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yo ho P good I think we're good Mike my computer's telling me we're good so I'm going to assume that we're good and I'm watching myself in the live stream and trying to verify that it is indeed ready to rock by the way for those who are wondering about the why is this camera I feel like whoops I feel like the cameras like zoomed in like really far back in order to get this in the shot for those were wonder about the live stream or the live stream the giveaway the the two graphics cards that were giving away to international viewers as well as the full-on PC build sponsored by gigabyte and Animax those announcements those winners will be announced I what is the day let's go ahead and uh belay I've had a few people ask me and I'm like look I don't even remember what the I don't even know what the I don't know what the date is on those so let's just go to videos here and let's just see how are we doing what's going on folks if you guys are doing awesome I see zombie civvies I see what's up a to pan what's going on you guys we were just chatting in our bi-monthly hangouts chat if you want to be a YouTube member it's like one of the things that I try to do to make you guys feel more special feel like you're getting something for your money which I appreciate by the way you won't under no obligation throw money at me but I'm certainly not gonna say no and I want to try my best to make you feel like you're getting something for it so thanks to those who were in the chat it was awesome we had more people this time than last time which is an improvement and the time before that we had nobody so I will admit that was the first time we ever did it so not many people think about it but I did make the announcement and the YouTube whatever feed so you can target members specifically kind of like you can do with patreon like tears and stuff anyway I wanted to check the giveaway date let's do that real quick so if you click on giveaway date I'd see let's click the giveaway link first that would be helpful and it says it should says the giveaway and what day is it Oh three days left okay so what the sixteenth is it thirteenth now yep so the sixteenth is when you guys will know who won and I mean look your odds are gonna be low I'm not gonna sugarcoat that what their their odds at least you got something you got something let's see here someone saying I'm too quiet so I'm gonna turn myself up if I peek it's your fault just saying I'm turning myself up because I am like in the yellow solid yellow I was before now I'm like almost in the red so anyway if you guys complain about it I will try to fix it so let me know how it sounds now but let's see ah this many weights is by weekly meeting every other week yeah that's what I meant then bi-weekly is I was looking at that inside out I'm singing bi-weekly meant twice a week yeah that makes more sense anyway yeah that giveaway video is up on the channel if you want to check out how to enter and you haven't entered yet there are two chances to win for international viewers and there is a single chance to win a full on a PC for lower 48 can continuous 48 whatever you want to call them continental 48 US so if you live in Hawaii or Alaska you count as international but the good thing is you have two chances to win the international giveaways and those are graphics cards and to be honest if we just look at my demographics from the channel about half of you are us-based and the other half of you are not so technically international viewers have twice the odds that US viewers do granted the u.s. viewers have a chance to win something much more valuable so that pcs at least a thousand bucks probably a little more than that there's a twenty seventy in there and a ninety 700k that's already like a thousand bucks on hostess so it's over a thousand dollars worth of parts and that PC but there's only one chance to win that for obvious reasons it's one PC graphics cards easier to split those up so one of those going somebody in some other part of the world and the other ones going somewhere else and some other who knows maybe two people from the same country when I have no idea by the way I've had like a few people from India I don't know why specifically Indians we're asking this but if you live in India and you are curious as to whether or not you are valid to enter the giveaway the answer is yes you can enter the giveaway you are international by definition I actually defined it in the video so just feel like felt like I need to point that out a few people from India are asking that question so yes if you are not in the lower 48 you are international you are eligible if I can get you the PC or well not a PC I expect to be able get it to you in the 48 states but if I can't get you to graphics cards for whatever reason maybe like DHL or USPS or UPS or FedEx will ship to your country or your specific city then we'll work out something else maybe we can just send you a cash equivalent or something like that so yeah that's really extent to the giveaway thing I will have a video coming up very soon to recap that and also to announce the winners we're also gonna be upgrading the giveaway PC with some spicy cable mod cables so you guys stay tuned for that you know how how much I love them custom cable specially yeah the money for it alright Seeger I am Groot says I'd science to do for 1440p gaming with 1080i which is n to CP would recommend I'd say 3700 X that's what I said in my review I think that there's Evan X is the best so far the best value CPU for gaming but the 3600 would also be one to consider because you're gonna get almost equivalent 8700 K performance out of that ship for 200 bucks but because you have a 1080 T I would say go a little go a little up because you can be a little more future-proof although I hate that term and copy yourself 8 and 3700 X which i think is an incredibly good CPU for the money alright so yeah let's talk about that let's uh let's let's recap I did see a super chat real quick let me get that one I see r AP I don't know if Soto what's up Soto $1 9 a super chat all right thanks for the be 350 video no problem thanks for watching I hope you enjoyed that and if you're curious I have the a320 video up now so we actually got a 3900 X to work on an a320 motherboard so there's there's also that video if you're interested anyway yeah glad you enjoyed that and what's up max stennheiser says it's the aboard grit all caps what's going on max good to see you yeah let's recap risin risin we'll send two now once a risin - its really risin three Zhen - it's confusing rise in three thousand let's recount 3,700 accident 3900 X what do I really think no one cares asked a good question we'll start with that 3,700 X or 3,800 X I've had quite a number of you actually I especially on Twitter which is where I want you to guys I want you to ask questions on Twitter if you have a question about something or you have an issue with the part or whatever you can ask the question directly on Twitter to me I will see it I go through every single notification so I'll see what you tweet to me or you can address the question in discord and not just me but many people will get to see it and chime in so if you want more than one viewpoint if it's an opinion maybe I suggest doing it on Twitter or on disk or excuse me our public discord is linked in the description it's a permalink and then you could also Facebook message but I don't really go through facebook Messenger a lot it's just there so like it's just kind of a clutter there and usually people write really long message is a good thing about Twitter is like it forces people to condense their questions so it's better for me it saves me time I can't afford to be a you know what's the word I'm looking for not client I can't afford to be I can't advise everybody all the time on their PC needs so my my go-to is asking on Twitter because it's condensed I can usually get through them pretty quick sometimes I can even answer in one or two seconds so that would be you know something really really easy for me but it also give you the feedback that I hope you're looking for John Cruz Cruz Krauss I hope I said that correctly but welcome to the member squad John if you are a member you can join us every second week and fourth week of the month on Saturday right before these live streams and that way you can get more one-on-one time with me so we just had one of those calls on hangouts and like four or five was in there we're just chatting it up for an hour so it's a cool way to just be a little more it sounds sexual I don't mean it to sound sexual but it's a good way to be more intimate with those who feel like you know throwing money at me basically there's no other way to put I mean it's like five bucks someone that I think we get like three dollars and fifty cents of that so it's not something I really promote a lot but the button is there if you're interested I appreciate that anyway back to the question I see Bob Flanders let me get to that in just a second I want to answer this question first 3,700 X to 3800 X might this is this is my my perspective on that the 3,800 