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so I have been checking out a few motherboard vendor and BIOS pages so for particularly boards that I happen to have on hand like the fatality a be 350 gaming K for I have that one in a closet so this is a potential victim I don't know but I'm just checking boards that I have to see if any of them support then two out of the box or with a BIOS update well obviously not out of the box but yeah well the BIOS flash can we get these to work with Zen to I actually found a thread on reddit that mentions some vendor supporting a320 which is definitely not officially supported by AMD they told us that explicitly a comput X that there was gonna be no official support for the a320 chipset on the news and two chips and for obvious reasons a320 is a very very bare-bones chipset and usually power delivery on those boards is crap but I found a gigabyte BIOS the f40 BIOS for the a320 em-dash s2h which I have actually will has it I'm gonna go get it from will so I can run these tests and apparently apparently and they just updated this on June 28th you have support for third gen Rison CPUs in this latest BIOS if that's the case then we can try to run our 12 core 24 thread 3900 X on a $40.00 motherboard I'll have to get that I don't know if I'm gonna include that in this video but I know I can do for sure right now because I have this board here is flash the latest asrock BIOS on to the a be 350 gaming k4 and see if we can get a fully stable functioning system with our 12 core packed into it so yeah let's give that a shot so first let's talk about why a beefy vrm setup is preferable to one that is miniscule to say the least the first variable to consider is temperature V RMS will get extremely hot and typically motherboard manufacturers will design their vrm arrays around heat sinks like this one here that you're saying that has integrated fins wrapping all the way around the vrm stacks and that's actually really nice it increases surface area contact to the air so that he can dissipate faster boards like these are meant to run 12 course 16 core chips overclocked for long amounts of time under heavy load scenarios and you want beefy vir v RMS to be able to deliver that power in a stable manner you want as little voltage ripple as possible they can handle higher power workloads so more current and they're gonna get hot but vor modules designed to handle higher workloads for longer amounts of time can typically handle the heat a bit better cheap v RMS and cheap MOSFETs will get extremely hot very fast even under small workloads and that tends to be what you find on some cheaper chipsets especially a320 chipsets as for this azrog board here things are definitely stripped down I expect V RMS and MOSFETs will run harder and we're gonna measure those temperatures as we're configuring the 12 core assuming we can get it to work with this BIOS there's also a few extra steps we need to do this isn't just a normal BIOS flash according to Azeroth so we're gonna follow the steps on the website just to be safe and then we'll see if we can even boot into our operating system with the 12 core installed that would be the first victory and the second victory would be overclocking we're gonna try overclocking although I should note that most zen 2 processors will benefit from not overclocking just enable precision boost overdrive and your bios and you'll be fine all I should say though with this board here this particular chipset you're not gonna have PBO I'm you're just gonna have precision boost and accept par which I'm not sure how those are gonna if I was said to so we'll see this is just one thing experiment hopefully if anything your morbid curiosities are satisfied alright so right now I've got a 1700 X in here and that's because you do need a compatible CPU the BIOS in question in order to flash a new BIOS you can't boot into your powers without a CPU in most cases so what we have in there again 1700 I have the 3900 X is cooler the stock will are actually on top of that and we're going to go ahead and start it jump it right here well there we go as rakhal's there's instant flash you'll see em flash from MSI you'll see Q flash I believe from gigabyte I want to say that's a they're all called different things but basically it's utility built into the BIOS to update itself and as long as you have I just totally missed my window to get into the as long as you have the extracted BIOS folder in the thumb drive that's plugged into your motherboard you should be able to flash it without a hitch so let's try that again okay so this took a little while I actually had to kind of troubleshoot and test out a few different configs here asrock does not mention anything about needing to update to a p5 bios before updating a p5 point eight the issue is I updated a p3 point four you can see here and when I did that P five point eight wasn't showing up in the instant flash tool so that told me that whatever BIOS we were running was not recent enough to detect