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iPad Air, Lumia 1520, and corporate trollery galore - Pocketnow Weekly 067

2013-10-24
breaking medical news some head cold blasts longer than one week but intrepid tech bloggers somehow find a way to soldier on elsewhere in the world nokia announces a duo of oversized smartphones and a new windows tablet all of which is almost immediately overshadowed by apple's new ipad announcement we'll talk about the results of that media coo plus some lingering galaxy gear talk and your listener mail on episode 06 7 out of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week audio podcasts from pocket now where we discuss smartphones tablets and the state of mobile technology in 2013 I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and today I'm joined by senior editor and apparently newly minted gunnar optiks enthusiast Taylor Martin hello sir hello Lou and yeah we're going to talk about that we're going to talk about that we've also got the grumpiest man alive that title given by default to any northeastern ER waiting in October for his furnace to be repaired Stephen shank hey man I am wearing so many layers at the moment now it's not even funny I was gonna say I'm liking like Korean are you reporting from inside of a comically oversized Ice Cube right now the worst thing is my hands are cold and I can't type the vibe gloves on that is the worst when is someone gonna come to fix your firebox birth tomorrow maybe oh dear god how are you gonna sleep tonight you do like a sleeping bag under your covers I have two comforters on my bed right now that's been my operating procedure so far I think it'll get me through the night oh god that's it's like my night last night I spent the night on the couch because i was so tired when I wrapped the galaxy gear videos that I couldn't get all the crap off my bed so I was like screw this i'm gonna sleep on the couch and i made the mistake of watching sleepers before I fell asleep so that was creepy my dream sound morbid yeah but that's nothing compared to the horror that is Taylor Martin's sheer audacity and ripping off my eyewear choice what's going on Taylor Martin tell us about how you how you got turned on to these gunnar optiks well I mean I'm not gonna use them in videos oh I wish the version we could be the gun Roger those the the yellow yes Peppa tighter spaces yeah tellers posted and put two and two together on that yeah so I had stared a computer for I don't know anywhere from eight to 14 hours a day yeah so no it's a smart choice I'm putting mine on right now if we were a video podcast you can see this but we're not and we're gonna be smashing here it's like the color makes it yes here in your eyes yeah it like it is supposed to reduce backlight driven eyeball strain because of staring at a is specifically staring at what a compact fluorescent or Evan not compact fluorescent but whatever the type of old yeah yeah you got to go to whatever theater you're at steal a couple gels cuz put them right over the street no that would be awesome where I could get one of those one of those ones that also makes it impossible to view your screen from anything but directly to polarize it or the old I know what you mean yeah yeah the CIA's they did it panels yes yes privacy screen right yeah those are just polarized right so they remove the polarized layer from the display and then you put polarize it through your glasses yeah how it works as well cool I was thinking about the ones where it's like a bunch of little slits and so if you get like five degrees off center you can't see you can't see all right right right the ones that are like an inch thicker than your actual monitor yeah well Taylor I want to see I want to know if you can wear those in one video I want to see what people say would you just do that we can we just roll the viewers for a second I can I can track the dealer lynnes do make me learn it send me one of your hats and I'll wear one of your hats one of my you can wear gunnar optiks nears that are we great yes all right I've been thinking about buying them for a while they're always always always on woot so I finally pulled the trigger on some if I don't like the most expensive they are expended pricey but if you go to pax east and buy them there are many attractive booth babes who can make you forget forget about your money because that's what happened to me I was that Paxton I was like walking around and OH lo and behold there's an attractive person trying to sell me something I'm going to be a sucker for it and then I bought them but I were my man were only 40 so dear God mine were not authority at all sure at CVS I can get like a six dollar period so does it yeah but then you're gonna look like a senior citizen driving on a Sunday afternoon you know and the downside to that is well actually no good call that is a really cool thing to do shall we go how much about your stuff mine were more more than yours shut up there isn't a sunglass show let's talk about let's talk about iOS cuz it was big news in the the the tech space to this week I was out of I was like at lunch because my grandparents are in town and I never see them so I was like I got to have lunch with these guys good luck with the apple thing how was the Hangout guys uh was bringing us an answer it's kind of boring yeah what did you do first hour Oh Stephen you were not on it well I was sitting there trying to do the news back then I was still on my crappy old computer where I cannot stream video and do anything else at the same time so I was in single operating mode and I'm sitting there wondering what are these guys talking about because it's it's Mac after Mac after Mac for the first 45 minutes or so well part of the time we were making fun of Adam doubt because his Tesla coil was back so when he spoke when he turned his mic on it was like we dear God really so that's what the commenters were complaining about in the in the feed because i was reading the comments last night of like what happened on this broadcast Adam need a frickin microphone man like worse than Steven needs a new mega relic Steven you sound pretty good considering you're using a karaoke revolution anyway anyway I'm sorry so but by and large besides the atom doubt microphone problems how how when we kind of answered questions and we talked about different tablets and what we were we made predictions and things like that I talked about the Moto X cuz people were asking me left and right what devices i was carrying and so we talked about different things and then when the announcement dropped it was kind of chaos for a few minutes and then let me dropped off here i mean it was kind of boring was it a was it like a euphoric moment or was it a disappointed moment because apple dropped two new ipads basically the ipad mini 2 or ipad mini with retina display which is exactly what it sounds like and the ipad air yeah so when they announced the ipad air my mind immediately raced are they going to release them and i've had pro what's good what's the mini is the many gonna be like the feather light what were they doing here no I didn't get damn like why why wouldn't they just called ipad mini the ipad air and the larger iPad iPad pro yeah it's a good because that would make that would make perfect sense but obviously they don't like to make sense so they didn't keep the ipad 3 or ipad 4 and they kept ipad 2 right no that's a whole different thing i actually don't mind the ipad air branding because the what was our biggest complaint about the ipad there's no number well no no i'm not bringing worse but for me that's bigger than about it but my biggest complaint about it was that it was heavy right like it was no or summoning wieldy and now they've solved that problem it's so thin yeah yeah i'm used to picking up my giant forearms anyway so used to being so butchered brother check out these pythons can we get some predictions going on when Apple is actually going to retire the ipad 2 well this thing the existing movie on like the item is a HTC hd2 of the apple line up soon so i was i was upset about that why kill the ipad 4 and not the ipad 2 like why do that and it kind of hit me um one there Tim Cook is a number pusher he's trying to cut costs so if you create something and keep something going from two years ago versus something from last year if it's a lot cheaper and they can make a higher profit margin because they're not dropping rising or yeah but but there's another reason it has a 30-pin connector so if somebody gets an iphone 4s which is still around iphone 5 isn't the 4s is so thinking an iphone 4s which ipad are they gonna go with are they gonna go with something they have to get a different connector for a different charger yes positioned they're gonna do that because nobody asked for a thought in a retail store but exactly so they shouldn't i'm not saying what they should do right what are they gonna do rio this has i think that the opposite I'm surprised they're not you know redesigning the ipad to keeping most of the hardware intact you like she / display and all that but giving it a lightning connector just to bringing it in line with everything else well you gotta still wonder how much a little right because you're spending on redesigned and then you're also losing money on old cable sales because you know people are still buying them things yeah I don't know when their profit margin is I know USB cable but I mean you know and in you know you know apples you know hurting for money so they're trying to cut every corner the count yeah sorry i was two seconds behind on your sarcasm there sorry for my late LOL so okay so but the ipad air has some really cool stuff i wrote a piece that i didn't link to in the description called like five things we love about it but it's got some cool stuff it's got enough cool stuff built into the design that i'm actually considering it over the ipad mini with retina display because right now i carry for so much how about stuff i have an ipad 3rd generation and it needs to be replaced not least of all because it's pocket nows and not mine so it needs to be replaced so that i can have an ipad but i like I i I've wanted the ipad mini for a long time and the ipad mini with retina display was very compelling to me but now that the new ipad the full-size one is so thin like you said stephen and so light i don't know i mean both rock basically the same internals too is that correct yeah it didn't last year if I murmurings correctly didn't the first mini have a previous gen SOC compared to the ipad before it did it had a a five instead of the a6 surprised to see them on the same level this time around it was a great move yeah so so it had that and it also had half the Bram and the terrible display so on many fronts it was May half-measure right yeah but still it was very very very interesting to a lot of people because well for the same reason when I picked it up in a retail story I didn't believe it was a real thing I was like wow this is so light it's unbelievable and it's you know small and portable and every time I Steve see one out in the real world still to this day I'm like oh man that's a cool little tablet you know because they don't get the same reaction from little androids no you don't I mean you do once you pick them up but God knows that's why I fell in love with the original Nexus 7 and i love i love this year's Nexus 7 I really owe you do I know you did see I don't like it stretched dimensions I don't like the little bit exactly such long Tennyson I thought I was the only one no no I'm very sensitive to design elements that do not matter at all the real world yeah me too actually after this I'm gonna fire up my nexus 7 give it some love because I haven't you go use that thing in a long time my old one my old one my first gen so let's let's get back talk about the iPads though there's there's other stuff here they've got their book coffee it's did I say a peds yes oh man it's in any pain laughs week I loved am a pads and