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welcome back to tech city and we've got that you show the tech lounge and i'm joined by kev from tech showdown how you doing man I'm doing great brown hair so really fantastic to be here today and I really fun to start this and you show with you I'm really looking forward to it well yeah a lot of people have been asking for a live tech show and I thought what better than to get the man from New Zealand he's got a Down Under he's technically down under yes and yes so basically guys this stream will be in 720p today because I've only got a look at what is it like 2 megabits per second uploads terrible but we can still get the stream done and I'll try and get it in 1080p now you know the funny thing is I'll streaming to twitch to do a test stream now I could actually stream to twitch 1080p at 20 frames per second with 2200 kilobits per second now that was a solid stream that was really good like that was good quality but youtube they only allow 30 frames per second or 60 frames per second so you're going to lose a little bit of quality there but why not we're going to work with that we're going to get around that and today topics topics topics topics we've got micron memory issue a lot of people wanted me to talk about the GTX 10 70s getting a quick switch and back you know bait and switch right there saying okay we're going to release these graphs cards with a with Samsung memory and then we're going to pull a little switcheroonie on you and put micron it and the problem is with the micron memory is I guess it's just not Bend as well as the Samsung stuff right it can't some of this memory is coming out on these graphs cards and it can't even run at a gigabits per second so just yeah so what we're seeing here is problems or I was a legit problems some people are getting artifacting and whatnot just out of the box settings right so it's just shocking hey like this this just seems for NVIDIA with their you know like the 970 issue you think they would have learned well or being more strict about it because they wouldn't want to have a repeat issue here now the 970 was very blatantly on NVIDIA so you can point the finger straight at them however with the tents M&E it seems more like it was the board partners rather than nvidia themselves listen these are exactly right i mean exactly that you can't really point the finger so much at them but it still just it's just Nvidia and memory type issues it's like it just keep it's like a meme that just keeps on giving just like can you guys just finally get it together because i haven't heard if I mean I can't even remember when AMD had a memory type issue with a graphics card even going back to well the older ones no I can't really remember um so but coming at video needle hand to a boy well with these grubs cards right they're allowed to change up the reference design spec we see them putting in different MOSFETs different chokes what not now memory i'm sure falls into that category right we've got now them using micron memory and this as we said before right that micro memory is just not as good as the samsung stuff so what we're seeing is gravis cars coming out and now the fix for it apparently there's the fix and that's a bios update itch which i mean i'm sure a little yet I mean a if you if you're the kind of guys got this gravis card and you're having problems what's gonna happen here oh yeah I like you probably don't even know how to do a vga bios update it's not easy stuff and updating that through windows of all things is risky in itself right so it is a little bit of a problem here and I mean yes and i'm going to say like you said before I it it's not really invidious fault this time around you can't really do okay nvidia did this no it's actually the lulu sauce that cheap micro memory it's that fall yeah it's a to be feared they could have I think um I mean it's hard to say I don't actually know how how it works on their end but maybe they could have told the board partners to you know maybe they'd been like very strict and said maybe sauce only from this company or something like that to maybe get around it but but honestly I don't think this was something they could foresee whereas the 970 the drama with the memory there was something that really they should have known about which is why a lot of people got very upset and it was the class action lawsuit and everything like that was because nvidia didn't know better and they stoped at it anyway yeah yeah well it's all about money at the end of the day right sir yeah well that was the thing it was a lot of people that the joke was you know then they had 3.5 gigs instead of forking swear technically that's not correct it was it was still a forged gravity are the 970 it was just that the last half a gig was at a lower memory speed than the other foot three and a half gigs which was at 7,000 and in the last three last half gig was at a lower speed so yeah that was basically where there was a bit of controversy but there was more in the marketing people getting upset because I was saying it was for gigs at 7,000 negatives when typically it was three and a half at 7,000 and then the last bit was a bit lower so and but I mean yeah it's not really on a video this time but I would it's just yeah it's not gonna do good for their reputation with memory type fishing yes yeah but like I said I'm what we're seeing here really it's kind of like it's kind of a face palm because it's always seems to be that value card that gets hit as well like the 970 now we got the 1070 which the 1070 is really good value for money if you can beat that thing out for 400 bucks sometimes even a little bit cheaper it does represent solid value for money and in itself that was a card that brought down the price of the 980 TI which is a behemoth right that card yeah is you know go on running right now man these things are legitimately big you know the slight you've just gone to the gym and pumped up your muscles that's what a 980 TI is like it's got the raw power there plus it doesn't use that new a memory compression which you know how far how many times can you compress the memory or but compress the picture before you start to see a reduced amount of detail so yeah yes sir yeah so the 1070 is a shame to see the 1030 now I didn't even know about this issue until people like just telling Brian what's up because my car's I got two gtx ten 70s here ah you know and they both got samsung memory on it so i didn't even know about this issue to begin with you know and i bought one of them one of them to review sample that's this one the msi wanted not really nice card and same with the the one the my hybrid sis gigabyte one that i've gotten the mini ITX rig that is it is it is its if or is it it's if mates if ya like i just can't say sighs it'sit's to annoy you it's too troublesome yeah because i saw a lot of people were a little bit upset with the print that you pronouncing it that way in a lot of people get are you doing to get a bit of a rise out of ya i just thought i just say it's AI always have it like