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the see an iphone 5c stands for crock f as in the shoe at least according to some pocketnow editors but what does the s in 5s stand for will speculate on that and speaking of letters and numbers will get caught up in just how we feel about the LG g2 and the Nokia Lumia 1520 and so much more on episode 06 one of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocket now where we discuss smartphones tablets and the state of mobile technology in 2013 I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and today I'm joined by a multimedia manager and chief football expert Jaime Rivera down in Honduras welcome back to the show sir hello sir and I'm surprised you're able to always nail that intro on the first clip you know I almost choked on my coffee while I was doing it and I'm sure it sounds like it and opa thank you i appreciate it and we're also joined by the man who can't catch a break this week microsoft fanzone punching bag contributing editor Adam Dowd hello to you over there in the middle of our great nation hello to you and I'm impressed that you said football and not soccer's I did it was important to me that I pay the proper amount of respect to a sport I pay no attention to but which the world does and I've been watching a lot of hype pocketnow daily this week so I've seen a lot of pocket now geez I've seen a lot of time his shirts like yeah you know everyone else is paying attention to this soccer thing so I will call it football as is proper house you don't have you know do you know the United States team is already dead they're pretty much classified to the world to the world cup I pretty much forgot that the u.s. had a soccer team there their plan they're playing really well that's awesome that's awesome to hear there's normally I feel like I don't hear about the US as lesser known sports teams for a reason where it's like oh we're doing really poorly and like rowing or whatever well actually the United States is more known for their soccer team than they are for football or baseball trust me what you mean oh you mean on a global in a global on a global scheme yet they they played actually this team plays really well in comparison to other teams in previous years well speaking of that before I get out of my depth we're going to stop talking about sports because I know nothing about anything but I do want to say that as we talk about these global affairs it is really really nice to be home this is our first podcast since the international funk ausstellung in berlin better known as Aoife Tony and I last podcast it from a hotel room poised over an unlikely and unstable microphone stand did you guys see that picture I didn't see the picture but I in my head I saw you and Tony with a bottle of Jack Daniels each smoking cigarettes hunched over kind of like 1960s FBI style oh yeah with like a single dangling exposed light bulb and yes look wearing like sweaty tank tops and just moving yeah yeah lets you know close to it I mean half of us where chain-smoking and we were not drinking jack but Tony did did expose me to some Romanian alinka know his number wasn't pálinka this tiny although I did huh I I do have some more uh he was nice enough to bring that it no it was like some kind of sherry or something like that it was it was like an aperitif anyways lovely we were not drunk as many many commenters some commanders thought we were in fact just exhausted but the point is and now I'm back in my sound booth in America hi Mei is in Honduras Adam is in the center of America instead of the the coastal seaboard and everything is where it should be Tony's back in Romania he's not on the podcast today and you guys are welcome to ask me any questions about Aoife that you would like I'm talking to you guys on the air with me and listeners and listeners if you want to check out all of our Aoife coverage which includes a whole bunch of smartphones and tablets seriously a whole lot you can check it out as they clumsily named pocketnow.com / tags / Aoife dash 2013 a link which will put in the description below yeah yeah that's good cuz I cut yeah you lost me after pocket now let's just go to HTTP colon front / front / yeah yeah c z colon backslash okay I've only got one um you are not a fan of tacky materials so um how is that note 3 4 u.i I sadly you know I couldn't get like the real decision is Michael Fisher really liking that phone so the note 3 you mean tacky in the sense of like style well the back is not real leather no it's not it's not real leather but you know what i will say this i had to be told that it wasn't real leather not that I actively thought that Samsung was going to use real leather on its one of its most popular smartphones I mean that would be very very unpopular with a large swath of the of the population who don't eat meat or don't believe in you know using real leather and stuff and yeah I'm fine with that but I just didn't think about it and the reason I didn't think about it was because it felt good enough to me that my brain didn't even go there I was like oh yeah okay leather whatever so whatever it is I unfortunately don't know what it actually is i don't know if it's technically pleather or if it's just some kind of weird synthetic but it feels great and the stitching you're either gonna like it or not i feel like this is the bold 9000 bold 9000 moment for sound I was about to say and I love the bold 9000 so you know I guess that in the past for me the the Galaxy Note the first iteration was like oh god I can't I can't even see that thing then the note too kind of grew on me after your review but you know the note 3 is like the first galaxy note that I see and I'm like oh ok I want that yeah I want that so I mean it's cool i'm glad you say that because i haven't heard other people's impressions of it too much or haven't had the time to read him and you know they've redone the rail around the side they've made it Anton was smart enough to call this out on the last week's podcast I think he said the kind of edge detailing on the on the bezel or not the bezel but the the mid plate the chrome bit all that is it's meant to resemble pages of a notebook and of course it is so you have all these parallel lines in there and to me it looked like a 1950's stylistic choice unlike the side of a pencil sharpener or something but you know it really looks good and interesting yeah I'm just so glad to see hyper glazed gone on the note 3 we don't know what they're going to do in the galaxy s5 and the rest of their devices but it's it's cool i understand that some people will not like the pleather but i like it it feels good it's got stitching I think it's cool I'll I'm thinking I'm thinking galaxy s5 stay with me here guys feathers what if it was a touch would know what a fix like what if it's like velour and like you rub it one way and it's one color you rub it the other way it's a different color oh now you're in the bay Sexton it just reminds me of that scene and coming to America or king jaffe Jaffa arrives to them to the barbershop and so you know the guy comes up and touches the line on his chest and is like wow is that velvet you remember that scene know you've made me want to rewatch coming to America now oh that was ever said a Murphy right yes it was actually Eddie Murphy's when when Adam and Eddie Murphy funny Murphy and yeah I wish he still did funny movies so anyway that yeah that that's the story in the note 3 and we can talk more about if as we roll in but that's not that you know that was the news of last week it will be the news again as we are going to get review units of that the galaxy gear and everything else for Saudi fuh but we have bigger news this week and we're going to kick things off with iOS probably for the first time in the weekly is in the last four weeks for months of the pocket and weekly i would say i think the last time I OS was first probably was when the last iPads dropped it's not like anything big happens right oh well so so we had a collaborative piece and I want to thank I may Rivera for for putting up with my obstinate ways whenever a collaborative piece rolls around and I see it my inbox like oh and there's a lot of reasons for that but I thought I was alone on that oh you two guys but the rumors the readers actually like him in that is that the comment threads are big and we're gonna rework the collaborative template a little bit because it's not very pretty right now and we're going to do something about that but we had a piece where we all wait in except for me with our thoughts on the brand new iphone 5s and iphone 5c and we have Jaime Rivera on the show today for a very specific reason he is pocketknives resident iOS champion we've adam doubt here on the show because he is pocketknives resident Windows Phone champion alongside Adam Lane and I hater and I we press out there right not really but you know so we have a little balance perspective and as usual I'm the the control rod here so hi may I want you to walk us through your thoughts of what Apple you know let us through earlier this week and I will remind our readers also that there is a there's a live broadcast recording you can watch of all of us getting this news live on the air which is tagged under the iOS tab on pocket now but Jaime your thoughts on the five s in the 5c you know I guess the 5s it's you know it's it's like I was actually watching your review of the galaxy s4 a couple of days ago because I was doing the script for the after the buzz that I'm working on um and you know the iPhone 5s is like the galaxy s4 for the galaxy s3 and submitter of improvement you look at the phone and it's really hard to tell any differences but you know the little things that they changed for me particularly in my usage scenario are substantial you know that fingerprint thing I'm the type of guy that does use passwords you don't for example um so for you that is not important for me it is you know I live in a country in a country where theft is very common um and your your phone continuously becomes your wallet um in so anyways you know I keep all my credit card information on my phone I keep all my personal information on my phone you know all my contacts my communications with everybody is on my phone and definitely I want to keep everything as private as I as I can in the case of theft um and the fact that I don't have to be hiding my phone to hide the password for my kids for example um because they could just sneak up and sneak up on you and play with you play with angry birds or stuff um you know the fact that that you know that they finally figured out the fingerprint scanner it's like we've had it for years I used to have it in IBM computers years ago and it worked kind of well um and you know motorola took a stab at it you remember those HP pocket pcs from years ago they took a stab at the the ipaq 5555 I think it was does it really have this yea yea years ago it's been it's been a while and nobody has really gotten it right and I'm just happy that somebody finally did you know for me the 5s is not really about the 5s but it's the fact that now everybody's gonna start doing it right finally so hopefully hopefully that's the case yeah let's let's let's let's hedge our bets a little bit we haven't actually seen this in practice yet so and it is tough but I understand why I would put it that way because it is it when Apple has something ready for release generally it's yes ready for prime time and it's you know really cooked Apple is always late to the game that you know they either leapfrog or they're late that's just the way they are right and you know you know I whatever I I guess I'm just disappointed at the whole at the whole idea of the camera it's like oh we've got a new technology of a flash and I'm like man you tell that to a photographer and he's gonna gag you oh why because it's not necessarily new because there's no optical image stabilization in this day and age and the flash is not a solution for people you know right but you but the flesh has been a problem point I want to say I got excited when they announced the flash because i hate the flesh i never use it because it destroys photos when I exactly because it exactly she's yet but but a flesh that doesn't you know white out your whole foreground it will be nice yeah but the problem is for example you those photos that you have of the review of the HTC one where you're