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let's test out csgo see how that does twelve seconds later if you're sick of seeing the same activation watermark with your shiny new rig snaggin OEM Windows 10 Pro key from SC D key even if you've already installed Windows 10 on your machine you can shell out a little over ten bucks for an authentic key that'll activate your copy click the link below and use offer code as studio for an 18 percent discount on your order all right this one's going to be interesting I want to build a PC that uses no fans at all that includes fans and the case fans in the power supply of fans and the graphics card fans for the CPU I want no fans straight up I want it to be a dead silent system or confirm that with our sound meter and we're also going to be running through the parts and my justification for choosing the parts that I am choosing there are a few graphics cards on the market that do not utilize fans but I don't have any of those on hand and they're fairly rare difficult to get my hands on especially here in the states so I'm going to try my best to mod a card that I have on hand and just remove the fans or just turn them off down clock the graphics card and still be able to play some lighter 1080p titles maybe csgo maybe some dota 2 if we can squeeze out something like fortnight that would be great but I'm keeping an open mind because we're gonna have to down clock the graphics card a lot if we want to get rid of fans so we'll experiment all that in this video there's no guarantee of success but we can start off with parts that we know will work well without fans and the first place to start is the power supply so this is a night jar nj4 50 we reviewed it and dedicated video right here from silverstone and it utilizes no fans it's in the SFX elf form factor which is also pretty impressive so it's a smaller profile than standard ATX power supplies and again dead silent there's no internal parts that move so it's a good place to begin now as for the CPU I was debating whether or not I wanted to use Intel or AMD obviously they're kind of the only two choices at my disposal and the 2600 really struck home for me because this is such a low TDP CPU why something like 65 watts for this thing it does mean we're going to need that skree GPU obviously but that was the plan all along and we can actually even down clock this a bit thanks to the unlock multiplier pretty much every AMD chip out there can have an unlock multiplier that is nice but I'll have to pay a case Q tax like you would for Intel and that's going to give us some breathing room so if we do have to down clock which will probably have to depending on the CPU cooler we use we should you know have some breathing room I think if we go to around 3 gigahertz maybe a little below that we can run a beefy air cooler without a fan and this should be fine as for RAM it doesn't really matter what we go with although you might be slightly concerned about the LEDs overheating modules especially when we have no active cooling or any fan of any sort in the case we'll check temps but I think these APIs are Knox modules are gonna be fine and they look really good at that no scrolling through red and I came across this 3d Center or graph it shows performance per watt it's kind of a ratio between the amount of power that a graphics card consumes and the relative performance of the card in question so you can see that Nvidia pretty much dominates this chart and we're hoping Navi changes that soon but for now we're gonna have to go with an Nvidia card and we've kind of had no choice but picks one of the higher ones here so the 1660 ti seems to be one of the better cards in terms of performance per watt so I think we're gonna go with that one we have one from gigabyte I'm gonna strip the fans off of the shroud and see how far we need to down clock it in order to get it stable without a fan I don't know I think this is a good place to start if the 1660 ti doesn't work then maybe the 1070 which is a really good card I wouldn't want to go as far back as Maxwell though because Maxwell was pretty power-hungry relatively speaking I was one of the big advantages of Pascal at the time one of the reasons why I really liked that architecture now if you will excuse the mess in here you can see we have a lot of cards to play with but I'm again pretty sure we're gonna want to stick with something like a sixteen sixty or a sixteen sixty ti the ti had the better price to performance ratio in the chart so I think we're gonna go with this although a concern that I have sorry about the autofocus and it's not gonna be very good with this a 7s2 we have a yeah just a two fan card here so it's a smaller cooler and that's part of my concern with this if we have to drop the clocks too much to get this stable without fans running then we'll try the 1660 which is a triple fan card I have in there and it's it's just a bigger heatsink so more more contact with the air more surface area and that should allow more heat to passively radiate so what we'll find out no what do you think Pepsi you think we can think we can pull it off I don't know if she's uh I'm she's gonna investigate you're gonna check it out you think we can do it Pepsi think we can do it yeah I'm gonna have to get back to you on that one now lastly the cooler I don't want to use an h7 even though this is acquired Lumi and we got four heat pipes this time around I don't think this is what we want to use I think we need something a little bigger than a dark rock for even that the dark Rock TF looks pretty cool I'm just I'm 220 watts what's just 200 watts yeah we could go with the dark rock TF and just kind of wing it and we'll see how it goes the dark rock pro 4 would be the ideal cooler I'm not sure where I put that I know I had one of those around here somewhere but I put most of my air coolers here so yeah we'll just go with the TF for now and again we'll see