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we're basically Millennials right well we are Neal's I'm not you're not right but all right and Josh and I are technically Millennials you guys are Millennials and I am not complaining I think that okay so I think in my case it's just straight up I there's no other way for me to say that I'm there's no there's no way I can see I'm not a millennial when I have a mic like this on my face and then sync you're fine can you do some Justin Timberlake or something I'll try think of it I'm trying to give a song okay so while we were getting ready for the show I was trying to think of a song that would like be good for the intro given what topics we have for today but give me a second I'm gonna go ahead and retweet this out real quick come and hang out with us there you go and that has been tweeted and I was trying to think like okay so what if we do it this way clearly we all want really fast internet so when it comes to 5g whoa need that way going to go into a cop attacked by laughs by the way meet the microphone and move to one side Oh perfectly fine with me I am NOT able to do that I have to be much more careful because I have this mic right next to my mouth so so ya might have to mute my microphone from time to time in any case 5g is on the topic for this week as we talk about more phones that might be coming with the next generation of mobile internets however there are a few different competitors in line but one of them in particular that you might be expecting may not be on the docket at least for now we dive into that in our main topic today but there's plenty to talk about in our news segment where we talk about the Motorola P 30 which looks really familiar but as far as how phones are made to look we also have a couple of leaks a little bit later about phones you might be incredibly excited about and then finally we also have some talk about Apple as we explore a couple of the features that may have that they may have some problems keeping in iOS 12 or potentially hopefully coming back in the next phone but we're not too sure yet it is the weekly on this day August 17th of 2018 episode 318 I hope I got that one right in any case we are here with Brandon minimun and Jaime Rivera I am Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody and I want to start off this show real quick by just it is going to be one of those this is gonna be one of those moments where III embellish a little bit and I get into something that I'm just incredibly passionate about that has nothing to do with the show can I just say I watched crazy rich Asians last night I fired so it's so good like okay far be it for me to talk about representation because it is a hot topic with any demographic these days and everybody's stance and cause is important it's just great to feel like it's arm it's as an asian-american it's to feel like a real part of a certain movement that's happening because there's a there's a huge implication behind this movie that just came out and but one thing I want to point out just to keep it as relevance at the pocket not weekly as possible there's representation across the board women are represented in a very very lovely manner Asians of course asian-americans and yes those are two different demographics that the movie focuses on but the tech community is also represented as well there's a character in the movie who is working on a start-up that's more that's that's kind of a lighter representation however there's also and I'm not going to give any spoilers but there is a youtuber who is in the movie and the reason why I was so excited about is because okay there's that moment in Avengers infinity war every every nerd and every geek understands this wonderful part of watching a movie that they really love and are really anticipating is why there's a moment in infinity war when Captain America reveals himself and you hadn't seen him since civil war you know all that and you're really anticipating him coming on to the camera and they make him come into the camera in a very awesome white and everyone in the theater when I watched infinity war clapped and were just so happy to see him like it's that kind of fandom as an Asian American when I saw people like Ken Jong awkwafina Michelle Yeoh come up on camera my elation cannot be better expressed than just oh my god this is so amazing and it's just great to be able to see something like that like then and I'm not even gonna get into the politics of it or anything like that everyone else talks about that already it's just great to be able to watch something like that and it is important to to to be able to see yourself and your stories being shown in cinema because it normalizes what used to be stereotypes into things that are really in real life these are IRL stories that were that we're getting represented on screen and you know what like I've never been on the other side of any of these representation causes or stances I understand where this pride comes from and I'm just really happy to see that this movie is getting the recognition it deserves and it's at 96% on brought Tomatoes well deserved it's a fun movie yeah I will definitely look into it I mean I'm part of a mine already as well so definitely sure if you're not into rom-coms I don't blame you for not whining so watch it but what I will say is it is genuinely funny so alright so I do want to start my chicken with a high me real quick because I know Brendon had a couple of things he wanted to say so I want to make sure I end with Brendon okay check in what oh I thought that the term chicken was pretty implied but I just want to see how you have been since we were I guess what David Cogan which is really fun podcast is probably with all honesty like dude you've got me signed up for every single podcast going forward I I don't think I have ever had so much fun not just being part of a show but eventually watching it again I you know it's it was the conversation was great the fact that you know somebody who watches our content was then part of it and got to provide his own unique perspective you know from a user like that the problem is we all live in a bubble if you think about it we all have all the phones we want on the table we can test one phone today and then move to the other but for the consumer that's not the way it works you buy one phone and you're stuck with it after those 14 days up until you're able to swap it and from the experiences of my brother and my sister just hearing how much it takes them to cancel a contract to move to a carrier to try a different phone dude it's like really nightmarish and so I love the perspective of a consumer so for me dude like that was probably the best podcast ever not just the pocket our best cast ever and I am I'm having I've been sick I've been horribly sick since since Saturday so if you hear me mute the microphone or go mute for a bit it's just because I'm coughing that's the reason I have to keep my voice down but hey it's it's great to be back alright awesome and yeah I I gave I made to to our to our listeners and to our viewers if you are ever in a little bit of a little bit of a funk I am the tag I yes yes I just drink as much green tea as you possibly can right now it's if I would have been if I would have not had this last night I would be miserable today man you have no idea how much I thank you for the tips dude no worries one more thing I don't recommend it for everybody especially if you have a very sensitive palate but oil of oregano just drops of oil of oregano is really good for you but it is really spicy after all or EGNOS of spice so do please take with caution if you are sick it does help all right so Brandon had a couple of things that he wanted to say and I think it's gonna be a great way of getting into our device talk for today's podcast so Brandon take it away okay great so every most review organizations get review units like one or two phones usually one and so on so in the case of the note 9 Jaime has the has the note 9 and Josh has went to but I don't and I you know played with one when we were at unpacked and I went to a t-mobile store two days ago and played with one but guys I just can't decide if I want to spend 999 dollars personally on this phone I need your help you guys both have one you've been using it for like a week should I buy this phone oh my god so there was a video that was gonna go live but then when we swap the plans of the weekly going live right now it's not gonna go live until tonight everyone so a shameless plug and it's literally been my initial experience I don't know about you Josh I I have large hands I have I don't enjoy the size of the note but just because of everything this phone is able to do I don't care like I seriously don't care I'm kind of in the same boat the the phone is too tall it's just too tolls I felt that way about the note 8 as well so this is not a new note 7 was the best I loved the Brandon that that note 7 fan Edition video because it's so true for me that was like the best note ever sorry oh no no it's fine um but yeah I do think it is that the phone is too tall and the handling yes I can look past it because of what the phone is capable of 100% I totally agree with that I actually think that using the s-pen as the marketing strategy is what Samsung should do moving forward but for anybody who actually cares about the performance of their phones the S pen's not the story the story is the cooling and it's more tact it's hard to talk about that because it's not really easy to get the layman or the common user to really understand why that's so important I've had literally