X has a slightly higher boost frequency a slightly higher max boost overall which means that under certain scenarios assuming you have a board that's capable of pushing these kinds of frequencies with an appropriate amount of power delivery that's stable minimum voltage ripple you want low enough temperatures and a steady enough current supply that you can maintain higher boosts for longer then you should in theory have a better CPU at stock with a 3,800 X now how much better does 200 megahertz justify a 30 40 50 actually in this case upwards of $70 price Delta in my opinion the answer is no and that's why I think ambi decided to to source out and to send samples of the 3700 X and the 3900 X not the 3800 X and 3900 X it sounds a lot better to say hey we got eight cores 16 threads 4.4 gigahertz max boost for 329 bucks sounds a lot better than saying hey we have eight cores 16 threads max boost of whatever the 18 or 3800 X's a 4.5 4.6 max boost whatever for 399 basically 400 bucks sounds way better at 329 right and really you're paying for a slightly better bin chip because that's why they can boost slightly higher right I can handle the frequencies higher and lower voltages and so you have that trade-off but is again it does that justify of $70 Delta in my opinion no Ally the discord link is perma permalink in the video description everything that you need is in the video description that's why the video description exists but yeah so in a nutshell I do not think that the 3800 X is justified at a $70 price hike now if it came down to 350 and then we're talking 20 30 bucks different story I might say yeah the 3800 X is great and look it's the cost of a cheap CPU cooler to upgrade that's my opinion I think that it's just a little too expensive right now to just by the small performance Delta and you're only gonna get from a 200 megahertz difference in boost frequency per across one or two cores most typically how it scales I don't you're only gonna get maybe like five extra FPS if we're talking about a game that's already playing at 120 or 130 FPS does that $70 really make that much sense in the CPU side no in my opinion take that extra 70 bucks saved when you forego the 3800 acts in favor of the 37 decks and spend it on a better graphics card does that make sense to you that's the difference between two twenty sixteen to twenty 70s the reverse between a rx 580 and Vega 56 as a difference between a gtx 1070 of gtx 1080 right so you could spend your money in better places if you want a game even if you're just content creating i would say that saving the money is a better option you can get a way better cooler have a quieter system you could get more ram you can get a better motherboard there's a lot of stuff you could do with 70 bucks and i don't think you should throw it all into a cpu basket where you're only getting an extra 200 or so megahertz of boost so yeah sorry about that someone said the camera is focusing on the microphone so i'm gonna move that out of the way actually just lock i'll just go ahead and lock the focus sorry about that guys let's click on video capture device let's pull up the video configure right or focus yeah auto yeah turn that off yeah that's not focus let's get it way back that's better apply okay and we're gonna lock it okay shouldn't focus anymore sorry about that and i know that it's like a webcam so like the quality's not that great but i this isn't supposed to be like a super hardcore you know fancy stream i'm not really into that it's just a live stream you guys are just here to hear me talk and to chat it up with me so yeah Cam's gonna be blurry that's just because it's a cheap webcam again for hustler maniac we also had another member I wanted to point that out I just saw that someone became a member here was a hustler maniac 85 is actually you what's going on hustler I appreciate the membership again hangouts we have dedicated streams basically where you guys can call me and talk to me for an hour before the livestream we chatted it up before so yeah hopefully that's something that you feel like is allowing you to get some of your money is worth a tube in that $3 20 cents super chat 3:20 F's for that pour a through 20 board from yesterday's video got pretty toasty but you know what what I was surprised buying that and what that motherboard is that the VRMs themselves like the MOSFETs in particular really didn't get that hot the chokes did but again like I said in the video the chokes are not like it's just like a bunch of powder and copper like they're it's a it's it's not anything that I would be concerned about I checked several sites that confirmed including one of them was actually hardcore overclocking that guy knows his stuff like he does tons of motherboard of use and he looks specifically a power delivery and even he said that the chokes you know he who cares Joe if chokes are like at 150 C then chances are other stuff on that board is about to die but it wouldn't like the chokes themselves would be concerned about so I was probing chokes just because that was like an obvious place to look at through the IR thermometer but the MOSFETs themselves at least according to that fluke meter really weren't that hot so that just tells me again the board was kind of throttling yourself it was the board throttling power because it can't handle huge amounts of power delivery it's a a320 board what do you expect right let me get up to the other super chat here from Bob Landers looking on Bob Flanders $7.00 $0.77 super Chad's a good number appreciate that Bob hi Greg how are you doing 3700 X or 3900 extra place of 4790k what motherboard make make believe money doesn't matter okay all right so here's I'm kind of gonna summarize again my 3900 X review because I what I really wanted you guys to take away from that comparison was that for a vast majority of you 12 cores is kind of pointless it's something that I think AMD says well there's probably a market for it in fact they know there's a market for it that's why it exists but that market is small so the ways that we're going to counteract that and kind of bring this into mainstream because it's not a consumer-grade chipset right it's on aim for it's not the red repartee more the way we're gonna counteract this is twofold first off we're going to make it available on the consumer chipset which is incredible the fact that we could even run that on an a320 board which we confirmed on this channel in the last video is awesome but then on top of that the fact that they're only gonna charge for Nana and I on saying like only five hundred dollars like that's a lot of money but for 12 core CPU think about how much we had to spend for a 12 core CPU six years ago right 499 dollars is peanuts compared to what that stuff used to cost especially at those frequencies usually when you buy those high-end Xeon CPUs either they're locked or they have low base frequencies like really we're talking like 2 gigahertz low right because for servers you don't need a really fast process you just need a process with multiple cores for vm's or whatever you happen to be doing so the fact that they made a main stream I think was the point they just wanted to say look this is what we're able to do and yes we think people will be able to use 12 cores there are certainly cases out there for them but is it something that we expect many many people to buy just because whatever just because they want to have 12 cores no I don't think so I I don't think that they went to this expecting the 3900 next to be the best seller obviously lower price chips are going to be way more appealing to the masses the 3630 300x is gonna be an incredible cpu from a value perspective it already is a few reviewers have already confirmed that we're gonna get our hands on a sample here this week so stay tuned for that the other issue that I'm sure some of you are wondering about is is the gaming scenario and the the being future proof right so that was why I was sure in that video to show the streaming capabilities of both of the 3700 acts and 3900 acts and to show you that the deltas so like the the FPS lost the percentage loss on the streamer side frame rate was really about the same so if you have a CPU that is really saturated let's say we have our 3,500 X's totally saturated from streaming and gaming right or let's say it's totally saturated already from just gaming so let's say GTA 5 is using all 16 threads which it doesn't let's assume for the purpose of this argument it does if it's using all six threads or a 6-3 if it's using all 16 threads then if you decide to stream on top of that you're going to see a harsher cut into your streamer side right that's because the CPU is already being essentially choked from the start when you add more of a workload on top of it it's going to compound itself and you're going to see the CPU make serious compromises in your framerate now if you have some breathing room let's say you move from the 3700 X up to the 3900 X and now all of a sudden you have four extra cores and eight extra threads that are just kind of hanging out and GTA 5 is not using those then you would see a smaller margin a smaller drop in