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okay we're gonna try this again round to Silverstone watched our first attempt at building a family system with stuff we had on hand and they yeah this wasn't very good you're sick of seeing the same activation watermark with your shiny new rig snaggin OEM Windows 10 Pro key from SC D key even if you've already installed Windows 10 on your machine you can show out a little over ten bucks for an authentic key that'll activate your copy click the link below and use offer code s studio for an 18 percent discount on your order so they sent us a bunch of stuff actually more stuff than they had already sent us several months ago to help us with our fanless PC endeavor and I'm proud to say that we've totally shifted gears now taking a lot of suggestions from you guys in the comments after watching our first attempt we're switching the platform altogether while technically staying with the same platform to switching our approach with that platform so this is a 2400 G and this means we're not going to need a discrete GPU that was our issue before was getting a graphics card that wasn't meant to run passive to run passive and it ultimately didn't end up working so what we're going to do is dump it all together now I could go with some passive 1050 Ti I mentioned that any other video there are cards that are meant to run passive and maybe someday I'll get my hands on some of those I'll have to buy them though and I don't think they make them anymore so I'll have to look for some on eBay or Amazon I will get my hands on one very soon stay tuned for that now but for now we're gonna create a passive system that will actually run and play some decent games in 1080p maybe medium to low settings not expecting the world out of this 2400 G but it should still be what is this no no the TP is here there's our TDP on the box I'm not seeing it yeah I don't think so anyway fork or a thread it boosts to 3.9 gigahertz and we do have Vega graphics integrated so we should be able to cool it with a decent passive CPU cooler now just using a cooler that's meant to have a fan running with it isn't gonna do the job I don't think you guys were kind of cringing at that in the last video so Silverstone said yeah we've got something for you this brick right here and it weighs it's gotta weigh at least three pounds it's friggin beefy and it's a passive cooler there aren't any fans that come with this cooler in the box it just shifts like this and you can mount fans to it they're actually little brackets here we can mount those little wire frame things to get 120mm fans on here maybe we'll do that separate video what it would be like to run a passive cooler with fans maybe it'll be better than something like an HD 15 from actual but that's a separate video for a separate day we're just gonna see if we can get a passive system actually working this time and I think what the components we have on hand now that will be likely a couple other things want to point out we are sticking again with our fanless nightjar NJ 450 power supply a few of you are concerned about that some of you didn't even watch the entire video and you're like what about power supply the power supply is fanless if you'd watch the video to know that thanks to those who did watch the video in its entirety or at least for the most part you kind of skip around but I mean this was like this was the forefront of the build here I mean the power supply is one of those things that people tend to overlook when they're trying to build quiet systems and some powers place do get fairly loud I have a couple of each EB jg3 power supplies they get extremely hot even when they're not working very hard and so finding a family's unit like this that's rated 80 plus platinum is difficult and I'm really glad that Silverstone makes this the other thing they said makes sense to a to extra things we have an SFX ATX power supply adapter you guys didn't see this in the last video but because this is an SFX L power supply we were just kind of letting it sit there inside an ATX cutout it was connected to the chassis via one screw this bracket will allow us to mount it properly so nice I'm gonna send that also the cabling I had to use extensions because the cables in this power supply are not very long because it's meant to be used in small small compact cases these are extensions and they're well they're not even extensions they're actually it's a full cable set and you plug this directly into the modular power supply on one side and then your components on the other the cables are just longer so we won't have that issue either so thanks to Silverstone for making this much more possible again I think it's very likely we'll get a system up and running that will be totally fanless and self-sustaining so let's go ahead and start building now another silver stone goodie the FTO 5 from silverstone this is supposed to be a great case for passive build so it's gonna allow heat to passively rise to atmosphere a lot of cases have kind of a restricted top panel or maybe the layouts just not optimal for that kind of thing so we're gonna use this case I have no idea what the internals look like I just know that Silverstone said it would be a good case so what the heck why not so in a nutshell what you have here is a midsize tower that has turned sideways you have intake fans that are actually placed