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okay we should be loved on the scene here hopefully everything's good okay welcome back to another episode of tech world TV and I am joined by care from tech showdown how you doing man I'm doing great Bryant it's been really fun lately doing a lot to rise into showdowns and lots of other things how about yourself I've just been busy man busy busy busy all this stuff that has to get reviewed and all the backlog of videos and the promises they're getting fulfilled to the viewers lovin it people love in those six core showdowns with the old-school Zeon and I guess every video I probably get a little mention of X 56 75 even a youtuber called coalition gaming just tweeted recently on Twitter his video where he picked up an X 58 motherboard really cheap and he got some really good value out of that platform recently as well got sent the risin 520 609 X and the non 2700 9 X 2700 so it came to put them to the test against the X series give you guys a video on the you know the X versus the non X and go a little bit more in depth and detail and see what really makes it tick because someone in the comments did make a valid point with that lower TDP rating the 27 might be better in a mini ITX build so well yeah it's definitely cooler running that's for sure um the 2700 was bizarrely though my 2700 overclock better than the 2700 X and Steve had the same thing with this 2600 overclock better than his 2600 X so yeah I'm not sure what's going on there but um the bid they are good they're very cool running though the 2700 and the 2600 boy they run really cool with an aftermarket like even just a 120 millimeter hair color very very cool running so possibly better for overclocking I yeah it might be like last generation I think in the sense of that that pretty much wasn't anything in it between the X and 9x ones that you would on average get about the same overclocking out of them but there's definitely a huge return on overclockers is a huge difference between the 2700 X and the 2700 at stock speeds I mean your 2700 X will hold on all cause about 4 gigahertz most of the time the 2700 goes down to like three point four five so that's pretty colossal there you noticed a big time in the productivity okay yeah we've got here so we'll roll the intro and this episode's brought you guys by jar jar binks so well we'll quickly roll the intro and then we'll get back to some goodness because we do have an announcement as well both Kevin and I will be at an event in a couple of days so I'll quickly roll the intro for you guys okay so what we got here is I am Sydney 2018 so it's gonna be on I believe Friday sorry Friday and Saturday Friday Saturday Sunday yeah so I'm gonna be there for Friday and Saturday so if you guys want to come and say hello and I'll just be there filming for Intel so did you see us go there's a big pro tournament there it's gonna be absolutely crazy because they've set the whole stadium up it's gonna be really good if you want to get tickets you still can I think you still can get tickets I believe so yeah yeah so there's there's that there's also this schedule so there's a schedule there I also look forward to doing maybe on Saturday we can have lunch with your viewers my viewers if they're at IEM Sydney we can have a cool lunch get together be a lot of fun so that'll be yeah I'll be flying down there for Friday and Saturday and filming so this is looking forward to covering this event it's gonna be awesome I've heard some really good things about these in the past as well so tickets are still on sale so secure your seats if you want to but uh speaking of Intel big story we've got up here first massive story delays to the mass production of ten nanometer CPUs so what do you what would you what's your initial thoughts on this well it's just they've been on 40 nanometer now since 2014 like seriously how long does it take the fact that AMD got to 12 nanometer before Intel is unbelievable that I never would have thought that four years ago but yeah if it's gonna take this long I just don't know what's going on with Intel right now because they really it's like they've just fallen asleep they really need to wake up because AMD as we'll talk about later with the seven nanometer stuff they're just gonna get lifted and dust at us right I mean we always thought like you know like that it's yeah Oh Intel and AMD and our aim DS the underdog but I think that whole mindset is change in the future not in terms of the market share because Intel obviously you know dominates laptops and servers and other things but in terms of what's actually bitter I mean right now with my showdowns that I've been doing it's pretty you know it can be very close between Intel and AMD it's very you know competitive now but I think Amy's gonna have to stop leaving until in the dust after they get on seven nanometer did they're having this much trouble Intel with 10 nanometers it's gonna be a problem yeah that's I mean I spoke to the guys at AMD over in Thailand the event I've got a lot of information out of them actually a very very good team of people if their CPU division is on fire and then like people have said especially with what they're doing with what Rd they have men they've thrown some Hail Marys already Rison was incredible Rison second-generation the ribs n+ i'm i like it i think it's a really good improvement people are saying oh it's just a refresh blah blah blah but it's a solid refresh at least one year later you're getting something that's improved and it's got some improvements and they're giving even better value than the previous generation so you've got that there and then you've got now seven nanometer is on roadmap and that's they've already got the samples working apparently and they're telling me it's it's on track it's on schedule to come out mass production in 2019 so that's something that enthusiasts have to look forward to and of course there's the belugas maybe we'll look at a Cinebench score single threaded multi-threaded performance we're not looking at a big difference now between Intel and of course there's so much more to just like for instance especially gaming which I've gone down a rabbit hole and I've found some and preliminary findings with gaming and Intel versus MD but I'm gonna do a lot more research on that before I present the video because I did make a video but it wasn't it just wasn't ready in my opinion like mmm I have found some very big discrepancies and why I think until does better in gaming especially at lower clock speeds but I'm gonna save that secure the 1000 FPS camera baby I told you I was going down I told you guys I was going down this tangent man there's no coming back and I'll say it in the video like I've been infected with Roach itust you're not Roach artists is nah okay there's a guy if you google which input lag there was a guy on the forums he's a he's a mystery now I want to know where he is nowadays a Miss Roach and who just go on about input lag input like everything he could notice apparently legend has it Roach could notice the difference between one millisecond and two milliseconds Wow right that's right so I've been infected with the same disease so we're going down that tangent it's gonna be interesting because I didn't see anyone else covering it as well so I'm gonna go down that tangent bit when we look at rise in the Zen plus and then we compare it to their next generation rising to that's gonna be huge because we've got seven nanometer which is a big drop from 12 and 14 yeah and so is that gonna I'd say naturally I'd assume that's gonna give them an IPC boost but it'd be fair to say at least 5% so with that they'll already be ahead of intel on their current 