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welcome back to episode 15 of the tech lounge and I'm joined here by kev from text showdown how you doing man so in great Brian how I hear ya doing really well get back into the groove the weather is sub 30 degrees at the moment so I can finally work again and you've probably seen that on the channel it's been a quite a bit of content coming out lately so it's going to be more to come to execute man it's just like you need like a whereas start wearing a jacket now yeah pleading under that 30 degrees you know she sent got so Tom anania wear my hoodie well according to according to rumors I might have to go get an AMD jacket which rumors are those well the 1600 X so we'll talk about that really soon put our hair pull it up here this is the biggest piece of news with heard yet most solid piece of news is is Cinebench r15 school everyone's been looking out for this because it shows that max potential of the CP year right on all threads loaded up yet to the hill and we've got here eleven hundred and thirty six points ggf GG good game no reman yeah i mean if that's true right people are juicing over the six or twelve thread i myself am juicing over this as well this is the one that's going to hit hard apparently around about two hundred and twenty dollars for the entry level six core and that's going to be overclockable so we discuss it's lovely but this piece of news is huge i just did a video recently saying the IPC is going to be really damn good if that cinebench z-score is anything to go by so yeah yeah yeah that's going to be really good so taking in take you to that also build Unicron see that in the background there it is there what man nice okay the the one thing that's interesting from the from these benchmarks as you depend on multi what's up I'm to quickly turn it on okay the multi-threaded performance is very very good so that makes a lot of sense for activity uses people at me people like Brian and that that will require it what most of the gamers are looking for though it's a single threaded performance and that's where things are being slightly a bit more interesting oh wow it does look nice uh-huh that it runs not so sure about the single threaded performance but yet judging by the cinebench scores if they're to be believed that's an extremely good multi-threaded well I school the multi thread is going to be good and that's twelve threads so that's looking like it's comparable to a 6800 k already but that's looking like it's in the same sort of you know ballpark and the 6800 k is a really really good cpu like 58 20k was an orphan cpu that was kind of like the the person who wanted more than just the four core but still want it to be you know on a lot of budget that's still one of that value for money CPU play went with the 58 20k as opposed to the you know four chords or the a chord the a chords are too expensive so this is looking like the six chords just looking like it will be it for like almost everyone because yeah this is looking pretty good mean you're like pretty damn good I mean you won't need the eight cores but honestly if it's this damn good I might even switch over my main rig to the eight core 16 threats you know for rendering and whatnot this is looking really damn impressive been from that you can say that the single threaded performance again it's looking like maybe it'll be broad well II performance which is it that impressive oh yeah exactly right yeah oh yeah all rumor mill I mean a lot of people are right but you have a wait until we see the actual real results coming out but I mean how like it doesn't look photoshopped it doesn't really look that doesn't look photoshopped I mean it could be for now you have to be really damn good at Photoshop iiii don't think it would be you know no i wouldn't see so I mean you you get but I think with this so many leaks now this just we've just had so many over and over and over and over and they all seem to be telling the same story no matter if it's a leak of the six core the eight core and the step story is that the multitrader performance is absolutely superb on rising the single threaded as i said is what's interesting because yeah there are quite a few people saying it's going to have I pc of around that's slightly better than Broadway Lee which would be in and of itself quite impressive but other people are saying it's not going to be anywhere near that good and then even we go there are some other people say it's going to be better than skylake so it's like Google when it comes to the single threaded stuff it's like who do you believe but that the multi-threaded stuff I think most of us can agree from what all these leaks we keep seeing that then you're going to be pretty multithread it's going to be very good which means for productivity stuff it's going to be superb and it's going to really nail Intel at the other people that want to get a pc for productivity but they don't want to spend as much money especially for say graphic design business or a video editing sort of place where they can see like hey why pay all this money for a Broadway lead ship like a 6900 k or something at 6,800 k when we can spend much less and say they bit me are buying for like 5 pcs on these rise and CPUs arm and it will save us a lot of money so i think that side of it there's something being overlooked because everyone just keeps looking at it purely from the gaming point of view whereas a lot of these comparisons are too broad well II CPUs and broad well II was never made to be prostrate gaming that's what the normal core lineup is for so that that is a means of interesting six calls is kind of for me it's becoming the new norm but yeah then again I do a lot more than I guess the average person would do but six cores and 12 thread is what I need it's got that same IBC as broad wellies and damn you know it's pretty much the same as the 6800 k but then you've got the ache or six names rate coming out which is going to be absolutely huge I mean the dual channel thing as Wendell explained before on the show is for consumers like even people doing workstation style things dual channel is going to be more than enough but I did hear a rumor about the memory controller being slightly behind so even though the IPC gains a good and whatnot the memory controllers apparently is laggy so that's one thing I'm coming out I mean you won't be you won't be able to see for sure until we get the chips and through the full range of benchmarks through them but one thing's for sure it's looking like Jar Jar Binks has been helping out AMD team rat you know it's assists Lord that you never knew about and now he's coming in and he's been helping with things behind the scenes is that so that's exactly what even happening who jah jah your sister Lord has helped out is my sister War two but is your fifth Lord has been helping out behind the scenes at AMD and in making a difference I think that's the verdict that we're all getting out of this oh yeah but the other thing that was interesting in that article scrolling down a bit as they add the 3dmark fire strike who's school visit us go yeah and then the 1700 x said now granted that is OC so if you compare it to the 69 50x underneath that you might go well thats you know beating intel's top dog however look at the clock speed difference it's at yeah and I value megahertz are even though even so this is the school's the true that's really damn impressive you know 1600 x again that's a 6-quart three point three gigahertz I think mine at five point one gigahertz this is my 7700 k that scores around sixteen hundred