just like a I just one of those bad habits so just don't kick you know so yeah you know it's like I used to say sly a lot you know it's just easier to say yeah and why I copped actually a cop way more hate for saying a slide than ever for sis cuz I guess people like sis so I guess yeah people like this people don't like being sly so so so we've yeah with this memory issue here we got the fixes out so the they're addressing this memory issue with the 1070 cards and they're applying vga BIOS updates which as I said before is you know it's never a guaranteed fix right it's risky people could update these things in while they're updating for any you know weird reason the power cuts off or whatever bang cards Britain you know in a lot of these models arguably a lot of these models don't have the dual BIOS to like that I guess they're putting the micron memory on the cheaper cards yeah yeah yeah so I mean we should say as well that this isn't all 10 70s by the way it's only a certain of the UM bullet partners yeah I believe dare I say it seems to be affecting Europe Europe like a lot of people message me from Europe like saying oh man in a 1070 it's got micron memory you know k is I mean I haven't yeah like I said I was oblivious to this before the last week where it came up and it's coming out of the woodworks so yeah if you've got one of these cards with micron memory now the solution is to just download gpu-z and you can actually check within that so you can just check with that program you don't have to pull your graphics card apart just yet now check with TV you see if it's got micron memory then you may wish to go to your manufacturer's website get the bios update I'll put some links in the description below for you guys and um you know you guys can check it out if you got updated buys but apparently EVGA game would and PAL a little parlay palette how do you say how do you say that one I I don't know I've never actually tested one of those GPU so I have absolutely no idea i guess it's palais it's gonna be the highlight it's gonna be but he'll it's a little bit it has to be but I yet it's quite interesting because um gigabyte has actually released the 10 70s with both types of memory but they're saying they haven't had any complaints of issues so gigabyte doesn't actually have an update yet yeah so that's quite interesting also that the EVGA and the other companies are getting onto it with gigabytes actually sort of taking a step back and being like hey we don't actually think there's an issue here so you ever was interesting to see what comes of that yeah so it is interesting I mean is that the actual memory just can't run at the rated a key bits per second some of it you know that's the I guess that's the biggest question out there at the moment because i know it some people complaining all doesn't overclock at all like I'm getting like this and that out of my micron memory so I guess it's just not been as well maybe it's 7.8 gigabits per second memory so you get the blast fix and you're like hey I lost some performance awesome yeah yeah so that's what that's it that's an interesting thing in one of the comments on one of the articles was saying that and I don't know how true this is but it could be true is there saying that Nvidia does this by running bitter memory samsung memory on the launch cards say the founders and stuff like that so then you know when reviewers get them they ever taught them they tell them how good it is and then as the cards go along and their lifespan they tend to downgrade not downgrade might be too harsh or work I'll say change you gotta say revised that's the word revise revise their being pc ah they revise it as it goes along and well maybe not in video this time but the board partners and and so as it goes a lot hoping no one would notice maybe that's that may not be true at all but I'm just putting out there as a hypothetical so you know dvj you can calm down it's it's just a hypothetical thing that they could be doing na it has happened before with other products I've seen and since I started doing tech reviews I've seen companies you know downgrade uh well they I think that because one well I think the biggest one was the be 85 s from gigabyte where they actually downgraded the vrm and they call it a revision now that's not a revision that should be a completely new model of motherboard because people are now like I reviewed the motherboard I bought one off the shelves too i bought a BF i was like hey this thing's really good with the pentium geeth you know 3258 it overclocks well it's a pretty solid combo then people are messaging me like dude they've downgraded the V RMS it's terrible i could somebody with you could actually use that be 85 the original version 1.0 you could use that with an i7 or a knife you could actually overclock those really yeah you could overclock the bigger for cause and then when that revision came out it was like fat like over loving the four cores you know you you even like even on stock settings out of the box you were getting thermal throttling on the cpu so there's something of the vrm does something like that you're getting like the actual throttling out of the box without even overclocking so it was a major downgrade to the vrm that not to say downgrades or whatnot this is a big issue as well the EVGA for the wind I think it's a 1070 and the 1080 not just the 1070 both guards have been affected by this now yeah I was looking around everywhere and I couldn't get a photo of this plate here being lifted off because apparently it's got to do with the thermal pads not touching the plate but no that's not true that actually is thermal pads under there those MOSFETs are actually touching that plate the problem is is that they can't breathe there is like a sarcophagus for the V around now I literally like I did it it was I think this Tom's article it's I know it's in German maybe it's not i don't know it's in another language and there's a really good article because they're looking at the they got the temp sensors out and they're looking and see how hot the vrm gets like a hundred and seven degrees when the torture test yes so beta the GPUs sitting at 76 degrees but the vrm is going all the way to 107 degrees now that is insane like it's yeah you know like no wonder people are having these cards blow out on them because you know you VRMs generally aren't designed to run at 177 degrees for just hours on end yeah yeah something's gonna give and especially in a 30 degree environment what if you're in a 35 degree environment cheese you know there's a ya know it's not ideal and I mean this is and it's so so I I have two questions at vs how did this get you know past basically when they were doing testing that and you would think they would have picked something like this up and what you would hope so the other question is whenever it came when I first saw the first EVGA FTW card I always wondered you know when did I know they they brand it is for the wind but of course there's the other meaning and at the time that's what i thought it was and I was pretty