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and we're live hi mera mera take it away good morning good afternoon good evening to everyone of you it is about that time to talk about Windows 10 the event just happened this is pretty much the second preview that we are getting from Microsoft over the future of Windows 10 we saw a preview early later last year and today we get to see what it gets to look like on mobile in addition to other devices that microsoft announced today and that we were actually only expecting one of them and in the end there being more so let's begin with our quick roll call let's start with our editor-in-chief mr. Anton Dean arch how are you good morning good afternoon good evening everybody I am fine I'm still trying to process all the information which Microsoft threw at us that windows seven shrit looks lovely living on you yeah it's I'm celebrating the free of it that's why it is here manish i could find my old internet explorer 3 midnight launch t-shirt it glows in the dark it's awesome then we have our editorial director mr. michael fisher how are you sir I'm very well and just like the rest of you trying to make my mind soak up all of the information that microsoft revealed from from seattle and also trying to deal with this aspect ratio sorry i look weird everybody but that's what happens when you break your other camera which was lovely and is that a predictable Dunkin Donuts coffee mug you had best believe it brother something's got to stay consistent chief news editor mr. stephen chang how are you i am doing well and finally stopped screaming in frustration over the issues with microsoft's live feeds skipping out on me so cool calm and collected at this point can I share area can I share a pro tip about that that's that's actually too late I too had some skipping I had skipping on my Windows RT device i had skipping on the macbook air the only way i could watch the microsoft event without incident was to stream it on through internet explorer on my lumia 930 and it was smooth as anything even on 3g i don't understand why but it worked so next Microsoft then you know break out your Windows Phones everybody I are these priorities indeed and I am primarily led a multimedia manager we are going to discuss this as quickly as we can there is a lot to talk about just remember everyone the Q&A is active we already have one question live and we're expecting you to shimon with your impressions and questions as well so why don't we take it off with Steven since between Steven and I we were covering the news tony was helping us on social and let us know how things went Stephen let's begin with I think our first news post was directly about a microsoft making windows 10 updates free for windows 7 windows 8 1 it's about the updates this is a new version the operating system coming out so the question for a lot of users I mean some of us certainly will be buying new devices with windows 10 on it a lot of us want to know what's the path to get Windows 10 on our existing stuff now Microsoft had already talked about of making windows 10 available to Windows Phone 8.1 Lumia devices that may have given some of you a little pause away this single that Lumias there granted that's the lion's share of the Windows Phone 8.1 market but they confirmed yes all Windows Phone 8.1 devices will be getting this free upgrade to Windows 10 maybe the bigger news though is on the desktop side of things with smartphones we're pretty much used to now getting our updates for free it's just expected on PC that hasn't been the case but Microsoft is changing course of Windows 10 users not only of Windows 8.1 will be able to upgrade to Windows 10 for free but even those who have been holding out on Windows 7 will be invited to make the free step forward to Windows 10 now the upgrades are only going to be available for free at least as far as Microsoft has confirmed for the first year that Windows 10 is available you're going to QA they sort of alluded to not having their plans after that set in stone there may be something involved if you delay or long enough but you know it's news for too long it the first couple months you can upgrade to Windows 10 for free and once you're there you'll be able to can continue upgrading windows 10 on this device for the rest of its life span so Microsoft is really committed to bringing pretty much everyone who's a current user of a microsoft windows product along for this Windows 10 journey and that's really big news for the company getting everyone on the same page maybe for the first time in a long while yeah yeah definitely it's what Apple has been doing with OS 10 for the past three years obviously Apple sells computers and Microsoft is barely only selling the surface I think it's a very good move I just I because of how competition is with OS 10 I'm not sure it's going to be sustainable for another year but who knows probably Microsoft finds another business model to make money out of windows through what do you think Tony well let me start with devices and I will be honest and saying that at one point my heart stopped because I really did not want to see another windows phone seven to 7.5 to eight transition where some devices do not get the latest version of Windows Phone but luckily Microsoft learn from their experience and when those 10 will be available on current windows oh that run Windows Phone 8.1 which is I believe a natural thing and I kind of expected this what came as a surprise was this a windows 10 upgrade for PCs for free and I think that this might have something to do with everything Tim Cook usually brags about when talking about Mac OS and how Apple is chewing up parts of the market share from microsoft and windows and maybe Microsoft is trying to catch up with that then gained back some parts of that lost market share by probably losing some cash because Windows Windows updates usually cost about a couple of hundreds of bucks I don't know exactly how much it cost because I'm a Mac user but still giving up that in order to get everybody on a unified platform as well as at the same time trying to get back some market share I think because it's a smart move it is are you worried there might be a downside to this in the long term that we won't see for a while here but Microsoft's been talking forever about how am I cut down on piracy with its OS on PCs especially like markets in the east where seems like more pcs are using pirated windows than not this idea of a subscription-based Windows system has been put forward and a lot of the talk today was about windows as a service not just a platform and you bring everyone on board get them all in windows 10 getting used to these updates coming all the time no one has to think about mi on the latest version not it's just coming maybe 34 years down the road this becomes a subscription and ongoing subscription model where you're paying you know 100 bucks a year for continuing access that this is just you know paranoid guess work at the moment but you know and it's a it's a valid point the thing is well Microsoft doesn't really succeeded in doing that with 365 up to the point where they dropped the price almost three times in less than a year so I don't but they're succeeding on xbox live with the same sort of businessman who true true but I would love to hear Michaels opinion since he's the one with the surface pro 3 uh he is yes indeed and he likes it quite a bit actually is demon mentioned something before about with regard to those updates you know being coming sort of without user interaction you know that's that sort of Microsoft vision they laid out there everyone's gonna be on the same version to unprecedented levels compared to where it's been before and I really liked one of the boulder claims they made where they microsoft said I don't know if it was Terry Myerson or somebody else said that Sony hack if everyone had been running Windows 10 that wouldn't have happened because protections are built in bull but that over the seal the vulnerabilities that were exploited for that particular hack so then caught my attention I thought that maybe that was gonna be one of the bigger stories of the day but of course then we moved on to even bigger ones which I guess we should probably still comin up yeah i guess the second biggest news and my opinions gonna come in a little later but Steve and talk to us about Windows 10 on mobile I'm oh yeah we got our first real preview today of what Windows 10 is going to look like on smartphones we only saw a few aspects of it but Microsoft showed us home screen configuration settings it's sort of changes it a lot of users have been asking for for a while now it really dope into apps for the majority of the presentation here talking about the shared code bases between PC and smartphones a lot of time there was spent on looking at the office suite what's really nice is how office or at least Word Excel PowerPoint is going to be bundled into Windows 10 for smartphones and small tablets believe the cutoff there when somewhere the eight inches of solve that it's going to be pardoned sorry