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hopefully it works okay we should be streaming and guys welcome back to episode 16 of the tech lounge and hope y'all are doing very well i'm joined by kev from tech showdown how you don't have had a great brian has been been really fun just trying to get through a lot of content just like you so we can have plenty of time to go every go over every nook and cranny of risin yeah the rough stuff starts to go live yay exactly the risin stuff is going to be pretty damn big isn't it so a big revolution in the taxi everyone's gearing up for this everyone just keeps going on oh my god rising it everywhere you turn everyone's talking about rising it's insane so I can't wait personally I think it's going to be awesome I think people have been waiting for this it's it's been in the making for years and it's finally coming so in a few days a few days it's going to hit you guys and we're gonna see what this thing does to the market it's a rebel late it's already shaking things up from what we hear your first article intel's already responding this is actually legit this article's legit i'm checking it out now microcenter dropping these prices as they say how we've got a heap of price cuts on the intel CBS's before it rises even out yeah before these things even out we've got price cuts so yeah this is what a lot of people you know you can't say you were surprised by this because a lot of us expected this to happen Intel had been doing very well in terms of margins for quite some time so of course as soon as rising came out they were going to change that and yeah we see a lot of drops there especially on the broad well II range which is again something we also expect it to see bigger drops there and everything else but it's good for ya it consumers out there obviously you know saves you a bit of money if you are still keen to go towards until I guess after all the testing comes out with rising yeah we'll be able to see it you know it works out this is why competitions good bring prices down but in another year I think of 5820 can achieve X number 11 sex 2 99's released I think it x.x 99 motherboard in a 58 20k or for example that might become a good used price performance value play hmm because I honestly I've between the 6800 k in the 58th 20k I thought there was bugger-all difference because the 58 20k clocked higher I found it clocked actually a lot higher my went to 4.6 stable this thing only has a 4.3 max so these are max vs max and of course I drop it down 100 megahertz because diminishing returns but 4.2 vs. 4.5 I mean there's your there's your performance gains all gone down the window from a new cpu architectural yeah exactly yeah so was about I mean this is this was something we I think it's it's really bad timing / Intel as well I mean kb lake launched and didn't make much of a splash and there wasn't a huge amount of hype around it either especially after all the issues with temperatures started coming out so i think yeah aim DS in a very very good position right now with the risin launch Intel's looking probably the weakest they've looked in a very long time in terms of their position in the market and the the consumer cpu market that is yeah well that's on me they've live worried they're like okay guys we've been sitting on our backsides for years and they have I mean we just four years we've been getting trickled out crap and you know until have the rd to do a little bit better i think i would assume yeah they would have the rd to do a bit better than they've been doing and that's what we've all been disappointed about we've been getting these performance gains just trickle down not only that we've been getting been seeing things like thermal patchy thermal paste on our cpus it's in ways it's like the consumer has been insulted that much that they're just fed up even these price cuts these even going to be enough to persuade people to go not by a rising sea view by an intel cpu yeah I would say yeah I mean my prediction from the very start so this isn't any new information or anything guys but that what I predicted from the very start was rising and I suspect once i start my own testing that i'll be proved correct is that the multi-threaded performance will be absolutely excellent so the people that will be using it for productivity stuff they're going to have an absolute blast well we've been a scene though so we've already seen that we're ready see ya a lot of the leaks and specialist units and that's the one benchmark you just need to see and say okay this thing max calls max threads max overclock it's performing like this this is what it theoretically can do max so but yeah yes I think that's very good but I always said that key be lakewood still have a place because of its extremely good single threaded performance and i really do think that will be the case and overclocked still mean the thing go I'm I know is the pipeline one gig goods I mean that's huge 51 1 gigahertz is huge yeah i mean the heat will always be a huge detractor from people going to key be like but yeah i really really think that that that will after all the dust to settle that will be how the market place will sort of end up is that people still be going towards the cubic cpus for that very fast very good single threaded performance but people and that will make me and you Brian who wants a cpu that's going to be great for productivity stuff but also great for well you know decent for good enough for gaming will be going towards risin now instead of broadway lee and your guy like in that so i think that's where Intel should be most worried well this time there's still there's still a lot of information to come out like you know when of the six scores coming out one of the four cores coming out a lot of people going to be waiting for those because 329 box is still expensive considering you're probably going to have to couple it with a nice solid X 370 motherboard right you're not going to be able to just get this thing on a dirt cheap multiple it's eight core 16 threats going to need some solid vrm there so that yeah a lot of people waiting for the four current six core variants but yeah that's that's my argument as well if the performance is good enough it doesn't have to be 7700 k at five point one gigahertz performance if it's if it's good enough and it smashes the old-school 8350 out of the park then that's all they really need and especially if the productivity is there I mean we really know the productivities there from AMD's only that sooner badger school is pretty much going to guarantee that this thing is going to kick ass in productivity that's your guarantee but I and I voiced my concerns about that jewel CPU design you know interconnected I've been voicing it for a while it's something to you can ignore because I've had jewels eons I've gamed on dual xeons for six months I know or at least six months I forgot how exactly how long i did but i've gained on these things for six months I know their weaknesses for me it felt like the dual xeons had this inherent input lag as opposed to a single CPU setup not only that you got local frames and then even people are telling me in the comment section that one cpu of that a five 2670 will perform better than two so like that this is one cpu set performing better to sew a dual cpu design of course it's completely different they've got a 2017 or 2014 architecture versus how old sandy bridge is but of course there's some variants there bit and you know you got to see be using physical sockets versus one cpu but still the core thing of having two CPUs interconnected is still there that's still there how's that gonna be yeah yeah yeah yeah I get what you're saying and I think you're completely right so um I mean yeah um I think we agree here that might for productivity stuff I have no worries at all i think reisen is going to be absolutely fantastic for it so if you were someone out there who's looking or was looking to build a workstation and there are a lot of you guys out there because a few people have hit me up to ask about it I would say definitely just wait this next well we only have to wait another week basically less than a week even for all the rows and benchmarks come out then really take a look to be one hundred percent sure and then I would go towards those eight core raisin CPUs because that will be absolutely excellent forearm all your productivity stuff I mean I went from a 4770k sir for four core eight thread CPU a child soon productivity stuff on as well all my video rendering in that and and it does it you know it'll get you by but man after i went to the 6900 k oh it's so much better the rendering times are cut in half you know everything was just much more smooth it's just a much better experience way way more time efficient well to be