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we'll see Renne is asking about how the law stuff is coming and the lawsuit update is coming very very soon we are waiting on the magistrate to rule on the hearing regarding jurisdiction so for those who are kind of behind them that I filed a motion to dismiss on grounds of jurisdiction that means I do not believe that the state of Indiana has jurisdiction over a small business operating in the state of Florida and my lawyers have done a great job I think of putting together that case so we'll see it really depends on how the judge rules and we should have good we should know soon I mean the hearing was like three weeks ago so it's it's two or three weeks ago so it is taking a while but I can't tell you much more than that because I don't know the outcome if if you know the judge says that they have jurisdiction and that means I will have to defend myself or have counsel defend me in court and again this is small claims we're talking about so there's literally like six grand on the line it's not like a huge class-action lawsuit or anything like that it is small claims and so we'll see but yeah interesting okay so for that from that we're gonna move on to a little eizember v 3600 now you guys probably wondering why I emphasize that particular CPU that's because I've talked about this before I really think that that CPU just like the 2600 just like the 1600 before it is going to be the best value chip of the lot and like I've said this before six cores is becoming the new four core right requirement it's really difficult now to get away with two cores at all which is why they've been largely phased out of consumer grade chips you go for an i3 it's a four core now you go for an i-5 it's a six core now you go for an i7 it's an eight core now right so Intel has been forced to kind of play the same game AMD has and that is force higher core count consumer grade chips to market and AMD has done a great job doing that they have radically changed the game there's undeniable but I don't want to focus too much on the whole core count argument I will say they're very vaguely that I still think a majority of you we're going to benefit the most and in terms of value from the six and eight court ships anything higher than that and to me it is just not justified in the majority of consumers eyes yeah it's gonna sound really good really good to have a 16 core or even a 12 core chip in your system but you have to be able to justify the uses for that chip you have to be able to utilize at least eight or ten of those cores and that's just the course we're talking 36 what 36 32 threads here at the most on a consumer-grade chip that's unheard of so yeah it's going to change the game but it's going to take a long time for developers to really push the notion that a higher core count computer is worth having and one of the reasons for that is because if you develop an application or a software suite or whatever just a basic program around a 16 core CPU as the mainstream chip involved then you're going to leave behind a majority of people who are running dual core setups and they are a majority dual core quad core computers most people are look on steam surveys most people are using dual cores quad-core hexa cores is where you start to see it drastically taper off and it's going to take a long time for for those to become again the norm so I I just I'm not totally on board yet with the whole idea that 16 core chips belong at suit and consumer grade platforms as much as I love the idea that AMD is pushing this higher core count race and they're leading it frankly they're forcing Intel to keep up I really think that past a certain point software starts to leave you behind and developers do that on purpose because not everyone can afford a 12 Courtship most people can't actually so there's something to consider there also something else I saw here there's a really good comment in the chat let's see here yep I grumpy monk says I have no idea why people are going for the 3600 X and not the 3600 so look we don't know yet we have no idea if the 3600 X is gonna be a massively good overclock or compared to the 3600 what I can't tell you though is that based on precedent alone I don't believe it's going to be that much different so you'll pay the extact s-- but you probably won't see huge gains or the gains that your money is trying to justify so $1.99 really good deal for 6 cores 12 threads especially with this increase in IPC that we've been expecting from 7 animator architecture but when it comes to paying another 40 or 50 bucks for a slightly higher clock chip are we going to see those extra gains added on top of what we can do with manual over clocks is XMP going to be able to or exit far excuse me going to really scale up those frequencies much higher on the X variants of these of these CPUs and in my opinion I don't think that's gonna happen I really don't and so we're gonna have to see yeah you know this stuff's coming out soon you'll see review soon and I'm looking forward to running my tests I want to talk to you guys about how I'm going to be approaching my benchmarks for these for these chips particularly how I'm going to be conducting my Rison 530 800 review because this is this is something we talked about earlier in our members livestream which we just had if you're a member then you should have been in that because I would have been awesome if you're not a member you consider becoming one maybe it's like five bucks a month but you're gonna get a weekly livestream with me personally there's only like there like today there was only two people in it right two people mr. K F gaming its Smitty weights I know exactly who they are because they were the only two in it I know we have more members than that but it's just that's the time that I can do it and a majority of my viewers are US base so I think this is a decent time and on the weekend I don't expect you to make every one but it's something I'm trying to do to incentivize members and make them feel like they're getting something for their money anyway we were talking in that conversation that just happened about how we're going to approach the interviews the 3600 is going to be by far the most popular chip I believe and the reason why is because it's it's literally undercutting I think everything to date on both AMD's to own site and Intel side the 8700 K is