a pet sounds like a creep at you because oh my god yes you know that some like manufacturer has already badged that up and is selling them at walgreens warehouse full 11 1999 yet oh cool Google is just gonna start trolling Apple that's what they should do instead of troubling us they should troll Apple yeah check out the new iPad Nexus a bed nexus 8 why are the speeds have been improved I don't know anything about my mo we should get geo Levi in the pockets actually we tried to this time around I mean our phones have that most of them right isn't it the diversity antenna pretty much for cellular except for Wi-Fi you know I was just about to start speculating with you based on two verses 5 gigahertz bands and then my mo and then AC versus a/b/g/n and AC is not included in the new iPads but really I'm going to get out of my depth very quickly since alphabet soup yeah then some snarky dude is going to call us jerks in the pod get in the comments and then I'm just gonna leave the internet forever it so i don't know i love 64-bit yeah it's because i get the same look with more gb's the the back speaking of jeebies and MP is the aft camera if we're going to be nautical about this on each of these i think is the same but the forward-facing camera has been augmented with a BSI sensor and I don't know if larger pixels is correct but it's low light performance any better yeah there's a larger one of them the face tanya the front facer larger pixels I don't know how big but better light sensitivity hopefully Taylor did you read my mind about the ipad the new iPads piece you should have read it I insulted you in it and I included a picture as well I'm reading it now yeah so I like that front facing cameras are being given a little bit of exposure here with these I know that nobody really nobody else really cares about these in some of our reviews of smartphones even like if it's a rushed week or if it's if we just did fall through the cracks we don't even test the front-facing camera sometimes and then we have to go back and like put that in after the fact because you just forget that there there it's amazing yeah if there was that earlier this year we saw a couple manufacturers really start bumping up the resolution on them but there was a couple with 5 megapixel front faces but since then yeah that one cares and doesn't like doesn't the surface do that isn't it the same camera component both fore and aft or am I wrong on that IDK yeah IDK either but I wage that Apple should or wager that Apple should actually just stop putting cameras on the back or put the crappy cameras on the back and the great cameras on the front wow man hates a rear cam how many people needs we're not gonna like I feel like it's 2011 again but we're not going to have this discussion about whether users with your tongue the way through the feeds yesterday afternoon I don't know what site it was but somebody or an editorial piece about why iPads being used as cameras is now acceptable by society that was nine to five I was nine two thousand nine to five yes let's just put it this way i tweeted during the event and I said stop promoting vertical video recorded on an idol now L that please that that is that is true I cannot disagree with you what if yeah but if I'm raz b 98 retweets are you serious how yeah it went crazy wow wow that's not what if the camera were a center-mounted component on tablets and smartphones what if like it was it was mounted such that no matter what orientation you used the device in actually don't even know center top eggs you mean Center center I mean center Center yeah exactly what if it was in what if it was mounted in the dead center of tablets with like a big ol like mechanical ball surrounding it so that no matter what orientation you held the tablet and it was always in landscape like if he wanted to take a portrait shop you couldn't that's what I want to scopic we balanced yeah I'm making the APA pad camera troll that's what I made that's my that's my next tablet you're not gonna be able to hold out or you can use some stanky imagine yes he goes over your shoulder Zack yeah this is great all right good we got a product venture capitalists email we pricing is nothing new on these things I don't know I it's we're talking we talked about thinner edit so maybe five millimeters what pricing on the mini is oh why because it's been bumped up a notch yeah seventy dollars no but hold up hold up all of the Ida had mini 89 yeah it doesn't it start at 399 yes it used to start at 329 oh that's the thing i was looking the wrong spot so yeah so they dropped the price you know thirty dollars you don't like that old model no i don't like it why don't you like it why don't you think it's warranted with a Retina display and the same internals as the ipad air why is that not warranted Tillerman because i'm gonna do this I'm going to compare it to the Nexus 7 even though we know that Nexus 7 is sold at or near cost the newness yes the new Nexus 7 they have a comparable display at least in pixels per inch so both of them have the ipad mini has 320 for the Nexus 7 has 323 they have 5 megapixel cameras on the back 1.2 on the front similar storage capacities at least for the first two models so 16 or 32 gigabytes the Nexus 7 has doubled the ram a Krait 300 cpu so that's quad-core krait 300 so that's part of the Snapdragon 600 but it's actually a Snapdragon s4 pro yeah yeah um Bluetooth cornpone alive I AC you get better specifications in a cheaper tablet it's not that it's just cheaper snow it's just cheaper was the fact that you can buy two of them almost for the price of one ipad mini yeah but with iOS you're not just paying for the hardware you're paying for the Apple experience the ecosystem the sucker people always put a premium on that yeah exactly and the end the build quality as well I mean I haven't held an ipad menu I've had many but I would wager that it can give that neck new nexus 7 a run for its money in terms of build oh I don't doubt that it absolutely can but some of you think more like if you hate it's worth more but not double yes like the the Nexus 7 is two hundred and thirty dollars the ipad is a hundred and seventy dollars more than that you know you can get actually the most expensive nexus 7 possible for cheaper than the price of the ipad mini the lowest capacity retina iPad Mini well that's a frickin custom custom made ad right there I'm sure though yeah if Google were a different kind of company i'm sure they would run that yeah i mean it you the most expensive Nexus 7 is three hundred and fifty dollars mm-hmm and the cheapest ipad mini with retina is 400 so it's 399 well let's i kind of want to talk a little bit about about the prospects for the ipad mini because i'm i wrote a news piece alongside this kind of stuff this was from actually just today just this morning that the ipad mini could see some supply constraints and when I first like opened up the piece based on the headline I was like why are they having component shortages with the thanks to the display but I'm like wait no it's not that uncommon or display resolution right so I was like what's going on but according to this is via 9to5 mac the original sources the telegraph according to it now and they were citing a KGI Securities analyst got this chain is long this new tablet who knows a guy who knows guy who talks about right it looks like Apple is apparently there's only a third of the units according to these people that Apple produced for the old iPad Mini last year so a third of the initial run so here in any reason why that might be no like I'm trying to like get around I'm trying to figure out where time it was was going with this really and I tried to do it before the show and I still couldn't I would have liked to have a tie my own but he's still covering the new shifts because Tony's sent me off this week so I don't know if this is if this is something as a result of demand anticipated demand being reduced I'm it makes a passing reference to the old iPad Mini having some supplies you guys remember that are not supply issues but demand issues actually where people were like not as many people were buying them as Apple expected kind of like what hasn't with the iphone 5c it was a compromise in so many ways it really was so uh i'm thinking i don't know i have no idea what to make it this may be the the higher price but i don't think people are going to care that much it's seventy dollars more than last year's model one a lot better at least on paper yeah i think it's we should make it clear here this is analyst estimates this isn't coming from like a rumor from you know someone who we can connect a supplier some of the manufacturers the ipad this is looking at the industry there might be some actual source is talking but these sort of rumors always make me feel a little iffy yeah now i agree i it's it's not it mean it's a bit more jumping off point for thinking about what what the ipad mini represents to applebees i still don't understand it like it seems like almost everyone who talks about the mini not a buyer not an owner but a an analyst a journalist of whatever is it sort of lukewarm on it and has been from the start I know we're only in the shot generation here but good I really liked mine I really did I mean the display was awful it was so bad um but but i liked it i like the form factor and I don't know maybe apples just not full on in the ipad mini I mean they seem excited about it you have to remember i Apple was also the company that said they would never make a 7-inch tablet yeah I mean this was granted 7.9 but yeah they said that if the Steve Jobs said if he ever made a 7-inch tablet you'd have to sell it with sandpaper so that's right yeah yeah so I don't know maybe they're like one foot in one foot out on it I don't know hmm i'm still waiting for them to finally go full-on widescreen for the tablets I mean it hasn't anyone we hold out on that I hate for three I really really do it just like I don't know I like everything like blown up Optimus of you every time now it's not okay it is well it is actually it is well it needs the rubber diem but every time that I pick up like a 16 by 9 or 16 to buy 10 tablet like I'm like I can't use this thing in portrait orientation and I imagined I could have a better time of it if maybe no I couldn't I mean if bezels were slowing down it would get even worse like and and then the manufacturer and the carrier usually takes the opportunity to brand the stupid thing so that you only want to use it in landscape because if you're holding it vertically the branding is sideways and that's annoying and then wait what it's like and you've got samsung put in a stupid home button on the long side like it's just I don't know I don't understand why 16 by 9 16 x 10 tablet still exists like we saw the zoom come out with it I remember still the first review photo i ever saw the motorola xoom being held in portrait and I'm like yeah what no no everything else is ever use I mean only ever used like 7-inch tablets in portrait like I don't think I've ever wanted to use a 10-inch tablet in portrait like when I use tablets in portrait it's generally when I'm reading in bed I'm lying on my back and I've got the tablet like on my chest if I'm tired of holding up its massive for pound weight in the case of them I'm gonna buy useless England landscape what's that I'm buying you some dumbbells no obviously I was asking I was asking Stephen because he was not regurgitated a curvy commenter that what about for a web browsing landscape as well no I do it in portrait generally portrayed okay yeah so like I so I don't know I don't know I'm just used to doing it that way probably good so I don't mind for by 3i think Apple shouldn't shouldn't leave it because I know everyone else is doing it I know it's more video friendly but no I think order 3 is SEO friendly no excuse me at sixteen by nine as well saying as i know it's 16 x 960 x 10 yeah i think the reason nobody really has ever tried to go down that path like android