or allow us to flash the latest five point eight bias so I tried 5.0 I tried five point four five point four works this was the latest a GSA update the the actually I think the BIOS update after this was for pinnacle Ridge I didn't use that BIOS i just used five point four and now we have five point eight showing up so if you're doing this with this exact board I guess this is the order of operations if you have a very old BIOS that was pretty loud thunder out there and I click enter we're gonna flash this BIOS now and then hopefully our motherboard will be prepped for our 12th core 3900 X all right so the BIOS flash successfully we hit okay so I'm gonna reboot I'm gonna boot into the bin the operating system just to be on the safe side especially with this kind of BIOS it's more experimental and I just I want to make sure the system stable first and then once that is confirmed then we're going to turn the PC off we're gonna swap the 1700 X I have in here for the 3,900 X and see if we can even get it to post and it post then we'll run a few other tests will try manually overclocking I remember we don't have precision boost to on these older chipset boards so we're gonna have a few issues more than likely with Ram we're also gonna have a few issues with the I guess equivalent of turbo boost right so when the max boost on the 3900 ax is advertised at what 4.6 gigahertz when I got really hot when you when you see that on the Box that's if you're running it with a board that natively supports the chip or the BIOS update in this case though I'm not too sure if we're gonna get those max boost clocks if we don't then manually overclocking would be a viable option but then we also have to consider the fact that the RM mosfet configure on this board is not technically enough virtue of course cpu at 105 watt TDP so what we'll see it is gonna be so weird running a 500 well for ya with 499 to $500 CPU in a sub $100 motherboard just it'd be really strange I always want to give these a little twist before you lift them because sometimes actually more times than not in my experience the CPU will stick to the cooler and you'll end up ripping it out of the socket while it's latched okay reapply thermal compound of course let's go ahead and swap this out you know if I'm being completely honest I don't even think this is gonna work I would be very surprised if this PC even posted and I'm not expecting much in the way of overclocking Headroom I mean maybe we can hit the frequencies we want around 4.2 gigahertz all 12 cores but we might have some super toasty prm's in response to that on this board so is it all that viable No do I recommend you do this no I just feel like I need to say that again all right you guys are gonna see this at the same time I do if it works it works if it doesn't well at least we tried so let's jump it and hope that it posts why is that fan not turning what's up help you there it goes okay if it posts gonna be awesome would be good news man stops again seems like it's power cycling I don't think it's I don't think it's going anywhere Oh hope you have a post is he gonna do anything else I don't know well let's see let's see I think it just just powered off again alright just give it a few give it a few tries see if anything happens it's trying so hard it really is there hope there goes got little rotating spheres actually posted awesome I'm not gonna edit any of that what you just saw you're gonna see all that straight up so it rebooted at least five times to get this thing to stick and now we have a black screen nope okay maybe it's just a video driver I didn't reinstall windows and we made the CPU swap so that might be for other reasons why Wow so a 12 core CPU working on a be 450 board that's something it's not something that aim be officially said they were gonna support they left it in the hands of the vendors and so yeah they're basically just saying as raw a gigabyte Asus MSI if you guys want to support these CPUs and your older motherboards by all means be our guest but it's on you we're not gonna force you obviously to support them and so it's just up to whether or not these vendors are gonna be good guys and grandfather you in if you have an older board like this and if you have a a cheaper board as well like this a be 350 gaming K for from as Rock'em again not recommending you guys throw 12 core CPUs into these motherboards but maybe something like a 3600 would be totally viable for this and we'll have to test to be sure but I have a good feeling when it's a 60 watt 65 watt TDP chip but it should it should be fine on a board like this it wouldn't be optimal but it still should be fine you get a tinker of it with RAM and stuff it's gonna be a bit harder on the older chipset but still possible so if you don't want to upgrade your motherboard right away but you still ones then - there are some boards out there that support it and you're gonna have to do some weird things and flash multiple biases to work up to the one that supports that your CPU more