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welcome back to episode 19 of the check lounge and i'm joined by kev how you doing man doing great Brian how about you man ya seen better days I've just had like since Friday I've had these massive headaches and like a weird have had a very stiff neck and so I don't know I've been doing a little bit of research got bitten by mosquitoes like hardcore during the week and yay apparently cats some weird stuff off them so yeah Jesus yeah it's not very rough man and I need to go to a doctor hitch I know and I say well my dad's is like just jack yourself up on bad at all and everyone else's that that too so yourself included yeah it's talking to you before the show but we're not going to let that deter the audience from a good show so today we've got some things lined up for you guys a lot of AMD news I guess AMD news is really hot at the moment would you agree uh yeah I would agree with that it's some yeah I mean with all the rice and launches and Vega coming out it's obviously I was going to go be quite good in that aspect but um we you know it is the hot hot new thing right now so we should unpaid quite a bit of attention to it yeah well Ian risin yeah it's like I loaded up my YouTube feed and it's just like literally like just rising everywhere on my page I'm like okay yeah i mean it is what everyone's covering right now it sort of the main thing cover but um well even on the web pages you know resonance yes everywhere you go guys rise and slammed in front of your face but besides that what else you been doing during the week uh I just shot an interview just saying a lot let guys know once all of that goes live that was really fun did it really great guy cook Shane so that was quite fun I'm be doing some more rice and testing the last few days I have a another rising system i made a video about it this is a system built themselves called the assassin so I've been using that to do some more testing for a video I'm planning on doing about rising and memory speed which has been quite interesting so far so I need to do some more testing with that but also testing with the stock aimed aspire cooler which has been quite interesting as well and getting very good temperatures out of that although i think that's mainly because rising in general is very good temperature wise honestly it's very good I think you'd agree or that airframe is complete I mean compared to kb like it's like oh boy yeah definitely it is yet it is a cool cpu it's the spire that comes with the r7 1700 yeah yeah I got the 1700 yeah and it comes with it so what a beautiful combo what a beautiful it's good man it's like RGB and stuff it's it's about you guys might see pictures of it but it's about twice the size of a stock Intel calor it's pretty enormous by comparison that's quite good yeah no it's been quite interesting out doing that but get that out of the way it's the next video we'll be to answer a lot of your rising questions surrounding different things memory speed using an AMD graphics card all of those type questions that a lot of people we're asking me i want to just try answer all of them in one video and that's what I'm planning on doing if everything or goes accordingly do you have any more i rise in content rosen videos planned by off course like that's the thing a lot of people be messaged me where some more videos with some more videos i'm just getting things set up at the moment I will be switching my main workstation over to verizon and that's one promise I made I think back a month or like on one of these tech lounges I made that promise I said look at verizon's yeah if Rosen's good i'm going to do changing over because you know just sick of what the competition's been doing in ways so resin definitely hit hard especially productivity that those scores were above what i expected to be honest and that's where you know i do a majority of my work like ninety percent of my time on a computer is just editing videos so it's going to be really good besides that then of course a lot of people want to see the gaming use with how rising games so that's going to be something really cool that I'm going to be getting stuck into I'm not gonna be just doing the standard kind of tests where we just look at FPS I want to look at all the other stuff going on minimum frames smoothness input lag all those tests it i guess a lot of people want to know and it's it's really hard to test these things so i will be going off on a witch hunt probably haven't done a witch hunt in a couple of years when it comes to that kind of stuff so be good for me to refresh the witch hunt abilities like the witcher 3 or something like that so go off on that tangent when it comes to rising I want to get to the bottom of all that stuff a lot of people been asking about the the jewel CCX module design how that how that's going to play out and so another reason why I've been delaying testing is because I would like some updates to flow through if I want to test yes I want it to be at thirty two hundred megahertz on all four ram sticks for example so it kind of indicative what of people are going to go out and buy so again yeah no that's exactly what we Hyundai I think the interesting thing for me this time was testing on a be 350 which I hadn't done prior but I had a huge huge problems not so much I think that because it was the be 350 more because i was using the Aizu prime plus be 350 and i will say this as of right now this will probably change in the future as of right now the asus motherboards having quite a few problems a lot of people as you guys well no Steve from Hardware unbox mentioned it in his video he had some problems as well with his um did you test a asus motherboard prone to do happen so I haven't for a while man you have I've honest log and I've been flipping between msi and as rock and to be honest as rocks boards are just rock solid like yeah yeah I mean you you and Steve they keep going on i really want to start testing them because they seem so good but uh yeah that was so i started testing this one and it was just the bios is really like overly complicated in some ways and i'm saying that as an enthusiast but also the BIOS updates i went to updated to latest by I went to flash it and it crashed and then I had to do their recovery by us thing just to get it back to going or us the thing wouldn't even boot so is a big and the recovery did work well so give them give them that much but the problem is it shouldn't have happened in the first place I haven't had that I haven't had a virus update gets stuck which is what it did um but they did what they did will gather other word even asrock warned about that too they said you on for some reason on the aim for its just its infant man so yeah there's a lot of a lot of problems right now whether that need to be flushed out I think there's a few issues with Rosen but I think the main issue right now is actually with the the aim for motherboards although some of them seem to be quite good I mean I'm hearing quite good things about the MSI titanium x 3 stephanie that thing looks like a beast so you should hear nothing but good considering its price tag yeah I mean it's so expensive so I mean yeah you would expect that but at the same time though quite a few people the asus crosshair RX 370 that's an expensive motherboard when you look at the other x3 70s and people had a lot of problems with that so um yeah I think that's just in a bit of an interesting place right now but as far as rising goes in general from my continued testing all there hasn't really been much many changes with it on the be 350 anyway it's still excellent like guys this is a this is a very good all-rounder CPU in terms of productivity in gaming and the productivity schools alone are very very good extremely good and considering the price so yeah this is a very good cpu and don't let anybody tell you otherwise but on the same token you should not be misled by people that will that are giving you false gaming benchmark results or cherry picking gaming benchmarks results because that's not fair and misleading you guys stick to youtubers you trust like Brian myself Steve from hardware on box we verify all results with each other we make sure they legit you can trust our results I tell you guys that with one hundred percent confidence the interest what we're putting up some of these other people of using results that are vastly different to our three results then they're possibly wrong or they're doing something to cherry pick it or fudging numbers or doing things like that at all at the same time is always always going to be this has gone on for years in the tech scene is always going to be people who do that and they get the confirmation bias views and they're the kind of views where people are just looking for an article that says this cpu performs better in this scenario it's always going to exist when but when you look at a guy and that's how I first found Steve anyway from hardware and boxed I was looking at his benchmarks a lot and they just correlated pretty much perfectly with mine and I know that I just test apples to apples no crap involved if one cards overclocked the other carts going to be overclocked or voice for you know and vice versa and so what what you get like when I was doing benchmark for a long time what you get is just apples apples results and that's the way it should be you're gonna