about the time-traveling I said eight inches I was just remembering what you said yeah but these smaller devices will have office built-in you have it on your pc then you can easily move back and forth and editing on mobile and on your laptop or desktop it's the sort of thing much less been trying to do for a while now but it looks like with Windows 10 this is a from the ground up idea and by putting a word on the phones like this Microsoft able to take advantage of the very advanced text editing features and sort of built into other app so they were showing us a new outlook client that has word pretty much built right into the editing screen there that was also need we see the keyboard moving around a lot of more flexibility i think that what we've seen so far and as far as I'm this might be getting ahead of ourselves but the preview of this which we had been wondering when user finally get a chance to try some of this for themselves isn't available right now but next month is the ETA for users as part of the windows insider program you can get this on their current Lumias in at least some up early preview of how this is all going to function now is it just me or I mean Microsoft didn't really talk about the phone you how much they focus directly on how office integrates with it and it was a really short presentation on phones is it just me or him am I being only one skeptical here it's not just immensely yeah they did that we're gonna have a dedicated Windows 10 on phones event at some point you know in a few months I have a feeling because your retro bill this will be big y yes an almost no time passed but before like Joe Belfiore is like hey check it out you can now you got a wallpaper behind your tiles if you want it okay now right onto microsoft word on your phone come on is cement are you okay I yeah there were some things that I did that I liked in terms of inbound messages that come down from your you know from the notification bar you can reply directly to them in there much like it was done in iOS yeah you can pop the keyboard out if you're working with a large screen fun like the 1520 you can move the key order on the screen now Action Center you can dismiss individual notifications it looks like recent apps have been moved to the top of the app launcher it's actually PP say say again Stephen I'm sorry I didn't get that they and a sink with of your pc with notifications across devices that's right yeah we yet again we have this promise for Microsoft about now phone is really gonna sink with desktop they're really gonna play nicely together and I started writing like a really cynical note as they were promising this because this is what we've been promising from seven to eight to eight eight I want and now it finally would stuff like that it looks like we're getting a taste of it yes your if you dismiss a notification on your Windows Phone it'll be dismissed on on whatever Windows 10 PC you're running and stuff like that but you know is and then there's skype integration right in the messaging hub and which is the part that I like the most how its vibration in the messaging why now explain that to me hi me because I didn't get it okay so what I missed from the transition of Windows Phone 7 to Windows Phone 8 was pretty much this is the dismissal of Facebook is part of your messaging hub so in originally you could use Facebook messaging integrated with a windows phone you didn't have to actually launch the messenger app it didn't exist back then and so I I've missed that I missed the fact that on iOS you have I message where it interact you can either it'll automatically select either you know I message or typical SMS and to my understanding that's the way it's gonna work only it's going to use skype and obviously they're trying to push skype further and I like that integrated hub of just one messaging application for a mainstream service like skype and SMS that's what i like is it like it too i just wish I knew more than 10 people on skype sorry Tony go ahead this is currently operates no it's got you know the messaging hub is just is just SMS at the moment and there's not the you can't you can't toggle back and forth in the same thread between text and Skype as far as as far as I know this has been eliminated since Windows Phone 8 one of the reasons I think there was little emphasis or little time spent on Windows 10 on phones because apparently it's going to be called Windows 10 and that's is either one of the following two options either number one they didn't want to make this two and a half hour event even longer which I can understand because the emphasis was really on on Windows 10 for PCs and on the holographic stuff which to which will get later or I think that Windows 10 on phones is not yet ready to be shown off and Microsoft is taking the time to further perfect the platform and make it ready for a maybe build or mwc presentation and so on they're probably going to have that februari preview thing going on where users might be able to send in some feedback but I have the this idea that it's not currently finished as for the changes i welcome the custom backgrounds I welcome the flexibility included but the user interface is the same and that's not necessarily a bad thing if you like the good old metro UI back in the day you'll still love it today if you love that you load it today as well so there's little changes to the concept but but they're focusing more on the listening to the user feedback and trying to bring in they were complaining about and don't get me wrong Windows Phone might be a third in in the top three platforms in terms of market share but is a completely capable platform which you can use as a daily driver and give or take if you have a google if you're invested in Google ecosystem but then again you can do everything on a Windows film that you can do in an android phone or an iOS phone and that's I think that speaks pretty much well of Microsoft whether this Windows 10 update on phones will boost the market share I would be implied to say no but let's hope I'm wrong we have a Q&A in terms of that blood go ahead Microsoft's making a really big deal talking about user input and the feedback it's been getting from people with the the windows 10 preview on the pc so far so for those of you who maybe haven't seen what you wanted to yet out of windows 10 on phones from the event today have some ideas of where it should go or you don't like the look and feel about certain things definitely get involved with the the preview the the insider program when this goes live next month get involved let Microsoft know what your feelings about the Tsar this is the OS is not set in stone just yet they're still working things out and users contributing is going to help shape this into its final product so take your Microsoft they really want to have all of us involved so by all means speak your mind and help craft us into the OS you want it to be I mean were you going to try and answer the Q&A from zodiac fair exactly he asked do you guys think of the unified windows will help close the app gap on Windows Phone we've had a lot of discussions with Michael particularly we've been using the Lumia 930 for a couple of days now uh so far as long as you're not invested in the Google ecosystem I say that most of the apps that most of those use are there so yes I'm go ahead like here's the problem right I you know I here's the issue yes hi me that is true for me and I've been making that point repeatedly of late I have very little trouble using a windows phone as my daily driver but you know that's a whole nother conversation what I found striking with regard to this question is there is almost no move made to address the app ecosystem on Windows Phone at this event and Tony you're right they probably didn't want to make the event run any longer and yeah this is a Q&A about that someone asked what are you guys gonna do to address this and they just kind of gave a weaselly answer yo do the ok I missed that yeah it so that was obviously not on the agenda today and even more striking if you live in the United States and you happen to use chase bank this morning like right before the microsoft event chase bank officially announced her you may have been yesterday that they are no longer going to maintain their Windows Phone app and they're actually gonna pull it from the app store in a week because just don't have enough users just and this is chase bank you know it's not a it's not like you know the the your local Savings Bank like a major bank is pulling an app from the Windows Store because they don't have enough users to justify keeping it in there now you know obviously that's not a death knell for the platform but it's also a really not a great sign er yeah and it's a reinforcement of all these kind of this is bad press Steven yes that that we've been hearing when this one fell on time so that's that's a shame and the fact that Microsoft didn't have any good news to share with us like say even an Instagram update for Windows Phones who to get it out of beta and bring it the two generations ahead that it needs