no slowdowns on this phone III do a lot with this I've been gaming I've been multitasking I use Samsung notes I've been riding with the s-pen and I've had no problems whatsoever with the performance and I think that is probably going to stay that way unless I like overload the phone with data and the storage and whatnot because that happens sometimes but I really think the cooling is doing its job like the phone gets warm yeah it doesn't slow down it ok interesting so I've had that same experience actually the phone is only heated up once but I have another story this is actually another video that's coming next week shameless plug went to run some tests with David Cogan we went to test data speeds on this thing compared to devices like the 1 plus 6 compared to devices like the iPhone 10 oh my god so I'm just gonna give you an idea the iPhone 10 intern areas of Midtown with no traffic like there was nobody there I was getting around 40 to 50 down on the iPhone 10 on what area on t-mobile ok I was getting 60 down on the oneplus 6 because it's got the Qualcomm Snapdragon a tat 45 so it's obviously got better antennas it's got 4 by 4 my mo and everything guess how much the one the the Galaxy Note 9 was doing well I saw your Instagram so I saw my Instagram story 1 109 D down how's that possible I was possible let's kick a bit LTE so that's the thing the snapdragon 845 ever since the eight thirty five gigabit LTE has been available on devices that have the you know you know the latest flagship chips but the 8:45 is like I would say like a category higher and then it's got four by four my mo and then carrier aggregation and so many things and I was expecting the one plus six to perform the same and it didn't the Galaxy Note nine literally smoked but I mean smoked every phone that was there and I've had cases like for example if I want to if I want to grab the train for example have to cross the street I have I crossed the street and the only phone that's still connected to my Wi-Fi is the note nine okay so when you when you're on these cellular data tests was the speed did it kind of spike to one ninety and go down it started it it started at you know slowly gradually going up and then BOOM 190 and staying there wow that's awesome and and so we is so coded you so you know David Koch ins the unlocker he's like dude I have to test this and so we ran in some some of the codes where you check what antennas the phone is on we that we then downloaded files and made the comparison by downloading files it wasn't just the speedtest.net thing but ever since that whole okhla thing came out where that you know you know that i've always made this topic about how I hate until modems a lot on iPhones mainly because battery life is terrible but I didn't know that there was such a difference when it came to data speeds and to be fully honest with you because I always juggle between an iPhone and and you know an Android phone I always use both like I have noticed so many cases where the iPhone does terribly in network performance particularly here in New York and where I have no issues so ever since I've been using the one plus six I have had zero issues with connectivity but now with the note 9 it's even it's like twice better man hmm well I think that your problem with the iPhone 10 is that you're holding it wrong and so for me it's like you know that they came up with the whole okhla study and so I obviously checked what modem I have on my iPhone I noticed that I do have the you know the bad the Intel modem one and you know so I got myself another T well you send me the t-mobile simba Brandon you send me the other t-mobile send that I need it doesn't work so I have to t-mobile Sims right or both they both have the same data capabilities according to their plans we ran the tests David had other t-mobile Sims as well we also ran the tests with AT&T actually we got better data speeds on t-mobile in certain areas then this is not me recommending t-mobile by the way because I'm here in Queens and t-mobile is not the best year so but in the certain sectors of Midtown that we were at like t-mobile was killing it man it sounds like to me obviously the modem has a lot to do with it but I feel like t-mobile as as an underdog has invested a lot in major cities yes to give you like incredible data speeds I wonder what the note 9 would do on AT&T in the same location any idea yes yes so we week so we try it out with the note 9 on AT&T but so the data speeds were like 60 down which wasn't bad it was still better than the iPhone but not like t-mobile yeah I'm still better than the iPhone and so you know it's one of those things where it's like ok so you're paying so going back to your topic of why choose this phone so the question is what are you paying a thousand dollars for here you're paying for a notch design that pretty much every phone has now you're paying for a good camera that's not the best in what we have today what else is here for $1000 I think that the only selling point for me when it comes to the iPhone 10 is the size is the fact that I have a flagship with a with a large size display I guess we could say in a small form-factor so it's very comfortable to use I like the iPhone 10 for that let's not forget those add emojis though let me just say oh come on we're sorry the cookies I apologize sorry well you also forgot the fruit icon on the back that adds that adds like 500 bucks so yes yeah the deeply designed in California right what are you paying for here so it starts at double the storage to start you have expandable storage capabilities yes fix me I'm not talking to you you know that's a real problem by the way I've been hitting that button too much oh yeah so you have the s-pen which I wouldn't care about the s-pen before but now it's become like the coolest thing because of the Bluetooth functionality um you've got the best display on a smartphone hands-down no room for comparison I even have the Oppo find X here by the way you tilt it to the side and then it becomes like a little purpley uh like honestly the best display in the market right now is the Galaxy Note 9 and so you've got the best of this the best of that the best data speeds the battery life has been great so it's not that I I say it warrants $1000 I feel no phone is worth that amount of money I mean full amount of the more powerful product but if I had to shell 1000 bucks between the iPhone 10 in the galaxy note 9 I would go for the galaxy note 9 it's so funny as you play with it in the camera there it looks like you are honing a cafeteria tray it's just so I have to agree but you know to help you make up your mind we haven't published our review by the way listeners and viewers because I know there are some reviews out there but the thing is this is not final software we were warranted that by Samsung the moment they gave us the unit so we don't make reviews out of prototype software we wait for the final thing and then we tell you and I have been having issues with the camera hanging but it's happened mostly on third-party apps like Instagram stories so I can't say it's a phone problem but I also feel that it deserves final software we before we make the review so let's just sum cut to the chase here should I buy this phone next week will you use the s-pen sometimes yeah okay then do it because if not there's the galaxy s 9 Plus which is almost the same phone yeah it's largely the same phone it's missing that cooling which is what my point was but I don't think that you're going to actually load the phone so much that you would require it you know there's probably there's probably the level of people who are going to require the cooling might not be too common so it's okay to give that a pass and I guess the the question that any that I'll ask anybody who asks me if they should get the note 9 is what are you using right now and that's going to that's a good question yes yeah what are you using right now because that will determine if the note 9 is actually going to be the worthy upgrade that warrants that money if you're using any of the last two generations of either samsung line I'm gonna go with probably not you probably don't need the note 9 it will be great if you can afford it go for it that's already spent so much money on the last two and I would probably say the same thing with the iPhone 10 because you spend all that money on the iPhone 10 do you want to spend that again for a new phone I don't know maybe the iPhone cents already good enough for you it's not going to be enough to convert somebody conversion rates from one to the other are going to be tough in the these next couple of years because the prices are so high yeah let me play let me play along with your thought exercise you just asked me where what are you upgrading from and the answer is a one plus six so what is your answer to that I would stay with the one plus six really yes you clearly it from someone for someone who has bought a phone and you chose the one plus six you clearly value value you're not just wanting everything you clearly value value this is not going to be the value you were looking for so the thing is is this phone $500 more worth in features mm-hmm that's when it gets tough you already made it the thing is by by choosing the one plus six as someone who put the money down you've already answered that question for yourself that's the thing so if you are already at the one plus six you've already made it clear to yourself that the S Pen is not really too important to you the cooling is not too important to you the four thousand milliamp hour battery is not too important to you because the one plus six is