make a purchase decision you just want to clear cut or at least that's what I would want I mean at the same time there's going to be people out there that just want to look for a bias review so I guess it's always going to exist it's not going to go anywhere it will but there's a moral argument of that it it really shouldn't and some of these people might turn around say well there they've mucked up their benchmarks or they'll make excuses saying their system was so vastly different to other people's or they're running this without running that so I was like their results a lot of that stuff is just scapegoating it's not them being legitimate if you're a good tech review from the start and then you wouldn't be having those problems to begin with and you would have verified your claims first before you put them out to the public for all to see you would have conferred with other people even if you don't have anyone to talk to you would look up watch other people's videos and watch and read the written articles and see what their results where and see how well your ones lineup well but if they're just completely against the green that 99% nine tech reviewers all say the same thing and one tech review says something different then obviously going to believe all the 99 not that one person so in ways it's 2017 dude like morals have gone out the window in a lot of cases there's no regulations as there's no repercussions for doing all that crap nowadays nothing happens yeah it's sad as well you mislead the consumers that it doesn't matter yeah misleading people it's as bad you will have to you know eventually if your viewers will start to question how will think that your results are eventually when enough people start questioning it so it will change they will eventually you know switch and called out for of course yeah so it's not good but um you guys should all of our results are legitimate we all got the same thing we're all on Sue Ellen skype with each other and then make sure we get the yeah but I mean anything in ways i guess like my audience already knows that like they're all like the majority of my audiences age 25 and oval in other words that you know the matured a lot so they can make their own judgments they've got their own free minds and i guess you know you're going to get a lot of like 10 year olds and stuff that are just hell-bent they don't know the game yet you know there's love like I understand that yeah and they don't they don't have the experience to know that I get three points something gigahertz rising isn't going to you know isn't going to drag off at five gigahertz key be like and certain benchmarks I think anyone with experience in the industry could see that even you know you could get take a five gigahertz sandybridge like 2,600 k well that would still probably well we got so better right now we will actually segue into that so the Rosen are five is actually not the four core is actually going to be branded under the risin are five now so not the are three ya got the ABO 11th on the shelves we've got four new skus coming out we've got the 1600 x 1,600 1,500 x + 1400 i'm liking the 1604 219 that's a good price very good price six scores 12 threads the 100th this is where things get tricky though the fork or even the even the 1400 it's the four core it's coming in at 169 dollars and like I've pulled up this slide here and this is like the 6th Corps is going to be amazing for 219 couple of with a be 350 you're going to have yourself I think that's going to be the true gaming King under the AMD banner there your ass performance probably even knock out the i7 price performance wise course not total performance but price performance wise will probably knock the 7700 k out of the water and also be better in productivity but the this one here is kind of a little bit tricky the 1400 here and it's a little bit tricky because you've already got the 7600 k so you look at the 7600 k for example it's two hundred forty dollars and you probably get a cheap of 220 or whatever to 230 so seven sixty dollars more but you've got four course for threads and they will perform pretty much identical and that higher clock speed will be better in games especially multiplayer titles so and then you've got that argument of the Z 270 versus the p350 because on that kind of 169 dollar price point you're going to want to couple it with it pretty inexpensive motherboard so the cheapest be 350 I can find is the be 350 m gaming pro it's eighty dollars a mess temporarily out of stock but you see you've only got a single bias here the vrm doesn't look all the best you've only got two ddr4 ram slots so you're ready underhand then we've got something like this like the Z to 70 here $109 you've got four ram slots arguably a better vrm you've also got a dual BIOS there and that's one thing a lot of people can be been complaining about on the X 370 line even some of these higher grade boards only have a single BIOS even the time she even thought yeah I've got here is 190 US retail some of these so it's similar to that and yeah it's only got a single boss which and the worst thing is even though this gigabyte one here which $108 they're sold it to the board the Tai Chi has one that sold it to the board as well and I mean if you didn't have it I mean it be okay if he didn't have it sold it to the board because you could just use one of these things here like a bio Sri programmer so you take it out put it in here and flash your bios if everything if anything did bad happen like or if anything bad did happen when you were flashing the bios so interesting i'd say them at the moment I guess what I want to say is that there is at the moment especially in the motherboards I'd say there'd be a rise in milk tax would you agree yeah yeah yeah I would yeah i think the yeah the points you make a very good my personal predictions for these it's very hard to say actually i think once again the 1600 x these ones that you're paying attention to I honestly think there will be more powerful than their broad well II counterparts their 1600 x + 1600 will beat the 60 868 50k respectively yeah in productivity and possibly in gaming but I think once again kb lake will be left alone and i would see that will be the case for these quad-core 83 at the 1500 x and the 1400 I would be very surprised I think they'll beat the once again they would probably beat or match those kb like chips the semi 700k should say in productivity I mean they'll blow the 7600 k out of the water on productivity but then when we get to gaming I mean yeah III I wouldn't believe that the I wouldn't think that the overclocking will be much better on these ships maybe we'll be surprised maybe a little be really good but from all I can base it off was what we're seeing so far and it hasn't been that ideal yeah top out of four key guards that's again of the event where is the kv lakes can pull very hard you know like 76 hundreds people at the map 4.8 four point nine five gigahertz and I just think those fast cores will still pull it ahead so that's my prediction right now for all the people wanting a 6-core maybe they were like like what Brian was running a 6800 k broadwell each chip and they're thinking hey this looks like it's a lot cheaper it's probably going to have similar performance yeah then it'll be for you if you were someone that was in the market and you're about to buy a 60 100 k well look at these you know look at the prices on them that their CPU when you compare it all together with the cpu motherboard and and a cooler for example it'll probably cost you half as much to do the risin five route even if you get the 1600 x and then it would if you'd went the broad well anyway and that's and you know and i run Broadwell e guys so I'm saying that as a broad well II owner um not that that changes anything but it's just true broadwell e is done for you should not be looking to buy broadwell e anymore that rise and has launched now kb lake is a different story kb lakes a completely different story because it's still doing very good and gaming but for productivity users just go for rise and save yourself that money there's no reason to go abroad well anymore maybe some people made the argument to me about the quad channel memory i I really that's like--that's a stretch would you agree Brian like would like do you really but quad channel memory up on that much of a pedestal over alpha control channels even for editing videos and stuff it's not much of a deal so the quad channel i think Wendell even pointed out for mainly few very pacific programs can actually utilize that memory it's like programs i didn't even heard of so so like yeah but yeah that's that's I mean the quad channel thing is kind of it it's a little bit especially for the just the single home and user it's a pretty much null and void point but at the same time you still have to realize that you do have an extra for RAM slots on x99 regardless of the quad channel you'll have that option there for getting us a 128 gigabytes now I definitely know that the people out there that could utilize 128 gigabytes especially if they're doing some real hardcore editing on videos I mean I you myself i use 64 I need 64 gigabytes of memory I have to have it so that's the maximum for is going to do for me at this point I'm so and there's also an interesting point about the r5 1,600 here I mean we're looking member we're making those predictions