wives is is probably because the lawsuits against a I'm song and everybody you know you're how it looks like mine and it's probably a reason but but I i prefer 16-9 tablets I really do that there also might be an industry issue because the company's manufacturing these displays are making no giant sheets that are cut up into individual screens and when they start doing a lot of them widescreen it makes sense to keep going at that pattern for the rest of it this is why it's so hard to find if you want to get a computer monitor an LCD and four to three you're pretty out of luck unless you're going to overpay or find an older model because everyone it's just it's economies of scale you keep making more of these widescreen display so I can't believe Apple has been sticking to its guns it must be a huge pain to manufacture these yeah probably I'm totally cool with 69 except for on the tablet Z because it's like I could use this thing as a surfboard the bezel on this thing is enormous let's move on to I want to ask about the about speculation on iPads and stuff that hasn't really come to pass we're talking about Steven's poll which I really liked and this was a cool I wish I'd been in on this speculation fest but when it was happening because now it's just kind of academic until next year i guess but when i when apple released the iphone 5c i think there was this really cool mental leap that happened in some brains not mine because this was huge news to me that oh wow they could probably do a plastic ipad stephen was this like your idea or what was the deal here I'm and on the team not you know globally I mean it seemed like the obvious step to do you're making that change to the phone side of your devices why not least consider it for the tablet side in a real life though I am not so sure that it's something that Apple might actually be going down and we just mentioned the the screen dimensions clearly apple doesn't need to have its phone and tablets perfectly in alignment but if they want it to go with plastic there's a number of benefits they might get we could see a slightly cheaper device maybe something more durable I don't think it would help much with weight because I mean Apple is great at manufacturing aluminum so that its strong thin light right but I mean it's usually a chip or easily chipped yeah I feel like classic and more durable it could take a scratch but it's not gonna get dinged up quite so easily I don't know yeah well I'm holding the iphone 5c now and I mean it's it's a heavy bc which which I like because when your when your plastic you want to offset that but I don't think it's like the end cost that would be the real benefit to Apple is it sits would be in profit margins again you know I've been making a plastic ipad I imagined they could apply some of the same lessons they learned from this 5c which I feel like carrying around in its current state I mean I'm I don't know if I would deal with this on a tablet though i'm not i'm really really on the fence about this so i had to wonder why not do like the / see instead of still selling last year's ipad repackage the hardware in a plastic easier to produce higher margin case and then sell that was the lower j I kind of understand why and in it's actually coming to me after doing this comparison with the note 8 10 and the note 10.1 every pretty much every samsung tablet to date minus the nexus 10 and now the 10.1 the note 10.1 has been hyper blaze and that is absolutely the worst thing it's not just because we hate hyper glaze but it makes the tablet slick and generally hard to hold and kind of slimy the end it feels like utter crap its nest now I don't yeah I don't like the 5c I went to a store that helped one I don't like the finish on it don't like slick finish anything really and that that's I think part of the same thing is the NIF own that fits in your hand is one thing something that's going to require two hands to hold and be a little heavier with a spare pair that with you know a slick coating that's not a good combination could always go the note 3 route give it some texture to it didn't catch an apple doing that like we get our iPad yeah after just abandoning all that skeuomorphism in iOS yeah I think that's probably this evidence that Apple is not fully behind the the idea of going plastic with the 5c I'm not saying that they're going to change course on the phone I'm saying that if they were really going to jump into this thing with with tooth with both feet why not have a line of multicolored plastic iPads alongside their multicolored plastic iPhones and then call that the entire low end of the line up you know I mean if they're not doing that then why then does that mean that next year we might not see the 5c again we might see something very different I don't think so i think is like i was saying Apple isn't that committed to having a unified look for its products anymore I feel like it's getting more comfortable loosening up hmm what did the poll say what were the world of the poll results from our readers the question was would you buy a plastic iPad number one response what sorry I should send everyone you know yeah well the number one response that wasn't on the pole which is reflected in the comments is what would I ever consider anything from crapple anyway which is of course the most mature and awesome way to look at anything but the of the poles that were presented you know if I wanted a plastic tablet I'd get an android forty-eight percent of respondents hmm said that it's our massive sample size and then this is a first runner-up yeah if it's cheap enough and the hardware still decent sure so yes and no that's interesting I mean I expected there to be a much wider no gap here you know and the devil I didn't seem to respond to price besides any other possible benefit that plastic might bring yeah I like that you presented an option for ruggedized build of plastic translates to a ruggedized build and sign me up i mean yeah man i had to make sure that uh Steven rip this is not you Michael after I saw that the recognized vid yeah yeah I am obsessed with rugged phones um I I voted for the cheap enough hardware it cheap enough if at the hardware still decent but that's not ever gonna happen because Apple we we've learned Apple is not making plastic devices to make them cheaper they're cheaper models are still there old models ya know it's what I was just saying yeah it's its profit margin not end cost well that's the apple news I want to move on to windows but I want to ask you guys if you are at all titillated by other of these units well I was planning on possibly buying the air but i'm reviewing it anyway so i'll buy it anyway okay all right what do I used to you know they're nice enough I'm definitely impressed specifically with the the mini and the hardware inside there but iOS is just a non-starter for me so even I or seven even new flat colorful iOS 7 I can't get past the app issues man yeah yeah I got you i understand i am sort of in the same boat but the mini the mini continues to entice me it just has that magic so i'll tell you what because what what what app issues can't cite load oh you okay okay uh for me it's the grid for me it's the UI I oh they're like iOS 7 but I can't stand that landing page all the time but we all know this this all old news I'm gonna be reviewing the Oh am I not gonna I don't know who's reviewing the ipad mini do we know do we know this you are you oh yay okay i'm reviewing the Yarnell excellent so I'm revealing the ipad mini so I'm very excited to see it and we'll we'll get to it there's other stuff to get to though and it's time we moved on to windows Who am at nokia world we're very well represent I can't get over this like I know that this is the the rule of the day but companies just trashing each other in terms of event scheduling just cracks me up nokia am I wrong on this did nokia have nokia world scheduled for like weeks and weeks in advance yeah for the apple event we got official confirmation an apple yeah and so nokia world was always scheduled for october or whatever it was I don't think Nokia was purposely or even if it wasn't if we they had planned in advance I don't think that this is at all intended to cram a lot of events into the one day to steal attention from the other guys cuz the Nokia thing was at three in the morning here no no I some what I'm saying I'm saying that Nokia had this thing planned out and they had it all set in their calendar and then Apple came because these events have done the same day the ipad announcement happened listeners if you're not aware happened on the same exact day as nokia world where they announced all their stuff and apple i would totally believe Apple did that on purpose oh yeah really yeah they're like it haha even though its own totally unnecessary it's kind of like no competition later it's kind of like that like the big like steroid using 11th grader like going to the playground to find the sort of handicapped fourth grader and then kicking him in the face right and not the school has too many grades in what ways well as wears a small town you understand okay but you know I got out of fourth grade it's all right but no the thing is like it's it not that I obviously I'm a giant fan of Nokia and I that analogy is not perfect but they're really not a threat to Apple at this moment I don't think right not really well I'm on the low end yeah on the low end yeah 520 is yeah but doesn't care about the low end right not if not if you hear them tell it but so they care nothing about it anyway you don't care it wouldn't know oh what a little are using is now so anyway I thought that bit of corporate troller II was was awesome this nokia world event happened in Abu Dhabi the to everyone who complained that you didn't see sufficient coverage from us guys we didn't go to Abu Dhabi so sorry don't know what you want us to do we're going to be reviewing the the Lumia 1520 the 1320 is going to be announced for Europe it released in europe and asia so we're not going to cover that probably unless we are able to then the 2520 tablet was now Saul these three devices were announced at once I can't I can't say it any other way we would have loved to have been there right Taylor sure I would very much like to be there in lovely uh was the United Arab Emirates and now that my heat is what it is because it must be like what 95 degrees right now I'm sure is pretty nice yeah yeah I'd love to have gone to Abu Dhabi but Nokia event was cool i guess i would have loved a garden 10 okie event to see them launched their first tablet to see them launched their first phablet i feel like it would have been dwindling yeah by the end result by the by the product well we didn't get we were supposed to be all this other stuff the we didn't see that blue music were there and then the listen if that ipod aping music player got cancelled more power to him because come on guys it's not the year for that mmm still I was hoping to see a lot more there was good stuff don't get me wrong I just we had such high expectations going in this was going to be like opening up the you know nokia treasure trove oh do we even get the treasure tag Oh announce that mm-hmm I don't know if they did did they mmm I didn't hear anything about that but no kids bag it was pictured alongside the Lumia 1520 right right so maybe it's gonna come out another week or two yeah no it's not it doesn't look like it's been really talked about the press renders out there it's leaks but they didn't I don't think they talked about it anyway oh so the 15 20 what is it it's a big ol windows phone phablet and I just watched the official nokia conversations hands on of this device a couple hours before coming on the air a couple minutes whatever and man this thing looks cool I mean I didn't expect to be jazzed on it but it's got basically down rated specs from the 1020 in terms of the camera we're looking at a 20-megapixel ultrapixel 20-megapixel ultra pic to know that's HTC a 20-megapixel pure of