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when the rcs gravis cards were first released there was numerous reports out there of cards just randomly artifacting or even giving beasts odds or just things crashing completely to the point where the computer wouldn't boot normally again and here on the desk I have one of those faulty RT X xx ATT is when I was doing the benchmarks for the galaxy EXO CRT X 2070 review I was benchmarking shadows of the Tomb Raider and pretty much finishing up the benchmarks when this card all of the sudden out of nowhere just started artifacting and then the game crashed out and gave me an error message and this was on out of the box stock settings for this gravis card so what exactly is going on with these RTS gravis cards let's talk about some of the rumors of hurt as well as getting a reliable source to tell me what has been going on with these r-tx gravis cards so let's dig into it welcome back to the channel guys I hope you're all doing great out there but here's the r-tx 20 ATT I will set up the test bench very soon to test this out and do more demonstrations of what's going on but the issues here was said to affect the r-tx 2080 TI the 2080 and even the 2070 and now after doing some testing here and later on we're gonna pull this graph Scott apart because I actually don't know what memory is inside this gravis card it is apparently micron and Samsung that have been manufacturing the GDD r6 memory for the RT x-series cards and now we're talking about the memory because that is where I believe the problem lies exactly on these gravis cards but in this instance I heard from the overclocking community that's the guys who do the L into overclocking that the micron GD dr6 memory quote-unquote was dropping like flies in competitions and so this is the biggest problem here that there's rumors going around that it is the micron GD r6 memory that is failing so quickly and so what this means is is that it's actually degrading rapidly and so when you get the card and it's passing the stress test it's passing the quality test its then released to the market and so when a person buys this graphics card puts it in their computer starts playing it for awhile they may have a couple of weeks of good usage or even a month or a couple of months and then all of a sudden they start getting artifacting and that's basically rapid degradation in this case of what I believe is rapid degradation on the micron GD j r6 memory and now here's where we're going to show you guys exactly what we're talking about in two different steps first of all I'm going to boot the card off and show you the problem exactly on this 20 atti and then second of all we're gonna take this car apart and examine what memory is on board this grabs card where I just have an inkling that it's micron memory but we'll check it out let's run the tests here we are now we've loaded up windows we've got the grabbes card ready our TX 28 ETA latest driver and what we're going to do is show you guys here just complete default settings we're gonna load up UniGene heaven and you're gonna see straight away that it's just gonna crash out pretty much right in front of your very eyes so let's just show this right now so yes I am like I'm recording this in live real-time so you're seeing exactly what's going on here it's just artifact tents having all sorts of problems but while we're keeping this recording what we're gonna actually do guys is just go back to Windows quickly and what we're gonna do now is put up MSI Afterburner right in front of your very eyes grab that memory clock and set that down all the way - 502 megahertz so what it's going to do is it's going to drop the effective speeds from I believe 14 gigahertz to 13 gigahertz on the memory and now let's get back into that UniGene heaven and see if this benchmark works so we'll actually restart it just to make sure everything's okay because it's changed the resolution but yeah bear with me for a couple of seconds let's boot this up again so we can leave this running for a good 10 20 minutes it doesn't matter it's going to work perfectly now the memory is as we said before at 13 gigahertz effective and we've just got no problems whatsoever there's no artifacting and yells I'll just leave this going for a very long time just to illustrate let the grabs car warm up but we've definitely found out that it is the memory speeds directly and in turn what I believe is rapid degradation so we're just about to open this thing up but before I did I managed to do some benchmarks for the galaxy x OC review because I already had this thing open and I ran some numbers and the speeds with the memory slider all the way down the bottom versus out of the box settings before this started artifacting showed a difference that was so negligible I mean in shadows of the Tomb Raider we got a one FPS difference moving over to Rainbow six siege showed a two FPS difference which again is down to a margin of error and then moving over to Far Cry 5 actually got the same FPS numbers when I reran that test but guys let's open this graphics card up together and see what memory we have inside my bet is it does have micron memory but all will be revealed very soon you so there's