for its keynote I'm gonna try and see if I can compare things it's buffering but it's not really doing anything up there we go so in crescendo of orchestral greatness with a little bit of a tingling of science on the phone we have created a product that is the most delivery evolution of our founding design an aluminium body a form sheet of glass angular shape and it goes on and on for two and a half minutes okay here's the passage that I want you to take away from the Smithsonian article I've places his space gray iPhone X on the table next to my iPhone 7 plus who's white bezel frames it's a rectangle of glass display that's outside that's gonna again because I want to get this right who's white bezel framed glass display mine is only a year old but it looks clunky in comparison I've picked up my iPhone and gives it a pointed appraisal of his own earlier handiwork quote it now seems to me a rather disconnected component housed in an enclosure you jerk face I like this makes me bristling angry again in Apple trying to move the needle on their products interactions like this make me feel that so many of these decisions really have been the cynical corporate monetization decisions that Apple is regularly accused of making that like not that Apple is trying to convince general consumers to pick up their products and trying to really convert Android users on a fair and level playing field that a significant product strategy of theirs is just to make you feel bad about the product you currently own to try and convince you to spend more money on the product that they're currently releasing and that next year they're gonna do the same thing again like off iPhone 10 who could ever use a phone with that awkward unibrow cut out on the screen you really want to get the iPhone 11 where that's even more seamlessly hidden into the top bezel frame of the phone obviously who could who could use such a an improperly designed product it feels to me it's it would be a disconnected component housed in a way that would distract me from my display that face ID you and a brow bar that's terrible any like and we're gonna we're probably gonna see that it's just so galling to see a discussed that way from the person who actually designed the product it's I want to give head stupid I want to give a little empathy towards his frame of mind here because he grew up designing little pieces of work and like anything like most designers do the toy cars and spaceships and one time and and I I get it he that for him I feel like the act he's more attached to the act of designing as opposed to what he designs which for him is just that's the catharsis he puts down on when paper and when you know you're coming during your own worst critic especially with as time goes on you get 20/20 hindsight and in doing it when you're looking forward to the next project to that iPhone to that iPhone 10 and you're just you just don't see how it actually feels and actually works out just quite yet um it doesn't it yeah I mean that's the best thing that you could put out in 2016 and you just have to go with it and I guess you know we're from the corporate perspective the iPhone 7 was that was the phone that broke their tik-tok strategy so again this is also like really unfair I commentary from I've on on the iPhone 7 or he's basically just broadcasting yeah it was it was a compromised product like we put out something that we knew wasn't the best that we could do is essentially what he's saying because we went i phone six iphone 6s where was the new iphone number phone you gave us an iPhone 6 with slightly redesigned antenna bands like that's on you but you know if you're suddenly now remarking we've been criticizing Apple bezels for a long time now Apple for head and Chin's on the this isn't new to the discussion and then to act like oh just you know really looking back on it just oh this seems so terrible we were all saying there you could make better use of the real estate on the front of your phone even before we went to to buy one aspect ratio displays it makes it even more laughable that the following the next quote that we that you listed in the article and we have listed in the article on pocketnow.com who was gonna say jobs loved the iPad which he called an intimate device because it was immersive like a good book a window into whatever world's you chose to explore quote in so many ways I've says we're trying to get the object out of the way except for the fact that you built the face ID directly into the screen distracting you from the immersive qualities of having a larger display phone in a smaller form factor to use the app and experience the app the phone is literally in your way and again once they figure out a design way around that they're gonna go back and say oh in the iPhone 10 that you spend a thousand dollars on what ridiculous and terrible engineering you need to buy the new it's only $1200 is this is this is it I don't know that I could be more frustrated with the current state of Apple as a corporate entity right now and this is just making me even more like twitchy and pissy about between doesn't magic was a word that Apple was not afraid to use this year from 10 and what it wants to do with objects and objectifying them like to own up to something you have to open up to not only the actual design but what entails ends that those security risks that you involved in terms of face IDE all the stuff they like when you tear it apart it's magic for the masses and kind of complicated dissolution mints when you get to not only the people that are interested in it but also the people the regular average people that go to YouTube saying hey we found this latest way you can trick priests ID so yes ma'am it's it's it's really frustrating it's frustrating because I think we also just as a as a tech community need to start having questions about things like corporate responsibility about you know how companies fulfill their obligations to different countries in different states and it's gonna be tough conversations because we're fans of this equipment we're fans of this tech we like gadgets but like this is getting really ridiculous now and it's all coming at a time where I think we're all waiting for what the next big new