you who shooter I was wondering where you were going with that yeah so as I'm and ultra pickles yeah it's it's got a Tony megapixel PureView it sensor that is optically stabilized without for some reason they've managed to do this without incorporating the big ol protruding Oreo from the 1020 it's a BS it looks like it has a wart on the back at least from this angle it's way smaller it's like the camera lens on the 925 tomato well it just reminds me in the back at the note 8.0 which looks like it just has this nasty oh yeah no it's now this is way different this is like different in an okiya way I like it better but you know it's different cuz I say it's different the this one left has gotten a considerable upgrade it's 1080p I believe a first in the Windows Phone space and as a result of gdr3 sensing that it's on a 1080p display you get an extra row of home screen live tiles and remember they're saying it's not the pixel that's the size that they're going for oh it is ok it's not the resolution it's the it's the display size which i believe is six inches on the mark yes it is yes so that's substantial mm-hmm and if you don't two bigs on its well here's the thing here's the thing i don't think it's too big i think i think it's too big in the same way the galaxy mega is too big i don't think it's too big in the same way that one max is too big in that I think this space is used more effectively by Windows Phone than it is by stock Android or skinned a droid except for Samsung's implementation which uses split screen which instantly adds more value so yeah it's very long sense but it was crudos phones dense and it works well things this size it does you pack enough live tiles into into an area that you don't have to scroll as much you can just kind of did the glanceable dream can be realized maybe not in the way that Microsoft first intended hit three years with the way you said that sounded awesome the glanceable dream can't even realize yeah it's like a industrials real radio video from 1955 rentable dream there I was getting more of like a like a I don't know a 17th century like speech ah ok inspirational the glanceable dream it does sound like a hot air balloon doesn't it so anyway there's there's a lot of cool stuff on earth wireless charging has been integrate once again thankfully because the sleds just didn't work in my experience on the 1020 we've got a bunch of different colors on this unit and it's coming the United States it's going to be an ATT exclusive here from what everything I understand which when I read I instantly fell down in shock and surprise and you know I was I was taken aback weren't you Steven it's totally unexpected from Nokia AT&T seriously really they've never had a tight relationship in the past but i don't i don't know say what do you guys think it's as Taylor thinks it's too vague Steven do you think this is too big or do you think this is a like a step on the road to visiting with Artie yeah i think it's it's not the best phone perhaps but we really need to get Windows Phone moving on up into larger spaces or kill a party or something microsoft needs to solve this mid-sized tablet problem and we're getting those cheaper the little the full eight tablets and that's a good step but i think it really needs to decide what to do about Windows Phone on this larger scale is it going to keep on moving it up are we ever gonna see a 7-inch windows phone-based device it yeah this is a necessary in the middle step yeah well I mean this phone at 5.5 might have been a little better i'm kind of jaded towards super big phones and that's just that's how it's gonna be until I love the mega I don't understand how you can say that because you really like the mega I liked the mega i love the note 8.8 point of it the note 3 um well look at education this this week this week has been on only good but yeah this thing just based on the 1020 which I still carry the bezels on that thing just make it so tall and that's by looking at this that's what I'm feeling is just it makes me think of this e ultra because that thing just had enormous bezels on the top and bottom and when you put it in your pocket and sit down and jab you and poke you and yeah so that that's what I'm afraid of I mean I want to get one in my hands and see what it's like but I also think that physically if it's big like it if its physical footprint is larger than the note 3 I want nothing to do with it I'm standing by that I said it and I'm standing by maybe it's just it's some phones you just don't put in your pants pockets you have to have a bag or a jacket or something and I don't like a stick yeah looks like it oh yeah yeah I know I I can't I can't disagree with you Taylor I am also excited to see this I read something interesting today and this was um I think this was a story on the tech block or something like that and there was a wonderful quote about how how the tech media reports on tech and basically the central premise of this piece was tech journalism needs to move beyond just Hawking the latest bright and shiny thing because it's new and exciting and it's true pray tell what should we be covering then the oh no no we should cover it i don't think that's the thing but i think that i think we have a problem in that industry wide review scores are higher than they should be insights that still do review scores in sites that don't do review scores i think reviews are too generous i don't think anyone is harsh enough and when i came aboard here i was excited about being harsher but there's a very real there's there's it's not it's not really bias because its platform agnostic it happens to every single device whether you know from iOS to blackberry even you know things come in and they're new so they have this instant kind of cachet this this instant goo well this is a lure this novelty yes yes and if you're not careful that can creep into the end product of the review and suddenly you're putting suddenly you look at you you're at your average review score thing and it's like wow I don't go below a seven like ever why is that and because the time you do you get absolutely reamed by everyone literally annihilated right we're not going to review the really really awful phones out there exactly what there's a new kind of years yeah you kind of stomp on your relationships then people like me why'd you review this solo that's the plan right like it was like it's not great a bad review is is the most work ever because you get slammed in the comments you have to moderate those more heavily and then you have to explain to the p our companies for the manufacturers why you gave it a bad review and then they offer to send you another unit which is like okay great and then you have to read that unit more often than not it's still crap because you weren't wrong and then you have to write a piece that says did we review a bad unit nope you know it's like and the noodle is happy yeah I don't know so we're gonna we're gonna we're going to move on this this is a bigger question this is a bigger issue that I want to cover in depth more specifically with in terms of review scores we've talked about it a lot we talked about a lot around the g2 the whole atmosphere is it's just kind of poisoned in every direction but but ya know the reason but the reason I bring it up is because this thing this 1520 is going to land in my inbox or yours or anybody's and you know I got it I'm touching my nose not it see I would love I would love to review it but the thing is I'm gonna see the great the greatness in it but it's it's so difficult to couch the the negatives in terms that that can be accepted both by normal people and by people who are like listen I value a large screen to device and just because it's not right for everyone doesn't mean this thing deserves to get kicked and that's true right yeah yeah like okay so the zeal for review I gave it a decent review it's not a bad phone but I scored it lower because it's not ideal for everyone it's not this is the problem but with scores because there's no uniformity there we sat last with our little matrix of the bottomless cord for you bus goes only to make sense just so much flexibility you can have there and still have the information be useful exactly yeah so so actually you're going to score something differently if you see a display and you might give that display a seven I might give it an a5 and Brandon might give it a two you know so it's there is always going to be some subjectivity to number scores because we all wait things different and we've parlayed that into an advantage like if you come read pocket now listeners who believe it or not we are still talking to you and not just amongst ourselves on the air on the pocket at weekly if you come to a pocket now you'll notice that we have nine guys with completely different opinions and we don't we generally don't present anything as the site's opinion but unfortunately one of the only areas we do that is reviews where it makes no sense to do it so I think what we're saying is I there are things I would like to change about the way we do reviews it's funny we're having we would like to change that yeah they're things everyone on the sighting be every time I write but but but but remember we all different opinions I don't want to speak for you Taylor no but here's the thing it's weird that we're having this conversation on a week where we actually haven't posted any reviews and we have the galaxy gear is a de facto review we'll talk about that in a second but let's uh let's move on from the 1520 I think maybe that topic got a little short change this week I'm sorry there's just not a lot to talk about its giant screened nokia windows phone with another column of tiles which I'm excited about a camera that seems pretty epic they've combined the smart cam and the pro cam into one app which was overdue should have been done from the beginning and that's awesome hopefully they've also taken the lag out of the pro cam app on the initial startup and what about white balance can they fix that oh yeah I'm sure they can I'm sure they can if not actually motorola can make you black update if Motorola can make the Moto X camera passable from awful then you can do anything let's talk I don't wanna talk about the 1320 that's been announced for Europe and Asia a boom it's out there it'll be whatever it'll be the 625 for the larger form factor and the 2520 guys I don't know what to make of this someone talked about this thing because I just don't care about a Windows RT device tell me why I'm wrong ah you're right well then it's just somebody tweeted me yesterday no like you guys don't give RT enough credit and this is your right whatever tacos we give it exactly the know the amount of credit it deserves Dewey though yes I don't know I broke something last night there were some commenters coming on I mention something about limited functionality and someone really took issue with that racing I'm sorry it's not that you know you can't get online with it you can't you know download apps it's just when you had can do so much more with a full Windows 8 tablet you can't help but CRT in terms of what it doesn't do yes that's a solid point now yes and when you compare even RT to Android or iOS so that I've had you have much broader ecosystems there so mark it's here but that is the same problem the windows phone well you know not no it's not cuz window there's a much more robust ecosystem then but then RT sure but I mean compare it to deed me earlier i was asking yeah it's no longer as big a problem as a specially with we got to mention it here especially with instagram and vine coming to the platform and that should have been a separate topic on this podcast but I know that everyone knows what what our opinion is here right I'm a frickin fanboy for Instagram i think it's great news it's awesome vine I don't really care about but I know millions of people do so that's awesome for the platform those that is a massive massive win and the unfortunate part of it