and fifty i think it was so you know you're going to be able to overclock these but it looks as it 24 maybe 4.2 if you're lucky but forgive us is kind of looking like where these rising cpus will be sitting at of course those things mature that will get me even more clock speeds out of them but they have to reduce something to market but this is really good news and apparently the rising sea views are going to be out in the market and for the next three years so you can see that they're just going to say okay here's the same product that the clock speeds will just get better and better as time goes by so really impressive figures i think you know with this much with this much leaks coming out I think it's safe to say that this cpu is going to be impressive I think at the very least you know I think my yeah I definitely agree with that i think my prediction right now and I've thought about this a lot until will still retain they will still have the fastest single-threaded CPUs in regards to kb like the 7700 k giostra but i think by by a little bit not by a huge amount maybe by i don't want to give out numbers but i just think that they'll retain that spot so i think people will be able to argue back n tell fans will be able to say hey there silver top and that will be true in terms of single threaded performance which is technically what game is are going to want you're going to want that single threaded performance however and saying that as i said before this multi threaded performance is going to hit intel very hard with the gamers who do work take stuff at the same time and that's what that's the market broadway lee and has really hit very well was yeah the people like myself brian and there's plenty of other people it's not just text youtubers this heap soil appeal that wants something they're still going to be good for your gaming but maybe you don't do so much gaming as you do productivity stuff i can speak of myself i do marginal productivity in 7 gaming so i'll cut you in there but i'll just that also productivity and gaming at the same time like whatever you know more multi tightening I think that's where the six chord really hit home because I noticed yes the four core you couldn't do you couldn't have a game open at the same time as doing all your email talking on skype listening to music you would get a performance tip as opposed to six quarts well Fred's you wouldn't get that so yeah yeah so that that's the interesting thing is that I think that's where they can really I actually have no idea how Intel is going to respond to this in terms of like with scale a key because this is going to be pretty daunting and the other thing is when you're saying is probably our Rosen is going to carry out for three years is that it seems like we're going to be this is a slightly this is so slightly to the side of the topic but something that's good to discuss anyway it seems like we're going to be on forcing nanomi 14-nanometer for quite some time All Things Considered it's looking like we're going to be on 14-nanometer for a lot longer than plenty of people thought we would be on in terms of the consumer base ships you know that regular people will buy the service stuff well obviously that that will come down the thing about India think about Intel karma is a bitch because yeah they should have never have done that thermal paste crap on their for cause I think that's the biggest thing that pissed a lot of people off was like man we're paying good money for these CPUs and you're just chucking trash on them that's it I think that was the downfall how they responded to that how they just kept doing it I didn't care and basically that was the attitude towards their consumers who are buying their products we don't care about you here's thermal paste on your chips your overclockable fork or beast learn destruction oh yeah so that's why I've is gaining a lot of sentiment now because yeah they've got it obviously they've got a good product in the pipeline but also that they're not doing that to consumers I think yeah I agree and I think I mean in a day and age where we're all linked in by a social media wouldn't it be a better strategy from a company standpoint to take care of the consumer rather than screw them over I mean just saying Intel maybe that's something you guys want to think about at the headquarters because when you start screwing over the consumer and it's visibly you know invisible people are going to really going to get pissed off especially when you're charging three hundred fifty dollars for a cpu and you're putting just trash on the on the body someplace so a little bit detailing it that's the most shocking thing of all with something less they released give words if they release kb lake because all it is basically is higher clock speeds and you know a few other minor things but is they should have put better thermal paste on so you can say hey we've got higher clock speeds but also we've redone soon face to make it bitter but in which case they just seem to have done the officer the razor clock speeds made the film place worse and this is something i think something that people aren't discussing as at all as Ames II all in the past has run sold it down lids and I would imagine that will continue to be the case with raisin and that's where you want to see it because that's very very good you should get quite good temperatures that way and that's also going to hurt until I think a lot that these rising sea views if if we're basing it off AMD in the past will have quite good temperatures given the TPP's as well not being obscenely high especially in relation to a Broadway Lee coming in at you know like 95 watt TDP s as opposed to Broadway is 140 wat that's quite convenient as considerably less yellow border le isn't known for having temperature problems like Cuba lakers by 6900 case you know not a very hot running except you but welcoming titty bitches to figure really if it is but it's good to mention you know it gives you an idea anyways I mean obviously something that has a 95 watt TDP to something I had a 2 25 watt TDP is a pretty big change just like the 95 19 compared to rice well that's I mean I'm liking the figures i'm loving what we're seeing out of this but we will talk about a little bit later because you don't want to make it the AMD show something was interesting that came up to me was how to sheba has lost six billion and basically how this relates to tech is that we could see West diddle are quite toshiba soon because they're acquiring everything lately the enquirer HDFC and all these other company said western digital are on a roll toshiba apparently georgia and south carolina their nuclear division under westinghouse electronic like electrical subsidiary family that's had a big right down like massive right down so what we're seeing here is a company that's really an exposed addition to the you know poor mr. mismanagement all the usual drama people not doing their job properly as huge right down apparently and they had accounting scandal going on as well if you years before that so apparently to shivers into the a disarray I think that's the word to use complete disarray over it toshiba and we all know that they do have their memory out their hard drive divisional SSD division flatten memory flash memory division so that looks like it's saying inside achill that it could be up to sail soon so who do you reckon all right my money's on western digital who do you reckon all fail oh yeah that would be reason most likely I would say yeah I mean is the capital weather at western digital died not really known as just the others