honest I mean I i thought the sixth corps was a great balance it's a great balance for even me doing video editing having skype conversations up at that that's 16 core 32 threaded beast that i had man that one thing was great you could just do everything at the same time and not have a hiccup like you could be rendering that video playing a game talking on skype listening to music making a thumbnail when you die in dota 2 late you do all this stuff at the same time that it just wasn't one slow down i really loved that aspect of course you've got to remember that the more multitasking you do though generally the more ram you're going to want as well don't ignore that factor you know because there was again i copped this for a few videos i remember a few videos people just kept telling me you don't need 64 gigabytes of ram yeah 32 it's like no way for me i need 64 gigabytes of ram have to have it so it might kind of setup I have to have it because I sometimes are loading a hundred gigabytes of footage for a 4k cut you know I usually want to do my videos I overtake I overshoot like I will not sometimes I won't even use half the amount of b-roll that took in one video yeah just because I like it's just better to be safe than sorry I'd rather just have I've got the camera there wise will do all the beer all shoot it all and then drop it into Adobe Premiere Pro and be like okay let's get this video nice and fresh and everyone's going to love it so but that's 100 gigabytes I need sees will give us a rampant not even a healthy not even a conversation ended up talking about memory but anyway price cuts they're real they're coming so if you were the guys who you know I'm sure there's a few guys out there they're gonna be like look I want to get an intel cpu I just I don't trust AMD there's going to be those guys you can now get it with a price cut so yeah yeah and of course the empty help to the ad pre-ordering I'd see if you're going for productivity that's a guaranteed sell I really want to get my hands on it to see how it does in gaming I've got my reservations just because of the jewel zealand's I want to test it I really want to get in-depth testing done for you guys I can't wait to do that hopefully I'll be able to get a day 1 review be pushing it for time I mean what's 33 days so this thing's release pretty much three days day yeah yeah I'm not sure if that's going to be the sort of like is it isn't trying to explain to people being a Australian or New Zealand tech youtubers like having a handicap it's like being a tech youtuber on hard mode because you're always so delayed we always have to wait so much longer than everybody else especially especially New Zealand man oh no that's a shocker it takes stuff so long and to get here so have you ever thought it broke okay have you ever thought did you get your passport you got your zpass but I mean getting you zealand parts but you live in Oz anytime you want if you ever thought just cash in a plane coming over just live in here I mean half my family lives in Australia ready so where you can be that um that difficult but I think often the new zealand lives in australia at the moon it's actually been going the other way lately haha more us he's coming here thank you is going there but um the yeah i mean it is it is something i have thought about in the past but now it's just one of those things but even i'll see you like like even i see your videos are often times with something a launch you'll see all the Americans and Canadians put out all their content and then like a week later of course they're going to get first dibs they got the mat they got the biggest market in the world so yes without it goes without saying yeah yeah let's try it's pretty good i find the i mean we do bitch about prices a lot and I'd say about fifty percent of the times it's warranted yeah the prices are pretty stupid but prizes like Jesus if you guys are in eyes and you think prices are bad just wait until you head to some other places in the world holy they get bad like they get real bad you know I was on holiday at Christmas we've stopped through New Caledonia factually so going to make a video on that but they didn't even have a computer shop open on a on a weekday so I couldn't even like it was there it was that bad all they had was lay a few like game stops not even again wasn't called gamestop was like some rip off of that and there's some headphones like razor headphones 100 bucks I was like okay this is living a living it up boys so yeah exactly i mean the thing is with new zealand is that it's not so much the retailers fault it's just the distributors in australia want to take a cut as well before they send things on to new zealand so basically the products come in from whichever country they're manufactured they go to the aussie distributors they prioritize australian retailers first so they all get all the products first then whatever's left over they send over to the new zealand retailers they also um will take their cut which means the prices go up even higher in new zealand and that's why new zealand tech cost more than oz you tick even if you account for the different currency wasn't it what's your arm what's your import thresholds in Australia we got a thousand bucks man so you can order like anything you want from amazon and you get it for good prices i just recently ordered a RX 470 it's going on amazon for like 150 bucks with that $20 rebate that $20 rebate is an international rebate so damn like do you order much from amazon straight to New Zealand really I usually i buy i try buy locally whenever i can i'm sort of a i'm a bit of a patriot i like i like supporting the new zealand retailers as much as I guess I don't sort of hard to yeah it's hard for them to compete a lot of the time so I like to support local business and it gets rewarded because companies like high tech support me so right on the nose full circle but our yes oh that's just there's my way of doing things but yeah that's sort of why it's difficult but we're making there's all I can tell you guys right now is that there's plenty of inquiries being made and there's lots of talk behind the scenes so i'll be bringing you rising content as soon as i possibly can as soon as possible probably as fast as anybody else in the ceiling could possibly start doing what if flash lightning comes over New Zealand bro then you're done okay anyway let's go rison ok so next article here rising over clock frequency bundles so the MSA range of aim for boards basically with their game boost knobs have figured out what the pre boost settings are and so what we've got here is essentially we got a list here and it shows you all those clock settings on the motherboard here so interesting indicator it would give you an idea that they've tested behind closed doors I really liked this article because it's sort of like hey ms I have done all the testing behind closed doors and this is what we're seeing based on their BIOS settings it's kind of like a very intuitive leak I like it I like this article yeah it's pretty good although if we look further down in the article it has something that we already do know about because obviously brain runs the 6800 ki run a 6900 k and there's the broadway lee one's actually run an MSA exhaling motherboard so i can tell you because i've tried this out before so you'll see going down there's you know 4.4 4.6 4.5 4.7 those stage 10 and 11 ones I can tell you for a fact a 6900 k good luck you'd have to have the golden ship to get those sorts of frequencies out of a 6900 k now I've done it on stage 8 to 4.3 it will go to 4.3 but it's not the most happy chappy there but 4.2 it's extremely happy so stage sex on this it will be um yes happy is Larry at that amount so then if we take that logic which isn't extremely sound but but let's let us roll with it anyway and apply it to the the raisin ones then we can say that stage eight is probably the one which the majority of people will be able to take them so that will mean I was going to say stage a will stay Jake I think it got me too i think it was 4.9 i forgot off me i remember i do my msi motherboard is 4.9 gigahertz I think stage 8 was around about it it was right about the sweet spot so yes guesstimate would be like stage 10 and stage 11 you know kill your CPU stages so yeah like on air on air anyway you don't have some really damn good water cooling but I'd say Stage six and stage eight would be around about your estimate of the max sort of overclocks on a decent Bend chip chip and so we see here that we can see the range right we've got about four point three gigahertz to 4.1 gigahertz would that be safe to assume that that's where the majority of verizon CPUs will end up I think so yeah I would agree with that also I think it does seem like they're not going to be um I