shocked to like see that on you know the graphics guy well they might have to channel that I might have to change it to an L for the last ah the FTL but yeah sir this is 1080 here it's going 170 grees now we contrast that to what we've got here there's another article they've got the Hall of Fame for instance now that's via that vrm in the same test at 75 degrees so you can see there that's like 32 degrees difference on the vrm yeah yeah you know even the mini I think even the gigabyte many or something like that was going to a 97 so you can see you can see there's that unhealthy buffer there on the obj uh you know model and so it's got to do with you know I'd sure if you took that plate off and drilled a few holes in it and let the VR and breathe a little bit it might be okay you know yes I don't know what going maybe they use lower quality MOSFETs I haven't done the sit sit there on that theorem but it's just getting too hot 107 degrees is way too hot so yeah it's it's it's just it's quite funny because it actually reminds me cussing back in terms of another mess up not by EVGA but by hey Zeus back when the 200 series am be 200 series large the 290 and 290x and what they did were there I direct si tu culo was they lifted it straight off you might remember back to this they lifted it straight off the 780 which was a much different ship you know in terms of the die design um and they chucked it straight on the 290x and the problem was is that the heat pipes they had I think I believe five heat pipes running through and the because the hawaii GPU and the 290 and 290x were smaller it was only touching the middle three heat pipes and the two outside heat pipes just went completely by without touching anything and so people getting these horrendous temps with it like it you know remember the reference 290 and 290x were like a hair dryer and headed you know that the reference cooler was just not up the job would run up to 95 degrees yeah yeah and I see a membrane DC law is perfectly fine did you pee LOL a classic or easier it's it's it's fine and technically it was because I ran a reference to 90 for like six months and the guy I bought it off use it for Bitcoin mining and and they'd say it was a slight max the whole time so and it went fine I mean there was probably the most reliable graphs gotta ever owned but the problem was is that the thermal throttling was real and the asus card they sit in their marketing that it had a lower temps and when I tested it it actually was just the same as reference um pretty much no difference it went up to 94 95 degrees so that's the only time I can remember back to the company just messing up maybe on testing or not really testing the card thoroughly enough to figure these things out although in that case it should have been more obvious than with this but they still EVGA should have picked us up this oh yeah there's no real excuse me another thing I've been doing lately is I've been you know using a lot of after my calls on my gpu's and I'm gonna keep doing it the results are phenomenal yeah like the overclocks before I put the aftermarket coolers on and then after it's just nine day like the overall so much better know that you've got those heat sinks you have these little one dollar heat sinks from ebay and you know they're directly touching the circuits rather than using a thermal pad now thermal pads are pretty bad this is like just no in fact you know thermal pads are just not as good as having direct metal contacting whatever your cooling yet so yeah notice my you know everything's just been running amazingly well when I especially this big arctic cooler I've got here on the 980 TI this thing just doesn't even poke over 50 degrees now I've got this little gold heat sinks on the memory the memory just overclocks like huge I'm gonna go for 50 on the memory or something like that and it's just yeah it's a night and day difference so I mean obviously the board partners aren't going to do that because you know in shipping they'll have all their little heat sinks falling off the chips but yeah it's something to think about if you're an enthusiast and you know you want your card to last for a long time especially the way they're pushing graphics cards nowadays because back in the day you just never used to even have heat sinks on memory or vrm it was just like a little law slapped on the die and that was it yeah yeah so now that they're pushing so much power through these gravis cars it's like you're running into problems like this so yeah yeah so I just want to address a comments on was saying is the business for Apple 10 70s it's depending on the board partner so some companies are using both such as gigabyte go ahead use micron and Samsung so as Brian said before you can go into GPU see which is a good little utility to use anyways and it's good for keeping an eye on things then you can check it out there and but it's maybe not going to be an issue for everybody out there that's what gigabytes saying they haven't had any complaints so far so this will just be something to see where it goes i suppose so be interesting it like i'd love to get my hands on one of these for the winds and really just you know drill holes in that play like see what you could do to drop the vrm temps because i do have a thermal done even though it's not as good as thermal imaging still have a thermal gun you can still you know get some statistics there so yeah interesting interesting in nintendo switch we're gonna switch the topic we're gonna switch to the nintendo switch now when i first saw the ad i thought the ad was over the top it was like come on you know they go like people all just like slightly just had a shower and they're ready to go hit the town and it's not actually i'm not gonna go out I'm not gonna go I just gonna play with my Nintendo switch yeah I thought is just overdone you know like it was just way too much and then we're starting to see the specs now apparently this thing's going to be weaker than a playstation 4 and yeah and I mean that's something that has been the trend with Nintendo for a while I remember people were saying similar things when the we came out and Nintendo has never been about having the most powerful console compared to Microsoft and Sony it's been more about coming up with new ways to enjoy the games which was very evident with the way when that came out how that basically one that generation in terms of amount of a console sold so yeah it'll be it be interesting in that sense but with the screen being 720p so it's a 6.2 inch 720p multi-touch screen I'm I think a lot of people actually a little bit disappointed in that because even now some people get disappointed when newer smartphones are featuring 1080p screens everyone saying oh it should be 1440p at least on the high end ones so to go down to 720p it's this this you know they probably have a good reason for it battery life I'm imagining is going to be one of the main things they would have been going for but so if I say is three years still after what is it three years after these consoles are released now you