obviously the direct competitor to this CPU alright so you would think logically that oh well it makes sense then to compare the risin 530 600 to the 8700 K because they both have six cores and twelve threads and they yeah they both have pretty high out of box frequencies right that makes sense who wouldn't do that okay but here is cents in your swag buns you got my name wrong so I'd prefer you uh I prefer you didn't anyway so might might my approach this is going to be on the basis of price alone and what I mean by that is I'm going to test and compare CPUs in the same price category I might throw the 8700 K in there but for all intents and purposes when you agree mentally to spend 200 bucks on a CPU you shouldn't be looking at $300 or $400 CPUs ie just shouldn't because you're either going to really want it and probably compromise on other aspects of your system to get the better chip because it's the more expensive chip right why not or it's just going to be an affirmation factor for you're gonna feel better about your $200 purchase because well for 350 I could get comparable performance in the 8700 K which is what I expect it'll it'll be fairly close that's not I'm not my job is not to make you feel good my job is to give you the most informed purchase decision basis it's to give you the facts and to rule on those facts and insert my opinions where I think it's applicable if you don't like my opinions go watch other tech tubers they we all have different opinions I really encourage you guys to watch more than one or two reviews even if they're from channels you don't like and that would give you a well-rounded again opinion about the product an informed opinion as a difference between just an opinion and one that is informed so when you see my rise in 536 and review I will be comparing that chip to a comparable Intel CPU on the basis of price I will compare a $200 or so CPU to the 3600 I still will probably throw in 8700 K benchmarks but my conclusions will be based on the direct comparison between the two CPUs that are priced similarly because if that is the the conscious decision that you make to spend 200 bucks on a CPU then you should only really be comparing the two CPUs that are in your price category and so in order to kind of clear the waters right get rid of the mud and the crap that frankly doesn't matter to people who are more budget conscious I'm going to focus on price alone and that that will be the one fixed variable and of course we'll compare platforms will test temperatures I'm gonna shove a 3,800 into an X for fit and the hex 450 and do a B 450 motherboard I'm gonna overclock the crap out of it and we're gonna see what happens like we're gonna do stuff like that separate videos for all of that stuff I'm really curious as to how well a be 450 board is going to handle a twelfth courtship really curious even the 8 quart ships I wonder how then 2 is going to fare in terms of thermals do I think it's going to be that much cooler no I really don't the reason why I don't is because the frequencies are higher and there are trade-offs involved is it going to be more efficient performance wise yes I expect that we got that with Pascal from Maxwell we got that I well I don't really want to say we got that from Pascal tutoring because Turing added a ton of different stuff that really changed the game and some of you feel very strongly about that I understand but I I don't expect the rise in 5 3,600 to be a significantly cooler CPU in fact it will probably fair similarly in terms of temperatures too it's then plus counterpart the you risin 5 2600 will Patterson is asking is be 450 better than an X 470 and the answer is no X or 70 is the the more expensive chipset the chipset loaded with more features so you will want an X 470 motherboard if you plan to do hefty overclocking in my opinion with any of these higher core comp chips okay let's see here Sam woods asking why not be 350 and the reason for that is I'm not entirely sure we're going to have full support for that I don't know yet the motherboards that I have that be three of the board's I have in the closet might not work so we're just gonna have to wing it with what we have I am I think I have a you know like the cheapest be 350 PC mate motherboard in there and I'd be more than happy to do it if it would work but I know it's gonna work with be 450 so that's a straight up now maybe a separate video on getting be 350 work to work with Zen to but yeah we'll see I missed a super chat up here I'm gonna get to that I see fern Eva doll it's 50 Filipino I don't know what that is but I appreciate it thank you he asks is it worth upgrading from Core i5 6600 k2 horizon 5-2 or 600 it's kind of a vague question these kinds of questions are very open-ended and I know you guys don't realize it but there's a lot that Heather's Pepsi right right there it's a mess behind me it's cuz I've been troubleshooting and filming for video coming up later anyway where was I I was just thinking okay so we need to know more about your use case scenario in order to give you an informed purchase decision or an opinion and I 560 senator Kay's is great for gaming but the games nowadays are going to start pushing for something a little more than four cores 6 cores I'm telling you is a sweet spot now but unless you're starting to see games and really choked up over your 4 cores I would wait I mean if you're fine gaming if you're comfortable gaming how you are now then in my opinion there is no point in paying able money for a platform that you'll probably feel the same way about in 3 or 4 years I just don't know so I need to know more about your a use case Robert wills donated like two different $1 super chats I wish there was a way I could just like turn on like if you donate like a dollar you can still ask a question in the chat Cara it's stupid I really don't like that like you have to donate a minimum that like you have to donate $1.99 to actually get to put something in your super chat bubble I hate that I'm trying to look for your message if you if you asked a question Robert I can't see it I I can't see it I'm sorry but I appreciate it and yep so Casey yes good question good question is it better to overclock or let precision boost do its thing and my answer as of now based on my experience with Zen Plus and Zen is that precision boost and exif are a well EXO far it's going to do a better job than you