taking a photo of the depth of that subway yeah okay you can't do that with a flash for example right no it has to be that has to be a long exposure with exactly so I guess what I'm saying is the flash is you know I was expecting Apple to at least figure that one out to not be late to optical image stabilization too that's the only disappointment with the 5s you know I i love the fingerprint scanner um I've been reading so many articles of the 64-bit processor and what it means to the future of applications um the only thing I'm gonna tell you is I'm sadly not Joe Levi so I still don't really I still don't really know how great this is gonna be until I see it in practice um this sadly sadly i come from the time where I remember or 64 bits coming to pcs and it was chaos at the beginning it was I remember that too and you know what I didn't even understand it back then and I'm fortunately I didn't have enough foresight to research it then so i would know what i was talking about now because it was funny when the the live broadcast just completely derailed when all of us were like wait we don't know what we're talking about yeah but okay so you know the the fingerprint scanner i like the 64 bit i'd like to see in the case of the camera is another thing where i'm like ok let's wait for the review unit most likely you know Brandon's gonna get it and he's gonna tell us if he likes it or not that's that's gonna be the point in the case of it yeah in the case of the iphone 5c gentlemen and ladies that you know listeners you be careful one man on this show ordered that stayed up until 3am to order that 5c last night you stay up until 3 i'm drinking Dunkin Donuts coffee you may be no sacrifice for that no that's not true I was so comfortable on my couch I was falling asleep to family guy after a gross pizza like that's what was happening in my life and it was so nice and then my alarm went off and it was freaking 250 and I was like oh come on man and then I had to deal with the apple store click all right babe I'll talk about that a second tell us about your thoughts on the 5c that I have committed to like okay so there is nothing different between the 5c in the iphone 5 there are some differences the battery is bigger the battery's bigger one else it's a pretty color right okay so yeah I guess what I'm saying is this um Apple is getting slammed right now in the stock market and the reason why is because they you know they were being pushed to provide a budget alternative to the iphone and so you know here comes Tim Cook and I say oh we've got a new strategy now where we're not gonna be leaving the old phone and dropping hundred books on the price what we're gonna be doing is gonna bring the whole new phone and so it makes you wonder okay so you know they would have you know they switched the materials to plastic but then it's the same iphone 5 only with different materials and they pretty much did what they would have done other years they just dropped the price tag by a hundred bucks and so they're getting slammed in the stock market because this is not a budget iPhone it's just another iteration of the iphone 5 you know nothing has really changed its like that they would have left the five it's like the view it listeners if you have a knife five right now keep it yeah but there is no point to upgrade all right but but if we can be a little more forward-looking what what Apple is done this is the first time in Apple's history with the iphone that they have today have taken the iphone and they have split it they've split the family into a high-end version and a lower end version no longer is the high end version automatically going to become next year's low end even though i'm sure that will persist assault agree now they have to product families now that this gives them the room now next year to take the higher end and go like here's a bigger one hears whatever and then here's the five Cs or whatever okay but that's that's exactly what I'm trying to tell you soon they that's what they said on the keynote but they didn't really do it you know the iphone 5c is just the five only with a plastic you know it's it's the iphone 5 with the case sure but video but if i do exactly where you're going with that high may even recognize you're getting ready to say it is the iphone bible the case but isn't the case you shouldn't we not marginalize the case considering how much customization has entered the market since the last iphone launched I mean shouldn't we treat the case as important even though that sounds stupid to treat a plastic polycarbonate color yes you know I guess I guess that the point that I'm trying to make is this the iphone 5c would have mattered it would have cost three hundred dollars three hundred fifty dollars four hundred dollars if is like a high cost here but my point is that they have not really innovated in any way with this phone you know in favor of the masses they simply change the backing of a already existing phone and they kept the same price scheme that they had for the last four years so they're not really changing anything you know that that's my point i mean if they would have launched this phone with a plastic bag and that plast i mean what's the difference between giving me an iphone 5 with anodized aluminum in different colors than to give me an iphone 5c with a plastic back in different colors because that's pretty much what they did and they're charging me just as if they would have downgraded the iphone 5 into the you know the entry-level model this is the second entry level model i guess i guess my point is that the reason why apple is being slammed in the stock market is this phone is just a camouflage way of doing the same thing they haven't changed anything if this phone if the iphone 5c would have been a hundred dollars less or if it were if it would have brought you know a different pricing strategy to you know to pull in teenagers or something I mean this looks like another microsoft kin you know like another product where they're gonna have to pay the full data plan and just for a hundred bucks more you can get the full iphone 5s so I do feel honestly sorry but I feel that this phone is gonna flop you feel the fact she is gonna flop i mean III do if it were any other company i would agree with you i do and the only reason why we're not gonna know this why are we not gonna know that this phone is gonna flop is because apple sadly calls their iphone sales as a whole meaning regular don't break it down between 5805 they don't break it down we don't know how many iPad minis were sold we don't know how many iphone and and you know we just have no way of knowing so sadly we won't know the phone flops or not well you will get a feel for it though you'll be able to keep your finger on the pulse of just yet through anecdotal evidence is like what do I see on the train yeah and this and this is I know that's that's crappy data but you know it's something at least yeah so and you know what it's funny I might want to walk the line at the boylston street apple store next week and just be like what do you what do you buy which one are you getting because they're both launching on the 20th right yeah yeah yeah so all right we have a windows phone guy on the podcast we want to hear is some alternate perspectives here and adam doubt i will say before I let you talk about the iphone adam doubt is too polite for the pocket now weekly just jump in just just just you know this is the this is the show that Taylor Martin co-host on all of ya you know this right she just does just steamroll over it there there's a reason why there there's a reason why that is Taylor the tailor I am to me before the shows like enjoy the podcast without me jerk I was like yeah we will it'll be nice to have a transition for once serious I actually he imed me I total I told them I'd hook you up with a couple of a segue Buster oh I appreciate thank you yeah absolutely so tell us Adam dad wrote a piece called a Windows Phone fans view of the new iphone and this was basically a III what I would probably say you panda you know I the so tell us Adam in fewer then you used in the piece and why you are not going to be standing in line next Friday and what you know why that is well well as you said on the intro i am and i am anna kind of an apple hater I really I just I've never liked Apple I've never liked the whole you know by a two-hundred-dollar mp3 player and get the exact same thing for what a $35 mp3 player I'll get now just I don't like that I just never have never will so I will not be I will not be staying in line although I will admit I you know I was watching a tailor's iOS 7 walkthrough and then there were some intriguing things there that made me kind of like mm-hmm but i'm still not there so that's that now we i was looking at your 5s and 5c our collaborative piece there and you were say you know sometime in the future it may not be completely crazy for me to support an iphone as a daily driver said items out and then you're gonna verse imploded on you my hand spontaneously combusted yes flip flop Adam down choose a side no I am a flip-flopper I'm very much offense writer so but what I mean what a boils down to is I mean from a windows phone perspective there was nothing about the iphone that made me say oh I need to go get an iphone screen you'll screw this iphones or this Windows Phone stuff so it's just you know I kind of ran down like the key features the 64-bit chip does nothing for me the fingerprint scan he does nothing for me the camera compared to the 1020 it does nothing for me so pretty much where I am is I'm still just kind of waiting for Apple to you know to blow me away and they have yet to do that and you know further what Apple does is not going to have it's not going to affect Windows Phone a lick windows phone is really too small for them to be concerned for competitors are doing windows phone is small enough where they're gonna make or break themselves so there was nothing about the iphone announcement that made me think oye windows phone is gonna charge or there was nothing that says oh no we're screwed so it was just it's windows phone is sitting on its on its own right now and it determines its own fate so that was kind of my view well yeah but that's true but I mean windows phone just like any other platform takes a note of what the competition is doing and and appropriates what it needs to and delight in its own version so you don't see any any kind of thing we might see in GDR for Windows Phone you know making up things because I still just want amber huh I've got I've got my poor AT&T lumia 920 that still is amber lyst Thank You carriers yeah so all right so another compelling reason to get an iphone so it's in September 18 everybody's gonna get iOS 7 that's just the way it is we've mentioned this a couple times now and the link is in the rundown as usual folks the iOS 7 gold master is it's officially out right yeah yes and Taylor Martin that's why Taylor Martin was able to do that walk through sorry guys it's the end of the week and I'm a little confused in the head but Taylor Martin did this great great video walkthrough of like hey here's what iOS 7 looks like now that it's out of beta here's the changes that have taken place here's what customers are going to be seeing on their on their iPhones yeah and I watched this video right before we came on the air and I tweeted that I was giggling like a schoolgirl watching it and not in derision but in excitement because as listeners know because I've said it 40 million times I haven't had an iphone since 2008 so coming back to iOS after that amount that stretch of time is filling me with a lot of excitement particularly because I like a lot of what i see in iOS 7 that's good that's gonna be huge for you having taken such a long layoff exactly and as it relates to you Adam having spent having myself spent so much time with Windows Phone because there was seven maybe it's the flood and elements maybe it's the pronounced use of color there's a lot of factors to it but it reminds me a lot of Windows Phone in its simplicity particularly at the lock screen if you just kind of hop on over to the to the unlock a keypad I'm like oh yeah well those aren't squares their circles but it's like oh yeah hey Metro what's up okay so I'm excited in that sense because it was always the chrome that kept me like annoyed about iOS so I'm very excited to look