know it does not gonna have more power that's a big concern it's it's also gonna run on you know a RM RM CPU now interesting because is means the game's gonna have a hard time being ported to this console because yeah it's gonna be a lot of triple-a titles out there and so I'm very curious to see how this thing's going to sell now as always Nintendo have to well they should have learned by now the titles are everything if they want to sell the console they have to have hard-hitting exclusives Zelda being one of those you know they didn't hit the way you would Zelda like it was just like where's when Zelda coming you know so I didn't even have a reason to buy a nintendo wii u like there was just no reason at all and you know my friend brought it around and it was cool is like a little party trick console but besides that it wasn't that was it yeah this is definitely that side of it i think in terms of sales it will sell extremely well in japan just like always um the japanese really love nintendo so i think it would do very well there however outside of japan that'll be interesting I'm seeing from their advertisement they made it definitely looks like they're gonna try heavily market it to young adults but both genders and really try ahead at home as that Nintendo has always had the problem of being associated as sort of kids and console or you know the one made for children yep that they've been had a very hard time shaking a lot of that is self-imposed because a lot of the games they allowed for it in the early days where they would change to make them I'm thinking way back to the old consoles at the game the game is awesome though the thing was like the old days they were good but compared to the sega mega drive or genesis for people in north america that they would take the same game and then take out all the blood or take out all the gore and things like that to make it you know say good for the kids so I'm safer for the kids so they that sort of association as being you know for children has sort of carried on and that's something I think they need to try shake with the switch to get a bit of market share whereas the pit Playstations and xboxes have never had that problem being associated with that you know they've just been made sort of for everybody especially the PlayStation is always being there had that reputation as the the real game is tied one ever since the ps1 came out well that's what I mean I mean we're looking at this console right i mean if it's on android or whatever it is it going to be able to run android to like the native OS you know that's what i'm curious because i actually need a tablet so i'll just use mice which is a tablet if i get one that's one question that i need to be answered at the moment is it going to run like an android OS but same at the same time right people are gonna think well I've already got an awesome tablet what is this just a tablet with the joystick and some exclusive titles that cost you know quite a lot of money so yeah that's a concern as well or is it just the PSP with a hdmi out you know so there's a lot of concerns there I mean Nintendo you know with the 64 they did hit hard with some good launch titles oh yeah you know I'd like to see that again but the same time man yeah all deny that came up whoa man ripple sir the industry yeah that was it was insane oh so good fit then at the same time you had the 64 sales it kind of went down in PlayStation people started to go back to PlayStation because they just kept having the titles coming out like hit after hit and so you know even though it was a less powerful you know console it had the titles and so I guess Nintendo have to realize that you know they can have all the fancy marketing they want they can have these ads where you've got these pop culture you know guys who instead of hitting out you know going out on the town drinking with their friends they're just going to stay home and play with this switch you know they can have that mole advertising thing hidden going out there hard but if they don't have the titles yeah it's not going to hit I mean that that's that's exactly a in this the main thing I think that held back the Nintendo 64 is the fact that PlayStation had already gone to using cds which was back then you know considered quite a jumper whereas the 64 story using cartridges which a lot of people associated with being bold you know and CD to let the new thing so yeah I think it struggled maybe slightly there as well but it definitely did have on some fantastic games so yeah so the big question is are you gonna buy one of these things huh I don't know I mean the thing is I'd rather wait that the whole thing that they put out was very looks like the advertisement was very specific scenarios for um for using it in and i think i like to wait until i see videos of people actually using it it's a good tape because i think the the whole mobile gaming industry in terms of the nintendo ds's and the sony PS PS i think that is actually coming to sort of like a close and this is Nintendo's way of trying to bridge that gap and because mobile gaming now I mean why really would the lot of people don't see the point in getting something like a PSP when you can just play games on your smartphone exert it really have just one device so I see it as Nintendo trying to maybe bridge that gap um you know to try and maybe make up a new market better if like so like a portal yeah but i think i'm worried if there's no bridge to you know no one wants to cross the realm wants to be on the bridge you know this thing so yeah so that's what we will find out yeah they are they're taking their two monitors here I've got my hardcore gaming system I got my smartphone my smartphone just sits there and the user for like Twitter and taking some photos and whatever when I'm out about I don't play games on it so I think you're rather you know I don't know is there anyone out there who is a hard core tech enthusiasts who plays like hardcore PC games and then they play hardcore like Tabler they they're like on their tablet but I'd love to see you in the comments like say I'm a switcher so maybe didn't intend Oh switch will be for you you know I want to find this person because yeah just I don't really see like I don't know that's why I guess investors are really concerned about what they're doing with the switch you know I wanted to see a hard-hitting console I wanted to see something that was more powerful than the ps4 something that was more powerful than the xbox one and then they had these amazing titles coming out you're like oh my god and you know funny things about the news elder as well like people are fanboying the out of it like absolutely fanboying the out of it like you know my friend he's a big zelda fan he's like oh man I love this news i was gonna be so good it's like a contrast in between the animated and the polygon you know Zelda I'm like and for me I love the polygon aided Zelda that's my favorite I I was not a fan of the animated at all so I was like get that animated crap out of my zelda so I'm kind of on the fence