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hey what's up guys Joker here i am joined today by greg from science to do we're going to be sitting down for kind of a casual discussion on the gtx 1060 as well as the RX 480 so for people that aren't may be familiar with you Greg what do you do over on your channel oh well but what it looks like pretty much the same stuff you do just review a bunch of Technology a lot of computer-based components will do pc builds benchmarks all the good stuff pretty much whatever you want to see on the channel we can make happen yeah we pretty much both of us have kind of been doing similar content around like the 480 and talking about a lot of the same topics so that's kind of how we came together I was like let's get together and do a video and kind of discuss what's going on right now at the 1060 because it's pretty pretty exciting right now this whole mid-range market which usually doesn't get as much attention as we're seeing right now and that's thanks I think in part to the RX 480 here just being at that $200 sweet spot if you're going for the a gig 239 I think MSRP it's just it's it's I think the sweet spot in terms of the FPS per dollar and that's kind of been that way around 200 or 300 bucks and so now we're seeing video play follow suit in that and that's pretty interesting because it seems like both of these cards are going to be very competitive yeah AMD basically came out and just like we're not even going after the high end right now we're going to let you just have that one for now and video we're just going to go we're going right after the two hundred fifty dollar price point because we see that that's where the majority of gamers are at under that 300 our price point so they've just went out went straight after that and now just a couple of weeks later we see nvidia come back with a counter punch with the gtx 1060 at $249 which is like right there yeah they did let it last long did that Amy hey Andy fan raid was was there for about two weeks and you know they were a bit of a bit of controversy involved with the car and the power issues and all that but that seems to be a very isolated issue and on top of that I I think it's interesting that may be decided to do it this way that decided to release their mid range card first if you look in the past most of the time it's the top end card that gets released upfront and then you know slowly but surely the lower end cards kind of trickle their way down but Amy's changing it up a bit and uh nvidia didn't let it last for too long from what it seems so so we just got that price announcement yesterday for the two hundred and forty nine dollars which is MSRP on the GTX 1060 but the 480 we've already seen those out in the wild going for two hundred and forty dollars which was above the 199 for the four gigabyte cards you know besides that whole the vram gate if you want even call it that but not having the four gigabytes actually yeah and the power issues now which have been reposed Lee resolved with the the new driver update did you try that by the way and I haven't yet honestly I haven't even put it in since I built that cheap computer and then I did the SLI thing with DirectX 12 I need to do it though because yeah yeah a lot of people were pretty tense about that in the video that I where I talked about that so it would be interesting to see if that is resolved with just a software she because doesn't seem like it's software-based it doesn't seem like just a simple change in code will fix that issue seems more hardware based so I meet you see if it works out yeah if you can if you can recreate it like you know 10 times out of 10 you know with your with that build with with the current dry it with the older driver and then just go ahead and do nothing but update the driver and see if it fixes and she'll be really good to see that I think I might just do that like without even editing anything I'll just completely film it as is that way people know not trying to tamper with anything and then just simply update the driver and see if the problem persists that I'll be interesting yeah so um on the price though it's coming out at well 249 MSRP and then they're saying the founders edition again we're having to get stuck with the nvidia tax of three hundred dollars for their founders card which i think is ridiculous you know does it really make this a two hundred fifty dollar card knowing what we saw with the 1080 in the 1070 is you know those were MSRP you know 599 in the 1080 show me a 599 1080 yeah and especially with the with the the type of card it is i mean it's a beautiful card on me wrong but the overclock ability with those cards you can get it to where you want it to be but at the expense of very high core temperatures and that's not something that's very desirable especially with the new pascal technology you know you don't want to be trading off that new very thermal efficient technology for the sake of having a very overclockable card and also like you said at a higher price point to oxymoron 'ok in its own right yeah the higher price point is really what makes absolutely no sense but as far as it just being you know a reference card and the thermals i didn't have any limitations i felt on my 1080 with how far i was able to push it with the core clock because of temperatures once i did set a custom fan curve whereas on my rx 480 that I tested I absolutely did feel limited on the reference design it left me wanting