and I'm sorry guys I know we'll get back to the RT in a second here but did them unfortunate part of it is that I i do see this thing in the press where it's like I see more stories about the fact that it took three years for windows phone to get instagram then I do that Windows Phone is finally getting Instagram and by the way it had it with six tagged in a defective sense but III don't act great 6ag is outstanding but to have the stock app conveys a legitimacy upon the platform where no longer can people just kind of out and out dismiss windows phone and say no well you know cuz it doesn't even have Instagram okay how can I take it seriously you know well now it's just you know not going to have I don't know cut the rope or something I don't know if it's not what happens another yeah but my point with Windows RT is that when you compare it to what it can do compared to you know Android and iOS or even windows 8 pro it's kind of in the middle without an ecosystem it's kind of out there by itself but it's trying to appeal and come off as sort of windows 8 pro you know it's coming off that's what Microsoft i think is kind of banking on hey this is windows in a lighter form but you can still do everything with it now remember they are downplaying downplaying the RT in the branding and they're downplaying the desktop yeah exactly that that's that's kind of a point like they're trying to not harp on that too much and say hey it's a cheaper windows thing but it's it's tippy fair and Microsoft's been downplaying the desktop side to Windows 8 as well it really wants you using this you know touch-based Metro interface sure sure it does and which is not well suited for interaction with a mouse so that's why they have to kind of straddle that line there and that's a whole different mess but I wasn't just uh this should just integrate leap motion yeah I want to keep them gonna find you forget that by the way Taylor that ever get out I yeah I plugged it up to my computer last weekend like I got it months ago and never used it so you can't really do much with it you can play games and about five minutes after playing cut the rope with it you want to pull your hair out so it's it's awesome and what it will be able to do what it can do right now is what i did download some plugins or apps for my mac i'm so there i don't so i can use gestures on my desktop school I can control my computer with my hands floating in the air is it be sure to visit desktop now for that News desktop now calm vaccinating desktop discussion who gives you the keeping us on track it's no problem no problem so now that we're at 55 minutes and I've just spent some time editing out those swear words the Taylor Martin made me use an anger what are we gonna do about this 2520 what's gonna happen why did nokia release it I don't know this thing when it was leaked I was like BS no way are they going to waste their time on a Windows RT tablet what are they thinking but there's gotta be some actus Ilan showed what I'm kidney what if we're seeing nokia surface tablets a year from now what if this was like how they sort of ease themselves into that that could well be let's talk about what it what it contains 1080p display it's 10 inches 615 its brightness that's awesome it's got LTE built-in it runs on a snapdragon 800 did this surprise anyone else I didn't know it's supposed to read that so so I'm a little surprised just because I just read that i'm pretty sure it's what the rumors thought it was gonna do for a while but i just i don't know maybe it's it's because of my knowledge steeply drops off as we approach the crossover category but I never pictured Windows RT is being able to run on a Snapdragon 800 I I don't know why I just thought it was too resource-intensive as this kind of faux desktop OS but Microsoft has some weird thing with SOC s and it tablet OEM wasn't it like assigning a certain manufacturers chips to each om and they could only use those really last year i believe i heard this like samsung had to only use kind of Qualcomm and someone else could only use taig rose really I don't know they have weird control issues fascinating yeah I don't maybe could be of about this this is they stood in one room and they drew straws alright well whoever got a car we got the short straw this is a there's a 6.7 megapixel rear camera interesting from Nokia it's got Zeiss optics I'm sure it'll be the best tablet camera we've ever seen a 2-megapixel front-facing mega milliamp hour battery fairly standard and a right that's the exciting thing it's got Qualcomm quick charge technology so you need to use a special plug for it but it will you it will leverage the quick charge capabilities of the 800 SOC so that's cool and it retails for 499 unsubsidized and it has it also comes with an external sub woofer right no kidding know that that's the HTC One max oh sorry uh Wow yeah so I don't and then it's got $150 keyboard accessory for it so I don't know I just I just didn't think that this would happen so I wonder if it would have happened if it weren't for the pending acquisition it seems to me that if you want to get into the tablet game I I I just windows RT is not the way though not the way to do it but maybe maybe we're wrong maybe we're being very short-sighted maybe RT is in fact uh-huh maybe they make this boot with android shut your room yeah yeah that'll that'll solve everything so I'm confused I'm interested but I'm confused and I'm hopeful that we will review this tablet but we will have to see if well I'll do it just not if it's white if they send me a white one I will send it back send it to me ladies it's in a white one I will send it back in the in the last bit of absolutely nokia dominated windows news this week that we cover anyway nokia has committed a or achieved an awesome PR coup it Stephen can you tell the story please okay so there was this filmmaker put together a clip he went down to people getting in line for the iphone 5s last month and I'm going to talk with them about why they were there if they really they were there because they just felt like this is the thing that Apple fans do if they were really enthused about it and it kind of the tone to it wasn't the most positive thing it was sort of people getting caught up and fanned them maybe not understanding why and so he published this and it got some nice traction online but then Apple stumbled across it they took the video portion of it they repurposed it then for their own uses internally they sped it up they added some little light-hearted music and they were overlaying all the great headlines that people were saying about the 5s so it changed from a slightly critical piece to about the released something showing how dedicated Apple fans are and Apple hit another one out of the park with this and so it made the rounds at Apple internally and I don't know if they published it or just word leaked and it got out that not only did they you know take this guy's work and completely change the spirit of it but they took his name off it in the process and we're giving him any credit for it um so he's a nice tat as it was yeah that's the guys name and the Nokia got wind of this after the story was out and they thought that they would you know try to get some good PR so they sent him a 1020 a great phone to use it you're going to be shooting video I think I'm more impressed by the awesome case they put it in it looks like a relic or dislike mini Pelican case that's like yellow on the outside black throw that off an airplane it'll land fine good and uh and a note and the note says casey we know it sucks when you have your ideas ripped off stay original casey and we hope you'll consider capturing some new moments on this if you're into it let's do something together surely your friend nokia it's so our straight yes awesome i love this like i mean it's it's such a cool interesting way of countering of taking advantage of somebody else's bad PR and playing into an existing marketing scheme that they were using which is like when the iphone 5c was announced nokia was all like hey Apple thanks for thanks for the compliment we appreciate your invitation you know like that was lame yeah that was stupid but this plays into it in a much cooler way in a way that's guaranteed to go you know for lack of a better term go viral on the other side it's like a positive attack ad it's you're playing it's already a polite it has a progressive yeah it was passive aggressive way to do something it's so cool I like it I i really like i want to shake the hand of the person that came up with this this this move so i'm very interested to see I'm gonna now follow casey a nice tat on twitter and i'm very interested to see what what happens actually started following him about two or three weeks ago so it was kind of oh really cuz i saw yes all that unfolded i saw when he got upset because apple stole it oh so I'm tweeting a my car hmm interesting well Apple is not the only company to have suffered some theft due to have to have committed some theft it has also suffered a lot from theft and that came to my attention in the Android part of my week when I was reviewing the galaxy gear smartwatch which I love and can find a lot of areas to improve and that's encapsulated in two videos we'll talk about that in a second but what I'm talking about is guys you know the commercial we've all been drooling over the two commercials about the galaxy gear right where Samsung is like hey remember all these smart watches from your childhood check it out now you can have one you know this is this is one of those moments where you shouldn't speak for me because I wasn't drooling over either I wasn't born from like for the times that all those things they were referencing like I was I was not even a thought at that point I'm not familiar with us what do they have like a smart shoe phone would you ever gadget wow you look Tracy what are we talking about yeah yes that's exactly right they had all of that and Jetsons phone the Star Trek communicator watches and all that kind of stuff it was all strung together in a very well done nostalgic commercial that ended with now it's here and there's a galaxy gear it's the next big thing in la Loba but it was the best Samsung commercial it was the best commercial Samsung ever did and it's backed by like a really hip LCD soundsystem song like it's really really excellent and I loved it and I thought it was a turning point for samsung and it might it may still be because I've always hated their advertisements and found them unfunny and stupid and lame and plotting and cold cloying and stupid so I love these new ones so they were unmoving to me well that's it working that's interesting let's let's just not be friends and you have it i'll get you Dunkin Donuts coffee you have no heart sir i have my own dunkin donuts it's right next to me but here's mine here's the thing um someone tweeted about this someone who writes for a design blog tweeted a tweet that went something like I've never seen such a shameless ripoff I'm disgusted and like linked to the Samsung Galaxy gear commercials and I'm like I would want what are you talking about a while and then he linked to it wasn't a piece he wrote it was just like a blog post with that video alongside a five or six year old video six years I guess at this point advertising the first iphone do you guys remember the first iPhones hello spot when it was a TV spot it was about 30 seconds for 60 seconds depending and it was the exact same thing just with people not talking on their watches but people from the last 50 or 60 years of TV and film picking up a phone and saying hello you don't remember this that sounds vaguely familiar right I was like it was like eight years old at the time I don't know if you watch if you might even remind me that we only need to have old dudes on the show from now on that a crotchety more crotchety we got to give the young people there on the table okay that's thanks get off my lawn but if you watch the apple commercial alongside