mean the the funniest thing about this is i honestly when i first looked at that graph I thought it was round the wrong way I was expecting those quad cores to be the higher overclockers rather than the beat a course it's I don't know how I could explain it in an easy way but it's sort of the reason part of the reason why things like kb lake can overclock so much better well there's a there's a lot of reasons there but um the yeah they're been viable I mean 71 decay is the cream of the crop on the four core yeah like that's the cream is the best of the best there then you go into a different you know different manufacturer on the six core 2 10 core so you've got the four core been the cream of crab you got this time around we're pretty certain everyone certain that it's just the eight core is the cream of the crop and then you're skewing down to the four core all on the same manufacture there so it remains to be seen but this is what it's looking like your four cores not as good as your sex call you see schools not as good as you eight core not just in the fact that there might be something faulty on that cpu but also in the in the bin as well maybe this is too early to tell I'd say that they're all gonna say I'd say overall they're all going to be much the same i guess because they're already releasing the 1700 which I do kind of assume that the 1800 x is going to be the cream of the crop versus the 1780 I'd imagine that have a smart bidding process because yeah yeah I can't imagine them charging 170 bucks just for some just for turbo noobs you know what I mean like a ureter bueno you got a hydrant 70 bucks yeah like and then of course we got the ln2 score as well where was around about 5.3 or something wasn't it they maxed out on ya got pretty yeah there's already up there so I would say I mean this is also you guys may be guys that don't do much overclocking there is a lot of people will just overclocked and a lot of CPUs automatically will overclock one core um much higher than the others for your single threaded applications what I'm gathering from this if I if I can go off what set what ms I've done in the past were Broadway Lee this will mean 4.3 on all 8 cores not just on the single one so there are there any turbo nerds out there in the comments go represent guys to say I'm a turbo new it sir we'll be getting will be addressing that light of it just yes so I think that that'll be something else but if thats meaning 4.3 across all eight then you can possibly get it up a higher if you were just doing it on a single core rather than going across it really depends on what you want the reason why I do it across all 8 on my 6900 k is because the primary reason why use that cpu is productivity I want all 8 cores going hard so when I do rendering and other things you know it works out well but if you're not doing any productivity type stuff then you'll just be wanting one core going super hard because of that's what a lot of games will require it maybe not so much going for it but we will have to see um but yeah that's funny i'm looking at his i'm looking at these bundles here it's like five hundred eighty pounds for a AMD 1700 at be 350 + 8 gigabytes of ddr4 me I'm just kind of wondering who who would want to get an eight-core 16 threaded CPU and then 8 gigabytes of ddr4 like it's a bit of a dumb bundle like you'd want and want at least 16 gigabytes of RAM with an eight quarts come on guys just say it's sort of funny though if you think about it because a lot of people have been showing different bundles that you can get with that AMD 1700 are seven 1700 and showing that you can actually build an entire system for the same price as just buying the Intel 6900 k CPU you know because it's so ridiculous they've got to do they will not ask you down here for 300 bucks the pro 1700 so to be determined that's interesting yeah I don't know what what those Pro ones are to do with I have actually asked around and you no one else seems to know either so I don't have no idea why be not over close one so maybe possibly who knows but why would you what why do they need that much of a spread well because if you will I mean if you've got if you've got a non overclockable model then you can just put the absolute crap estuve the crap of the bin oh no not overclocked and you keep everyone happy someone's getting a CPD for 299 bucks yeah so just just I'm just putting that out there I've been probably wrong but we got here now there's a lot of worry going on at l allegedly playing dirty to undercut AMD rising so we've seen this in the past until have been fined two times i believe is 2009 the EU decision 1.4 billion dollar fine then in the year states they were they were caught with a big fine I mean these guys are just thrown vines for anti-competitive practices whether you know they were just getting HP and Dell and stuff like that and they like you guys use our CPUs will throw you know will pay off some money give you a bit of a deal I don't usually out of this product you know don't do it so they've been found guilty of that and they've even been found going on the record as saying dell loves money so yeah there's a lot of pretty the the worst one I found from the FTC's findings was the Intel page / coerce software and hardware vendors to not support or to limit their support for AMD CPUs this includes having vendors label their wares as Intel compatible but not AMD compatible it's little things like that and it's like come on and tell you know like just cut it out you don't need to carry on like that you've been at the top of the market for a long time now you don't really need this and I mean it was at 1.25 billion dollar settlement for unfair and deceptive conduct so I mean was it really worth it you just you do stupid to be honest though that should be honest you 1.25 billion was it was it worth it though that's the thing that would be like if you're looking at this for my fuel monetary standpoint would it have been worth because you've got to account for all the negative images like the negative image that amd's suffered over the years could have this directly affected AMD's ability to make a better processor back in the day and I'd say yes there's so many augmented things that could have happened if they were certainly more cpus you know maybe a 2.6 billion intel can afford a can absorb that oh hell yeah they mean what in one quarter they probably spend more than that on ray rd so they can absorb the costs and they knocked AMD out they just they hammered them by doing this stuff in the past that are not good right I mean that's the thing right I'd say 2.6 billion that almost I'd say they might even be doing they might have been doing better off they might have been laughs at this I don't know because they just completely destroyed AMD before like now rising we're gonna see how risin does but before that they just completely destroyed them and maybe 2.6 billion wasn't enough or whatever so you know really where does it go so I'm just wondering because there's so many things that we're not thinking of it so that the negative image that I empty suffered over the years I they're super user you know this and that and their ability to not make a better cpu due to having to push these court battles and then get paid out in 2009 or in 2010 or whatever so you can see that those crucial years was like the downfall and it was just like it was a snowball in like the other way like one company's gone this way the other companies gone that way so is that worth 2.6 billion I don't know I don't know I mean the thing is is that if they tried if something that this happened again I think the negative publicity um alone would really really hurt them if they try to do something like this all right now that we're all wired in see now that social media and what this with the internet like everyone's widened now so yeah I really don't think they can pull this off again back then they could 2005-2006 it wasn't it was kind of like you know I don't know tech like the enthusiast tech scene was still underground very underground mm-hm so nowadays though it's a completely different story everyone's waiting everyone's making videos every once again but everyone's the Czech people wait a min everyone's got a tablet if they don't have a pc they got a tablet they can check news so and I don't know be interesting to see is until you know do they own shares of news companies I don't know but if they don't if they don't if they don't own shares and use companies the news companies aren't going to care they just going to report straight away to get views it's how the world works actually and is this business is a deadly businesses a deadly environment or it can be anyway so I think that's the difference now as well as that in the olden days you know people could do that but