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he's here it's an iPhone world and we're just living in it celebrating the 10 year anniversary of one of the world's most iconic brands Apple took the wraps off a trio of devices shipping this year were there any surprises can Apple keep the pressure on the premium market and just what is the price threshold for an expensive gadget we've got a lot to talk about so make sure you're charged and ready for episode 2 7-0 of the pocket now weakly recorded November 14 at 10:00 a.m. Pacific this weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets that make our lives mobile smartphones tablets and wearables with all the stuff you wished existed when you were a kid and you had to talk about a unibrow it wasn't on a phone I'm Juan Carlos bag now senior editor at pocketnow.com joined as always by plucky podcast producer mr. Jules Wong and in the midst of a busy review season joining us now we've got mr. high made Iveta to jump into this discussion how's it going out there on the East Coast sir I'm trying to figure out how to a mute my microphone hold it oh you're unmuted we're hearing you now so I think you're 5 by 5 good buddy I apologize for the air-conditioner noise it is hot no I mean I've got a description fan like right on my butt towards the microphone so we don't have to hear that this is uh this is podcasting 101 keep microphone by face and fan by but and you will be super comfy I promise note then by ok I'll try to make some adjustments here televisions rocket buddy all right now jump into some real tight tomfoolery I wanna I want to shout out this week's sponsor it's a company I believe that many in our audience will be familiar with it is of course D brand now if only with with this explosion of glass back devices wireless charging all of these fun features if only there was an easy way to 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cool for your technology and we thank them for supporting the pocket now weekly indeed we do and we also would like to thank you if you're going to participate in this podcast because we definitely need your feedback this show around especially with all the Apple talk that's going around so hashtag P and weekly on that Twitter sphere we got that going on hashtag P and weekly or if you would like to write it in later that is podcast at pocketnow.com the email address that you would like to send things to podcast apakah now compy and weekly hashtag we've got it all covered for you right now yeah and we've already were already getting some tweets in on the P and weekly hashtags we'll be covering those later in the show people definitely I mean the the iPhone X has been a very polarizing discussion so I think we you know it's like when you're dating a nice girl and then you get engaged and it takes like a month before you go from saying girlfriend to beyond today and it takes like another month before you say oh this is my fiancee I mean this is my wife this is the same thing Apple has to give me at least a week of screwing this up because it's still iPhone Roman numeral ten well Dirac's that's how I'm helping you with the title of this show here you know you see it's you're the only iPhone but I think ten I see I like that that's good Jules that was that's a good title pun because I'm terrible at coming up with the title puns it's a thing that I get paid to do yeah you get paid very well to do that I'm sure no we've got a whole bunch of Apple news this this whole podcast it's it's the Apple world this there's no other news happening this week no one rightfully anyone who's trying to get a press release out right now is probably playing a pretty foolish game but we've got a whole series of devices that were were announced on Tuesday on twelve we should probably just do a quick little roundup on what else was announced aside from the iPhone before we jumped in there because we had Apple watch Apple watch OS announcements and then also Apple TV announcements some pretty interesting stuff for that that fruit ecosystem actually I might want to start off with you first of all just how did you feel about the keynote this is you know this was the first time that they had presented in this amphitheater is the Steve Jobs theater this was for the tenth anniversary of the iPhone you know there was a lot sort of riding on the presentation do you think it captured the sort of sense of of Apple Majesty that they were hoping for this new line of products and the sort of milestone event for them that is a good question I mean Steve Jobs was a wonderful presenter I this is the first time that the company has made homage to you Steve ever since him passing there was you know obviously they mentioned him on the first keynote after he passed away but then after that a lot of the elements that made Steve Jobs presentations popular were gone like the one more thing you hadn't seen that since you know Steve passed away I love that they began the presentation giving him a sort of an homage now I also loved you know Apple is usually not one of those companies that you know mentions any you know any difficulty things that's difficult that's happening around like for example what's happening with Hurricane Irma and everything right down in Florida and so I love that part was the presentation as good as I expected uh I don't know I guess there's just no way to replicate that 2007 presentation of the iPhone right and I feel that there is no way to replicate it because I think that what Steve did that was unique was he presented an idea like he literally sat us like if we were in smartphone 101 classes in college this is like your entry you imagine that smartphones were a career he sat us at 101 and he gave us an explanation a very direct distinctive explanation that any human could understand over why they were making such a dramatic shift from curity keyboards from hardware from Hardware keys from everything why they were making such a dramatic shift into you know flat slabs and that explanation was just so remarkably made that even if the iPhone you have to remember how underpowered the first generation iPhone was like there were already third-party applications in the market the iPhone didn't support them there was already 3G in the market the iPhone did not support it there were so many things that the first generation iPhone did not have and it was also going to be the most expensive smartphone of its time at $500 plus a two-year contract it was with whatever subsidy we were expecting it was pretty exactly exactly in Bixby I'm not talking to you by the way sorry you know it's got the sensitivity but that's another topic we actually have to talk about but you know I feel that that was missing in this presentation like why would you so why would you say that this is the future of smartphones like getting rid of bezels you know I think that Steve's principled explanation back in the day of the first generation iPhone was okay we're making a complete slab because we can't change buttons that made sense we're making a larger display if you remember back in the day this places were 2.2 inches 2 inches of anything on your biggest smartphone back then and so to make a jump to three point five was insane who I mean just all of all of those great like you know a 3.5 inch screen that's incredible that's incredible and so okay we're gonna move into 3.5 inches we're gonna do capacitive technology okay so we have an iPhone now that doesn't have bezels I think that there is no phone right now that does less bezels than the iPhone and this is great coming from the bezel King I mean the iPhone has always been the worst about it I mean do you think so I mean was one of the things that we put up on Twitter this morning was you know I'm looking at the the iPhone presentation and I'm turning over and looking at my Galaxy S a I'm looking at my LG v 30 and I really do believe there are probably some LG and Samsung designers that are feeling more than just a little bit flattered right now with the the iPhone X announcement hold on I get it I sorry I couldn't be myself I get it it's just you know I feel that the iPhone is doing the best job at no bezels right now and that's all great but I feel that the company didn't really harness the reason why they were