will manually overclocking the layman who just jumps in and does a 4.2 gig all core overclocked and keeps v core on auto which is cringe but it's the easiest way to do it Rison has some room to play with temperatures so whatever I would recommend you start manually tinkering voltage though and testing if you have the time you're going to have a better experience or an equitable experience just enabling xfr so our precision boost so if you know if you really want to reap the most out of your CPU and a lot of what you do is multi-core enhanced then all core overclocks makes sense actually far too won't do that but in my opinion I think that precision boost is good enough on its own and I think that will be the case for the 3600 as well especially the non excuse because again I don't know if it's going to scale these CPUs or know that you have an X Q and there's a little more TDP Headroom it's really almost the same chip it's just slightly better bin basically and not even that sometimes it just it's just more heat tolerant right it's more voltage tolerance maybe that's what makes it an X Q right because all of these chips are bent right some of these four core chips are six core chips that you see in in AMD's lineup like the 3600 would it could have been in an alternate universe an 8 core or a 12 core chip right all right well when you add the second chip it's a it's a little different because it's it's not just one big die with CC X's now it's it's a triplet design so it's a different architecture entirely but if we just keep it with on on a one triplet design like if you want to max it out to eight cores it could have been an eight core chip but maybe two of the course just didn't pass the mark so AMD deactivated those right so now you're left with a 6 quart chip still multi-threading but it's a six core now not an eight core so that's how bending works in a nutshell right they just say do these cores pass the mark if they do then great and will sell it as an eight core chip does it handle overclocking well does it handle heat well can it handle you know lower voltage as well maybe that makes it an X cube let's give it a higher out-of-box boost frequency there you go and now it's an X Q right or maybe it's not an x QB cuz it doesn't do that very well so that's how companies creates queues that's how they break them down that's why you have more than just one offering like AMD isn't just selling in a course Q or twelve core 16 threats q they're selling multiple levels and you're paying for it you're paying more for the better bin chips right so that's how that works mr. most mustache most mustache sheesh I butchered the crap out of that but I appreciate that $5.00 super chat you ask is that a Breaking Benjamin shirt also do you think AMD can catch intel for single core actually yes it was a Breaking Benjamin shirt it says Benjamin down down there but yeah my favorite band and I've seen them in concert three or four times now and the latest I actually the first time I saw Breaking Benjamin in concert was with three days grace and Flyleaf back in like Oh 809 made me when I was in high school so it was at least 2010 but I went with McLovin do you guys know my club and Jacob we went with him and my dad and one of my brothers and we drove to Pensacola and we saw them that was awesome that was like one of my favorite concerts and I've seen them two more ten since then back to your other question do you think AMD can catch intel for single core I don't think they're gonna beat them I'll say that I don't think based on what I've seen assuming some of the leaks that will address here in a second are accurate and some of these websites I think are more reliable than others when it comes to leaks I think these leaks are pretty spot-on though I don't think they're going to beat Intel I think they're gonna come awfully close to matching them and that's good enough I want to make very clear that I'm not wishing and that AMD does worse I still think that there is going to be a very very small case for Intel in place of AMD part of it is gonna have to do with the IGP I talked about this at one point in a previous video the fact that Intel skis have a GPS helps certain workloads especially when it comes to Adobe Premiere helps me a lot that's why my current system is a ninety nine hundred K system because it helps me significantly but I mean this chip costs four hundred fifty five hundred bucks like it's a ton of money you know and sometimes more than five in a book availability so it's a really expensive chip do I get that much more performance for my dollar out of it I don't think so I think there's a there's a disconnect there and I don't think people the average person probably doesn't take the time to actually weigh that out so I don't think they're gonna beat them I don't know what do you guys think about that do you think they're going to beat intel on the single core chart and what I mean by that we you can say I PC say whatever you want let's just use Cinebench let's use Cinebench r15 because that's the one our twenties out now that our 15s long we can we have more scores to relate to there I really don't think that we're going to see the rise in 336 hundred I'll perform on a clock for clock basis the age 700k I'm not getting that vibe based on the the leaks that I've seen I do think though that it's gonna come within 5% and again I'm happy with that and to some people like that's that's not enough they still they they want AMD to be ahead and that's fine but you gotta be really careful with but what some of you guys are wishing for some of you guys really want to see Intel just get destroyed and like it's cool to see Intel kind of like have to bend over and take from AMD right that that's that's it that's it part of me is like excited because it's it's really just been Intel pushing it for the longest time and now to see a and B really changed the game in the cpu consumer space and see Intel have to kind of scramble to come up with something especially while they're 10 nanometer node is just taking forever it you don't want to wish though that AMD just completely annihilates them and and wipes them off the face of the earth because first off that would be really bad for the consumer in the sense that we would suddenly have no more competition and look whether you are you know for AMD if you're a fanboy or not you just you just pick the best value and