even just talking about the CPU value for money at 219 this beats the arm 1700 the r7 1700 also beats the 1400 here you put it right in the middle there just doing math off the top of my head the entry level six score 12 threaded CPU just from a pure price performance standpoint from the seat just the CPU itself this is winning the 1600s winning in all aspects even compared to its own counterparts so this was the CPU to get I predicted that in the past it looks like it's more solid now that this will be the CPU to get especially since it's got that TDP figure of 65 watt versus the X version which has got 95 what again you also get a cooler included so really cool really cool i'm liking what's coming out of the 1600 and again copy that be 350 a couple with the be 350 going to be home in those problem yeah it'll be really good man the out of these will do to a prediction a brain so out of these new rising 5s which one do you believe will be the biggest seller just purely which one if you if a company brought in a hundred of each which one do you think would be sold out the fastest well 60 personally I think yeah that's 1600 I just see that as just like a 219 dollar 6800 k yeah and that is a if it can match it or beat it in productivity then there's going to be people that don't care about gaming at all or of just casual gamers they're going to be looking at that and going wow to use that for productivity stuff from my phone editing of video editing it's going to be tremendous so that'll be really good the one interesting thing i'll note from that was this is the maximum frequency so we see on the 1600 x that they say it's likely to be a hundred megahertz I xfr so that will mean it'd be so much what we saw on the 1800 x and that it would be a 4 gigahertz boost frequency but but with xfr that took itself up to 4.1 so that's likely as we go along the 1500 see there that one goes up 200 so boost room see 3.7 billion xfr I take it up to 3.9 it's quite interesting there that'll actually mean it has the that's the most except far out of any of the reasons to come out so far as most of them would only take it up by fifty or a hundred where that guy is going to be going up by 200 yeah so that's not going to matter much to enthusiasts like us because we will be overclocking anyway but till the people art enthusiasts or aren't interested in overclocking at all that's quite a good thing to add in there another you know it takes it from what people might assume would be 3.75 or 3.8 all the way to 3.9 there's definitely another argument there I am waiting on that for call for thread that they promised and if it does come in significantly cheaper think we're looking at one hundred and twenty dollars or something like that with a really cheap and the be 350 s will get cheaper over time I think again we got that rise and milk tax there and once that gets cheaper to couple with the fork or four threaded edition with a mid-range graphics card you're going to have a great value for money proposition there yeah exactly right i think these are very very good is something i would like to do on that i might look into doing in the future is because you guys like the build videos with brand new parts what I might do is build a 2000s New Zealand dollar pc with all brand new parts base it around rising and and see what we can put together and how powerful it could be if we just use that amount of money because I think you could get a very very powerful CPU GPU combo at that price point in two thousand new zealand now building around rosen once these new CP has come out especially will be very very good but yeah very interesting there as I said my prediction right now would be the productivity than those six colors the productivity will be Broadway Lee and the little for cause there I think would do quite well in terms of that the gaming performance will be interesting and once again the overclocking you'll be interesting I can't imagine it going higher than what the other ones are which will hit those it will start hurting AMD more and more with these lower processes well just because Intel's equivalents overclock so damn high by comparison give like the thing 7670 350k both regardless if you think those are good CPUs or not no one could deny the overclocking capability of them yeah well there's and there's that jewel CCX design which is going to hit both the six call both the four core on the rise and line up a little bit of a worry there I would have loved to have seen a single for Korra special on the fork I would have just like to send just one CCX module that would have been really cool yeah it's boots are they didn't it's not a sudden you know the reason why yeah it's just yields men you're going to have as you bend them down you're going to have one core that just doesn't work say won't go whatever it might be a reason it might be faulty or it might just not clock at all might be dogs balls for overclocking so you find out which ones they are through a bidding process of some kind then you disable the cause obviously there will be CPUs coming through that just have to fill the stock as well so there's usually three reasons surrounding yields but then they're usually the main ones so anyway we got here the 1080 TI from MSI is being pictured pretty cool article from o.c 3d and interesting I mean I'd of liked I want to say that that I'd like to see them change up this design the red and black design maybe they'll do it next generation I'd like to see three fans coming out of em aside you remember the lightning yeah I do the Lightning was cool the yellow and stuff that yeah there was a really cool graphics card that was the something I'd love to see them bring that back just full-fledged that was just an awesome awesome model ya know that went did that went really well I mean the thing is with this is it's the same design that just beefed it up so it is cool I mean this thing looks huge as you can see the the heat sinks on them are enormous and yeah this thing isn't mucking around but yeah I mean it's cool when it should get good good performance out of it good cooling but it's not really anything that mind-blowing because you're just adding more sort of like you know with with tanks they say the large tank heavy tank isn't is it that much of a accomplishment because it's just a medium tank with just more of everything a bigger engine more arm or a bigger gun you're just adding a bigger everything and this is the sort of same thing that GT x 1080 msi card is exactly looks very very similar to this and then this just likes looks like they've added more of everything bigger heatsink yeah beast everything up more so you think they should call this the msi medium tank too heavy tank upgrade that's pretty much what it is it's like it's like a medieval that's kind of wanna um yeah this is what I take from it anyway but I mean these these will be based though guys like like the 1080 TI if you guys are overclocking it um if you take a 1080 TI over 2000 megahertz that thing is going to be so powerful like that will be ridiculous it's already a ridiculously powerful graphics card but with these good colors on it it'll really unleash it because remember there were no non reference models of the time XP so this is the first time we're seeing that GP 102 with good custom colors on it all these upgraded components and people will really be able to overclock these guys to the moon and once you do well hopefully oh so yeah hopefully i would imagine so I've got no reason to believe they wouldn't be able to overclock very high I think they will once they do boy that thing's going to be blowing everything out of the water so you got yeah we get thickness of two and a half pci slots as well pcie slots that's that's crazy that's a pretty thick card too and not only that they're a lot wider than your even your reference model 1080 TI so that is something to look forward to is going to be a huge chunk of metal so yeah make sure you got enough space who you guys running mini-itx s and you won't fit that a mini-itx massive man well you might be in one of those like mini ITX cases that poses is like a half AG exercise case yeah yeah and I know you mean no be it'd be kind of cool the way like I always thought it looked bad ass or the people mini-itx it Chuck in these Fifi cards you look through the side Tucson you just see this huge graphics card taking up all the space it does look pretty badass how do you good but ya know that I'll be are we looking forward to starting doing the show downs with a non reference gtx 980 TI so i'll be doing them as soon as they arrive in new zealand we're going to hear the AMD pinnacle ridge CPUs and Raven Ridge ap user detailed so one thing I'm looking at here is with these Bapu's that are incoming that this will Raven Ridge APU looks like it's going to be very promising the problem is releasing the Bristol Ridge AP use which still have the excavator cause it's kind of like yeah I mean with people knowing what's in the lineup that's on me with people knowing what's coming up with Raven Ridge I doubt that's going to sell many Bristol Ridge AP use if that makes any sense like because we know it's going to have for Zen cpu cores in there vega GPU cores in there or room it anyway but it's coming a little bit later but I again the Raven Ridge will make for some excellent benchmarking I definitely want to get myself one of these to see what