nowadays with all the amount of you know all these independent sites like the ones we get on go on and stuff I mean you can't big companies can't cover the tracks absolutely where and so there's going to be people reporting on it yet they might be able to do something dodgy with the mainstream media but people will still find out about it and and people in the industry will certainly hear about as well and they're the ones that might change I mean if you think if Intel does dodgy stuff like this it's this server market their server CPU sales which are really propping them up and if they do enough stuff like that then maybe people in the industry will start to get a negative opinion and go over to the Naples risin well that's if that's where AMD we already know that's where AMD's going to hit really hard is in the server they need to have all that there they want to take some money off Intel's hands man they're going to go I've heard around the industry that there's a lot of chatter about that like oh yeah more than you would think you look at those but you look at those prodigies yeah but you look at those productivity scores men there they're pretty much they're so highly correlated to a server workload SQL and whatnot so that is really good for AMD that's why fast gamers we're really just the guys who love gaming we want the performance we lazy this is all the whole communities based around but all the money is in the server industry yeah and that sort of that's and I'd say those results are highly correlated with work state by workstation productivity benchmarks so when those benchmarks are good generally your server benchmarks would be pretty much hand in hand so you can expect rise in to hit really hard in the server industry really damn hard and I think that's what yeah yeahs tells not I'm end of course but we're just hearing this stuff here like until allegedly sending out emails call us before you're right guys so a just hold on on that rising review we just want to check it out you know so make sure you got the Excel pricing right in your review these things quite scared and and they really should be I mean I've been hearing things that Intel are really prioritizing going to seven Anna meat for their server CPUs to quickly counter I don't know how quickly but to counter the rise in Naples that it's not cool it's just called Naples a I'm sorry I have been read about it for a little while it's okay Vince fun I can't remember that I can't remember the actual full name I just know Naples is there but that's going to be it's a 16-core a and a 32 I believe yeah the top of my head which that is that's getting pretty serious well I think they go to they going for a really big core count to even higher than Intel's I just remember reading that off the top of my head but again you know the server industry as much as I you know like it's where all the money's at it's not my passion right I'd say Wendell would definitely be able to give you a lot more insight into the server industry you know that's his that's his cell way you guys still have to get him back home at some point it just talked to him a lot about that stuff after all this rise and stuff as I know I'm down a bit we can talk to him all about this because yeah he'll have some very different tests i'm sure in his review that sort of no other review will touch on like you'll just be like look do it for this this this is missing you should be sitting back and pale when don't give me more you know that's Wendell Wendell is terribly I mean when with you know as me and Brian are both um tic youtubers we can sort of tell who knows their stuff and who doesn't just from our own personal knowledge and honestly out of all the tech youtubers i watch Wendell is the top dog he really really knows his stuff and that's not to disparage anybody else know the feeling really smart but Wendell is really on to it now well I'm going to Wendell's like the guy Wendell's like the guy who was in it from the beginning kind of like he was in it you know before all the aim DK six and stuff it was fiddling with tech back and like the you know early 90s or what it letters that's Wendell you know soon as he was a young yeah since he was a young kid he was feeling attack yeah I mean this is that this other smart you know really smart people i'm steve from hardware unboxed i mean Steve's and oh geez well seasoned OG yeah he's been gone a real long time sir the Steve's really on to it as well there's this really smart you know tech youtubers out there but yeah that's the yeah because we will look into this more in the future because you know it might not that might you know it may seem a bit boring to you guys this actually means a lot because a lot of times the companies will prioritize a lot of rd especially when they're going to be changing their manufacturing process for the server market because the they can charge a lot for the CPUs which sort of can make up a lot of that R&D costs you know when they're charging several thousand dollars for each see you that can justify it a lot more so much kind of has a trickle down type effect in the sense that though they'll go crazy with the assoc abuse and that'll trickle I'm gonna give you guys an example of how much money they can make off a cpu now if they're cutting money ok let's look at the G 45-60 ok pentium pentium what not it's the exact same cpu on a hardware standpoint as a 7700 k exact same thing there's just things have been disabled that's all it is things have been disabled so you've got the exact same piece of hardware same PCB same died on board exact same stuff and you're paying sixty dollars versus 330 dollars all that extra monies just go on to intel i mean sure if they're doing the rd and they're doing the work then they deserve that money but that's where people question until are they doing the work I we've been getting trickled out crap for years so that's just to give you an idea and same with a 1700 it's going to be the exact same as the 1800 x from a hardware store it's gonna be the exact same thing bph 170 bucks for hopefully a better bin that's pretty fair I'm think that's pretty fair yeah sixty dollars versus 330 dollars you can start to see the picture yeah yeah yeahs with those with the og's you know like we got Wendell he's an OG hardware guy like he came into it you know and and Steve these guys were into it from the very start with Hardware in mind I don't know about you man but I came in like holds a noob in my teenage days I just wanted to build a gaming computer to play games and then as I became washed out like as you get older guys you can think if you're young if you're young at the moment and you're pretty good at gaming just enjoy it because you're gonna be washed up in ten years time and then that's not and then that's when you get into hardware and you helped all the young guys out so that's why you know it's very i pat myself on the back every time I can help a young guy out and you get get him good frames get him a good gaming experience he's gonna enjoy it a lot more than me me now I just get frustrated you know when dota 2 when someone kicks my ass mid one v one I just you know I get schooled a lot more because I know back in 2010 when i was playing mid one verse one in here as a new earth i could school that guy yeah I'll school and guys left front center even schooled one of the pros mid one be one but now I can't do that i'm just getting schooled by noobs so done man yes washed up guys even got the gray hairs to prove it so alright so okay so we got the AMD right this is just a backup article you know how Intel could outmuscle AMD i just i don't think it's going to be real this time I hope it's not real because look we've got the cinebench schools already out there you can't now everyone knows how rise and performs maximum threads maximum cause and you know how it performs so if there's other productivity benchmarks coming out and it's like Oh Intel is just absolutely slamming AMD is your kind of going to look at the scratch your head and be like why is that now so all the door the news is out there everything's out there verizon performs really well I don't think they can outmuscle them through software manipulation anymore i think that's out the window hopefully it is so yeah I would I yeah I don't think it would be that possible anymore not without some big pushback from kinetic you're all white and stay why didn't goes stay wide in that's what we got to do gonna keep a support because yeah AMD needs support now as well so they've got a good product they've got a legit good product I want to see them come back I mean it's good for you guys even if even if you are the biggest intelli fanboy you want AMD to do well because all that's going to do out of for Intel is a they'll drop prices so you'll get to buy their