overall performance in game a lower frame rate drop ultimately because that CPU isn't being choked from the start now GTA 5 is not a good example of this because GTA 5 is it's you saw in in the benchmarks some of those threads weren't being utilized at all so don't take this at face value I'm just using it as an example here the issue though with the argument that well the 3900 X is better for streaming is that it really only applies to a certain number of games very few games are going to saturate eight cores let alone twelve so if you can find a game that you play a lot let's say you exclusively stream shadow of the Tomb Raider which did happen to use a good extent of the threats that we threw into the 1300 X was I would say relatively saturate they're not fully saturated but every thread for the most part was at around 50% or more utilization which means that you could use more cores to offset workload from single cores and in theory with an all core overclock benefit to an extent I don't recall if the shadow the Tomb Raider benefit from a manual overclock or not but if it did it wouldn't be a serious benefit I wouldn't think so with that in mind then you can you could probably make the case for the 3900 X but because our results in GTA 5 at least showed that the 3700 X lost the same percentage of frame rates that on average and across 1% of 1% Lowe is if I recall correctly again that 3900 axle lost then you could just say well the 3700 X is good enough because I'm losing the same percentage of framerate so my my loss what I'm foregoing let's say I lose 10% of my average framerate right for the entire stream then I'm losing 10% on 3900 x2 like I'm saving a hundred and eighty bucks to to literally have the same performance impact that a $500 CPU would have so my justification is for the 3,700 X even for streamers because a core is still future proof that's something that AMD is certainly trying to change they're trying to make that consumer grade now and they're trying to make you I mean its consumer grade but they're trying to make it the standard now and you can tell by the way they're aggressively pricing their products right I mean they're making eight cores attainable to the masses and that's that's difficult that's something that Intel surely hasn't done at this point yet I would be great if they did and maybe Intel will follow suit maybe AMD will pull Intel under that ring and then you'll notice that AMD well it flip-flops right it used to be time when AMD was awesome and then kind of flip-flopped and then Intel made the superior product and then until it kind of got slow they got sloppy they didn't have to be competitive because they weren't being competed with and then anybody comes back and says yeah well we got this stuff now and then look oh we're improving it and then all we improve it even more and what do you know we're basically neck-and-neck with you and our prices are more competitive than yours hahaha oh and power consumption we also went to the power consumption front too we might not be the best overclockers but we're giving our consumers ninety five percent of your performance and seventy percent your cost isn't that awesome so my yes Daniel to answer your question my answer is the 3700 X just a better body it's the best buy of any eight core or twelve core CPU on the market today if you want to buy new there's a case for the 2700 X at a deep discount there's also a case for the 1700 X at a deeper discount but again you are losing performance on account of the node change also the fact that the clocks are lower and you you might lose support elsewhere like extreme memory profiles things of that sort if you drop to be 350 or X 370 excuse me so Santi access doesn't the extra for course helped a lot in the streaming side no I just answered that question rewind the livestream I just talked about that so but the CD turfy so with all this said who would you say that they're gonna Texas for I said it in the video I would say 3900 X is for heavy productivity minded people if you I mean a nutshell if you use products that take advantage of the core counts you could run a VM you could in theory you could run multiple VMs with this with this chip this 12 courtship and you could potentially turn it into a heavy streamer renderer and gamer all at the same time there's a lot of stuff you could do but how many people are actually doing those kinds of things right if you do a lot of coding and compiling things of that sort that I really don't dabble in then there's a case for it productivity workloads that utilize 12 cores if you're doing DaVinci Resolve work right AMD chips especially higher core count AME chips benefit greatly in DaVinci Resolve and so it really depends on the program on the platform I tried to emphasize this in the video I said from my use case I thought that in Premiere Pro the 99 hundred K was still the better bet I tried to show that in my benchmarks and that addresses some of the criticism that I got especially on Twitter are not Twitter skews me in the comments section of course it be in the comment section of you too it's kind of a it's a mixed bag but most videos in the comment section with the ones that typically fare up top or a lot of people agree hopefully are positive comments if they're not then I probably did something wrong or you guys see some kind of conflict or whatever like I'll address it and I'll probably end up not doing videos like that again if I get that kind of negative feedback but in this case I just I I kind of ranted a bit on Twitter because I had a few people point this out there are ways to do it constructively there there are ways to do constructively I thought that I had a tech tuber who was constructive and the way he addressed it I felt like I was constructive in my response essentially he thought that it was a weird test to enable Hardware encoding in a situation in which you know it's very it's very specific and my answer to that is well that's my workload I I'm going to test workloads that I'm familiar with because I can explain them better I said that in the video also because other people I expect are in similar situations they are also rendering they are also you know warp stabilizing in premiere premiere is a very popular albeit annoying at times platform for video editing and it's just the one that I've used for a long time I've been wanting to switch I have switched somewhat on my mobile side I use DaVinci Resolve every now and then it's difficult to adjust to but it's also not difficult because the functions are essentially the same they're just in different places so yeah my transition is slow very slow but very steady I will say though that on the desktop side I'm in my office Premiere Pro is what I use so the way I ran that test was I said I'm going to use everything I can for every CPU Rison consumer chips do not have a GPS as a result of that there is no specific optimization in mind for AMD CPUs because most of them don't have AI GPS and on intel side there is support for quick sync and my decision to use quick sink for the 1900 k was based solely off the notion that I would also have enabled it on the 3900 X and the 3700 X if I had other Intel CPUs in that list that had IG peas in them I would have enabled them in there as well you would have seen a 9400 basically neck and neck with a 3900 X if I had thrown that in there that's how good quick sync is so it would have been in my opinion a sin to forego a very prominent and very obvious just advantage that Intel has in a specific case now is it specific yes is it being nitpicky no because I use it every day it'd be different if it was a you know let's say it's a specific video effect that I use maybe once every month in one video right that's a little that's getting a little weird right like why would you throw this one exception in there for to make Intel look good I could see that argument if that's if that's what you guys were saying I'm not saying all of you were saying this and most of you are fine with those tests you understood why I did them but a few a few people were just making baseless accusation that the typical BS you know Oh looks like Intel sponsored you for this bit like it was literally an Ambu an AMD review where I told you guys to buy the AMD CPU at the end of it over the Intel CPU and I still got accused of being a sponsored Intel fanboy so I guess I'm doing something right right when a few people are still pissed off you're not gonna please everybody that's something you learn very fast in this industry but to be told after all of this work that took two or three weeks to compile I am a one-man show I do all of my own tests that is it I have no one else to do these tests with me or for me it is all me and I take pride in my work because it takes time to put together and I'm confident in my work else I wouldn't post it on my channel with half a million subscribers right half a million or more potential viewers so if it gets posted I'm confident now that's not say that my my testing is always perfect there could be something I do wrong I had a typo in that video I'm pretty sure I said what did I say mega I said Mpbs instead of