but I mean look that a digital the likes of sandisk they are bowed to western digital hgf yeah they're bound to western digital western usual zou master yeah so are you going to go out in the streets and bow to western digital i don't think so why are you going to more none but i think the people in the comments will want to see you go out on the street yugioh cup you girl can film you and you just found out if they've western digital my master I think they're kinda like the comments will want to see that I think though my neighbor would be like like think I need to go into a psychiatric facility no but the cattle love it man you go do what's best for the viewers yeah man you see how to do that oh we forgot that I'm boxing at the mall as well oh yeah I'm AE to say I have to do that while waiting for my hair to grow back so I'm going waited a few other things so if you see out wit and digital is chacha that's very true so the comment simple as that could be here I mean you know you've got even more reason to go outside and bow down and praise the Lord western digital yeah goodness gracious all right so anyway this is a really crazy article add to pull this up there's an nvidia fanboy jailed for nine and a half years for murdering an AMD fan i mean nine and a half years a the first thing that comes to mind that's not enough time for murdering someone focus on now that excuse nothing but apparently these guys they're two friends or two colleagues old acquaintances they met bad whenever they met up again having a few drinks and they started talking about graphics cards and now yeah I'm not like sample i hate fanboyism from the get-go anyway I like I like positive sentiment like I like to hide by Sandra risin I like that I don't like fanboy arguments like this is better because it's this brand I mean that's not going to help anyone yeah here we have it here this guy was just pointing out that AMD graphics cards are pretty good work station cards and I actually agree with that statement they often not opencl especially when you utilize it I've done this in the past don't test in the past adobe premiere i was testing especially those cheap graphics card slay you pick up for the even fifty dollars like a 7850 7873 something that was doing all my fork a rendering workload absolutely fine chucked in a 660 ti which was its competitor back in the day and it couldn't handle it pretty much it was a she was struggling so opencl the power of opencl is real and now he was just probably saying that like a dude is opencl ain't bad AMD graphics cards pretty good in the worst season and this guy apparently just blasting him man i guess he might have just gone out and blown maybe eight thousand dollars on his brand-new cuadros or whatever so he must have been just raging and then he just killed him yeah it's a bit of a shocker as well yes struck him twice in the head and then grow the kitchen knife stabbed him 11 times and burn the body so this guy was obviously I mean nine a half years in a Russian prison though is probably pretty rough so I'm compared to maybe the Australian and New Zealand ones that are you know listen here but I suppose they're 12 probably even worse but I just want to thank imagine how you know the detective that figured this out we've got put on this case must have just been face farming the whole time thinking what on earth is you know how could this be a reason how could this be a motive type thing when he is trying to figure it out oh my goodness me I guess I mean usually the rage comes from people who can't debate like I find that bike because you know my brother he raises all the time when we're in an eye human is because you argue fact with these people and they can't handle it oh you pointed out my unity Apocrypha bang I'm just going to kill here like the violence seems to be something that we're seeing more and more that people use when they don't have an argument against whatever I just turned to it it's just kind of set to see but this is a very stupid thing in fanboys and the thing is I seeing a lot of other things ceasing it politics religion or every other freaking thing you go to I mean this is just now it's coming into the tech community no yeah it's just stupid I've always said you know you shouldn't be at being a fan of a sudden company that's fine if that's what you want to be but yes at the end of the day we should always just care about what's the best you know like i don't i'm not a fanboy for any company I just care about what's good you know and so should you guys what's your best what's the best value for money if it turns out to be in till it turns out to be a md or it turns out to be in video whatever the thing is you should just buy whatever is best to buy for the brand x because all this one has the features I want the performance I want at the price that's better than the competitor okay then you just buy that one you don't go on your spindles extra money on this other brand just for brand loyal but I think now that is what are you doing I think that way that's a new trend nowadays just wait look I'm going to go and buy the cpu because it's a and B that's it and yeah I OVAC is we'll go back to the old-skool fanboy days I just got to go get his cpu because in jail what they indeed yeah whatever I think that's what's going to turn into no I think it's yeah I think it's very silly but read back the ring back to blind fanboy bring it back oh no which are we having it go away we have him back the blind fanboy so this is the list guy the nvidia fanboy it was a blind nvidia fanboy i think they need a change yeah title because hey yeah and definitely big idiot and be the guy that did have a very valid point the AMD graphics cards are pretty good in the workstation environment fair if you know how to utilize over seal properly so damn anyway back on day md benchmarks and rumors and all this stuff so the 1800 x is apparently rumored to rival the eight core from intel their thousand-dollar cpu so this is what we're seeing again another rumor mill but honestly we looked at the 1600 x benchmark before that cinebench scored that is promising a lot so that that's the single benchmark that a lot of people want to see because they want to see the max performance of these chips is a BS or is it real and it's looking to be real the real yes and that's exactly right this this one so they're saying it was at 3.6 gigahertz with its turbo disabled and six it wins six of the eight Tests against the 6900 k i believe that was what year was so that although granted the 6900 k from those pictures looks like is that yeah 3.2 gigahertz so that's a very low clock speed for a 60 900 km usually even most people will run them up to Round 4 gigahertz at anyone buying them and we usually overclock at least a little bit if they're buying such a high-end intel cpu but it's still quite interesting I think what we'll see is this 1800 x the a core risin will probably only be picked up with those people that are doing more productivity stuff I think for gamers if you're just purely going to be gaming I think you're probably much better off going for that six core yeah as a 1600 X I think you this pretty much from what I've seen so far there's going to be pretty much no reason to go to the 1800 x now if you're someone doing productivity as well then sure go for it but I'm purely gaming I think you're better sticking to those quad cores and extra costs but yeah interesting field threat of performance they're saying four percent higher IPC versus broad oily that's pretty good well that's what I'm saying well I really that said when I looked at CB is the