stuff for cheaper and be it'll force them to be more competitive so you'll end up getting you know more power for your money in the coming so it can link and other things like that so yeah yeah you're obviously going to want AMD to really give them a kick in the backside because it will also help you if you're an Intel sample what's the think okay so we're gonna move on now to the 1080 TI its planned for midnight so we talked about this before mid-march apparently now so it's coming out even soon to now I've seen GTX a 1080 s going on sale in Australia for around about 770 strain dolls which is actually pretty cheap it's coming under 600 us so maybe they're gearing up like this release of the 1080i is going to be pretty soon I think it is going to be pretty soon but as we discussed last week I just I don't see myself wanting one of these at all because it's just way too late in the cycle tenis already been out for it feels like its next year's card almost sort of yeah I think it's going to come into a spot it's at the bottom of that article has you know they say to be acknowledged with everything but let's be real we already know what this is going to be it said cut down time XP it'll have probably the same memory 12 gigs gddr5 x I go to mention I mean I don't know yeah I mean I've made a prediction digs I made a prediction that it wouldn't have 5x but as times gone on I mean sheesh they've had so much time now to source 5x we had a good edge I would imagine I have 5x now because just the times so much times gone by it's like this year yeah I would imagine it would so um there's that and I would say I could of course ways the time XP has 3584 cuda cores I would imagine the 1080i will have 3200 something or 3300 something it's basically going to be I would imagine they'd have a 250 watt TDP I'll be you know I you know them really sure about that and it would come in with a low price tag so I think it'll just be a GPU there that'll just be a cheap of version of the tiny XP it will come in probably about thirty percent lower in price and or twenty-five percent lower in price and it will maybe be like one or two frames slower or something like that so maybe let you know a few percentage points lower and that's all it's really going to be it's just going to target that very high-end enthusiast market people that might have been saving up all ready to buy a time XP and they've just decided I well I may as well just get the 10 ADT I because it's just a cheaper version the same thing and of course the time XP sales of just you know go down to pretty much zero once at natt I come out this is very late yeah it is very late i'm more excited for the 10th 6 t.t I like when I saw these rumors on okay 1060 t8 could be real it could be launched besides the 1080 TI this seems real legit I mean there is that price market certainly there for it I mean you've got two hundred and eighty dollars possibly i'd say that's where it's going to hit because you can get GTX 10 70s for around 370 380 I'd say 290 would be looking because it's right in between 1060 1070 prices 1060 TI for a round about that yet 290 i'm guessing three hundred dollar price tag that'd be legit what do you think the specs will be do you think it'll be a cut-down 1070 or a instead of 60 I mean that's what I think right well I mean it can't be that the 10 6 because the 1060 already runs the full power GA 106 GPU it has to be the GP 104 which means that it will just be a further gave the 1080 which is GP 104 then you got the 1070 which is a cut down version and then the 10 6 t.t I would just be a further cut down version of that same GP 104 GPU so now you just reckon they'll cut it down to like a few more critical than a 1060 yeah they'll trim it down more they'll take probably some of the memory off and a few things like that then you get they were just off assoc it's got one more cluster enabled oh my god I gotta get a laptop now I remember that Ted was it the 10 7 he's got like another cluster enabled and I was just like it's still a laptop who gives a yes so I think I love money wise guys I love my desktop's guys I love my desktop side you know I of course I respect yeah laptops out their place but I love my desktops always will prefer them over laptops especially when you know you get these big screens now like have you got yourself the 34 inch ultra wide yet have you taken the plan I'm not the hugest fan of alts right there i prefer um I prefer that do you know I'm sorta I stick to I'm just running a 28 inch 4k display but um now I've tried through a tough test at how many 43 ultraoids now and yet they're definitely nice I just can't in all the reviews i did i just said i just cannot justify these enormous costs that they have you seen the sami or have you seen CF 791 no you haven't seen a wall okay here's a true story by friend he's uh he's mom went out and bought one what yeah that's it like mom like freaking 34 inch ultra wide brush she's got all the specs now she's rocking it calm and Mike that is just gonna look so good in that that's it Perla that's it so I mean this monitor is no joke people come around the place you can see it they're like holy I want one of these so I might have a seat man go take the whole thing for a tour you know Grand Tour do it yeah uh yeah it makes me look lazy sad because it makes me look like a corny Samsung salesman but no this monitor is legit I I'd love it absolutely love it I haven't had a monitor this good it's like a revolution for me in ways it's almost like a risin for monitors for me so because it's because of those cutie LEDs brothers photoluminescence stuff that's what they don't know so anyway yeah so sits mcc TI portably rumored to come out alongside the 1080 TI that's what we go we would no more to in two days time there's going to be it's quite funny they're having them on the exact same day AMD and NVIDIA having press releases on big events on the same day and in video we'll be talking about the 1080 TI and probably the tenth successfully and their deal be talking about Vega 10 and Vega 11 which is actually the more interesting one because we have less idea on what the Vega GPUs will be than these we have a pretty good idea if the if the 1080 is is going to be a Titan cut down tiny XP and the 1060 tis is going to be a further cut down GP 104 GPU we all have a pretty good idea in mind about where the performance is going to be at whereas a vega we don't have much idea at all where the performance you can you can you see how smart in video are is a business like damn this smart yeah they know these cpu is going to be huge what better waiting to release a graphics card right on launch day of CPUs that could be as early as much second I mean damn yeah if they do it's just gone crazy all the companies are going crazy right now it's just like it's just something about this this industry is that it would just be like dead silent for months and it's just crickets and then all of a sudden they all just explode out and just release or there's all this information all this hype and then it then it goes quiet I mean I'm sure it's going to be after March well that's why you've got to keep up with used Prospero you're going to go into the used price performance stuff because it's always crack and there's always a new cpu coming up a new deal at the moment it's looking like it's the ex 3470 that's looking like the deal at the mo 50 bucks four cores eight threads overclockable man that's the new cpu I think that's the deal that's the deal breaker so you can see there's all these new deals coming up all the time that's the new deal I love yous price performance for that reason of course the new stuff is really good reisen is going to be huge but look at it look at in video a that we've know in the past right they've had some real serious rivalry going with AMD but as a business point they just playing it smart they're like okay our competitors are going to release the CPU lineup it's going to be huge let's release a GPU beside it like I mean it'sit's yeah yeah they plates nvidia plates smart man that's why they was a bit i guess that's why they're the best company on the SP for performance I mean Jesus Christ there's good yeah exactly I mean yeah nvidia just doesn't muck around but don't muck around do they itch don't muck around sorry to any Christians out there don't mean to offend you guys sorry I shouldn't use that word that's actually for me that's what and cursing because I've met some Christian people they're so lovely man like every Christian I've come across in my life absolutely amazing people I saw this weird no it's weird man you know crazy anyway so nokia 3310 do you want to take this away because yeah I it's just a blast from the past I mean everyone I saw a hell of a lot of people talking about this and it's the if you do not remember