wanting to do this so you know Jonathan Ive and his in his video and I love the video by the way you know he explains that forever since they started the first iPhone they wanted to make an iPhone that was all display that makes all the sense in the world and that's great the thing about it is why are you wanting to do an iPhone that's all display I would have loved that during the presentation that would have said you know we did this because this phone fits in one hand sort of like what they did with the iPhone 4 with the iPhone 5 sorry you know we're making a taller display but we're still making this phone easy to handle in one hand and nothing of none of that was ever mentioned they're just making a full screen display just for the sake of doing it but not you know they didn't provide any organ onyx over what the purpose is or anything they're just were adopting glass for wireless charging now don't you feel that that's actually becoming more of an eye I think that's becoming more of a concern for keynote addresses across the industry because I left the note 8 event from Samsung in New York feeling kind of the same way this was a lot of really good feels a lot of really good emotion behind this event same thing for the iPhone but the substance you know why we're tuning in for a two-hour press conference what these new devices are going to do and getting into the details felt a little surface felt a little yeah a little light or a little uninformed yeah again and that's the reason I'm telling you I think that that's those are the things that I loved about Steve Jobs presentations Steve was a little more detailed you know not necessarily over specifications but over you know the things you know you remember when he like for example when he showed his flick scrolling on the first iPhone like you hear you hear the response in the audience and everybody's like wow cuz remember those things didn't exist back then you know they were like we're not gonna do a stylus we're gonna do something that's different something that's smarter and so no we don't have that detail these new presence agents you're right one and it's not like I mean it sounds sort of infantine I'm not like insulting it but like when those infantile cools just come here is like oh look at this it's all new you don't have the advantage here of having Steve Jobs come up to stage and say a phone in an Internet communicator and I and you know go through all that hydrate and an iPod and that microwave exactly and there's been this whole of you know convergence and steep learning curve has just flattened out recently and now we're coming to a point where it's like okay here's the newest thing it's face ID and instead of having to press your thumb to the thing you have to raise your phone to your face and I feel like a couple of takes from you know satirical outlets you know there's this a fake person that says so those 10 years of cultivating my home button skills were all for nothing in part I feel like you know that's kind of a satire on not just like I and like people are stupid and they have to relearn things but you know it's just like well no Jules I mean that's that's an excellent point though is because one of the things we've always talked about with iOS devices is they typically aren't the most exciting from a UI or a hardware perspective but you could give you could take someone from the original iPhone and give them an iPhone 7 and the learning curve would be pretty low you know like so much of that has been built on a consistent track record of execution very much what we were talking about with I've forgotten his name the gentleman from AARP change oh yes thank you change for change sake can can really get in your way from a design and UI implementation and so now I mean let's let's get into the phones because I mean I think we keep talking about the press conference and obviously the press conference keeps leading us back to the pins magical it's magical everything's magical it's so Steve grab now unicorn end of story IIIi think this this press conference for me has really underscored that the phone Hardware probably doesn't matter that much yeah looking iPhone eight looking iPhone 10 and what we're looking at for new products and new services that to me is really gonna be the future of what what consumers care about so so let's get into those devices we're starting off with the iPhone eight if you were hoping for an iPhone 7s this is it it's gonna be very similar in design and form factor now getting rid of the aluminum back from the iPhone 7 the iPhone 6 going back to a glass rear and that's going to provide for wireless charging hi mate do you think that this strategy is because now we've got a whole wealth of devices Apple is keeping a catalog of iPhone se iPhone 6s crazy iPhone 7 iPhone 8 and iPhone 10 we used to talk about you know fragmentation and they're not really fragmenting but they're keeping a pretty wide stable for consumers at a variety of price points now how do you think the iPhone 8 fits into that strategy now ah I don't understand the whole purpose of keeping of launching an iPhone 8 and then keeping the iPhone 7 and keeping f1 success if anything they should have just left the iPhone S II launched the iPhone 8 and you know launch the you know it here's the thing and I guess the biggest point is well number one of you want the latest and greatest iPhone but you don't want to take a dramatic plunge in a price tag then you get an iPhone eight you know I guess that's the way to see it and I think that this move is genius for a couple of reasons number one I don't know if you knew this but if you watched my after the buzz of the Apple watch series 2 there is a problem with apples implementation of 7000 series aluminum it oxidizes very easily um you know if you sweat your phone constantly or or if you sweat your watch constantly like the iPhone my son's iPhone 6s looks like crap like it looks it looks like if it's feeling but it's not peeling it's actually a different type of oxidation provided by the holes I assume that it's because of the zinc alloy and somebody explained that to me at the essential events actually explain to me the reason why that was happening with iPhones and the reason why a palak's aliy needed to move to glass I think it wasn't just you know the fact that they wanted to adopt glass but I think that no company was doing 7000 series aluminium you know more I mean in the full body they except for Apple Apple is the only company that was doing it Samsung is doing just mortars of aluminum with glass in the back LG is doing the same but you know I think that this is actually causing Apple problems and so it made all the sense in the world to make that shift to glass I just I to be honest with you I don't understand the purpose of the 7/7 and say you know seven seven plus success is particularly the success like what's the purpose of keeping them and keeping the SE if not because the company is left with inventory because these phones haven't been top sellers you know that the last time that Apple sold well when it came to iPhones was the iPhone 6 and then from 6s and on the company has actually been selling less than what they predicted so you know they're they're I don't know I don't know they're this is the most that Apple has ever offered iPhones in history the most yeah III have to agree I was really happy to see the S II still maintain its spot cuz yeah it's the iPhone se and then Sony are the only company is offering sort of a nicer experience in a truly small form factor device the the iPhone 6s I you know again we want to see like what is the strategy and what markets is Apple appealing to and maybe this is a sound strategy for developing LTE markets we're a premium device might end up being something like an iPhone 6s um but when you get to that last graphic at the end of the presentation and there are five phones up on the screen it seemed to me does this does this start to devalue the iPhone 8 does the iPhone 8 actually become something more of a mid-range err for an upper premium it ranger it's not it's just it's just and here's the thing I one of the things that I like about no it's not sorry one of the things I don't like about Apple and you know it's but it's what I tell people is