at it from that perspective I'm excited to see it from the perspective of somebody who's been away for a long time but for an old guard person like you high man we've talked about before but now we have the gold master what what are your feelings about this new flavor of iOS so I've been using the beta and now the gold master since day one reverie single beta since it's been right that's why I asked because you've been using it consistently but you also spend a whole lot of time with the old chromed up version yeah um I like it it's visually pleasing to me at first it was hard to to get used to the contrast and and you know because the greens are like really green yeah and then the Reds are like really red but you know there's a lot of genius you know I I told us we had this call with a Brandon yesterday and I'm like man you know sometimes I feel like if Apple somehow discovered who invented HTC Sense 5 and hired the guy secretly or or within that whole HTC and Apple settlement they kind of came to an agreement of collaboration or something because i've been using HTC Sense 5 for like three weeks on the HTC One X and you know I see a lot of you know a lot of things are very similar like the weather application it's like a strict copy of hcc sense um the photos application that whole stacking of photos with events and everything that sends five um you know that the typography looks a lot like since five but then again you know i like it i feel that it was it was a great enhancement and you know it's not a lot of people are like oh this is just lipstick on a pig and well now it wasn't really a pig it just it just needed a revamp a we won't be my argument that it was indeed a pig but that pig has been not just you know putting a lipstick has not just put been put on it but we've gone with the dress okay so you know the hat and so for example if you goes in so for example um is it more efficient no um is it faster no but iOS 6 wasn't slow no I know it wasn't slow so I guess that's the thing you know what what could Apple enhance from iOS that wasn't aesthetics and that wasn't you know how practical it was because for me yet control centers like oh god what to take these people so long a simple control center is the swipe up from the bottom and you get those goggles like a Lima and you get the targos i guess i've written like six editorials on what are you gonna do this and it's finally there and not only is it there hi mate but it's not implemented in the android way which is increasingly stupid as you get higher screen sizes and you continue to have to swipe down from the top which is dumb because it's from 100 usability swiping up from the bottom makes all the sense in the world and i will mention this because the commenters will yes you can get custom roms that do this my friend Chris Larson is running a droid DNA with a custom rom where you can swipe arts from just from the clocks uh well you know people not on this podcast but but a lot of people listen nobody but the point is I've seen it I've seen it implemented well in a custom rom on android i just wished android as a whole would undertake this but you know what we're not talking about that right now we're talking about iOS 7 and the control center coming up in the bottom is yes so incredibly logical i just i'm in love with it before I've even used it yeah no I guess that like for example um there are some applications that are already being updated to iOS 7 like for example there's this temperature application that i use that i really like because it gives me a toggle for for the information of the temperature and for example in the past and you you have to deal with this with Windows Phone you have to deal with this with Android where you launch an application and you have to wait for it to refresh and with iOS now it notices which are the applications that you use more and it'll automatically update it in the background if that's one of the applications that you use the most so I'm so that's like for example Wow you know i I've hated this ever since you know I had to move away from windows mobile because in Windows Mobile you didn't have that problem the application would would trigger the the update it wasn't a server it was the app that was doing it right you know and and so for me ok so these these are things that all operating systems struggle with and that iOS is finally figuring figuring this out simple things like that syria's getting better so again if you're expecting this to be to make the iphone better than it was no but again I you know I like that I really think it does make the iphone better than it was listen it's just visually better um it's usually better we just spent long minutes talking with a yeah oh yeah plus we've got the cards and I know Adam dad will appreciate the the card based multitasking yeah yeah what's her face multitasking oh it's this thing that they got lighters for this old company oh yeah you see it on windows phone every day oh yeah but on Windows Phone infuriatingly you can't throw the car can't toss them away oh so you know and I let you can do that you can I'm gonna I'm gonna stomp on here something really quick I just saw something come from Stephen shank on my Twitter feed saying HP is going to make a windows phone what isn't that great wait is that true I just saw it was just on the twitter feed is probably on the homepage i'm looking at a remote panetta right now as well let's see when does my HP rumored to produce Windows Phone hands rumored excuse me all right this is just breaking I love this I love Friday afternoon late breaking news and by the way should renounce this a top listeners we're going to try this friday thing for the weekly from now on because i like it better and rumors very light on specifics but supposedly a trusted source indicates HP's been working a new smartphone for a while now and it looks like it's going to be a windows phone 8 model basically but we're down since 2010 but anyway listen this makes all kinds of sense but i doubt they're going to impress me considering what they've done in their tablet sector but yeah we'll see we'll see here anyway uh sorry i didn't mean oh no dude that was that was awesome thank you for that heads up uh so there's a lot to talk about here i want to ask about one more thing before we move on to the final topic of iOS 7 part of my wonderment and excitement at watching taylor's walkthrough was seeing the parallax wallpaper effect in iOS 7 which is one of the most useless pieces of crofton whole thing but it looks amazing on video how does it look in person i'm it because it makes it's not just that the wallpaper is moving with your with your motion which we've seen on android since 2010 it's yet the icons appear to be hovering on a different layer than the background right yeah everything is layered and I you know I like that mentality where you know everything is like logical you know that they're you know you know that the that control center is laying on top of something and it tries to give you that that perspective and and in the case of the parallax you know I guess what I like about it the most is that it works with anything you put on it meaning it doesn't have to be an apple wallpaper like for example you know moving wallpapers on Android have to be moving wallpapers for them to work you know and and there are certain things that just don't happen unless the wallpaper support center stuff like that work whereas here it could be a photo of you of you and your girlfriend or whatever and the parallax will work and I like that you know I I like that it's it's a very you know it's a very simplistic and some people will call it dumb visual effect but it just gives the phone this this this um dimensions it's a little detail I'm it's a little detail yeah it's the people people get caught up in the details that it's been an awesome thing of the cell phone worlds yeah the one of the cell phone room the crown molding oh when you when you go into old building and they have the wood thing going around the top of the top of the wall what is he like with where the wall meets the ceiling is that what the molding is there's a molding there's yeah it's kind of it's kind of a big deal in carpentry so really yeah you a carpenter Adam death ah my father was filled with many things up yeah yeah cool so was Jesus hey you're sure learning all kinds of things on the pocket I week later that's right month so before we moved entirely out of iOS I want to spring to the defense of something that both of you have maligned savagely on the show today and you know I've got a bone to pick with the both of you I think the fingerprint scanner is cool I love it so you love it I love it oh yeah it's great wait you look you just talked about how useless it is how doesn't do it no no no I was the one that said that I love it I for me that that though that's right i'm sorry it's adam that single feature alone is enough for me to buy an iphone 5s I think you just dismissed it in terms of like the broad the broad appeal but listen that thing excites me more than anything else about the 5s I just couldn't depend on how it works I mean you know he's a lock code Adam I do you know I do not not sure why I I do not and the reason I don't is because that is the last thing I want to do is put this added step every single time i unlock my phone I've either doing a gesture or doing a lock code or doing a facial recognition or something like that right the the thing that is the so compelling about the fingerprint scanner is that if it works as advertised it's just you know every time you want to spy a nap you want to buy an apple you do is put your friend right you know brilliant and we just think about it in the case of security I mean what better than your fingerprint there's nothing else is infallible your your password could be seen by somebody else um it is just so easy no security system is better than your fingerprint and for me for that to become a standard in smartphones because that's the way it's gonna be next year the galaxy s5 is gonna bring a fingerprint scanner you can bet on it yes gonna hell they would implement that though cuz i mean the home button makes perfect sense to put a finger print button you know to make it put a fingerprint scanner there cuz your fingers gonna be touching anyway and it's it's right there its front and center on the phone I don't know where a galaxy s4 would put a fingerprint you'll give you they'll give you a bigger home button that's what they'll do that's probably with it because we know they love their home button yeah but that's not going away so that's that's the real genius here and i can already you know despite the fact that we've mentioned this before i can already see the comments streaming in it's like Apple wasn't the first but yeah we had it on the atrix on the back and it was part of the power stand by key from motorola motorola first they do it was terrible and it didn't work very well at all right it was terrible I mean that that's my problem i mean how can you how can you rely you know rely your security on a part that you can't guarantee will always work it's like you know apple still has syrian beta for example they're still smart enough to tell you that it's not finished no you know it's so I I approached for Gmail yeah for gmail but it's true I mean how can you sell me a phone and boast about the fingerprint scanner if it's not gonna work all the time right yeah well I'm curious to see is how it's gonna work in adverse conditions how is it gonna work when it's raining how's it gonna work when your hands are dirty alyssum weren't listen and this is funny you know people were making this comment they were like it's not gonna work with my glove and I'm like in the past for you to type in the password to your iPhone you had to take the gloves off anyways well I mean like where I'm going from us it's like if your hands were wet you still had to dry them out to touch the screen so why why are you trying to make a point about this it is you're still gonna your behavior pattern is still gonna continue this is not a galaxy s4 active it's an iphone I get it but Jaime I'm a geocacher my hands are rarely clean yes so I just you know right I'm out in the woods I'm you know digging through grass and leaves looking for stupid ammo boxes and you know I'm a dirty dirty boy and I need dear God where have we gone oh my god average listener