the galaxy gear commercial like the tone is exactly the same and like I would be surprised if the cuts if the length of the cuts was exactly the same it's unbelievable I want to say that that's been done before though I can't think of any specific instance but it seems like it's the general sort of true like a car manufacturer must have done something exactly like that and now the new the Chevy altima right yeah at some point everything is a copyright there's got to be something that predates the apple commercial that totally nullifies this yeah right ultimately it doesn't but chains are both mobile companies and they aren't you and if their mobile companies that have historically been accused of copying each other yeah I can say this i just watched that hello iphone commercial yeah and I can relate more to that of course what I don't think you know the big lebowski I don't your lender and things that I can vote with chili of the most highly over rated films in the history of the cinema I'm sorry I'm shut your mouth about zulan no I can't it's not funny I don't get it it's not funny to me I don't understand maybe you're too old and big lebowski like I don't know after being told it was awesome for six years I finally watched it one night I'm like yeah I mean it's fine I mean John Goodman's you know big and angry that's cool anyway the galaxy Gear's pulp fiction well pulp fiction is pretty excellent but I don't like when a tarantino otherwise but anyway I know right we're all gonna have a big artistic kerfuffle on the podcast but not now because we need to talk about the galaxy gear specifically dudes related to what we were talking about before with regard to our review structure and stuff this was something where we took an opportunity to do something different I didn't want to just do a review because we were late because we weren't in the early seating batch of galaxies years so we had to wait for a second wave and thanks to our friends at AT&T we got one and I was like no we're what what are we like two weeks beyond the first reviews landing I'm not gonna we're not just going to do another review so we decided to split them up and we have two videos up five awesome things about the galaxy gear five awful things about the galaxy gear it's also a fun little experiment to see which one gets viewed more do you guys want to piss like that to tip jars yeah what what happened to tip jars and go to a coffee shop you vote for something by that happened to her too I thought that was like it love is like a Boston thing how cool ya know it's exactly like that i want to see i guarantee you that that the awful one gets watched like five times more because people love drama yes probably what do you thi know it has more views does it have more views right now it does they have similar amounts of likes and dislikes but the the awful ones has about a hundred more views and about almost two hundred probably 70 more comments I would guess people it's coming that way better anyway so that's a fun experiment go watch those also and this will I think be the last bit of pocket now insider esque type stuff people are mind-blowing Lee committed to having us cover the galaxy gear as it compares to the sony smartwatch 2 well I'm trying not to air a lot of our dirty laundry and I'm not going to do that but guys the the simple truth of it is that we didn't get a smart wish to the review we don't have a very solid relationship with Sony despite our best efforts so we don't have one if we don't have a review unit we have to go buy one and we can only buy so many units a month because we're not massive so I'm sorry we haven't reviewed the SmartWatch 2 yet I would love to I love watches I'm a geek for smartwatches I would like to get one but I can't right now so we will try to do you think what you need to do is to get tripod with you go to like a best buy or something it's care about an aisle before exactly right like if I if this was a different situation if we were like you know if it was just me and I was Captain two phones calm and you know it was like 2 2010 that's what I would do I'd like sneak into a best buy and be like hey guys this is a little hands on the list no sony smartwatch 2 it's pretty cool no i don't need any help thank you it's really it's got buttons on the side and you know you know we're not doing that we're not doing that so um we'll do a sickly but basically the comments to what you just said are gonna be you don't have a great relationship with Sony because you're biased against its own that's right that's exactly what's good actly what's gonna happen yes yes yes it's true we're not we have explained this million times anyway so that's as I promised that will be our last bit of kind of meta the galaxy s4 has sold 40 million and six months are all of us on the air very surprised by this metric did we think this thing was going to be a big flop now we know we did not andrea was going to be bigger than the s3 so well yes par for the course exactly exactly despite the fact that I think I don't think they're hitting the numbers that they thought they were going to hit I have zero to back that up but Stephen are you seeing anything on the in the news side but yeah that's what all these rumors about an early galaxy s5 launcher based upon us right way talking they're good but not great so they want to rush this one out of the gate right right right that makes sense hey this was not going to as good as we thought it would so let's push this one out early and dead send out an unfinished product suite that sound like a good idea I'm gonna go ahead and sign that one yeah do it good luck and you know what let's use that guy's cross your eyes to zoom feature cuz that one's something forgot about that oh let's see than that i've been using the galaxy gear has required me to use a galaxy note 3 of course the past week and i have been i've been very happy to use the black one as we talked about with Marquez last week it's been really cool to like use the softer better feeling one in the hand and I'll take the opportunity got wet cement good that was actually me did you sinned really the verizon one in my way no no no I didn't do that thanks guy I've been asking the ladies in the office I'm like hey have you got a package for me they're like no I'm fire in its later this week you have a package for me I'm sorry this week has been atrocious I apologize um it'll go out to you soon we'll all have a galaxy notes again and it'll be great I don't know if you know except for Steven but see what you like your idea do I have the since you via first one yet I'll send you the note 10.1 know what did I do to you it's actually nice if it had an Exynos it didn't have the eggs in oside be a hundred times better but if some butts were candy and nuts and read for three with Sense 5.5 starts hitting HDC ones is the next bit of news on the rundown this is important because a formerly you can only get sense 5.5 with its blinkfeed and gallery enhancements on the one max which is not only less popular going to be less popular than the one probably but it's also going to be do not too late and its availability but it's you can get a one right now and you can't get a one max right now so blah blah blah blah blah the sense 5.5 update will make you happy if you have an HTC one you want to download this as soon as you can carrier testing obviously has to go through and some of this stuff but the enhancements that you can see in the one max review are really really cool and they're especially cool on the one so get it you know this render for that that article the blue HTC one that render looks beautiful well the way Tracy one is a beautiful phone I saw it in person I didn't like it what you a strange person why didn't you like it I don't know this looks more like baby blue than than the one english doubt in person it's it's me than the red one the red one is more brilliant but the de pluie one is X get the blue one looks like Duke Blue in person though do cool yeah Duke Blue what the hell is Duke Oh Duke like Duke University yeah the whole lotta things down super Carolina oh yeah that it's a big rivalry here in North Carolina I mean I see you it's like what a John Wayne like wear a lot of boys I'm just thinking like a new look and that didn't make any sense oh yeah man so let's wrap it up and throw the flu in the toilets on the airplanes that stuff oh that's how yeah that's a gross blue that's not a fun blue like a barbershop hair juice or the comb juice blue oh yeah oh I know what you're talking about the bar beside bar besides mmm what are we doing here all right let's close it out on the news and HTC android HTC amazon smartphone the smartphone family that is rumored to be in development by HTC for amazon is a bad idea says pundit stephen shank of pocketnow.com tell us why Stephen well I just feel like it's HTC falling back on its old habits back in Windows Mobile days when it was churning out plenty of devices for other people but wasn't making much of a name for itself and it's grown a lot since then and I'm worried that these you know troubled times it's seeing or sort of causing it to go back to its safety net and I don't think that a lot of people were agreeing with me based on with the comments I saw they think that HTC just getting any business at all could help ensure it will keep the company going and maybe that will then allow it to a year from now put more resources on its own phones or maybe it's big enough that it can do two things at once it can had its head and drop its tummy without falling over I just shank guy I could doing his job better than he could though you know first we saw the facebook phone and now this it's like HTC's losing its HTC pneus I wanted to ask some questions about the HTC first at HTC frequencies and I actually didn't didn't get to we didn't talk about it at all but um so who's responsible for that do you know I'm gonna miss that form do you know who does carry well tell her that's why I bring it up you know who's carrying one was uh was rich brown from phonescoop and I he was nice enough to let me borrow it and they're doing a car ride at one point for like a couple minutes I was like my god this thing feels great it's a great little phone it is it's like that sees Moto X it will I just gonna say that yes yeah so is I want one like I want to do it'll engine that good they're so nice you know there were made fun of me you made fun of me I shared attributes as I'd like no but then I came on the podcast I remember this I came on the podcast I was like Taylor I apologize cuz I went to an AT&T store and handled that first it's cool but even then it had a stupid cradle on you know the stupid retail anti-theft things I didn't get to actually hold one hold one and then I held the one in London I was like oh my god it's so cool I even like the circle on it yeah the circles even close I like the buttons you get it you disable facebook home and you call it a day and you had a stock android phone and it's great yeah like another thing that wasn't great on there was the camera and it wasn't bad for a 5 megapixel camera or four I can't remember i think it's five probably five it wasn't bad like it would take decent shots that low light was terrible but you know it i would say that it actually has a comparable camera to the Moto X like like I would carry them first I would it was a good phone we should all just be just turn-turn like nouveau hipster and every one of the puzzle now team should get an HTC first like that should be the official pocketnow team phone and that because yes that would get him puckett now branded because yeah yeah we need to get a skin on him yeah all right so that's cool so Stephen I I like your your perspective I understand i like i like Stevens pieces because he frequently put stuff in context that I and sees things from a perspective i ordinarily wouldn't and I really like that I I know exactly where you're coming from I used to sell phones back when HTC was making them for other people