that's fine that's how I do it you AMD is a business they're just like Intel they're just like Nvidia they have different numbers they have different employees but their goals are the same their goals are to make money for their shareholders right to keep the business afloat to keep the investors coming they're just like every other business in the in the world really and in the any capitalistic society is going to look at it this way and you know you have to be capitalist to look at this way to be completely Frank with you but and AMD would I guarantee you if the roles were reversed and they happened in the past you'd have people on it on Intel side rooting for Intel the same way that AMD fanboys are not even just fan boys just fans of AMD and I use those terms of loosely but if you're a fanboy I think it's a blind fandom of something I don't like that I think that is toxic and just not productive but you can still root for a company you can root for a company to catch up to Intel and that's what we that's what we have now but I think asking for Intel to be just crushed again not good because if you if you want until crushed then I guarantee you Intel excuse me AMD is gonna behave the same way and tell us now they're gonna be whatever an employee consumer they're not gonna be making huge upgrades with CPUs every generation they're gonna be very small and incremental like they have been from has both the skylake to coffee like to coffee like to whatever you want to call it right so we'll see anyway enough of that rant it's a good question I'm just gonna super shy here from more d'emic Mort to 220 DKK aqui I have no idea what that is Intel will rise again I am sure just like like with p4 so it keeps coming in waves right it's up and down all the time Intel really started falling off the ball around 2011 2012 Isis a little later than bulldozer piledriver but it was good at first but it quickly showed its age and Intel still had the IPC crown and it was it was a bet AMD made up they literally they made a bet and they said yes this is how programs are going to prioritize resources this is how they're going to handle data and and the pipeline workloads and then it ended up not really being that way the operating systems saw these CPUs at one point is four core chips and you got a like four core chips when they were advertised as a core chips what the heck is that where's that disconnect and AMD made a bet that the programs were going to utilize CPU architectures differently than they do in actuality and it didn't really play out for them but look they learned from that they came out with Rison they came out with a Verizon Zen plus I came out with Zen - you're gonna see results from that very soon and I see I see comment from blaze Intel isn't going to die they own the market for years yes I know I know Intel is not going to die they won't they they've owned they still own the server space ok they're not going anywhere but I just want to caution people when they say they want to see Intel fall that is dangerous because that mentality it's kind of like just like you're seeing in a tunnel AMD is the savior of the PC master-race and it's it's gonna be good to see Intel just fall right there but you'll very quickly realize that AMD is a business just like Intel so they might be the good guys now but ten years from now they might not be so that's why you don't want to throw all of your cards into one basket you want to promote could you want to promote a competition that's the word I'm looking for competition is healthy the more competitors you have in a space the more competitive the prices are that's good for the consumer and that's good for innovation too you could argue that companies are challenging other companies and the the the need to be different is what drives innovation so when everyone is we were watching a documentary last night on it was surfing something something about surfing it was Laird Hamilton and Laird Hamilton one of the all-time great surfers right and they were on I think it was Maui and I remembers Maui or kawaii and in Hawaii and they they were surfing and they loved surfing he was doing some cool stand-up stuff and they were experimenting and they love to experiment and they started taking these jet skis and these jet skis were like just coming out and they were using jet skis or wave runners to pull surfers on to the bigger waves further out and the bigger reefs the bigger shelves a mile offshore right that's that's a long way to swim doesn't matter if you're a strong swimmer that's a long way to swim and they were using wave runners and they were using straps built into the surfboards they were using to pull themselves onto these big waves we're talking 30 40 even 50 footers waves that surfers before that wouldn't have dared to even swum up to then also to know that if you fell off of one of those ways first off it's gonna hurt bad I mean you're falling three four stories sometimes that water is gonna feel like concrete and then you're gonna be just tossed and turn for hundreds of yards under this stuff thrown hundred feet underwater sometimes like it's very scary and when you don't have boats out there watching you and you're just on your board and you lose your board all of a sudden what do you do you're a mile offshore right and then the next wave comes up and pounds you they started using wave runners to pull surfers onto the big waves and it was that innovation it was that just out-of-the-box thinking to make themselves different to allow them to catch bigger waves that completely changed the industry and now you watch any surf show the wave runners are out there they're pulling surfers onto these massive waves that they couldn't get up on their own and so yeah anyway that little tangent there I just came to mind cuz I was watching that last night with my brother we like watching those kinds of documentaries it's it's that kind of competition the drives innovation when everyone's doing the same thing and you want to be different like I hate to say it like the whole thing different think differently things from Apple like that's a real thing it's a powerful thing because that is what drives innovation I want to see its we have a super shot from Ben Grogan 5euro I appreciate that thank you Ben if a MVC is a lead in peak performance do you see them match and tell us peak prices or keep below for fast market share gains