listen don't get the S don't get the the launched product meaning you know don't get the latest and greatest if it's not an S model because you're all you're getting the same specs as last year but you're getting a new body and really you're paying more money for a new body but you're getting you're not gonna get a better experience until the following year always the following year continues to bring you know better things that when it comes to specific specifications even if there are any problems - it's the S series that always fixes them so here's the thing you have an iPhone 10 that iPhone 10 has the exact same specifications of the iPhone 8 so you have a choice you can get the latest and greatest with vessels and the typical Apple design and you don't get to pay a thousand bucks or you get the latest and greatest gorgeous iPhone but you have to pay the money but you're still getting the same specifications and pretty much nearly almost the same experience that you get with an iPhone 8 see you know I like that Apple is like okay fine you know we're making a dramatic leap with his iPhone and price tag and in user experience with killing touch ID and things like that and I know that there are like for example my my brother-in-law he's up for an iPhone exchange he's up for an iPhone change right now and he was like no I'm not getting the 10 I'm actually gonna get the 8 and I'm like really why are you gonna get the a he's like well I'm getting the same I'm getting the same internals yeah I don't have to get you know give up touch ID which is something that I'm used to I guess I'm a little skeptical and I'm hoping that this is not another Applegate you know how about I you know is this going to turn into is is this going to turn into the new face game you know people being able to unlock phones with their face with somebody else's face or things like that and he's like I don't want to I want to play it safe I you know I need my phone my phone is literally my tool so I would rather play it safe and go for the 8 and I think part of it is just due to the fact that people have been talking about this super cycle where people have been waiting since maybe even the 4s to upgrade and this is going to be the big one and this is going to be something that will blow your minds and to some point I think some people might be disappointed and Apple recognizes this and they've made the widest spread of options to them in the long you know since forever they have options for 349 449 549 they've actually bucked up the the main model price to $6.99 from 649 so your that Christ out there but that's been relativity too when I was 8 like in $800 and then the you know $9.99 we were talking about after the note 8 launch 2 though is in a world with a note 8 and an iPhone 10 a $600 phone is now representing the upper mid-range yeah that's that's shocking in this day and age and that's where I'm actually been really you know a lot more positive on and the iPhone 8 then the iPhone 10 is first generation products from any company make me nervous this isn't a slam on Apple it's there's a lot of stuff that Apple has never done before in one phone and I mean to your tier you said your brother or brother-in-law I'm sorry brother-in-law brother-in-law point like for a mission-critical communications device that we depend on every day that has to be in our pocket along with our wallet and keys Apple is actually introducing a small element of risk for their fashion brand you have to be in on this experiment with them in a way that I don't think we've seen from any Apple product previous or especially any iPhone product previous yeah and and you know I love so I love that part of the presentation where they were like you know the reliability of touch ID is 1 in 50,000 like they had never shared those statistics before and they felt the need to share them just to be like listen I we know it's risky but it's not it's actually better than touch ID and so I was actually watching that part of the presentation and I was like huh is touch ID really that bad well and if it was why were we relying on it for Bank exactly exactly what did you just do you one of the biggest selling points of the of the Apple experience writing this piece of hardware around one in 1 million that still means that 7800 people or something like that can go ahead and unlock your phone well and I loved it they were up front with like all and if you've got family members that's gonna reduce you know I mean that's gonna increase the likelihood of a false positive and they were even like yeah you better keep your password handy I'm like seriously III am very concerned I mean this is one of the reasons why I actually because I don't like any type of hold phone up to face unlocking system neither do I I like my phone is unlocked as it's being pulled out of my pocket before I even have to look at it or wait for it or react to it but if I'm gonna hold the phone up that's maybe one of the reasons why I think I'm gonna gravitate more toward Samsung's iris scanning uh it's a smaller target you've got to get your eyes lined up it's probably less based on the geometry of your face and more on the individual characteristics of your eyes like I think that and I I would love to see a security expert actually go to town on these two different systems Rhodes III think they offer pros and cons that where Apple is probably going to be more consumer convenient I wonder if Samsung's solution won't end up being more secure you know I just I follow with my point that Samsung Samsung explicitly tried to kill the fingerprint scanner with this crazy placement you know they were like you know you're not gonna meet it all you're gonna need is the iris and then Apple just completely killed it it was like yeah let's just kill it let's do that and I wonder what the whole purpose is I mean I agree with you there are you know there are certain scenarios where I could just see people and this is not something that I do but you know let's just agree on the fact that people do this people are on their phone while they drive yeah let's just admit the fact that the we'll do this my sister does it all the time I see people driving and they're on their phones in the freeway I despise it but it's a fact that it's a reality and dude can you imagine people just grabbing their phones and having to look at the damn phone to be able to unlock it you know they're just adding even more elements of risk to what people currently do and and I I don't feel that any company again I don't want to lay all of the blame at Apple because I feel that this is sort of industry-wide but we still haven't really addressed I mean to your point cuz I completely agree with you I we still haven't really addressed to the other car centric issues or even just walking around I mean we were we were walking around for the note 8 event watching people almost get hit in traffic because yes or walking by staring at their phones yes there's that not only a social etiquette but also a social social safety issue or something it's actually illegal in certain countries now I hope it's ok rightfully so hey at least we haven't we haven't really addressed some of the other usage scenarios things like better voice or better audio controls and I don't have a lot of confidence that you know Android auto Apple car is an apple carplay or Apple carpet called airplay but but then also tying that in with Siri and Google assistant they really haven't addressed the number of times I need to mix interface I go from voice to something on the screen to confirm something to tap to reference to get audio back I mean all of these things still take multiple steps and you know company has done a great job you really you really need and here's the point that I was gonna make you should start using Bixby no I'm not talking to you I'm not talking to you ok so ok so with the reason you're with the reason that we did so I didn't understand what the whole company meant with contextual so it's literally like doing macros on Excel like it literally is conscience of the commands that are on the display and whatever it's like if it's not server based like if it doesn't really need for Google Maps to be supported by Bixby what it'll do is it and I'm not talking to you my god what it'll