benchmark and did that video didn't do for you guys on the the base is rising I just did some calculations based off that cpu-z mark and i was looking at roughly ten percent slower to roughly six percent even possibly six percent sizes and sky lake and cabbie lake so that's his base of the benchmark again really just theories theory crafting stuff but you starting to see the mall benchmarks a leak and the more you do those calculations the more that's where the ballpark sort of getting to it's actually really damn competitive more competitive than i thought it would be much more competitive it's actually the Intel's dropped the ball in a few different ways that wet AMD you have the chance to catch up there now MDR catching up and it seems like they were in tell us were fully unprepared for rising coming out because there's such a horrendous cpu launch like kb lake right before your competitors bringing out all their hot new cpus all that bad press doesn't seem to you know isn't a very good idea but yeah these the six core rice and let the 1600 x with a be 350 motherboard which they're both community yeah computers e270 that's coming in at a vastly lower price point so yeah I think that's going to really good we'll talk about a motherboards a bit more which one is very emotional affair but apparently the other master clock a tool as well so just like they had their whatman in their graphics card and they're bringing out a new overclocking software again it's something to add to the consumer a lot of people did like the whatman I personally wasn't a big fan of it again I'm not going to be a big fan of software I like to get my you know overclocks perfect in the playoffs yeah Sam yeah so there's going to be a few different things out there but this is just another one of those pieces of software that's rumored to be coming out it's rumored to be helping you guys overclock your AMD CPUs if you're going to go with the horizon like a lot of people are mean for me like I said before it's going to be exciting regardless right reisen is going to be really exciting because this is going to be something new so the new motherboards new settings new overclocks on you CPUs that behave differently than intel cpus which has always got for the last how many years so it's this is what's bringing so much excitement as well it's not just the fact that it is a competitor or it could be a very competitive product but it's also the fact that it's something you well yeah yeah yeah pray something fresh that people people will be interested and yeah I think it is so secure areas are ja praise jah jah too yeah prices skyrocketing is making things work bond seen these doing work so yeah motherboards but let's get on with these motherboards there is just the heat this article's actually really good so wccftech they've been pulling out some really good articles lately i mean i've been in rehab and stuff they sort of i think they've tamed themselves from going over hype and just saying okay here's what we've got this is the rumors i mean there's still that number one rumor source but like I like the direction they're taking lately so we've got here the titanium I've got the Titanian motherboard here at the moment that's what we're going to be a really solid motherboard that'll be like the best that'll be the dark beer nuts the best for the best then you've got here to cross hair formula that looks favored seduces big bad boy so which one do you like I mean we're going through the motherboards here which one really stands out to you so I'm just slowly scrolling through all these multiple well I mean a lot of them look quite good I was mainly quite interested when I read this article on the the differences between them so basically the main ones that you guys out there will probably be interested in with the 8320 so far that's looking like your micro ATX board their mini ITX I mean the be 350 which is going to be the mainstream board which probably the vast majority of you guys will be getting an ax 370 which is going to be the enthusiast board the difference between the be 350 + x3 70 just seems to be that the x 37 teacher says more of everything and little er me CAE two lanes apparently a little bit more you at ya three a little bit little bit more of a little bit more of a little bit more so yeah yeah yeahs moving air temp phase power arm compared to the sixth phase and a few other things so that'll be the one for the enthusiasts who are going to be going crazy with overclocking also the people running sli or crossfire sit-ups or want to hit that way there's a push to the beach 350 but because the people are running just a single graphics card they're not going to be going absolutely crazy with overclocking you can still overclock on the be 350 but it'll be for the people that are you know they still want to but they're not going to go crazy with it um I still didn't adequately single agenda 350 is pretty damn cool because it's got that legacy pci slot on there so my favorite Pixar I'm like I'm loving this ms I'd be 350 tomahawk this thing looks incredible looks at me yeah yeah yeahs heaven I like what they're doing with that looks really different I also asrock when I look through here early as rocky did have a really cool be 350 board that the profile that's right the pro for ya so I mean there's just so many boards on this article it's pretty cool / there we go look at that is / they're using the battery in the oh that I love that it's a rich i know that looks like a really nice borden and that the estimator pricing right now apparently be 350 is going to start at what they say is 7970 US dollars although that will be for a quite a very basic multi that'll be for the money thank you you wouldn't want to overclock on it like the bare bones if you go on with a 6-core for example you do want to pay maybe i'm looking at around one hundred dollar board it's got a solid you know crm on it mainly it's good yeah yeah yeah so but that pro for for example the one you were just looking at not sure what price point is going to be coming in there tuesday but i would imagine that would be for the American viewers out there about a hundred ten US dollars i would imagine do you think it's 200 can having a nice i think 100 flat the per hundred flat who leave their hippie Preetam encanta la well that's what I think it's looking like it's got the same V RMS see gaming k for you can remember the be 350 is going to be the cheaper said nose is going to cost less for the board manufacturers to license the chipset from AMD but they also point out less on the board to begin with anyway so you can see that those savings are going to come through to the consumers so the profile has always been that just that I don't know that decent Midway board it's got a decent vrm it's got decent on-board audio decent Nick that who knows it looks like they might be using an intel nic whatever it's going to be a northbound board for the money that's going to be my pick fixed core cookie cutter overclocked cookie cutter build I think that's what you're going to be looking like I think with tomahawk you're going to be paying a little bit more cosmetic tax on that board from the looks of things just just saying we're going to be found a little bit more cosmetic taxpayer so one of my English is gone I can't comment cometic thank you I think the other one asked criteria I'm turning key women whose medic tix G stuff so the skins they are the the one I saw was interesting as this list it was about halfway down the page is the gigabyte x 37 e or a scamming five that looks awesome I think that name we're going to eat