MVPs I was something I caught daring the upload process I was like ah crap I didn't want to re-upload it because then it would have taken that much longer and I wanted to push it out at prime time so yeah that was an issue anyway yeah so people were in a nutshell pissed that I ain't able to quick sync and they thought I was unfair that's literally the word that that a lot of them used they said it was unfair and I disagree wholeheartedly because I said in the video I would have enabled the same thing with it with the AMD CPUs had a DS AMD CPUs included I trapeze and that's one of the that's one of the things that a lot of people don't think about because most of us have discrete GPUs but you cannot just plop a 3900 X in a risin motherboard that has HDMI out and get it to work without a discrete GPU there's nothing in here to drive video there's there's no video orange oriented stuff baked into this like for a specific video outs you have to have a dedicated card for that a discrete GPU and so is it is it a big deal no I'm not gonna like it's something I'll point out I'll say yeah look just keep in mind you have to make sure that you have a discrete card it's discrete graphics card for these Rhys and CPUs else you won't get any picture on your screen that's just a byproduct of rising architecture there are exceptions you can get a 2400 G 3400 G at - energy be my guest but those are not extremely powerful CPUs by any means so you have trade-offs no Intel is the same thing now you can get F skew CPUs from Intel and they don't come without GPS and they're typically a bit cheaper we did a review on the 9400 f it was it was like $150 $160 Core i5 six core without an IJ P that I thought was a really good bang for the buck of the time now would send two out I only think it so I don't think it's big bang for the buck anymore you can get a 3600 now for 200 bucks it's gonna blow that out of the water so things change but my stance in my opinion makes sense and so III don't I won't retract it I won't backtrack and say yeah I probably should have done it differently I did it that way because that's my workload that's what I use and you can see how effective it is in the graphs the 90 100 K rendered that video that five-minute video clip the same video clip at the 98 the 3900 X rendered in literally half the time with for fewer cores right that's pretty impressive and there's also some misconception about there's a misconception about CUDA acceleration and a few people also thought that like I got a comment at one point and it was it was about the fact that I had discrete cards and all these setups they were all there was the same Asus tricks 2080 right and there was something I got from one person that said why did you not just enable CUDA acceleration like most people and have your graphics card do the rendering for you like I don't I didn't think I had to educate people on this I don't I don't expect everyone to know it but we've talked about it before on the channel others have talked about it CUDA acceleration does next to nothing for a video render ages doesn't there are effects there are color grading things you can do with CUDA acceleration that will allow the graphics card if it's an Nvidia car that's supported to do some work it will offload some of that work to your graphics card to your 20 80 or whatever you're using but when you click that render that export button right whether it be in media coder or the the default media encoder in premiere there is like there's not much at all that your graphics card is going to do whether or not you have CUDA acceleration enabled which by the way it was enabled for every single Adobe test you would expect it to be exactly the same and it was so that it was a fair enough comparison so I don't like I don't get it let's see I want to read a couple comments Eugene says it's like if you were comparing cars as a reviewer would you not point out that a Jeep Wrangler has removable doors which mace which may be something someone wants yeah and look like I think I think you're on the right track Gina I think that the the issue people had though was that it showed the Intel CPU just destroyed just massacred the 3900 X and that one test and and in warp stabiliser and also one you wouldn't expect it to win just on paper right because it has eight cores instead of twelve course but warp stabiliser also uses some of that IGP someone said that the IGP is gonna become the aux cord in 2025 or whatever i disagree wholeheartedly i think there's so much you can do with an onboard graphics processor that it would be foolish to completely get rid of it so there will always be a case for it I think and so I think the CPUs will always exist whether or not they're mainstream or not that's a different story but Intel's been making it work for years and certainly workloads are taking advantage of it including the one that I showcased so the video render utilizing pretty much to the max the IGP is why it destroyed the 3100 X and look if this was flip-flopped I really think that especially like the diehard Andy fanboys would have freaked out at that I think they would have just lost their crap because AMD fanboys the Intel fanboys excuse me I should have said that backwards yeah Intel fanboys because if it's AMD doing really well and Intel didn't look as good then yeah I think I think until fanboys would be pretty pissed so I think I think it goes both ways right like I I don't think you can really please everybody but at the same time I think I think gimping a CPU is worse than showing it at its best so if you're intentionally giving something if you're just removing some sort of support that it has then you are effectively not being honest with the viewer that's my opinion now look that's not to say I'm not trying to say that other reviewers who didn't include quick sink support we're trying to be dishonest with you maybe it just wasn't something that they crossed their mind maybe it's not something they use very often I recommend that they do there's a huge advantage I you literally cut your render times in half if not more by enabling hardware and coding and again it's a multi-step process you have to download Intel drivers until you HD drivers I mean they're not already installed you have to enable something in the BIOS if enable onboard graphics so it's not something you can just click once and be done with it's a little process so maybe that's why they didn't have it enabled but most reviewers that I saw did not have quick sync enabled and that kind of pissed me off it's just like why are you not showing the CPU at its best because that's what I'm doing for the 3900 X I'm showing it it's best I showed it literally at stock because that's how it performs best I didn't show it manually overclock because then you're not doing it a service in in single or dual core workloads and and so I think that yeah I think that it had to be done I had to show it because it just I wouldn't want to GIMP if I GIMP the name you CPU like if I turned off the IGP in a navy CPU and ran it you know like some of the other reviewers ran the Intel 900k I think that maybe fanboys would've been really pissed off with me so I think the sword again cuts both ways I think it's justified anyway that's my address Minh of that criticism I think that yeah I would do it again and I would explain it the same way I explained it before it's something I use every day virtually in Premiere yeah and I also pointed out in the same video if you're using another program like a DaVinci Resolve 3900 X would likely win and the reason why is because DaVinci Resolve can take advantage of more cores it tends to be optimized but better for higher core townships if you throw in a thread Ripper 16 core it does an amazing job at rendering in DaVinci Resolve I know that on account of other reviewers who have done similar tests so I was sure to point that out I said look this is program based so it depends on the program but the program I use is premier that's why I'm showing it I've used premier for pretty much every CPU review that I've done since the beginning because I've use premier since the beginning of this channel and yep I'd do it again anyway off of that tangent you are awesome um scroll back up here and get to some of the stuff that I missed some of the goodies let's dive it Anderson donated a dollar ninety nine super Ches says what's the deal with MSI be four fifty bio size limits so ROM size is an issue that was something we addressed when we met with AMD they were talking about how motherboard vendors were going to have to act certain features in bios's in order to get zen to support on old boards now I didn't expect it to be as big a deal with be 450 and X 470 because we we expected support from those two motherboard chipsets and straight up yeah with a simple BIOS update but the older boards especially like the be 350 boards the X through 70 boards they and apparently you're at your be 350 board have to have to cut certain features and that also rolls into the UI as well certain BIOS is I even saw this on I forget whose website it with mine I think gigabytes might have been as Roxanna maybe was ask