more with the custom board from someone like msi or asus SAP fire whoever to see you know how proper cooling can really keep that down because my card was hitting 90 degrees if I didn't adjust the fan curve and it was definitely limiting it mine wouldn't even let me get to what you see here was 13 50 megahertz 13 50 megahertz with that was the fifty percent power increasing all that okay see my wouldn't even do that looks like you had a better than car than I did but I would get to 1350 and I'd pretty much pushed the the voltage as high as I safely could go and it was not letting me do I think 1330 was where I ended up leaving mine for the most part yeah not good to see too much difference there between you know 1338 since 20 megahertz yeah yeah so I've got up a benchmark right here from the GTX 1060 know this was a leaked benchmark originally from X faster they had posted a fire strike benchmark on normal and then the RX for any numbers that i have here are my own numbers on my own testing from the stock and my overclock with 13 50 megahertz so you can kind of see on there that the 1060 was coming in right behind that 480 overclocked and i also did my own guesstimation therefore the 1060 is where i think it might be able to hit give it a 15-percent overclock that's just a 15-percent adjustment to the stocks score that we saw there so I that seems you know where I usually expect to see an overclock yeah that seems that seems fair from my perspective as well I mean look at the 10 70s and 1080s how much of a frame rate gain we saw with just a moderate overclock on both of those cards that to me that that falls in line before we were already seeing now a lot of people like to you know say that you know fire strike it's it's not real it's not real world performance but what I like about it is I do think it is a good apples to apples kind of like GPU ranking to kind of just find out where the core performances on the x11 anyway it's essentially a heaven benchmark i would say without the frame rates it's it's still it's still pushing the GPUs to their limits but it's it's it's gay I guess it's gauging the performance in a different way it's not basing it on frame rates it's basing it on an overall score which i think is derived from frame rates anyway if i'm not mistaken so the end results really the same i would say yeah and and with those custom coolers coming we saw had seen some rumors already that the custom coolers on the four 80s with overclocks and even water they were talking about getting up like 1.5 gigahertz on water yeah so this was only a 1350 so how much further is that yellow bar going to move over to the right once we get custom coolers on there exactly yeah and you know the ten 60s are gonna be great overclockers to begin with so yeah we go with those custom coolers on there I think in with respect to both brands both cards I think that it's going to be pretty close at least from what we're seeing so far both of these cards have good overclocking potential these from what it looks like for the 480 when it comes to custom coolers and we've seen we have some pictures of custom our X 480 coolers and they look pretty awesome they look very effective as well yeah we've seen some of them so far we got some appear firm from power color with their devil cards which usually like just the ridiculous overclocker cards they usually have my custom custom bios and cooling custom PCBs everything on those cards we got one from gigabyte and msi as well SAP fire so there's a lot of custom boards coming out and I think that's really what we're going to need to see to get the full picture of the RX 480 and see what it can hit yeah and that's what a lot of people are saying just in comments on my videos alone you know it's difficult to gauge the performance of a card based on its stock cooler its reference cooler and so that's that's why we're looking forward to this stuff for the most part just because then we'll see really how far these things can be pushed because most people are going to just purchase these cards and they're gonna throw them into their rigs some of us will overclock try to push them a little further but for the most part what you get is what you put in your iggin what you play with so these out of the box overclocks for both of these cards should should breaking things up quite a bit in terms of the graphs we were just looking at yeah and just you know even if the cards you know coming it like to 250 to 300 dollars here on the 1060 their tap they're saying it's you know going to be like 980 level performance which is pretty close that's this is it's pretty close fairly accurate I think the 1060 is kind of looking like a heavily overclocked 970 or a stock 980 maybe yeah and we have the the graph that you had right the the fire strike one what's the one that has the 10 970 graphs on it oh yeah I've got yeah we've got that up here so yeah this is um this is kind of showing some graphs I all wound up overlaying this year because it's really hard to see for people but um yeah this is kind of like this is basically all the benchmarks that I did in my review of the 480 versus the 970 which you can see it's it's weird it's really close the game is where the 480 pulls ahead by a lot is really the DX 12 titles that's otherwise it's usually very neck and neck with the 970 winning in some games yep and this looks to be in line with what we're expecting from Nvidia's 1060 as well if they say it's on par with the 980 