thing is gonna be you're not gonna impress me with a thousand-dollar phone with a cutout screen and specs that are only marginally better than the phone that you can buy for like $300 less I'm I'm it makes this less fun to talk about and I want it I want to see these companies do better but we we should probably wrap up with we've got a number of tweets here that I want to kind of cycle through some quick questions here and some good stuff hold on I miss scroll back because one of the first questions we got was before we even started the show well I mean we're not all important and I think sums up his feelings with joining live by posting a gif of the person in a panda costume smashing the keyboard in front of shot office workers oh yeah kinda a little bit I'm getting there and I don't want to be there because I want to have more fun talking about this stuff that's why I started talking about this stuff is because it was super fun so I'm gonna have fun guys don't make me and it's not even an Android versus iOS thing because we know the market will sort of follow wherever the money goes and just like I'm pissed off with some of my favorite games for things like loot boxes and microtransactions I'm getting real not happy with hardware manufacturers - okay so this this question comes from at Panzer Z he asks which phone is the best for the run-and-gun photographer who is 80% auto and wants a fast consistent camera but also wants the flexibility for more Pro adjustments when needed so Jules you've been wracking the pixel would you would you recommend that for for a photography solution um sure machine for me I've always had shaky hands so I can ruin any smartphone photo that I might take so I mean I'm not really the best judge for that but in terms of getting the best audio efficient and it just it turns on and it turns off when you need it so I would agree yeah I would probably still say you know again a lot of this comes down to what you shoot what you like to shoot how you like to shoot but if you're saying a majority of your use is this sort of quick interaction out of the pocket Auto mode processing then the pixel is the best game in town and then you would just want to supplement that with a third-party app for any situations where you might want more granular manual controls and I don't have a ton of good recommendations on those you can start with manual and just see if you like something like that I use cinema 4k for video on phones that aren't the LGV 30 the only other one that I would maybe put out a maybe two I don't think the V 30 would be a good fit for what you're describing just because there is there always seems to be just that split second extra loading time when you fire up the camera app when you compare a a V V 30 against a pixel but I would maybe also consider a wall way if you can get your hands on one to play with one my wife has been nailing shots like right now she's she's borrowing my p10 because the pixel didn't work out for her and she's she really likes her blackberry but she wanted a better camera so we were she was taking shots with the p10 that I I've never seen her pull off with a Samsung or even with the pixel it was just something about the vibe of the p10 camera that clicked with her and she really likes the quality of the photos that come out of wha-wha-wha ways like a designed camera so that would be my dark horse distant lower on the list maybe option but I think the pixel is probably the best recommendation for the auto mode camera app yeah yeah and I mean I haven't had much of a chance to play with other phones I'm not sure if I would recommend the what plus 5t or anyone postponed because they've always made just that little bit of and it's photo community but shout out oneplus community so just by having a black they gives a little credit to what they want to do what they aspire to you but in their Delta me experience I think would I don't have to ask Jaime for that but I mean like oneplus is I think you start looking at some of those players oneplus is a great example of the cameras fine it's a good camera when we're talking about getting into like literally the bestest of the bestest you know you are also having a conversation about diminishing returns you know I I can pull off great shots with a one plus three you know like we're good we've gotten to a point where even a bad camera this year is still in much better shape than where we were even two years ago and kind of following on that we got another question here this is from Daniel Mladenov hashtag peon weekly here's an odd question probably not I've gotten this question a number of times if you had to go out and take pictures and video would you choose an s8 or a u11 and why having held I've held si a little bit more than I've never had the human eye would go for the SI just because of its form factor that's thinner and it's better to hold I would presume but I don't know in terms of the actual interface that we have to deal with I've always preferred HTC's over Samsung's but you know what's what's really silly is like the more I played with all of these phones if it were a fight between HTC and Samsung I would probably say the s7 really I it the SI is like it's fine it's a fine phone I don't like how they sort of reorganized parts of the camera app to focus on things like stickers or Bixby vision then you gotta have those stickers you gotta create your story you have to really getting to the end and not pulling my punches anymore I really think Samsung's camera peaked on the s7 that was a nearly perfect interface to focus on auto mode photography with the ability to switch over into really great manual options and controls and adding gimmicky crap to the main interface that you interact with I think was a bad play but a broadcast live oh yeah I probably should um but know it between the two I probably also side with an s8 i I think it's it's a tough look if you don't love Samsung's sharpening and application of additional saturation for their photos but the overall mechanic the dual pixel focusing even though the u11 is a snappy performer to Samsung's is really well refined at this point and I just remember having easier and easier time using the s8 to get the shots that I wanted