14 nanometer yeah it will bring it pretty much like with rise into or is in plus it's broader I mean that that gave about three percent three to four percent IPC gain and then obviously the clock speed clock speeds getting bumped up has also helped I think the biggest thing with going to 7 nanometre from everything I've been reading will be the fact that the clock speeds will be that the clock speeds are where AMD is kind of getting kneecapped right now a little bit things like the 8700 K and a 600 K for example have those long legs you know being able to go up to 5 gigahertz 5.1 5.2 potentially and that's where I see the big gain being for AMD going to seven nanometer it's not you know beyond anything to say that I think the seventh or so the rise in three or is in two CPUs will be in the neighborhood of five gigahertz that's what I think will be having everything I've been reading leads me to believe Andy's gonna be getting up like 4.8 4.9 5 gigahertz hopefully and I think that's gonna be huge so the IPC game we'll be there but it will be mainly the clock speed is weird they'll really be looking for the big gains because that's really Intel's only thing they've got over rising still is the clock speed advantage just 8700 K you know getting up to 5 gigahertz 5.1 it's very very powerful because of that but if AMD you know finally gets over that hurdle of clock speed then it's gonna be huge but it's gonna be very interesting to come out and it's very impressive by AMD that they win you know if they're gonna go 40 nanometer then to 12 then to seven within three years I mean Intel's had four years to go from 14 to 10 and they haven't managed to do that so yeah so we can ask chat I mean we could go into conspiracy theory right now if you want to now we've got two choices for conspiracy theory we can go into chromosome 2 or we can go into intelligence P recei theory it's your choice I'm kinda hoping we'll go into chromosome 2 yeah well I mean will gasps were chat later what do they want to go into see this week's conspiracy theory you guys have two choices so that's up to you guys yeah and people were saying that Global Foundries anticipate there will be 40% improvement going to rise going to Xen to 7 nanometer and I would say that's yeah I would probably agree with that maybe that's maybe on the very very top in but you'll see probably 30 to 40 and I think the main chunk of that will be the clock speed advantage they're going going up quite a bit well it's yeah I mean if they can get a massive clock see if they can legit get 5 gigahertz on a core 16 threads that's in itself is gonna be a huge gain plus that node shrink plus if they can make some even further rock architectural improvements we'll be looking at a really solid CPU possibly beating intel on all fronts so it's not that impossible that's the thing I mean we had the 95 90 and that was 5 gigahertz out of the box it's just you got to do it without using 220 have a 220 watt TDP yes so you know that's gonna be the thing that if the five gigahertz will be achievable it's just whether or not you know how much power is that gonna be using doing that and you know how grunty of a call I mean the ninety five ninety was just like a nuclear reactor so it was like setting V RMS on fire and stuff so the it is very possible but you got to see how wide so there's a big thing now so they face these delays yields aren't good enough so basically with yields what this means is they can't get the clock speeds high enough the actual samples that are coming out from the factory just aren't indicative of what if they would have mass-produced this how many they could sell with you know of course an improvement over their previous generation now we've already seen this with one CPU from Intel I believe was it abroad well mainstream CPUs now they went in laptops because laptops don't need as higher clock speeds they're more built for power efficiency but when we look at the enthusiasts desktop chips those broad wells just got swept under a rug and that's hence why you saw there has well refresh the 4790k and they made a big focus on that because they're already normal Intel's not new to these delays they've already dealt with them in the past and so is it possible that there may be their manufacturing node and their way of making these nodes is just not as good as TSM C or the other companies that are getting on their game I mean tsmc is apparently got five nanometer in in production already like getting ready the preliminary production so it's it's a worry when Intel can't get the gains if the competitors can get and yeah I mean going forward I am concerned because hey if Intel falls off then we're gonna have AMD in the CPU is a possibility of course we'd only theory crafting here but there are there's no chance of that happening with their revenue there's just no way they're making sway too much money of the enterprise systems I know but record record revenues and whatnot bit yeah we what we've seen with Verizon versus Intel at the very least is incredible competition with that consumers win a lot eighty seven hundred case for nominal value for money for a high-end his chip same with the risin 720 700 X you've got absolutely phenomenal value going into consumers pockets and that's I guess that's what's coming out of it so I want to see until get on their game because we know risin is gonna be on that game next year so I really want to see what Intel can pull off if they can pull off a 10 nanometer 8 core C 20 threaded chip I'm sorry ain't cool 16 threaded Joe Joe what did you do to me this morning yeah so if they can get that in the works then we've got some really good competition set for next year but of course with it being delayed it's actually quite worrisome because even broad well e if you remember broad well e that was not good man like really broad well he was not good in my opinion it was it was really nothing over the 5820k the 6800 K was just nothing because the the IBC improvement mitigated the clock speed disadvantage so if broad oily was better on the higher end like the 69 hundred K and stuff was very good but the fact there yeah the 68 50k in 6800 K I don't think were what people were expecting that's for sure but yeah it's wood that there was one of the best things they did when they went you know the 7900 X is still for if you need a very very powerful CPU it is extremely powerful but yeah it's those ones are kind of difficult to say but if they go up to eight eight core 16 threads like the eighty nine hundred K or whatever it'll be called you know something like that that would be very very good for Intel um but they got to get this heat thing under control because even I mean in 8700 K that's not deleted which you really shouldn't be having to do D letting if you're paying that much for a CPU anyway um it's just way too hot I mean my 8700 K is just such a hot CPU it's very difficult to keep it cool which is just not an issue with the rise and even rise into the 2700 XO that 105 watt TDP still yeah easier to call them that 8700 K so yeah it's ridiculous yeah well this is the new news now we've got the next article that ties in with all this on the same date so then 26th of April they announced to investors on a conference call that they announced that they were having problems with the yields bryant conant announced it and now on the 26th of April that same day they're announcing that Jim Keller is coming over from Tesla to Intel to help on the silicon engineering that is incredible news because what we already know what we already know with Jim Keller is he is brilliant now some of course some people are out there like ok I know I've read some reddit I've gone through a little bit of read