AMD is doing with their AP use and of course it will go on an a320 really cheap motherboard but the Bristol Ridge apu econo at the moment and just yeah is there is there a big market for it especially when people know what's on what's coming up in the lineup you get on that new motherboard the am for platform but it looks like I can't read that real can't really read the taxi but it does look like it's a m4 as well with the Bristol Ridge APU yes yes yeah like i'm having sex i I'm squinting man like yeah like ah no my dad's Powell you know so it's kind of like the same thing yeah yes oh you got there the handful with that aim for platform maybe people might get a Bristol rich and then say okay well upgrade when Raven Ridge is out but Raven Ridge definitely like talented well Reverend effing looks promising it again this is a grain of salt a fair here like nothing's been maybe it has been confirmed because it is a socket roadmap another thing to look out for is it is it's saying it's ball grid array is that am I reading that right BGA so we don't know but I see I just can't man the Texas way to saw a small headache truck where does he say that and it problems I thought I said it's somewhere in this article it was actually a BGA socket so I mean to be soldered onto the motherboard maybe just for laptops so yeah there it is here so down here BGA package time so oh I guess they got AP use for laptops as well coming that's what that would mean so you do have here PGA socket for a rich ap use as well so very cool things coming out on the AP you line up the ridge road there like definitely a crisis yet skype is wholly manufacturing process vex crystal ridge still going to be 28 nanometer well in 2018 it looks like they're also going to release pinnacle ridge which will essentially be the refresh of your summit ridge and just better overclocks because by that time that would have matured more so very interesting to see the rise and lineup and what they're doing with it but looks like the Raven Ridge APU is the one to look out for here and it looks like it will hit the laptops before it hits the desktops and that would be just a pure yield thing as well so really cool what's in the lamp from AMD and you have anything dad on that all no just that the AP use have done well for them in the past they definitely have their place yeah I can't agree with you more the Bristol Ridge yeah that's very interesting is the word i'll use but Raven Ridge that that should be quite good I guess it's for enthusiasts who don't know you know I mean or people who just don't know what's coming up oh there's an APU out I'll get it and then when Raven Ridge gets out you're like oh I got partially hosed so anyway we got here some interesting news we're gonna move on here the RX 500 series spotted in drivers launching in April and it's making us sad that's what the room is so yeah it's so essentially what we're looking at here with the RX 570 is 580 is rebranded cards maybe just the boost on the clocks bit more aggressive timing on the vram whatever yeah yeah there's really nothing to look forward to hear that much of course unless the clocks are significantly higher so somehow there that which I don't believe they are from what I dread they are only going to be a bit higher but um this is I think people are getting tired of this from AMD that's that's not to pick on them because nvidia have done rebrands plenty of times in the past if we remember back the simmons Ernie that was a rebranded 980 with faster memory my memory serves me correctly in nvidia stillness as well but like a changeup the memory core same d did it with the 290 and 290x which were new when they came out hawaii and then when they went to 3939 TX is essentially the same thing just done a bit more optimized that TDP came down about 25 watts I they doubled the memory up the memory speed so memory bandwidth went up quite a bit which was a decent you know sadly a bit more of a decent revision whereas this is just looks like yeah slightly bitter power efficiency and slightly higher clock speeds and that's about it I don't think anyone will change there shouldn't be any reason to and I really don't I actually don't really understand aside from maybe their name is scheduled they well I'd say it's time around it won't affect them I'd say this time around a buoyant effective because everyone's in rise in heaven at the moment so it's like I've ever released the 575 80s I can make a difference mang this is going to happen so everyone's just going to be in rising heaven at the moment you know they're taking the rise in pili gonna be loving it this will just completely not be a problem this time around that's what I think so yeah I mean um these will I'm just reading references a long time because the thing is you're you're strung out on the rise and CPUs so much you're just ignoring that the 575 either as opposed to the pass where that was the only thing they'll bring it out with GPU launches but with that said what's AMD I mean sorry what's in video you're going to do with Volta we know volts is in the pipeline they've already got that ready to go prove it I'd say essentially ready to go and I'd say it's going to be quite beastly whether they're going to go directly for amd's mid-range market share is is another thing I'd say yes considering the agenda that jen has against AMD like do you know by the 970 was just a huge stab at the GPU market yeah it was I remember when I was released it was I mean Jen was furious at AMD I don't you know what for oh that's right because they AMD was sort of like mocking nvidia won't they answer i remember before that so it was after the memory problem with the 970 came out then AMD moxley mock than basing that 290 and 290x they were saying that had four gigs of memory and they've write things like oh like it really does and stuff I know if it does only before that though something before the 970 lon pissed Jen the nvidia see off that much that he just went hand with that 970 pricing he was just on the trigger man that was insane yeah yeah that's like Raza so that's that's up here but for those of you that were a bit confused in the chat so these 580 and 570 is Polaris be on the same as what you're getting with our X 480 and 470 just an optimized version in some ways with power and clock speeds and stuff but we will see with what will might be called the 590 or maybe something like that and those with the Vega GPUs to be on how they're going to name them and those are the Vegas obviously knew those will be using hbm and other crazy things so those will be the ones you will want to pay attention to because they're going to be we live as we've spoken about plenty of times the specs are very high on them that's going to be a high-end graphics card 4096 stream processors so there's you know just just from that alone you know this is going to be serious well it's definitely gonna be more aggressive so that's what we can introduce from all this so really cool card I mean I'm looking up still looking forward to it of course because there I guess this time around they're pulling the leap ahead of in video with got the 10 series cards out okay we're gonna release top 50 at 75 series guys are going to be more aggressively clocked in this area that area so it's still it's a rebrand but at least it's coming with a preemptive strike sort of thing that's kind of one thing I like about this so yeah yeah I like that also so that's quite good and I mean the RX 480 currently is still a hell of a graphics card um don't let anyone tell you guys different that say it's a very powerful good value for money graphics card that does not muck around the 1080p gaming especially 1080p 60 Hertz gaming that will do you just fine so that's that's really good i believe the RX 470 is still the value for money king and if you do it by performance per dollar or is that that 1063 gigabyte I mean DRS 474 gigabytes are better by I just say at the moment than the 1033 Cuba depends on the games of course if you're just playing over what you want to go for the ten sixty or if you're playing Blizzard games you'd want to go for the 10 sexy but at the same time it's another thing about the ice 470 is interesting you have to be careful of what brand of card you buy I've got the azuz Strix 470 that I got off amazon and it's showing some really odd behavior and that's why I've been strung up doing this pc of the month build because I dropped the iris 470 now and now I'm in the process of testing and another rig as late literally it's you're telling it one clock speed and it's locking it in and it pretty much a hundred megahertz below that clock speed and the benchmarks especially the fire strike score is confirming it it's weird it's getting to the stage where I'm probably gonna have to reflash the bio at the vga blast but the problem with that is but the problem with that is that you can't recommend that to an average user you can't say okay guys this is for 70s okay if you flash the bios on it that's just bizarre for a normal consumer to do but so yeah I mean the gigabyte g1 that I had that thing's running really well on the RX 470 I've had I've got two of them now and they're running pretty well I mean I bought them locally and they're really good really good cards yeah I've been testing that too man that g1i resource seven is behind me over there somewhere um yeah that was as a good blue graphics card harm yeah