with this new Zelda yeah yeah we're very interesting to see ya so amazed yeah that's just opinions so yeah I'm kind of worried anyway but Nintendo switched let me know in the comments guys what are you getting one I'm on the fence i'm going to be waiting to see the reviews of the new zelda before i do buy one if it's out of the if it's out of this world good then yeah I probably get in switch but if it's like a mediocre Zelda I'll be like an forget about the switch Zelda's my selling point that's for me at the moment so we got Cabul a cabbie lake and use here we go so cabbie lake is hitting laptops and now we've got more in depth on this slide here so we're looking at twelve percent right when they do the 7th gen graphs now they're actually giving us a bit more info I think so we've got an i7 6500 you compared to the i7 7500 you now we're sitting up to 3.1 gigahertz then we're seeing up to 3.5 gigahertz on the i7 7500 you so is that where the productivity is coming from the increased productivity because I hope not because that means we're not getting really any IPC gains here with cavy lake right even though it's the last year and even though it's the laptop variants and whatnot it still gives cause for concern I mean this is something that no one should be surprised about by the fact that Intel almost has like a monopoly right now I say almost because aim d is hanging on by their fingertips especially in the mobile area um but but on the desktop as well I mean so few people actually run md cpus anymore a lot of people still run the AP use but um yeah that it's just I just wish there was a bit more competition that it would help bring down the prices because I think a lot of the Intel CPUs especially on the desktops I think they're been creaming it for quite a while now and they'd really well I moved like I'm running a 58 20k I've got a 6800 k just sitting there like my 50 a 20k overclocks a little bit better than CC 800 k now 50 a 20k was released new was a couple of years ago when was it yeah yeah no that was the CPU to get if you're still on a 58 20k that bad boy is just hitting so hard was the 300 old cpu six cores 12 threads overclocks like the clap is it's pretty good you know that's the CPU to get and I think I'd exact anywhere that was just awesome if you'll buying you a new cpu new mobo and you can pick up some of those x99 boards for pretty cheap you know cheap enough you can probably pick him up around one hundred fifty dollars if you look around so you know that was my pick the 58 20k was my pick it's an amazing CPU I love it I think that's the Super you to get and then of course if you're on a budget you go with those old-school fork or a threaded Zeon's or even the six core 12 threaded you know 56 70s or whatever yeah it's amazing pics on the Intel side and I think that's why there's I mean I'm gonna say like you know AMD doesn't have much of a you know advantage got like even the old 5670 it beats out the you know 8350 by a long shot in pretty much we think you know yeah so that's it and that's kind of like the worry out there at the moment aimed he has to get Zen out and they have to get it out soon so I mean I guess yeah well I mean with Cabul a gravel I guess we'll move on from cabbie legals it was was there got some hardware decoding as well which anyone who you know is into video editing and whatnot or decoding probably have their own dedicated stuff any weapon day you can do it on a laptop you can decode 4k video on a laptop if that's your thing that's with the heavy lake yeah so we got here we'll move on to them because this is kind of a little bit more worrying because we'll expect to see at quarter one 2017 now we look at these statement here from Lisa soo and she's like okay well it's coming out but then the high-end motherboards and summit ridge cpus are expected to be a little later that's what worries me yeah I mean it's going to be the main thing I think a lot of people are looking forward to aim defense on with Zen is more the chipset upgrades going to the am for platform um but at the same time yeah having a lot of people I talked to in the industry are pretty concerned about Zen in terms of how it's actually going to do with them coming out to that's my big lens is coming out yeah as that as well but but I think I I'd rather them take a bit longer maybe delay it and make sure everything's really good then release it too quickly and have run into some kind of problems because hanged he just really that would be so sad for the to happen to them so I would really really like to see AMD really hit it out of the park was in and go until a big kick up the backside because they really do need it because until it's but just being on cruise control as far as their desktop CPUs for quite a while now well yeah I mean there's that there's that mmm but at the same time I will still want to see an engineering sample like a cherry picked engineering sample I just want to see some benchmarks I just want to see something yeah because here I am you know you're there you're just sitting there on your own i'm sitting in do but everyone's just waiting for then it's like okay one of the benchmarks coming out what's going to be like in games what's it going to be like in you know Cinebench r15 you know these benchmarks that really just see that how good the CPU can perform you know for us real world enthusiasts that's what we want want to see that yeah and that the the thing I found troubling was that they did show some of the performance out of their eight core 16 thread ship they put it up against a intel 6900 k I believe and I you know showed that it was did quite well against that the difference was as they set the clocks speak for both of them at three gigahertz which I have a funny feeling is going to be maybe kind of on the upper end for that aim the ECP you where that's actually an under clot 6900 k and we get we so yeah most most 6900 case will be hover around the 4 gigahertz mac and with overclocking like my 1 i've got a 4.2 so I that's what I was concerned about because we've seen this before from Ames II where they'll do very specific um testing you know the show next nice slides yeah I'm thinking about the 480 and showing it in very very good light and then when independent reviewers have done similar testing they haven't had the same experience invidious done this as well but to mean everyone said oh yeah everyone's guilty up but at the same time it AMD have been I'd say the most guilty of doing that where they're hyping up products before release in-house benchmarks and then it gets out there and it's like oh okay this is not as good as I thought it would be you know there was that does that does that have a benchmark to when they were hyping up this was like way before the RX 480 was released they had it like comparing it to a 750 ti or something wrong what was it again they're like oh low power consumption but then the demo that they were showing didn't even have the same effects happening and it was like how could you even let you don't compare something to something and then have like an