it forms and like Jim Gale is not the guy who designs all the nooks and crannies in the CPU is just the guy who leads the projects he's a visionary yes he is and when I spoke to AMD in Thailand they said he's amazing he's brilliant because he put together all the talent gave them the direction they needed to go on and set them realistic goals everything in order to make Rison what it was he did that and the proofs in the pudding he did an amazing job he did a phenomenal job he pulled AMD out of the out of the much got the dead zone put them back on to this I don't know the successful smooth running train track and now we're seeing is just healthy competition so he's definitely got a lot of experience he's brilliant he's talented and now until want that same talent over on their team and of course with the massive R&D budget behind them what is this gonna spell yeah well this will be it for sure that it's gonna be good for Intel and yeah let's hope that he can come up with something I'm not really sure do you think that Intel needs to change the architecture like is it like with the ring bus one of the big advantages aim D has is you know with the CC X and C C X's and that they're infinity fabric by design it's quite good that they can it's just a very what the right word is just efficient way a modular way to make CPU so and that's I think being part of the problem for Intel so do you see them changing that well they have the mesh architecture already on sky like ax I think going forward they'll probably really get Jim Keller on border to fine tune and tweak the mesh architecture because I guess that is the Future Forum yeah see what they can do with that but of course for gaming of course the ring-toss is so relevant and this is an interesting thing if they go mesh on even mainstream how is that gonna pan out for him because at least with the research I've got now I'm really gonna say anything's I don't want people going off and copying my video on all this stuff I'm gonna save it for the video but yeah ring boss is fantastic for gaming that's all I'm gonna say least with my luminary findings you know and so yeah I gotta wait until I see get more evidence gain more evidence because I really want to make a solid video on it beer hit piece is actually for me it's fascinating I don't know for most people that wouldn't really care but channels never really been about you know just appeasing the masses has always been a nice channel take a city you know niche audience people who are open minded want to hear new use yeah so there's that and I mean Jim Keller's definitely got the backing behind him so I think he is going to be capable of turning things around when I even turned me around but just making Intel put any on the next level I mean that's he does make it happen so looking forward to seeing what he does yeah of course I'm looking forward to seeing what entailed us with getting on getting back on track for 2019 that's the I guess that's the biggest thing going forward yeah of course Andy they have this 7 nanometre ready we already know this 7 nanometre ready to go next year and it's actually a huge drop they're very impressed with it with their results that they've sort of been touting behind the scenes and I guess a lot of enthusiasts are looking forward to this plus they're again they're soldiering they're adding value into the CPU AMD are really on their game so Intel really have to step up their game for their next generation they know this now they enough to they couldn't be yeah with broad I think with broad well they they had a pause because what was out at the time the FX 8320 FX 8350 I mean until didn't have to do anything I could just let the 4770k just keep rolling and sales would have kept rolling they had the advantage and so but now it's it's a different feel it's a different time things are changing up things are very different now so what are you going to see in this market nothing that's really I love it I love it I love it when you don't know what's going to happen that's what makes life so fun you know yeah it's it's quite good right now the standout thing for me that's interesting is that it looks like AMD's gonna be going with TSM see Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company when previously they've been mainly going with Global Foundries so that's interesting change there but mm-hmm yeah the seven enemy just going to be huge and I think for all the people that were on Rison one right now that we may be looking at rise ensue and thinking well you know this there's a few gains there but it doesn't really seem that worth it to me which is probably what I would say if you're on raisin one already I wouldn't really unless there's a reason why you need to go up to more cores or something I wouldn't really see a reason to go to rise into at least in a you know one for one thing if you go to six core rise in one going to a six core rising to I just it just wouldn't be worth it you'd be much better off waiting for the seven enemy two CPUs to come out because that really will be a huge step and that'll be a massive upgrade for you but because they've also committed to staying on the same a m4 platform painful plus platform I think you know it's gonna make it slightly more difficult for them in terms of how crazy they can go especially with how much power the CPUs are going to use if people are going to be wanting to chuck them saying in x4 70 at the time I mean it could be a good sign though with the x4 70s the one so the two I've had a look at so far and a lot of the other ones they seem to be really overkill in terms of the vrm and also cpu power you see most of them come with like an 8 pin a 4 pin some of them coming with joep and cpu power connectors which is overkill for what it is right now unless you're going crazy with overclocking but that may be because they've got something you know crazy in the future with 7 nanometer and this is just in preparation for that so it's overkill for the current generation but when those ones come out when rise and 3 comes out you're gonna that might be necessary so that could be one of the reasons they've done that that's just a theory of mine it's nothing I've heard from AMD or anything but just that's kind of like being my thinking because a lot of these X 470 motherboards the ones I've had a look at anyway are really overkill for our you know like even a 2700 X unless you're trying to like take that thing to the moon without a lean-to or something it's just really I should kill well that's what people do I mean that's essentially they do take it to the moon with ln2 and so I think a lot of them are fighting for that bragging right because hey like for instance I know for a fact of Zeus motherboards they're practically used by every professional overclocker especially in tournaments when I went to the tournament for Galax in Thailand everyone had an soos motherboard like I think someone had a backup gigabyte board that was only one person there was no MSI asura boards there to be found so I guess when that speaks lengths for all the professional overclockers that trickles down into the enthusiast sector whether it be water or air overclock or enthusiasts so I mean I think with this round this time around if you've got guys who have got 4 plus 8 in CPU connectors on their motherboards it says a statement hey we're the best sort of thing and if the other competitors the competitors not doing it they're gonna lose sales men naturally like we looked at the end or two heat sinks for example they're bringing them out and they're working I mean MSI previously released an m2 shield which was useless actually increase the temperatures yeah so I think I don't even know I haven't