to come to be current with Android and iOS the fact that none of that was assured it's it's it's frustrating and I am scary perfectly agree with you and I think that if in the beginning Windows Phone and Microsoft had an an appt gap problem now it's not so much about the app gap because the applications are pretty much there in their majority right now I think Microsoft is facing a problem where the applications that are there but the applications themselves suck I don't think work as they should or they look like crap and it took Microsoft how many years to finally perfect a Spotify app which came out two days ago to finally make it look like on iOS and we can go on and on with applications which are in there including Facebook which are far from their counterparts on iOS or Android yeah oh I just my one final point on this this is all very true guys and just to close out my participation on a somewhat higher note i have been using a blackberry classic for about the past week and after that a windows phone is just positively a vacation in the app i'm actually using no phones and then using a blackberry there you go well the same exact thing Tony right right oh I guess my biggest complaint is like for example i love Michaels video on the Spotify update yesterday please viewers make sure you watch it to get all the details on the changes but I've been using it ever since I saw Michaels video i downloaded i started using it and but part of my you know my biggest complaint with windows phone that was not mentioned on this video on this event and that i mentioned in the after the buzz of the lumia 930 is either the excessive animations to go from one basic thing to another on on windows phone is one thing and the second is Michael have you noticed how it just keeps having to refresh Spotify every time that you launch it just goes from exactly the it if you don't do anything but remain on Spotify you're cool but if you want to multitask from one end to another every time that you go back to Spotify it'll relaunch the app even though the music is still playing it'll take you back to home it doesn't take you to the current feed playlist that you listen uh yeah conversation dating from back in the windows phone seven points something days with application to Dokdo and and whatever they called it back then yeah same time all right I oh I'm sorry Stephen go ahead you and then I'll open it I don't want to derail things ever these are you know ongoing issues with Microsoft's smartphone platform why don't we keep moving into what got covered on today's a bit goes a lot more exactly there is a lot more to cover Steven don't want to leave this topic without mentioning something which we have not mentioned and about which I'm really excited it's that Microsoft is bringing Cortana to the BC and I'm not going to find on that it's just a thing worth mentioning and guys in the States and in the countries regions in which Cortana is available will probably appreciate it sadly not in my region but that's the smart move i think yeah yeah is that it's actually that's the next topic actually and i covered that post particularly microsoft is has done some amazing things with Windows Phone particularly for example on Lumia denim you can just call and say hey Cortana with the phone being turned off like you can with moto x it'll activate itself but you know they're not just launching Cortana on the pc and making it the same thing that you have on the phone they're actually making Cortana better it actually has context on whatever information you provide to Cortana about you but in addition it also searches within documents and it should have just activated it stuff Thank You Donna um it actually digs into PowerPoint presentations Excel sheets if you're looking over for our particular information within documents it'll do that for you which is something you can't really do on OS 10 surely you have spotlight on OS 10 and it'll dig through these these things but there is no Siriano as 10 to allow you to use your voice and bring that information up which is really cool and they announced other different changes like for example if you're going through a web page and you look for a particular restaurant stuff it'll Cortana will automatically give you directions to the place dietary information and just about it almost every single context that it can pull from that web page and whatever it is that you're looking at so yeah it is smarter than what you're getting on your phone I think I think the new i'm sorry steven going I'm trouble getting really excited about this because like I am a big fan of Google now Google Voice Search interactions with my phone you can do that on your pc with chrome but i just don't idea of talking to my pc for some reason is a lot less appealing and the idea of talking to a mobile device i'm not sure why that is and if it's just something that we as users will have to get used to but i can imagine this being a little less appealing Steven I think what I think it's just something we have to get used to because I share your view where I saw my friend use google now on his laptop the other day with chrome and I was like that that's making my head just feel people come around yeah she uses microsoft made the example of the tired old example of the offices system it's like having your own secretary to you know i'm just tell her to do stuff or whatever and I it were just go ahead and I guess we're Cortana is different is that just like you know in the case of Google now it'll pull information the more you use it and understand what you're looking for but Cortana is specifically on you know it how can I say this whenever you're browsing for something it'll already give you information without you searching for things so it's not just the fact that you can call on Cortana through your voice it's the fact that it's interacting with everything that you're doing in providing additional information it's adding value to whatever it is you're doing with the computer and I guess that's where Cortana has a difference with Google now good point in she is also integrated into the new browser not just the pc i should mention so yes that's true there's a quarter point she's in a lot necessarily about this feature just just one Centon time I appreciate the fact that Microsoft found a way for the user to eliminate certain things out of Cortana's knowledge because if I would actually care enough I don't care because that's my type of person I don't care about my and see that much like other people but Cortana is really dns a on your computer local annecy on your computer it's their watches listens and learns everything from you about you and if you just don't want crotona to know something about you you just delete some references and that's it for that or like I think in a broader sense that if this is important because Cortana is one of the best I think one of the best things that was included in Windows Phone 8 at one and for Microsoft to take that and move that to the desktop where historically I think windows has been kind of less exciting and much tougher sell especially with windows 8 the people i think it's a very very smart move and i think it's going to make some a good amount of people happy i think it's going to play into this microsoft push to make windows and experience that people move from i need windows too okay i should get windows too I love windows and I think Cortana is going to play a big part are you trying to answer the question that we have on QA right now we're source cy saying Michael as as we all know you love Cortana's the availability of curtain on windows make you move from from your macbook air to Windows Device I think it I think it will take more than that yeah well I mean it's not gonna be that much so I think in about four days my macbook air is finally gonna erupt in it you know in a pile of flames and black spot but uh I already use the surface pro 3 quite often and not for any purpose like review related purpose i just use it often because I actually quite like it so I don't really need much pushing to to move to a Windows Device part time at least here's here's a good as in a quick question I just want to yes or no answer do you guys think that apple will introduce Siri in the next version of Mac OS yes it has to yeah yeah it has to it has to i just i find it so surprising that Apple has not talked about Syria in the past like three events yeah so it could be that it could be that the Craig federighi is just letting this be Scott Forstall thing no if I were Apple I don't know I'm not sure I really needs a new recently anyway I'm sorry Stephen you and I are having a latency idiots ass kicked in the press we've seen all these analyses where independent researchers put on those questions to Siri to Google now now to Cortana Siri it may have really impressive at first but everyone else seems to be really outdoing it in you know real life use cases so Apple may just be waiting until I can I don't know freshen Siri up with some functionality before it wants to put emphasis on it again but the one thing stuck my mouth