on the bottom here and these look huge I think these are either 180 ml or 200 ml fans they're much larger than conventional 120 140 and then those are supposed to pull in air from the base there's about an inch worth of clearance down here there's also sound damping material on the base as well as the left and right panels that cold air gets pulled in from the bottom and it moves through the components to the graphics card and the CPU and heat exits up top and this up here is just a little plastic grille there's really no dust filter integrated up top although if it's a passive system I wouldn't be as concerned about dust so yeah we're gonna take out this hard drive bay we don't need that we're using an MDOT - SSD and I think we're gonna take the fans out so that we have unhindered passive air being pulled in from the bottom as warm air exits the case from the top when our CPU gets hot that's what I think's I think that'll be optimal we'll find out I mean worst case we got to keep the two fans in here we just turn them really low and we do sound tests anyway but for a totally family system I want to have these removed and we'll just see how it goes now my decision to go with this particular motherboard it's really simple it's a p450 board it's one of the only ones I have that's not currently occupying another system and we get native APU support so I don't have to update the BIOS we could in theory do this with a B 350 for it but we would have to update the BIOS and ensure that the motherboard had an HDMI or DisplayPort out just pop this up double check for no bent pins just to be on the safe side drop her in all right now we're at the bottom of the case you can see there's this magnetic dust filter here and these fairly large fans we're going to remove those and I think because we're not gonna have any active cooling down here I think I'm gonna leave a dust filter off as well wouldn't be too worried about dust and a family system although I'm sure it would become an issue at a much later date good thing about a fan like this because it is large it's got to be 180 ml 200 somewhere in that range is that you have silent operation you can displace the same amount of air at a much lower rpm because these fan blades are so friggin huge so worst case the system gets too hot without fans in it we just pushed these two back in to the to the bottom little bracket here in the case and you can have these fans pull and cool air from down below at a very low rpm so if it's not fanless and if it's not totally quiet we can get really close with these that are included in the case the only sound that this PC makes is when I power it on little button makes a little spring noise and that's it everything else is dead silent in here there's no inductor coil winding anything like that the power supply of course is dead silent CPU cooler is getting pretty hot I'm waiting for this to soak and once it soaks then we'll see how quickly it can passively dissipate heat and also see if our setup here is effective enough right pulling cold air in from the bottom and allowing it to naturally rise we'll see if that's effective also we're not stressing the graphics core the GPU the integrated GPU at this point just stressing the CPU of course the side panels off I'm going to put that on in a second but CPU temps at the diode are 46 degrees Celsius so that's about a temperature of this cooler and it feels about right so yeah let's just keep pushing it now we're gonna try to stress literally everything in the system and then we'll throw a few games at it like csgo running ashes of the singularity benchmark and see the system is stable and makes it through those runs alright so you can see now it's been about an hour and seventy degrees Celsius is pretty much where these things are topping out is there a lot of heat coming from this yeah there's some heat you can feel it just kind of passively rise and of course down below we would expect to have cold air being pulled in passively so look it's not gonna be you know as effective as a fan obviously but at least there is some rotation and circulation of air and that is why I believe our temps have leveled off here even though our CPU cooler has heat soak there's enough circulation in there to get rid of enough heat to keep temps from rising even more which I imagine they would do if we did something crazy like remove the CPU cooler entirely so with that we're gonna run some gaming benchmarks and then we're gonna try to bump the frequencies just a bit more and see how much more thermal Headroom we have to play with all right so you can see we're in csgo now about 60 degrees Celsius at the GPO been playing for about 10 minutes and that temperature has not really pegged above 60 C not sure why it's saying we're using 65,000 percent of our software I wasn't paying attention GG got killed by a bot 960 megahertz or so for the GPU is pretty low significantly lower than stock for the CPU the 2300 megahertz across all four cores its yeah not that great that's why our frame rate is around a hundred fps a lot of times though it'll jump above 100 especially when I'm showing my own gameplay and not someone elses but yeah this isn't super great for csgo part of the reason why is because we've underclock both our GPU and CPU so what I'm gonna do now now that we know we have plenty of temp Headroom is clock these two up - I'm gonna try 3 