even seen one of their motherboards have you have you go to next 470 MSI motherboard yeah I got to the gaming Pro carbon and I've also tested the the one you got the or ass gaming seven okay which one have the light metal uh I've only briefly been using the MSI but I'd say I don't know they're about the same to me really it's not there's not a huge difference I mean the as far as power connectors go the MSI is Joe eight pins where the gigabyte was eight pin 4 pin but in really matter cuz I just use a single a pin anyway and that just isn't a problem it's to overkill standard rating for an eight pins like 230 watts isn't it that's like the standard right yes so it's like a lot more power through that as well well me that's why I good connectors well you Betty 700 K as well and so do i and that's on our z3 70s and that's usually for a single a pen and once you overclock that thing up to like 5 gigahertz 5.1 5.2 you're drawing a lot of power then so if it's still well this is well under an eight pin well under that yeah yeah still under but it does draw quite a bit so but the other thing that they could be doing is because they've only release up to the 2700 X I mean there's no it's not confirmed that that's gonna be the highest for right now for risin to and II could just be sitting on their hands maybe in the future six months I don't think this will be the case but it could be the case and they released at in core you know rise into CPU like the 2800 X or something like that and that could also be the reason why that the motherboards are quite overkill because they have plans to maybe go up a bit higher than that they don't need to just stay to eight core on the mainstream but I don't see that being the case because then it starts eating into their thread repair territory which you've obviously want good sales on that because they make quite good money on the thread Ripper stuff so people don't say that'll be the cable of said they could be planning a six core 12 thread I'm sorry where am I going with this 12 core 24 thread on 7 nanometre for mainstream that's a possibility if they redesigned the c CX modules for the 7 now yeah so it could be possible but that would be pretty like wow for the mainstream I mean the other thing people often forget it's not just about the all count when you go up to the enthusiast platform which will be say X 499 when that comes out or X 399 which is currently what's out with thread refer this is all the other platform differences that people buy them for you know the workstation stuff like the PCIe lanes just the quad channel memory and lots of other things it's not just about the core count but it's so there's a lot of things there as well but I don't think they'll go up beyond eight core four rise ensue but I see it probably being the case with rising three that they may go up a bit higher than that we'll just have to see I think mainly the seven animator stuff that will surprise everyone will be the clock speed so then and that'll be the nail in the coffin for Intel unless they can get something out then a core on the mainstream platform that can also do five gigahertz but yep the CPUs are gonna get crazy man like it's it's already getting crazy and it's it's gonna get more crazy I think I'll still it was even three years ago like even two-and-a-half years ago man oh it was so stale and now it's just crazy it's like we got too many choices that's great like I love competition it makes things exciting but we got here next on the rumor mill until retires the cabbie like X process design I don't know what I clicked on the link to try and take me to Intel's site but does this look like a fake news story because it says it's launched doesn't say discontinued like they're saying it's discontinued or end of life but when look at the next 56 75 which we know was discontinued look at these two pages I mean there's still yeah I know I'm just trying to figure out where it says its end-of-life tall ready so you might not have updated it yet because another site had said that they were retiring the KB like X's as well yeah so I mean ultimately though like when we look at it right yes the cabby like X CPUs were bad I mean I'm sure is a disaster what a disaster the only person I see buying one of those was just someone who wanted to have a bit of fun and I didn't even know man I don't even know who bought the CPU like no way was it wasn't motherboard problems as well where like you couldn't even use some of the RAM slots or something or if you did it yeah you can did they only limited it Jill so in your ex $2.99 you could only use dual channel memory with them it basically negated all the benefits of the enthusiast platform or X 299 you couldn't use quad channel memory they didn't have all the crazy lanes there's you know you just they're just stupid like that it made no sense the motherboards cost way more than the CPUs which is never against it 100 100 euro donation whoa whoa I read that in chat that's using thanks dude as that that's a massive donation I know that was huge whoa sorry I didn't oh it's rupee man that's indeed so he bought Ruby's awesome so well I did I do plan to go to India so ash case says I bought two GTX 1082 eyes and sorry for 200 AUD it was a gigabyte water force I even checked it by opening the CPU in a raw real deal searching XQ and chat ok I'll check that out late a bit if you got to 1080 t is for 200 Australian dollars man that's a really good deal what Mike if you man wind force but yeah that is probably the deal of a century if you got to 1080 P I don't know who would have sold you that man but yeah you should be as yeah Jeff Lee yeah that's a that's an insane deal I mean if it works are you just talking about the water coolers themselves and I'm guessing if you're just talking about the water cools is I just don't know anyone who would sell a 1080 ti4 not even a single one for 200 little own two of them only yeah jeez Oh down else maybe that was a hundred euro I was one day I'm gonna get cashed up today yeah cuz there's some good deals on at the moment like I'll be making a did eat video d do a DiDio about eBay deals and all that stuff cuz I got some really good deals in the pipework so I'm gonna say that for a video probably release it tomorrow the next day but yeah the whole market is shifting and I love it like new parts is so awesome and everyone who loves use parts of course they love new parts and they hope that new parts get more competitive because when they do we see things like a low prices on the youth segment so anyway this story here kind of like a bit of a I don't know at the moment I'm not really gonna say if they've end-of-life dit but it still says it's launched on the website so who knows I don't know what this site is doing here so revenues for Samsung hynek's and micron doubled between quarter 1 2016 and quarter 3 2017 with a 47% increase in 2017 so what we're looking at here is price fixing and they say they've got proof so there's a class-action lawsuit now going on in the US and since these guys control apparently 96 to 98 percent of the global DRAM market it's absolutely stupid how much they control so we've got an open bottle gobbly is that oligopoly and it looks like it's controlled by Hynek Samsung a micron they're all like parently they've all agreed to price fix so and I it looks legit right when you look at those prices of DRAM and they way too expensive absolutely absurd the prices of ddr4 memory yeah it's shocking Samsung has been in trouble for this before so it's not really that surprising but I don't think anybody's shocked by the fact that they're making record profits and the fact that their price fixing I don't think a single person is shocked but no not