already providing the experience you require and here's the thing here's the thing like the one plus six is great for gaming the one plus six has more RAM it's got dual sim capabilities and the one plus six dude the battery life is epic AF so it depends on what you value like in my case battery life for me is probably one of the most important things in a phone I hate having to carry battery packs so for me uh you know it's just I don't think there are $500 more phone here that's the thing well well let me just clarify something I didn't get the oneplus six because of the value I think that's a great added benefit I would love to pay less for something at pasta I got the one plus six because I love oxygen OS I think it's a true improvement over Android I like how it looks I think it's beautiful and I got the self white like Josh I mean I hate that self wait I know you don't you can love the red I'll is just the real cool it can't fault that yeah it is so cool but here's the thing so yes you you've Alice so if you value oxygen OS do you know what it's like to move into the Samsung user interface that's not necessarily the best experience that is the problem so if so here's the thing gaming is already great on the 1 plus 6 again it's just if for $500 more you can buy yourself a regular sized iPad and Apple pencil and the 1 plus 6 and you still have $100 to spare Wow true oh yeah alright guys so um we did talk about the no 9 for a little while now so for our for our first segment on this show I'm gonna go ahead and jump right into it it'll be a little bit of a lightning round because all of these all of these topics I'm really excited to talk about because I think they all are pretty awesome in terms of just like what we can talk about with them now I don't know how much we want to talk about this there's no segue to it I will say hi me talked about the iPhone 10 and speaking of the iPhone 10 or at least its design motorola had one of the phones leaked recently and okay so it is the Motorola P 30 and it looks really no year and I guess my number first let me get into a couple of the details the p30 packs a 6.2 inch display with full HD resolution and a 19 by 9 aspect ratio it also comes with the Snapdragon 636 so you're not looking at the highest and specifications clearly the phone has been officially introduced in China so it's kind of we're not too sure where this is going to land in terms of markets outside of Asia outside of where we saw I get leaked as six gigabytes of RAM 64 and 128 gigabyte storage versions with micro SD card expansion and then there are two cameras on the back one is 16 and one is 5 while the front-facing camera is a 12 megapixel unit it does come with a headphone jack that's one thing I did I didn't want to highlight because the Moto Z 3 which I am currently in the middle of reviewing does not have that so a mid Ranger gets the headphone jack but aside from that the last thing to talk about is the 3000 milliamp hour batteries so talk about those cameras on the back they are in a particular position that is all too familiar for us and now but then you turn the phone around and the notch at the top also looks completely familiar how do we feel about this phone it doesn't matter to you that phones like this come out that's so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna outright say that it's a blatant copy of anything but you know when you feel so when you feel that the device feels so familiar and the way that it looks what kind of feelings does that bring up in you Brandon go first I don't know I don't I don't mind I think the iPhone 10 has a pretty nice design and as is the case with every iPhone to ever exist the six to twelve months after the iPhone comes out the industry makes a shift to have certain looks that that resemble the iPhone because for a lot of people and in a lot of countries the iPhone is still a gold standard maybe less so over time but in a lot of countries that is the case so when I see an Android phone that looks like an iPhone I don't really mind I think it looks kind of cool it's kind of like I mean there's only so many ways to orient cameras you can go to cameras you can go horizontal or vertical that's it you can't put them diagonally you can't put them one over here and one over here or whatever here one over here it's just there or there so there's only so many permutations of stacking the camera and the knotch you know you guys know that I don't really mind the knotch I think it's a cool way to maximize screen to body ratio so I think it looks like a cool phone and Motorola software usually is pretty lightweight and the Snapdragon 636 it's gonna be fine it's gonna get the job done oh man I I just you know for me from a former Motorola user of many years it's just I think it's I can't say that it's Lenovo I don't know who is doing this I just it pisses me off that the company that came up with his irons like the razor they came up with designs like the Moto X they came up with so many innovative concepts that I feel it was either bad marketing or what I don't care what went wrong I just know that the Motorola that pretty much got me into the cellphone industry many years ago who didn't want a Vader or a Vulcan or a star tack or stuff like that so this is what you're making of the most iconic this cell phone designs that I've ever seen because for me they are this is what you're making of it you're making a ripoff of another company like seriously that's why there's so many implications behind it and just in case anybody who's watching the live right now or watching the video didn't notice I brought out the Moto X I want to say this is the 2014 edition the hump on the Oppo find X is literally the same as that yeah yeah exactly oh yeah that's true huh right up here yeah this was when this was this was at a time when Motorola really liked okay I get that the Moto mods are supposed to be a way of customizing the devices and whatnot but when it's when it's an intrinsic part of the phone and not just something you kind of plaster on it gives the phone more of an identity and yeah it's that level of design that people really crave for because it gives it gives not only the line but also the user a certain identity I even have my life's motto down here the next moment engraved on the bottom of this phone and you know bamboo I was all about bamboo phones back then including the one placement yeah this is a great phone yeah and I just get really Malik air too much that the phone resembles something so much because there are a couple there's one there's one remark in the top chat right now over at the YouTube channel Renato Laporte's says maybe this is just what Asia wants they want a mid-range iPhone 10 running Android so if the design of the iPhone 10 is desirable but of course there's no Android on it then okay I kind of get where some people might be coming from that there's a demand for a phone that has the look of the iPhone 10 and then it's running Android so that's really just that that's what I think is happening here and the implications of the markets being in Asia and what they want those are all things that we can speculate upon but ultimately Motorola just in general I just I don't know I don't know where they have I don't know what has happened I don't know where they've gone the Moto X was a great line that ended up getting relegated into the Moto Z the Moto Z's not that bad it's never been bad it just isn't as exciting as the Moto X used to be so to see the p30 come out it's like I don't know maybe this is the culmination of these feelings I've had for the last couple of years Jaime just dropped off but I remember him telling me something very interesting this was like five years ago it had to do with the perception of somebody that could afford an iPhone kind of like I don't know if you like cars Josh but like when I'm walking down the street and I see a Lamborghini I think wow that guy's rich or that guy's hot whatever like that's a cool art and I think the iPhone in many countries had that amount of cachet yeah 100% and so like and that still exists even though you know there are so many other great phone choices and Android phones that are as premium if not better than the iPhone in certain respects but especially like in China and countries that are more third-world having an iPhone or even something that looks like an iPhone it isn't an iPhone is something that people respect yeah and it's clearly something that they respond to so that's the reason why we see it a lot more so I also find it funny that they also have the color gradient from the p20 so it's like clearly they're trying to think of all of these things that people really enjoyed of past phones and now Moto's like we'll do our own version of it so I'm not I'm not necessarily mad that the phone looks like the iPhone 10 or even has the p20 color gradient but it's just like you know it's it's it's I can see both sides speaking of premium phones and what what a premium phone can be to a user we had another leak come out and it's fur phone that I think everyone's really excited for we have now the Google pixel 3xl getting spotted in the wild so we not we're not too sure exactly what date it's going to happen there's some speculation that's going to be like October 4 or something like that but when is very clear and it's that because of changes in androids architecture the notch is going to be something that Android addresses in the future and we're expecting it on the new Google pixel now the the image that we have in the particular article shows that it was it was a phone that was spotted in a street cart in Toronto which i