account just plummeted 2500 two thousand so we have a division of nails yeah tool time okay i guess i I just I just want to make this point clear make it there nothing nothing is gonna change about your usage you're getting an enhancement in the past way you had as a button that the button will still work meaning if you have your gloves on and you push it the button will still work so the only difference is you're not gonna be able to unlock your phone or turn off this the the the fingerprint and set it to your password you're still gonna have to take your gloves off because there is no sensitivity on the arm we've got that we are going to circle back to this on listener mail by the way so you will have the opportunity to opine further there never was and over fifty percent of the population in the United States is carrying an iphone right now and they've learned to live with it mmmmmm that's a great marketing slogan by an iphone and live with live with it dot jpg you know the brings amperes oh no no no no no I want to talk about the component okay because I this is important because the fingerprint scanner we're never going to get a consensus on this until there's millions of them on the market and finally people either deal with it dot PNG or as a you know return them all right so that's humbler compy ok so thatthat's we'll talk more about this in the future but the problem is right now it appears to be giving apple some serious serious trouble in meeting demand and that's that's projected demand at this point I think but the iphone 5s fingerprint scanner yield meaning they're good the capacity of the companies to build it is according to one analyst terrible yes this one's say I'm i want to say today does it say I'm gonna say this animal Apple is apolis you know they did it last year with the iphone 5 bomb they're trying to create buzz in order for the demand to skyrocket you think the key bogus I think this is bogus I feel that Apple manipulates the system for the stock market to to like them you know oh they're out of stock so out of stock means they've sold a ton of phones and that makes your stock prices skyrocket well no that's actually quite the opposite the analysts is saying that because they're going to be unable to meet the band their stock prices going down and to address your other point i saw when i saw that comp that same comment they're just trying to create demand when has apple ever had to create demand for an iphone I'll give you an A cup I'll give you a clear example why is there no pre order for the 5s why either start there's their stock price is fifty percent down right now and what they need is for people to plummet those stores for the media to go crazy for CNN to report on it for The Wall Street Journal to report on it so that investors are happy that people still want to buy an iPhone ok so yet so you're saying it's it's purely a tactical push it's a tactical push that's my purse that's my opinion ok I've I've got a delves as far into the boiler room as I can go on this one so yes I mean the deal is that they're they're saying that the foxconn or whoever is only going to build between five and ten million 5s units this quarter which will you know not at all meet meet meet the projected demand i don't think so i guess we will have to see what what happens here but i guess my question is is assuming this is true are the added benefits that the fingerprint scanner brings worth the trouble essentially well in my particular case um if you want to sell your iphone 5 this is the time so so yeah you know if you don't sell if you don't sell your phone now on ebay it's gonna be worth a lot less next week so yeah this is what isn't it's it's the smartest thing to get rid of it now and get the 5s you know so yeah that's that's like the only compelling reason why yeah you want to get the latest and greatest you want to get some good gravy over your current devices like the right time to sell it and to probably live with a nokia 33 something for you know one of those old dumb phones while your phone arrives but yeah i guess that's the only reason why it's compelling for people to go crazy over it now because that that's that's it you know the head I don't know how many the thing is I think they're starting to sell this phone on day one in China yeah that's that's good that's a big deal and we should have talked about that alone that that's that's gonna make the phone like disappear on day one you know they're the shipments are not even gonna leave the factory right you're just gonna go pick them up there get you know you know by the way before before we leave before I I'm sorry I'm killing your segue but yeah I'm doubt or even like it's just in my brain it didn't even make it to my mouth yet you're going the bonus round on Segway I know I'm gonna ask you one little thing about that Nokia that Nokia feature of the high sensitivity on this on the display speaking of the fingerprint scanner so sensitive touch tell me something that super sensitive touch is automatic or you have to send it as far as i know it's automatic as i have never said it you can set you can set the level the sensitivity level to utilize change it yeah okay so see that that's no better yes that that's really my problem that's see that's the only that's my problem with with these products it's like yeah it's cool to have but if you have to be setting it then what's the point well because you want to be setting it in different conditions you're like if you're if you're the type of person who hovers his thumb uncertainly over the screen when you're browsing like I don't know where to go you don't want that hover to trigger a link you know like you want to be able to customize a little bit like Windows Phone fell into the trap of not allowing enough customization so in a lot of Windows Phone there's just you going to like settings and it's like wow I can't really manipulate much of this and lately nokia kind of came to the rescue with some some stuff in the amber update to oh yeah I guess what I'm saying is going back to that comment that we've been getting about you know the iphone not being usable with a glove or anything I don't want to go back there I'm so tired of this stupid argument let's let's let's talk about something else okay pretty sure we rolled up the shutters on them yeah I'm so done I'm so done with that but i did want to i do want to continue touching on fingerprints as we move into android and we'll go back we'll get back to iOS on our next week's show and also i'll be unboxing my 5c on friday and i'm really jazzed so well color league I got blue when I meant to get a green case for the blue phone but instead I was so exhausted that i got a blue case for the blue phone so i'm gonna be the most boring iphone 5c carrier you're serious I didn't meet I was tired we're gonna be carrying a blue phone and everyone's gonna know oh he got the cheap one oh look at that yo you what would this is classic be finished in brave new world right now right what's nice is that thankfully you do not have to be on iOS to experience the wonders of a fingerprint scanner if any of these leaks are going to be believed we're talking about android now we are changing up the links in the rundown just a little bit and we're talking about the HTC one max the branding has leaked for it we well supposedly we know that it's going to be called the max with 1x which makes sense because they don't to get mobile motorola it has popped up in some test photos and this has been consistent throughout i think all of the HTC one max leaks there is a big ol square sitting beneath the big ol camera lens on this big big phone and that square is what everyone believes to be or many people at least a fingerprint scanner in a level in a lovely placement in it lovely placement now we were just saying that the fingerprint scanner is a power standby button didn't really work on motorola atrix and it's the home button is kind of the perfect place for it on the iphone 4 at 5s but this one is right below the camera lens on the back coincidentally in the same location as the volume buttons and power standby button on the LG g2 which I have right here in which we'll talk about in a second and also where the convenient little dimple is on the back of the motorola x it is a very natural place for your finger to go when you're using a phone is this guy's a sensible location frosty I think a fingerprint scanner on HTC it's gonna be a brilliant idea unlike the iphone no I'm Kelly I was just gonna say are you just being a troll is that what's going on da da da uh no actually I'm just wondering how many dirty camera lenses we're gonna have because people you nailed it you nail you need a lot of ultrapixels to make up for the fingerprint blurs on the knee they getting on your phone your uh photo sir right so hi mate you agree with that oh yeah that's for me it's like yeah it's a good placement sadly you know the camera is exactly just on top of it so that's gonna be nice it's brilliant and it's stupidity well you know maybe we're going to see something done with texture here it is a square as opposed to a circle maybe the corners will be definable by your fingers and you'll be able to tell the difference i have not had any trouble on the LG g2 with differentiated in the lens from the buttons but that's because the power standby has a little hump on the back and of course the motorola x dimple is a dimple instead of the lens so maybe HTC will do something similar but i'm curious as to your guys thoughts on the implementation on the software side I mean will will this be a custom build of sense that disallows and unlock unless your finger is on that little square do you think will or will will that in laxmi and implementation not even be used will they use it for something else well I do know that the the sense lock function is very unique to sense up to the point where there's this application that i have its called the delay lock where it's always like if you have an HTC phone this is not gonna work it's oh yeah and so go ahead go ahead and it's gonna be awkward as hell if you're gonna be using that for a lockscreen i just got me I guess maybe if you're using your index finger but I'm just when I pick up my phone I don't really naturally put any fingers anywhere close to the camera so really and we only like like bear claw like you good thing like I users oh okay yeah not just I don't know I just pick up a phone my palm it you know this is what I do so I mean I just I don't I I don't see how that's gonna work for a lock screen but I been wrong before is many many many Twitter users have pointed out where you know where else would we implement such a thing I mean maybe authentication in the Google Play storages does android allow for that kind of for that kind of customization of authentication or no I mean I imagine if any OS did it probably would be Android it would be Android yeah I wish I wish we had Joel iveta shed some light on this when i'm sure the homes are there's something better with a home button is where's the home button on the one max that I it's like a skit alright so we've talked enough about fingerprints but maybe that thing isn't even a fingerprint scanner maybe it is the biggest flash to ever grace a smile I was about to say yeah it could be a xenon Wow there's my I mean there's a little spot just to the left of it yes which looks like a flash well but the load the Lumia 1020 has an LED flash in a xenon flash all that's true you can do both now what one question did do any of you believe that the reason why we didn't get a one max editha is because they wanted to see what Apple was gonna launch you know when it comes up when it comes to fingerprint when it comes to fingerprint technology that would make sense well HTC likes doing their own thing like yeah Samsung does too but they've also launched all of the notes at Aoife so that's kind of a you know tradition for them I don't as far as long as I've been covering this stuff which isn't very long HTC has not really been a huge present set at Aoife I mean they kind of launched their mid range stuff there you know so no yeah I didn't really had a good point you have to mention the one max I mean it's it's been in development for what 12 months or so I mean this is not like a brand new thing they just decided to toss out in the oboe wait let's see what Apple does and if Apple does something