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you know Zen - that's the rise of 3000 series looking pretty hot and promptly stole the show at Computex this year video viewership is a firm testament those videos were getting hundreds of thousands of views and everything else seemed to not do as well and while it's good to be back home there's still plenty to discuss and I plan to pack much of it into this video alright so firstly I'd like to touch on the chipset compatibility again we outline much of it in this video right here but one thing I didn't mention was a lack of original Zen support on the new x5 70 chips if that means running a one series Rison chip with an x5 70 motherboard it was clearly depicted in the chart AMD sent to us but I didn't bother touching on it because I expected it to be a rather niche combination to begin with why would you upgrade your motherboard and not upgrade your CPU but after posting my TL DR pin command a few of you expressed serious to staying with this revelation and to an extent I can understand I mean AMD promised us platform support through 2020 right but I think this was meant to be taken the other way around and a lot of you assumed it this way socket support for new CPUs through 2020 not motherboards support for old chips through 2020 and with a few exceptions this is what we're seeing right both x4 70 B 450 motherboard supports Zen to either natively or the BIOS update and motherboard manufacturers like gigabyte and MSI have pledged at least a few of their higher-end boards will support the new chips as well so for obvious reasons a320 isn't included here although I highly doubt anyone bought into that chipset expecting a future-proof platform the power delivery on that board or any of those a320 boards for that matter just not gonna hold out especially to the 12th core variant that AMD will be selling soon anyway case in point AMD promised platform or socket support through 2020 and it would only make sense to think this in the way we just discussed upgrading CPUs and keeping the same motherboard it's much easier to swap CPU than to swap a motherboard and you'll see real gains with a CPU swap all the major perks by the way you'll still have generally excellent overclock you support with x4 or v4 and a more compliant XMP what you won't have though and what I want to confirm to you guys who's AMD directly referenced this in the meeting we had them is PCI agent for support on anything pre x5 70 this flies in the face of many reports that vendors like gigabyte would be activating it more or less in some other higher-end products that had the trace support and indeed this was their their plan they were trying to be good guys but I am B thinks this will be too confusing for the general consumer you might be fooled into thinking his or her board sports you know PCI 4 supports it natively in my opinion this kind of sucks and the ration has a bit flawed right how is this any different than SLI or crossfire you'll only know the board includes support for either of those if it's printed on the box or in the manual or on the accompanying website this shouldn't be a reason the shaft motherboard manufacturers who were diligent enough to future-proof some other higher-end products that's that's my take in light of everything good I think Amy's done lately this just isn't one of them in my book but what is good is the pricing structure the ami rise in 530 600 it comes in at a cool $1.99 it's six cores and twelve threads and if we assume a 15% IPC improvement as AMD claims then we're getting just that about a 15% bump for no change in price between generations this isn't biblical but it's a great lead for AMD if current prices remain fixed for the next few months you'll have a tough choice between the rise of 526 hundred at 150 u.s. or less which is a really good deal and the rise of 536 hundred at 199 a few rumors had this chip at eight course which would have made it an incredible value at this price but as is I'd say it's just it's just decent horizon 730 700 X is the next chip I'd like to discuss 16 threads for just over 300 bucks is pretty awesome especially considering how expensive intel's 9900 k has been as of late and with IPC jumps like these i'd say until better brace for impact i don't expect these 7-series chips to crush blue team offerings by any means especially with respect to gaming but i do expect them to come awfully close and that's good enough for me a cheaper equally viable alternative is all I'm looking for and that's nice and a bonus and only 65 watts this chip should stay comfortably cool while boosting to well over 4 gigahertz all that of course is going to go out the window if you choose to manually overclock this is an X variant which is kind of weird for a 65 watt TDP chip but yep you're gonna consume significant more power than 65 watts especially when you overclock and I expect that that power draw will be again slightly higher anyway TDP is not an occasion of power draw but it's a good reference point you're gonna consume more power from the wall to pull more power from that wall then the 65 watt rating just FYI horizon 9 3900 X is the monster 12 core 24 thread 105 Wahb behemoth we've been waiting for almost it's certainly no consumer grade 16 courtroom went across the web although I expect won't come soon but 12 cores should be plenty for the vast majority of gamers and creators in the consumer space which begs the question what's gonna happen a thread ripper after all this maybe that in a separate video $4.99 seems like a pretty steep ask for 12 cores in 2019 especially with you know 8 cores becoming extremely cheap right that's 1700 or 1700 X is like well below 200 bucks now granted it's first generation but still that's 8 cores and a consumer grade platform on the cheap I'm actually way cheaper than I ever thought those chips would get new and that's going to impose a tough choice for a lot of people looking to build it for a system especially you wanna stay on a