yep Apple Apple II use your Apple usually does that that's just the way it is it either it can either improve it initially or at leave France eventually but streaming back to the topic how about if you run that run us through the you know the emphasis on gaming from windows stem Stephen yeah yeah so a couple things are interesting that are happening with Windows 10 that will have an impact on gamers of course the connectivity between different devices is going to be big Microsoft is all about social interactions when it comes to gaming it really wants to put Xbox Live first and forward as this way for gamers to interact with each other to share their accomplishments to just you know shoot the and what is its going to introduce people on phones talking to users on consoles xbox one is getting upgraded to full on Windows 10 users on PCs and Windows 10 those are their phones on Windows 10 can all talk with each other depending on the games able to play with each other you'll be able to stream games from the one to your windows up PC or tablet and it's all just about this overarching connected social ecosystem for gamers one thing was really interesting is the way that sharing a game videos has become really big in the past there's twitch has blown up larger than anyone's expectations on the Xbox already exists these are really useful tools for sharing video of your accomplishments with your friends that's coming to the PC and is correspondingly to phone so it wasn't really talked about as much but the ability to capture video to then share it it's going to be baked right into the OS so no need for hacky drivers or third-party utilities Microsoft really wants to give gamers the tools they that they've already been using to put the right in the OS and something that Microsoft was talking about how they don't want everything to seem like a bolt on in Windows or they want this to be really integrated with all the features that users use on a regular basis that's going to be present with the gaming focus here we also heard about DirectX 12 not a lot technologically was offered there besides better access to hardware should give games higher quality or better performance they threw this fifty percent improvement figure whether or not we see as drastic improvements that remains to be seen but no matter how you slice it it's going to be very impressive and accessible on more devices of different types than ever before am I the only guy that's thinking that this is pretty much a response to Sony's PlayStation live initiative that never went live you know you are not the only one thinking that no I mean for the difference here is that at least the PlayStation live platform whenever it does work will work on OS 10 as much as it can work on Windows compared to what Microsoft isn't ending with with the xbox one right I have more faith though from Microsoft being able to pull this off rather than sony true I think the more Microsoft did does in gaming the better off they will be I know there's been a lot of talk a lot of speculation about them spinning off the Xbox unit I know there's a lot of business consideration there's financial stuff that I don't fully understand but every time I walk into my living room and the TV is on and the end the xbox is like oh hi Michael because it recognizes my face and then I tell it to do things with my voice I mean it's it's just epically awesome and it works much more smoothly than a lot of large screen windows microsoft products have for me in the past so yeah the way the 360 at now the xbox one have evolved past a pure gaming console to this sort of connected home device is it's probably where you know pcs just computing in general is going over the next couple decades here it's given Microsoft a great inroads into this and just early access trying out new technologies like Kinect holla lens which we'll talk about later but it's it's been a great experimentation platform and I act like I've heard like you have these talk about getting split off I can't see that happening it's been too valuable to microsoft and only going to keep on being valuable in the years to come I'm actually waiting for two things number one is for Tony to tell us how much he doesn't play games Tony I was about to say I have no opinion on this because the last time I played games I was broadly in the eighth grade yeah ok thank you Tony going back to the topic we do have a Stevens gonna with uhh we do have a nice segue opportunity here into another large screen Microsoft device that was announced today yeah well the phablet no I'm actually going to talk about the surface hub but I guess the only bid closing down the whole xbox concept i'm just waiting for the product to go live and for your computer to tell you oh you need a beefier processor or more RAM for all this Xbox integration to work I'm just waiting for that but anyways moving back to the topic one of the major things that was announced today the so Microsoft announced two different products two different hardware products I'm not sure how important these products will be to us particularly because these are well at least one of them is but the other one is really uh more of a it's a I don't know it's a jaunty it's an 84 inch TV with a 4k display and integrated computing it's got multi-touch multi-tenant but it's got advanced sensors it's got built-in cameras speakers microphones Wi-Fi Bluetooth NFC etc let's call the microsoft surface hub and well it's really for business users it's it enables two things which is one brainstorming and another one with just meetings with the service hub for example you can pretty much project whiteboard in a room and that whiteboard is based on Microsoft OneNote and the reason why the whiteboard turns up the school is because a whiteboard is there and you can either only erase what you have or you know you can really scroll down a physical whiteboard and you can actually do this with this surface bub it also allows you know different types of collaborations with OneNote it syncs instantly and it integrates with skype for business for you know you can actually have conference meetings and you can actually activate a meeting with one button Microsoft was making a lot of emphasis over how meetings take up the 12 minutes to start we're here you just have to press a button even though in real life take 12 minutes for us to press the damn button and it just that that's just the way it is but probably one of the coolest things is you can also project whatever you have on your phone or tablet with the surface bug or the computer and you can actually manipulate and operate everything from the surface hub and not necessarily have to operate things from the phone or from the tablet so it's a cool little neat product that shows us where the original surface concept you remember that big table you'll never gotten about that with all the damn table from the past this is pretty much the maturity of the original microsoft surface or the fact that they they've been able to create this productivity tool that'll most likely cost ten thousand dollars whatever they launched that's my problem with this thing is i don't like how embedded it all is it's an all-in-one device I think Microsoft could have the smarter move here would have been to do something like an hdmi stick maybe with an accessory like the Kinect that plugs into an existing we've been necessarily 4k but a high res HDTV because these will already exist in conference rooms we just make it a lot more accessible a lot more affordable that's not to say that it doesn't look very impressive on its own but Microsoft's choice you know they were talking such a big game about making it you know how the surface hub was so so innovative and it made everything so easy and it's all one touch and like you know look you take the stylus out and it automatically starts the dry board that happen of course it does if it didn't then it would be dumb that's that's table stakes that's not crazy innovation I was expecting some some innovation that we have the caliber that we did see on the original surface concept where correct me if I'm wrong guys but I think you could like put a phone down on that unload on the camera or a little wispy photos and write these like bubbles would rush over to it then it would be like oh here's a device and it would pulse and it'll be like okay now I'm talking otherwise and we haven't seen anything like that other from the surface hub or anything else that so I think there was sort of a missed opportunity to really blow us away with this and I but I do understand the impetus for doing it you know that Microsoft does want to sell their services they want to be the company that's like oh yeah we have to use OneNote so we have to use this microsoft thing because it works really well and it we can snap it alongside the citrix thing and take this diagram and drag it over here and drop into this note and it's great and it's nice to have a halo kind of showcase for that but I don't think it's going to be a moneymaker so let's let's not forget that this this product is not for you mean or