good question I never really thought about how AMD you would approach this I think they saw this coming I think they knew they were gonna be just neck-and-neck with Intel especially now that Intel's been falling behind in the R&D debarments this is no secret 10 nanometers is further out than we thought it would be and honestly the stuff that they push to market right so the the the notebook SKUs of 10 nanometer stuff it really kind of a cut-down version of what they initially wanted it to be I mean these these chips are running essentially underclock there's way more there's a lot of performance gap there that they like to see closed in the problem is the fab is just not getting it right these chips are not being literally fabricated as well as they would like them to be and that's part of the issue with the entire node of the entire process it's taking them longer to produce chips that they think are viable for market and so it kind of felt rushed the whole notebook 10 nanometers thing anyway that is uh that is something that Intel knows is coming is AMD is here and now that they're here does AMD decide to raise prices in response to Intel's stubbornness right being that they've they've been the the market leader for a very long time and they have objectively the better chip when it comes to just raw IPC a better single core performance which is useful for a lot of things because a lot of programs rely on just one or two cores now that AMD is at that point now do they suddenly respond by raising prices because they can because Intel left that gap there Intel saying I'm not budging anymore I'm already really high up there and in terms of price and we've come down a little bit but we're a premium company we charge more because we can because we're Intel and I'm not saying until it actually says this but this could be the scenario anybody's saying well there's nothing too special about you now you might own more market share but we're coming up on your heels and we're gonna start taking over some of your server spaces well and and look our IPC differences are within the margin of error you know why are you charging way more than we are and Intel's gonna say because people are still buying our product and that's true they are people are still buying Intel skews even though you know inventories are there they've been dried up to an extensive but they're starting to come back and the 14 enemy or stuff started starting to make its way out again part of the reason again because they're fabricating both the chipsets and the desktop consumer grade SKUs on the same fab which is kind of holding up production to and that is something that I don't think Intel is going to respond to favorably I think they are going to lower prices they have to I think strategically financially they have no choice but to lower prices but honestly a 10% price cut isn't gonna cut it it's just not gonna it's it's not gonna fill the gap consider the 8700 K again if I went onto let's go into Amazon right now I know you guys can't see this I'm just gonna do this off-the-cuff let's go to Amazon and let's let's look up what an 8700 K is going for right now I want to buy an 8700 K right now it's not in stock it'll be in stock tomorrow 350 bucks so three hundred and fifty dollars for that you guys you guys be the judge 350 bucks okay four and 8700 K it's a great great CPU one of the best gaming CPUs in the market or 3,600 which might not be as good it's gonna be awfully close this time around we we we know that's its own almost certain okay I would be surprised if it wasn't within five percent okay even when we're talking about frame rates in-game I don't think there's gonna be a huge disparity and there wasn't before Amiens n+ was was closing the gap but I think this time around it's just gonna it's gonna be that extra step that they need to get on the same playing field as Intel with that at 200 bucks you have to Intel has to slash prices by at least $100 they had to slash prices by at least 30% and they're not gonna do it there's no way they did they can't I don't even I would be surprised if they even budget it for that kind of slash so I honestly expect that AMD is going to I think they're gonna keep prices the way they are and the reason why first off is because Intel they know Intel isn't gonna raise I mean they can't raise prices if they do it's just in response to a supply shortage but the demand especially after this new launch I think is going to shrink in the consumer space they're going to have it's gonna be difficult but I I think and I think AMD is going to stay at the same place they already were in terms of price and I think they're just gonna milk it because they can because they've budgeted it that way back to the budget thing with Intel I don't think and I don't think Intel has the the financial flexibility to cut CPU prices by that degree they just didn't go into this expanse I'm een maybe they expected it but that if they had expected it to this extent then they would have probably slashed prices a little more now I know we're seeing some articles talking about how high Intel is gonna have to respond with maybe a 15% price cut that's still not gonna do it for me it's not enough it's not justified in my eyes yet so when I review the 3600 against the insert $200 Intel CPU here then 9600 9600 K I don't know there's just one of those core i5 chips because that's what it's gonna be we're gonna be running streaming benchmarks we're gonna be running game benchmarks we're gonna be doing a ton of stuff productivity benchmarks I'm gonna give you the full spiel I'm sure most channels out there will and again I encourage you to watch more than one or two channels you guys really need multiple points of view here but I am I'm gonna show you everything and I would be very surprised if my conclusion around the 2600 and the 2600 X is the same as it is for the 3,600 because now that the gap is narrowed and the prices remained the same that's it that's a big jump that's a that's a I mean that's a Maxwell with a Pascal jump that's why I was so excited about what Nvidia did back then it was a big jump and prices were beautiful and AMD is giving us that much more they're giving us performance that is so close to Intel's now and we're just gonna be oh man we're gonna be barely hitting 200 bucks for a 6 core 12 thread chip comparable in performance we expect to be based on the leaks