than likely like what I had to do in this video all right now I don't really want to run through my entire benchmark suite see if this is stable what I will do though is open up i-264 engineer and see first off how well the stock 3900 X coolers gonna do and cooling the chip but we're also gonna check the vrm temps about well as much as we can on this boy I'm sure there aren't many sensors on it but we will see if it opens up there we go and all right so you can see all 24 sorry I know that glare is pretty bad I can drop the ISO here we go no wrong way yeah that's better sorry about that okay so all 24 threads and all 12 coarse and right now looks like they it looks like they're boosting do around 4.25 gigahertz is it la is it overclocked to 4.2 maybe my overclock that doesn't make sense maybe my overclock stuck from before which in which case I'd be worried about temps looks like temperatures right now are pretty stable 37 see main board I'm not sure where these temp sensors are it's gonna be it's gonna be difficult to check vrm temps I will say that I could probe them but it's not gonna be a very reliable gonna read a lower temperature but anyway let's just run out of 64 and see if we have a stable stable system here so I'm gonna open up system stability test and so I'm gonna obviously you guys can see and let's just stress this CPU okay we do have vrn looks like we have vrm temps up here I'm not sure if those are reliable or not but I'm gonna leave it up here and we'll just see what happens so I'm gonna click start now stressing everything CP related to the CPU FPU and system cache like start and system got pretty loud but see how temps do ok so while this is running here and sorry that system is pretty loud obviously it's a thunder full load or near full load you can see that current frequencies for all 12 cores I can scroll I can't scroll down anyway most of these are around 4 gigahertz and that's still above the base frequency now there there are obviously going to be issues to hash out with biases and and in certain conflicts and software that will prevent these from boosting all the way up to what they should be especially per core but I'd say this is still fairly decent considering what we're you know are certain scenarios that would that were in right now temperatures 62 degrees Celsius right now on the CPU that's pretty good um for you know just a stock run with the stock cooler and yeah I'm pretty sure RV I think our BRM temps are wrong I will say though one of the one of the things I would stress especially if you have a board that doesn't doesn't technically support 12 cores out of the box or even eight cores and overclocking for that matter get a top flow cooler like the AMD stock cooler because it'll push air down on to the V RMS and will cool them off significantly better than say an a IO or just kind of letting them passively radiate heat so yeah I mean it works and look this speaks volumes about the platform I'm really impressed that that this even booted up to be honest and that was the whole point of this video I just wanted to see if it would work I wanted to find a motherboard in the closet that I had that was a b3 Series board that had a supposed to leaves into supported by us out there after akka did it they proved that it works and there I mean that's good now do I recommend this setup here obviously not like this is like a worst case scenario I recommend again a top flow cooler so you can actively or at least someone actively cool your VRMs because this is these are pretty toasty I will say that and I just stopped the stress test but nothing severely alarming at least up front and how often are you gonna fully stress your CP let's be real so it works if you're curious it's really gonna depend on the vendor asrock made it work here and there even some instances of like a a320 boards again working I'm gonna try that out in the next video we also have our official horizon 9 3900 X review coming out so stay tuned for that I just while I'm compiling a bunch of data because there's a ton there's like 20 graphs in that video I wanted to kind of fool around and see if this works and I also wanted to be one of the first to actually try it so hopefully you haven't seen this before if you have oh well I mean least you have second take on this and yeah let me know in the comments what you think you guys like this video if you appreciated that I don't know the morbid curiosity I had for this chipset and support give this video like that would be appreciated and I will catch you in the next one more experimenting to do we got lots of stuff I'm gonna try to possibly cool the 3700 X with a passive CPU cooler that'll be interesting and a few more experiments along with our official reviews again the 3900 X as well as Navi the 5700 and the 5700 x2 stay tuned for those this is science video thanks for watching and thanks for what am I gonna say here thanks for ya thanks for learning with us I totally butchered that ending but I'm not gonna cut it whatever you