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the GTX ten eighty was one heck of a card when it came out more powerful than the 980ti and Maxwell Titan X and with prices now on the decline for a Pascal something we predicted a while back on a kind of cryptocurrency mine a decline and the release of Turing the 1080 is actually looking pretty sweet especially when seen in the context of those Turing launch prices so if you aren't interested in paying more than say 400 bucks I don't blame you this card can still handle nearly anything you throw at it even in 4k but what about the gtx 1070 TI this card hasn't gotten as much love lately and i have a theory as to why but I first want to compare the two from a performance perspective and assess prices so that you can make the most informed purchase decision possible in this category because these cards right here are among some of the best bang for the buck cards you can currently buy this matchup was a fun one and I took an interesting approach because I've heard so many things along the lines of Oh a custom 10 780 I can match a stock 10 80 and I've always wanted to test this firsthand so I took the EVGA GTX 10 ATSC using a reference PCB that I purchased from eBay for 300 bucks more on that right here and slung it head-to-head against our beefy three slot gtx 1070 TI for the win both of these cards are from EVGA but only the 1070 I again boasts a custom atom board the 1080 here utilizes the reference design so it won't have any power delivery and overclocking advantages save the possible thermal advantages associated with a third-party cooler though the founders edition coolers are actually pretty effective both of these cards are extremely quiet and cool and that's another reason to go with an aftermarket cooler EVGA does an excellent job in general both custom and reference boards i've never had a problem to date but where do you think these to fall on the leaderboard obviously the 1070 is gonna be a little weaker than the 1080 but does the price difference there justify the gap in performance let's find out so the platform I used for benchmarking both of these cards was my personal gaming rig sporting a core i7 8700 K 16 gigs of DDR 4 in a modest overclock of 4.8 gigahertz it's a pretty you know hardcore gaming rig if you want the best of the best in terms of gaming then the 8700 K is the best one to buy right now everything remain unchanged throughout these tests and the graphics cards themselves were not manually overclocked past their out-of-the-box frequencies so first came up was grand theft out of five this one was tested in 1440p with maxed out settings across the board save a four times anti-aliasing scale and what you're looking at here are frame times pertaining to the last scene in the built in benchmark frame times are the inverse of fps so everything above this line indicates an FPS reading below 60 which is what we don't want we averaged about 79 fps the GTX 1080 and around 68 FPS for the 1070 TI keep in mind that the TI has an advantage here thanks to its custom PCB and higher load tolerances so if we benchmark to founders Edition cards for example we should expect a slightly larger gap between them now I'm choosing to show frame time graphs instead of FPS charts because these provides slightly more insight into the raw frame spike something you wouldn't otherwise see with 1% of point one percent lo graphs things became less consistent over here and we'd never get to see these variances with again those other charts the 1070 TI it falls slightly behind across the board and sports slightly higher frame time spikes something remember we want to see less up we want more consistent flat and lo lines on this chart I would like to point out however that the two games are nearly impossible to distinguish at this resolution and with these presets without the FPS counters it'd be like a 50/50 toss-up so the decision between the 1070 TI and 1080 here would ultimately come down to pricing and availability simply because you can't really see the difference between the two in the real world will show these tests with other games later in the video the next game tested was f1 2017 funny enough this game appeared much more stable within this graph depicts and that's again why this graph is so important to show a majority of this benchmark for both cards yielded flat and reliable frame times however several intermittent instances resulted in render times approaching 25 milliseconds that's roughly 40 FPS now after the beginning of the benchmark we see things level off significantly with only a few spikes pushing that 60 FPS barrier at sixteen point seven milliseconds overall though the GTX 1080 averaged about 94 fps the 1070 TI only a few frames behind at 86 up next is pub G and this folks is what an unauthorized game looks like with respect to frame times these large spikes are indicative of extreme and random lags in-game amounting to nearly 1/4 of one second at times which sounds insignificant I know but I can assure you it makes a world of difference in a game like this it's the difference between being shot and shooting at somebody else so this test was conducted with medium presets mind you save a reduction in foliage and a boost in draw distance this is just how I play the game the average frame rates for both cards were actually pretty good though eternity pushed out around 122 FPS here while the 1070 TI minutes 109 yet the TI struggled quite a bit more at times to maintain this average which again is why a chart like this is so important in the grand scheme of things it just helps you visualize those random lags a bit better I tested Rhys with a Tomb Raider as kind of a last hoorah before moving over to shadow of the Tomb Raider for testing purposes and I was sure to run it in DirectX 12 to throw these cards a curveball dx12 runs like an absolute dog in this game and we see that indicated vaguely by the minimums