similar we're gonna scrap exactly right because they say they're way too late in the game if thing is real they're way too late in the game to change anything yeah mobile device development is not nearly as nimble as people like to think that it is right so I mean it's not like it's not like Samsung is gonna you know now that they've seen the iphone announcement now we're gonna go and we're gonna get to the drawing board and we're gonna start designing the s5 they probably already have cocktail napkins with the s6 already sketched on it right yeah as fast actually I got some insight into that in my first my first ever event that I covered remotely which was the galaxy s3 launch and we were talking to a lot of people inside Samsung that was wonderful and I really got some nice insight into how far in advance that stuff is planned like these guys were saying yeah you know we we got the s3 out the door in phase 1 of 4 or whatever we that moved on from our department and we immediately turn to our next project and it wouldn't say at that point what their next project was but it turned out to be the note 2 and you know that was you know far in advance so anyway the one max before we move on to the other HTC device concerns me gents and it is concerning to me because it doesn't seem to listen we know nothing about the software but there's no hardware support for anything other than a phone what is this big display right what I'm saying is why is this thing so big it has to I think the software has to carry this I guess what I'm saying is there's no s-pen analog no stylus and so it's just a giant screen for a giant screens sake right and so which means that the software will have to carry this entirely and this is not the last time on this podcast we will make this point because there's another big screen phone we have to talk about in a second but so what do you guys think this will be the first super huge HTC screen we've seen how do we think that they're going to take advantage of this extra real estate and besides smaller tiles and blinkfeed you know I would hope that they would do like a an S galaxy note 3 type of implementation of like a side-by-side app usage you know some type of multitasking capability i mean i don't i don't have an HTC one so i'm not even sure what their multitasking capability is on the one excited from what i've read um the one I haven't yeah there's not there's really not much there's I haven't seen anyone doing with ya no no that's because it has a 4.7 inch screen I mean it's not a big it's not rotten room 5.3 or 5.5 I mean isn't it just time to make a big a phone just because everybody wants a big a phone at this point so I'm using Michael's swearing strategy there thank you yeah yeah well it's not new i mean we've got the galaxy mega decrying and then nobody cares about these things that the problem is the only reason why the note makes sense is because call it gimmicky or whatever you want to call it the s-pen lures people it makes it gives it a gives it a reason for being but it is it'll wreath it's not just the s-pen I mean it's also the multitasking approach which is very intelligent right but it's just funny i have two friends that have a node 2 and they had no clue that that thing had that multi screen ok i thought you were gonna say that no clue it had an S Pen like they bought it just for the S Pen you know and they bought it just for the S Pen it was funny and i sat down with the guys and listen just press and hold the back button he's like oh my god hey I wish the s3 had a nice fence I mean I would hey you would buy just about anything just by the siege by the sea pen bro it's the same day you know come on our listeners are gonna believe you they're gonna go on don't don't 5c pen I won't have a special episode of worst gadgets ever just for the sea pen god I hate it so the HTC One max we'll see if it can differentiate itself we got to keep moving here because we do have so much news and shows getting longer every minute the big phone coverage continues with the LG g2 which I have sitting next to me you know what I have sitting next to that guys and maybe on another LG g2 is correct and you know we got no its next to that LG g2 LG is hilarious so the reason we were late in the g two guys is because we had an address problem this this was supposed to go to tailor while i was at Aoife and instead it came to me in boston and my office and unfortunately what happened there was i wasn't yeah so that my office unloved and untouched by anyone for the entire time I was if I came home and I got off the plane and I'm like God why isn't Taylor's G to review up yet what's going on with this and then I found out what was going on with that so that's why our G to review is late but then LG did something funny the next day after I'd unbox the GTO Mike okay I'm gonna start getting to know the g2 at my doorbell rang and went downstairs to my office from my office and I came back upstairs with a bag containing two more LG so we owe this isn't not only do they said you the one you weren't supposed to get but essentially two more just in case exactly exactly so that's it's pretty cool and you know item I don't mean to seem seem like it's it's a stupid thing I mean it's great we get to experience both flavors we've done the double unboxing we've shown you how that what the differences are key among them the unlit global unlocked version comes with these awesome headphones and the carriers variants do not and you know that's just sad panda that's just really mean to do on a flagship class device if you're going to take headphones out of a mid-range or fine if you're going to take headphones out of a like banner halo smartphone that's just I don't know man I a much money could they possibly be saving yeah i understand i wonder then want to pass that cost on to the consumer excite i want to break the 199 price point or whatever it is but cheese anyway point is I've got one we compared it to the HTC one we are very excited to get one of them is going to hi May yeah one of them is going to Taylor Martin he's going to compare it against the galaxy s4 and our review will be up next week and guys I gotta tell you I mean I'm looking forward to trading notes with you on this because I I didn't like this thing in New York I will say that I was a covered the launch event commenters many LG fans didn't like that I covered the launch event because I didn't really give the thing any slack I mean it feels like a galaxy s3 in the hand and I don't really like that but you get it away from the tethers in the showroom you spend some time that you move into it and does the thing have flaws yes it has many but it also has a lot of advantages and I'd like it I mean this is a little spoilery I have no idea how I'm going to feel about it once I actually sit down to write the review but I am very surprised at how well I'm enjoying my time with the what well you like the optimus G oh you were actually surprised about that phone i remember when i was editing your review and you were like i like this phone you know LG is as has taken you know they had there not only doing a lot of wow with their UI and everything but they actually got it right it's it's not laggy it's not exactly yeah it looks elegant it babe gianna huh well so the optimist the reason the reason that I didn't do the g2 so much the reason I gave it such bunk in here in New York City was because because of the optimus G the optimus G was beautiful it was glass yes was fragile but it was glass and fake metal which actually felt good if it was just a gorgeous little device and the g2 is it is a rebadged to samsung galaxy s4 except with different detailing a much thinner bezel yes and then the keys and some of that but I'm talking about the material it's a plastic big phone and it no one says that no one has asked me about it I use this as a bit of a barometer because every one of my friends knows what I do so when I go to hang out with them they always know I'm carrying a new phone i SAT with my phone nerd friend at a bar the other day and I I put the thing on the counter in front of me and it SAT there for like 20 minutes before and I had to point it out to him that's how you know how much this device doesn't stand out hey new phone here yeah come on crazy right look at me come on whereas with the optimus G you know that was not the case i mean the optimus G was understated too but I guess the point is I'm disappointed LG retreated from a boulder track to make it conform to make the newer phone conform more with the landscape but we've all heard that before it's you know wait for the full review for my full thoughts on that but that does directly impact how excited we are about the nexus 5 how excited are we about the nexus 5 which may have been spotted at the FCC I've been saying I'm talking out daily for like three days straight if that thing is gonna have all the specs that are at the FCC oh man and and they keep the price tag this is gonna oh this is gonna make you know this is going to make like the Nexus brand go ballistic this reminds me of what the HTC which was the nexus one was you know back then the nexus one was the first one gigahertz processor it was a lot of firsts in the case of that phone and it was set it sadly hasn't been the same case with every other phone that's been launched and so yeah this is not gonna be a first row but at least it's not gonna be a punching bag dealers tell us about the specs what are the specs smell it Snapdragon 800 you know two gigs ram um the camera is up as apparently optical image stabilization which you know if it's the same module is in the g2 that would make sense apparently this is a d2 that's just rude bad rebranded in every way whereas the you know in the case of the nexus 4 not everything was right in the nexus 4 was I mean you we won't go back to talking about the nexus 4 but it was a underwhelming not only on the spec sheet but also in performance in a lot of different ways I remember how much people just went crazy over the fact that it didn't have LTE and this one has doesn't have just LTE that this gsm unit has all the bands does it yes this is this FCC device yeah yeah and it also looks to have a matte back cover am I looking at that yeah yeah yeah listen this is like looking at a nexus 7 smaller mmm-hmm do you guys you won't remember this time a bit Adam Dowd did were you ever on sprint I've never been on sprint hmm I've been on 18t longer than God alright Justin maybe like one or two of our listeners will remember sprint had a friend header device at flip phone only one or two of ours that's exactly right sprint had a device called the SP HM 610 from Samsung it was a flip phone back in the how do you remember those names I used to I used to work for him so you know and I but I was a big samsung fan in anyways a flip phone but the point is it looked like when it was closed it was the thinnest flip phone in America it might still be one of the thinnest ever produced me stupid ridiculously then and i loved it i never owned it i loved it but it had the soft touch black finish on it and the phone had gently rounded curves when it was closed but it was high end so it wasn't rounded in the way that like I've stupid like a jitterbug is or something but man it was beautiful and that's what this thing reminds me of the new the nexus 5 FCC photos so if you have a chance listeners check out the link the FCC has taken the photos down I believe they were bundled Enda like the verizon GG release right yeah so so the problem is that the paperwork was mixed with in the same the same area the same portion of the website so that both files were at the same area but it was actually two different units okay it was it was another two to two different phones um and you know I I feel that this this could be like this could finally be like the big break for the Nexus brand it's not like a it's not like if they're actually looking forward to it Google's never been the company to to you know they don't care about that but this is sundar Pichai as Android now truly we we are no longer in at Andy Rubens territory so you know there's the guy that brought us the Chromebook pixel he's crazy he got is a $35 got is a $35 chromecast so if in a thirteen hundred dollar netbook if she had any doubt that i had any single sort of admiration for Sindar after I paid those 35 bucks for the chromecast buddy you are my friend yeah I have