I think that one was just fine that I tested the arcs 480 have been testing that just the reference one lately and um I haven't had any problems like that would clock speed it seems very are consistent they do have the thermal limiting thing on which you definitely want to go into what men and if you want to use that and then take that thermal limit away because it said it 82 I believe out of the box as the target one and once it gets there we'll start to throttle itself which you don't really want to raise nicely up to 90 degrees but that's what something I've been doing on nvidia cards reference guides for a long time now you go and make sure the thermal limit raised that up because you don't want it to be throttling itself yet it might go a few degrees hotter might sit like 84 but I mean that didn't do anything anyway so on that's all warranties for yeah yeah yeah what happens it doesn't know he people have I think the funniest thing I hear from people is about the temperatures of GPUs I had a reference to 90 that was used for Bitcoin mining the guy bought I bought a secondhand he'd used it for Bitcoin mining and he said that sat on his reg with the the mining rig ah with three other ones or for others I remember this is crazy the Rigi had set up and and he had it like that for months and it was just sitting running at their thermal lummox those things used to run up to 95 degrees yeah and and of course when you went to sell it people were pretty wary but I thought I would be fine and I bought it and then I ran that as my sort of backup guard when I was in between testing I was be playing games and I had the fan just said at a fixed speed of thirty percent because it got turned into a hair dryer otherwise and so that thing went all the way up to its thermal limit or near enough and SAT around 93 94 constantly and that was like that for like a year after being used for Bitcoin mining for months and it just never missed a beat now maybe I just got really lucky but after that I've always thought that but I always thought that a lot of people sometimes you have to admit to maybe my my story's a bit extreme but you have to admit that a lot of people do sort of overdo it with how much they think temperatures will wear out a a GPU like oh wow your GP is running 85 degrees constantly like that things going to be burnt out in a year it's one thing about temperatures if I bought in its really if it's running at a consistent 95 and it's slowly creeping up there generally it's not a problem it's when you've got say a dust cloth case and then you're gaming and your temperatures suddenly spiked and it's those spikes that'll do more damage to your GPU for instance you go from 80 to 95 in the course of a few seconds that's what does the damage because it'll it'll go up so quickly that before the thermal throttling tech can kick in even if it's just a few milliseconds it's like you're is when your ears will get damaged when you hear a sudden blast noise because the protection can't kick in fast enough like your ears have a natural defense against a loud noise but it takes its there is a slight delay there so it's the same for GPU is there will be a slight delay there or even CPUs and it's that slight delay time if it's going up too quickly that'll cause the damage to you parts so yeah temperature does kill but it's how you apply that temperature so yeah and it depends on the good cut as well I remember one thing I distinctly remember when the 290 and 290x first launched Linus in his video of it was saying that you know they do run up in the 90s and these high temperatures and he was saying AMD this is by design that doesn't you know the CPUs fine name these tests at this and they say it's fine from all their testing they've done with it and just everything to do with the design of the GPU and the top call me was like I don't care what AMD says it's too hot for me and I just thought like wow what a statement that people make it's fine if you say it's too hot if you don't want to have like a heater in your room or something else but if it's by design people probably thought that back when like Intel way back in the day you know Brian can probably remember back to this maybe you guys some of you guys can't but the thermal limits were quite a lot lower than they are now like the hundred degrees then we'll limit on Intel chips now and like say things like sky lake and kb like even on as well never used to be that high and in saying that people probably thought back then that going above 80 degrees celsius way back in the day was like that was like crazy going above you know like going 82 degrees Celsius oh my god that thing's like gonna catch fire and burn your home down I but at the same time but at the same time with that it depends on where they put the sensor in the chip nowadays you know it's a lot more high-tech they can put the sensor right near the cause so you can get a more accurate true so yeah true that there is that but but that my main point was that if it's by design then it's not going to be at the end of the world if they're me to run that hot my has worldship my 4770k ran extremely hot with my overclock those are known to be probably the hottest running ship in dells ever made maybe kb like mike de throwing them but the fact that devil's canyon had to come out to compensate on the extreme temperatures that has well was producing I really said something but mine ran that cpu if I would run stress tests and stuff it would run up in the 90s never let it push their h110 cooler homley will so yeah sure we gotta go to move the show long sorry brother so it is yes yeah so we're civilization civilization 6 demo available now with this so you can get it you can download for free have a whirlybird with it on Steam it's also got twenty and twenty-five percent off so one game that I'll probably purchase because it is good for benchmarking too isn't it odd case that always seemed to buy the games and just benchmark and rather than play em are you finding yourself having a lot of that lately um a little bit i mean i'm gonna try play through some Ghost Recon wildlands that's a good game to benchmark for sure but I'm gonna add it to my sweet seems very consistent um yeah as a game so far I mean I played only about ah maybe an hour of it and I don't know it's alright it depends on the game but if it's I mean for benchmarking it's very good i mean it's a beast to run the amount of video memory uses sort of astonishing using about six gigs if you max everything out on ultra at 4k so that's the single bad was it six cubits see that's pretty eyes for 4k 66 gigs it's more than I've seen on a mostly games I've tested the last 1i test they used a lot was GTA 5 they uses a lot of video memory at 4k on high settings yeah I mean there are games but I think six gigs pretty fair for 4k considering the resolution so say yeah yeah I mean maybe maybe yeah it's just uh I don't know but but yeah I think you should either the farmers I mean you gotta admit his whole Brian there's been a pretty big lack of good games in the last 12 months well GTA 5 was the last game that I just got into absolutely loved it it was that was fantastic though yes fantastic game I want to see more games like that come out that was just epic so if you guys haven't played GTA 5 year then you really need to go and play it it's phenomenal I preferably on PC where the graphics are a lot better so yeah for sure okay so we got your next article is the so yeah the Nintendo switch is selling really well this is what we're seeing here and they expect that they'll sell eight million units this year I actually got a hands-on with the switch and it is kind of easy to see why people like it i mean zelda looked phenomenal Zelda's getting good reviews actually gave it a whirl one of the viewers came up down from brisbane he's like man you've got to check out my switch and I was like okay I actually go I was kind of curious about it and yay let me play zelda for a little bit that was really cool like i was liking Zelda and I thought the little handheld sort of thing is like that mobile it sort of gives you the best of both worlds you can do it on TV do it on the little hand held there so especially it's an interesting design it albeit the graphics are the best and you can see that so as long as the game plays there which they seem to be getting robber Zelda but how many more games will be released like that so from a sippy yeah that's the thing that's the thing you have to have to follow reminds me of the original xbox when it launched an across halo was such a fantastic game the original and that yeah people people were attracted to the console just because halo was so good whereas you know that this is the same but you have to have to follow up of course they had a good fall out with the original xbox so was pretty funny my brother went out and just bought the he didn't even buy the console he just went out bought a collector's edition of Zelda now I'm kind of thinking with these sales it was actually a really good decision I think he made a good choice there just by the collectors edition of Zelda and sit on that for a few years cochina yes damn but yeah this is good I mean you have to see how the third the Nintendo has always had a problem with the third party developers so hopefully that's good this time around but yeah I I've been personally played with the switch but it definitely i can