learner will going down it's going to be a beast I reckon that thing will be amazing so yeah I'm pretty I think this is pretty fair as the enthusiasts have a you know good number of boards to pick from on the X 370 I mean that would be personally if i was to switch to rise and I would go to x3 simony mainly because I would require it for when I test things in sli but also or crossfire but also the fact that I just like having all the features and things like that I think that the board would suit me bitter but in terms of a for money the be 350 is going to be the way to go so I think could be diminishing returns in terms of value for money as you go up to X 370 but obviously the enthusiasts won't care about that and there will just want to have the best motherboard the best speeches the best components and they'll go for the X 370 actually like their be 350 md to that looks like it's going to be a budget card now you just grab yourself a top-down cooler with a massive fan on it and you get yourself vrm cooling for nothing yeah so because you know fixed court is going to be easier it'll be a little bit power-hungry so you're going to want to have a reasonably big cooler I'm like business thing right with coolers do you think a 212 is going to cut it for a sixth Corps 212 evo my getting the minion i guesstimate slightly know if you want to be getting those 94 7 hi overclock and not have to worry about will this cooler be getting sort of you know well it can it handle the heat i'm going to say via the 212 would be great for the four call that maybe the sixth corps that's when things will start getting a little bit too much for that little bad boy so you know that's such a popular go to reference air cooler on the budget is the 212 evo so yeah yeah well and i hope rumors of animax bringing back at t-50 you know I never know why animax stopped the t40 that was my favorite air cooler of all friggin time people who had the t40 will attest that AAA kicked ass be it was just amazing value for money so why did animax ever stop the t40 they brought in me like this this cut down cheaper version but they charge the same money for it i love the original t40 formula that was just the best they're cool that would have handled a sixth or possibly even the a core absolutely fine because they handled my fixed call Haswell 5820 a perfectly fine I mean what's pushing it just a little bit but still it was a solid cooler for the money so miss that cool i miss the ticking yeah i said i think the other thing that we've sort of glossed over a little bit is we've been comparing these two their own line up like very soon and commit to the be 350 but for those of you out there that are comparing this to say z 270 yeah i would see as of what i've seen so far and we pretty much know everything there is to know about the multiple at this point except a lot of times the pricing we don't know what it is um but i would say it doesn't extra simony won't bring anything new / z 270 it's just gonna bring you bring AMD up to par it'll bring them on even footing with the Z to seminary boards in terms of you know they got all the newer newer things the USB yeah but won't I feel like whatever little Eli chips we won't have to do this do that and you want have to do that stuff you have to pay an overclocking licensee kind of thing mate there's just so much and love about rising and what it reference oh yeah on the CPU so I'm just saying it surely on the motherboard side of it's not I don't think and you must agree here you if you look through the specs it's nothing you're not seeing anything here that's like oh well that's like revolutionary you're just seeing it bring it I've been brought up to par yeah did I say oh I'm just seeing better value 2 i'm seeing a session of beef oh yeah for example which yet rivaling i'd be 270 for example that's why they've gone with the 3-series name is to one-up intel like okay with other music yeah well that's just smart marketing i like it where they're doing with it people see a be 270 like om deze got to be 350 it's a higher number okay i'm going to go far higher check this out i'm going to ask people about it then p will say yes they value for money etc etc okay we're going to go buy them so it that higher number automatically gets people questioning ok this is the competitor's product and it's got a higher number is it better i gotta go ask you question and that's what i like about that marketing scheme first up the second thing i like is the price you know you're not paying for an overclocking it appears to be especially with a seventy dollar room at price tag you're not paying for an overclocking license fee on your motherboard which until have double where r q some of the past accuse them in the past of this is double dipping on that overclocking license fee they do it on the motherboard and they do it on the freakin cpu and it's like enough is enough don't charge people so extracting more out of their hardware because they can it's like charging someone yeah it's basically like this stop sort of weird communist system going on okay your skills we're gonna we're going to charge you money because you have a certain set of skills huh yeah guys you know music we're just taking to this now which is born this way you know what I mean yeah if i discriminate you know it's kind of like discrimination in ways so we're going to fight back and the way we fight back is by going out and buying an AMD motherboard and cpu regardless and then not a nice so that is a big thing for me is because yet that's how overclocking originally was you got your CPU and you've got your motherboard and if you were a noob then when I remember when I first got into the game I was a complete noob you like oh oh yeah I'm gonna computer crash I'm just going back i'm reverting everything back to the stock settings I'm never touching this again and that's how you were when you got into this but then you slowly started learning your people your friends like dude you've got to overclock you get in free performance and you learn the ways of course if you couldn't be bothered you didn't learn the ways the it was the the hobby it was like an interest and you learned the skills and then you pass those skills on to fellow bad ones yeah hello sis sis board the the thing I think a lot of people learn when they get into tech specialist they start overclocking after the may be built their first MPC themselves or something and then they go to overclock it and they have trouble is that a lot of people fall into this trap maybe not so much now but a few years ago it was very common to hear about this for people buying very cheap motherboards because there are 0 it's just the motherboard why do i need to buy an expensive one yeah then when they go to overclocking they realize oh this is so limiting and that's what i think a lot of people are learned now that if you're so on who is you know going to be doing good overclocking or wants to be getting good overclocked ADF cpu you will need to get a good mother board in order to achieve that a lot of time so you're going back to a time when they started to segregate the market that's when they started saying okay there's people over close and we're gonna make them a better motherboards what not i can think of maybe x58 comes to mind or LGA 775 so that's exactly the generation oh I'm talking about way before that I've way before I even you achieve motherboards way back we can't make like maybe in two thousand naira limp biscuit era we're going back to there and that was when they even the cheaper boards which is built like brick a--'s it was incredible