we're going to assume that's a that's kind of like a stock 980 they're not going to compare it to an overclocked 90 because that would be that would just do themselves a disservice so if we say stock 90 we know that overclocked is severely overclocked 9 70s will approach 980 territory so if that's if that's true what they're saying then it looks like the 1060 will be very close to the RX 480 with these games here that you've already tested yeah I'm like I'm like I was mentioning the ones weren't really pulled ahead I'll buy a lot more was dx12 and that's that's the future that's the future is DX 12 we just saw today that there was a patch brought in for rise of the Tomb Raider where they added in 8th layer it already had the X 12 but now they've added in a sink compute support so in that type of testing you should expect to see AMD cards pull ahead and that's because they actually have it at the hardware line exactly hardware basis singer's compute and that's it's interesting at we were talking this earlier the the tomb raider that game was bundled with the 970 and I think the 960 maybe a few other nvidia graphics cards in the past but it's nice to see the developers not being I guess biased in that way because we do now it's pretty obvious at this point asynchrony favors AMD and it's because it's on the hardware level so it is good to see that they're extending that Direct X 12 support that is this is the way the future folks they mean these games are only going to be DirectX 12 based in the near future so it's good to see that they're starting to add these two games that have already been released on both directx 11 and 12 platforms you know I don't really know how far back you know hardware level async compute goes for AMD but someone had raised an interesting question to me yesterday was if do you think that this is maybe because they have already been supporting mantle from the beginning whereas nvidia they didn't do that and so maybe they're kind of playing catch up on that sort of with low-level api's that could be the k I mean look at the 290 that the 290x was was outperforming that 980 TI in directx 12 titles I mean we this goes back five six years and this was before DirectX 12 was even thought of being put into games like this so it goes back quite a ways we're looking at Hawaii GPUs for the 290 and the 3 90 x and all those so it looks it looks rather daunting for NVIDIA at this point unless they say they can fix this issue with software again this is kind of similar to the power issue with the RX 480 the pci power draw issue they're saying that these things can be fixed with software but software only goes so far you can't change it actual components on PCBs with software so you know I'm not sure if I'm not a print expert in asynchronous compute but I don't believe yeah but I don't believe that it's going to be strictly software fix fixable I guess what I'm trying to say no they've they basically kind of been able to just put up like a patch it's just like it's like a band-aid for their cards so that so that they can actually run these games and have them look look the same because there was even with the I remember with the GTX 1080 there was that press driver that they had showed against the arts for a teasing cross fire and the games actually looked different and it's because it was being handled differently in the driver by Nvidia it's that since then been been fixed and it should be at least looking relatively the same but the way that these cards actually handle it is completely differently it's apples and oranges and you know when you can actually see the difference in the in gameplay you know that there's there's there's just a such a wide divided right now currently with the two technologies and and hopefully nvidia can start feeling in that gap when it comes to a sinker computing right x 12 anyway because i may be clearly has a lead in in directx 12 so we'll see where it goes hopefully hopefully the the high antenna tease 1070 cards can can catch up via software but i have my own personal doubts about that claim it just doesn't add up to me so give given the information we have right now and if we were to you know kind of speculate with the aftermarket cards if the the 480 and the you know the 1060 end up being really really close with aftermarket cards and overclocking all things considered you know where where would you want to go with one of those cards would you want to go with the 480 it let's say even if it's slightly behind mmm would it be worth it because of dx12 coming in the future yeah it depends I would have to look specifically at Direct X 12 titles and how big of a lead the arcs 40 has over the 1060 in that regard or in those regards I personally I'm a fan of nvidia software I love and video software shadow plays great i love their GeForce experience yeah I it just I guess it's just going to come down to preference personally I think I would still go with the 1060 just because of the software but again if you're somebody who doesn't use shadow play very much I use that to record all of my on-screen activity by the way and oh yeah it's just easy you just pull it up and you can control or all nine whatever and you start recording video on your on your screen you can't do that with AMD they don't have the ability to basically screen capture straight from the card you have to use third-party software for that so that's an extra added cost but again if you're not into that stuff if you