apples to orange camaro szon you know I thought that was yeah exactly yeah no no there's been a lot of that we if you remember back to everyone go crazy when nvidia first showed off the gtx 1080 and at that show and everyone was going like wow it's overclocked to like 2000 like 100 megahertz or something and it was only running it like 60 degrees celsius and all that and yeah and then no one realized that it was you know they had it you know basically like in an ice cooler pretty much with a fan at one hundred percent so they all the companies they do this to a certain degree that's why I tell you guys always just take this sort of stuff with a grain of salt because just our own man just like a show i'm a big believer in just putting things out there in the wild just release it yes it's like this shows like now we're just gonna release this all the sudden is who's gonna hit the channel i just love that you know i don't want to hear any more hype i just want to see the product out there in the wild so yeah that's what Zen I you know it's delayed now quarter one might not even be a realistic expectation quarter to maybe when you start seeing tea enthusiasts stuff coming out which is yeah that's now it's like okay what's another six months now you know is it's just keeps dragging on and on and on yeah yeah ok so anyway let's let's cheer up let's get someone to some good news here that'll cheer us up vessel is closing down oh boy yeah so this is actually quite I got the email the other day as I was on vessel and basically all it said was there was a very short email as well basically said vessels closing down um any deal basically we've made with you is now Boyd and it's all over and you know basically GG so I was quite surprised and that yeah all of a sudden sort of way a little bit you actually yes you got an email I just lated my account I ragequit vessel like after I die they'll die Cartman you got to come to vessel you've got to come you've got to like upload content stuff like that so here I am like spending all these extra time working on the vessel channel and then I look at my videos like two likes you know 10 views it's like why would you didn't get high a nose was it was a very small audience of seeing I think my best video I had on there one of my yep showdowns one of my 1070 showdown or something I think that was the best video ever got on there got like maybe 250 views oh and I was like wow there must have gone on the front page because what other one's got like only like 30 or 40 views so um yeah it was very disappointing considering how they hyped it up to me in terms of um just in every way they really really hyped it up and then you know for it to harden I they took it in a strange direction i think it was good at it in when it first started but i think it sort of rolled a bit downhill as it went along and a lot of creators got quite a frustrated with it with the company for that reason the platform itself was quite decent in terms of uploading videos and everything else like that it was actually quite nice but it was a nice platform it was but the problem is i think the smaller channels like you and I and a lot of other channels that weren't went to vessel to sort of support it they just treated us like crap like I remember my channel is just like buried right down the very bottom of vessel is like you have to switch it up you know at least YouTube does give us channels love from time to time some of our videos will get featured on the front page this and that you know but for vessel is just like okay this is just an avenue for you know big channels to get extra money and sort of bridge people over from youtube I mean if vessel really wanted to succeed they have to have exclusive content not release it a week later because people were just like okay well you know I'll just watch it a week later on YouTube for free yeah so they really had to just say no this is content that you're only going to see on vessel and I actually had to pull people away from a bit and of course I mean I don't know it was just yeah like from the very beginning I had this eerie feeling about it was going to fail it just did work yeah I mean it was it was alright when it was going but I think the other thing was that a lot of times um with YouTube videos is that you'll get someone will search something on Google and then your video will come up in the look up I don't know they look up 1070 review some or something else and then they'll find your video and thus your channel from that but that was just never the case were vessel it was never up there so you idea this barrier 200 views gets you weren't you ain't getting many views on it so I think it was just something that happened that yeah what's going to happen eventually yeah five cents yeah all that time that's like me I in the end I just rage quit I just like you just there's no point like you know we could we don't get taken care of the small channel so on that news we do have vine is shutting down to Twitter's vine which kind of like this is more relevant though I think vine is this kind of more sad a news because people actually use vine like I remember those really popular vine videos going out there some of them were quite funny I used to laugh at some of them you know ya know exactly I think this one is sort of upset a lot of people vine definitely sort of had like its own community had a lot of people using the platform it was very popular it through the Twitter integration that really sort of but before that it it was starting game popularity but as soon as that happen it just went crazy well the vine add those men the vine cat videos Iceland yeah and then the lot of things like that so that did very very well so it's a quite sad although what I what I would assume a lot of your favorite and creators over on client will do is I'll probably compile all their videos together and then upload them on YouTube all they would do it individually below that would be no problem facebook i mean i think you got to hit although just put on facebook or something like that right so i think if you think they're just going to go away completely they weren't but they're not going anywhere I think it is yeah I'd imagine they with their still keep going but yeah it's it's still quite said it's it's kind of funny you know with vine and this was going down at the same time what my noticing twitter twitter now has updated their platform so that you don't get people's names included in the character limit now so you know when you're late replying to a lot of people and then you've only like five letters now that's the other way you get 160 you or not now so it's good yeah they updated twitter for the better so I mean I love Twitter hopefully Twitter doesn't go on door so I don't think then laughing was not apparent that is not that profitable so that's kind of a concern you know when things aren't profitable they just get sold off and dumped and whatnot so that's sad to see fine going I mean yeah vessel it has no bearing whatsoever in my life so I mean if no I don't think people will be