and I was like man these guys are going to be great if they ever just break out on their own and do their own thing and then they were for a couple years and now they're still great but nobody buys them so it's it's I don't know I'm just excited to see these HTC amazon phones if they do come to pass yeah there's I'm excited I see new things from HTC even if they are making them for somebody else and I mean I really want to see these rumors about the talking about maybe be four cameras on the corners of the phone there was a patent that I think Amazon had for the technology that would allow for really accurate in space position sensing of your hands so gestures not just like air gestures using a single camera like on samsung but it could you could like reach in towards the screen and it would also have a sort of pseudo 3d effect if you sound really whoa interesting and potentially more useful than those real 3d screens we had a year or two ago that were complete fizzles I love Michaels reaction whoa this is the kind of phone feature that you would think of like well hi right that's exactly how you sounded you just kind of like uh well which is it friday no not at all and it should be oh my gosh so we'll wait to see what comes out of that stephen i hope one of those cool groundbreaking features cuz you know what we don't need we don't need a handheld kindle fire that's what we don't need no we do not we do not need amazon skin on it oh I feel I can do anything about that if it's good if it's good then I'll take it if it's not good then I don't want it either so so far the only skin i really like is sense so you never decide the editorial i wanted to about an Amazon phone which was based on a rumor that Amazon denied but it was the rumor about an HTC not at hcc amazon phone being free oh right right right yeah art of that that's back now that we're talking about it being free but that still might be some sort of prime exclusive mmm-hmm but doesn't make any sense to me but yeah I don't know but uh I mad I'd look at it I'd look at it but I don't want amazon skin like it it's one of the worst skins you haven't seen another held yet they're gonna redesign it for the handheld if they do and it's possible that we'll look it'll look good they're not going to do the magazine analog they're not going to do the disk rolling carousel of titles because that makes no sense on the phone so that also means but it also means that you're going to have google play services at all so it's not really oh why good as a fedora yeah yeah yeah yeah so you're tied into Amazon's ecosystem this the whole point of it existing yeah which is not cool and I love amazon i buy a ton of stuff from amazon and woot which is also an amazon company but is it oh that's right it was a huge boob guy back then they were stopped using it several years ago I've never been a woot goo a dude that was my favorite like rumor that never came to pass was that when when we were all like who's gonna buy webos like Amazon was gonna buy it I think that would have been really really very cool yeah totally different conversation right now be awesome he said as he cradled his dead pre three and thought of the pass over cold coffee let's get to the end of the podcast because we do have work to do even though we prefer not to think about that we are coming into listener mail you like that Shatner Lena I'm just gonna be a little own sound clip in the background there you get via report oh there no oh before we can do edited version it's there it didn't put yeah people are like what do you mean Stephen it was right there listeners are very confused right now look like a fool what do you want to UM but before we move on to list normal I'm just a reminder there's a google play event tonight at seven pm eastern way well it's not only not going to be hardware I mean we don't know what it is so just keep an eye out for that I forget by then so it's ironically I supported the words been no news either hardware or software that's very services so that's funny I hope it's I hope it's not a big deal because ironically i'm supposed to go talk with somebody this evening about google stuff so that's funny well okay well hopefully I said I just wanted to plant plug in there so we're not doing a yeah what about doing a round table for it or anything because we don't think anything's gonna happen now chances are all these rumors are bogus and something's gonna happen and none of us will be on our toes and then everything will go haywire because that's how this week has been so yeah so there's that but I'll be working until late and I don't probably editorialize something that happens there because I've done very little this week so never done a little book end as much as I've looked forward to this weekend you and me both buddy that being said I think it's time for the bong bong and it's time for listener mail Remington Jackson kicks us off on their first piece of listener male deer PocketNow podcast he says I've been looking at the pebble smartwatch and wanted some advice what are the most useful features that all you think this device has to offer besides telling time showing distance during runs and as a dedicated Bluetooth device well this is an easy question to answer first of all showing distance during runs Remington I know it does that but I have no experience in that because I don't do that whole run sighs this car is for ya reminiscent there Michael does well that's what Michael does he enables it and then he runs and jumps on the bus it's exactly right rides around I get 17 steps for my front door to the bus stop there you go oh no no no in able it and then you hop on the bus and you ride around and you feel good because you can look at your watching it says you actually did something she did yes space there is it like a pedometer yeah no I don't yet gps-based okay no wait a second if it's got an accelerometer in her so you can get a pedometer if you want in which case that whole bus joke wouldn't work Taylor he had a lot lately if you have your device yet every six blog exactly so anyway Remington answer your question notifications man like that's what the pebble does I I don't know if that's what you mean by as a dedicated bluetooth device Remington but um now I mean it's notifications for me is the number one thing that I love the pebble for because as we've said a bunch of times you know you can you don't have to take your phone out of your pocket like at all and and just drop inbound stuff and music control if you if you use the stock music player right no you can use Spotify it's got support for all of them oh really I didn't know as long as use of a Spotify yeah what it does is if you go into the app and you set your default music player so if an application is set to play music it did like it if it has that capability then you can set it as your default music player yeah so that's that's pretty cool so you can use it to skip tracks without taking your phone at your pocket or using that stupid little wonky button on your headphones which never works right that was that any different than just using the watch what do you what what what do you mean I mean you just actuated control that's not on your phone what's the difference between doing it on the watch and doing it on the record well because the cord button I don't know about you guys but I never have any luck with like it's like double tap to advance the next track and then I'll like you know I won't get the timing right and it'll like this instead okay that's fair yeah also I leave my phone across the room and I said a speaker up near me sometimes like if I need to charge my phone or whatever and I'm pebble my wrist I just skipping Paul's and play from across the room plus like the little modules on the cords on headphone wires I guess I wear a lot of collared shirts like very rarely do i wear a shirt without mr. fancy cuz I'm a fancy dude no but like it gets hung up on my collars and I'll like turn my head to see something and ripped it your butt out of my time like I hate it so I took the stupid module into my neck which is why when I call Taylor when we're having a when we're having like a like a deep throat news conference like we did yesterday about like breaking top secret news the Taylor's like you sound like you're in a wind tunnel I'm like shut up man Boston's windy can you never refer to your conversations media is a deep through something please you know you know get get with the news lingo buddy or after after tucking something in your throat like I don't know what's happening right now Remington we hope we've answered your question i'm looking at pebble apps um you can also put notes on your pebble so if you need something to remind you you can actually edit and look at notes on your watch you can use if this there's if this then that will plug into it so you can do a whole map Remington it's a very expandable device it doesn't seem like it because the screen is like you know it's like something out of I don't know 1989 but it's really really adaptable it's really versatile and because the screen is is that I Inc you know display god I always get that wrong it's he Hank naughty paper right the t paper not eating it was an LCD mmm yes a paper is an LCD dragon oil city because the display using that technology it doesn't use a lot of battery life so there's us play who's flying an RC plane right sorry I'm sorry there there disassembling the sidewalk near my office so sorry about the park yeah yeah yeah and you can park under them and stuff you know fancy but the thing is by one Remington if you were thinking that you might like it by one use it for the return period if you hate it return it when in lambaste Michael own Twitter absolutely leave a comment about how we're all wrong thank you for writing in though it's good to hear from you again oh and little is the next one and Taylor why don't you read that one nokia's I can't read learn another go and take to go Nokia's announcements of the 15 20 and 25 28 nokia world highlighted potential problem for microsoft nokia not faced by android and iOS both of these devices use the same Snapdragon 800 but offer different operating systems capabilities and apps what screen size is the right crossover point for windows phone 8 to Windows RT where there's a tarty does Microsoft need to unify these before it can succeed thanks for the great show it's I must listen every week uh so Stephen are you still there i'm back sorry i was like what happened i was a little glitch there so i was looking around to see what happened I'm sorry oh and yeah oh and I'm sorry as your mail was being read like skype gave us the sign off sound and then it and then i'm actually looking at a screen right now that says call ended with Stephen shank and Taylor Mardan I mean I'm still I mean we're still here and the car recorder button is still flashing so I think we're still good I hope we're still good cuz otherwise just redo the past hour and a half yeah so sorry um thanks for the great shows who must listen every week first of all thank you for that and then how would you answer this question Taylor I would hand it over to Steve knew it because he was talking about this earlier actually I mean the crossover point should be somewhere around six or seven inches but uh oh wait what from Windows Phone 8 to Windows Phone 8 to Windows 8/rt what is yeah so as the red crossover point I mean something running is with the sink the 6 inch display is not quite big enough for Windows RT I don't think something with seven maybe but I don't know I'm saying keep you know that like maybe eight to ten inch tablets as RT but then you've got this like just just get rid of RTL together why don't you just run Windows Phone 8 on everything up to 10 inch and then have your pro like your your your service pros and your windows 8 pro tablets like I don't understand why RT needs to exist with Windows Phone 8 out there three brand Windows Phone 8 is something else I don't know it require yeah it just