probably anyone oh yeah no Microsoft is trying to appeal to those business consumers business customers enterprises which they are not i'm not saying they're on their way of losing them but they really need to come up with a product this product to to keep those customers happy so that's a little bit we should all get that pub so why not let's all brainstorm using a hub it will probably take up half of my room but no it's it's enough for us where it's for the business enterprise consumer maybe those enterprises which have different offices in different parties of world and so on it's it's not for us but yeah they could have done a little bit better I'll tell you this much I you know I worked for two enterprises ups being one of them and these companies spend a lot of money on services like WebEx I mean a lot of money um and I feel that as Michael said this is really a missed opportunity or sorry Stephen where you know you're forcing people to buy this humongous displaying yeah it's cool i mean you can't really just project something on a TV and doodle on it and use a stylus and use it as a whiteboard to that true that's that's something you can't do but you know if Microsoft would have used this as a platform they would have had a much easier selling point with a small stick and estatus then you know to try to sell us this huge $10,000 or whatever that thing is going to cost but let's just say gwai into something that is consumer-based something that I know a lot of people have asked for and it's a new Microsoft browser and I'm still skeptical over if this is really another microsoft if it's another browser because at no point correct me if I'm wrong guys because I I was having a lot of stutter with the screen that at some point they say this is a new browser or this is the future of internet explorer I believe this is replacing Internet Explorer yep I eat then yeah it's got a new filtering engine a new look and feel it's it's it's ground up yeah yes this is pretty much the solution that Microsoft is providing to everybody for you know Brett the browsing prom with Internet Explorer people complaining that it's neither too slow or that it's really not on par in it but the thing is you know more than browsing it's a branding problem I know and explorers come a long way in recent years but it still has this awful reputation going back a decade or more it's it's time Microsoft started fresh yeah yeah and so okay so cool features like for example a project Spartan allows collaboration uh for example I don't know how useful this is going to be but you can actually take like it's not it's like an interactive screenshot of a web page for example you go to pocket now and probably you want to discuss with your friends this cool new post it's even just posted and so you can doodle on it and if somebody doesn't have a stylist that you can use your fingers or somebody's on there or somebody's on their phone you can probably use your finger there or a keyboard if you don't have a touchscreen it allows collaboration and it even allows you to share web pages very easily in a sort of a way you could do so currently on Android you just press the share button and it gives you different options to share things which is cool yeah another thing another thing yeah I know I know I mean I look that's my question i guess like you know and for enterprise maybe i could see the school even the way Joe Belfiore kind of demo did it it it reminded me of like a Google way of presentation or something or even just like a Microsoft Office things like look you do an inline annotation and then your whole team can see what your comment is and stuff and it's just it struck me as as utterly uninteresting to anyone outside the enterprise but maybe I'm just being short-sighted because I but I can take an android phone on an iPhone or Windows Phone screenshot a page and do the exact same thing I don't understand why I need to why I would won't do it on a web page well here's the thing right now only only samsung phones and LG phones actually provide that functionality built in so the thing is this is pretty much microsoft making it a universal thing for any windows product which is like for example if you want to take a screenshot on an iphone and doodle on it you have to take the screenshot take it to a specific app doodle on it but it's not interactive in life so i'm not saying that its user born I'm not saying that it's useful i'm just saying that Microsoft is making this the new standard and it's going to go across platform so it doesn't matter if you have a Windows Phone Windows tablet Windows computer you can do these things even if you're never going to use I do like that there's an integrated offline reader now as well and that's actually what I was going to mention so there are two other things that we're going to mention number second number two is the reading functionality and I was like oh so first of all you get a built in reader which you currently already have with chrome and safari there's also a built-in reading list which already existed so far for the past like three versions where you can actually read things offline if you want cool but you know currently this is like answering the question to the lack of pocket on Windows Phone and it's also got built-in PDF support as part of the reading list so you can probably find the PDF or is a document that you're looking for on the web is actually a PDF you can save it for offline use as well couldn't you always just save web pages for offline viewing yeah could but it's really cumbersome because what it does is it it saves the HTML file and then it saves this like huge folder yeah on the slide and the problem with that is that works on the computer but it doesn't work on tablets or it doesn't work on phones currently so again it's just finally bringing a brat of Microsoft browser on par with what you can drew do with chrome and safari that's really it do we nuts really think about the differences in the rendering engine I don't mean to ask something up in with a version in the most pledge okay it was just bet it was just said that it's it's a more on par with the current engines that we see but it didn't say how faster it is for example lyceum go ahead go ahead it doesn't say how faster it is like for example you see in an iOS presentation it'll tell you that the safaris new Java Java rendering engine is five times faster than the competition and we've actually seen how battery efficient uh you know uh OS 10 Yosemite is with the Safari compared to Chrome for example but we not none of this was mentioned today and is that is the point i think that that that is exactly the one thing they should have mentioned because while doodling and sharing and liberation is good to be there as an option which you probably use two or three times within five years I'm exaggerating the pores are it's actually only one you are browsing the web every day for multiple minutes or multiple hours and you want to spend that time mostly in consuming content and not waiting for the browser to load the content so I think that a speed rendering and details like this should have been in the presentation because everybody wants to know how fast project Spartan is compared to I II how fast it is compared to the competition sure today wasn't a very technical event I think if we wait till build will get those answers Emily and I we actually have a Q&A question from shot at parvez who's as he has if Spartan seems like a better option to Chrome and you know just to give you a quick answer probably the only differentiate differentiation between Spartan and every other browser is the Cortana integration which is the third thing that they mentioned and we already discussed this the fact that Cortana looks within the context of a web page and that provides useful information without you having to call on Cortana that's probably the only thing that goes beyond what print browsers can do and Michael what were you wanted wanting to say I don't think that's true i mean we talked about a lot of stuff that's partner is supposed to be able to do that other browsers can't but Cortana is certainly the most visible so I sorted I sort of get what you were saying that this question is interesting to me because it reminds me that the browser Wars and it should remind all of us that the browser Wars never really ended you know I mean in my personal experience I started with Internet Explorer I got really fed up with it after a couple of years than firefox came into the public consciousness I was like oh wow this is way faster and lighter and I'll use that for a couple years then chrome came up as i'm at firefox really slow chrome is really light and fast and in the past year or so chrome has just gotten so laden with bloat and their most recent update tripled the amount of clicks it takes for me to go from one account to another within chrome which is this annoying thing that google keeps doing keeps making things heavier and stickier nastier and so i'm very much looking forward to trying spark but I think probably sixty percent of that reason is just