a lot of admiration for you those that requires guts and and if he can give us a Snapdragon 800 LG Nexus 5 oh that calls guts and that is gonna go be men listen the prices on smartphones have not dropped in a long time technology has become cheaper technology has become more accessible and if this guy challenges the market with a very affordable flagship phone this is gonna make everybody's price drop if they can figure out a way to market it well think I'd know exactly what i have on the podcast when this thing drops you excited hi may I like I am I am I miss about excited about sorry I'm sorry I was just I fell in love with the nexus one and I've hated that every other Nexus has not been as great as the next is why I liked long xss I think the nexus s got too much hate love the design of that thing put a curved screen on anything I'm gonna like it I'd giggle like a schoolgirl if this came out as the google nexus 5 and what why don't you guys think why is like yogurt I don't it's it's an old expression I felt like a 70 year old when I used it earlier today on Twitter and I still feel let's let's move on because we got to keep the to keep the pace up and we want to talk about another big phone before we leave android i want to say we skipped a topic listen HTC is probably gonna release a gold one oh yay okay let's move on yes does it come with a big fat bike ride by the way Brandon was all we in our conversation yesterday was like men i'm getting that golden iphone and I'm like once you go outside once you go outside and you notice that every single girl at the mall has the golden iphone you're gonna want to return that thing yeah that's definitely or i mean are you gonna take your walker and walk up to the counter with it and say give me a gourd iphone i want one of the new hot ish I don't know man I've said it before but if we already talked about my time at sprint but before then I worked for nextel before we get acquired and in 2004 the bronze edition motorola I 830 was released and was released in silver later but it came out Browns first and I was like man there's just no way I love this little tiny thing but there's no way I'm buying it at Braun you remember that you remember that Dolce & Gabbana v3 yes oh my friend had one of those for like years I would always see him at a bar oh my god there's there's Mike G razor wells its heat yeah i hear be appreciated of the finer things I'm not actually made of gold no thank you yeah even then it's gross anyway let's let's move on all right another big phone in the Windows Phone camp finally Adam jab gets to sink his teeth into something Brandon minimun speaking of him never mind Adam that was a different Segway Brandon minimun asked me on the phone earlier what do you think about that Nokia Lumia 1520 and I said well I think it's probably going to come out September 26 that a nokia event in new york city but personally what do I think about it I have no idea what to think about it at a microsoft event you mean when we're gonna talk about that sorry dad it's an arena that is still in it in the future that is still that has not happened yet we still have nokia in its traditional configuration they don't even have a CEO anymore come on they do two of it they have an interim CEO yeah but IBM that he's in charge of the other departments he's not in charge of all right all right all right okay anyway no humanity nice x go Lumia 1520 has exciting things about it it looks to be windows phones first true phablet with a six inch screen at least right or maybe he's at six on the mark not so not as exciting as as a resolution though in six-inch but 1080p which would be a first for Windows Phone and that would require the gdr3 update because the current iteration of witness one does not support 1080p souls that's exciting being able to fit more live tiles in the same space is exciting because I am so tired of scrolling down to the second half of my home screen to see all my tiles even when they're all small and a giant battery also exciting less exciting I don't know what the hell to make of Windows Phone on a six inch screen Adam yelp event of an evil upon any phone with any phone no I know what to do with it in other platforms but not only listen I don't know what to do Adam what yes your thoughts I need an opinion well I'm at it I'm at sea I wrote while you were while you were across the pond I wrote at an article called and actually the day that microsoft announced their nokia deal at like three o'clock in the morning on Tuesday last week they were so proud of her man that's seven o'clock that next morning I post an article that said if Nokia wants to make a phablet go ahead but I'm not interested and I'm just like do I need to change the headline now because it was just like one of those things it was like scheduled to go out it was it was in the hole that's right yes anyway so um I will reiterate if they want to make a phablet go ahead I'm not particularly interested I don't need that third column of of live tiles I am kind of like the anti Michael I guess in that particular Camp I just I just think it's I I honestly think it's gonna make Windows Phone too busy so I think it's going to be too many too much information trying to update all at the same time and I just I'm not into it I just I did and 1080p is awesome don't get me wrong um but just the you know the extra the extra tiles and the extra rows I think it's just going to make the screen too busy i'm not going to be able to reach the tiles in the left-hand column with my thumb so that's gonna be annoying it's gonna almost require two-handed use so I'm just I'm homies not playing that so hey what do you think of me is that's a good move for a Windows Phone a bad one can you please get Taylor Martin on the phone and just ask him what he thinks about six inch phone I mean seriously I for example in the case of Windows Phone it's not like in the case of Android for example where look probably one of the things that I loved about the Xperia ZL is how they fit the 5-inch display in that chassis but the reason why I was possible was because these were soft keys you know these are software buttons not hardware button so imagine windows phone with its mandatory three buttons at the bottom plus a six inch display plus the chassis how big is that thing gonna be it's gonna be a monster I mean it's gonna be a big old it's gonna be a monster and I'm like what is the value behind the phone that big well we are getting word that from this source then this is via wpcentral by the way that the 1520 is really thin but it has some weight to it so no surprise to have a weighty device coming up and but in a gigantic battery right and well that is true we have to talk about that because one of the things that going big allows you to do is to throw a huge battery in there i love stevens headlines nokia lumia 1520 tipped to have a big old battery and yeah we're looking at three 3,400 milliamp hours according to the room rumor and that's that's massive dudes I mean that's bigger than the note that's no energy to hear and in the case of Windows Phone I mean when those phone has been using like the smallest batteries in the market they just don't need a big battery that's true so that is a pretty compelling now we have to factor in the 1080p display of course right it was most likely a quad-core processor this is a way this was rumored it what is it Snapdragon 800 as well yeah yeah yeah so and that's exciting to me because by the way my first experience with the Snapdragon 800 has been this g2 and this thing sips battery life it does not gulp it down nice so that's nice so okay you know it in on the one hand nokia has to or windows phone has to compete at the phablet size category if they ignore that sector you know that's stupid they shouldn't get it right yeah and as my article pointed out that's why i said go ahead and make it there's a market for it people want big screens people want you know Lana towels because you have titles you know if you can fit more on the screen then you can no more without having to do it fulfills the glanceable info promise that Windows Phone was built to fulfill right I mean not me but sure yes somebody wanted yes so I think they should play here I just wit I just hope I think my hope is the same as it is for the HTC One max I hope they find a way to make the most intelligent use of that added space not just throw a big screen on there because they can you know like you see in another Android then they're not samsung I mean come on oh man Samsung's the exact wrong example because they're the ones who leverage know are you talking with the Meg talking about the galaxy oh yeah let's let's forget the galaxy mega because I just had the weirdest image in my head right now of three columns of tiles and when I talk about three columns I'm talking about the three midsize you know tiles I'm not talking about the tiny toilet I'll cut obviously though you get like what six of those but when I'm fixturing three columns and like a like a slot machine like each one independently moving of the other ones so that if you have your weather and in like the right column you can move just that one up and you can still see your email on the left-hand side yes I versatility is good write what you know whatever enhancements gdr3 brings to the table will be nice you know these guys figure out how to make split screen on Windows Phone that would be amazing but well and and maybe there will because I mean we see that in RT I never any those windows it oh yes you have the snap feature yes now that's what now that would be smart oh snap and and we've we've heard rumors of Windows RT merging with Windows Phone 8 we have and they and listen I mean I'm lawyer i remember when i read the rumors and i was building the script for the daily i was like what took these guys so long I why didn't why you know if they would have simply figured out you know if they would have simply made both operating systems the same it would allow the you know the those gigantic amounts of applications on Windows Phone to work on Windows RT would have saved the platform hey I don't know every time we get close to talking about our tea I just like feel well why don't we I mean we've got the notice serious to talk about as well I mean come on wait did you so you haven't been looking at your skype feet I was about say I'm a has not must feature either hi Mei is ignorant of my last message or he is just trollin good yeah there's no kids apparently making a tablet and that's exciting anyway speaking of Nokia even ah yeah well it was since you mention it we should note that we have a lot to talk about with regard to nokia tablet do you guys think that that will be released on the 26th or excuse me announced on the 26th or are we still too far away from a possible release for that very brief walk come on microsoft launches things you know they announced things today and launch them a year from now why not well cause it's still not Microsoft you know I think what why not let's get to ya I don't know you listeners you can click the link there we're i think that i need at like a whole two hours before a podcast to actually put my thoughts together on what a Windows RT tablet from Nokia soon to be Microsoft's hardware division means because I don't know what it means III know that Windows RT is something i don't really ever want to use yeah I know that if you know if they take the best of Windows RT and the best of Windows Phone and put them together into something I think there is real potential for something hello there absolutely but I don't know what complexities that would entail you know just with that snap feature imagine running you know games or specific applications from the phone on your tablet and having those work as well on your phone and you know backwards I mean that's really what they needed for RIT to survive and Nokia can add their bevy of applications from the phone to work on the tablet that would make it really compelling yeah i gay I just why and I hate to be a sound like Taylor Martin but I actually wrote an article about about what what does know what wouldn't a nokia tablet offer I just I I don't see it i mean nokia what nokia really brings the table right now is useful for phones their maps their camera there yeah you know they're here services and whatnot i just i don't see any of those being really all that useful on a tablet so i