do what it'll do is it'll literally if you tell it I want you to give me you know navigation home or or do this or do that like it actually does commands with your voice to the app even third-party apps and so you know I think that that's actually a very smart way to do your voice assistance I I had no clue until I started using it with the know date and you've been back to your point I mean yes there there is so much of a of a protocol that needs to be addressed over human behavior smartphones and and a lot of this wants to be addressed by the Apple watch series three and I think they won't behave urine go back to Steve Jobs and the whole one-finger paradigm for using a touchscreen smartphone Peter Hayden with the P n weekly hashtag asks I guess iPhone acts got rid of reach ability so we'll dive under or have Apple forgotten jewels did it to literally actually a good point though because because hey you you were a big fan of reach ability I die am I am a huge user of reach ability it's one of the reasons why I was I consider it livable to use a seven plus um so again I can't wait for our iPhones end review unit to arrive and see how usable the phone is with one hand I have very real concerns over the number of gestures happening yeah I don't know about you but I find like when we when we got used to having a button you have a home button or you've got you know the touch ID there's a very positive specific feedback response and you know that in action has been completed so like you with reach ability you've got that light double tap on the home button it pulls this ring down and that works far more consistently than when you've got like an LG where you've got a swipe across the software controls at the bottom of the screen that I hate that I hate that Esther is more prone to and so now we exactly your first slide to get into multitasking you've got a gesture to get you back home instead of having a home button if you slide from the right layer of the cut out you get a control center you get control center then you slide from the left ear of the cut out you get your this feels very uncharacteristic of Apple to make it an interface this busy which requires so much learning so so much muscle memory from the consumer yeah I don't know man it's a that's gonna be interesting particularly you know Apple just continues like this is like the worst fragments at Apple I have ever seen we've got computers with 3.5 millimeter headphone jacks computers that require mac safe but then the others require two USB see they're still all in the market then we've got you know iPhones which are gonna have different gestures to a you know call on control center like the iPhone 10 has away the iPhone eight has another you know there are features in one phone that are not available in the other and so it's just like really and then you've got 3d touch that doesn't work on the iPhone S key uh you know I have never seen Apple more fragmented in my life and I I think that it's gonna come back and bite the company at some point because like for example okay so I I like the fact that your gestures are are you know working around you know one side is gonna give me one thing the other is gonna give me the other if you remember this was Android 4.3 I mean jelly bean was like that if you slide from one side of tablets you got what you got the quick shortcuts and then if you slide from the other you would get notifications that's the right jellybean would work that's all fine and dandy it's just okay you know with the whole print the whole purpose of reach ability is to be able to reach things with one hand if you want to call in the notification shade you know you have to slide you could call reach ability and slide the question is I don't know if you noticed but they instead of the home button there's like a whole bar at the bottom now yeah if you want to me at least like it looks like the Samsung pay cut down at the bottom yeah like that you know the edge coil thing - yeah which is I actually like how you can swipe between one app and the other by just sliding one one way sliding back so I wonder if that's going to have functionality you know you can double tap that and get reach ability or how usable is that phone in one hand that's my biggest question you know you didn't have these problems with an iPhone 4 iPhone 4s but now you're gonna it's why I lovely it's why my se is my favorite travel device I mean when you're carrying bags and you're rolling suitcases around there is no better one thumb yeah handset than the iPhone se you can't you can't I have to agree so there's this bin there's this one issue that happened during the event itself in introducing face ID and face unlock and that was the whole thing about the phone with the backup you know like oh I can't I can't get in let me try this other unit and Andrew Wallace was asking about that and I would people in the direction of the lockers David Cone Oh actually Jules you got to read Andrews tweet though PN weakly I was really hoping that when face unlocked derped during the event that his watch would chime the heart warning those are I mean I don't there's just one big feature high caste but and it that error came up as just a thing that happens like touch ID you can't use touch ID if you restart the phone you have to enter the passcode in so you know and it showed the same text except with face ng I just I love I love how it's become viral you know how it's become so they you know and a couple of youtubers are trying to piggyback on the whole concept that it didn't work I'm like I'm sorry the phone didn't unlock the phone remained locked right if anything he proved that it did work yeah you know like I'm not gonna we can't we can't go trashing Apple for something that happens on beta prototyping live like yeah as gracefully as someone couldn't given the situation and that also gave us a piece of data again what happens when face on face ID doesn't work and this is exactly what we're concerned with my wife was looking at this because she has to use an iPhone for work she's not the biggest iPhone fan but they're probably not gonna be issuing iPhone tens at her job but she was running like are they really gonna get rid of like passwords like well no I've you know if you're gonna still sell these things to like government or to business or other corporate institutions you still have to have pins you still have to have strong character-driven passwords all of that's gonna stay the same so if you don't want to use face unlock you're still gonna have other opportunities I mean you can put your PIN and that's it you know which is the way that everybody has been unlocking phones up until the fingerprint scanner arrived I just you know I hate that Apple was reluctant to adopt the fingerprint scanner at the back I mean I do understand that your new iPhone is horrible from the back I mean that vertical camera is like you know I want to sit down with Johnny have some coffee and be like what are you thinking - it's like I I want to have a conversation about the iPhone 10 and ask what happened to symmetry yes I mean why did they put the cutout at the top putting the camera way off to the side yeah I really curious how they arrived you're a collection of very emotional and very calming and it is very nice for you to hold I'm sure Johnny would would absolutely lomi into the Apple reality distortion field if we could ever have that conversation with him but this is a company that built their reputation on blending the function around form and here we've got a one very clear in your face at the top of the screen data point where the function of the device is overriding the design in the form and this again this is something that we've we're not used to seeing from Apple this is something that I really felt like we would have seen from like an HTC EVO device right like we had that we want this function so we crammed it on there and it doesn't look super great but we apologize of the phone looks whore but you know this is it's the future what about that sorry the future is free I mean if while we're at it why didn't we do that cut out at the top of the phone and one angle and make like the duo display of LG or something like that I mean like like seriously if working I don't understand what the