rocks cuz we did the be 350 BIOS flash there but some of those BIOS revisions when you update the UI got simpler it got more basic looking and that's not typically how it works right if you update BIOS is typically they had more features but because the wrong side is limited a lot of these chips are only I don't know what the size limit is it's something small it's got to be and the realm of 10 20 30 40 megabytes I don't have something like that because those those file sizes are taking up so much of that space they have to act certain features they're doing that with Bristol Ridge I've noticed Bristol Ridge is one of the things that a lot of these motherboard vendors are auctioning is that a big deal I don't really think so like if you if you're updating a BIOS for Zen - chances are you're not on bristol ridge if you were on bristol ridge then there are certain drivers you can install that would keep you covered during the interim period when you're flashing the bios cuz you're gonna lose that support technically but yeah I that's just a consequence of ROM size why is it that size I have no idea I think it's something that's very easily easily fixable but yeah yeah again I don't design motherboards I'm not sure what the rationale was behind it I do know those chips are pretty standardized and you can see them like they're actually physically like a little on the board you can swap in and out but yeah it looking also if you break a motherboard let's say your power goes out doing a round flash something like that you're gonna have to buy a new chip and you'll have to replace that chip on the board that's how you'll get another that's basically how you LUN break your motherboard that's happened a few times not to me but if you're curious if that ever happens to you let's see Chris W became a member what's going on Chris I hope you feel like a hundred bucks with that star next to your name it's no it's one of the perks you get from being a member you also get again the the bimonthly Google Hangouts chats we just had one before this livestream with a few of the channel members and I was pretty awesome we just hang hang out and talk for an hour straight before the livestream as I appreciate that Oliver Yared five-dollar stream chat so I'm trying to get those super chat real quick trying to catch up looking at buying a rise in 3600 Plus as rugby 450 and pro for 8 gigs of 2400 mega it's 260 good deal do you know why do you know a way to flash the bias without a rise into CPU yeah a lot of the motherboards are not gonna allow you to do it unless you have a right as then - excuse me is n + chip you could probably get a dud I'm not sure if you'd get a dud from AMD and they used to do it I'm not sure if they're still doing it I'm sure someone knows something about it but I will say that reading that right there my concern would be your RAM I think 8 gigs I mean that's a good deal like it's hard to complain but the memory itself is slow it's not the fact that it's a gigs that's easily upgradable you get an update 16 pretty fast just pop into more dens or whatever but 24 hundred megahertz it's pretty slow you would benefit from faster and especially for rising just remember those Infinity fabric dependencies right there they're tied to memory frequency and latency so you will have slower communication between shifflet's between CC X's as a result of slower memory and that's just the way the Infinity fabric works so that's why rising benefits in a nutshell from faster memory scrolling up a little more Miguel Moreno $2 Super chat love from Texas easily the top of tech tubers I appreciate that Thank You Miguel and then humility $2 to perch at what's the best CP for game today if you're just gaming I would say that 3600 I have any yeah but I know that's probably gonna be the best value CPU so yeah there's that and then we got a ideal then it's two dollar super chat and then Daniel Silva donated four 9s super chat no questions with those ask questions if you if you're gonna donate to me or throw super chat money on me to ask a question that way you feel like you're getting something for it I'd appreciate that let's see sorry about that I died to get through this stuff but AMD is offering dumb chips for bio a BIOS updates awesome so platinum said that if you have a link to somewhere you can sign up to get a dud ship that would be appreciated I'm not sure if they're charging what they're charging I'm sure it's gonna be pretty cheap if they're charging anything but I don't know if you're gonna be able to post a link in the chat if you can't postal if you can't post the link in the live chat post it on discord or tweeted at me and I will stick it to the top of the video description for those who are curious so yeah Bob we have like tried to deactivate patreon so you shouldn't be like if you're still donating a patreon I suggest just becoming a member because that's like we're trying to funnel it through YouTube now and not patreon it's just too complicated and I don't like having multiple platforms for this kind of this kind of thing so uh yeah I would suggest canceling you don't have to become a member by I know who you are Bob Flanders you have you've done a lot for us you've supported us from from a long time ago more than a year I would say probably at least two years that's as far back as I can really remember but yeah I mean it patreon and we're trying to just get rid of that we can't completely terminate the account for tax purposes but you should not be donating there anymore and that's why we don't even link it in our video descriptions anymore okay let's see agent blunt says rising 3 on X 570 stove RAM issues with four sticks I heard this I don't know if that's confirmed or not but I have heard that I was sure to test when I got my sample kit from a and B my reviewer kit I I was sure not to use the memory that they included in the box I'm going to show you guys what they included but I didn't tell you where I got them so the memory that came in our Rison reviewer kits was from g.skill and it was Trident Zi royal it was the this gold these gold memory modules right and they included two of them now the timings all right so here we go thirty-six hundred megahertz which of course is optimal for rice art on my nose is like itching I don't know why thirty-six hundred megahertz and then Kathleen c16 the sixteen sixteen sixteen thirty six which is pretty good I don't know if these are beady eyes I'm not I don't know if all royal kids are beady eyes I don't think so the code is sixteen D - 16 G TRG so GT RG is the the model number on these but I purposefully didn't use these because I felt like okay well da a Amy's gonna give you the best of the best and the kid because they want their CPUs to look the best so my thinking was alright I'll just pull out a random kid of RAM from my closet and we'll just see how it goes and I actually pulled out another g.skill kit but it was a really old kid it was a G school tried in the RGB kit but it was released before as then 2 came out I'm pretty sure and it was not AMD optimized it wasn't like a specific kit for AMD and so I said yeah we're just gonna use this kit because it's not the recommended kit and I just want to see how it fares and it fared very well it was easily able to hit X and P the the system reset a few times trying to train the memory which is something I actually didn't know much about beforehand so if you were pointed it out I had to do a bit of research into what it actually was and why this system was resetting multiple times so thank you I learned something from that comment anyway the the memory training is important for Rison it helps train the memory tighten the timings get the the memory basically as optimal as possible and that's why the system walked time to reset after a cpu swap or you install a new Ram or something of the sort and yeah so I installed this this kind of random tried NZ kit that wasn't sent by AMD that wasn't meant to be used for an AMD platform necessarily and it worked just fine I think it was a thirty-two hundred megahertz kit and tight timing so I mean it was tight timing but it but it wasn't like wasn't a Navy specific kit so I enabled XMP and it did just fine that said AMD deliberately sent a dual channel kit of two dims not four so if that tells you anything I mean I know it's a little cheaper to get to but I would say I heard that it was still an issue and based off what a.m. he sent us the reviewers I would say that it's still probably a thing I will I will check that out I will I will see what I can find online and also testing here might as well Valley one two three at science 2d hey Greg since we are at the topic of videos that triggered people do you have any plans to revisit the passive cooling video with the CPU tower cooler on a more powerful GPU well I already revisited the video once I redid it already and had a 2400 G passively cooled and people thought that was a pretty good video so I'll stop there for now I do want to buy a one of those pallet passive tend to DT is throw that into the system and also see if the whole thing is stable and then that would be pretty awesome but yeah that's kind