see the concept being very very good and I think the sales will continue to do quite well but they'll only start tapering off well if people start to yeah there's a lack of good games in the future but those Zelda game does look very good and it's got very if you seen the reviews on it very very good reviews like that's good also very good for nintendo in that aspect yeah well we got now last bit of news here is diablo 3 the necromancer details you've also got a female model there so looking is looking like they want to re gas breathe some life back into the diablo 3 franchise here i personally liked diablo 2 & 1 a lot better but that's his personal opinion but hopefully this will make this will bring me back to diablo 3 because the necromancer was one of those epic glasses where it was just a lot of fun to play he had so many skills they had to pull off in the right way I guess so yeah I was actually a fun class to play there it is there so that's the other three launching with the expansion have you played diablo 3 or not no I i played diablo 2 back in the day a bit but and i played a tiny bit of diablo one but um i mean yeah i guess i could get into it maybe one day but it wasn't so when it launched there wasn't something that really caught my eye that maybe not 100% my type of game jeff sherman alright so we're going to move on to Q & A here guys this is Q and a and do either of you guys have a be 350 build coming up so stilts has a be 350 tomahawk and an x 1700 sitting on the shelf waiting on a Corsair mount for the h100i v2 so interesting I mean I'd love to look at some be 350 s but I still have to get through my build and also the Tai Chi review and the overclocking tutorial as well so there's a few things are still going to do before Abby 350 build i would say in ways i would be waiting for the price of a be 350 to come down I just think for what really for what that motherboards offering it's still a little bit overpriced in some ways because that that one I showed before that msi one that's the cheapest i could find is eighty dollars and it's not really bringing much to the table there faye debug kind of a kind of slight i agree and disagree with that you you are right in some ways that very bottom into the beach 350 is not the best value but when you look at the mid-range be 350 it's a pretty solid motherboard um some of these let the Tomahawks a perfect example or the few of these other ones you know i think you can get quite a good be 350 but you definitely don't want to get the very cheapest one you want to try go for those mid-tier be 350 s just the be 350 yourself is already in the Tim other words so the mid of the mid um that I think they're they're quite good but yeah i have i have on been testing with the be 350 so far and i can't see much because i've only tested one and the few we'll be testing more of these motherboards with risin and then I'll be able to see how much of it is the fact that was a be 315 how much of it was a certain motherboard yeah I think there are I just I think I still reason even if you look at the tomahawk I just think it's still for what it is 110 bucks so yeah it's going to be I mean if you're comparing it to Z 270 though of course but I mean the I still think they're solid there's nothing on one that's some light and when I look at the specs of most of them there's nothing only really scare me off maybe if I you know if you achoo graphics cards or something then maybe be a bit scared off but um I think they're there they're right most of the decks 370 is going to be the best not the enthusiasts would gravitate towards those anyway but I for the bay for many people be 350 yes I mean that's there but I'm just saying it's kind of like not the safe I think they would drop down a little bit in price that's all as well I mean they are brand new as well you know so we yeah we would expect them to come down a little bit and they're they're sort of maybe there's a bit of price gouging going on right now because I don't know if you've been having shortages in Australia but I New Zealand has been having pretty wicked shortages on am for motherboards oh yeah well yeah so next question we got here is the with the top and board from a Zeus being the hero this is clearly a mid to low-end broad board compared with Intel's e270 lineup do you think Zeus will bring a crosshair six formula or extreme I guess extreme overclocking motherboard at a higher price do you think they'll bring that into the table and also do you think the eight called risin being popular creation and workstations do you see them making a workstation board I would say with the Zeus I like I don't follow a Zeus enough to sort of and I'm actually not even really following the news on his loose boards for instance you've got MSI's titanium which honestly when I checked out the Z 270 lineup it was the hands-down the best c270 had seen the vrm was just phenomenal the features on that board were just phenomenal so that's not mean I did like haven't really followed a zoo so I've just seen them sort of nowadays charging somewhat of an azuz tax where you're not compared to other brands you kind of not really extracting that value for money out there mind you a lot of people do like the AI tuner yeah that automatic overclocking yeah but it done what I hear I haven't even tried it yet before well here it actually does a pretty good job of taking a bit of hassle out and finding how far your mother wore can go kind of thing so yeah all right yeah chat in the past yeah that's out of all of them it's possibly gigabyte one it's pretty good as well but I mean you were doing it manually you'll just be able to do it better that's it but you but ya know this is mean maybe yeah with the asus lineup they have the tough ones in the past those those really bulky ones that they would put out bulky in a good way you know the yeah so yeah I guess so we'll just have to see I mean we don't know what what these different I bought more partners have in mind um I guess we would see it head and more that direction with the just in general because yeah of course the head course the rice and Simmons are very good in terms of the productivity stuff yeah it's also next question here is when are we getting another custom water cooling build like the fifty-dollar one that's it's funny because I've got all I've got a majority of the parts here I've just got to find the time to do it I do want to get some hard tube piping as well and do something pretty cool with that build but yeah it takes a lot of time and you know at the moment is this is kinda like my full-time job so the amount of time that I invest in a water cooling costs and water cooling build at the moments kind of yeah it isn't really worth the time of course I'd love to do it if I have this free time but there's so much other content that has to get done and I know that'll take me a good four days to properly film make the build like that before days full time straight to just make milled film to the video title all perfecto it's not a sort of thing but i do have i do have plans to do one it's just depending on when i get that break which I'm so longing for that as long as i keep getting things like these headaches from mosquitoes and stuff man like is this a deer I don't know man I guess because I've been back in Australia for so long that they haven't been exposed to a lot of these illnesses and yeah anyway so now we got the next one here is the nacho man asks if you disable half of the course on the rise and i7 CPU would that help on some games due to the latency of the cause and the case communicating with each other I'd say no I mean it depends on how you can disable that in the bios I know with asrock I think they had four plus zero so if they do I will check that out definitely it depends on if you can disable a whole CCX module or not so again it's something that I haven't tested yet but and there's it as that argument if you're on a verizon are seven right are you going to want to disable half your cause I mean for research is awesome but we already know that the lower end four cores are going to be a 2+2 design so in ways I kind of see the testing null and void even because I just don't imagine anyone disabling half their cpu essentially you know them a here here I mean it yeah I don't see that happening either but like it would be an interesting thing anyways going for but it's sort of yeah it's like the old smt argument we we had in previous episode some ideally you wouldn't want to need to do that yeah yeah we just just need to get sorted I think in a few ways we'll see that over the next few months I'm sure and then I think a lot of these questions will start to disappear I mean AMD themselves at least with the smt thing which I made a whole video about they said that once things are sorted that with this empty on you should see the same performance in games or bit our than with smt off just not the case right now so we just need to go back and check that in a few months times if that's going to be the case yeah even along with disabling course that we are some more things then Gary asked I've noticed that most the x3 70s aren't featuring to bias but some of propriety of the proprietary name technology like crash less bias or similar names I find the lack of dual BIOS disturbing as I may want to try custom bias to see if you can improve the overclocks have you tested this new feature