just play video games honestly dr x 480 is is in my opinion more future proof just based on what we've seen so far with its ability to perform well in Direct X 12 yeah I actually I kind of hate myself for like basically a hundred percent agreeing with you on the software side of things as I feel I feel like people going to come after that all these but you know your fanboys because really it really is really do I don't know what to tell you guys like I've used I've used both sides i've used nvidia control panel I've used Crimson I've used all that stuff personally I enjoy my user experience within the nvidia drivers more yeah I mean being labeled a fanboy is just something that seems to be going around a lot on YouTube and it's just I guess a retaliation to well you don't agree with me so therefore you must be a fanboy when it comes to video cards at least or maybe even see peers when zens release that should be interesting but for the most part it is entirely subjective so whether or not you enjoy crimson drivers and crimson software or you enjoy the GeForce experience it's just preferential there's nothing wrong with Fay bring one or the other and if we're both openly we're open about it we don't know hiding it but that doesn't make us necessarily fanboys I mean if that's what makes this a fanboy fanboys I guess I guess it's what we are because I I've said the same time again is I do not care what the brand is on the side of the card I really don't it's just gonna be what I want yeah it has to it has to cater to my needs as a user and exactly if I'm putting a situation where AMD and NVIDIA are just neck-and-neck side by side personally I'm going to choose nvidia because well right now I've got it I've got g-sync monitors so I feel I do feel kind of locked in as a result of that and then also I prefer their software and shadow play is great i can record my games with almost no performance impact exactly yep yeah that's that's kind of the state of s that's my state of mind currently our x 480 does look to be a very compelling choice right now I don't I would never fault you for purchasing it or do we do our car that performs around the 980 performance but at the same time if you're somebody who does a lot of screen recording or you just you tinker a lot with the nvidia software and that's what you enjoy doing more than the crimson side of things with AMD I don't know the gaming evolved I guess that's the software they use for them and plays TV you know it just it just depends I like the refined clean cut look of the GeForce experience but you may not and I might be a fanboy for liking that but so be it i suppose i know i agree with you i think i think for creators it can be a little bit more useful to have nvidia but recommending cards for Pete like consumers out there that are just just straight wanting to wanting to wanting to buy cards and wanting to puge future-proof and are concerned about DirectX 12 then exactly the 480 may be the better way to go now this is just remember though this is based on speculation we don't even have a 1060 yet here to test so this is just us talking about you know what's coming in the future and exactly you know and we already know that the 4 80's while I wouldn't recommend anyone by 24 80s versus a higher power card they do Supercross fire but on the 1060 side we've actually seen some interesting from the images they've got no ass alive fingers on there so people are saying you know no sli support which is very interesting to see nvidia hasn't yet said if the SLI bridge will be removed and everything will be transferred to the PCIe slot it's I mean from what it looks like they're not going to have an SLI bridge and they're kind of leaving us hanging at this point will the 1060 support sli kind of up in the air yeah we've seen things in the past about Envy link but I highly doubt that they would introduce that here at the lower end card on something like the GTX 1060 they would have done on a 1080 if they're yeah yeah that would have it would have been it would have been big if they did that and they would have played that up huge they wouldn't have done it with this you know silent almost paper launcher of the GTX 1060 exactly that's kind of thing I wanted to bring up is because they have they've had a lot of supply issues with the 1080 in 1070 the prices have been astronomical oh yeah as a result of their their paper launch do you view what that what's happening right now with the 1060 as a paper watch because I personally do yeah of course I think the 1060 appeals to a wider audience the people who purchase the 10 seventies and the 10 80s are going to be your more hardcore gamers or people who game in 1440p or 4k who have those monitors already and want to enjoy the experience in those higher resolutions but for the most part I think it's safe to say the 1060 will appear appeal tense but for the most part I think it will be safe to say that the 1060 will appeal to a much wider audience and that does beckon the concerns of availability prices price hikes I mean think about it when you when you choke the supply demand is way up here and you don't have enough cards the prices are going to be very high for the cards that are available what little they will have yeah and on the on the topic of maybe not having enough ten 60s available at launch i just went really quickly a quote an article over on an insect where they were talking about the 1060 yesterday they said in practice nvidia