because oh it's new and they haven't gotten a chance to screw it after yeah looking for the next to me I know and I guess the bait the main reason why I'm now a full-time Safari user even for this hangout is because my god I could use the battery and it really won't cripple the battery like chrome does and that was one of the biggest complaints about Internet Explorer how it would just make your fans go crazy on any Microsoft laptop so so yeah that's that but in a nutshell this is what project Spartan is we don't have an ETA for us but we will keep you posted how about if we move the spotlight on this Tony I don't know if you have any other final opinions on this no I'm good I guess we should move over to what everybody wants to hear holographic hollow lens thingy and Steven please I'm sure you fell so much in love with this you want to talk about it yeah this so with the past year now we've seen this let me be more than the past year really oculus got this started with the oculus rift and this renewed interest in virtual reality technologies finally gotten to the point where it's we're able to build devices that have the resolution that have the speed to make this approaching something that's attractive these aren't like your 1993 clunky and not even texture mapped VR graphics this looks nice you just have been doing this in the PC with oculus for over a year now it's moved into phones with things like the gear VR Microsoft out of the blue is decided to take this to the next level with this self-contained system they're calling the platform windows holographic the hardware is the hollow lens it's a headset that has its own cpu processor this isn't something like your view our you plug it into your phone like oculus rift you plug into the pc you put this on your head and you're inside this augmented virtual world the idea then is that you can see these display overlaid upon the the world you can reach out and touch they had a really impressive demonstration today with the user creating a 3d model like it's reaching out into space grabbing at pieces and applying them to this bottle and it looks very interested interesting for designers gamers of course are going to love this the ways that will use this I don't think we can even fully appreciate just now Microsoft talked about scientific implications it's working with NASA to have a simulation of what it would be like on Mars from we finally send astronauts there we don't have a lot of technical details on the hollow lens hardware just yet microsoft tucked in general about how it's going to have in addition to the cpu and GPU is special holographic processor designed for taking information about the real world helping decrease latency making this as fluid and experience as possible it's all hugely ambitious and we're just really barely touching upon it here we're super concerned about price obviously this is very advanced looking hardware and we don't have a great sense yet what it's going to cost Microsoft insists that's going to be affordable for home users as well as in corporate customers but until we really see you know make a formal announcement of a special event just about hololens we've been on all the details just yet but my god this thing is impressive looking impressive looking tell me something am I the only guy that saw that video of how they were building that quarter cropped quadrocopter to be fake just been acting set on them I mean everything was first of all everything was projected on a separate camera which it you could possibly do if the API is as robust as they're making it out to be no you guys everything look okay wait that camera had the glasses on and that's why we could see the projection I you know I don't know there are technical confinements to doing a presentation like that where you're like it would be like us when we were talking about getting a google glass unit when they were new we were like wow okay well that would be fun but we're gonna spend 1500 hours how are we gonna be able to film it how are we gonna be able to see the interface I mean you know so I understand you know you have to it was just like when they were showing off windows 10 up for phones you know they were like okay we can't run this because the code is so young so we have to show you an animation that approximates it I mean you know it's whatever I get custom that the end result is going to look close enough to the simulation that we what our appetites but I think they did a really successful job of doing that even if this is nothing exactly how it's going to do anything though I will say OMG go ahead Tony then I'll say man I was about to say that I think that this was the highlight and this this took it home for Microsoft absolutely it's super exciting it's super futuristic and I'm super excited about it it's just that I don't think that it's for to kind of it it's not for a kind of user like you and I are you sure it's for the professionals for doctors for fashion designers for astronauts for viewing it's for the kids for gaming but for a prosumer like us guidance not in an enterprise not a businessman but it's mostly working on a device it would not be that useful to see Jaime on skype while looking at my kitchen table instead of just looking at home it on my screen mmm not only that I mean I like the concept I like the idea it's great that's why just because it's just like for example that whole quadrocopter thing I mean currently designers use a mouse and their hand is on a table and so it's resting on a table to be able to you know menu manipulate that same design with a mouse pointer and have it done compared to holding things well holding nothing your hands in the air I mean we've discussed over how cool connect this but how people stop using it after the gimmick face well not using not stop using it fully but people just don't like raising their hands in the air to do things because people can become tired of doing that you know but I'm going to circle back digit Tony's objections there but I don't understand the use case for this I'd rather just skype on my my pc or something we were talking earlier about with the surface hub and how businesses would use this for teleconferencing and stuff remember when this teleconferencing first really took off and yes it can be very affordable it can connect you with users around the world without having to jump on a plane but there was this pushback that busy executives really one of these face-to-face meetings there was value placed on the descrition all sitting around a conference table together think about what you do with this where instead of looking at everyone on a screen or on your laptop you're putting on the headset you're sitting down around a table and it looks like they're sitting there at chairs in the same room with you everybody wearing that yeah everybody in the regular everybody in their other what if this was the size of google glass though yeah actually Stephen I I have a sort of a counterpoint to that like Google glass is is nowhere near the capability level of this I want to acknowledge that up front this is a you know this is a flight a trailblazer for a new platform and an entirely new way of thinking about everything from gaming to meetings to personal computing as a whole like I mean this is a much more impressive product than glasses conceptually but I was forced to even as I was watching their demo even before we knew that a headset was involved as I'm watching the demo video and it's very craftily showing Holograms sprouting up from furniture and things like that and it's all very cool I was stealing a glance at the actors in the video and the headgear they were wearing and Microsoft was very craftily shooting this thing that it was minimized there was a lot of shadow on the heads are behind a lot of me a lot of from behind shots but even as I before that video was even finished I think I tweeted I'm like man that head said looks like that's some intense headgear you gotta wear it looks a little heavy it looks yeah man so my point is that you know people didn't want something even as relatively sleek and light as Google glass and some of it was the camera some of it was the price blah blah blah blah blah but some people just were like no that's too weird I don't want to put that on my head I don't see something like this taking off any faster but you know because of that that's that physical inhibition well the i guess the difference is the usage case scenario google glass is only drink I know Google glass is designed to be something that Google wants you to wear every day whereas you know the hollow lens is really designed for specific usage scenarios like you know a conference call like we're talking right now or building a specific thing and you know once you're done you take it off I just I I the minute we're having a conference go like this and all three thumbnails down there are wearing that I'm just leaving the comment well yeah well we wouldn't have to we'd have little avatars so we wouldn't be seeing each other we'd be seeing each other's avatar and then then that would be very cool