think is pretty funny it's a large phone that is not recognizable compared to phones we have right now which is why this leak is is interesting but what people are saying is again there's a huge notch at the top now I don't know where the conversation can go with that we haven't gone already like people are always saying either they don't like the notch or they don't mind it like you Brandon do you think that the pixel having the knotch is going to be it's gonna be polarizing for sure but obviously the pixel is going to be the flagship moving all Android phones forward is the notch going to be I don't know do you want it to be smaller should it be bigger should be you know it is this too much for you there's there's got to be a reason for it like at like the inclusion of additional sensors because you know if you're just putting a camera up there you don't need to have such a large notch if you add an earpiece you need to make it bigger if you add an LED notification you need to make a bigger if you're doing IR scanner or a flood illuminator it needs to be bigger yet so I think maybe the pixel 3xl and the pixel 3 will have some surprise sensors up there my guess is something to replicate what face ID does on the iPhone 10 that's the only explanation because you don't need to have a like a one inch by like a one inch by like half inch knotch unless there's some additional sensors with that damn inch down that's a huge not the Holy Mary Mother of notches as Tony posted on on the news like literally had to make that joke on the daily I just couldn't avoid it we're talking about the sorry guys it seems data speeds don't like me but yeah oh my god those pixel rumors are still talking about the Moto more time I don't mean that that one photo came out on a streetcar in Toronto of all things yeah I am hoping that this is a joke honestly like there are a lot of separate rumors that are claiming that that this phone is just the dud than Motorola threw out there it wouldn't be in sorry that Motorola that Google threw out there it wouldn't be the first time I remember there were so many rumors of the iPhone 5 if you remember so many rumors of the iPhone 5 being this like teardrop iPhone 6 style design and when we least expect the iPhone 5 was a completely different phone than what we saw in the rumors so you know I wouldn't blame Google by using duds or fake devices to test internals and have the chassis actually be different I do hope that it what Brandon is saying is the case I would love if this was a dud because now like I understand that the pixel 3x I was gonna be coming out I want to hold the dud phone out but I I think what Brandon is saying is is where I'm going to land on this there better piece there better be a reason there better be a reason and I one thing I really disliked in the short amount of time that I used the iPhone 10 was that you had to swipe down on either side of the notch to get a couple of different functions don't don't like this at all if I'm using it in one hand and I gotta go to the other side like that's just you know it's is the buttons like so if you okay so you probably won't remember this Josh for Brandon does like you remember whenever you needed to to reset like to put the iPhone in DFU mode in previous times or you would have to make a play with the home button and the power button and the volume exactly okay so it turns out that the button combinations now the other time the phone just completely hung I went to an Apple store and it turns out that the fun combinations are now completely different they're a matter of how much time you hold one button and then how much time you hold the other and so it's one of those things where the Siri button is now the power button and then if you want to turn off the phone you have to hold two buttons down and for me that's just so ridiculous for the sake of not adding an extra button that thus things like it's but it it literally takes me five minutes to turn off the iPhone 10 because I have to remember the button combination to skip this slide to shut off it is the stupidest thing like for me for me there are certain design decisions that are definitely stupid that slide from one side or the next it won't be new I mean I think Android uh what was it after Ice Cream Sandwich Android jelly bean I think yes had this where one side was like the the quick toggles and then the other was notifications for me that was stupid as well so I don't know man I I feel that we've still got better serve a purpose like we heard rumors of three cameras that so I asked in the comments like what do you so I saw some like crazy funny comments over the question of the day and one of them was like oh my god that thing will be like a soul unlock or like this doesn't just don't lock your face it unlocks your soul I'm like damn it alright whatever it's gonna look like it's gonna look like Brainiac from Superman's triangle there it appears all the way into your soul and unlocks based on your personality that's that is that is that well in let's see I mean and probably like the the most interesting part is that the rumor still claims just one camera at the back so you were able to prove it with the pixel too and you know III think that if they were to stick with the one and and and keep their computational / algorithmic processing I think that'd be great as long as they improve upon it I just imagine I want to imagine what it would be like to have the power of Google's algorithmic processing with an extra lens like that kind of that excites me to be honest it doesn't need to be three it didn't even need to be two but it's two plus Google's power I'm an I'm I I just I just made myself excited over the phone alright so a couple of hot takes real quick for our next topic okay so uncarrier 15 with t-mobile it's funny how we go back and forth when it comes to like our advancements in technology and also how things just work in the real world apparently uncarrier 15 I don't know if they're running out of ideas it's not a bad thing but you can have teams of people helping you out in the t-mobile store rather than the automated system that you usually have through the phone you're actually going to have something somewhat of like a Genius Bar that T Mobile is going to give you so you have human interaction and you actually get a little bit of that human touch when it comes to the problems that you have with your service we don't have to stay on this one too long do you prefer automated systems have you have you do you think this is I did are you happy to hear that human touch is back into our automated and back into our customer service with t-mobile I've even had to call t-mobile at all reason we uh we lost brand oh boy let's just hope you don't lose me but here's the thing I don't know it's I hate talking I hate dealing with machines just because they ask so many questions like a human most of the time understands what I need with just one phrase or one question so I am just completely against automation honestly like I hate going to counters I hate you on campus for example when I'm travelling and have a machine be me having to deal with a machine like I don't want to deal with that I don't want to be offered more miles I don't want to be uh I don't care and that's the problem with machines that it's like if these companies use these machines to also sell you things and I don't care about these things I just I walked them for something specific I want to leave with what I need and that's it okay fair enough so Brandon do you prefer talking to a human I feel like it's an easy question to answer right like um I prefer talking to whatever is the most efficient and whatever saves me time and last I checked human beings have certain weaknesses and so I you know I'm cool with the machines Brandon is just he basically said he would prefer to stay in the matrix he just said that right now alright so we're gonna call an agent going forward yeah pretty much okay so it's a little bit like a Genius Bar especially over the phone obviously when you go to a t-mobile place there's no automation there it's not like going to McDonald's and you have to order on the machine which by the way is becoming a thing apparently so who knows maybe this will be implemented in more places like t-mobile in the future but for now this is just talking to humans on the phone rather than an automated system so that whole Genius Bar reference well there are a couple of things that Apple is doing right now where a lot of users might be asking of their Genius Bar what is going on iOS 12 it introduced a feature in FaceTime where you can have groups of people in FaceTime I still personally think this is incredulous how you can have up to 32 people in any one FaceTime call but it's limited to four at the moment however what they did was they took the feature out of iOS 12 only to have it come out a little bit later on it's not a canceled feature it's still going to come it's just gonna take a little bit longer for them to work out the kinks do you use FaceTime guys all rhyme with the kids and that's about it okay yeah I use for family things but you know what's weird if you look around you and it kind of reminds me of the next salad days people use FaceTime as if it were just a phone call they're walking down the street facetiming they're like in there in like they're in Walmart facetiming like so everyone can see it's just like it's like this cultural thing where everyone's using FaceTime instead of phone calls and it's very very public yeah the other did Nicki Minaj was in Bryant Park and everybody was face trying to show that they were there with just