don't know why they would bother don't mention that you have surface down so okay fine Adam I will stop defending your platform let's move on thank you would you please get back in your own kin well we're going to go back into the I have a feeling that we're going to get back into the windows 8 vs windows RT discussion very very shortly because we have a rumored surface 2 event actually I'm sorry it's not rumored it's confirmed we're just not going to it but we will be covering it remotely I don't know if we'll do a live blog or whatever but let's see Microsoft developing Cortana as its new voice assistant this is cool let's end up the windows phone category jumping listener mail and then we'll have a weekend to ourselves guys doing can we call that thing chords or anna not court an y or CH it is imagine Cortana what's the weather like I don't think you're gonna have to do that you get you get the reference right how they yeah I have no idea oh and halo yeah come on okay we have to make it clear let's lay the foundation for our listeners here okay Microsoft Windows Phone 8 has a lot going for it one of those things is not its voice interface if you ask me I think it is the worst voice interface I've ever encountered it's certainly the worst transcription I've ever used right I I hate it uh yeah yeah because I use Google's services all the time and I really love how they work is in terms of voice interface with with you ever used s voice oh my god I'm sorry you're right yes please okay he's no O'Donnell vindicated now you you okay I reflexively retreated from my position because I wanted to be nice to both you and windows phone but no I'm gonna say this on the air and I don't care if you call me crazy s voice is still better than windows phones voice interface you're crazy I know I know but it's true yes and I hate as far as I think as boys then listen we're not going to talk about s voice well we're saying is that you can disagree in the comments if you like listeners guys we can fight about this in the playground after school but it's horrible as it is right now so the fact that Microsoft is building a better voice interface excites me to no end the fact that they were smart enough to code name it after one of their own properties and Cortana if you didn't if you never played halo Cortana is the computer voice inside your head right and so the the it's the ship it's the lady she's attractive guys help me yeah okay i'm not a gamer so you lost me either my halo is like the only game i play just wish I mean that we don't have to call anything like Cortana what's the winner I want to do that I think that would be exciting maybe like can I call you Anna right but you know what probably there's going to be a new way to to address it there seem to be some rules we had a bevy of leaked screenshots emerged this was from phoneArena it looks like oh excuse me this was via phone Arena source original source is eating it and the verge screenshots indicating polling intervals with particular contexts particular contacts you can call weather-alerts calendar night they sank all this kind of stuff that seems to point directly to a more robust voice interface which is only codenamed Cortana I'm sure that won't make it to production which makes me sad but I just wanted to throw it in here and say I'm very excited about it it's one of Windows Phones pain points for me I know Adam Lane would also disagree by the way Adam you you have somebody else in your camp yeah Adam loves it you know he actually go ahead I call it baby Siri so man now don't get me wrong i have sent text messages to people deliberately like really wrong text messages just because they were so funny with what they came i would transcribe something saying you know i'll be there in 20 minutes and you know it'll come back with i'll grow hair for 5 i'll send that text message saying sorry i had to send you know what and listen google has those moments syria has those moments as for they all have their bad days but with Windows Phone that the functionality is so limited like would the fact that you can't pronounce punctuation that you know they just there's a whole lot you can't do it and it's really annoying although the one thing that really impressed me I just a little anecdote here when Rich Dunbar he's a nokia developer ambassador he came to Chicago wants to put on a workshop for us and you know we were communicating by a text at one point and so he sent me a text back sat NP and baby Siri actually read it aloud as no problem and I'm like that's so impressed see that's nice no mean what it mean went okay i have my LG g2 set to set to tell me who's calling bye-bye voice and so the phone rang it was Brandon before she's like new phone call from Brandon minimun 610 million 348,000 I'm like wait what are you doing and I realized she was reading the phone number as an integer you've got to be kidding me how does that get passed the final quality checks anyway that's us so voice voice interface still has a long way to go guys let's let's close up our main part of the podcast and move on to listener mail bambang very nice very nice indeed that is add this is the first piece of listener males going to come from Martin florin and since I have done the speaking for a little while why doesn't our own Adam Dowd read this one allowed oh I should have been logged into the email no you shouldn't it's in the rundown it's not the bottom of the rundown oh it is okay living in and okay pedal up ahead of a flow of Windows Phone hi guys or actually take guys sorry Martin hey guys I think that the new iphone 5c is just an opportunity for Apple to sell a low-quality iphone 5 with lower production costs and get higher margins that's okay for me because I'm not buying one alrighty then but what I cannot understand is why nobody is talking about the bad design of the cases the non cutout is laughable what is your opinion on this greetings Martin cos nth MIT meinem Nexus 7 oh that's my nexus 7 said with nexus 7 yes indeed march from the compass in the country i just returned from so yes Martinez referring to the case that goes around the iphone 5c that makes it look like a crock a shoe you with it with the holes that let the the bottom is the phone casing color shine through the case color yeah just for some context for our listeners if you haven't watched the live hangout of the of the apple event they've dear the end Taylor Martin it's it's gold yeah that's brilliant it's ok so a lot of people have been talking about this and I think Apple achieved something interesting not that they needed more buzz but I think it's always cool when a company makes a bold choice that not everyone is going to like clearly I tend to like it because I like do dual tone colors but I can understand where people are coming from where it looks like oh yeah the iphone c is 5 c is for iphone 5 cheese grater you know it's like i get i get that it kind of looks like it's wearing a polka dot dress or it looks like a water filter or you know whatever so I don't know guys what do you think about the aesthetics of the casing design you know I'm surprised that I'm surprised that um have you noticed that the holes don't cover part of the iphone name at the back yeah so it's like I pump on I look at that and I'm like how did this cross quality control yeah cuz Steve Jobs isn't around anymore I am serious I just looked at that and I'm like man what would have Steve said he would have been like you would have had a hair all psyched to march around in his grave right now maybe just maybe I may be there the that could have been a big old bubble there I i guess i guess i would have liked the whole concept of the cases that they would have brought more patterns than just little dots you know more than just a croc phone um yeah but but but but but but the circles play nicely with the new ios7 interface elements with the circular buttons the circular signal strength the done yeah true fine I guess you know it would have been cool of like the blue case would have been you know squares and you know the other one would have been triangles and I don't know it was not so heinous like a like a mall kiosk you know go get it you know I guess I guess I've never been a case guy um and so I don't know I i don't really like it it's like for example i've seen other cases like for the galaxy for the galaxy s4 for example where you know the whole text samsung galaxy s4 is well printed on the back and so even even the iphone 5s case um has apple and everything well printed on the back side just I don't know it looks kind of cheesy that I'd love to you know actually hold it before I get an opinion about it i just i don't like that iphone text being cover that I'll tell you that yeah yeah that's that's pretty ugly and and I think we've already kind of discussed the whole low-quality iphone 5 thing earlier in the podcast so yeah over it a little bit yeah but yeah the case is pretty any I guess it's okay but it's it's predicted the one thing I will find i will take issue with Martin's characterization of the current state of the dialogue though because I cannot understand why nobody is talking about the bad design of the cases Martin you look hard enough plenty of people are talking about those cases that I am so tired of my twitter feed being loaded up with people making fun of this thing i think you know i think it could have looked better I don't think it looks as bad as people are making it out to be I think people are looking for things to hate about the 5c and are finding it in a bold design that you know not everyone has to like us and you know what there is a thing there's a good point being made that those exposed parts of the iphone casing it stand a very good chance of staining or fading or doing whatever as a result of dirt or exposure to whatever so it will be interesting to see in about two years how many iphone 5 c's look like they have a polka dot pattern screen printed on them and then once you take the case off then it won't say Oh it'll say I I knee oh by the way I'm you know that is a very good point Michael um for those of you that owned the iphone 3gs i guess the reason why i became such a case hater was because whenever you would put a case on that phone the lint around the case would become start so that would become stuck to the to the glossy plastic member then yeah okay so so i would definitely not use that iphone 5c with the case well you know it which would be great and normally I would agree with you because I'm not a case guy either but in this case the case if you get it in a different color it enhances the appeal of the phone or a tech center just makes the phone more your own without the whole idea i guess so i guess that the point being is sadly I don't know that polycarbonate is got hey even my HTC One X has you know I actually got a case for it because I lend it to uh to a friend of mine for a couple of days and I just you know I give it gave him the phone with the case and that you know when he when he gave it back to me the phone look intact but the whole back has all these marks from the lint and I can't clean it off hmm alright cannot wipe it off of course the 1x the 1x is matt polycarbonate this is glossy so well after i have the same problem with the 3gs you know that's right yes so I don't see ya we'll see and it's gonna be interesting I mean according to applets and it has this special coating so let's just see why don't we stick with case discussion and I mean why don't you read the short one hear from our friend Jace crowson ok so hey pocket now I have a question regarding the iphone 5s cases how do you think the big cases like lifeproof and otterbox are going to make their cases cover the front of the phone and still have the touch ID work really curious to how they would do this Thanks oh you know Jace thank you for asking the same question I've been asking myself really cool that is yeah okay so bye Jace by the way I am and I am a lifeproof fre user and the reason why is because i used the iphone for running and I sweat like a pig um so it is really easy for me to soak the phone and that's the reason why I use that special case and yes I've been asking myself the same question um the the thing is you don't really to my knowledge touch ID is something that you can turn off um and to my understanding what you'll most likely have to do because there's just no way to insulate that special