exactly so the good thing is you've really seen Ram prices are coming down a little bit like I saw a Ram kid up on Amazon for like 80 bucks for 8 gigabytes so the premium isn't a whole lot I mean we got $70 I think it was so 16 gigabyte memory kits all the $70 well actually that's nothing that's insanely good value for money but you see that now is like yeah 170 bucks so the difference between memory pricing has just gone stupid it's not even like I could understand like this is the thing with memory I could understand if they were just going in for a little you know a little snake a little chunk you know I mean you just up up it like a 10 or 15 bucks here and there and you make up some excuse but going over the top and over double the prices what you expect you don't expect to get a class-action lawsuit like come on you don't expect the companies that I'm especially buying purchasing like thousands of sticks of memory you don't expect them to be livid over this yeah I mean average consumer it's like hey we're paying like an extra 30 40 50 bucks we can't do anything is not even worth our time to go see a solicitor over 50 bucks but there are companies out there that will say hey this is absolute BS let's go to town on micron Samsung and good old hynix and see what they can cough up for us and so I hope these companies do cough up big time because this is many people ramp on about GPP and stuff this is miles isn't another park compared to GPP this is yeah this is really affecting consumers besides a um a gaming logo or something so this is just terrible it's disgusting really so I mean let us know in the comments what you think about this price fixing it's it's horrible and it shouldn't be happening in 2018 especially with the laws in place I hope they really get a big one for this they really cop it hard yeah I think they will I mean I would say solution he said he said he said sup Teddy how is Teddy anyway man yeah he's been good it's just been partying a bit hard lately eh is he coming to Sydney probably not I think people would find me dude Teddy's got to come to Sydney man come on bring him to Sydney yeah I'll see he's gonna Computex bringing all the way to Taiwan Eamon but am Ian how long you and Computex four by the way I don't I I mom I still get a workout so I've Stewart of workout with the UM with who wants booth coverage and whatnot um so it looks like them yeah it looks like Oh we'll be looks like I'll be thanked session is donate more man Cheers and so it looks like at the moment I've got a few different like coarser of course on number one they're getting like because they're amazing to work with so I lined them up booth coverage and stuff so lining up I've actually in the myths of bartering with companies instead of you know charging a 4k video production for something for their booth I just said look I'll cover your booth for some ddr4 memory and one company's already agreed and I'm like woo so just bartering ddr4 memory for booth coverage means the way to go yeah I'll join you over some parts if I can if I can when I see you it I am but uh we'll see how I go yeah I mean I've never been in combat export so it'll be exciting for me to be able to check it out ddr4 memory is it's a currency now that's what it is yeah I got I've got to lots of to sixteen gigabyte ddr3 kits which I just have no use for and then I've got to spare lots of ddr4 this is some corsair dominator platinum the real premium stuff and I've also got a hyper X kit somewhere as well some ddr4 another 16 gigabyte kit so I've been fortunate in that I actually stocked up on it a lot before so I've been completely unaffected by the price increase yeah I mean we've got more good sticks coming down to 83 bucks again I think that's the cheapest I've seen ddr4 in a while especially a gig kids they're very popular so there you go like 83 bucks for a kid of RAM it's not too bad the speeds are pretty good as well I do remember like this is crazy right I remember it when I was in the States in 2016 near the end of 2016 I remember I picked up like that sixth though it's 32 gig kit of ddr4 memory for like a hundred and fifteen us like that's how cheap ddr4 memory used to be that's how cheap it used to be so if they can make a profit selling it at that price imagine selling a 32 gigabyte kit of memory for 330 dollars it's like just pure profit in the back pocket the amount of money that made off these kits is absolutely insane so this is like yeah this is the biggest one so far I mean I hope these prices come down more and I hope we can get some normal DDR even if it's like again even I said you know you're going for those little Snipes even who is $10 $20 above average whatever I show people a lot of people don't care but it's when you start really gouging and going for those you know massive greedy plays that's when people start to get really ticked off so anyway that's about it for this week's articles guys we're gonna move over to chat now see what's cracking in the live stream chat and if you guys have some questions for either tech showdown mister keV or myself then go ahead in the comment section now also yeah both Kevin I will be again will say we will be at I am Sydney so if you guys are ready they're all three days guys so I'll be there on the Friday this Saturday in the Sunday although I'm not sure if I'll be I may be only that they've been briefly on the fryer just have to see healthy my agenda goes okay so oh yes sorry Alonso yeah I will meant I I did see you send a message on the forums I'm gonna I've got your email I'll contact you directly after the show finishes sorry about that we'll get some live chat viewer as well so bring out the live chat actually live so there okay cool so now we can ask how's your sex appeal sensitive glass ok so Sean us how's my I don't know man I haven't been out in the wall I haven't actually gone out on the town with the glasses on yet brother so I can't find out if it's given out the sex appeal or not so yeah there's that but apparently people say I look younger do I look younger with the glasses like someone said do do you like got vampire's blood or something that was a funny comment you know you just look younger with the glasses on look in in coming months when I'm on top like when I'm a hundred percent on top of my health game when everything's done the backlogs are all cleared the super busy season gets through I'll be making the tech yes City guide to 110% health and glory and victory would you guys like to see that like how you can be a healthy hermit you know I mean healthy hermit play video games eight hours a day eat bad food but still be fit it's good I mean I think a lot of people have always liked there's been other ones you know the Gamo type thing you see with some of the CS guys exhibition the biggest thing is to cut bread out of your diet like flour especially like white bread that's the biggest one if you're just eating white bread that is so bad for you apparently there's a kid who ate nothing but chips and white bread and you know the funny thing is this kid went blind or something like that I read this news article I was shocked went blind bro so what you eat is so important of course don't eat crap fast food don't go out eating I'm not gonna name any names that I want to get in trouble but when you go out like I eat sushi if I go out I'll eat this sushi down the takeaway Center salmon avocado rice healthy as and it's still fast food so there's so many good options out there nowadays drink water drink cups of tea I don't drink coke I don't drink whatever you know Fantas and all that stuff sugars yeah sugars the killer - so you just down the ain't me gonna be hyped up there's some other supplements I take as well the