based on Cinebench runs at least to the 8700 K which is a cpu that cost 150 dollars more you can buy almost to our 536 hundreds for the price of one 8700 K and that's assuming an 87 or KDS even its stock right because until still trying to catch up and the supply chain so whoa okay all right I know it seems sensationalist it does it probably comes across that way and I apologize I don't mean to hype this up beyond what I think it should be but the rising 5:30 600 is going to be one of the best selling chips I expect that AMD ever ever sells the 1600 already was it was a very very popular chip and I just read Brian's good that's good that was good I appreciate the dollar ninety-nine it says Brian from bps custom says I hear my videos will be the best ones to watch and you're probably right look if you're neglecting my boy Brian's stuff oh you know what Brian that reminds me I got to get that I got to get that sweater okay I'll post a picture I got I'll post a picture of me wearing it after the stream but Brian sent me a dope looking sweater and I think you guys are really gonna love it anyway I think I missed another super chat up here let me get to that very quickly no one's looking you know a tube is asking if he should upgrade is 17 Ardex with the new stuff which which mostly gaming if you're doing most of the gaming I think you'll benefit from an upgrade especially if you don't have to upgrade motherboards so if you can if you can find a way to get your motherboard to work on the new stuff I think an upgrade CPU wise would be really good um I really think a 3600 is going to do to be a big improvement over the 1700 with respect to games based on what we're seeing so far I would wait for reviews obviously don't preorder or whatever even if you can do that that would be really weird and Dom in my opinion but I think you would benefit from an upgrade from mostly gaming yes let's see yeah scrolling up I missed one from the demo dem on Flair de demon flair huh I don't know if that was even directed at me but he added somebody and said I just got a rise in 569 474 bucks and I think was a really good deal today I waste my money not waiting for the news and processors ok good question so 3,600 for 200 bucks right 2600 for 140 maybe even cheaper than that and then 1600 for 70 bucks 80 bucks you can get these things dirt cheap and micro Center is it justified opting for the first gen stuff for less than half the price of the new gen the only way you can justify this is if you don't have the money to spend on the new platform that's the only way you can justify it josh is saying I'm speaking to quiet but I am in the yellow on my end so it's on your end there you have to a tube and says here have another $1 free super Thank You a2 if I appreciate I saw your earlier one as well I'm glad I got there Jack I'm glad I got to find your question I appreciate that I always lose my train of thought when this happened that's okay though I appreciate it the cheaper sentence and plus CPS the 60 hundred an incredible deal but it all depends on what your budget allows so if your budget is 500 bucks the 1600 is an absolute steal at that price hands down if your budget is even if your budgets five six hundred bucks you could probably work in and horizon 520 600 in fact I think we've done something very similar to that on the channel if I haven't already I'll try to make that work if you have a budget of around $800 to $1,000 I think the 3600 is justified so it all depends on your budget if you can't afford the new stuff that's okay I've been in the exact same boat it makes more sense to buy the older gents tough at a much better price you will get more about more value for your money frankly in my opinion I don't know exactly how these things are gonna play out but I honestly believe that the 2600 and the 1600 both at around a hundred bucks or less are going to be epic organs just like with used graphics cards even if the the CPUs themselves aren't used even if they are who cares it's a CPU like you have to do some really awful stuff physically to a CPU to damage it to the point where you can tell that it's actually been used so if you're if you're in the use market and you're hunting in the use market for a CPU maybe a full-on platform like a 1600 and a B through 50 motherboard and 16 gigs of ram and you can get all of that for 200 you know or 250 I don't know what would be a good deal I'd if it's 16 of RAM 250 let's say 250 for that platform is really impressive look you could only get the rice and 5 3600 for that price and then maybe a nice cooler right so in in my opinion it all depends on your budget if you can make room in your budget for the more expensive stuff in my opinion it's justified if you can't if your budget is tighter I would almost always recommend you go with horizon 5 1600 or 2600 over the Intel counterparts in my opinion it's just better bang for the buck they depreciate faster and like if I wanted to build my first Intel system since I started doing the channel it was an i3 4150 you know what that cpu sells for right now on ebay it's insane like why would anyone pay that much for an i3 that's five years old right and Intel CPUs a little different and Intel CPUs tend to depreciate a bit more but that doesn't that's not a bad thing that doesn't say anything necessarily about the brand it's just that aimed he was already cheap to begin with right and so to upgrade chips it's really not gonna be that expensive for one so that puts more sorry about that that that puts more of the cheaper chips into the hands of use buyers and for to mean they were already cheap to begin with and they're still selling some of these CPUs new on sites like Amazon and even new egg and eBay so if you can find these new for a hundred bucks then and you're concerned about buying use then in my opinion that's the better bet but if you have the money to buy the new platform I really think you would do yourself a service to invest in the new platform especially after you see reviews I don't again I don't want you guys going to this just headstrong completely closed-minded about buying at 3600 or a 30 whatever doesn't matter and 12 core 16 core variant doesn't matter in my eyes if you have the money keep an open mind because our reviews might might persuade you to buy that the 6 core variant versus the 8 core variants we might persuade you to buy the X variant or the non X