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it's about time we addressed the gross incompetence on behalf of the blue team now I'm not even gonna blame principal technologies here they're testing methodologies were vastly askew enabling XMP profile only some of the platform's tested ultimately crippling AMD's infinity fabric dependencies using stock AMD coolers but allowing Intel counterparts to run on beefy noxious because that's fair originally testing the 2700 X in game mode this was a burning sack of garbage but when we understand the context here what truly went on behind the scenes you can't help but pass the blame to Intel they paid for this report this was a commission based review principal technologies put together and the problem I have with it is to full not necessarily that they paid PT but that one the negligence of PT went virtually unchecked by the commissioning party is both parties at a plane here but I think Intel is like the last step here and then to said party proceeded to publish the study anyway knowing very well that the results were askew they were very wrong in fact some benchmarks were so obviously incorrect that if you know anything about any relatively new hardware I mean that I can't see how this could go unchecked it's it's so blatantly obvious that it's either gross negligence or it's outright fraud oh and by the way Intel just Damus independent reviewers the middle finger all right so here's my beef and we're gonna be as ideologically consistent as possible here because I've been playing devil's advocate for quite a while with this story it's part of the reason why I haven't published anything to date that with the hurricane also back things up but this is the original article here now I want you to put aside any notion regarding bias and whether or not this was paid for let's pretend this was an independent review by say a popular tech YouTube but let's use grind from techie a city in an example at first glance nothing looks too weird I mean that's what I immediately thought when I first came across it now just to be clear this is an extremely thorough report right 23 pages in total and probably more comprehensive than most if not all benchmarks you'll find on the web they paid attention to the finest detail save a few instances for example GTA 5 settings you know the data is completely omitted here for some reason but it's laid out it's extensively actually transparently and nearly every other case they show step by step benchmarking techniques especially in scenarios for which no built-in benchmarks exist this was the case for pub G so the fact is you guys take for granted the fact that we objectively report our findings and we do so with the information that we have at hand because we aren't paid to say what we say in these reviews and we aren't paid to unfairly compare products from different companies for example we would never compare in 8700 K or 9900 K to a 2,700 X with game mode enabled this feature was designed to bypass issues pertaining to thread Ripper CPUs so in a numr non-uniform memory access config the operating system can isolate the to die controllers directly link to the memory channels to reduce corresponding latency and that's a big issue in general with horizon so in a case of games certain titles suffer roughly 5% or so framerate disparities when TR CPUs baked in their native states which is why this new milega c mode was implemented in the horizon master utility but in the case of the 2700 X legacy mode can severely cripple the chip by effectively cutting its core count in half I mean in the case of let's say ashes of the singularity PT revealed a nearly 50% margin which is absolute BS I mean my own testing in this exact same configure build a frame rate nearly about 50 is about 52 which is actually almost on par with the 8700 K and this is more or less than a MV title so we shouldn't be too surprised we aren't accusing PT of being paid off by the way we're not saying they're intentionally skewing results but we don't expect them to be completely clueless with regard to the settings they're enabling I mean if Intel hired them in the first place they've got to know kind of what they're doing right and maybe not so case in point the horizon 2700 X is one heck of a competitor for the blue team and they know it which is why I expected Intel in all reality to fall back on this a gross negligence apology tour but no you see when Principal technologies was initially called out on this they went back to the drawing board and retested with game mode off and they've had several subsequent tests to fix quite a number of things now but at least they acknowledge the mistake I like that but Intel put out a statement along the lines of you know the data is consistent with what we have seen in our labs they're referring to the initial PT report by the way which was the one that was complete garbage this all ties back to the issue with paid or commissioned reviews to begin with I'm questioning the integrity all around from the until at this point I've never worked with them directly so I have no you know hands-on first-person experience with their marketing strategies although apparently people have been told weird things in the past but I'm willing to say this that's it just a shady shameful move now I'm not referring by the way to the benchmarks themselves to be completely honest we see this garbage all the time right NVIDIA tried to pull a fast one with the way in which they presented their r-tx cards I call that crap out right when I saw it and look what we have now lackluster performance from an expensive generation of GPUs when you're willing to omit entire axes from your data we've got a problem you're probably trying to hide something that's what a lot of us were saying but when you're willing to pay someone else to review this stuff and then stand behind blatantly fraudulent and or negligent data your double layering the academic dishonesty dumptruck my friend look when