guide will come out and you guys hopefully should love it the man you know change your life it'll change your life that's what I'll do for you yeah okay so yeah chips and white bread so that's what I mean people like guys know chips and white bread so cut that out I mean potato chips are okay baked in the oven but so and try an Indian accent for used parts huh mmm pizza and birthday Peter be sponsor yeah like when you wake up she'll be drinking like get a blender put a banana Apple all that stuff mix it up fruit smoothie bang there's your breakfast supercharge your day so what happened to technicals well tech deals is hiatus this week he has a lot of work to do he just got signed up on floatplane with Linus tech tips so that was a huge thing for him so he's just super busy and again I can't eat into his schedule it's up to him I've been thankful that he's came on the last two weeks as well before this but of course we got I am as well Kevin I will get both got to go to Sydney for I am and Jack as well Jack's a patron he said man you've got a stream it's his birthday today so happy birthday jack so sir yeah anyway no I didn't I didn't I mean takers didn't sell out to LTT I mean the end of the day like with all the sponsors and stuff like that as long as you you can do whatever you want on your channel put in sponsors take sponsor deals but when you come when you put review in the title of your video if you're putting review in the title your video as long as you're doing a review I got no quarrels with your channel you're not I mean mmm but if you put a showcase as a review then that's a different story so you know you put it like my product reviews are always going to be product reviews I'm gonna say look is this product bad or is it good would I go out and buy this thing that's that's a product review you know I mean but yeah if you're passing off a bad product as a good product and that's just terrible it shouldn't happen so I don't know detective he hasn't done that once I've watched a lot of these videos he hasn't passed off any bad products as good products so I don't quite he hasn't he's not a sellout so in terms I mean what's your opinion on that what's he think he's a sellout at all okay he seems pretty I mean it does very long-form reviews which his fans really love so good on him and you know I think he goes and they're incredible amounts of detail so for the people that are wanting very there are quite long detailed reviews he's definitely that's his bread and butter and that's what he likes to do and I've haven't watched any of his reviews that I thought were seemed bias or anything he just tells it how it is I mean that's the thing right we're all gonna have different opinions on products yeah as long as your opinion based on your personality I mean I guess that's a stupid thing to say because your personality could be a sale but I mean as long as it's you doing the review and your views who know what I mean yeah men sellouts have come and gone sellouts that do they come and go men and their channels die like dead in the water so I think yeah you can usually because like they say cries into for example we all the reviews on it we test different games we do different you know ways of testing so we're always going to get slightly different results but if you watch say 10 Rison 2,700 X reviews and you should get the general idea from all of them they should all be telling you similar things for the most part if the review is a good that will have differences of opinions in some areas but more or less they're all point you in the same direction but if you have someone that just goes in completely the other direction unless there's something they know that you don't then that's when you can maybe look into it but that's not the thing you should really just be looking for yeah that's I mean that's another reason I don't go too much into this like I mean it's the only NVIDIA GPA and all these like stories but um I mean I just like now I've realized for me look when it comes to AMD Intel and NVIDIA as long as they're not doing this price fixing crap you know that that is terrible this is DDI for price fixing is horrible this is really affecting consumers I don't know about GBP I haven't really looked bothered looking at it because it doesn't of course it's affecting consumer choice but it's not affecting your wallet at the end of the day I don't think so I haven't really I haven't bought into the hype a lot of people have just covered it and bashed in video to death but when it comes down to it man I'm only interested really in reviewing Intel AMD and NVIDIA SPRO ducks and how they apply to my audience the end of the day you know if Nvidia CEO has you know whatever he's doing all this crazy stuff in his personal life it's got nothing to do with me if he's delivering a phenomenal product at the end of the day then that's all I want to review where he's delivering a crap product I want to tell people to stay away from it so I think they were doing something I might actually take a look at that when they doing something dodgy with the GG 1030 though I yeah there was something to do with that account remember off to tell my head but I think what you're saying is what most take review is I think a lot of you guys think that a lot of the viewers some of the viewers think that I'll we're in bed with certain companies but honestly we don't we all the tech reviewers I speak to and are friends with will don't really care about the companies beyond the products like Intel AMD we're really like they're just like they're just a company you know we test the products yeah and if the products are cool then we give them a good review we don't like them then we give them a bad review but it's not like we it's anything beyond that we just sort of want to see good products because I mean as much as we like reviewing them we like running this stuff ourselves as well I mean we like powerful CPUs and GPUs just like you guys do so when they bring out something cool we're just like sweet you know put it in the personal rig or something but that's what it comes down to a lot of the time and it's nothing really beyond that in my experience that's what main dude if I like I wouldn't be doing fight if someone said do this sell out route I wouldn't do YouTube man I'll be working just a normal everyday 24/7 night whatever I'll just be working something normal IRL because I you know I couldn't sleep at night this is when you selling out misleading people's disgusting man you put yourself in other people's shoes yes yeah yeah it's it's I think as long as you're getting the comments that like I do that are 5050 so I get some that say okay you're so bias towards Intel then I get some of this so oh you're so biased towards AMT so as long as it's 5050 people like all your games like you might see be user reviews I got like a couple of comments or your game choice is questionable it's like well tell me the game what games you want tested you know I didn't see one Far Cry five people that test Far Cry 5 apparently it's better on AMD CPUs I actually got it right now and bought it so I'll be putting it in some future reviews but I test when it comes down to a CPU review I test first and foremost competitive multiplayer titles because that's where a CPU is really gonna make a difference even if it's a small difference a difference is still a difference you know testing a game like which three I don't even know I have I have a copy of Witcher 3 just buried in some other platform like gee lots of g-man games or something and I just I don't bother testing that game because I don't hey it's too much of a hassle to install on my computer's it's not on the Steam I wish I got it on Steam