doesn't make sense to me yeah I don't think it makes sense to anyone that's an interesting point I had never considered running Windows Phone as like a tablet you as a tablet OS on something like a 7-inch tablet I mean that's that would make a lot more sense than RT in some respects because you are getting the you're getting that the advantage of the windows phone 8 app ecosystem at least which is much more robust yeah then the windows also team so those guys outside or trolling you I know I'm dropping out I'm gonna believe it was like dead silence and then Michael starts to talk and no but I know tell her your idea is solid though and that I mean I completely agree although there's something obvious that we're missing what is it what practical advantage besides fake desktop does our tea offer over I mean does it all layout is it all like taking advantage it allows manufacturers to use the arm-based chips I don't know where the actual component costs are but maybe they're more for durable than the atoms that you need for the pro I don't know maybe but I mean with say running Windows Phone 8 on a even a 10 inch tablet couldn't you just do kind of like a snap mimic feature where if if the developer hasn't supported a full 10 inch screen you just snap a tiny little part of it on part of your screen and do sort of like multi-window I mean it to me mmm I feel like you could do a lot with it a lot more than this half-baked operating system that really doesn't have a place in this world hmm that was kind of harsh but I mean it I mean it Oh heartedly compelling thoughts the other words what am I not seeing a hard cross over from Windows Phone 8 2 RT I mean we could have maybe this is an RT but windows 8 pro I think we could stand to have both full on Windows and Windows Phone based devices living in the same sort of size range this 7 to 8-inch probably hmm let the market decide which one's better yeah and just a follow RT all together I think we are going to see some interesting interactions between RT and Windows Phone 8 as time goes on but yeah I would agree with you that the rough crossover size is probably seven to eight inches in my opinion and does Microsoft need to unify these before it can succeed yeah oh and I think so and I think we also we all think so i think everybody thinks so I think make yourself no sir Microsoft has three operating systems who else does that Apple has to google has to Microsoft has three and they all look exactly the same so it's like why you said yeah all right well let's move on this is I think we covered it a little bit earlier in the show so if you jumped right to listener Melo and hop back up to the window section we talked about that a little bit more in the midst of a whole bunch of trips into the weeds we hope you enjoy I'll take the next free solicitor mails from Jake Rossum guys just a really quick question about the one max what are those three dots or circles on the back right side of it yeah I'll take this because i like completely failed to call these out on the video review and then i was like oh I got to put that in the written review and then I really didn't those are pogo connector they exist so that you can use accessories with the one max such as the charging power sleeve that HTC is marketing to go along with it which uses an external battery to provide additional power it's really nothing new that pogo connectors we see them on a lot of devices the nexus nexus one that we won they were on the nexus one in all the galaxies and ex has had them as well the sum of the nexus 7 7's have them don't they ah yes the original Nexus 7 yeah you can do that with those things you can do a lot with them you can do external charging sleeves you can I think you can make like Doc's that take advantage of the Pogo connectors yeah yeah so they have done I don't get that that's what they're originally designed for is hey here's a doc you can also get for your phone for your nightstand or your desk or whatever and then they never release the dock where they release the dock like eight months after the phone comes out and nobody cares about it anymore and then they charge like eighty dollars for a piece of plastic and charger or they implemented poorly as such as in the Lumia 1020 where you can also see the Pogo connectors and then you slap a wireless charging cradle on there that doesn't really mesh up well with the Pogo connectors and as a result of dozens I was wondering to mix that earlier instead it didn't work well if you just met like it didn't shart I gave it was broken that sounds like what you're saying well no that was one of those situations where I was like guys thank you for sending this I think you sent me a defective one could you send me another one then they sent me another one like oh no this is just crap and then I'm on the forums of the world and everyone's like why doesn't this work I'm like oh right because it's defective that's the problem with pogo connectors I mean they're great because they're not going to get damaged you're not going to bend a pin because it's perfectly flat on a device but they can get dirty you can have alignment problem so it's a trade-off the accessory maker has to like very very manufacturer accessories to a very specific tolerance when you're talking about Pogo connectors because the usable area to work with is very small and you for an allotment problem like yeah yeah um go ahead tell her and then you get to up the last piece of listener man decided to read a piece weights even didn't you already know why I'm so tired Stephen you get to read the last piece of listener man Taylor you went to talk for ten seconds ten seconds ok so galaxy note man galaxy samsung it is you met it up you met them already there goes 10 seconds um samsung did this would be no tattoo nice but it wasn't they didn't have pogo pins but it was a dock so this is kind of the same thing but uh okay yeah cool sorry I had an email from Brandon yeah so what they did is they created this dock which would turn your Galaxy Note 2 into basically a computer so it's a doctor with a monitor port a keyboard and USB ports for a keyboard of mouse and they announced it like eight months after the note 2 came out yeah not eight months like four or five months and then they released it like four months after that like it just never really came to be so it's like the galaxy s3 wireless charging dock that that didn't happen until like the galaxy s4 came out yeah it's all this stuff it's all this crap Stephen read that last thing okay this one is from matt lawrence yes he writes in to ask would you prefer having one platform in your life across multiple devices when your cell phone tablet pc all that or would you rather switch things up have different platforms on different devices he says they're certainly advantages to having the same platform across them including new app and data crossover and similar you eyes but with cloud surface and cloud services and apps available cross-platform it might be less of an issue wants to know if that matters to us I love this question hmm even if I didn't I'll answer first even if I didn't have constant access to devices on different platforms and a need to use different platforms I would totally totally have devices on different platforms because I love the new i love that different you eyes work better on different screen sizes and as i think i've said before my ideal setup is like mac OS on the desktop android on a tablet and windows phone on a smartphone like that's kind of where I'm happiest and I seldom have problems with the multiple device multiple platform problem because I use a lot of cloud-based stuff like all my music is Spotify based all my notes are in Evernote or one note or whatever and those were both cross-platform you know like and then I've got a bunch of crap and Google Drive I don't need I think when it would cost me if I wanted to jump ship from one platform entirely and leap into another in terms of purchased apps and things at this point it would cost me like 20 bucks mmm of like rebe eyeing stuff it's really not as big a deal as I think a lot of people think it is for everyone but I'm sure you guys have different answers it matter is going to go ahead Taylor I'm kind of in the same boat as as you Michael I use mac OS mac OS on my desktop I have an android phone and iphone and the windows phone and I actively carry at least two of them switching out different phones I have a 7-inch android tablet which i think is my favorite android tablet size and then i'm going to have an ipad air which will be mine so and i have a lot of devices and having services that work across all of those is all important although i have switched over almost entirely to google play music it's something that i just have to deal with yeah i would not prefer to have one platform across all devices or one experience even across all devices because we've talked about that before how iOS is kind of merging with with OS 10 at least in the fact that you get a very similar experience across both of them having the same exact experience on my computer a tablet and a smartphone would drive me up the wall yeah because there is no yeah there's no one-size-fits-all you I no one-size-fits-all experience really agree know Stephen manufacturers I understand they would really love us to week is married to the one platform for life I think Microsoft is pushing this harder than everyone and even have the xbox factored in for your pinging bring the living room into this but I am fine with switching between platforms I mean I'm Android my primary phones right now so that's not really an option on the on the desktop so i'm already using multiple platforms but like you guys have been saying if you want what's best for the device and with all the new cloud services we have now to save our stuff do we can access it easily when we do have you know if you buy a bunch of music on toons you can always just import it into google music and move it between these more device or more platform centered services so I say you know use whatever you want on the device that works best for you yeah now I agree and I will not let this one thing pass in our final piece of listener mail there Matt did also say that he just started listening to our podcast and he really enjoys it so I want to say thank you to Matt and thank you to anyone that we managed to retain after our guest episode of with marques brownlee on the show we know a lot of you came over we're expecting a video podcast but to those of you who enjoyed the audio show the weekly thank you for sticking with us we are happy to have you on board gentlemen thank you for helping me answer those listener mail thank you for helping me co-host the shows or anything you guys want to say before we close out Taylor first since he usually gets the jump on Stephen in these kind of situations I do yeah this is it friday yet no saturday Saturday morning I just send you a poster with a dangling cat on it that says hang in there cool Stephen um no listen man I hope your furnace gets fixed bro oh my god yeah well I don't want to hear that you have succumbed to the unplanned to be on the onlive Friday morning so I'm going to be in like a parka please please please have a bonfire burning in the background he's gonna have snot sickles like hanging listen so tune in folks yeah make sure you make sure your will is updated and if you do succumb to the elements please send your karaoke microphone to add them down because God knows he needs one it's not great this is Tess Tess limbs oh alright guys that's gonna do it for this episode of the Berkeley tune in for our pocket now VIP with marques brownlee who have talked about recently tomorrow tomorrow's Friday tune in for that until then you can find us on Twitter Taylor's at casper texier sper tek Steven who's going to be on the pocket now live tomorrow as well is Stephen shank st vhen sche nck and as always you can find me at captain two 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