because I would be like really buff in like constant uniform but but but it's like wait a second so we're all gonna be blue and wearing this long ponytail and speaking and speaking Navi well you know guys I I guess I guess we're done with the rundown right it's well piss orgy but no I guess we can't be done with hollow right there's a lot of people asking questions about it and they're not well you find your questions there's there was an awesome excellent tweet from from our colleague Adam Lane who was very excited to meet yes who followed we're done no hollow Cortana let me oh wait yeah yeah well you know they they had to do when they released Cortana in different markets they did enable different voices so I imagine that when we win we see this because we know we will court you'll be able to choose what you want court honor to be whether whether it because they still own the obviously it's an Xbox property it's a Microsoft property they can make real Cortana but also don't probably have a dude court on another pretty good probably dog the size paper clip you know a clippie a clippie core tenet yeah yes absolutely I don't know I don't know well we've already given our opinions on whole and so far and strange shahed odds question of another question from source see why asking what browser do you use right now I well we already mentioned that and when it's part projects partner available we still do not know another interesting question from coming alone so says do you guys think that with this new push of services they might finally start playing nice with people who use google um that's actually the other way around yeah it's not Microsoft that's that's that's the problem they have they Google is you know is throwing up roadblocks at every possible opportunity and with this SMS skype messaging integration are we going to see hangouts pop up in there I'm not holding my breath and I mean that would be that's like one of the last great unicorn dreams for me of the entire mobile world is that someday Microsoft finds enough finds a way to throw enough money at Google or or somehow get a google to play nicely with integrating google apps and and gmail and all that kind of stuff with Windows Phone because that would you know oh my god I mean I wouldn't even have to carry metrics we will naturally do it and I think it will come from google side whenever microsoft and its windows phone / windows then on phones platform becomes big enough to be a significant player in the game right now its iOS Windows Phone is somehow negligible in Google's cards no but I know but you don't think that that's exactly what Google the status quo that Google is trying to preserve like they don't want to see Windows Phone become another competitor they will probably be able to offer their services to Microsoft whenever Microsoft manages to gain a larger chunk of the market they will I was to do it I was thinking about that today I mean what is it why is I think that with the windows face being so significant I was thinking you know what why is it that Google is so reluctant to provide you know Microsoft little bone here and I think it has meaning to do with the fact that Microsoft competes directly with google in search which is the core business oh I would say Google's being I didn't do that an apple doesn't do that no I mean Bing search has a relatively insignificant market share compared to Google true but it don't know it's right it's ranked it's ranked the second search engine ever since they are using Yahoo Yahoo well yeah it is a second yeah it has a small to the market I no one is ninety percent and the other ones ten I'm not gonna money that what but where's the you know I'm going through other q and A's for example dick sieves question was already answered the next question from source cy about Cortana on xbox what do you think I don't see why that hasn't already happened to be frank I mean you know then again we're just seeing Cortana I hit the desktop now we know my is not the fastest moving company so just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen I think it's very likely to happen and I I think it should as for reasons we already mentioned I think Cortana is a great product and needs to be on as many Microsoft products as possible I don't have any experience with the latest microsoft consoles but you earlier Mike Michael were mentioning how you can just talk to it now it's responding is it functionally that different than Cortana as it stands uh you mean with the voice interface on next moment yeah it's um it is just because you're using it more like on the xbox with kinect at least the way i use it you're using it more more of like a vocal mouse pointer you know it's like xbox select xbox go back xbox go to Netflix so it's not like a natural language shorts you're asking its responding there's no back and forth right and to be frank it's actually quite quite inferior to Cortana in far in so far as understanding those like very often I'll be like your xbox playing grand theft auto 5 and it'll be like okay sweet what do you want to search for on bing I'm like you we have another interesting question from govt air bin who says ms said windows 10 upgrade it no wait a second that that's actually we already discussed the free for a year okay just another one sorry about that we have another one from Steve who says I think smart Spartan it's more of a rebranding of Internet Explorer than a new browser I think so because they were not giving us any information on how better this browser engine will be can we can I bring uh there's a question another question from Steve the audience seemed so bored at the event a big difference from an apple event and that is that's very true and it's not I don't bring it up just to just to be snarky and be like uh Microsoft your dorks but like it's it's really frustrating to me that most times when i watch a microsoft event the presentation is is I find it to be lacking and I think some of the products are really worth getting excited about but the they tend to when they go bold in a presentation they tend to go bold in a really really nerdy way that's not not really you know these jokes that kind of fall flat and even if they do Mike the audience which I don't think they do you know I I don't think there would be a lot of engagement there and it's frustrating you know and it's certainly not a problem unique to Microsoft a lot of companies suffer this problem but in a samsung demonstrated a couple years ago with the galaxy s4 it's really easy to go the other way and just do that content on this is not an easy thing to do and I don't mean to trivialize it is like every time every time I feel like we're losing the crowd mention the Seahawks and we'll get a chuckle out of them right yeah yeah or like Oh a Joe Belfiore hair joke that always plays great like that's grown and that's it I'll tell you this much in Microsoft's defends Apple events are our number one in a much larger venue um most a lot of the people in the audience or Apple employees uh you know you'll bid ringers yeah Microsoft is usually the the serious nerdy guy white apple while Apple is always the nonconformist the the Arctic losing their DNA I'll tell you this much I didn't expect the audience to go crazy over like something like the surface hub because you know once you project something that's really for the enterprise how happy can consumers be about something they're not going to buy that's just the way it is and the way they pertain portrayed the whole hollow lens you know they focus everything on how this is going to help NASA and not everybody in the audience must have been like oh I guess I need to change my job or something like that if I ever want to use it down all the ones I mean can we answer this other one from dex eve i know we kind of covered cortana a lot right now but this is a question that pertains to Windows Windows 10 um in its bracket to you go ahead Michael what do you think about Cortana being implemented into your desktop space question open to everyone else like what do you guys see the benefits to you having a Google now type assistant in Cortona I think we sort of covered that part of the question already but if you notice the wake or town is gonna be integrated into Windows 10 she's got a persistent search bar right next to the start button and one of my favorite things about OS 10 on the Mac is that you can just hit command space and you have the finder you can pop up and search for anything instantly and if Windows 10 indexes the system as quickly as Mac os10 does and I don't know if it will or not that's going to be really really nice it's going to remind people that that search bar is there it's because it's so here it'll always be there and then when they click into it to search for something they'll be reminded that Cortana is there and then ideally I think Microsoft to think well then why am I even typing court on a search for you know what sound studio and open it up you know so I think that's gonna lead to at least a unique user experience I don't know if it would be worth it to you guys would you