watching her that's why I don't think that was a that wasn't a reason to go crazy but I guess some people like her music she's pretty popular I understand we tend to gravitate to hangouts on air and also you did just YouTube in general when it comes to our video versions of the podcast do you think we could ever do like a FaceTime version of the body and be cute to low resolution and probably not reliable enough maybe maybe maybe so Kay okay so you guys were talking a little bit earlier about how the iPhone 10 is missing like buttons in particular well this is this is one of the gripes that I had with the iPhone 10 as well when I was using it I miss my touch ID and it has not been the case with the iPhone 10 like you want to have that's the other thing about we talked about the no 9 earlier it has every measure of biometric that you can ask for at least for now so you can use any one of them you can come if you wanted to and you can use any one of them at any given point I tend to use the fingerprint reader as much as possible but if the phone is on the wireless charger pointing up at me I hit the power button it recognizes my face I'm good to go I love that however with the iPhone 10 it's only the face ID and this is a real thing I people can make fun of me all they want but I used to get really annoyed with the iPhone 10 when I would be brushing my teeth and I want to look at my phone and because I'm brushing my teeth and it occludes my face I can't get into my phone and I really hated that there's so many scenarios where face ID doesn't work exactly so touch ID would have been great and apparently touch ID might be coming back thanks to yet another little leak that we're looking at here and whatever version touch ID might come back as is still kind of up in the air but number one the question is wouldn't you be happy to have touch ID returned we ask you this what specific scenarios is it that you wanted touch ID to work because if you think of it it's mostly whenever you need to pay attention to something else like brushing your teeth or driving or driving those are the cases furtive hid becomes annoying and this is not me trying to defend face ID I prefer touch ID a million times over window unlock my phone face but then again if you're in New York City in a cold AF and you're wearing gloves you appreciate a way to unlock your phone without having to take your gloves off that's true the scenarios are definitely different based upon like where you are like how you use your phone and what scenarios you find yourself in I don't know like you know me I'm the BlackBerry guy I want tactile feedback you know I don't want to just stare at my phone and hope it does something I don't want to do that one of the one of the worst the worst scenarios is for me it's very common its phone on table cannot unlock iphone 10 unless you're like you position your head over it like it's just like the funniest acrobatics ever you look down at it and then like you know you're a cure your second chin kind of pops out so then it's like anyway that's not you apparently on this one the fingerprint sensor might be embedded in the screen so maybe that particular situation is going to be mitigated by what the apples going to innovate on if touch ID does return so I'm not gonna lie I guess what I like the most about face ID is actually not beside D per se but how Apple uses it where your notifications are not visible or readable unless you unlock unless the phones tease you until the phone to text that is you and then your notifications be readable and then you decide if you want to unlock the phone or not that for me is the most genius thing that I wish every phone did sometimes you just want to look at your lock screen you don't wanna you don't want to dive into the phone and then look for the notification you just want to read it from the notification but if you've got like a psycho girlfriend or psycho you know whatever it is you don't want your notifications on your lock screen and therefore it just adds an extra hurl we're on on face ID don't have to deal with any of that you just it's not until it's easy that it shows you what you want to see I need you know what I did kind of like that that was the touch I I will admit that that was kind of cool where I looked at it and then it gave and then once I recognized it was me it gave me the info I wanted I did I did kind of like that I'm not I kind of with you there and it's cool I wish that Android had that that's part of a video that I'm I'm part of one of the videos that I'm working on by the way it's just that like I wish that Android had that is for me it's like one of the coolest things in iOS mmm fair okay so for our final one in this new segment then we'll take a quick break to pay some bills the we're gonna go ahead and talk about apparently Xiaomi by the way Xiaomi SH ok so not Jimmy not see how me Shou me I got a I got a I got a lecture from one of my good friends chai Lazaro over at gadget man she's a great friend she gave me she's like the forum she's like an expert on how to pronounce it so Xiaomi so shout out to you tribe apparently they're pulling like an honor right now with a new brand called poco so what we have here is a leak of a phone called the poco phone f1 and over in India where it is apparently going to be launched on August 22nd someone has already unboxed it and you know what I have to say there's a I'm excited to see what Xiaomi can do a brand that potentially will have the because there's one thing that we know about Xiaomi it's that they've been able to make premium phones for prices that are actually pretty accessible it's kind of a mark of their Chinese of their Chinese brands this one's going into India they already have a strong foothold in parts of in other parts of Asia including India and I think they have a little bit of a foothold in in Europe right now after after all they did move into that market within the last year quick thoughts on what could possibly be called the poco f1 they call it the master of speed because apparently it comes with the snapdragon 845 and let's see here what else did they say dual rear cameras the design at least in my estimation looks a little bit it's more utilitarian than anything else it's not the it's not the prettiest looking phone and the price according fraud to GSM marina I think is what they said was it was gonna be about the equivalent of $500 so yet another phone that might undercut these super expensive flagships we have right now so how do we feel about this I don't know I I like the strategy of I love the strategy of show me like how they make money through services and not through phones like I find that to be fascinating I love devices like the B mix 2s it's not my favorite phone but it's just so cheap and so well made yeah you know it's just shocking um I love that I love the examples like that I guess the only thing that I didn't like about the rumors is where they come up with the name like poco phone cuz poco in Spanish means al-islam like it means you're getting your MIDI you're getting very little ah and so I think that they should have thought out the name better if that's a true thing but we'll see I mean I don't care that thing is called literal literal lease if it costs 300 bucks 400 bucks I don't know we'll see yeah the the suggested price of 500 was a conversion from leh which I believe is I don't know which currency that is but that's that that is what's projected Romanian currency oh there you go so 1999 leh so that's about $500 apparently - according to your guys's article but yeah I mean it's it's fine I would love to say one there are offshoot brands typically there's a little bit more value for value for what you'd get there but obviously there's gonna be a little bit of a concession and the first thing I want to know about this phone is how that camera works because it's usually the Achilles heel to any of these off brands that try to bring value but anyway Brandon you were you had a couple things so something interesting about show me that I don't think many people realize is that they make so many products they make a rice cooker that connects to your phone they make an air purifier that connects your phone they make a hoverboard a TV like there's just like a universal electronics company that is that makes products for people in China that needs to make clothing that doesn't connect to your phone but I'm sure it will sued yeah I didn't know that they made clothing that's unbelievable dude like their Xiaomi stores and Shanghai are are it's it's funny because their Xiaomi stores are like going to an Apple store here in in the United States it's like it's a thing it's packed all the time doesn't matter where you are and they sell a ton of stuff seriously like their clothing they sell shoes dude wow that's amazing a lot of stuff yeah yeah it's crazy and it's and it's a it's a fairly good brand but you know before we get too far into it there's one thing I wanted to point out you're right Boco means small shou means small so yeah so I just remembered that right now that Xiao it means small I forget what me is but I think it's small something there's a certain there's a certain phrase that together those two words make and I forget what that is but Xiao take it on its own it means small and from the record I'm Filipino it's not that I it's not that I know Chinese or anything but I happen to remember that fact all right so uh we're gonna go ahead take a really quick break and we'll be right back to talk about some 5g miss that's even a word all right one quick second doo doo doo look at that I'm missing oh there it is all right