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you always want to start off these videos with a bit of history talk about said company struggles to produce said product and you know where they see themselves in the future I'm not gonna do that with AMD though I'm not gonna do that with Vega in particular because well it's not all that great look AMD did a great thing with their CPU department they brought a solid compute performance for a price that absolutely shattered Intel's offering price to performance that is the i7 7700 K is still the best gaming CPU on the market thanks to its high PC and overclocked ability but you have to shell out 300 bucks for it whereas for the same price on the red team you could get an 8 core 16 thread counterpart an awesome excellent compute performance chip that'll really boost your times we reduce your times actually when it comes to video editing and rendering and then also give you a still solid gaming performance not the best performance but still pretty darn close so we expected this with Rison going into it the price to performance King and I said before launch that Rison would never crush and telling gaming but that wasn't the point I am DS competitive advantage with CPUs was the bargain offered how you could get so close to matching Intel performance for significantly less moolah in terms of gaming that is and it's why the red team has such a devout and loyal fan base but the buck stops here you see AMD battles on two fronts they've been doing pretty good against Intel they've pretty much shut them out when it comes to any bargain CPU at all I don't really know why you'd even want to apply an i5 at this point if you want to go as low as an all Pentium or on a three you might as well just buy the similarly priced quad core CPUs from the red team but when it comes to red versus green we've got a serious problem here AMD is no longer the price to performance King when it comes to graphics cards not that they really were in the first place they always tried to do that with CPUs but with graphics cards it's true they just have a different marketing approach and I've got to say as of right now given the current price structures of Vega it's not looking too great the Vega lineup falls into the fourth category of GC and architecture and sports some pretty cool features at least on paper among these is AMD's infinity fabric similar in design to thread rippers multi-core layout as a result we've got a huge die with Vega nearly 500 cubic millimeters compared to the 1080 TI's 300 or so the 56 and 64 also boasts nearly twice the number of transistors compared to the TI seriously though the specs for Vega are pretty insane so you get high bandwidth memory got over 4,000 stream processors I think over eleven teraflops of compute performance that's all incredible on paper are great but I really don't care about any of those the number I care about is the number I see in the top left corner of my screen when I play games and that's the framerate so I use the same i7 6700 K overclocked to 4.6 gigahertz just picture it in my hand right here 16 gigabytes of ddr4 clock to 3000 megahertz and swapped my 1080 and 1080 Ti for the liquid-cooled of Vega 64 graphics card I've got to say this card looks beautiful I'm a huge fan of the backplate a i/o integration and metallic finish though I do wish the tubing here on the a was a bit shorter and it kinda improvised here price though yeah we'll discuss this a bit later I tested in 1440p to leverage the GPU just a bit more not too many people or gaming in 4k at the moment so I think that 1440p is a pretty good middle ground I mean there are plenty of 4k benchmarks everywhere else on YouTube but really the benchmarks that you're looking at right now are all that are needed to tell the full story honestly I expected a bit more here I mean the specs for Vega are insane transistor count HBM like I said these cards are loaded but the V 64 isn't outperforming the GTX 1080 in literally anything and it mind you is priced higher than the 1080 currently and the 1080 TI which is priced almost identically is absolutely destroying it and while consuming significantly less power mind you these are all its stock clocks by the way the one game showing anything other than absolute defeat is the doom benchmark Vulcan gives Vega an edge here no doubt 1% and 0.1% low state above it's 1080 counterpart showing that added stability in game but across the board the 1080 Ti which really we should be looking at here because this is the card that's almost the same as the v60 for counterpart is still the best graphics card in general consumer price ranges and by that I mean under $1000 which is still pretty excessive 600 bucks is a lot to ask for any component in a PC but with the ti you're getting massive performance jumps over mega64 once the mining craze relaxes and the dust settles around these MSRP s I do expect this card to maybe fall just slightly under the 1080 is an average asking price if it doesn't that's worse news from Vegas before I'm hoping that this price does drop significantly within the next month or so I hope AMD and its third-party vendors realize that this card is just uh it's not gonna sell very well at the current price there's no way why would you buy this card if you could buy a 1080 TI that would blow it out of the water for the exact same price look five hundred US v sixty-four is a compelling offer sure it liberally draws power but it gives the GTX 1080 a run for its money and competition is a good thing doesn't win and literally any average FPS benchmark but at least it sticks around and that's the other thing I want to discuss here look I don't really understand why Vega is receiving so much negativity in the press I understand the pricing scheme whatever you want to call it scandal okay AMD kind of screwed us there and a lot of reviewers were pissed off because we originally recommended Vega and then once the price went up we had to go back and say well we don't really recommend it anymore because it just makes no sense I mean the 1080 TI for Vega 64 is gonna blow it away yeah I'm gonna keep saying that because you need to know that do not buy this card at this current price money makes no sense at all and by the way the AI Oh tacked onto here it's pretty loud and it really doesn't do that great a job at getting rid of heat from the car I mean you can you get a little extra overclocking Headroom but I didn't even bother touching that because the cards gonna throttle itself anyway but what I really don't understand we're going the negative press is why people are so upset that Vega is only performing on par with its Nvidia counterpart so if they expect a Vega 64 to absolutely destroy the 1080 TI in almost every title they I mean like the die-hard devote fanboys who really thought that Vega was gonna be like they're saving grace right I no longer have to choose from the green team I can just choose from the red team because they're gonna make an awesome card that's gonna destroy everything in its path and mind you at a great price point Vega is none of those things okay now Vega is just an alternative and that's really all it's meant to be a Andy hasn't been looking for the budget conscious consumer and graphics card markets because they sell alright anyway I mean people are still gonna buy Vega because it's an AMD card and that's just a fact so the gist of this graphics card review really has nothing to do with the benchmarks just probably the first time that has ever happened it's why only benchmark for games those are the only games I needed to benchmark to know what I needed to tell all of you if you want forty benchmarks check out hardware in box Steve is the benchmarking King okay but four is all I needed to tell you this at six hundred bucks big is not worth it Vega sixty four is not worth it I'm gonna review Vega fifty six in a separate review but spoiler alert the story is kind of the same it's still a bit pricier than the 1070 which it is targeting and it just I don't know it just feels like like they didn't really plan the sound correctly I mean look it looked decent on paper the original prices looked great but now that these rebates and these bundles are kind of just like dissolving into thin air we're left with MSRP s that really your heart appealing for Vega at all 56 or 64 and if you stick an AI o on to it add another 100 or 200 bucks you just stay away but I wouldn't necessarily call this a flop for AMD maybe just growing pains it is disappointing to see them not follow suit with the budget King mindset on their cpu side but Vega was really only meant to compete with Nvidia not shut them out in the same way that they did with Intel I've got to say though until prices relax a bit because these prices are pretty ostentatious right now I don't expect many Vegas sales except from the die-hard AMD fans and those who are really interested in the strong compute performance that Vega carts offer like the 4000 plus stream processors pretty incredible there the problem is though either these games just aren't optimized for Vega yet or the drivers are still in their primitive States or you just look at from a price standpoint and say now these cards aren't worth it and as I'll discuss in my detailed b56 review these cards do not outperform their intended rivals ouch if you like this video be sure to give it a thumbs up if you appreciate the honest - be sure to get the thumbs up I do appreciate it be sure to click the subscribe button if you haven't already stay tuned for more content like this on the channel several reviews on the way because several boxes or here when I came back from Europe this is science studio thanks for learning with us