B it's like does anyone play that competitively like is there a competitive following behind it yeah so when it comes down to competitive games I straightaway think of fortnight pop G you've got csgo dota 2 these are the games where people need that edge that bleeding level edge if they're in a tournament whatnot so they're the games that are gonna get priority and in the CPU reviews so and I just yeah that's just how I test mainly that's the first focus of course I'll test some later titles as well but GTA 5 as well it's still very popular in the online so that game is absolutely insane yeah so yeah I've been testing that as well still test that so there's this sort of like the workings maybe if you guys want to see a behind the scenes sort of how I benchmark and how I do things I can maybe release that video get asked a lot about sort of a behind the scenes stuff how do you keep the channel going how do you keep it alive so yeah Rainbow six siege that's a good one I've kept that and my testing for yeah since the game launched I've just kept it in there because everyone loves it that I did I keep benchmarking it yeah but yeah you're exactly right and I think the other thing is that a lot of viewers see see it as if you do a advertisement in a video for something completely unrelated to tech sites for I don't know whatever type of service a browser extension or whatever a website that's got nothing to do with tick I mean we do that guys or for a mobile game as is quite common now that you do that because it helps support the channel for one but also getting that money means that we can get better equipment we can sometimes we need to buy the products because companies want to send them to us or you know whatever it's difficult to get them so all that that really helps with the channel and if it's got nothing to do with tech then what's the problem there I just don't see it being an issue at all you know I think that's with you know advertisement issues on YouTube with D monetization and that um I think that's gonna be a more regular thing you're gonna see and it doesn't really hurt anybody so I don't see an issue with it at all you may not like the game you may not be interested in it or whatever if it's a mobile game I saw that a lot on one of Steve's videos but you know whatever it's no one's forcing you to do anything and it's helpful for the channel so I think that's all it comes down to at the end of the days yeah there's that it's yes still using the eBay chair this is just for the stream oh man this chairs good like all the chairs I've reviewed all the chairs that I talked about they're all good I like the eBay Chas easily the best value for money be bitch Jezz still kicking hard yeah you've got a gaming chair hey hey you like yeah my a K racing one okay I'm just going to yes yeah okay writing that one yeah they were because I did the dxracer chair differences video which got crazy views is my most popular video it's like 900 800 something thousand views now it's crazy I was like whoa um and it wasn't even my idea to do the video so the nak racing asked me to do it and then I got to try but that the chairs out there dxracer and a K racing I decided to go with this one but yeah so but it's good nice man like if she gaming does it uh does it make you like FPS go up and stuff yeah man through the roof okay those are the only the only promise my cat Frank he keeps tearing up it's like the fake leather on it and he keeps jumping on it with this clothes out and then it puts big holes in the seat okay take a few more questions from chat what's your what's what's price for your internet connection okay so I'm paying like eighty strain dollars a month fifty down twenty up unlimited downloads so it's actually been really good so far I haven't had one hiccup with his internet provider I'd rather not say the names I don't want people jumping on the internet provider that I'm on and then the bandwidth that's still expensive what you're getting it's miles bet on what I used to have I used to have ten down one up and I'll spent like over 100 bucks for a month it was disgusting but she says hey I'm happy with eighteenth man I'm happy with eighty month yeah I'm living at downloads and limited uploads really happy with it so that's my internet connection at the moment we'll take a few more questions as well GTX 970 for 140 USD yeah it's it's decent it's about rounded my max threshold I'd pay for a 970 providing some decent model is a reference model I'd probably stay clear of it personally I'd won something like a gigabyte g1 970 but yeah not so many around that prospect breed say hey would you take you know just slap a little bit off he's probably if he's asking 140 you probably get it down for about 120 that's probably he's hoping for and you know he's got a hundred bucks in the wallet 20 bucks to go out and get dinner that's probably his thinking behind that guy selling the 978 Brian do you have any experience with Aliexpress disputes I actually do have one I think and I did get refunded the money so it was this Aliexpress are really good with their dispute process so if you have a problem you put it in and you'll get fixed up straight away ken kingston valueram be overclockable if you want to answer some of these questions to Kevin go for it but king kingston valueram be overclocked yeah of course any ramp can be overclocked on an overclockable motherboard that doesn't have a limit best budget cooler to take an X 56 72 4.5 gig it's this is tricky because of course you need you've got different variances in your Z on some Zeon's like the s50 675 goes up to 4.5 5 gig outside say a lot of those chips do as temps are of a cooler you're gonna want to get a really good cooler now budget coolers the vtg 5 actually have to test it because I think I've got 4 point 4 gigahertz on the VT g5 before that's a really good value cooler I've got the cool if you're in Australia that Coolermaster 620 p is really good value for my 70 straining dollars which would be like 50 USD but it's a twin tower 2 fans you've even got the RGB bling and it was pretty putting out some impressive numbers too that's a really good cooler in Australia I school amaz only want you selling this end of America for 50 bucks being absolute hit so I'm waiting on their response for that but that cool is actually really good value for money too I'd be gone for that because of course you've got the upgrade ability to aim for support or whatever platform that comes out you probably have support for it with that coolermaster kit so best recommendations for a budget em ATX case would be the cool master light 3.1 as well that's just out off the top of my head what about you keV I'm just shocked at these internet prices bro these guys in the States so getting this is just sort of unbelievable people playing how much they do for what they get it's shocking I pay 200 a month maybe down oh no no we're gonna figure question every now ok 980ti price off the top of my head you pay about 250 USD that be around about what you want to get one for max 300 USD Oh question round there's just so many questions that came in and I lost them okay okay yeah deep cool guy max 400 for 16 US dollars 16 US dollars is a really good deal grab that because it's a really good cooler for a budget outfit four cores eight threads especially in x40 3470 that cpu and that cooler is a perfect combination on the budget even an ex 3440 with age 55 motherboard you get 500 up and 500 down that's awesome man it I know that dude that's really good ash k you flex and brother you're flexing in the comments 75 us for 20 down so it's pretty bad $169 for the rise in 2700 X at PC case Q you know I even really checked right her prices in astray