has been receiving / processing GP 106 for months so the formal launch of the gtx 1060 doesn't change anything but nonetheless hints that nvidia is struggling at some point in their supply chain to meet demand so based on that it sounds like they may struggle with this car just as much as they did with 1070 and 1080 and you know i had kind of thought maybe that that was because of ddr 5x on the 1080 but it's been trickling down into the 1070 also yep I mean look the company right underneath that sentence you just finished up reading officially the company is stated they expect broad availability of the card and that they are ramping up supply really fast quote on quote but it's definitely a case where have to wait and see and and that that's kind of the same thing that they were saying about the 1070 tending obviously both of those cards had a lot of exposure before you could actually purchase them except for the those who had review samples already so a lot of that was kind of building up underneath and then they said oh we have ten sevens available now and then they were all gone within like the first five minutes on every website trust me i was up at midnight checking they were all gone within the first five minutes so you know I expected 1062 be to be much of the same if not worse personally just because I think people can afford them exactly they're gonna want this car because it's cheaper and you're getting 1080 excuse me 980 performance out of it if you that looks like as good a bargain up a better bargain than the RX 480 at this point yeah it just it very well may be um maybe not necessarily on the founders ition at three hundred dollars but if you can actually find cards at that $249 price point that is very attractive it um you know if if it comes out and you know it's around three hundred dollars and it's you know maybe ten percent faster but it's costing like twenty-five percent more than you may have to start thinking about it or if it's worth it to you in your budget you know yeah and that's that just comes down to 22 preference what I will say is that and I talked about this in one of my videos if you're if you're looking for one of these clothes so you're looking for ten sixty it's it's been released once a really stay for the ten sixty by the way I should note July 19th July 19 so let's say it's July twentieth and your online looking for a ten sixty you can't find one anywhere newegg amazon wherever else you're looking inside yeah I think that's a foregone conclusion at this point on the 20 if there won't be any tents there won't be a delicious there's not gonna be it's a definite thing this why there's not gonna be any ten 60s available so you're I guess second instinct might be to check ebay do not spend five hundred dollars which 2060 it's it's so yeah just just wait I mean yeah you want a card up front unless you don't have a graphics card and you really need to do something up front and I guess in that sense you you you're all by all means I mean it's your money but I would never personally spend four to five hundred bucks on a card like that and you could buy a gtx 1074 cheaper than that right now and they are starting to creep back into stock right now so that's something to consider and plus once this comes out and we see the performance you're going to see the price of those other cards like the 90s and seven to use pricing is just going to drop exactly when you when you go to ebay and you're looking at those ten 60s for five hundred dollars just do another search for the gtx 980 his head and you'll find you'll find it like probably more than less than half the price of that yeah it's not I mean it's not as relevant now but I've released a video about the 90 DTI them in the gold edition from MSI which is a five hundred and fifty dollar card was going for four hundred twenty bucks yeah and that's something that I recommended at that point in time because the 1070 was not available you couldn't find it anywhere i was checking day in and day out couldn't fly in the card so i said screw it i want to buy a 980 TI because uh well they're available and they're super cheap and as i showed in one of the benchmarking videos they're pretty much the same in terms of performance and overclock ability so I mean consider that like I said look at the 1980s look at the nine 70s even you can get an overclocked 970 of the perform on par with some of the nine 80s out there so you know look at those before you spend 500 bucks on something that that is not worth that price at all yep yeah so I'll be curious to see these reviews I've heard some rumors that we should be seeing review sometime around maybe like the 14th or the 15th so that's a little a little bit ahead of when the cards are coming out on the 19th so definitely we'll keep our eyes out for that but I think we're going to go ahead and wrap up and get out of here now yes if you guys want to go check out science to do i'll have a link to his channel down in the description below as well as i'm sure he'll be linking to my channel on his upload cuz he's all living on on his channel too yep the exact same thing so don't worry I'll you don't to watch the twins so yeah you guys could watch it twice if you want watching everyone else is that watch it watch it they're all that good stuff you're really that cool yeah you want to be that cool yep alright thank you so much for joining you Greg and we'll catch you guys next time thanks for having see you guys you