of where I mean I don't want to like turn this channel into like a passive cool channel is not my thing it's very new it's not something I can recommend most people pursue but it was cool to experiment I thought that was very fun Chris W five-dollar super chat again Christa vsync recepy that just can't remember I think so I think so I recall correctly docked on horizon mobile comparing rising seven thirty seven hundred u Vega ten its 216 at $600 for 7700 HQ for 750 secondary 1080p primo machine yeah I don't know much about it I don't dabble much in mobile I just I have never owned a rising mobile laptop I just never have even the ones like they have the the the aim for socket like the desktop socket in the laptops that that would be really cool to test and to experiment with but I have never gotten my hands on one so I really don't have the background to give you a definite on that I will say though that if we're talking about well I don't know I know I have never tested in Vega 10 if the 7500 HQ has an IG p on top of the 1050 then I would say it would still do better in premiere so that would be my assumption just because I know that the 9900 Kay absolutely slayed everything with the Quick Sync enabled so if I was doing the same thing on mobile I would want more than likely the i7 despite only having four cores compared to eight I'm not sure how that would affect everything else in the system but for purely rendering that would be my go-to let's see we have here no one cares a siesta science to do micron EDI is good I'd suck I mean like it's not gonna be Samsung B dies the reason why everyone knows what that one is my experience with micro II dies I think I have one kit that's micron II and the only reason I know it's micron is because I ripped the heatsink off of it micron II remember I know I have a few kits I know what I know my laptop has Hynix memory pretty sure it has high next I don't know maybe was micron I always know because it's the M with the circle around it I'm trying to think I don't really know now I don't remember I don't even know if I have hynix memory I'm sure I've Hanks memory I just don't know where which kits they are I mean they don't tell you these things this is one of the things that I wish mother like memory manufacturers would be more upfront about the only time they tell you what kind of chips you have is when it sends some beat I and even then they don't tell you all the time so it's kind of weird I just don't know but let's see Chris says neither why it's so inexpensive for sooner dollars I might pull the trigger and arisin yeah I think I mean if you're going Zen to and I'm in a mobile solution I think you'll be fine Megaten should be fine I yeah for most of your stuff it's gonna be plenty let's see recommended megahertz on RAM good question addressed just a few times on Twitter and elsewhere for Rison you'll start to notice in the the latency is between CC X's really start to taper off as in level out you don't see many marginal gains passed around 3200 megahertz if you read at least 3000 megahertz or above for memory on your Rison platform and you can get that frequency at a decent Cass and decent timing then you're fine you're gonna pretty much see the law of diminishing returns really start to take over past 3000 so again assuming your timings aren't crap that would be a fine frequency but the Bob unknown he says quit picking your nose I'm really not picking my nose I'm actually scratching it like for some reason my nose is like really itchy like right on the sides I don't know why I always outside working on the car today and it was hot like my garage faces the Sun in the afternoon which is a big mistake I should not have started work at 4:00 p.m. because it sounds like Oh 4:00 p.m. is like it's not best not bad it's not hot but when you live in Florida 4:00 p.m. in the summer is still pretty toasty you know and when the sun's facing you like while you're on the ground I was like changing the oil in the car yeah so I got pretty dirty then I took a shower and I my nose is just like itchy so yeah that's why I'm not picking my nose I wouldn't do that on the live stream but bah Nicolas Lopez house hurricane Barry I have no idea I'm in Florida we we're not being hit by Hurricane Barry Robinson Joseph's Intel is just not competitive anymore ah look they have to be if they want to exist I think that there's a certain percentage of the market that would buy Intel no matter what even if they were extremely more expensive for the same performance or possibly even worth performance I mean that's how diehard some fans can be I would call those people fanboys if they had no other reason to get Intel other than the fact that it's Intel unless you have workloads or software Suites that specifically require an Intel or optimized for Intel then that would be a case to pay more for the same performance but then it wouldn't be the same performance it would be better performance in that software suite so I Intel has to be competitive they have to they they are I mean that's that's that's how this works if you have competition the two competing companies will compete on price level to compete on an advertiser level to compete on a function level competition drives innovation that is one of the things that that I appreciate about competitions for the things I appreciate about capitalism capitalism has its downsides as well yes tons of people are ingredie and that's a byproduct of capitalism but the whole point is it's a level playing field because everybody's greedy right a few people don't care but like if you're willing to be competitive chances are you're probably greedy to an extent and you're going to do what you can hopefully within legal realms to be as competitive and and yeah just to be as competitive as possible intel has a lot of market share and they have many contracts and they have many relationships with many big companies and just like them but so does AMD and AMD is working to regain some of that market share and what I think is going to happen is the same thing that happened back in the early 2000s and again later and the turn of the decade 2010 2011 we're gonna have flip-flop again Intel's doing just fine they really are folks they're not bleeding for cash anything like that their stock prices would reflect this the the reason why I think so many people are saying Oh Intel's not competitive anymore is because you're only looking at this through a small small lens focused on the consumer the end consumer who builds pcs for fun for living who cares they're the end consumer they're the enthusiasts but they're not the biggest client there I mean there there are many other contracts again many other people many other companies that are paying Intel's bills we're paying a part of it sure we're part of it we're part of the sale structure but we're not the only part of this and the same goes for AMD this isn't just Intel we're talking about here I don't know enough about Intel's capital structure to dive into this in a deep way and just you know decide oh if we all just started buying AMD we didn't tell go under I don't know one off about it my assumption would be no but I don't know I will say that Intel is just like AMD in this regard they are competitive they have to be they know they are they know that they're in an economy at least in the states where competition is everywhere and at the the moment that they lost that competition from AMD is when they got lazy when they started slacking off when R & D wasn't at its peak Intel has its own fab so you guys realize this AMD uses TSM see that's the Taiwanese semiconductor company right they use TSMC to create their dyes to create the wafers that end up being split up and thrown into substrate that ends up in your consumer P or consumer CPU right that's it Robinson says I'm biased I don't know what I don't know what he's talking about being biased I'm just telling you like it his I would say the same thing for a and B in fact that's what I was willing to do but Intel has anyway back on track Intel has their own fabs right so Intel was working on 10 min 10 nanometer for a long time and it just wasn't wasn't there now they feel this huge kick from AMD because AMD you saying we got all this good stuff decent prices actually really good prices comparably you want a 90 100 K you got to pay up or it's 500 bucks for it you can get almost identical performance - the IGP which again it's for very few people like myself where I actually use it most people don't so who cares - the IGP for a hundred and eighty bucks less why would you not buy the 3,700 X instead had this been flip-flopped had aimed deep in the King for a long time and we just didn't have the competition anymore and Intel was just slacking on whatever 32 nanometer stuff they had let's say they were on let's say they were on Sandy Bridge for like eight years which is basically I mean I'm not comparing the two architectures are different and there's a reason why Ivy Bridge Sandy Bridge and and it ended up being has well we're superior but I what I am saying is that if it was reversed and Intel happened to be on something at the time that would have