at the moment it seems a little bit overpriced off the top of my head for the 2700 X what mid tower case would you recommend don't mind price too much om air 540 fi40 any day of the week Corsair 540 is like it you know the white case it looks so nice to it we've got the white fans on it bang out of the box bling-bling airflow to go absolute breeze to install stuff in that's the case to go for if anyone wants to argue with me about the air 540 let's do it okay Tex showdown per month or per year what's his 400 the internet here now you can get a thousand down 500 up for 130 New Zealand dollars yep so that's pretty okay you go to these guys X 50 X FX FX X 58 I have you tried this nope don't want to try it either I generally stick you know especially in the x58 era I'd be going if you can go for an inducible go for and Azusa board as rock boards weren't too bad gigabyte boards weren't too bad MSI boards X 58 and really hit and miss especially their lower end boards they just weren't equipped in my opinion to run the six core 12 threads like the pro and stuff like that how much would you pay for a risin 1600 oh now like tech deals said last week I probably pay 130 US dollars for one and dude we do per month there's no ash k it's so actually it's per month brother per month we always do per month oh dude per year for Internet 2600 X better price and performance then 2,700 X I want you factor in all your PC costs or your power supply everything like that I would go with the 2,700 X especially when you get a cooler in in it you can sell the cooler make a bit of bang back i5i is 3200 us for a 59 30k it's actually a pretty decent price yes x 99 boards will be on sale pretty cheap problem is ddr4 memory always expensive I'd be hunting the ddr4 memory and the super pick up the CPU CPU so good price but of course you're gonna find the other 2 variants for a pretty good price to Brian keeps skipping my question I'll catch it man let me know your question what do you think of the 49 60 X year really nice CPU depends on how much you can pick it up for every 4770k for 120 us yeah yeah that's pretty decent deal I'd go for 110 us just a little snap off the top man 10 bucks in your back pocket always better and no money in your back pocket ok so now we got a question round-robin I'll wait for the last question as well he said I keep scooping this question give me a question I won't skip it this time RJ Ray and then we'll wind up the show after that and we'll get these other questions have we met in real life before keV no we haven't we're gonna meet in I am for the first time IRL it's gonna be fun there's gonna be fireworks isn't there keV there's gonna be chemistry isn't there Teddy ma I only could imagine that could happen give a shout-out to your viewers in the Philippines this is Joe by the way okay yeah viewers in the Philippines thanks for watching guys love y'all can't wait to do a part on the Philippines - I just hope destiny brings me there one day can I run the 7700 K on a z3 7000 I haven't tried that that's actually a good question but I think you can yeah you can't Caillou I don't think I think the pin layout was different wasn't it I'm not too sure oh yeah that might have been the case yeah sure remember okay RJ ray you got to tell me what a zoo rampage motherboard it is I is it a rampage three were like fourth generation the Generation X 58 X 79 let me know keV is gonna be all shaven and are you you're gonna be a dunno they used to have like a big beard on you Conor McGregor I shaved over four I can't go to Ozzy because they'll be too hot otherwise yeah it's like getting cold Nance you're really good at the moment the weather's perfect man whether it's absolutely perfect okay so sorry question round robins going picked up a Quadro 683 2012 34 a yes very good deal that cpu is amazing 4 cores 8 threads really good power consumption to x58 board rampage 3 that's actually I mean in mint condition I think people are selling them for as high as 300 bucks man you probably sell that for 200 bucks easy and snap it up and get money for it instantly so yeah ok the right way to use 7700 K by the way with the Z 370 you're right ok ok it's not your competitor like a rampage through was only came yeah sorry I just I look a tramp I didn't follow the rampage series a whole lot so I just when you say x58 rampage 3 I think I've got one here but it's missing the heatsinks make-a-wish the zealand ok ok makes 5650 only hits 3.4 gig it's what i do i can't believe that send that x 56 50 over to me I'll get that thing to at least four point two men I can't believe it we go to three point four that's just that does not make any sense unless it's been abused and it's on its way out like unless it's like literally on the verge of death selling a PC with a high-five 2500 four gigabytes around 10-30 price I put another 4 gigabytes of RAM if you can no one would really want to buy it with 4 gigabytes of RAM 1030 will sell that PC to someone who wants to play fortnight I charge around maybe 300 us if you can get that anyway I have a 56 90 coming in male I paid 90 USD yeah that's awesome answer oh ok what to do there we go question round robin yes if you go questions I'll be in chat as well I'll stick around and chat after we close out the stream and yeah so you're ready to go - I am Sydney as well got to record another video I've tested the are 580 from asrock - and it's pretty good I go that's gonna be a good review man that's gonna be a good review because as ro there's a lot as rocks there's a few little improvements of course they haven't just made it perfect but they've got the formula right I mean they're ready to step in for the 6th generation and when people ask like oh this is like some people ask like why did as rock release rx 580 why would they do it so late in the cycle I think it's a brilliant choice because they can get all the feedback and then make their sixth series launch perfect I think that's that's what's gonna come out of the five series launch and I like what they're doing the graphics card performs really well a few little things I'd like to see added to it but I wasn't last nice card so yeah guys I'm gonna be joining you in chat and also keV the link to his channels in the description below if you want to go check out tax showdown thanks for joining us if you are in Sydney do that keyboards obnoxiously loud if you want if you want to go to if you're in Sydney or if you're coming to I am hopefully we can see you there I'll be there Friday and Saturday filming and getting a vlog done as well it's gonna be awesome and hopefully if you guys if you want to stay up to date follow us on Twitter slash tech es city I'll be announcing a lunch on Saturday so it won't be at the venue so if you don't want to buy a tickets but you just want to meet up then definitely just follow us on Twitter be around lunchtime and we'll just go meet up all the viewers we can have a lunch in Sydney be awesome have a bit of fun so yes stay tuned on Twitter is there any closing things you want to say keV before we jump on out of you know man that'll be great I look forward to hanging out with you in a few days I am and yeah let's have fun let's do a lunch or something hopefully I'll try my best to join you guys yeah very really good oh praise Jah Jah Jah Jah yeah thank you so much Joe Jaffa be bringing Jah Jah not a mug bro you know the death of Jojo okay all right guys thank you so much for tuning in I'm gonna join you guys in comments as well just answering some questions so if you've got dying questions I'll be there thank you guys so much for tuning in love you all and catch you in the next week peace out for now do you wanna say - peace out for now bye peace out for now guys see next