portion of the of the button because the button on itself is definitely non-permeable meaning you you can definitely get the phone the phone's internals wet through the button so you know now the good thing about the lifeproof phrase that it's got this like little box um this like little plastic that actually does the home button pressing so most likely you will just have to disable touch ID while you use the case and if you use it permanently because that's the we like to protect your phone then you'll most likely have to compromise and not use touch ID it sounds like the most likely explanation at me as well yeah absolutely because i was gonna say the current boxes they just have the button that kind of hovers over and you push that button to push the other but exactly yeah one thing now one thing is for example um the touch ideas as a capacitive sensor so if if lifeproof would make that casing transparent because it actually sort of like takes a photo of your fingerprint um and you know I just I don't know how the chrome ring would detect the heat but then again you know the plastic over is able to detect your finger as you touch the display so it would be really interesting if the engineers would figure out a way to make that whole casing transparent and give it a try most likely they will and bring just another version of life proof for the 5s and have touch ID work that way but most likely your current case will you'll have to compromise and just switch it off the good thing is your current case is still usable with the 5s yes you know what case will you have to put on to make it work with gloves I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm just trolled searles got a troll all right item I was like 500 milliseconds late on my laughs on that and it's because I'm sitting here I'm all bummed out you guys are talking with these cool things like fingerprint scanners my 5c is not going to have them I'm really really bummed out about that I wish that was on the 5c as well where the 5c you know I like colors colors all right let's move on the neutral head goes you don't like gold come on no this is my problem that's uh thanks for the a for the email there Russell let's move on to Christopher sorry let's thank for the email there Jase let's move on to Russell's email guys I want to know your thoughts on how Apple is going to manage the changes to iOS 7 for the general consumer I don't think general consumer knows what's coming and I'm not sure how they're going to react are people going to see this update for their device come through and install it and just be hit with all the changes or will Apple rollout iOS 7 is coming info emails ahead of time to help ease and ready them Christopher this is a cool question yeah Russell Fletcher sorry yeah she always Apple always does this they always send an email the same day that the update comes and they'll give you links to go learn more about the operating system um they always do that they even do it they even do that for us developers um because i have a developer account um and in the case I know I know I I guess you know probably the cool thing about iOS four you know the general user the general consumer is that well it's just aesthetically different but overall you know if you don't know that control centers there you won't really miss it because you can still go to settings and just switch everything on and off what's so funny my mother and father I think both of them still don't know that notification center is up there every time I come home to visit I'm like hey swipe down from the top like oh what's all this like actually nevermind so yeah you're right there's a lot of features that just kind of read under the level yet Ernest show me that on your Lumia 1020 your moms say oh no M dick burn let's go I'm gonna fly to Honduras just like it's slang ok I think we got I've got friends at the airport trust me they could time oh dear God alright so before we get into that thank you that was there was a good question Russell thank you and let's finish out with Adam doubt reading Christopher drummers mail about windows phone when Windows Phone was first announced many were put off by the limitations OMS were restricted to Microsoft obviously did this to ensure a consistent experience across devices which enlarge has worked but now we see OEMs okay nokia have more freedom with the UI lumia devices are now able to change the default camera app or the to nokia smart camera pro cam do you think we will see more customization of Windows Phone say HTC blinkfeed at start or isn't or as an interactive lock screen or Samsung's bevy of random features thanks for taking my mail and I love what you all are doing Christopher drummers sent from windows mail yeah and I will say this Christopher thank you for the email and before Adam you lend your response I will say this is already happening Christopher if you check out our review of the HTC 8xt face print pressing the camera button optionally can launch you into HTC's custom camera app Samsung has the same thing they have written their own camera app for the for windows phone on the TV s neo also for sprint and they have also started bundling in some lower level stuff like a tea beam which is a port of their galaxy beam feature under Windows Phone so yeah I think we are seeing the the reins kind of relax around windows phone as time goes on yeah and on my on my lumia when I'm when I'm going back to geocaching again because that's my second second self whenever I'm navigating to a cash it'll ask me do I want to navigate with here maps or with google maps so and it asked me every time I wish there was a way I could set it as a default he closed his integrity of the choice yeah it's take your exercise three man just take your Galaxy s3 that's the way I couldn't add I could I could talk for hours about the geocaching experience in the s3 but anyway but it's it's fantastic i'll just put it that way but um yeah so I mean there is it there's definitely already some customizations going there i'd like to see a little bit more i'd like to see them borrow a page from androids book where you can actually set those default you know ask every time or you know make it permanent that type of thing but I mean for now just the fact that we can do that is is much better because I mean on on the Lumia 900 you you're stuck with I think it's the the Bing Maps stuff yes right yeah yeah we've seen flexibility and be injected into the system and I think that's nice because I think one of the things we've learned from Android is that yes it's possible to overdo it with manufacturer customizations and skins but it's also still able to go micro managing sure but it's also possible to go the other way it's also possible to be like well you can't do any customization the only customization dues and hardware so eat it you know in the facts and you know going back to the point that Christopher makes at the beginning when he's like when Windows Phone was first announced I remember that event like it was yesterday I hated it and many were many were put off by the limitations OEMs were restricted to and you know Microsoft made a compelling point they were like okay so we are going to be the anti I Android the anti iphone but we're going to be our own thing that's the mix of the two because we're gonna control the software so therefore you won't have to wait for software updates and then we have mr. Dowd who's still waiting for Aurora and so I guess that yeah it makes sense at the beginning uh I'm just sad that it never really worked them I'm sad that it never really it made it makes so much sense at the beginning for Microsoft to be like I we want to control the software for everybody to get timely updates and they never pulled it off right um you know it's just sad so yeah it would it's great to see that OEMs are finally being like you know what Microsoft you never figured that out with the carrier so we're just gonna do our own thing I just wish they would do you know more than just the camera button and you know what things like I will say this man even with those limited changes boy deity vests and the 8xt were easily both my least favorite windows phones to review ever because of the performance hit that Windows Phone took now I'm not saying that it's definitively as a result of these software modifications it may very well be a nun optimized Snapdragon 400 problem it may be something else but if it is because of the allowing these manufacturers to make those modifications it's a really bad step because Windows Phones one of its key differentiators sorry to use the overused term has been that it is really responsive no matter what hardware it's running on and that just wasn't the case for either of those phones so i don't know if it was sprint i don't know if it was manufacturers i don't know if it was i I think it is because i mean III edited the review for the Lumia 521 that a hundred-dollar you nokia from from from the Home Shopping Network yes and you know I looked at open all the raw footage that Adam sent me and you know the phone looked like a breeze through everything and there was no customization here aside from the Nokia ones that we already know about you know at least some of some of them and some of the things were actually watered down for that specific phone but the phone worked well I mean for a hundred dollars I was like man this is cheaper than a go phone yeah in some cases you know it's true and there's a lot more to explore in that in that area and I'm really looking forward to the next windows phone update just in terms of broadening the platform's abilities and taking advantage of some of this new hardware we're seeing so i also want to thank Christopher Russell Jase and Martin and everyone else who wrote in this week last week and the week before we're sorry to have waited so long to get back to listener mail but a lot has been going on as it usually is and don't worry guys we're going to have another special edition listener mail so maybe your 3-month old mail will get read on one of these episodes and even if it doesn't that we really want to let you know we appreciate you writing in and we're sorry we can't to always get to your mail but we do love it and we read every piece so thank you oh yes podcast is gonna be you know dear pocketnow team what do you think about this new Siri feature that Apple's baby deer pocket that team I've been considering the HTC evo anyway I think that kickstand can really be a big thing it really be a game-changer well I think guys that it's it's Friday afternoon I've got to edit this thing and then I'm introducing my girlfriend too trek to the wrath of khan tonight or reintroducing her to it so i think yeah exciting what are you guys doing it's date night huh awesome what about you Adam oh my god I have I you know I have absolutely killed myself coming up to this podcast I'd like I am even brushed my hair yet today so I think that's what I'm going to start with um but beyond that i'm gonna do a whole lot of nothing that sounds amazing hi miss I've got a 8gb to finish for the galaxy s4 oh yes is that going up tonight uh yeah it's gonna go up tonight just probably a little late it's been you know it's been just crazy we've had a lot of thunderstorms over the last couple of days and it's been blowing the power from my from my the area where i live at every single day it's crazy well raised with keeping the lights on over there I'm thunderstorms here too but hopefully you know if power goes out and you get bored use one of your many battery-powered devices and send me a text oh god I've got to go to fedex to get you phones okay we gotta get guys that is gonna do it for this episode of the weekly thank you for joining me co-hosts and you should find us on Twitter hi May hi my underscore Rivera Adam at dead technology as always i am at captain two phones you can also follow pocket now officially at pocket now on twitter as baka now on instagram facebook and google+ and you can share opinions with other listeners online then that sound fun forums pocketnow.com if you enjoy the podcast please leave us a review on iTunes or Xbox music which helps us get discovered and if you have a topic question or suggestion for the show or you just want to say hi you can email us please do podcast at pocketnow.com thanks for listening we will see you next 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