variant right it's all kind of fluid it's subject to change that's what I enjoy about this this job so stay tuned for that again those those reviews will be coming out very soon and you guys should be amp because I expect the competition we'll be more fierce than it has been in a very very long time okay so that was a touch on the used market hmm let me scroll up here I wanna dress a few questions I see bends I see been super chat and I get to that a second I get some questions here from folks who are not sending super chats let's see here no one cares is that science today do you think 3700 X will overclock the same on 36 3800 X on all cores or with a 3800 X need less voltage it's going to depend I think there is going to be a little bit of both involved do I think it's gonna be substantial enough to justify the price difference not really so I mean again if you have the money just to kind of throw out there and you want peace of mind then going for the higher SKU just makes sense but if you're a budget conscious buyer and the target audience of AMD risin is definitely the budget conscious buyer the value conscious buyer I should say it's probably the more accurate appropriate term then the 3700 X is probably gonna be your better bet again just kind of I'm just just raw doggin 8 here I don't know yet but I'm telling you based on what I've seen in the past that this is you know especially with the X versus non-experienced which is essentially what this is they're both excused but like maybe this is like a Indies way of saying well we want our excuse to be a little more special so we're just gonna make all the higher court count ships excuse I don't know like maybe they come up with that excuse in the counter or whatever I have no idea but in my experience if the clock speed is the only difference then yes there's a bidding disparity but is it substantial enough just 550 $60 even $100 disparity in price in my opinion I don't think so I don't see that happening so and keep an open mind well like well you guys know about these things before you buy and we'll let you know as soon as possible the faster we get our content out the better it does on YouTube like there's an incentive to publish first we don't have publish so fast that we don't get all the information out to you but we wanted to be as comprehensive and as possible and we want to push it out as quickly as possible for you because it benefits you as the as the purchaser so that things don't go out of stock quickly and it also benefits us in the YouTube space because the videos that obviously are like the first to break the story are going to be more successful on the channel on the platform yeah um so you scroll down here I missed I'm gonna get to bend superjet here one more quickly what makes server chips besides ECC support anybody confirmed ECC might East consumer board plus 16 core chip replacing Intel entry-level servers there are a few different things server like server chipsets are different so server CPUs that are intended to be used in conjunction with server chipsets can be different the way in which they allocate lanes all of that will differ from just a generic consumer-grade board so there's a lot to consider and it's not going to be the same for every server great board out there but what I can tell you is that a lot of it is just going to be who they market it to so same thing with ISPs right if I went to Comcast and I told them yeah look I run a small business and I'm looking to start up like a a business home Internet solution nambeesan Comcast cuz my parents had Comcast back when I used to live with them before I was in college and Comcast was pretty trash so I feel this is a good use so Comcast will say ok so you want a business plan what do you want Meigs ups and ups and downs I would say like let's just say if they offer a gig solution up and down gigabit internet right they might charge the business like four or five hundred bucks a month now the advantage is for the business you get quicker support so if you call Comcast business you're probably gonna get someone on the line pretty fast and that's because these are like these are entire businesses relying on your internet businesses have more weight than an individual consumer in general so they're going to prioritize the business first they separate the Suites so that they can treat them differently right this is this is the case with a lot of different stuff I'm just using ISPs because a lot of people can write in on this channel than I speak now a Comcast consumer or whatever they call it Comcast residential will be a lot cheaper for the same internet speeds but the exact same internet speeds you get different support and I'm not trying to say that with server board you're gonna get better support although on a very general sense that is probably the case if you're buying a server board and a servers skew obviously ECC memory is a big advantage but it a lot of it has to do with the chipset a lot of it has to do with support like server server chips in general won't usually have I GPS server chips in general it can be cheaper than their consumer grade counterparts one of the reasons why would be I GPS but they can also be more expensive because of ECC memory they give you more expensive because maybe the platforms are more expensive maybe the motherboards are more expensive so from a finance point of view you could say well because the motherboards are more expensive it just makes sense to charge more for the CPUs are gonna be using in the motherboards right why not because people are gonna pay to anyway they're paying this much more for the motherboards so just a way to get you to look at it you can pull up spec sheets and look at all the advantages of a Xeon ship for example but a lot of it has to do with how they market it honestly that's a good so a really big deal let's see yeah a good point mister insights that business is PS get priority traffic and that is the case for I know of at least I know Comcast does it for sure that's why you see example I'm not sure how other ISPs handle it but businesses again are more important you're going to treat them like first-class citizens because they pay more right and they usually have a lot broader clientele and if the business isn't getting service from the ISP then the business is going to use that excuse to its clients and then its clients know that that isp is