across all three instances for both cards it actually appears as though the GTX 1080 struggled slightly more in this regard though Mike couldn't run the frame time counters using fraps because the software isn't compatible as an overlay with the DirectX 12 API I'll show a side-by-side comparison a little later lastly we have Witcher 3 always a great graphics card limiter thanks to its dynamic setting an array of endgame features we were bottlenecked by our graphics cards for sure' in both scenarios at which point the gap between both cards became extremely narrow we managed just over 60 FPS that threshold there in both cases with a gtx and 80 pulling just a couple of frames ahead on average at 64 had we enabled hair works for example we'd have seen these frame rates a drop into the mid 40s there were a few spikes here and there for both runs but in general I'd call this one a tie the differences here are just too small to accurately measure now I want to throw up side-by-side comparisons of both cards running the games we've benchmarked in order to make my next point if you're worried about the tiny Delta's between these two on paper don't be there's really no reason to be in all honesty I'll be thrown the 1070 TI back into my personal rig so I can run future tests between the 1080 and 2080 and I can say for certain that I won't miss the 1080 there's really no noticeable difference they're so close in many instances that you want likely to notice which card is running on which side go ahead take a guess which one of these scenes was rendered by the GTX 1080 thank you god the answer here's the right answer and if you got it right you might have guessed even if I had left frame counters on screen you'd be hard-pressed to distinguish between the two and that's why the gtx 1070 TI is a great value proposition in the new market inventory levels for these cards are still extremely high so prices are relatively low they just barely dodged the mining craze and have leveled out from a price perspective since so here's the conclusion I think you should take away from this the gtx 1070 TI is still perfectly viable in 2018 same goes obviously for the 1080 but if you can find a comparable 1070 TI brand new for say 50 bucks or so cheaper than its 1080 counterpart the 1070 TI is the better Buy in my opinion if both prices are within say 20 or 30 bucks of each other the 1080 s marginal lead becomes a little more justifiable at the end of the day the only way you'll probably be able to tell which card you're running in your system is if a you have a super beefy you know add-in board 1080 that's gonna bring some really stellar overclocks which is rare for Pascal or if you have a transparent side panel and you can literally see what's written on the card the 1070 Ti is a viability in the market was always questionable from the beginning but in videos I mean they're competing with themselves here and there's really nothing wrong with that so long as the prices themselves aren't all extremely high but one thing's for sure the 1070 Ti is one heck of a card if you can find it below 400 bucks brand-new and by the way if you are wondering about youth graphics card prices I invite you to check out this video right here I'm gonna brag just a little bit you can find GTX 10 studies for as low as 220 bucks on eBay I found two of them for that cheap in great condition by the way the 1080 that I showed in this video I bought for $300 that's literally I mean that's below a 1070 price and then rx 580 use GTX 970 s and 1060 s are all up there for well under 200 bucks if you know how and where to look so if you aren't afraid to dabble in the used market you usually covered by the eBay pirate protection guarantee if the thing doesn't work just to return it there's really no risk there just some time that you lost having to ship the thing back and wait for your money to arrive I say go for the use market that's my take right now if you want to save money if you don't want to spend 800 bucks on a New York TX card or a TX 1080i that's brand-new the use market is perfectly viable and in all honesty sometimes you can get even better you know combinations of cards if you want to get to 10 ATS for example for 300 bucks apiece 1080 is an SLI assuming the game supports this whole I will I'll perform a single GT X 1080 Ti so there's that also if you want to flip these cards you can easily do that in the use of the market so let me know what you think in the comments below about the use market and what you saw in this video thumbs up if you liked it dislike it if you feel the complete opposite or if you hate everything about life you guys can click that red subscribe button if you haven't already you can join us become a channel member if you want to get fancy with it and we'll catch you in the next video this is science studio thanks for learning with us by the way for those who stuck around to the very end I want to know what you think specifically about the charts shown in this video I purposely avoided bar charts and I know that's gonna make a few people feel uncomfortable maybe I'll upload a separate video talking about how frame time charts work what you're exactly seeing and I'm not just gonna summarize it I'm actually dedicate a whole video to that so if you think that'll be necessary that's fine if you don't want to see these kinds of graphs anymore that's fine as well again this is kind of an experiment I just feel like these kinds of graphs relay more information than the 1% of poem sent load charts at least in these cases because those kind of summarize those Peaks in the frame time charts but you don't actually get to see those trends over time especially when they're over lapped card for court so we're gonna leave a comment down below if you watch it to the end and let me know specifically what you think about the graphs and what I should do in the future thanks for watching guys I'll catch you in the next one