this the vessels going on because I mean pretty much every creator that had a vessel account also had a YouTube so yeah as wine that's that's going to be lesser of the case i would assume but yeah so so quite sad but you'll still be able to find your favorite um people from vine growing up well pop up somewhere yeah there'll be something kid take care of you cat lovers out there like myself our final fantasy 15 Final Fantasy 15 release dates so we're good looking at end of november for the consoles i think it is and pc is going to be followed after that now I when I was there I spoke to the developers like a pax you know that were pretty confident that pc is coming soon after consoles so it's not gonna be like you're gonna wait another year or something it should be a few months hopefully so i just i guess they're not confirming anything because you know you seen the cycle with these popular console games they want to sell them on the consoles because it's easy money and then when they hit the pcs is caught it's kind of more competition people just don't a go and spend i want to look for the best deal on these games you know wait for it to come down to 60 fifty dollars so i think they kind of want to milk the console sales if anything you look at GTA 5 whatever any other game you know you've wanted milk console sales as a business i think that's a natural given now the problem is is that you know when's it coming on pc people want to release date and so when I spoke to them at PAX it was like they were going to delay it a little bit then I think that one like hinting of a delay then and you know there's probably some big bugs that they've got to fix so if they don't fix the bugs you know you can have a problem so I'd rather than they do delay it fix the bugs and then get it out of PC as well so yeah I'm looking forward to this it was really fun like I played the first whatever 20 minutes of it was it was good you know they've got a new combat system it's looking good the graphics are good it's going to hit hard it's going to be an awesome game it's probably the final fantasy game that you've been waiting for if you're a final fantasy fan especially if you love the RPG element of the single player this is going to be the one for you yeah yeah now that we really good for the fence now i'm sure a lot of people can really yeah i like it No so we've got that Final Fantasy 15 and then we got red dead redemption making its way onto the news here so red red redemption to and will there be a pc version available this has been causing waves something I wanted to talk about to but does look I loved GTA 5 men like in ways you know it's like okay they did make their money off the consoles and whatnot but they released a top-tier title on the pc i absolutely loved it playing that game of 4k with some headphones they're out there she had the V motors on and it was just it was gold and the sound the music the story the gameplay everything was just on point with GTA 5 so it was like rockstar take however long you want to take to release an awesome game that's just my opinion on this matter like I mean but there is there is because there's concern they write red dead redemption Juan did not come out on pc officially maybe I think you can do simulation crap and get a working but you know number two might not hit it as well I think that's a big possibility that it upset a lot of people if they did that yeah I mean yes and no I mean yeah it will set a lot of people especially off the GTA 5 it was like wow you guys are making games this good we want another fix right in red dead redemption to I'm sure will be that fix yeah you know then GTA 6 off though yeah you know like the possibilities are endless but yeah I think people want to see this hit PC because of how good GTA 5 was I mean me too I definitely I definitely want to see this thing hit pc now so I want another ax I want another rock star fix you know give me that fix that's me they've done a good job I mean like the jumps between every GTA game have been very impressive you know each game has been significantly better than the previous ones so that's arguable you I think I bt5 was the best but you know I would have preferred like san andreas 24 like I thought for wasn't that big of a deal so they thought it was a huge I've like tall um yeah but like you say that without upgrading I kind of I thought that disagree like I thought you know then oh yeah I five just blew everything out of the water that's you know yeah yeah that did yeah that was really really good so I think looking back at the more classic GTA games i would probably say vice city was my baby i really enjoyed by city especially the vice city radio was probably the funniest of all them it just had so much so many funny things on the Vice City Public Radio thing so whereas he did get that on GTA four or five but vice city was definitely the funniest but there was a good game i really enjoyed playing out vice city a lot i had a lot of fun that game plus i played it on PSP of all things so that was quite good also well the comments the comments people in the comments that say in gta4 yeah well sport a game ever liked it dislike so i kind of i could agree i didn't really enjoy gta4 that much i didn't even finish it so really i thought was I really like to but GTA 5 ways way we've been is that that was just tremendous yeah guys so that's about it for the topics we are round winding this bad boy up um yeah so that was the first we had to talk about some of these things I mean especially the gtx 1070 and then for the win addition and whatnot there's a lot of people who wanted us to talk about these topics so this is the tech lounge and I hope you guys enjoyed this first part but we're gonna go to the comments will go to the comments like a good 10 minutes and some of your questions so start rolling in the QA and hopefully you guys got some questions for keV you know kevs been excited to do this show you know when I busted up with Joker you know I messaged around I was looking for a new life show 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videos so if you're someone who really really likes a GPU videos and definitely check out my channel also I do a lot of comparisons between models of GPU soul do 1070 versus 1070 and maybe we'll look at the gigabyte and the thesis or something like that and so I've done that quite a bit as well with Church be around people quite like yeah so see ya it's gonna cook it well there will hit the clinic now so we will hit the comments and see what's cracking up and so yeah how does a multi-monitor setup affect demands of a GPU it depends if you're running all those games on the Montana business yeah so if you've only got one might if you got three monitors and just one of those is running the game's not really gonna do anything if you've got of course you know i think it's the tula if you've got a triple setup and you're running all games on it isn't it like sixty-six percent of the power on the second like they don't run a hundred percent like they're kind of warping out yeah yeah so