just terrible so you really want to make sure that they're happy let's see here follow neuroscience studio got a 69 50 X 4.3 gigahertz last year for 600 euro cheaper not to downgrade from X 99 to a consumer board is the 16 ffd X going to stand against arisin 3 not expecting to win yeah I mean that's like those are very very different platforms 3 different target audiences I don't think yeah I don't know I can't say for sure I've been charged at the 6900 X you can compare that to something like consumer grade ship like the 8700 K or the 6700 K but if you're already on that platform you put all that money into it just stick with that as long as you can there's no reason to really downgrade per se unless you want to just sell out right now if you can sell that platform and get a lot of money then I think that's a wise choice because that platform is a dead end and if you invest and say the aim for platform or whatever I could be whatever Intel offers next and I think you'd be doing yourself a favor depends on how much you can sell that platform you're currently on x99 for so we'll see rx 299 is X - no no no X 99 yeah X 99 that's you them all confused anyway now a couple more questions here and then we'll wrap this one I appreciate you guys for watching about 600 people watching it's pretty awesome and I I'm seeing a ton I literally had the chat pulled up right so what I've been looking at this whole time the cameras there but I've been looking at a chat the whole time I'll make sure I didn't miss any super chats your real quick Ian Thompson asked is it worth the money to go with X 570 over X 474 3700 my answer is no it does not and the reason why I'm saying it's not it's because AMD told me that it's not AMD said if you have X 4 70 unless you want like support for PCI for maybe have like a Gen 4 M to drive and you want to reap the benefits of like a faster drive then I might be one of the reasons why you should go with X 570 but AM be straight up told me to my face that people on X 470 are already good enough like they're not gonna any issues so I take that at face it I mean if anybody's telling you that like I wouldn't trust the motherboard vendors per se because the mother word vendors want to sell any boards like that's a goal Affairs it's like when MSI like MSI told I forget who it was a MSI told somebody that or I saw it in a chat or comment or something MSI said that they recommend upgrading to x5 74 there for the latest is n2 boards I think they said something along those lines and my response to that was well of course they did they want to sell those motherboards they have to make a case for them and in my eyes now the only case that I see is using some really freaking fast put the nvme in about two drives because that's really the only place you're gonna see a Gen 4 PC agent for actually work out apart from that chipset wise feature wise you're not going to see much of a difference when X 4 7 seventy so if you already have X 470 my advice to you even before I get these CPUs is don't upgrade because I've been told enough about these chips from AMD directly I've been till now for those chipset excuse me that I'm confident enough to say that that you shouldn't expect to buy a new motherboard if you're already on even be 450 I would wait be 450 might work as well I expect it will but overclocking potential we're not sure yet I'm gonna throw a really expensive rise in CPU and would be 450 board and I'll tell you how it fares and I'll try to do the same with a be 350 I did that with the 2700 X I'm pretty sure I threw that in a beef 350 board as well terrible VRMs on that board and it still worked I know the pretty hot toasty vrm is but you know we'll see oh gosh alright let's do um oh plus 2 C I super chatted mm-hmm asked if Rison based a core CPUs for consoles will make six cores of bottleneck no I don't really think so because the way that consoles have done this in the past especially like them I know the ps4 I think I think the piss where did this like what the ps4 does and what other consoles tend to do is they will allocate one or two cores for certain tasks and then the other six cores for processing games rendering things of that sort right draws calls from the GPU well it's an APU so it's really kind of that's not really accurate I didn't think about that but typically you'll see cores kind of blocked off for certain tasks so like one core might be to run the home screen and that's why whenever you click that the home button on the playstation controller whenever you click little PlayStation icon you go straight to the home screen now it's cached in memory obviously but the CPU is there to handle that so there are different ways to allocate CPU usage and that is why I don't think it's going to radically change the way devs look at core count it has changed it to an extent since the release of Rison 1 but I don't think it's gonna suddenly make 6 core chips obsolete I don't believe that will be the case and one more super to hear from go to e3 64 Dynasty which I appreciate that thank you he says what's up man quick question is it worth the upgrade to go my 1600 X to an 1800 X I have a 2070 depends on what you do again if you're if you're just gaming you're not gonna see a big difference at all these games the difference between six and eight cores in most games is negligible so your frame rate might not even go up in fact it might go down a little bit you never know and so and if you're if you're trying to stay within the same family yeah I would definitely say pass on that if you're doing some heavy streaming and you see your your CPU utilization being maxed out in a lot of games that you're playing then that might be a case for it but in general I would say no that's not a good idea I would consider either the you know if you can sell your 1,600 X for 50 bucks 60 bucks maybe a little more than that and you want to get a newer CPU I would look heavily into Zen - that's rising 3,000 or some higher core count Zen plus so like the 2700 possibly that would be a pretty worthy upgrade and you would see definite gains especially with respect to XMP support and slight PC bums frequency bums will help across the board alright folks you guys been awesome I appreciate all of those who have watched especially through to the end again if you want to become a member and you want to have those 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