been similar and that would have been Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge and AMD was pushing out just incremental upgrades we're talking incremental to the point where it's almost like a blurred line like is this the same CPU are you guys just throwing in this in a new box and just calling it a new CPU like what am I really getting here come on folks like other than like hacking into more cores causing this thing to run super freaking hot what am I getting here if they'd have been reversed I'd have told you the same thing if Intel had a 3,700 X right and AMD had an equivalent competitor for 500 bucks I'd tell you to buy the freaking Intel chip you know why because it's the better buy for you that the the value oriented consumer so this isn't about red and blue this isn't about red and green Susan about green and blue I don't give a crap none of them pay my bills they don't we took we might take ad sponsorships from them I haven't taken any money from well I take that back AMD and gigabyte kind of together sponsored some of our Computex coverage but again that's not going to convince that's not going to sway my opinion right money doesn't buy opinions money buys talking points like if you want me to throw up a video praising your product it's going to be a showcase it's going to be a video where yeah it's a sponsored video what do you expect you threw money at me I'm going to time going to say what you want me to say those companies have to approve your video before it goes live but in a review they just send you stuff and they cross their fingers and hope it's a good review but they don't know there's no guarantee because I could say whatever I want because it's it's a review it's opinionated it's based on my experience it's based on stuff I have in the office that I can test against it it's based on my perception of value it's how it's how it's gonna be right it's it's I know that most of you like care about money right not like a greedy timing hamster some of you are a little greedy but you've probably at least mind your checkbook and you know that you can't just go out and spend freely on whatever you want cuz you'll end up in debt and you'll never get out of it right maybe you have a family of kids and you have other more important things to worry about than a freaking CPU in your system right so I know that that money has to go a long way for you for most of you it goes a long way I try to make it go a long way for me and I'm the same way if I buy anything out of pocket I do my best to do as much research as I can to know that I'm making the best most informed purchase decision where I'm getting the most value for my dollar point blank I will rarely pay more money for the same performance unless there's string attached like a better warranty maybe it's just a better product it has like you just maybe more reviews I've paid more money for a product that looked nearly identical on Amazon because it had better reviews and you know what if that's how it helps you sleep better at night that's fine so your money you handle it the way you want my job is again tough you guys make informed purchase decisions and that's that that's that's why I think it's silly to call any review like any I could say this confidently you want look at any other tech youtuber out there that that that I've met Paul Kyle Jay Steve other Steve Brian I don't care any of them if you watch any of their reviews right they're going to tell you and their honest opinions what they think is the best value for the dollar and they'll tell you what's the best CPU they tell you what's the best value and I'll tell you what's the cheapest what you shouldn't buy what you should buy you know why they tell you things and they then you know why the weather honest with you because they know that you guys are gonna bail if they're not honest they know that if they tell you oh you should buy the 9900 Kay instead it's technically the better CPU still it's still technically the better gaming CPU even if it's just by a few FPS you guys need to have the best gaming CPU so spend that extra 180 bucks on the best so that you can have the best you're gonna feel so much better about it if I preach that or if it was reversed and it was in it was let's say it was AMD in Intel's position and I was telling you to buy the best from AMD instead of the Intel equivalent at much cheaper prices like I would lose so many viewers from that and that's they're like we're incentivized to be honest with you like that's what you guys need to understand if we're not honest with you if let's say like someone's being paid under the table not disclosing it which is illegal we do that here and they tell you that yeah you just you know be honest but also tell them they should buy it because it's technically still the best and we win did that we would lose viewers and then if we lose viewers we don't get any more under ships because nobody's watching our channel anymore so why the heck would you ever feel incentivized to take money to say things that aren't true or to say things that are against your opinion I would not I never done this and I would like to think I never would that's my honest opinion and that's this is how I've lived up to this point for this channel I would never take money from a company that I did not think was offering a product of value if it was a product that I thought sucked I would not take money from them because I know that despite getting that one-time payment however much or little it might be I'm not going to have the trust of you guys anymore to let me to do more videos like that why because someone paid me to say something about a product that I thought was crap right and if we've ever been in like a situation where company said yeah we'll pay you this amount of money to say something really really good it would be just a great great thing for you to say this and this and that would be awesome we've pushed back before in situations where I thought that a product really wasn't as good as they were making it out to be I would tell them like I'm comfortable saying this not this if you guys are still okay with it we can move forward we can push the sponsored spot we can do this sponsoring video whatever right but if they if they say no this is this is it I've turned down I turned up more money last year in 2018 then I accepted put it that way there's a lot of stuff out there that's garbage there's a lot of stuff out there that's good as well and back to CPUs I think that CPUs it's it's it's where the tipping point and that's why I was telling you guys especially after my thirty seven hundred serve you that I think that thirty seven thirty seven hundred X is by far the better value and it you have a much more friendly platform to work with we got our 3900 X to work on a freaking a320 motherboard a board that wasn't even supposed to be allowed to run Zen - and we got it to frickin work right from gigabyte and this is entirely vendor dependent but the fact is you can do so much with this platform it is so versatile and if you have the dud CPU or compatible see if you flash the BIOS you could really get technically any motherboard with the compatible BIOS to work with any Xen CPU how freaking crazy is that can you do that with Intel No do I expect Intel to do something similar with a similar platform in five or six years kind of yeah I think they feel compelled to now they feel that that is a huge competitive advantage for AMD so why would they not copy it is it because they feel content with the fewer sales that they have now than they did four years ago I mean maybe they knew maybe they do maybe they feel content with that maybe they could they feel content with being the more nish expensive product right you can buy a Ferrari because it's a Ferrari or you can buy a Toyota Camry because it's more reliable heck you can buy a Nissan GTR for we used to be able to buy enough about a hundred hundred twenty grand I think now the most expensive black edition or Nismo model is like two hundred thousand dollars it is starting to give in like supercar territory now but back back in 20 let's say when they first came out 2008 so let's just say their 2012 you get a 2012 GT our brand new for a little over $100,000 that 0 to 16 2.9 seconds most Ferraris couldn't even do 0 to 60 and 2.9 seconds at that point in time in fact I would say almost all of them couldn't do a 0 to 60 that fast and if that's your metric if zero to 60 is your metric for a car and we're acquainting that to frame rate right then to get 2.9 seconds for 100k or you spend 500 grand and get a Ferrari that does 2.7 seconds right where is the real value if you only care about the 0 to 60 time because that's I mean let's be honest you can't really go faster than 60 in most places in the States anyway unless you're on a freeway or a racetrack so if you're in the city it's really just in the 0 to 60 it's the 0 to 50 0 to 40 0 to 30 whatever it's the initial torque right it's the it's the pullback and that acceleration is what I'm trying to equate to FPS now if that's your metric if you care about frame rates because you play games a lot and that's really it