here we go this episode of the weekly is brought to you by jamp now helping you track your Apple devices it's hard enough remembering to keep your iPhone or iPad in sight sometimes especially when you're on the move or in a co-working space or what have you but if you run a business you know it gets even more complicated than that and don't get us started about managing 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the commercial side of it people said you can't use an iPhone in the enterprise there's no security you got to use a blackberry or a windows mobile phone and you know over time they added like Microsoft Exchange support they added the ability to remote wipe and all this stuff and now it's like not even a conversation there's plenty of people that use an iPhone for personal and business yeah I do remember that and that's one of the reasons why I really you know I remember when I was using the BlackBerry back in the day especially the bald in particular it never really occurred to me that that stuff would be important and it's funny how much that's become a thing like obviously ever since that earlier era of smartphone technology we've come to a place where security is so much more important than ever and back then it was just one of those things I took for granted it's just part of the device and I think there's there's value in that there's value in having a phone that is already encrypted and is already very secure and yeah it's just funny how like back then I was just using it because I was using it and I I almost kind of looked back on it and I retro actively appreciate the fact that I had rim back then it was rim but blackberries security at least keeping me from getting my identity stolen in particular but yeah oh I got a bit of a train going by right now I don't know if you guys can hear that yeah I'm Jaime dropped a mic it might come up in a second Jaime did drop off for a bit but I'm gonna give it a couple more seconds then we'll get into our main segment for today alright and we're back Jaime is out for a second he did drop off one more time also we are going to spend the next 10 to 15 minutes or so talking about our main topic it's something that we've talked about before which is why I'm okay with it being a little bit shorter personally but also just so you know Jules Jules is not in the production booth today his head is probably exploding based upon the timing that we've had on this podcast along we apologized Jules we had to sort of like wing everything today because Jules who is so great in the production booth was not available today hopefully you're having a great trip wherever you are right now brother okay so let's talk 5g 5g is obviously going to be the next generation of our mobile internet we did talk about it a little bit a couple of weeks ago because the Moto Z three of which we are still doing our review on right now it's going to get a mod that is going to provide 5g connectivity it is a mod it's an add-on but our speculation from a couple of weeks back was that the phones that are coming in 2019 are potentially going to have 5g connectivity built-in so that would make the mod a little bit obsolete from the that however a lot of manufacturers a lot of phone companies are throwing their names into the Hat are officially signing up for the race right now we have Samsung huawei LG and it's only going to be a matter of time before other manufacturers like Oppo vivo Xiaomi HTC Sony they're they're going to join obviously but for now it's a race of the top three Samsung Huawei and LG now who's gonna do it first and I think that's where we can start off this conversation who do you think is going to achieve 5g true 5g first within their phones what do you think Brendan well I think Verizon will be the carrier to do it first in a very limited number of markets and the only support that first only supported device is going to be the motive C and as you guys taught me last time we talked about 5g the antenna array required for 5g is a little bit complicated and that's why the Moto mod is you know a little bit thick and has some complexity to it because you need to have a specialized antenna array that would probably make the phone much thicker so I imagine that maybe maybe galaxy s 10 maybe certainly the the note 10 and and maybe the the flagship from Huawei will start to have these these five 5g capabilities and probably be a little bit thicker maybe it'll combine it with a bigger battery 2 and no headphone jack maybe so but there's this is the thing though I I agree with you that Samsung would be one of the first one of the first choices when it comes to all of this but apparently Samsung has confirmed that their first 5g phone is indeed not going to be the galaxy s 10 and even though we were speculating that to be the CAD we were speculating that the S 10 was going to be the first 5g capable phone with it built into the device without having anything any add-ons or anything like that I'm almost a little bit surprised but also not because I would like I was saying two weeks ago I would think that these manufacturers want to put so much testing behind it obviously has been doing that they have their own tests and in the studios whenever we go to their 5g days or to their media tours and whatnot it's incredible so they're definitely putting all of their R&D behind it but the manufacturers have to do the exact same thing it might take a while so that's the reason why I was skeptical that the s10 was going to be the first 5g phone and it looks like that's going to be the case and you're right about the whole Verizon deal I think in the u.s. Verizon will probably be the first ones because they have their very fast internet that already exists and then they're just kind of piggyback that and bolster it to become full 5g but here's the thing though there is there are there are places around the world whose internet beats the pants off of even Verizon here in the US so I actually kind of think that 5g will probably be achieved somewhere outside of the US before here personally it might be like in Korea where Internet is incredible oh my god in Korea the what Anton was there we were experiencing some great speeds on our project five cards and it was amazing like the internet was so good in Korea and I wonder if they have probably the better outfitted infrastructure to achieve it well it's interesting because before LTE you know 3G you know Europe and Asia had that the 3G speeds much a long time before the United States got it and then the u.s. was very quick to adopt LTE the carrier's really went quickly with that and so don't you think that the US carriers would be first with 5g because they have such ubiquitous strong LTE networks built out because 5g is a piggyback on LTE right it is yeah 5g is not as one of our commenters on top and the top chat is saying right now it is important to just sort of clarify 5g is not any one signal technology it's not like we're creating a whole new band or a whole new radio just to make 5g work it's a combination of a lot of things so there's millimeter-wave there's LTE Pro LTE you and all that so ltu is is what I'm sort of referencing when it comes to what kind of speeds and what kind of internet they have in places like in Korea and one of the reasons why we have different we have different radios and bands and different speeds here in the US that range from the different carriers you're right that there's that ubiquity with carriers like AT&T t-mobile Verizon and they are spearheading the development of 5g but the reason why I feel like it's it gets a little bit tough is because you do have to marry all of these different speeds and different bands together and we haven't even perfected our LTE that exists now which is kind of my point and meanwhile I mean it's internet so much better than so many other places in the world that what if the development of the 5g that we're doing here in the US was sort of what if a test market was created out in a different place outside of the US where the infrastructure actually has that perfect I don't want I hesitate to use the word perfected but much better LTE than what we have here is what I'm saying which which I guess isn't that difficult because you still have Royal rural that's a hard word to say for the areas in the United States that don't have don't have LTE don't even have 3G don't even have broadband connectivity because there's so much you know open space in such a large part of the country whereas like in Korea it's just more compacted in terms of population that's easier to you know put up a smaller number of in a smaller amount of infrastructure to reach the population I agree with that and that's the reason why Verizon is probably going to be where it really comes in because Verizon actually has the right speeds and they actually cover those rural you're right that's a hard word rural areas and you're totally right about that and I think I think that is the reason why Verizon will be the first carrier for sure but as far as the first phone there is an announcement that did come out this is our final story in terms of 5g and we can kind of mold it all together apparently Sprint is going to be holding or rather carrying the LG G 8 and it's an LG LG M Sprint together or making the claim that the LGG a potentially whatever the next LG smartphone is going to be on Sprint is going to be the first 5g smartphone so potentially LG might actually be able to make it happen it's coming in the first half of 2019 which is what this graphic shows and perhaps Sprint is gonna be the one but I don't know I I'm not I'm not here to throw shade at