whole purpose is that phone is gonna be a wonky nightmare on a table it's just gonna force you to buy a case just for it to not you know wobble and then you know you have a couple of concerns obviously one of them was gonna be that stainless steel there are a couple of benefits God Siri like really alright so the biggest problem so stainless a stainless steel has a couple of benefits which is like I remember in the case of the iPhone the iPhone 4 the 4 in the 4s when I remember that those sides would scratch all you needed to do was get like a 2,000 how do you call a sandpaper yeah yeah very fine the grain and you can yeah or or you can that or you could get like soap scrubs and you could you know polish it the problem is this one is actually it's it's shiny it's like yeah shiny stainless steel so I think Dom Thomas Macedo has this really cool video over over how to polish it you know these are just things you're gonna have to do with that you know stainless steel scratches a lot yeah you know it doesn't really matter if it's 316l or whatever quality of stainless steel you are going to scratch it it comes with the territory so that's probably you know that concern oh my god Apple Care Plus if you break this iPhone [Laughter] so I I'm actually even considering grabbing that iPhones end with that get an iPhone every year plan from Apple simply because Apple care is bundled because dude it's like it's $200 that's the entry point and then you know to get like a replacement unit of the iPhone 7 plus that time that I broke that screen to replace the unit was I I think it was like a hundred and it was like 110 so how much is it gonna cost to get a replacement of the iPhone 10 of you smashed that thing or something you know yeah that's that's gonna be an interesting question especially for that one person who you know is gonna drop it on launch day yeah there's always that one news clip of someone oh show me your new iPhone and then they drop it oh yeah you never want to be the first guy out of an Apple store talking to the news crew because they're gonna make you drop your phone don't we and I wanted that's really you know I'm going back to your point over the existence of the iPhone 8 an iPhone 8 plus I guess one of the main reasons why these phones exist is because I think getting that iPhone 10 is going to be a nightmare yeah I think it's going there they're gonna make like the they're gonna make like the the supply of the 64 gigabyte there and be very and they're gonna force people into buying the 256 just because that's the only way they're gonna be able to get an iPhones and I'm like psychologically prepared that that's the only way I'm gonna be able to order it well and factoring on this it's gonna take them a while to really ramp it up again this is so different from anything Apple's made in the past that I would expect very long lines on the iPhone 10 yeah I per round this you know this whole release you know they got that general buzz from the tech blogs but they didn't get the details because there was this someone in the Sydney is George Street Apple story they were coming out on Sunday and that was before the announcement itself you have to wait that your quotas for the like a couple weeks for that and then if he really wants to iPhone X he's stuck there for a month and you know three weeks or something so right good luck with this the Apple watch though because we're running short on Amir philometor bump from the Apple watch sales instant fail I mean who could ever wear something like that point to five million or do you think I've got like gorilla arms come on Apple what are you doing it does come in a bump on the heart monitor which I feel like that could like sort of the fun people out just a little bit so here's the thing for everybody that's wondering if you want that series three well I'm obviously gonna review it and I'm gonna review it from a fitness perspective just so you know series 2 continues to be my favorite Fitness watch mm-hmm it's between the polar m600 and series 2 now bear in mind so long as you only use it as a fitness watch and the watch and you don't care about the apps you're gonna love the Apple watch do not try to launch any apps on that thing because because they don't they just don't read oh thank you no I process therefore the Apple watch they create ok so this is actually the only reason why I was I was like okay yeah we need to review this thing you know serious too is that it's no longer even in the store you can get series 1 which I do not recommend that composite back is terrible it doesn't work scratches horribly and so I guess the only reason why I'm interested in testing series 3 is not because of the LTE but seriously can it actually run apps this time do they actually work with this new processor and I'm even debating do I get the LT variant or not obviously I need to get the LTE bearing just to test that but I feel that it's really pointless to do so mainly because if you notice the battery stats and I covered this yesterday in the parkin out daily like yesterday's daily was about everything that Apple didn't mention at the event that you didn't know exactly number one the battery life on the Apple watch series 3 is still 18 hours but of year but if you like to make phone calls you know and I'll admit I've done a couple of phone calls on my Apple watch in the car you know I get a call I respond from the watch and I continuously have the call through my watch the problem is that if you're doing it through LTE directly from the watch your battery will die in one hour yep your bet I was like ok so you're telling me that everything is just gonna go it's three hours on series three with you know connected to the phone it's one hour directly through LT so this is literally it's not like if you're gonna be taking phone calls constantly on the Apple watch you know not necessarily because you know of the experience but because you're literally gonna kill your watch in one hour well she has reported last year that they Apple had concerns about battery consumption last year for the Sirius tier they didn't want they didn't excited against introducing cellular for series - this is the question I've had with with all smartwatches that are trying to shift over into this LTE strategy is the talking point seems to be you're gonna go on a workout you don't want to carry your phone so now you've got this LTE enabled device which for what your workouts gonna be an hour two hours three hours no so here's the thing the Apple watch actually matches Garmin and not just the GPS reliability but they also match Garmin in London Tiffany longevity of the battery when you're running so the Apple watch can pretty much last for five hours your standard marathon is four hours you know the average human will run a marathon in for something hours so those metrics make all the sense in the world you can run and I'm talking about Garmin smartwatches please I don't want to hear the Khan in the comments it doesn't yeah if you go for the cheap garments yes they have more battery life I'm talking about the Smart Watch it's five hours and so and so you know it makes sense for you to have a tool like if you're gonna run a marathon dude you literally just ran 26.2 miles you don't want to be carrying a phone so that makes sense right you want to be able to access your music so that makes sense and I love that whole I think that that was like an awesome selling point for Apple music you get all the Apple music that you want on your watch if you go for the LT Barry I think that was an awesome selling point for Apple music so I sorry Jules I couldn't hear you the carrier's have to follow up though I don't think any carriers really gonna be pumping the brakes on that I think they're all gonna want that as a value add on sale for yes you think they'll jump on that pretty aggressively that hasn't that's actually saying I love the data and whereas other people are just like I'm not sure exactly what's going on out there they have gigabyte blocks or they they're like before the Apple watch it this is this is what's kicking them into gear at this point and this is what's probably going to kick Android wear into gear again a set point in the future because if this is what's gonna make LTE on wearables hot it