than the U 11 not that the U 11 was bad it's not a poor performer it's a very good performer but I am probably a bit more familiar with and I like the s8 experience a little bit better but we're talking you know very minimal differences between the two and and how much I liked them well I mean it's it's that old rivalry that we've always had going on with HTC being always the second fetta we never really even consider an LG to be that second place it's just HTC and Samsung and you know those fortunes have definitely turned in the in a hurry and in those questions I mean like there's a reason why I'm not trying to push the v30 on people you know it's my favorite phone of the year I will happily tell you it's my personal this is my daily driver phone this is a phone that was made for me but I'm also not going out of my way to try and convince other people that they should pick one up it I want them to know that if there are certain things that might appeal to them about using a V 30 then there literally is no other phone that works like the V 30 but I don't know how many people really care about those options this is coming from Kyle Ruggles in reply to Andrew Wallace he asks p-n weekly why does oneplus release a phone with last year's OS only then to promise two years worth of upgrades Oreo in the next year the next and then P that you're following and then he does decline sticking out emoticon and I think that's exactly why it's also if you released a phone this year so if you release a phone with Oreo out of the box you are obligated to support Google's project treble if you release a phone any time in the future with Android 7 and then you quickly upgrade to Android Android 8 you are not obligated to support project trouble and I really think that's the big decision that these companies are making is whether or not they want to get on board Google's future for how their products should be supported and updated so I think that's probably the critical deciding factor for a lot of manufacturers this this will be a non-issue once Android P is out but for right now if you want that Google is making harder and harder demands of their manufacturing partners you have to support this you have to use this for power management you can't have this running in the background and it seems like Android 7 is kind of the last Android operating system that you can slap on a phone right now that's still technically current in the world of smartphones but then gives the manufacturer more leeway to customize or to run stuff in the background it's the last bastion of slow updates and then let's wrap up with this last one because I'm not super positive on this trend this is from Ryan Landers P and weekly when are we going to get those flexible screens Samsung was showing years ago the flip smartphone in the future I just don't think flipping folding out screens are that big a deal so I don't know I don't know when they're gonna show up uh I would I wouldn't be surprised if CES were the showcase this time around so now do you think we'll see an actual consumer facing product or you think we're just gonna see another like prototype I have to think it's the galaxy as we've seen documentation say that it's we can support it now but it still doesn't exist technically so so here's here's my prediction here's my prediction you think you think we'll see a folding screen for the next Galaxy S that's that's your prediction oh no it's a Galaxy S a device it's just the Gossie X that's the thing that oh I thought you were saying you know like next year CES there was going to be okay so my prediction is Galaxy S 9 finger print sensor under the display not on the back and they'll remove the headphone jack and then try and convince you to get gear icon X buds then around the note time frame will have a separate note note 9 and some kind of new like you were saying the galaxy x the galaxy flip the galaxy fold something like that lunch is a companion device for that so you'll have a Galaxy S 9 Galaxy S 9 plus at the beginning of the year Galaxy Note and Galaxy X at this at the second half of the year I'm imagining a four product launch a four phone launch at the flagship tier for Samsung next year that's you know that's my prediction yeah it sounds like we're gonna have an early here anyways because the s9 and g7 are supposedly at least getting previewed in January I still believe that the s9 will get a March official launch but it's uh it's gonna be amazing to see that where the CES is gonna have like a first preview of what's to come it's gonna be excited for my percy of us I yeah you're gonna be you're gonna be joining the joining us out there I'm gonna be double teaming that sounds wrong I don't want to use that phrase I'm gonna be double dipping CES for both pocket now and a new egg so oh this will be my first CES covering like gaming hardware years so I'm stoked cuz like there's some really cool chipset stuff that I want to check out and graphics card work that I really want to see and I'm taking notes on all of this cuz I've got to rebuild my workstation soon and like oh I want to get this water block kit no I want to get RGB everything so I'm pretty stoked about that too but we should probably wrap this up Jules it was a good show man I know it was news heavy and I appreciate all the people that there that were you know dropping his comments and joining the conversation we got some great questions and we love it when you guys join the discussion let me get my notes back up here so folks there you have it another episode of the PocketNow weekly has come and gone this show is over but the conversation continues on twitter where Jules is at point Jules give them a follow and I'm humbly at some gadget guy pocket now is around the web on Twitter Instagram Facebook Google+ YouTube and our home site pocketnow.com for Spanish speakers definitely check out es pocketnow.com were basically everywhere a shows like this cannot exist without your support sharing the weekly with your friends who love mobile technology and by dropping reviews on iTunes stitcher Google Play and wherever podcast reviews can be left because ultimately there wouldn't be a show if it weren't for 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