of course things have changed yet companies one more profit blah blah blah you can't really blame them in that sense but i think it's gone too far and they don't tell ya getting double dipping and all that crap happening now so yeah I'd like to see the V 350 hit really hard you're not going to have to pay that nvidia sli license to which is rumored to be about ten dollars apparently a motherboard so that's why the big 350 is really shaping up to be the value king of motherboards just my opinion it's just my pic with the six core you're going to see maybe hopefully even a three-hundred-dollar combo it just kicks absolute ass 300 bucks oh yeah let's go turns all motherboards of you and then of course you throw your cooler on and a max please bring back 40 40 and then you'll just have the three-way combo it'll just be amazing that would be a hell of a deal actually if you think about if it was a you know 300 deal for the cpu and the mother and a motherboard would be i'm very good but yeah it's exactly right i think that will be the big the big seller for the mainstream and game geez going to call back a lot of that market share well 300 really alright so maybe throw in a thirty-dollar t40 so you got down three hundred thirty dollars and then you get thrown another five dollars for a KFC five double meal deal so you got three hundred thirty-five dollars you get yourself KFC lunch you're ready to build your 50 this episode brought to you guys bye okay now i'm going down getting five dolla your deal today but let's go to the gym gonna go walk after this then go go down good five dollar milk is cassie and when I'm not getting sponsored at all i just love the foxhole meal deal so as the five dollar aussie as well an American would be like three dolls 50 incredible you can drink chips chicken and you can see right this is really good oh so all right next up here we've got our Baker in the x 1080 TI of course we've got this other article here that says the 1080i was reportedly launching March twentieth and I wanted to talk about that because you know cut down tighten xp10 a TTI coming out around rumored to be around 750 to nine hundred dollars but as I was saying before stream or more discussing the topics do you I think it's too late for the tenant I think it's just becoming way too late for the 1080p I I mean we know that Nvidia have to launch a graphics card new graphics card release every year otherwise you know that's just how they are now their profit driven we know they've got that card if they release a refresh and it doesn't do too well then the sales aren't going to do well so again that competition within competition from its own company is relevant here Intel seen it in the past few years people just haven't been buying new Intel chips because they haven't been performing they haven't been bringing anything really new to the table for enthusiasts so this in with all that said this in itself the 1080i I just think it's too late even for the 1080i to really make an impact Crazy's gonna meet ya be a little bit better than a 1080 since nine months since the 1080 or whatever eight months since is 1080 it's been released mmm hey what do you say I think okay March twenty twenty third is looking pretty solid because they're going to want to release this graphics card soon right they've got it in the poem one yeah but I just think it's beginning to late i think i think i mean you sold it a little bit short by saying it's only going to be a little bit better from a 1080 I mean it tiny XP is pretty sort of pulls quite a decent gap I mean if it's running the same GPU then cuda cores wise you're probably going to see if I cut down 3300 something most likely but I mean it's still going to have a lot more of everything than a 1080 but yeah it is quite late and to charge a premium for it as well will be not the best I really yeah I see them bringing it out but it not being a big seller especially if considering these events are scheduled for the same day februari 28 they're both going to have the andy and nvidia will be having announcements on that day and we expect them to announce both 1080 TI you know probably give official specs for it and Vega will be formally announce an end to the AMD or radeon or give an idea of specs for that as well and I think in that regard yeah I'm not really sure I don't think many people will unless they going to bring that that price point as you said earlier will be closer if it's closer to that seven hundred dollar 750 us marks then I think people might you know it might gather some interest but honestly I would say most people would just wait for Vega which is all away all their own yes or same again but in their own line up they're going to wait for what's coming out later this year from Nvidia lineup so then that's the biggest thing for me because we're getting so late into the cycle here for nvidia i just think this card's becoming sort of people are forgetting about i'm forgetting about 2 i'm like--okay 1080i when's it coming out it should have came out last month I think that would have been perfect for him to release it in January oh yeah I out all their 1080s and gems dominis for christmas it here's the new card you can buy it up again go so go sell your life go mortgage your house go buy off or 1080 TI i think they have what they should have done but I think now they're just leaving in people don't know I got my 1080 got my 1070 that'll that'll do me until you release your next generation or of course AMD released bagel which is what we'll talk about now Vegas rooming rumored to come out in May is I think what we got now is may four computex yeah that's what it's looking like because they've got the year so much seconds room it's a risin that's a release of rise in March second that looked clearly so with this title recently launched Andy residence of you so that's looking pretty solid yeah I would say a much second verizon is pretty all but confirmed and I think 10 a TTI in March I was always thinking that Nvidia would wait until they had come out and then released at natt I to head back right after but honestly at this stage I think they just have to release it and much they have no choice and it will gather it'll probably sell somewhat decently they'll be enthusiasts out there that pretty much wanted just a cheap time XP that will just buy it but I don't think it will move that many units and then I think Vega will come out and either Vega will smash it or it's going to be less but again that's pricing as well comes into it you have any on how that figure 10 and bigger live and GPUs perform yeah that's what I see right now so at this stage if the 1080i does come out in March at the end of March I can't see this selling hugely that many anyway it would just be enthusiasts buying it that as I said what a fine XP or an upgrade over there 1080 those spell all I just want want that much but I mean I don't know what the cells are like on the time XP either I Kevin I don't know a single person I know quite a few people in the industry enemies of enthusiasts I don't know a single person that owns a time XP I don't I didn't even test if I'd only time I don't know I don't know anyone who bought time next before that so tight and before that so then this is getting that price point where it's just you know it's a graphics card okay very much so and you know this is too much I can't afford this I think that's what a lot of people are saying i can't afford this bit of course you've got the time next be out there i've imagined a few people would have bought them but the 1080 still is a lot better value for money in terms of