and is it better than having a backup BIOS chip no I you know straight away a jewel bias is a dual blast for a reason it's pretty much a guarantee that you're not going to brick your whole motherboard or just create hassles for instance when I was doing that 12 core single xeon thing I'd men then I'd load up biases and they would just not work a computer's wouldn't start so you have to go back flick back to buy us a and then copy again a to b and then redo it again so the jewel bias is so so damn good in certain circumstances and of course i always love to have a dual blast there in case the ultimate fail happens and that is you are flashing the boss and then you get a power blackout or just something completely random and it will happen it will happen to someone out there guaranteed someone will be all happy to me just the other day yeah you sound blowout or then you've come of course you got the problems right maybe you want to chime in on this too with your problem the yell that was exactly it that I wish it went to the dual bias it is so much easier when ever had problems of the past and just flick that switch off you go um yeah so much easier the crash less biased thing the Zeus one I think that's actually the term they used I can't remember off the top of my head ah yeah it works fine it did its job fine because it got it was flashing to the newer bias and it just got stuck I know how long it should take and I waited 20 minutes and it was in the same spot so idea something was wrong so then I restarted the computer it was bricked to win even boot there was just in restart loops and doing other crazy stuff so um then I just did the bio / you have to put it on a put the elbows on am little USB and then do the you have to name it a certain name they put it in the manual check that in and then it will start up and be funny for a little bit and then it will go into their crush less biased put than you the bias from the USB on and and then you'll be back to normal so yes it does work dual BIOS instead John to your question it's DSN yes the Crushers buyers yes it worked in my case work very well I it I could flash it back and I don't have a huge you know it was a bit funny we have to use the thumb drive and stuff yeah from the US but having a Jill bias means you don't you have to go there in the first place do you um you can you if you screw it up and you can wish a switch it to the next one and then you want it oh yeah yeah yeah you can feel I they're just forget about the other one say if you've got number one and two and you screw up one you just flip it or two and then pretend one doesn't exist anymore or something I did years ago well you can do this though who's doing the boss and it says just copy a to be just do that'll be today if you flick the other way yeah I can't remember why there was there was something funny even the guys in play tic or am I talking about it they they had a look at it or something and that they said I can't remember if the time I hid what happened but there was a reason it was really really it was a real bizarre thing that was when that those were the next 99 those are next night nine wasn't you and um yeah the your did you test text I know when it first came out way back when has early launch oh yeah oh yeah that was probably you remember what that was like it was like it was bad but it was bad on certain motherboards I'm faciliate your certain vendors I mean I got the asrock in and that was bliss before that I had more problems on the Haswell well that was first introduced the 469 TK for 670 k sorry I had problems for a couple of weeks and then the BIOS updates fixed it so again it depends on what problems are going to vary from line up to line up and my year I've had my fair share of problems with verizon too but again it just takes a bit of time to iron out the bugs and then it gets good so we're the next question so demagogic gaming his rephrasing his question that he posted a few episodes back we answered it partly but didn't flush out the gravitas of all the gravity of what you said or didn't flush out the details of what he said so Brian said the move from 2k to 4k wasn't noticed much and that the move from 1080p to 14 p 1440p was a much improved experience if from your experience that increase to 4k and with it an increase ppi was not very noticeable is this not a huge important point for consumers so we'll answer that first then when's the next question I'd say yes it is a huge point for consumers but at the same time it's subjective as well I I can't have someone else's eyes in my head so whether that person is realizing the benefits of 4k versus 1440p as a subjective thing for me personally I just noticed that tent it going from 1080p especially 27 inches if we look at a static 27 inches versus 27 inches versus 27 inches going from 1080p to 1440p made a huge difference when I tested different monitors but going from 1440p to 4k did not I noticed more of a difference going from 1080p to 1440p if that makes any sense like the I guess the visual quality for what you're getting was a hue was more of an increase from 1080p 240 for to be and then from me personally going from 14 feet at 40 p to 4k there wasn't a huge difference there and I thought of aid for me that's why I jumped at the ultra wide because of the resolution is really all I need even though I produce videos in 4k that's the people with bigger tvs which is where you're going to notice that 4k factor yeah so I see what you're saying you know I do agree with we are coming from in that perspective year the reason I use 4k probably some reason why most of us use it is for the screen real estate yeah I can have a full 1080p preview of my videos when I'm editing them in a quarter of my screen and then I have all the rest of the l3 go as a screen for all the other stuff in my in Vegas so there is that side of it it's very well especially in that in our programs especially in static programs like adobe i don't know about vegas but adobe doesn't let you change the scale of the actual core program so the higher you go up and rest the more screen real estate you're going to get in adobe for instance yeah yeah it does a little bit in Vegas but it's um but that's something yeah I can I can see where you're coming from with that I think most people that go to 4k are looking for the screen real estate but in terms of gaming experience if that's if you're if this was aimed at that sort of 1440p high refresh rate is still the ultimate for me all the monitors I've test I probably test about 30 monitors now and 1440p high refresh rate with free sync or g-sync depending on which monitors in which card you using that is just a joy of an experience that is so good like 144 hurts 1440p free sync or g-sync is just so so good you pay for it oh I mean it's expensive but you do um yeah it's really really that that just transforms the experience I always sit it's the cherry on top of your great gaming setup as having those really good ones but as much as I would have liked to run something like that I need the screen real estate of 4k for doing productivity stuff and that yeah as is why i use it and make that sacrifice for you guys out there to build thing is what what are you doing it for the you're doing it for the audience but at the same time i would say with that first question maybe there's a point where our eyes just can't really see the difference in ppi mm pixels courage maybe there is that point and I'd love to do some blind a/b testing that would be really good results for everyone out there where did the majority of people sit in terms of note yep did the pixel density where does it sit where's that sort of sweet spot I guess when does it cap out kind of officially that'd be very interesting mind you the more pixels the better that's just a natural argument I mean objectively saying the more pixels that are there the better it's going to be but I guess it gets to that sort of that argument of the hawkeye verse is the human eye yeah and you know i'm guessing the hawkeye could notice the difference between 8k and 1440p in ridiculous amounts they could see what much more clearly but again it just depends on your eyes and for me and especially I spoke this is with you I spective with steve from hardware and box he agrees like we all agree that 1440p at 27 inches its kind of that sweet spot so as you increase the resolution you'll want to increase the size of the monitor I think even Wendell agreed he likes fork at 40 inches so there is that argument of maybe PPI caps out at a certain spot and you know and basically the next part of his question is basically as 1440p where gamers should stop I do you think gamers will benefit visually an experience wise from 4k 5k and AK if if they would benefit by increasing the ppi do you think they should skip 4k and go to 5k eight years or eight ka many years later and again depends on the motts either your monitor but I think no I mean if you already not noticing much of a difference between 4k versus fire versus 1440p stepping it up to 5k + 8 case is going to make your machine more expensive because you're going to have to have the graphics card to power that too and that's the other argument that you've got to throw into the fold is you will near substantially more graphics card power to power 4 K versus 1440p and at that same time there's things like there is things that suddenly I'd love to test two