or maybe weren't old enough to remember as maybe some of our audience are the 3310 was a nokia back in it would have come out in 2001 I thought no no would it be a bit later than that 2000 this was is this the one that is this the one that was like a hammer you could double down as a hammer yeah yes they call it a you know it was this thing was like a brick it was like I remember a friend of mine throwing his 3310 at a at a road sign once and it like hitter and like just fell down the ground we picked it up and it was fine and other thing they were just like unkillable and they've got you know had this big reputation of being these unkillable phones my mum actually had the 33 15 which was essentially the same thing to sort of like a slightly updated model yet um but yeah so it seems like Nokia in there uh well they wanting to get back into the market they've had been through some pretty tough times lately if you're not aware but I I mean it's when was the last time you heard nokia have a you know Tommy a real hit phone because nowadays like I've been using this highway and I dropped this from them like the other one in the vlog I dropped that from a meter the screen just cracked and you know the worst thing about it was I thought it would just be a quick take off the glass put another one on Dunc jobs done no had to remove all the hardware out the back and then I found out ordered the wrong part anyway so no I say yes so it's basically this new one it's not a carbon copy of the old one obviously that would be it would be you know that would be funny but it's it's a more modernized version so it's going to have a little you know the old run only had a black and white screen officers on I have a color screen the reckoning is going to have a 22 hour battery which is pretty awesome and you're going to be able to play snake on it which a lot of people like it's always like so maybe empty boxes over the same 50 buck fifty bucks yeah it has a 2 megapixel rear camera and yeah i think i don't know i think a lot of people will end up buying this just for nostalgia reasons but i don't know how well it'll actually do but good on nokia you know i guess they figured well well we haven't had a head in a whirlwind doctors bring out our you know our biggest tip phone i think we've ever released are you going to buy one of these and just make a video on it how tough is the 3310 i think that would be a great video i want to see it on your channel then well I just just by want to show you there will be like 300 videos from all the smartphone and tablet guys that do all those types of the I'm sure they will make videos yeah we're getting sick we've got to take it up a step then but I like by like 10 of them and then use them as ninja stars and then make like skit that thinks they're things dangerous man you through that it's on it's like well that's it like just yeah just ninja stars 3310 like you got to take it up a level why should people watch your review because you're using him like a samurai right yeah it would be it would be pretty funny I think I think that they'll probably this would be a hit with the with the oldies as well or kids that are looking to buy a phone for parents or grandparents something like that I think this would be a nice simple one to give them very solid and durable and reliable as you would expect from Nokia so yeah good good on nokia getting back in there in back in the public eye and you know more on them guys more on the phone news so we got more phone news here we'll just get through the phone use and we get on to the Q&A but we got here the 10 nanometer yeah from samsung yes this is Samsung's first 10 nanometer octa-core I forgot he pronounces i knows deal sounds better I'd say goes there we go sanus 9 chip I'll just go with a little bit of a different twist all goes in us your ex eNOS hi suppose maybe I don't know any race regardless is this their first 10 nanometer so it's good to see Samsung gettin down at ten Samsung have been doing quite good in there as well cpu market they mean they've been doing it got a good job CEO don't know if this will go on the new galaxy s 8 it may or may not but they're saying going down to the 10 nanometer FinFET process delivers twenty-seven percent high performance while consuming forty percent less power when compared to earlier 14 nanometer technology so that's really good obviously what you'd like to see and yeah this this should be really solid I think that the performances is a good thing obviously but I think more people are interested in the power efficiency when it comes to smartphones I mean we're all wanting that really good battery life to be honest man like I'm not like I don't like for me as long as the phone can take pictures call Instagram Twitter and Facebook or whatever like I'm not too concerned with it so I mean yeah it'sit's more for me it's like a meth thing I I mean it's good in the sense there's a lot of power users out there are there at 16 is up I'm not even a power user so I understand what you're meaning i barely all i do use my phone for is um you know a handful of things but i'm saying for the power users out that people that will kill a phone in a day every single day they're just oh yeah for the guys all day long trade ya the guise of Wall Street got like you know that's different chance on body this in less power yeah they got like live life monitoring or the stock markets all on their phone yeah alert this alert that bang bang bang hell they might even have red alert playing at the same time you need us haha some of these guys roll you know so and yet apparently they're getting ready to launch the galaxy s 8 as well on april twenty first yes so this will be interesting looks really like we just have a proto joke a display like that's the prototype shops are the photo i'm not i'm not one hundred percent sure about what looks nice the expected specs as a 4k display so that's kind of crazy processor this thing is going to be the Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 one but i believe they might try put in that new 10 animator and cpu in their 20 megapixel rear camera expected obviously android seven point 0 and six gigs of ram four thousand million power battery that's no joke either that's pretty damn big and a phone the standard we see for a phone with that screen size would be something like between 3,000 and three and a half thousand so jumping a 4,000 but of course guys wait a little while and of course it'll be 16 hundred and seventy bucks crazy yeah i mean it is expensive and this is supposed to be a high-end phone but I maybe maybe leave it for a month after its come out to see if anyone's having bet battery promise you I want to get one of these and have another sort of explosion type issue yeah way that was with a note lineup but you know you don't want to take the risk I think a lot of people will be waiting here to see the results here but that's I expect that to be a very high in finder yeah yeah we're going to move over to QA and we got a lot of questions in this week so if you guys have questions head over the forearms tech city TV / forums I'll be making a new thread for next week's questions so if you guys can't make the stream and you want your questions answered drop in here and i'll try and answer them for you and we got here the first arm everyone's always talking this is a good question from a souris 99 everyone's always talking about overclocking in the max speeds however like a car if you red line the thing too much will it have a detrimental effect to the health of the said engine or said cpu and now with the 7700 it's a lot different right i mean if you're talking about redlining a engine right you're talking about taking it to the absolute max that's ready to go out if we're if we're taking a 700 k especially on air and water we're not taking it near its max like those guys on ln2 they're essentially doing the red lining you know i mean they're the guys who are doing all the work like what you're doing with an air and water overclocked is you're basically finding that sweet spot level that level where diminishing returns really start to kick in and for instance my cpu it'll go up to 5.1 gigahertz this is the one that i recently looked at but i'll only do that for benchmarking if i was running that thing 24 7 it'd be at five or even four point nine I definitely drop it down to 5 100 megahertz law and you can get that 100 megahertz it'll cost you like 50 millivolts so it's not worth it for the power extra power consumption and the extra strain on the CPU so for a lot of people overclocking I recommend finding that max overclock dropping it a hundred megahertz and you'll be able to you know the long-term effects will be a lot better but yeah if you do run your cpu for instance if i get my 7700 k find a way to