has to be unlimited because we're talking about 5g or something like that IOT like that asked me always is on and unlimited even act like those minuscule data consumption rates so I mean even then I want that because it's it's it's again it's a value add-on if you've got an older plan and you end up with this weird data block for your for your iOS watch then you need to upgrade your plan or you're gonna get charged overages or all this I think is is is win-win for carriers I think they're gonna be really excited to be supporting this where other LTE watches failed well Verizon and t-mobile are giving you three months for free of data if you connect an Apple watch Series three so and after that it's $10 a month added to your data bucket so I just I don't know if it's unlimited or not I just there are certain things that I you know part of my review is definitely gonna be okay fine okay it doesn't really can it still achieve those five hours and I'm not gonna lie to you on and particularly in my current status where I actually be you know I've made a couple of changes as of this week when it came to training due to some fizzy you know some physical conditions you know that we discussed in Berlin and I just I really need to get back into fitness so this is gonna be like the perfect timeline for me to review this watch so here's a thing for me to be able to lose weight I need to train at least three hours a day yeah as exaggerated as it sounds I'm and the more if I I sadly I my propensity to lose weight is very difficult and therefore I need to Train like a machine so I'm gonna definitely be testing out of that Apple music you know plus the whole experience of LTE Plus you know is the watch really usable on its own is it usable because that's not the only thing you care about if you're gonna leave your phone at home maps have to work on this thing like there's no tomorrow you know messaging apps like we all use messaging gasp and I'm like really curious as to how things like whatsapp we're gonna work on that thing like it's not okay to say like you you've got this limited experience because you're gonna be focused on your workout I need data I need mission-critical information service well the thing about it is the average human particularly in LA it's very common in LA for buildings to have their own gym so these are company executives that are going to be leaving their you know their this their business or whatever job they have they're gonna go to the gym for an hour an hour and a half whatever time they have they're not just gonna leave the phone behind unless the watch is like really good about connecting and you know probably one of it's not a concern I like the fact that this watch is just fifty dollars more expensive but then it also it also makes me wonder how confident is Apple that this watch is really capable of replacing a phone yeah then I think that they you know they didn't make it so much more expensive just to not generate bad publicity now I know we've got to let you go here pretty soon so I want to have we've been really critical about Apple and there's something like I actually want to bring up that I think is something we should celebrate which is Apple moving very aggressively into the augmented reality space oh yeah the iPhone 8 plus and the iPhone 10 really leveraging we've been talking about a our kit in previous podcasts they have developers on board in a way that Google hasn't seemed to inspire people with project tango and their augmented reality services and now we're seeing this built directly into a consumer facing product one of the most widely accessible consumer facing products moving in jazz here that has to move the needle on what we can do with integrated data in services using cameras and AR this to me is probably the most compelling announcement out of everything again the phone's probably don't matter as much as this new generation of services that were likely to see and I think it's genius I think it's genius if you go to a stadium and you point your phone at the stadium and you're able to see what players what you're able you're able to see you know valuable information the question exactly is you know how can we make a are possible the only way you're gonna make it so how are you gonna make it popular sorry the only way you gonna do it is if you make this like so valuable I mean I think that it's so cool if you're able to I mean and we've been seeing this I mean we've been seeing this from Nokia we saw it from Nokia in what was the name of the service where you would lift your camera and you would be told what buildings like what offices what I know exactly what you're talking about and I can't for the life of me remember this is not new augmented reality is not new and I think that Nokia was the pioneer with Windows Phone back in the day I just love that Apple was like you know what we're not gonna make people buy a crazy ugly pho that's either underpowered or overpowered or underpowered over expensive people are not gonna buy an extra phone for AR they're just not your net you don't own a Lenovo fab 2 pro really is no much friend you know III I actually have good taste actually have good taste for my phones but no I you know I have to agree with you on that we're being a little we were probably being a little too critical of Apple I have to agree with you on a are I I love the fact that it looks really good I can't wait to actually test it out I think that it deserves its separate video over the usage of AR and what you can do with it and you know to be honest with you in addition to AR I mean let's face it one I just I can't wait for every phone to look like the iPhone 10 going forward because I'll let me if we also shift that to say I can't wait for every phone to look like the LGV 30 oh yeah I mean or the V 30 or the or the you know I love the shift that's happening right now with devices like the essential phone with devices like the B 30 the the Samsung galaxys I love that we are you know pushing the bar of design we're not just making ugly phones and so we know that every single om is going to start following this trend yeah and and I actually like that I actually like the concept of hey what if face ID actually is really good I mean I mean it's it's level it's revolutionary from a perspective that sure we've been able to unlock phones with our face since what was it shoot Ice Cream Sandwich yeah we've been able to do it since Ice Cream Sandwich I've been using it on the v.34 a bit and it's it's really good on the v30 but obviously there is not be attention to detail in all the technology that's cooked into what you have on the iPhone right well so again I'm so excited by Apple's announcement for services so face ID is one application of this hardware that's on the front I mean the the frivolous side of this is something like an emoji right where it'll my face and put it on an emoji and we can all laugh and chuckle at that but that's a really friendly soft around the edges consumer application that people are gonna enjoy using and it'll take the edge off of that hardware you're gonna tell me that you didn't watch the the video of the iPhone 10 and you saw Johnny I've talking when they put the camera on him and then they got the you know they've got the enemy inside of dude that causes an emotional reaction and whether you like it or not that video was so well done it was so yes has ever emoted for anything dude I I think that that scene in particular that video is genius there appleís Apple has been trying to drive emotion in the market ever since their thing different campaign from their 15 17 years ago this is the way Apple does marketing and I think that they're killing it with the iPhones and I cannot wait to see the batch of advertisement for the iPhones and I mean think about it I know that no parent is going to be buying an iPhones and for their kids and we know that the iPhone 10 is going to be the you know it's gonna be the juggernaut let's face it no parents gonna buy an iPhone 10 for their kids yeah that's that's not gonna happen so forget about snapchat kids sorry you know that whole an emoji for snapchat but I think that 9:02 winners of komen I'm sure we'll see a few kids rockin okay but think about it you know Apple Apple over sold the company