how it fares I expect we'll have to do a bit of adjusting as we go along because I have not tested any of this prior to filming so yeah you guys get to come along for the ride all right so we've got this monstrosity built and it is entirely fameless' no case fans no CPU fan no graphics card fans I actually took those out even though I could have just disabled them I'm not sure if that would affect the temperatures at all but to make it truly fanless it can't have fans that's why I remove them and then also the power supply of course has no fan so this system when we power it on should be like almost dead silent there's other than maybe some minor coil wine from inductors and whatnot this should be almost totally silent so what I'm gonna do is plug in some fans and just kind of like let them hang so that we can install windows on this machine because I don't want it to crap out on me in the wind in the middle of the installation that would be pretty bad so I'm just to be safe gonna do that of course I can't like manually down clock the graphics card without booting into Windows first so I have to install the OS beforehand the CPU though I'm going to go ahead and clock down to probably and I don't know how low I can go with this board probably around two-and-a-half gigahertz or so across all course and really under volt this thing just to keep temps in check while we install the operating system all right let's go ahead and power it on see I've got two fans here once the graphics card just to keep that one fairly cool and then one just kind of hang here for the CPU again very temporary I just want this thing to post yeah probably should watch that okay the lowest I can get this multiplier to go is 28 and actually see if I can tamper with the base clock because I don't know if 28 is gonna be low enough see if either CPU voltage that's offset mode I would leave it on auto for now because I don't really want to find with the minimum voltages for this frequency we'll just see we'll steal a temperature spare and we'll go ahead and boot into our UEFI sandesh partition alright so what I've done is dropped the power limit down to 58% that's as low as I can go so 58% of the 100 percent power allocation that's just stock out of the box I left the temperature limit up you can on link these two typically when they're linked you'll see they'll scale together so I unlinked them and lower the power limit as low as I could go and then I left the temperature limit up to will just say 85 it's pretty high but I don't think we're if we do hit that temperature I mean there's not much more we can do core clocks dropped by 500 megahertz I've also dropped the memory clocks to a minus 500 as well and obviously no fan speed because we don't have fans installed a few moments later yeah I don't think I want to let this run for much longer if I close this panel off it would be much much worse the good thing is though and we'll talk about this later it's a dead silent system so do you really even need a left panel that's kind of I mean to block dust sure but Dustin's gonna make its way in no matter what so in the case of a silent totally soundless system with no moving parts having the left panel off really isn't going to hurt you much okay so I think I fixed the CPU throttling issue you can see actually now I'm stressing the CPU the FPU and the cache and temperatures are pretty much flatlined which is pretty incredible I thought not surely it would still continue to rise just at a slower pace so what I did was I disabled the core performance boost which is just what Asus calls they're like essentially like multi-core enhancement it doesn't allow the CPU to turbo past my set clock speed in the BIOS so you can see now if we go to clocks all the cores are locked to just under 30 20 100 megahertz so 2794 here for all six of those cores and that's keeping temperatures significantly lower actually only just recently did our CPU cross that 59 degree threshold so you can see it's been running for about two minutes now at this point two minutes into the test beforehand we were running at around 80 to 90 degrees Celsius so this is a massive improvement this should fix the CP side of things at least long term for a lot of games but we're still gonna have issues with the GPU so let's test out csgo see how that does twelve seconds later holy crap this card is hot this is like dangerously hot and the entire PCB is this way like the connections right here the PCIe dock is burning up I'm kind of concerned about this I shouldn't have shouldn't have been allowed to have gotten that hot but whatever for science we at least know that that's not gonna work the graphics card was the thing being stressed the most and it pegged itself at around 90 to 92 degrees Celsius before I decided to turn it off because that's just way too hot for 1660 or ti so I didi you uninstalled that's what just happened here systems shutting down we're gonna try out a method that crackling ice from Twitter recommended he said why don't you use an AMD graphics card because you can use Whatman you can really lower frequencies in Whatman to a much greater extent that you can't then you can in MSI Afterburner so I was like okay well at first they didn't really make sense to me but now it does because clearly I can't I can't lower temps any more than that so we're going to I'm not sure which one we're gonna go with I think we're gonna do an rx 580 and I think what I'm also going to do is rip the entire shroud off and just see if I can have like the bare PCB with the heatsink that way maybe you can get rid of more of the heat passively yeah let's do let's do the five ATS and we'll just we'll just try one of them see how it works and alright so this is the RX 580 pretty bare no backplate so I'm not sure if the backplate would help or hurt in this case but whatever there's not one here and then bare heatsink down below again not sure if it help her hurt but