gigahertz for the CPU and then maybe 1100 for the GPU we'll see how that fares so we're at 3.2 gigahertz all poor that's not bad for a passive system it could be better and if I really just took my time and troubleshoot it every single setting in the BIOS I'm sure I can get this a bit better but right now under bolting the CPU seems to be doing well for the temps because if I just left the V chord auto and kept the frequency the same temps got into the low 80s so this seems to be better it's it's not perfect it still does stutter every now and then but this is definitely a better playing experience than the previous test alright and what we're doing here is running ashes of the singularity this is the GPU focused benchmark and look frame rates aren't that great this is the low preset in 1080p but it is possible to play this game with compromises I would say that the frame rates aren't exactly terrible for this type of game I wouldn't want 30fps in a first-person shooter but for this kind of game it's ok yeah look just trying out different games here the whole point is its stable and if we're willing to make some compromises you can game on this machine a 2400 G is not a great substitute for a discrete card but it will keep up with something like a gtx 1050 or 1050 TI alright so here's what I did to get the system stable and running totally passive I have a negative 0.125 volt offset 4v core I also have a negative point 1 offset for the IGP and the frequencies for the CPU 30 400 megahertz across all 4 cores and for the GPU 1040 megahertz when stressing both the C you FPU cash and GP Unitas 64 engineer temperatures reached about 78 degrees Celsius after a 30 minute run and that remained unchanged for the next 30 minutes so at an hour point they were basically flatlined which tells me that the CPU heatsink here this Heligan too was heat soaked and it was actually able to dissipate enough heat to keep temperatures from rising anymore which is really cool I know I didn't honestly think this was going to work as well as it did I thought I'd have to keep clocks around 2.8 2.9 gigahertz but 3.4 gigahertz is pretty good for a 4 quart ship like this with nigp with Vega graphics baked in now I have the sound meter here there's really nothing to show you it sounds like ambient because there's no moving parts in this thing it is totally silent there's there's no detectable noise coming from anything I've even here coil whine and yeah that's because there are no moving parts and that is something that I've kind of always wanted to do I just I didn't really see it being very practical for my use cases a lot of this stuff is more than ish it's not general consumer stuff fanless tech is it's you know it's just not as mainstream I guess I should say and there's a reason for that you do have to make some compromises yeah you could spend a bunch of money buy some really intricate cases and really crazy coolers maybe your entire case is like one big heat sink you could do a lot of that stuff I'm sure but those components the hardware required is a lot less accessible to the average consumer either because it's just rare they don't make many of those products or because it's pretty expensive either way it's not something I'd recommend to the general consumer unless you just absolutely want a dead silent PC that makes no noise at all I've had dead silent laptops laptops with no moving parts including no fans my original MacBook it was just the regular MacBook the 12-inch one had no fans solid-state storage so that was cool but you know it got really hot to the touch laptops and that form factor generally do especially under load so there were some trade-offs there what I have included a fan personally yeah I would have I can put up with a little bit of sound to get the system to run cooler overall maybe a little more overclocking Headroom if you're going for that sort of thing but the practicality this just isn't there for the for the general consumer again I'm stressing general consumer enthusiasts you want this you want to build something even better than this and it's possible that is certainly an option though and that's the cool thing knowing that you could do this if you wanted if I bought a 1050 or a 1050 TI pallet or whatever manufacturer produces fanless 1050 t is I could do that I could put that in here and the system would be much more powerful than it is but you can see here and I three more times by results that this system is not far off from a stock 2400 G with a fan included so yeah there that you're only losing about maybe 20 percent of total CPU overhead by running it fanless and that's just the result of this particular case I went with if I had an open air test bench maybe would have fared a bit better but in a case like this which i think is actually pretty nice it's a nice case from silverstone i only get down below i think that the results were to be expected but still decent and if you're willing to get by with running games on medium to low settings in 1080p or 720p and this could certainly work with that if you guys liked the video let me know I guess when that thumbs up I appreciate it thanks to silverstone for sending out this stuff and yeah I've got more rise in benchmarking to do so back to the old grind stay tuned a couple more days and all will be revealed this is science to do thanks for watching again and thanks for learning with us