first off I think that's a good metric alright the reason there's a reason why we show frames per second for games because that's kind of like the only metric that matters then I'm going to tell you that the better value is the GTR right you get it alright that's it there shouldn't even be an argument there is it a better value car yes is it a Ferrari No is it supposed to be a Ferrari no do I think Intel is the equivalent of a Ferrari no I'm not saying that I don't think there's that big of a disparity honestly like I'm using a 9900 k in this system because I render a lot that is literally the only reason it's still in my system if I switched fully to The DaVinci Resolve I will switch I promise you guys I will switch to AMD and I'm in the process of switching I talked about that a little more in the livestream but anyway it's about value I don't want you guys to be upset I don't want to have buyer's remorse that would make me feel bad as a reviewer and it would probably make you lose trust in me and that is where I want to wrap up that thanks for hearing me ramble through that I do want to run through the super chats at the end here let's see here let's go back up here okay token tech 5 super Chan I appreciate that Oh Bob Slater's become a member Bob I appreciate that Bob I again be sure to drop by our hangouts that we have if you're in the discord and then you'll see the link there I also link the live chats in the YouTube feed about 10 minutes before we go live on hangout so you'll be able to click the link and join the call and you can just chat with me anyway token tech says hey science dude I have a 3700 X with a custom loop from ek and I'm hitting over 85 °c in prime95 and idle temps are awful how are your temps that's weird my 3700 was ice-cold I mean it was it was hitting I think 70 C while gaming and this was with and some games were more intense than others obviously the more user CP the hotter it's gonna get but mine was not anywhere near that hot it's been and I never used a custom loop but it should be cooler than that so unless your pump is dead which I doubt you'd be able to see that more than likely or unless you haven't seated the CPU correctly you just got super unlucky but I would check the CPU seeding make sure that you're you've got solid secure contact to me that's like you got to have that doesn't sound like you do because if temps are pretty hot so yeah I would check that let's see we also have we have a $1 super chat from ideal again I appreciate that a deal thanks for watching we have another $1 super chat from your leader treks thank you your leader treks appreciate that Chris has a $5 super chat says have you seen the videos where some of the smaller tech youtuber are accusing some of the big reviewers of being biased towards AMD's release I have not I don't know who said that I would love to hear the accusations because I think they would just be really juicy and as far as I'm aware none of the big tech tubers if you want to include me in that you can't I don't think that I'm technically big I would say if you're at a million subs or more you're probably a big tech youtuber so that would keep Paul Kyle Jay Linus in the ring I saw almost all of their reviews I mean they get pretty great done and after a while but I after they aired because we all aired our reviews kind of at the same time when the NBA lifted granted it was for different products some come some channels didn't like all the cps at one time but as for the accusations i don't really know who they would be accusing if they accused anybody if you guys know who they were accusing but i'd love to watch the video a first time i think would be highly comical i'm just kind of i mean what's the definition of bias like do anything they skewed data like that's a pretty harsh accusation and that's potentially defamatory depending on if it's substantiated or not so they better be careful if that's the case but if they're just saying like bias towards an AMD like what's again their justification with being biased you would have to show that like the beta was consistent with other reviewers or other finders but your conclusions were different but I can't see how your conclusions would be different like if you're if you're value oriented AMD is the way to go I've said that since then to I've said that since Zen like I don't I don't see how you can call that bias like it's just kind of the truth so it really depends on what they're accusing them off I mean maybe they're accusing me I don't know that would be really fun because then I could address it directly but if they're accusing other tech eateries I mean I decided to be curious to see what they're accusing them of but I highly doubt any of the popular tech youtubers out there are biased in that sense I mean sure they probably have favorites like I have favorite products that I use but when I'm trying to be unbiased and trying to show you guys like the data straight up and then I draw conclusions from that data my conclusions might be opinionated but I think they're grounded I mean like if I told you again that the 3900 X was like by far the way better CPU and everyone should go buy it instead of the 3700 X that to me would be rather baseless because the 3700 X did almost as well as the 3900 X in nearly every gaming benchmark and in some cases the deltas between productivity workloads were even justified right it's so the $180 price hike for the 3900 X in my opinion wasn't justified for the streaming scenarios so should you buy a 3900 X in place of a 3700 X for streaming in my opinion I don't think you have to I think you can get by just 5 that 37 3 X because the margins were the same that the frame rates lost were the same between both CPUs essentially the same so yeah that's my anyway let's see your leader tricks again 500 superjet appreciate that I says my mobile Intel is beating my thread Ripper Gen 2 for Adobe renders why it's probably cuz you have quick sync enable that's probably why token tech totally took everything apart and still bad temps that really sucks that means you just have a really hot ship check though make sure that you're checking frequencies maybe a PPO or something else turned on where it's boosting your CPU to as high as it'll go you look your idle temps really don't matter as much especially if your fluid is already soaked so if your fluids heat soaked then your idle temps are gonna be hot right because the metal or what essentially would be the metal in your your system it's gonna be the fluid in this case but water has a high heat capacity so it takes a while for water to warm up takes more energy for water to warm up but once it's warmed up it's gonna stay warm for quite a while and that will keep your idle times up as a result right so when your temperature deltas are smaller then your CPU times gonna be higher if your temperature Delta's are greater like if you're cooling with liquid nitrogen then your CPU temps are gonna be a lot lower right even at idle especially a lot so anyway yeah there's that let's see Chris says my issue isn't the accusations but the fact that they pulled uh-oh there are people biased on the reviews but we will say who oh and we have names yeah I like if you have if you have something like that just like roasting in your brain like just grow a pair of balls and just say like that's how I look that's a personal take but like if you have that much beef on somebody like why would you bother figuring out who they are if you're not gonna actually disclose who they are so like that'd be my thing I don't again I don't know if I'm including this or not but even if I'm not even if I'm not the people that they're talking about it'd be hilarious if they were cuz I would totally grill them because there's there's absolutely no proof of that thing I've done anything to suggest that I think you guys would call me out on if I was being biased and I've done things that have pissed amb fanboys off before as well so I don't think I'm I don't think I'm without sin on either side but yeah I would just say grow a pair say who it is why would you tease it if you're not gonna say it like that's just stupid you're just trying to get publicity in my opinion if that's all you're gonna do so prove me wrong saying who they are and then we can we can talk about it from there I mean I look if it's somebody like I say they accuse I'm gonna use let's use Kyle ID I know Kyle's not this way but let's just say he says Kyle I'm not gonna like jump in and throw my two cents into the ring but I would love to hear Kyle defend himself because I feel like Kyle would absolutely trash whoever was accusing him of saying that so yeah I just I just want to you know see him Duke it out but anyway all right one more Super chat here was from Ren Ren Jen hope I said that I hope I said that right rancha I don't know what currency that is but I appreciate the support I appreciate the viewership and I thank you all for watching especially our members Thank You members for pitching in a little boy was more than - I almost said two cents but it's not it's like five bucks month but anyway I 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