if you look at the 2007 presentation of the iPhone 7 the company's target for the iPhone was to sell a million units I think they sold four million units in a week yeah they over sold so badly that you know it just drove something and gifts what Apple did with the iPhone 3G you know the company could have been like okay the company the market has already paid five hundred dollars they've already locked themselves to AT&T no dude they dropped the price to two hundred bucks and a two-year contract with the iPhone 3G and nobody can come here and say that they did that because they didn't sell as many units as they want it they over sold so I think that the iPhone 10 is just as usual that you know the it's the vanguard change but that's that device that you know what they're charging is just going to be for you know to pay for R&D and everything and I'm sure that the I feel like the company has done it in the past I'm sure that iPhones n is not gonna retain that price tag another year no I don't think it will but this is also I think where Apple has always been successful and especially I need to take a call guys give me a second in being a lifestyle brand is that they managed to maintain a really healthy margin and that's why their shareholders are always so excited by these these new product announcements and and I can't really fault them for that I mean the market you you pay or you price your products at what the market can sustain and I think we're seeing a trend where consumers want some sense of exclusivity again or they want to feel like your product is special in a way that they probably haven't felt over the last couple years and this isn't again this isn't just on Apple I think this is a trend that we're seeing throughout the industry you spend a lot of money on this lifestyle companion gadget you want to feel like it's special you want to feel like it's you know unique or that it's that it's that's nicer that it's fancy at some point you have to fish or cut bait and when you're walking into AT&T Verizon it will sell your wherever and you see that price tagging see alright so I have to pay this is much down and forty dollars a month for two whole years I can I have a whole family to we've been waiting for so long like you know it's I don't know where why does it matter like it's it's it's you know groceries you're dealing with those what I think that's also why I think Apple and Samsung are going to be successful here is that it's the lobster pot effect you go from paying twenty five bucks a month to thirty bucks a month you go from paying thirty bucks a month to thirty five you know this has been a trend that we've been seeing for the last what three or four generations of smartphone especially is we've started walking away from the two-year contract you know an iPhone 10 on the old school two-year contract would have been a flop because it would have returned us - you have to pay $600 up front and sign on for a two-year agreement here so many more people are probably looking at more of a leasing structure you're just you know and actually gonna pay and here's the thing really owned I was looking into the leasing of you know that whole get an iPhone every year dude it's 50 bucks like that's nearly what you pay for a no date yeah so you know I wish I really wish that these you know these Samsung devices wouldn't have gotten so expensive this year when was the last time that we've paid more than $900 for phone so these companies have just made it acceptable for you to charge more money right and you know Apple just wrote the lightning well and this isn't necessarily a bad thing from a business perspective because I think the era of consumers trying to whittle down lowest possible margins price deals cuts bogos things like that is kind of giving what in North America I shouldn't say this is for the rest of the world into the rest world has a much better perspective on buying things like unlocked phones and here in the United States especially we're still playing the fashion game the lifestyle game what's the new hot color for this season what's the new design accent for this season and that's playing more into the emotional aspect of spending so much on something nice and then in the six months we're gonna hear pretty much the same complaints that we've always heard I wish my phone had better battery life I wish it was more durable I wish you know the screen was brighter when I'm outside or any of those other things but what actually won the purchase over was the emotion of the mole when that phone was brand new I really have to keep potions you know gentlemen I apologize but my other call has just begun so no we're actually gonna be wrapping this up so I I appreciate you sharing your thoughts thank you for inviting me it's always a pleasure I always feel so honored pleasure all ours have a good one gentlemen take care buddy you took the bite and actually I mean I think that's probably a fine place to kind of wrap this up I mean we've got a number of tweets here that I do want to cover using the P n weekly hash tag from Peter hatin agree 100% I wonder how Apple will help move a are in general Google introduced lens at i/o but will Apple help it I'm very confident they also had a thing that I don't remember the name of that they just launched and that basically made what they did in tango redundant and you know just catching up to a arcade so I mean it's it's a drag long process but we'll have to see well but I'm very confident that Apple putting this in a mass-market device a Jaime's point and my point when I was reviewing the Lenovo fab 2 Pro is project tango has been fun it's it's really cool especially you start loading up some of those demos and some of those games like I love the little Domino's you stack Domino's and you can knock them over and you can draw these patterns and it works really well but I'm not gonna spend four or five $600 on a on another thing you know just eggs because it has all of the right project tango AR cameras on it the fact that I Apple was able to pull off the demos that they were showing with what's gonna be a standard production grade iPhone 8 or I mean iPhone 8 plus is is really compelling and I think that's gonna be the biggest push we've seen in this kind of augmented service and I think the apps themselves have to be you know up and ready and easily loadable so that you don't have to wait around for them and that's you know they are kid that's that's both device and infrastructure and Eric or you know it's kind of making it available to the 60% of the world that doesn't have and I found so yeah that those are the hope that there's some talk between them and we're very confident that in 2018 we'll see an iPhone 8 at $100 price cut that starts pushing AR into sort of only $100 come on I mean that's that's what it's gonna be from Andrew Wallace we've got another tweet from him using key and weekly it looks like iOS is having the iPhone X's widow's peak I believe it's called the unibrow Andrew not the widow's peak cover up video and UI elements went in landscape no screen resizing I see so I really believe that there will be probably some kind of double tap on the screen we shift the aspect ratio or the screen size I don't think it's gonna stay the cut out blocking everything on the left-hand side of your video buffer for that but there's no software for reach ability so you give him you take well but I mean like I think they were only just showing off the full maximum screen for these demos I don't think that's gonna be the only way that you can consume games like them to think that that's you know that's sort of an unsexy way to approach it because you know you got the actual actual symmetry if he were to pull down like the black bar for the information and in reception and all that and you know people have been questioning that but that's not my I don't have taste in art so I don't have no we are but lowly geeks with no taste in art and then also from Jasin jing jing' co i pianned weekly why did Apple go to the trouble of designing a new taptic engine if they're ditching touch ID anyway um I don't think taptic engine was ever just for touch ID was for force pressing or 3d touch I think they call it and you know I mean if you're able to implement it into things