budget should you buy a cheaper older 8 core or a brand new 6 core and yeah $4.99 is a lot of money but you won't see me complaining regards to the 12th core variant why because consumer boards are cheap relatively speaking AMD assured us that these chips could run overclocked and even be 450 boards that means assuming you've picked a decent board with decent power delivery you'll only need to spend around 600 bucks for the CPU and motherboard attack another 100 bucks for 16 gigs of ram and you've got a platform that a surely last three or four years before its age begins to show likely longer on the tr4 platform you'll spend around 350 for a 1920 X that's first gen thread Ripper it's 12 cores 24 threads right but several hundred dollars on a thread Ripper motherboard this offsets the price difference between the chips alone it means that assuming you off for the 1920 X you'll be paying around the same price for a chip that performs around 15 to 20 percent worse per core and I'm just not about that game it's also ignores latency issues associated with tier 4 as well and that ladies and gentlemen is my price justification for the third a 900 X so there you go I couldn't really do this context because I didn't have to I didn't have enough time to just sit down and crunch all the numbers but there you go so if we assume similar gaming performances in between like current coffee like offerings and upcoming Zen two or four core then what about content creators this one's going to be largely dependent on the software suite you use for obvious reasons but in the case of premiere which is rather popular it's one I've used for a long time you'll likely want an Intel chip still it may sound super silly at first but hear me out Rises Achilles heel and I've been saying this from the beginning with respect to content creators has been its lack of an IGP and hardware accelerated tasks like video encoding and scrubbing Intel will almost certainly perform better core for core and that's because it isn't just the cores at work in the case of mainstream Intel offerings HD graphics helps significantly as seen in this workstation render so it's very likely even the 9700 K will outpace the 3100 acts and hardware accelerated video editing and rendering workloads I'm not being paid to say that in fact I kind of hope that I'm proven wrong in this regard I mean I feel stupid even even say this in a video that neither AMD nor Intel pay my bills and in video I'm lucky to even get samples from them and yes you could argue that software optimization has a lot to do with this especially in the case of premiere it definitely runs smoother on my Intel machines I can attest to that firsthand but it's the reality I confront on a daily basis right so in my case I kind of have to conform time will tell again I hope I'm wrong I I mean at least kind of hope I'm wrong but I'm fairly certain that I'm not going to be and look to be honest most of you could care less about an AI GP right if you're gonna be gaming an IG P is virtually worthless it won't transform a gaming experience we've got discrete cards for those kinds of things speaking of gaming one final thing I'd like to address is core account viability for the average game where we touched on this in my initial rise in coverage at Computex this year anyone who purely games should avoid the 3900 X instead the sweet spot is looking like the 3700 X now you might want to 3900 X for something a little more than gaming maybe just streaming and gaming at the same time although I have my doubts about whether or not that is and viable for a lot of you because you can get you can get so much done even streaming and gaming at the same time on an eight-core 16 thread ship so my opinion the sweet spot is that 3700 x4 go the former save 200 USD in the process throw it into a much better graphics card you'll get way better frame rates and games the difference between an RT X 2070 and a 2080 is pretty substantial in the difference between an RX 5:18 and RT x 2070 is equally so you'll see huge gains and your frame rate compared to tiny ones you'll see between the 37 and 3900 X that's assuming you see any difference at all clock for clock and going off of experience with Zanon Zen plus here I mean I think that's a fair assessment I've tired of the risin 5 sixteen hundred and twenty six hundred as the best all-around value chips of 2017 and 2018 you've been streaming games seamlessly and the frame rate differences between them and something like an i-5 maybe 400 usually aren't distinguishable by the human eye we're talking maybe 80 fps verse 85 you get the point the 3900 X has geared morphs forward heavy multitaskers for obvious reasons so folks do a lot of compiling scripting programming work with VMs right those are the people who were truly stress 24 threats maybe more than that and the 3900 X in those cases might not even be good enough for you the games though that you'll be playing won't do that I don't know a single game in existence that will fully saturate 24 threads even 16 is difficult tasks for modern triple-a titles I'm only trying to save you money here so it just seems like the you know having the biggest and baddest of them all is is such like a it's just such a social trend now but when you don't need that much horsepower it is in my opinion just a waste of money spend the extra money saved on a better graphics card and I think a cores will do you a solid for several years again at least three or four in my book so that's that for this one that you can find a few solid articles reference down in the video description along with our usual social media links by the way in the case of this giveaway right here the site X has randomly selected a winner we've made announcements on Twitter but you can check who won by clicking the giveaway a link down below if you can't see it there I'll at least link my Twitter post you don't need to Twitter account c1 but if you're curious 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