it's not actually like you can expect it to be like 2.3 times the power required what am I know that's off the top mad because I don't run triple triple monitor setups I've never really been interested in it for me just one big ass 27 inch monitor right in front of me is so good so yeah I found that that just a just I found this coming on your channel Brian off I'll send it through to you yeah maybe you read it out for further very run watching I think this person was quite offended by one of your you know you can just read it out you just read it you do the honors you do the I I think I think you've got that radio voice going on man I think I think it would cross Scott good okay well i'm just going to be putting you up like hold on so this offends me as a vegan transgender hips the Native American indo-chinese hybrid alien agnostic atheist German engineer who vapes fair trade organic decaffeinated compressed and hydrated extra protein C breast milk on the regular and does Hindi kamasutra 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other favorite city in australia Oh debate yeah GTX 1070 will it work with an i5 6400 I mean it work fine it's just some games you will like you play GTA 5 with that I'd say you would be getting cpu-bound I mean 10 7 is a very powerful card I 56 400 what is it clock up to in games like three point units yeah it's not it's not the highest clock yes doesn't view upper but it should be fine I mean a lot of these people that ask about CP bottle making and stuff I i wish the there should be more people covering it actually article views out there talking more videos on it because it is actually something and yet that doesn't get covered as much as it should but yeah I would imagine it would be just fine for a majority especially if you're feeling sort of 1080p stuff we got our side Brian what do you think of the lower wattage for 80s that have been found in the wild i mean j su since had an RX for idea that uses 50 watt less than stock I mean Jay gets sent a lot of I would say golden apples and he knows that he knows that he actually mentions it is a lot of his videos too there's you know these are golden samples I mean getting one of those in the wild like I've had to RS 4 80's now they don't even go anywhere near I think it's like 1370 well something around that level you know and then yeah apparently lately though the word on the street is the RX 480 is coming out like fresh right now are easily hitting over 1.4 gigahertz that's the word on the street so if someone's bought a retail sample recently and the batch number is like the latest let me know how o'clock I'd love to hear that you know cuz ya i mean it's common practice for yes it is common practice now for a tech review to get sent a golden sample GPU yeah you know so and if they come and honestly if the company wasn't doing it you'd kind of be like you would look at it and say well what are you doing you know what i mean you know you want to represent your best product so get a business standpoint it makes sense to send out golden samples so yeah yeah there's a there's a reason for it so someone's given some was going to cherry pick me yeah will this be a consistent show weekly yeah yeah that's we're playing on it yes so that's going to be so to me that this time so if you're in new zealand it will be twelve o'clock if it's if you're in australia it will be nine a.m. if you're on the east coast of the USA it's seven o'clock and if you're on the west coast it's four o'clock if you're in the UK will be like midnight I believe yeah we figured this would be like kinda the best time would hit anyone without conflicting with other tech tech channels and whatnot what they're doing so you know plus you know it's it's a good time like monday it's a good way to start the week with a live show I think that's awesome yeah yeah yeah anyway guys look if that's about it we're gonna wrap this showdown for the first time so big thumbs up for the Tech lounge I hope you guys enjoyed it we got the new 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want to do Z on Turk Wendell wants the doozy on talk don't worry want to give that to you guys as soon as possible but yeah you guys in the standing a lot of people talking about Trump in the comments to yeah like um oh man I just like I gotta say man I gotta say on that all's we hear about like it's actually on the Australian used now all's we're hearing about Trump's said this Trump said that I'm getting sick of it like you know okay Trump's choice I mean Trump's done some shady but look at what Hilary's done to like yeah does why is not not online news i think i saw a tape the other day of her like openly saying rigged this election in Palestine or something like I was like how does this not make it on the news like that since the scare this there's a lot o I think it's sort of crazy right now in the world on with all the things I mean Ozzy says its fair share our sort of funny business as well been going on but I mean down here in good old New Zealand we're being the bastion of stability having the same Prime Minister for nine years and you'll probably do another three so yeah and you know that's where I think most Kiwis down here just like all thank goodness credibility is so good exactly right i mean a Japan's a shipwreck man you look at their politics do the change of presidents let you change underwear do it is it's so bad like yeah you know they've got no idea what they're doing for politics in Japan so if you thought America was bad go take a look at Japan I think it's the worst in the world the politics is they don't do anything they just rip up the same patch of Road every year make it look like they're doing something like literally that's what they do yeah I noticed when I was in Japan they got so many public workers like but there's no open it amount don't do anything I mean they will make fun of road workers here you'll understand oh we need 30 guys to do a job that only 10 guys could doing to a certain degree they are somewhat correct but they but it's nowhere near on the scale of Japan I saw so many people just working jobs that just didn't really I think it's to keep their unemployment rate very very low so it looks really good I don't actually low right yeah it's they've just they're just putting people in positions that they could basically they could cut a lot of the fat there and it with best yeah I'm pretty sure you've got a guy who watches people taking a smoke break like I saw that guy is just like sitting there like you having a smoker you know I still turn up your tent and he's getting paid for it I'm like yeah yeah so this this there's a bit like that but um yeah to be interesting but I mean hopefully I mean what's your selections and why the living day so but after that you guys should know it'll probably calm down a lot over the next few months and then probably you know in about six months time no one will be talking about it much I mean there's more sort of drama going on but it's definitely been a crazy time 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