these companies pay for work you'd better believe they want it done a certain way so I find it difficult to believe that Intel simply approached this company that who I haven't heard of to date until now said hey we'll pay you for these benchmarks and yet we'll see you next week with results and then just walked away with the metaphorical sealed envelope in hand that's a joke these companies especially the big ones want control that's what they're paying for afterall and that's the problem with commissioning a series of benchmarks to push out to the community before any of us the independent reviewer base can get our hands on them and review them without breaking an embargo you're inviting unwelcome scrutiny to the table which that's not all necessarily bad but you're calling it question your own integrity at the same time and that's why I started this entire thing with a hypothetical pretend this was a report by your favorite youtuber again I was sticking with Brian from techie city just because I love Brian he's a good guy so some of these benchmarks may not have looked all that strange certainly the ashes of the singularity test and we'd have called them out on it right away relating it to someone intentional error and the game settings or BIOS config we would have blamed negligence Brian would have gone back and fixed his mistakes and that would have been the end of it but if we suddenly found out that Brian was paid by Intel to perform these tests we might attribute the odd benchmarks of something other than a slip-up that's my point that's why money being mixed up in reviews like these especially ones that go in front of independent reviews it's just a big issue in my book principal technologies will struggle to regain its integrity in the gaming community I imagine and for good reason I mean there's nothing wrong with taking money from a company for Commission based project but the way in which they ran the test shows that either a they don't know what they're doing or B they intentionally did what they did which would be a bigger no-no and that they're willing to work with a company as disgusting as Intel at a time like this when AMD is right on their heels I mean arguably AMD's in the lead from a value perspective so Intel feels the pressure also assuming we do contribute these issues to gross negligence overall which I don't have a problem doing why did they Commission them in the first place why wouldn't they just send these CPUs to reviewers earlier in the schedule or how about this why even pay a company to assess these products at all by the way I don't have 99 hundred K or 99 hundred x samples sitting here I don't get anything Everett from Intel directly I usually get things from other core manufacturers and I don't even have stuff from them so I can't even confirm those aspects of the PT report but what I can tell you is that based on what I know through my testing with the 8700 K and the 2,700 X there's a bunch of crap wrong with that initial report not just with the way they tested it but with their results obviously the two go hand-in-hand so why not run internal investigations Intel keep everything nipped and tucked tech companies do this all the time you do it all the time by the way it's called RT t R&D research and development and testing the testing phase is important we all know not to trust the benchmarks released by the same companies releasing the referencing products right that was a case with Nvidia the same way with AMD and Intel but maybe Intel took this to heart and said well maybe we'll just pay another company to do it and it won't look like they're our benchmarks and there we go I mean maybe they chose a company that didn't even know how to benchmark gaming CPUs graphics cards I mean games in general didn't look like they really knew what they were doing I mean they were pretty consistent it looked like they've done plenty of tests before but when it comes to testing games on a computer it wasn't as straightforward as I thought it would be and it was not as accurately done as I thought it would be fact there were several things again completely wrong with it so I'm just questioning the whole thing it doesn't really make sense to me and I think it was a really shady move on until sparked not necessarily PT because again they've gone back and they fix things remember they were paid by Intel to begin with so if this was a payoff for them to ski results PT's gone back and broken that phase of the contract if that again is the case I don't really think it is I think Intel just took advantage of the situation that's that's what I'm willing to say at this point based on what I've seen the other reports from my colleagues out there it looks as though Intel purposefully chose this company kind of just gave them a rough sketch of what they wanted and then hoped that they would do something dumb like this nope that they would enable game mode use 64 gigs of ram and down clock ram on a and b platforms but keep it overclocked on Intel platforms I mean some of it is again a little too obvious but I'm not going to crucify PT because they have gone back and they have fixed things and that's why I kind of wanted to wait before I released my own video regarding this topic because I wanted to see if PT would go back and correct the issues we all make mistakes these are pretty big mistakes but they corrected them nonetheless Intel however is standing by the initial report and I think that is just a bit ridiculous let me know what you think in the comments below I hope you guys enjoyed this video give this one a thumbs up if you did if you liked the background the new studio of sorts give that a thumbs up for that I'd appreciate it thumbs down if we can meet ups of feeling or if you hate everything about life you guys click that red subscribe button if you haven't already can join us to be come a member you can get special icons and badges and just be fancy in 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