I think it's gonna help especially for the heatsink because there's not going to be as much blocking that passive heat you know radiation so we'll see how it goes again I expect we'll have a slightly we'll have slightly better luck with this I really hope so if we don't then this project is a bust because I have no other car that's this low-power that's still powerful enough to play games in 1080p so yeah we'll we'll try it out okay so we're in global Walkman now and you'll see very quickly why I think this is a good idea I think crackling ice was onto something you can lower the frequency by upwards of 50 percent you can see this would be pretty terrible if we left it like this what I'm going to do is keep it around 40 percent and I'm gonna lock the voltage to 800 millivolts max I think that'll be enough if it's not then we'll go back and change it might actually be too much now that I'm looking at it dumare oh well it didn't work and I'm sure you can figure out why the gravit skirt continued to reach 90 91 92 93 degrees Celsius in fact with our AMD graphics card because it couldn't throw it down anymore the system just shut off whenever it got too hot in an effort to save the graphics card which is actually a good thing so I didn't want to let you guys just kind of I don't know hang there without actually seeing a fanless build work but this system here is still fanless it's just not as powerful as I would have liked for it to have been so this is a GT I think it's 7:30 10:30 I think it's a 730 GT 7:30 anyway it's a pretty garbage gaming graphics card it's just more for people who don't have a GPS and who still just want to do like regular office work and stuff this graphics card fine for that but I wouldn't recommend gaming on this thing here we've shown you why in previous videos there are several ways I could have done this I could have again shoved like a really expensive high-end r-tx 2080 or 2080 ti into here and down clock the crap out of that because there's already run pretty cool out of the box and maybe that would have worked without fancy I have no idea but what I went into this thinking was that kind of the the better performance per watt cards would be the ones to use here and those still did not I mean we were running at 300 megahertz on the rx 580 and it's still throttled it's still shut down the entire system because it reached over 90 degrees Celsius having at least one fan is like it's a it's a game-changer it really is I would plug in one fan up top here and just kind of hold it over both and temperatures dropped dramatically just one fan getting some heat to be removed it's all fans do they displace air they move heat away from the source that's the point that's why we have these big heat sinks here right to absorb all that heat and then to radiate that heater convect that heat and so having a fan there does a huge chunk of that job and if you don't have a fan to remove the heat and it just builds up and once the heatsink becomes heat soaked then the remainder of the heat comes back into the CPU or the cheap view at which point it just content to get hotter and hotter and hotter and that's what we saw in this video through the multiple runs so yeah I feel kind of bad that this is the system you guys are stuck with but it's the best I could do it's a famous graphic chart it emits a low power card it's how it's supposed to run and the CPU is massively underclock but it was still getting the job done and when you have six cores your disposal it's okay if you drop some of those frequencies it's gonna hurt you in game but you're gonna be able to still run your day-to-day programs and not seek too big of a hit so is it worth it absolutely not in my opinion stuffing just one fan in here turning the RPM down so low that you can barely affect it anyway with that left panel on is is way better than choosing to go for a downright passive system right we're no fans are included and some of you were asking about why I wasn't using like the Exelero fanless whatever graphics card heatsink and there's like CPU coolers out there that are designed to be fameless I will say though you should think about this they still expect you to use fans in your case they spill they still expect you to have case fans so just because the the cooler itself is designed to be fanless it does not mean that that the manufacturers expect you to use no fans at all in your system so it would defeat the purpose ultimately to buy a fanless CPU cooler but then it still have fans in your case in my opinion and that's why I've never really advocated fanless designs just to me it just doesn't make any sense because you're gonna need a fan somewhere anyway if I could pull it off with this hardware I knew I could pull it off with the more expensive stuff that's designed to run familis and that was the point so for those of you who are gonna be commenting why didn't you do this why didn't you use this part I'm gonna time stamp this section of the video I'm sure they'll be plenty of your doing next month most of you don't watch the end of the video so anyway thanks for watching you guys especially if you did watch to the end of the video I appreciate that we had a lot of fun with this one but it ultimately didn't end up working and that's okay that's part of the experiment you kind of have to take the risk and assume the worst and in this case we didn't get what we wanted that that's alright we know why we know that the graphics card in particular was holding us back we tried AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards and we still had a similar results so that kind of sucks that card is very low if you guys liked the video a thumbs up you know what to do click the red subscribe button try to become a member if you want to be fancy gets special dedicated live streams things that sort and we'll catch you in the next one this is science studio and thanks for watching and thanks for learning