like the LG 13 V thirties zoom and all the other camera possibilities that you have even with AR I mean we're still talking about a device that you have to handle yourself you can code those interactions in there's still a whole bunch that you can do with just haptic engine so I think the kind of touch feedback is really when when you're just talking about and we're talking about a premium device you know something in that $700 plus territory it's nice having a little bit of extra reassurance or feedback from whenever you interact with something on the phone very worthwhile and then from goat 78 the greatest of all time and I believe he was probably born in 1978 are you going to pay 84 dollars to unlock fast charging the USBC cable it's like okay join the club Android people let's do this right the doctor really I I don't I don't know exactly what the pricing is but I'm sure it's not gonna be cheap because this is this is one of the frustrating things is they can they can work but it does come with the phone and yeah and we're still in this massive USBC spec like what we're supposed to 3.3 for thunderbolt it's well and and that up it's so up in the air that you've got companies like Oppo and Huawei designing their own fast charging yeah completely circumvent all of the confusion so what we're supposed to do now is move back to full USB a is oh yeah and just make sure that it's totally waterproof to just do that and you'll be fine you know you know what's kind of interesting and and maybe this is my last point about iPhone is no one no one mentioned anything about the headphone jack anymore like apples apples experiment here in whether or not consumers would be negatively reacting to things like the headphone jack has pretty much been a non-issue or a non-starter and they're not even talking about additional accessories it's just now you'll go wireless you'll have bluetooth it'll be great they don't talk about they had a passing mention of the W one was they out there there's that and it's business subsumed and they expect their customers to get along with that and I guess but even for rumors like we were gonna get redesigning air pods or some kind of new earbud or headset like it was it was such a non-issue that they didn't even bring it up as a path for accessories even for additional sales they had nothing to talk about when it came to headphones or audio I think people are kind of resigned to their fate as all right am I going to search the carb seat cover for this or the couch because I don't think yeah this app is not really telling me where they are anymore because there they're not giving me the signal they're there they're dead so um yeah thanks for that Apple sorry I just think it's funny like for something that people have been so viscerally negatively discussing and even in my circle of family and friends like they get upset that there isn't a standard headphone jack on their iPhone and then they still go out and buy new iPhones to complain about the things that aren't on it and you're like well there's a solution but basically you've given Apple your money so there's no incentive for Apple to ever address that maybe they could redesign or bring it back or do something different with that CEO Tim Cook one infinite way Cupertino California 9 that's it is if you gave them their money it doesn't matter what you tell them you gave them right you voted in the best possible way for Apple to continue on this track record is by you know the financial aspect of of buying one of their product best banana republics oh yeah Apple has been in a republic that's hilarious oh and oh that's right we should probably mention this really quickly from Justin jingo you haven't talked about air power yet haha Apple inventing Qi wireless charging that's always exciting to see Apple invent a completely new technology that no one's ever utilized I think the one best thing that they invented was the sound that the phone makes when you put on a new device to the same pad I think that and the animation - it's so it's so smooth and buttery well no so this is this is one of those things like again at the same time that I can find maybe a little snarky and critical of Apple like I'm glad they chose Qi that's the that's the standard I wanted them to support and of course they've got to put their Apple spin on it so if you want to charge your Apple watch your air pods and your iPhone all on one pad and have a really pretty notification system for what the device charge is on all of those gadgets then you want to go with air power and I like that bit of synergy I mean that's that's an Apple ecosystem move that I can support if you're in the iOS ecosystem those are the kind of things you should expect but then if you want to go to a Starbucks and you even put your phone down on a table the power mat has actually put out a release saying oh we're actually going to support Qi now or well they actually they actually talked to um Chris Davies our friend our mutual friend from /ki that they're charging pads it's more of a the magnet in them is more of a universal it's it's kind of they can actually program it so I mean and I think that was the the right move by Starbucks I mean they supported PMA that is not the standard that I wanted them to support but everything they invested it in invested in I think is only a software update away from being cross platform across compatible Starbucks IKEA all the other places that have implemented these pads so I mean it's Powermat that we're dealing with here but I mean the public face of it is Starbucks unfortunately and there this is another great great tweet I know I keep saying we're gonna wrap this up but you guys are asking some phenomenal coming in at podcast at pocketnow.com do you realize that use email I mean if you want to reach out to us later but this is this is great for the live broadcast from at Godslayer Ron Ron the great iPhone 10 4k 60 frames per second video may not be as game-changing if the files are huge and run if you have been paying attention in iOS 11 the iPhone now will support HEV C h.265 video encoding probably to the chagrin guys like mr. mobile since he didn't like TVC on the the Huawei but our own playing the final good yeah well I'm your final caller sue but we have no guarantee on that because Apple doesn't like to make everything one unified ecosystem anymore so if you get HEV C on an iPhone and Final Cut takes a you know a couple updates before they properly support it that could be kind of a headache no no I mean they are they supported it starting from the summer I thing like I don't so I mean well yeah but it's still it's still a good step forward in any case and I think Apple should be applauded for that and in every way that it bugs me that Google has been you know slamming the brakes on all kind of video encoding for things like YouTube or Google photos that's the one that really pisses me off is that you don't get any notification from Google that your videos are not being backed up if their HEV see that is a major oversight on Google's part and Apple is probably the only company that can again that they can move the needle on this if you check out the iOS 11 betas now a 4k video recording on an iPhone is coming in at half the file size of h.264 I mean this is this is huge this is a really big deal when iPhones are gonna start with 64 gigabytes of storage and your 4k videos are half the size that they used to be there is no reason to not be shooting 4k now I mean literally bandwidth upload speeds consumption everything is on point this is the right time to do this if you haven't already been shooting 4k all of the videos of my daughter over the last two years are in 4k because I want to preserve those memories at the best possible quality I don't know why you might hate your kids maybe you only want to shoot your vision 20p that's fine maybe you've just got jerk kids but for those of us love our families and we want to preserve those memories we've moved over to 4k now if Apple's gonna cut our file sizes in half at the same quality that's win-win that's enormous and on that now that will do it for the pocket now weekly R stands for wrong and our hosts today we're Quan back now at some gadget guy 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