max it out go whatever 1.48 volt 5.2 gigahertz all day every day it's going to be crazy because the CPUs not only got the extra heat there it's working harder and then it's got the extra voltage to handle its yet it is a one big cycle that just gets worse and worse and worse so you do want to find that sweet spot and that's what they call it in overclocking the sweet spot you want to find it for your CPU and just sit there and you should have a healthy life with the cpu for years to come yeah i think if you if you're really taking to the max here you will see but I mean CPUs last a long time for my spot so you know you will I don't think there's any denying that it may not last as long but I mean it depends how long you're actually going to owner you're going to keep the cpu for like five years or are you going to keep it for two years and then get rid of it i mean it's you know really you know it's not going to make that much difference if you overclock it really hard and then you sell it in one year's time i mean it would be very surprised if it broke come in that way at time hey guys it's gone give from tick showdown i'm going to answer the QA like this man what's happening okay let's get thee let's get on to the next question you just gently man cuz you can't pull up the beard as well as as well as a kiwi you know you know Oh Sees you know that just can't grow the beards properly it just comes out yeah there you go alright guys we're going to answer the next question here Zach's tech turf he says he's a huge fan of the channel he's been watched 30 videos thanks man he's been inspired to create custom pcs okay cool put your link in the description if you want and oh he's gone from he wants to make a video from dumpsters to play in crisis now I think his with here he wants to know how he can get extra performance without spending a whole lot of extra money on the build so basically the specs are he's got an x2 4800 dual core that would be where you would want to switch things up a little if you could run an extra 4 gigabytes of RAM if it's possible but you definitely want to put in a better cpu there to get those higher frames because the GTX 1050 I it's a very capable card especially compared to the athlon 64 x2 so that would be my tip to get some more out of that of course yeah the better the CPU generally the more expensive it is so you'd have to look around for a deal but yeah yeah I'd agree with that one hundred percent that's definitely the the probably place where you'll see the biggest gains given what the information you've given us that's that seems to be the weakest link is sort of too harsh return but you know what i mean that that would be the area that's lacking the most is this yep you to definitely a switch that out if you can to something even just you know a little bit more expensive and you should see quite a decent game all right sue Gaudio Joey says the next question his arm he's turned most of these 3d settings in the nvidia control panel such as anti aliasing anisotropic filtering all fall down I imagine to get a better frame rate with his 1060 in csgo now he's apparently is losing frames after he's done this so one thing with a 1060 should be absolute csgo man you can get up to like 500 frames per second at 1080p with the turn 60 is that the 10 CS is not the problem it would be and messing with settings in the nvidia control panel for the game like CS you should be changing the settings in csgo itself so you might be having conflicts there I would just honestly I just probably just reinstall your drivers and then go back into CS go change the settings in CS go and find what settings they work keep in mind fallout 4 if you want to break the 60 FPS vsync cap then you will want to go into the nvidia control panel and disable vsync manually that's about all I do and of course the pre-rendered frame setting put that to one and yeah you should be cool after that so yeah what's up now that I would agree with that I just it's quite um yeah just what you know was 300 frames on ultra before not high enough in csgo yeah it's like yeah yeah you like this document you like this beard don't you you like it yep yeah man you really you look um you know your gray hair cuz what do you like 45 now that's it fine the grind yes Brian yes showdown City bruh yep pushing you know mid 40s man you know camera baby you know it's all right I'm not gonna judge here it's all right bright we will we will have a you know Joanna do you already go into the kitchen and get your salt shaker I did so so we got asked about what do you think buying windows 10 from the websites kinguin yeah yeah i bought a key from there before Levin legit so it depends with anything out her I have heard of people getting hosed on kinguin so your mileage may vary how about you care what's your experience with kinguin I've never used at that website before so i can't i can't really have an opinion on it but i'm just having a look at it now it looks looks fine so yeah i'm sure i mean if you say it's been fine for you then it then yeah I think it'll be all right you have to be careful with some of these keys i see that says OEM key yeah something guys out there be aware of that that is slightly different to some of the other ones if you're building a brand new system then you don't matter for you that so waiver d he says he's got a spare gtx 660m SI and the voltage is locked so it's not up for much in terms of overclocking so here's where he struggles is it better to pair it up with hardware from circa 2012 or can he push the boat out a bit and try it with something you are I guess it's a general question of pairing up hardware old versus new when gtx 660 you can of course pair it up with hardware from 2009 like even a GGG XO gtx 660 that'll be fine with something like this x 54 60 that's an old LGA 775 cpu generally the the GPUs are lagging behind the CPUs especially since we haven't been getting many CPU updates so yeah generally like you could even pair I'm going to try it like I'll get eternity and I'll pair it with the ex 56-60 overclocked and then i'll compare of us at 7700 k i really want to see that test just to see how far how far cpus haven't come in the last year a few years so yeah so I'd say yeah definitely pair it up with old hardware especially a 660 so there's no worry they're here yeah there any has walls eons that we should look into the into the far future apparently the Haswell Zeon's can be maxed on the turbo on the single or dual core multiplier so you can get a next 99 board for cheap you put a custom bios on it and you should be able to get your 12 core and 14 core xeons too ridiculously good speeds so yeah and then check one he stole the limelight thanks man and then we got coalition gaming any chance you'll be fooling around with any EGP you setups do it yourself or otherwise so the how about you keV do you know there's external GPU setups I up for me I kind of I don't want to bother like for me it's kind of like a bit bothersome again that whole laptop they're generally for laptops I'd rather just feel like desktop setup yeah I tested that in the past with the or what laptop one of the MSI ones i tested before and they had the GPU dot so you could plug the laptop and it actually worked really nicely so I was actually quite surprised by it yeah I mean obviously it wouldn't really be for me but I can understand their appeal for sure especially in the laptop market although it sort of does sort of makes you big the question these days with how good the laptop GPUs themselves are you know the 1070 base laptops are very good in terms of performance makes you wonder sort of what's the point um yeah I don't I don't really see it becoming a big thing personally I just I think there's a hassle as well right you'd off your laptop in your dock your laptop and then you got this big box on your desk you got to plug it all up mother yeah just a powerful laptop so wherever you go wherever you're using it has the 1070 already in it nice and powerful and you can go and you know play all your games know that wii UI you don't have to have the dock with you well the thing is you've got you USB it runs via USB 3 and 3.1 yeah I usually run yeah 3.1 or it depends they will seem to try different things they usually go into the laptop then it'll the laptop ones will dock with sometimes sort of it I can't remember back to the MSI one I believe it it was like a PCI type adapter in the back of it um well the thing is rather thing is if I'm having problems getting you know 1080p gameplay footage out of my capture card over USB 3 what do you think is going to happen with a whole GPU I just for me like the problems that just they far outweigh the actual worth of digital decent GPU and your laptop from the get-go anyway so yeah I think a lot of ones people use with the