raw performance versus I'd and xB and the tenant oh yeah I'm not as good as base money wise as a 1070 so mean starts it starts going up in this scale of whatever and the 1080i it looks like it's going to hit the markets but how hard you can hit market remains to be seen firstly I just think it's too late for nvidia i think they should have released this last month's and forgotten about what AMD's doing because and he's got a lot of brand sentiment now like people just want to wait for Vega because they're whatever they're sick of the GeForce experience or that sick of what aunt vide is doing Amy's always got that real core enthusiasts like real yeah I guess you'd call fanboy or whatever bitch is waiting for Vega anyway they didn't care wouldn't be it releases that is waiting for Vegas so they go back court market they're a bit of course i think in VT is waiting to see what AMD does with the vega is it better than the 1080 could it possibly be better than a 1080 TI anything's possible run but they're waiting for that because they don't want to release the 1080i if the vega is going to be better than that AMD and videos got oh this complex where they've got to be the best on the market now regardless or hand down so i think that maybe that complex is getting to their cells a little bit because 10 attr thought they should have again short so they should have brought out in in january so ya know agree i think i think they'll just released this then they can still say we've got the most powerful gaming GPU on the market Jeff Fager doesn't even if bigger can't manage to beat it but considering the price point it's going to be coming in ash which I would I mean what would you think in australian dollars that would be probably it will be coming in about four thousand one a day 1100 yeah i'd say around about that maybe it'd definitely be 1100 a more towards no more towards eleven hundred dollar mark yeah yes Liam so giving on to some other newseum Bethesda has three new projects in the works you want to pull up this article year just to say hey but this is making more awesome games or like what i was thinking okay what do they got the pipeline fallout 5 skyrim 6 what's the other one that they got in the 5 line now well they fit in the pipeline ahead full out BR and the nintendo switch version of skyrim which okay either rose max mean nothing excited again and get excited yeah yeah they said they got a number coming on and I think they got another post apocalyptic seems one but the wii house would be fantasy post-apocalyptic things so yeah there are so zombie it'll be so zombies then it'll be so probably like I think you'll be zombies so whatever the hand of course I said Elder Scrolls sex miracles on Boyd really wants my own I call it zombie room somebody hahaha don't be rim job I gave the EA now offering last article we got here and then we're going to questions which will go from the forms I seem to work really well last week so EA are now offering origin access for thirty dollars annually now apparently it was usually five dollars a month so we're getting it half price or whatever now so I don't know does anyone use this if so can they vouched for it I just it looks okay you get access to some of those early triple-a titles that are on the rise like battlefield one for example EA members to get early access to that there's also titled to just being uploaded there to play for free if you've got the membership so yeah it kind of looks pretty cool I mean if it does deliver then I could see myself signing up for this but I do I just don't know is it any good if people you have fever users before it's just the best of the best is like these games that they're putting up here they have the best of the best so yeah I can see this concept becoming more normal in the future as kind of a gaming version of st. Netflix like you pay a subscription fee and then you get to play whichever games you want rather than just buying specific games I the only problem with it is from a legal perspective I don't you know obviously EA no no that has all these are all being named they would have agreement a fool they would have agreements even with game manufacturers that want to go in origin for example look depending on the played time you get a cut of that thirty dollars kind of like how YouTube bread works could see it being very successful and they set it up right they're going to come into no problems I'm sure so yeah I mean that that could be one way of doing it the way Netflix does it is just by paying huge amounts in licensing fees in order to with the production companies that make the show or whatever or the movie or anything like that yeah so like paramount or whoever Lionsgate so they do it that way but this is a concept that i actually am quite surprised hasn't really taken off yeah I now I'll now that he'll gain more sort of awareness I'd imagine it'll Stargate right away because it's not steam doing it seems the big boys so steam did it than sure is gained much more traction oh yeah what but they never going to do it James making that develop makes so much money I gave it was hairy and gave insist i Justi doesn't in released off why three doesn't need to is just like lives good man got the script ready hi Stan get all that money yeah let's move on to a Q&A now guys so we've got I just on the if you guys want to ask questions you don't have to be on the live stream to do it you can just head over to taxi DTV / forum join us l easy to join up just make an account and then post and every week we're going to be doing a thread there where we just I ask you questions so this a couple of days ago I made a thread and got a few questions is so someone wants to Nellie nelson wants me to explain the f'ed up relationship for brass performances of new versus second-hand tech I wouldn't call it f top you know I wouldn't call it messed up I'd say it's just the way it goes then new new net you doesn't care that restaurant you've got the warranty there you've got the guaranteed it's going to work if it doesn't I can take it back use you've always got the chance of getting hosed so that being said when you go use than it does work out man can you get some deals mainly because a some a lot of people to sellers use parts don't know exactly what those products are worth they just want to get rid of it get cash because they bought their new tech they upgraded they just want to offload so the process of new versus you use pc pots should always have better price performance than you and if it did then that is just messed up yeah so it's always going to have better of course but it's always going to carry more risks in a nutshell so that's you know I've been hosed quite a few times i recently got hosed with the 99 280x as well that was a big hosing so you get hosed you win some you lose song so also we got off to the next year from our in the great what CP is will drop in price after rising comes out new zealand generation maybe that's actually a good question because verizon is looking to be legit right so this question if not two out of the fence now out of the ballpark i would see Intel will respond until will respond they will have to drop their prices if AMD chips are indeed that good especially in terms of value for money it'll hit the used market as well damn that's like it's going to hit all markets just like the RX 480 and RX 470 brought the whole market down in terms of price and gave its minimal competition rison is looking like it's going to be doing the exact same thing yeah so i can't wait i mean i don't really know exactly what's going to happen i just know prices will