anybody or anything like that it's just I don't really feel like Sprint's going to if they get the first 5g phone I don't think it's gonna be great like I would sooner think that Verizon will do a better job of implementing 5g then Sprint would because the coverage is different I've never had a good time with Sprint personally myself so yes you can say that technically you got the first 5g phone but is it gonna be a great 5g phone I'm not too sure about that and you Sprint or t-mobile is the question true t-mobile has a much wider net that's true I'm a just got back by the way there's a much wider net for for t-mobile but I think by the way to bring you up to speed - hiya Jaime um we did agree Brandon at least and you can tell us what you think that as far as carriers are concerned because right now LG is claiming they will be their first 5g smartphone however as far as good first 5g carrier is concerned we think that Verizon will probably be the the place where it happens good so Verizon has got the tools I think that they've got like the strongest partnership with Qualcomm as well and call coms like everything that they've already prepared for 5g is like horribly the most top-notch it's just I think that Sprint is gonna use pretty much the same technology and it's I'm shocked as the rumors are that the Galaxy S 10 is not bringing 5g exactly we did we did yeah even if there is a chip already designed for it EXO knows they're not bringing it those are just rumors I the cool thing is that they said that they're doing it if they said that they're doing it that's great you know the problem is when they say when they say things like in the first half of 2019 so there are six months I mean it could happen on on literally May 29th yes it's far you know we'll see don't forget that one of the reasons that Verizon and AT&T were first with LTE and t-mobile and Sprint were was because of financial resources because those are the top two carriers in the country they had access to the most capital the the many billions of dollars required to change towers and upgrade infrastructure so it just it just makes a lot of sense that Verizon would be would be first followed me by AT&T and the t-mobile Sprint we'll get to five key when they can do it wait a second what do you mean I mean what are you talking about remember sprint was first with WiMAX oh wait was that this was the point that I was making a little bit earlier is that like the reason why I'm skeptical about 5g actually being as viable as we hope it will be at least for now is because we haven't even I said this two weeks ago we haven't perfect we have not gotten anywhere close to perfecting LTE as it stands right now in the US which is why I get that in the u.s. our development and R&D is being put towards 5g as it should be you know because these are the companies that are trying to spearhead it like Qualcomm however there are so many markets in the world and even one of our users in the chat right now Renato Laporte is already saying that even t-mobile in the Netherlands is already preparing its network with LTE Pro 13 and there are markets outside of the US that already have LTE that is just killing it right now like on Lunas shoot that's better LT than the United States I'll tell you that much okay god Ronia is insane I know Estonia is amazing III talked about how Anton and I when we were in Korea together we were getting great speeds on all of the all of the LT that we're using on mobile networks and you know a part of me wonders like if you really want to develop 5g in a certain manner to really get a good test market for it why not go outside of the US to really perfect that because the u.s. is obviously like the Wild West when it comes to LTE and networks you know so the biggest problem is I one of the things that I've learned about the United States is like they're like yes we have the best metro system in the world I'm like no you don't this problem is when you when you when you I mean I know that there are a lot of people here in New York that have never left New York and that's a problem because you go to Barcelona and the Met from Barcelona Berlin our million times better than this what time the trains gonna pass and what stops its gonna make like and so that's the biggest problem with mobile carriers they feel that they're the best this is the most expensive data in the world I believe without a doubt like it's hilarious when they're like yes and it's just the hundreds like even even Wi-Fi in this country is insanely stupidly expensive and it's not the best there is and so I do understand that the United States has a lot of difficulties when it comes to infrastructure let's just start by the fact that it's easier to place to bring great LTE to Romania because the country is about the size of Texas and so if if we are fair to the United States we have a huge problem when it comes to infrastructure and it's called size this country is larger than Europe mmm-hmm so you know it's it's just that's just the way it is if all you have is one major airport it's easier to serve you know international flights if all you have is a country the size of Spain or the size of France it's easier in the United States it is so much difficult because and then you've got like very densely populated cities and cities that are that have nothing yeah and so that's the biggest problem of the United States like I get it but I do agree the United States needs to leave but at the same time I feel that the implementation of 5g is gonna be easier than the implementation of LTE because LT required like a completely different infrastructure whereas 5g is like an antenna that lives on top of LTE like 5g without LTE can't live like I'm GNR has no it does not exist without LTE and so the I guess the pitch with 5g is we are creating a spectrum that lives on LTE but the idea is to pull people off of LTE in order for the people that remain on LTE that won't upgrade their phones immediately to have better better data speed so I guess the the pitch that companies like Qualcomm are making is tell you what guys don't invest on anymore' LT 5g is gonna be your solution because we're gonna pull people out of out of LTE through 5g so I get that we'll see if it works yeah for sure and we'll see where that goes I I was telling Brandon just just just so that you're up to speed I made that I'm not surprised that the s10 is not gonna be it like I was the one that speculated two weeks ago that these manufacturers are going to have to like make sure that it works the way they want it to and I just don't think that the next generation is gonna be it which is why it's great to be first but if it's not good it's not gonna be the case yeah like in the essential phone brought the notch first but when the iPhone 10 did it everyone talked about the iPhone 10 yeah and these these these hardware companies are desperately going to want to promote something new to finally get all those people to upgrade that have it and like they're probably making the commercials now the 5g Galaxy S 11 and and they're not gonna do with the S 10 because people are gonna be like I'm still not going to upgrade because there's no 5g in my area and so I think they want to wait a little while longer until 5g is more pervasive so they can put their marketing dollars into promoting this new awesome high-tech feature that is a good point if you think about it like there's a reason why I still haven't invested in a 4k TV like if I get a unit then that's cool but I won't buy it just because what is it that gets streamed we don't get stream 4k so unless I buy 4k content you're not really consuming it yet well you know what's the point of seeing a pixelated image right now just because I want the latest TV for not the latest content there's a lot of totally underly there's a lot of really good 4k netflix content YouTube content it's really good and 4k TVs the newer ones do a really good job at upscaling 1080p to not 4k but it doesn't look pixelated so it's gotten better that's what I'm saying so what I'm saying is it'll just take time like people reading collect me where they don't adopt the latest technology because they're waiting for it to get better and so I have to agree with that I guess I'm just worried that the s10 won't bring 5g because I totally desperately want them to like bring it out and just learn from everything that's gonna go wrong with it in that way and that way the note 10 will just be better because that's just what I tell people don't buy the first generation wait for the second and so I wish that companies were willing to experiment early just to fix things in their next generation true they're probably gonna be watching LG very closely then it's gonna is gonna be what they're gonna do and then yeah and then the no 10 I wouldn't be surprised you know what I'm I'm thinking the NotI might be might be the one it's not gonna be the first half of 2019 because that's when all of the kings have to be worked out it's gonna be the last half of it so for our final story today it's something a little bit lighter I know the 5g Todd gets a little bit high / low level whatever you want to call it you know we I'm not that I will I will admit right now that when I go to Qualcomm Media Days I I don't really understand everything but I do my best with it so hopefully you guys enjoyed that talk about 5g once again we will of course be revisiting it if we see even more information about 5g come out but for now we're gonna take the opposite direction from our t-mobile discussion earlier it's not about humans being who you talk to it's about having an echo in your dorm this is uh this is