non laptops use thunderbolt which I would which makes probably the most sense to use Thunderbolt these days but yeah I again I reiterate I don't think it's a going to be something that captures on maybe I'll be wrong but I I don't really see it happen yeah and I'm didn't getting unto it so icebergs actually asked a really good question he's like as a young YouTube creator he all about the budget hardware he loves you know fixing the broken stuff getting they used stuff in and he asked them a really good question he usually finds that he's getting all these build pc build videos with all the broken parts and what not in use parts fixed together they get a lot more views than the normal videos and he asked why don't why don't me as well why not just keep building use pcs why don't why why are my videos on cases or keyboards and stuff like that why i just go all out and just every video is a budget build and the thing is man last year I was actually doing that guy like all my videos every week was just like a budget build and people were getting sick of it see I just like to give my audience variety especially now like I want to do like a monthly vlog we're doing the tech lounge every week and you know of course the builds are going to get the most views but you've always got your core audience there who just love what you do and they support you and they just want to see everything you don't want to keep just giving them okay here's a PC let's build it you want to give them a bit of variety that's just how I think of it so yeah you're giving them variety and that's the best way to do it right and of course you know the companies are sending in products and whatnot they're review samples I get to keep the review sample it's helping me out yeah and so you know it helps everyone I guess to give a bit of variety review a different you know product and then do a budget build mix it up a little bit it's you know you can you can speak for this cave like you know you're doing well the same style all the time you're going to get it you want to change it up a bit yeah that's what I did at the start was that's how I got the name for the channel tick showdown as well as doing what's basically GPU showdowns and people get yeah people do get tired of it they like to see a variety of content you should always basically every channel will have that one thing that their audience does really like I think my channel it is the GPU videos and with Bryan's channel it is these amused pop builds that's sort of like the cornerstone of your channel sort of the the that's where a lot of you guys playing for you know back to every so soft and but you have to have the variety in between as well because if that's all you're doing the audience does get tired of it and I think it kind of makes it less special as well so it's good to do the other things and build those up as well and sort of that's why i started doing all the peripherals and stuff as well and started doing the laptops and then a lot of people really liked my laptop review so that's why I've kept on doing them quite often as well so that that was something but but yeah you have to have a balance and it's fun as I mean it's for us as the creators to if we're doing the same type of thing over and over it is still fun i love testing GPUs but you like to test out other things as well it's nice to test out a new laptop or a new pair of headphones or a new gaming keyboard or something in between doing all that other stuff at the same time just you know spices it up a little bit yeah well that's that mean so yeah we got another question here dirt boy asks a question for kev if you and Brian were to play scrapyard was what type of pc would you build and what can you find a new cell for cheap I think like don't you go it's a question for you so you go first oh ok yet what new zealand's just everything's expensive so and I don't really keep an eye on the use pc part market i keep I a double every so often but yeah I would say in New Zealand's um GPU wise for sure to 90s and 290 X's you can get them for very cheap now on sites like trade me and 280 X's which is the same as it's a 7970 gigahertz edition so if you could find that you know more power to you they also go for quite cheap see and pick up you know I'm seeing 22 9290 X's you can get in for like two hundred two hundred fifty dollars New Zealand then to 80's you probably pick one up for like 150 or someone gave you lucky so there's that if I was going to do it it would be based around one of those 3gp use either to ATX or 290 or 290x and then I would just find some cpu maybe maybe go back to Sandy Bridge and try find it and I 2500 k or something I can pick up for cheap and or 2600 k and don't go crazy with that but I think it would be you know people people ask questions like that but if we have me and Brian whatever do an actual scrap yard was it would just wear would have what we would pick would be what would be available you can say well in my dream world I'd pick this cpu that cheap you but if we're going to do it and we only give ourselves a few days sexually get all the parts and build their system yeah all there's none of those things on the market then we're not going to be abdullah mar always also it's going to say is if we did this if we did this I'd fly over to where you're at and would do it where you're at I don't care like any other person in the world as long as they're not going to drop me in the middle of the ghetto I'll come over to where you're at and we'll do scrapyard Wars you not I mean I for me it'd be so much fun it be a new experience you know so whatever wherever i'm down brothers i love a good challenge so yeah if we were to do this i'd go over to new zealand and would go on the road get a get a car and put some sheep decals on it oh yeah man you can put it like you know your kangaroo decals on it bounced around and you know you can bounce out a new zealand while you're at it um i do it we got it we got to get out of it we gotta get through this eve questions here so yeah we're going to ask about the comparisons yeah we're going to be doing comparisons of course our seven cpu versus cavy league so we're going to be testing that someone got a banged up h 81 m and he says what's a good c for you to go with it it depends on your budget the dual-core the g 3258 will be really cheap of course you've got the 12 31 v 3 which is a really good see on that's for corey thread so there's a few different options there so and oh yeah wait until after aizen of course so yeah so it's someone asks the last question here we've got is over 1700 versus the 1700 x in the 1800 x what's the difference one's got a lower TDP right ones got the 1700 has 65 watts so what's the difference really yeah the 1800 x is the highest clocked out of the box whether it's the highest Bend we still have to find that out but again it's for people who just don't care about overclocking or even people who care about overclocking and want the best bin so that's why they're paying the extra money for me I looking I'm looking at the r7 1700 and love and what I'm seeing that's going to be the value pick how will it our clocks on average will make some threads anyway once this is released and we'll get some you know get some feedback from everyone in the thread about how well different SKUs overclock with legit results for you so anyway guys yeah I've been a big show this week thanks for tuning in if you guys have questions head over to taxi DTV / forums I'll make a new thread for that we can ask questions in there and we'll answer them next week and sorry we're in a bit late I had to get this new setup ultra-wide set up cracking hope you guys enjoy it I got the ultra wide news coming to you and I'll put Cavs channel I'll put that in the link link in description below thanks for tuning in you guys are awesome and I'll take this beard off and anything to say before we go keV oh yeah if you guys want to ice or a few people asking our we can you find my channel just type in text showdown and youtube or in google you you'll see my silly smile come up and you can harm check out my channel i will be doing a lot of rising content very soon obviously we're still under NDA so how much we can do right now but yeah i promised you guys that that is in the process right now and it will be hopefully i'll be doing 1800 x and 1700 x videos might do a showdown comparing the two of them to each other what Brian was just saying you know try to do some overclocking and really see if that 1800 X's may be worth it over the 1700 x in terms of paying that extra money for it alright guys I'll be doing stuff like that first we got to get going so love y'all thanks for tuning in and we'll catch you guys next week on another awesome episode of the tech lounge look forward to a guy's peace out for now