drop so empty a lot of them like a lot of them will drop in price yeah the new I know he's asking for used ones but the intel current lineup at its current pricing will definitely change after eyes and you can guarantee that or I would be I would be very surprised that themselves did not change pricing to look online demand is supply and demand they have to like you know if they're shipping CPUs if they've got their production line set up the invested billions and billions of dollars into this production factory they want that thing constantly churning our chips and if it's not then they're gonna have to lower the prices it's all about supply and demand at the end of the day so ya xpect rising is as good as it is you can expect a lot of fifties to come down and price a lot of them if not all your consumer all of consumer desktop CPUs it'll be a kick in the pants so overclocking I find that I do want you can add in any time cap sorry they want to exclude you from the discussion no no no I sorry I agreed what you're saying yeah yeah heh move on to the next session yeah that's the overclocking I find that when i overclock the cpu the ram timings need to be lowered to keep it all stable the RAM is also overclocked getting so what's best getting max megahertz out of RAM or keeping the speed lower and making the TRS settings as low as possible i would go with keeping this the timings lower mm then max speeds because you want to get your command cycle your total commence or whatever whatever si tu want to get that to t race you want to get that low as possible to but you also want to get your command timings down to from two to one that's the biggest one I've course XMP for a hot and I've said this before XMP profiles are good especially compared to default the faults like the worst the worst you can do is just leave your RAM on default out of the box 22 2133 megahertz 15 15 15 36 to the worst you can do out of the box I would overcook your RAM a little bit and that's why XMP is for me i recommend x + page a lot because they give you a massive performance boost over the out of the factory settings yeah new memory does have XP and it requires absolutely no time at all like as well you just go into the advice x and b bang it in quit and you'll do all the rest for you keep in mind though on some of the later intel platforms you have to be careful of leaving your system agent voltage on auto i noticed that with the recent testing of the cabbie lake man some of those system agent voltages were going ridiculously high and you can cook your chip by doing that but in essence yeah you should try to lower the timings at see you know I think the sweet spot for ddr4 memory is around 2,400 meters to 26 hundred megahertz with low timings so you're a gamer that's the does be where you'd want to get those timings down and you won't have to pump as much voltage through hopefully as you would see three plus three key Gertz memory overclocks so yeah but he said it needs to be lowered the timings need to be lowered to keep the ramp stable that's interesting it's usually the other way you usually have to hire the time make the timing time here yeah the adding is just a typo there but a good question a good question actually that's really good one thanks waiver d so high brain and have really looked forward to rising now we all are men yes go tractor the tractor tractor I'm particularly keen to find out what the overclocking potential will be especially for the cheaper cheaper chips in each core category are they've been differently where are the best places to go to find information on average overclockable capabilities for the various skews i'm guessing reddit or some other form just wondering where are the places you would look for this information you won't be able to find that information out until the release date sure no one yeah no one with that many chips is going to be leaking that information azusa usually especially funny but the Zeus usually around the time of release have really good guides on cuz they get a heap of chips for testing them up the boards they usually have around 50 to 100 CPUs and they do those average averages for you guys that's one thing I'll be looking out for is I'd be like guessing the azusa page because they really do give a great article on where the majority of the chips go in terms of clock speeds and you'll be able to check from there if there is some been in going on and what not so I'm really looking forward to that article from a Zeus because they usually do it in the past they've done a really good job of doing that yeah hopefully this method or snakes out yes there will be no it's just going to see the overclocking question and regards to rising us something that everybody wants the answer to from what I've read so far it seems to be similar to broad well II more closer in terms of overclocking capability then cable H in the sense that I think you're going to be getting them up to 4.2 4.3 maybe 4.4 and that might be about it I hope that's not the case but that's what it seems like right now in terms of finding out how good they're going to be yes brian says the motherboard manufacturers often times will release information on that otherwise he'll be I'm through your watch lots of videos from tech youtubers like myself and Brian and all the rest of the guys when they start testing the risin ships and doing overclocking and that should give you a general idea as well because if they're all ever see if you watch 10 tech youtubers test out the 1600 X for example and they all seem to say well i got about 4.2 or 4.3 out of it and they didn't really want to go any faster then that's pretty good you know you should assume that if you buy one it will be similar other than that there's plenty of forms you can go on to like the tick city forums yeah Oralia or at this overclocking forms as well where people i'm sure they're we heat so people were talking about what they can get of them or even though my friend Serena Russian forms man there's Russians are they're on their game man when it comes to the overclocking so yes in do do not regularly they'll tell you where the engineering samples are at two so yeah guys so those that's it for the questions this week if you guys want to ask questions and you want if you say you'd miss the you miss the live stream then be sure to head over to the forums and join and we'll answer them next week for you guys so i'll be making a new article and of course i'll probably head over the chat we've got a live chat going on right now I'm just going to head into the chat and answer and just chat with you guys and we'll catch you guys next week 4 episode 16 of the tech lunch hope you guys enjoyed this week's episode and thanks big thanks for care for joining us this week have you got any closing statements oh I'm just started this is great and I'm really looking forward to racing now we're close and only two weeks away and there's a lot of stuff so many leaks coming out now it's just crazy so obviously we are very close to release date because that's when you get all these huge amounts of leaks coming out ultimately this is a thing going on out there AMD itís or something like apparently people's eps are just being to erect for too long that they're falling off now like that's apparently a rumor going because they're just watching the rumors in that you know getting to iraq's like that's a problem so i hope people fix that ah yeah on release day so anyway guys will you ask you guys next week for the tech lounge thank you all for joining in and we'll catch you guys next time so and easy guys yep see you guys