gonna be interesting st. Louis in university is placing echo dots in all of its dorm rooms and while this thing has happened in other universities the difference with st. Louis is that it's mandatory there's an easier what there's an easy way of opting out of the program you just have to press the mute button but it is still a yeah you can probably unplug it I don't know how they're going to implement or even I don't want to use the word enforce but I don't know how they're planning on implementing having an echo dot in every single dorm room but obviously there are some concerns about privacy and stuff like that but the reason why the echo dot is apparently important to their mandatory dorm room out fittings is because it has a skill created by n powered that will answer questions about student life such as when the gym is open how much printing paper and the library will cause questions like that that college students have on a daily basis and while that is kind of cool it also kind of eliminates Liz the reason why I'm bringing it back to the t-mobile story it eliminates the RA like you you kind of the reason why you even have an RA in your dorm room in your dorm hall I should say is because you have to go to them to ask them for questions that you would normally have but now it's all about having the echo dot in your room and then answers all your questions for so what's the RAS whole deal re is supposed to just like find you drunk on your dorm room and send you to detox is that their only function now what is an RA by the way a Resident Assistant okay [Laughter] so an echo dot in your like I I obviously don't have any kids so I I couldn't even be close to relating to this whole story but if you had a kid and you wanted to send them to a college and they had this in the dorm room how would you feel about that I don't know so my kid is about to go to college in Florida huh which is thank God for that and so yeah I know I'm that old I apologize oh god I'm actually able to laugh this T is awesome dude this T is like best oh I guess I don't mind like I like the technology I think the technology just there's certain technology that is useful i I've never used an Amazon echo I have used Google home for a while I love being able to just be you know call this or call that I love these these benefits I feel that if universities can tailor into the SDK of what these product can do and take them further that's awesome but this is just me from my perspective like do you guys see that there's any sort of risk in that being intrusive or something well the the devices do have to be returned and if the echo dot does record and locally store audio like I'm not saying that anybody is going to open it up and try to get to the audio I'm just saying that you know there's that implication there's no reason to I you know but so the question is can that can they control what that echo dot listens to is the question true you can hit that mute button if you want but you who knows I mean we've had reports of of echoes or Amazon's assistant literally laughing out of nowhere what yeah there's a few people saying that their echoes have been have been just sort of straight-up laughing in the middle of just the moments during the day Google home hasn't been doing that for me I've never had any of those weird poltergeist moments with it thankfully but yeah it could get a little bit creepy like imagine if you're in your dorm room you're trying to sleep or maybe you're doing stuff you should be doing and then all of a sudden the echo dot just like does something you know might have forgive my skepticism it's just you know if my son gets caught doing something he's not supposed to be doing I don't know it's his problem like it's one of those things where you know whether I would if any it's it's just one of the things that I've learned about parenting is if they don't do it in front of you they'll do it behind your back it's one of those things where I don't know if I want something to monitor him or not because I wouldn't want to know but then again I would rather him not be doing it in shady areas or stuff like that so that's that's I guess the trade-off where I don't know what's worse is the question it's still good I love that okay well I feel like I interrupted Brendan earlier Brendan a couple of your thoughts and then we're gonna go ahead and call it on this one eater Brendan fries Oh ready froze oh okay well there you go he was a bit in there and then we lost them there it's just I don't know man you know again you don't have kids but from your experience in college like how was it it was fine and I actually okay maybe the reason why maybe the reason why I'm bringing up the whole RA thing is because I was a goody two-shoes and I was and I was I was friends with my RA so I'm sad for you my college days were crazy oh no I mean I there are obviously things that they're obviously stories that I have from my college days I went to I went to a Catholic school though so you know you can you can take that with a grain of salt but the thing is that I actually was friends with I was the guy as a freshman who would leave the door open so that anyone can come in hang with me and hang with us I'll leave the door open and on any given weekend I would probably be cooking and they gnorm would smell like Filipino food so everyone was free to come by and hang out with me so yeah so I was just chill like I got along with anybody I was actually called not like there was any award or anything but like a lot of people that I lived with in college called me the easiest roommate ever so I'm really chill mr. president I guess we had a college bar like right beside the building and so that didn't happen until until after I left they actually opened up a bar in my college and yeah things happened after that but yeah that was crazy like for me so you know it's it's one of those things where and we've had this conversation with my son where it's like you know you only get to go to college once or you know it's up to you on that one but you know these are there is a particular time in life for everything and so this is the time for you to enjoy a ton of things and just you know be smart about it don't be stupid about it but I can't just sit here and tell you not to do a lot of things that I did like it doesn't work that way yes for sure I'm just asking you to be smart about it like don't be stupid obviously there are consequences to everything you do and so it's really hard like I feel and I feel like we're like drifting away from we're probably overthinking what this echo dot is going to do yeah I agree I agree with that but probably you know they're gonna be those parents though who are like so you're monitoring my kid like there are gonna be those parents who are going to feel skeevy shibata's website and i wonder if this service will allow parents to monitor their kids oh no I don't think they would ever allow that to happen personally like that's just gonna be a huge amount of red tape I don't know and I feel it's a difficult topic regardless yeah exactly but it's interesting that they're doing it I love that the echo dots are so branded with the st. Louis University yeah they did they're purple and they have the insignia on the side so by the way do you have an Amazon echo I don't I stick with Google home and same things it's just I don't need another product to give me reasons to buy more stuff from Amazon more than I already do yeah so that is my that is my biggest problem like I am a compulsive shopper when it comes to Amazon just because of the convenience of not having to go to a store to look for something but I know exactly what color I want of whatever shirt I want to buy or whatever shoes I want to buy and I know my shoe size and I just order it doesn't work I just send it back and well that would be an interesting thing what if each dorm room had the echo dot connected to an Amazon Prime account like any one of those students could do that and it just becomes an easy way of ordering things for your dorm room like that is cool that is true I mean I feel that everything had I feel technology has a ton of benefits obviously there is like you say there are risks but this is where everything's going then like them you know there's there's only one way to find out if they're if it's risky or not that's me yep I agree with that all right now Brandon did he did drop off hopefully he comes back I'm gonna take my time on this outro because he does have the master off button for this cast so if he doesn't come back we're all going to hang up and people are just gonna be looking at silence he's the one who started the chat Jesus all right let me try to contact him all right cool while Jaime does that and on that note that is going to be our show for this week again thank you so much for listening this is PocketNow epic now weekly rather episode 318 the weekly is just as much a conversation as it is a show so make sure you make your voices heard either in the comment sections or by emailing us at podcasts at pocketnow.com as always you can also tag the podcast on twitter using the hashtag pn weekly that's hashtag pn weekly now as far as our personal handles are concerned on social media you can find high made of era ads hi may underscore Nevada don't forget that underscore you're gonna need that to find him on Twitter Brandon who were hopefully getting uh hopefully we're getting ahold of right now is found that Brandon mini man and you can find me at JV tech T why is it tech t because I love tech and I love drinking tea right now okay now one thing that I do want to give a shout out to is our producer