a first time opening this thing up and it's sadly as expected does indeed have the micron GDD are six memory you can tell by the EM logo stamped on each of the banks here so that's not some good news but another crazy thing is look at the amount of circuitry on this freaking card this is absolutely insane this is my first time opening up a twenty eight ET I go guys let's discuss this a little bit more I'll shed my opinion on the matter on what I think the exact problems are and sort of recap what we discovered here today so now here we are with the RT x twenty eight ETA that is failing with out of the box settings and of course that isn't good and if you bought one of these you're well within your rights to replace it or get a refund as it's supposed to work at the intended specifications but here's where I'm in a unique position for me personally and why would anyone want to fix this problem and just get along with it well there's a few reasons one being that this is a review sample and I actually don't want to bother horas especially when I can still get it working and still make use of the gravis card rather than just wasting or assist time when I don't think it's got anything to do with them personally it's not their fault and also another thing is is that I'm grateful for anything that comes through the channel so just like that deep cool case with the broken clasp I just like to make use of what I've got I guess that's one of the biggest mottos of the channel here especially if you see the use build of course there's that other group of people who are picking up RTX grabs cards secondhand and they don't have the original receipt and don't laugh there actually are people out there selling RTS graphics cards one of my friends in California already picked one up on offer up anyway this grabs card here who's the blame and what is exactly the problem here well I think we've established that it's GDD are six memory from micron and what I believe is could be a number of things this is where maybe we have to have more people speak out about it if they know exactly what's going on it could be a bad batch of micron memory that made it through the process and is out in the wild and it will be fixed in due time or it could be that it's widespread with micron memory in that in this case we saw with this graphics card that the memory was rapidly degrading that's the only way to describe it it works when I got it and then it doesn't work without the box settings but it works when we drop the memory speeds down so that's the problem right there it also reaffirms what I've heard from professional overclockers and also what I heard on different articles I think Tom's did an article about them suspecting it was the GDD r6 memory but then they put a thermal imaging sensor on it and found that it wasn't the problem and then a gamer's Nexus did a very detailed article on it but they didn't specify I think the micron memory exactly I did manage to put my FLIR one camera on it and we saw 85 degrees maximum but we do know at micro points that things can get a little bit hotter than expected so it's really up in the air but at least with this sample I've got closure on the issue I know exactly what's going on and so that's just my recommendation if you guys got one of these and it's got micron memory on it and you start having an artifacting or it starts crashing or it starts doing what it did here today then you may wish to get a replacement or you can turn a negative into a positive in that you could keep that memory slider down there and then one month before your warrant you guys I hope you enjoyed today's video as for this card I'll be putting it back together putting it in my main rig and as I said before I'll update the description or even make an update video on what is going on exactly with this card after say maybe six months or if it degrades before then we'll report back but I hope you guys enjoyed this video if you did be sure to hit that like button also let us know in the comment section below what you think of this issue have you had any problems with our TX cards or what are your thoughts love reading them as always and if you also have more news on this issue I'd love to read your comments on that as well and of course there's that question of who is to blame in this case and I'm someone who always gives someone the benefit of the doubt initially so I mean I would say it's just a bad batch of micron memory that got through the initial testing and then made its way out to the wild and of course it's going to be coming back home in the form of RMA so these things do happen I just think the also the twenty-eighth ETI being a beast as it is does put out a lot of heat so there's that maybe I've stumbled onto the answers for you guys I hope I have and I hope this resolves this r-tx issue of the cards failing and artifacting anyway guys I will catch it in the next tech video very soon if you want to see it as soon as it's released then be sure to hit that sub button with the notification bell and also if you want that inside scoop before it even hits YouTube's loop be sure to check us out on Instagram check es city I'll catch you in the next one very soon peace out for now bye you