is the input lag of 4k versus 1440p which I believe is the thing so yeah I mean it would be I mean it'd be interesting to see that I think this is that I i know this question is quite a good one and then are we only answer partly but it's because this question is a very we could have a whole tech lounge just doing monitors and resolution and pixels and every and all of that stuff and and refresh rate and g-sync and TN and IPS and o le D and all the rest of it q tienes IQ dled yeah yeah and they 7 11 it's such a huge topic that like it's very hard I think at the end of the day I see in the bottom of the question says using 1080p 1440 hurts g-sync TN um in many titles it's very grainy that really shouldn't be too much of the case unless it's a very big 1080p monitor and harm you should still be fine but yeah if you want to go up to 1440p you would have to got tired fresh rate as well because you just go to 1440p 60 Hertz and without g-sync and assuming using in via Coast Guard we should be and the I would consider that a a downgrade personally that's how I would put it you would have to go up to 1440p high refresh rate chasing um TN or IPs I guess you're going at Chi IPS you would notice it a little bit better I think if you're I think your word is looking for is not very grainy it's pixelated that's that's the term is looking for so yeah yeah I could get that it's just this is an end with any peripheral I can look at him on it and review it and say hey I think this is one of the best looking screens I've ever used and then Brian can get the same one I can send them it put in the mail post it over to Brian HSN be like ah what are you going on about I don't think this looks good that's the problem with peripherals it's the problem with gaming mice and keyboards it's the headphones as well we're all different generally there's a bit of a consensus when something's good really good most people can agree it's pretty damn good but um 7 done yet hot stuff yeah the yeah but this is a big a big big argument and I would say that if your current thing is that you think you were complaining that your 1080p Mona is looking pixelated then I would say start looking up to those 1440p 144 hurts g-sync gaming monitors out there as an upgrade because if you're you know if that's your issue then that should alleviate the problem to a certain degree but I that I guess we it would take us hours to figure this conversation out like and it and it's all up to the individual as well well next question hopefully that answers your questions mr. demagogic gaming and we got here next mr. wavered he is he's a this probably sounds like an amorous question no it's not he said but the term point of diminishing returns what is it it almost sounds like you're getting returns but at what cost and that yet I mean that's generally point of diminishing returns is when when I talk about it in overclocking it's where you start raising the voltages exponentially but you're not getting the performance out of it for instance if I'm hitting five gigahertz versus 5.1 gigahertz on my cabbie lakes 7700 k you see that after five gigahertz it kicks in hardcore for me to get that extra 100 megahertz out of it I've got to apply like 50 or so millivolts when as opposed to going from four point nine to five gigahertz I only need 20 millivolts or 30 millivolts so you can see that the the amount of power you need for that extra speed just goes through the roof and that essentially all it depends on your instance your 7700 k it depends on the where it's sweet spot is out i also like to call the sweet spot because sometimes after a certain level of speed it just starts to go stupid so you want to leave it at that level where you're only putting a little bit extra on versus say 4.8 to 4.9 you're only putting a little bit extra voltage on 4.95 it's stable it's also a pretty safe voltage level but you're not going stupid as opposed to 52 versus 5.1 so yeah you see that it costs too much voltage for what that speed over the previous overclock you had for what that speeds giving you if that makes any sense so that's just really like your point of diminishing returns and i like to call it also with your sweet spot is where its kind of yawning yes so that that efficient spot i think the way to put it in a the in terms of the definition of point of diminishing returns what I learned from business class when I was in University it was a fire it's it's basically imagine it like this if you have a farmer and he's got this truck and he needs to load harebells up on the back of his truck and so he's doing it by himself so yesterday it all the truck loaded up drive back and drive to the next slot do that obviously that's not very efficient so he hires on one guy that guy sits in the back of the truck they pull up he jumps out maybe the farmer also jumps out and they load them up you know he has to pay that guy by the hour sat 20 hours an hour but whatever it sees achieving it's so much more efficient now that is he's making more money because he's getting more done per day I'm so that offsets what now that he has to pay somebody else so that's making it more efficient he's making more money even though he has to pay for someone else then he has another guy on now he has two guys and that efficiency continues then he has three guys in and now it's starting he's seeing the efficiency slowed down because he has three guys all three of them are loading the bells and but maybe there's not that many so then he has a fourth guy and now that fourth guy might not actually be helping that much so it's diminishing returns because he's having to pay the wages for four people but the efficiency they're not actually getting that extra amount done it's not like doubling his productivity or more than doubling the productivity here so if you see what I mean it's like why businesses and we'll do that they'll bring honest and amount of people but there is what they coined is being over staffed as having too many people with not enough to do and the company has to pay all those people's wages and you then might not be seeing any extra profits because if they had 10 new people at the company and the efficiency stays the same where only goes up a tiny bit then you pay all those wages at the same time so that's diminishing returns it's diminishing as it's going up and as it really Sutekh as Brian said very well you could be going up and you might need for that jump and your CPU to go from four point whatever it is 4.22 4.3 you may need to add a huge amount of extra voltage to do it I know broad wellies a big one like that's a perfect and and and it's just not worth it because you think like I'm getting 100 megahertz but I got to chuck another you know how much more voltage in to achieve that is it really worth it for me to be putting that much voltage in all that extra heat all that extra voltage all that extra power use just for that tiny bit more clock speed you're better off going back as he said that sweet spot that sort of efficient spot were you we get a good high clock speed but you're not having to raise up the voltage to a ridiculous amount to achieve it that nice sweet spot there and every every CPU is different in terms of their sweet spot and that's what we mean by a diminishing returns yeah so I mean that's great so that's a great example as well so they start pains yeah yeah yeah yeah when you start paying more for less thanks I basically it's that the cost is outweighing the game yeah and so we'd only the last question the Maximus hero ate is there anything about this board that makes it worth choosing over the Maximus range eight again this is sort of my weeks I couldn't Ness I don't try out a Zeus boards in like Oh last time ask for a review sample I got just ignored so hey could / reduce sample guys no I got right yeah I mean I i don't i'm not familiar with these two either adventist at them I mean I had a hero back in the day I'm just going to have a quick quick look here and see but they do look white in the past the hero was always the main one to go for that was always considered quite it was a high in motherboard for sure but I was considered a very good yeah I mean both of these look pretty high-end to me linea listen Magnus the Ultra Magnus hero I'm seeing that their friends is that the memory so if you want to take that if you want the memory to go higher ah you can only go up to 3400 on the Ranger you go all the way up to 3,700 33 on the on the hero so that's ended I depending on your cpu as well so not everything skin yeah yeah yeah so that would be a another thing as I think there's a little bit of difference in a few other places but yeah it's it's quite a hard thing these these motherboards you have to really the thing is picking a motherboard itself can be quite a hard thing so you just have to look at people's reviews CC make sure there's the features on it that you desire I'm seeing a lot more in terms of a little bit more in I oh I think judging having quick look through on the abril it's yeah to you probably yeah I mean we don't we're not that familiar with this so so we can we cannot see you could do better you could do research about them but in the past anyways I've always thought the heroes were decent and the previous ones i've tested and checked out so yeah maybe maybe go with that i think that one might be sold or there 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