guys find something like that useful or you prefer to type though I prefer to type and other things that I searched for on my pc are rarely natural language words like I'm not gonna say find photoshop I know that isn't my Star Trek for like a bright smile extra 347 j18 right but but if you're sliding into your chair like if you're coming in with it with a fresh cup of coffee and you're across the room and like if I'm five steps with my computer and because ik Cortana open up what what do I use open up iTunes or no open up Xbox music and you have the app open by the time my butt hits the seat I think that's cool I think it's cool it's hard to me to get excited about it but it's Oh take it why not I'll tell you this much probably my biggest complaint with Siri Cortana Google now is the accuracy at you know my English is not bad and even so not most of the time but some of the times it'll get it wrong and mainly because of that I'm like I'm not gonna even ask because you know there is a fifty percent chance though that it just won't understand what I'm asking for sizable right fit we did see uh we didn't mention this in the Windows Phone section but we did see finally Cortana starting to understand punctuation now just like you can go anywhere it's like hey everyone ! everyone ready for the party ? that I do that all the time in Android and iOS and I've it bugs me that I can't do it on windows phone so I hope they make that system wide and windows phone cuz like two minutes after they did that demo Joe Belfiore tried it in the messaging app and it wanted to automatically detect punctuation like it currently does and is not very good at so I'm like now no that's the way that's the biggest problem and speaking of Windows Phone up Steve Lamont has this question that I really wanted answer at this event aha I guess not it says that they say flagship phones plural coming this year I rewound that bit three or four times because it kept skipping on me try to hear exactly what was being said i don't but microsoft said we're gonna get flagship phones i think that's a plural but from them and other companies and later this year at some unspecified date there's really nothing i could pull out of that that was an interesting factoid besides new phones will arrive at some point and we didn't see the exploding tile thing when you hover your thumb over a tile and it blows up like oh yeah i mention that i want more windows phone but we don't have no did you guys find it the fake like I did the entire conversation between Joe and and Cortana yeah seems way too good yeah we're way too scripted and for me that part was fake not necessarily the the hello presentation but that conversation right there between Joe and Cortana that that was like somebody's on the other end then talking oh that was definitely stupid oh it's just the recording so you think that was just the record they don't have ten Taylor do a couple of like inserts for them and then they yeah yeah yeah go ahead Michael no no I was reactively making noise to hold the floor for no reason because I'm a jerk go ahead honey okay I think that I don't know looks like for example shahadat has a very interesting question that I think would help us wrap this wrap this a hangout up he says what do you think that Microsoft will fill enough expectation as rumors were very high this time I think this is a really good way to end our editorial round table I don't know about you guys how about you Tony now I think that that the buzz is definitely there and I've been seeing catching a glimpse of my twitter feed and definitely their stocks went sky high but that's how usually things happen with presentations like this a lot of exciting stuff to show and maybe we are a little bit underwhelmed because of the fact that we are mostly covering phones and tablets and wearables and we've heard a little too close to nothing about those and that's probably going to explain it I forgot what the question is so I'm just gonna ramble on I think a lot of exciting things and I think there's going to be other exciting stuff coming on at mwc and at build you guys answer the question I have the mighty was definitely Tony okay I'll go last if Stephen wants to go yeah I think we got more or less what we were hoping for here we heard that this would be a focus on cross device connectivity especially with gaming on phones we got that the only rumors that didn't really I mean there's the certain features we haven't seen yet but we can always see those a later date the only thing that we didn't get that was I think directly teased was news of this weird hardware the laptop phone combo it only came out recently this rumor and the fact that it didn't end up panning out I don't think is a huge surprise but yeah I think you know nine out of ten delivered on expectations here especially with windows holographic which no one was looking I mean we thought they might have some sort of VR thing as no specifics behind this the fact that we got this at all I am very excited more than I thought would be coming out of this so good job Microsoft I think yeah i'll pick you back on you with that stephen i think a lot of people were going into this event with sort of small expectations and not not in terms of you know diminished expectations but just small in terms of thinking like oh we're gonna get okay we're gonna get a new browser and windows 10 is gonna be a new desktop OS and we'll hear something about Windows Phone am able to give us a watch and you know that's kind of the way we think a lot of the time because you're conditioned to be like okay what's the next product what are we going to cover cover cover and Microsoft instead wanted to tell this story about windows transforming from an OS to a lifestyle and people's relationship to it going from utilitarian to love and you know a lot of that is to be expected that kind of hyperbole that marketing departments kind of spin out and certainly when satin ended up nadella spoke there was a lot of buzz words being used a lot of seamless seamless being tossed around but you know they packed it up with first with this surface hub which I think was kind of a red herring it was like oh okay here's the new hardware okay it's a freaking whiteboard and then 20 minutes later they're like no but actually here we go boom windows holographic so they backed it up with that kind of excitement they backed it up with some some cool stuff like a new browser some of this stuff so I think in the end yeah they met they met and exceeded most people's expectations but only in the long run are we gonna be able to tell if if if those expectations will continue to have been met at because I have no idea how that holographic stuff is gonna pass and because I volunteered to go last because we currently have a live viewership roughly four times the size of the average pocket now weekly live stream so who can tune in the podcast on Friday everyone cool cool that's actually you know I wanted Michael free to give us a preview of what else we could expect from the podcast on Friday yes absolutely and and we can expect a lot more of Steven talking and telling us exactly what went on maybe some some cursing I imagine Jules Jules when will it will fall over onto his side on camera for some reason when we talk about Microsoft and Stephen will actually will actually have our thoughts a little more condensed will be able to would hope and oh yeah by then our thoughts will be more clear exactly exactly right so yeah tune in for that on Friday afternoon it'll be a lot of fun pocketnow weekly podcast can't wait to hear and watch I guess my final expectations a little teaser for whatever you're gonna see later on today I'm the pocket out daily Microsoft edition because I guess we the only good news or the good impression that I have of this event is that it wasn't just one thing that Microsoft is showing that they are bold enough to expand to new markets even though those are Enterprise to bring new daring products even though we still debate if these are going to be useful to us at some point but I like this Microsoft I'd like that this is not the typical Microsoft that's focusing just on Windows and Bing I like this so my expectations were met to a certain degree I guess my only disappointment is again no devices no mobile devices no you know no enhancements and no growth and hardware when it comes to the existing things that we can buy right now with your phones and tablets and computers hopefully we will see more on this at MWC 2015 and we will keep you posted guys thank you very much for joining the editorial roundtable such a pleasure to have you all here Tony's particularly you what time is it in Romania to it is 11pm get the bed it is he's not gonna go to bed it's Wednesday Tony tell where you're going behind your ears do better it is 17 hour work day for me oh damn well okay so everybody please you can follow all our tag lines have our different places where you can follow us on Twitter and different social networks and again stay tuned for our parking our weekly 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