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welcome back to episode 20 of the tech lounge and sorry about that little technical difficulty before and that was my bad i bugged all my audio and I got everything else switched off and decided to not give out an audio input at all so my bad anyway how you don't get are doing good bright hey um just make sure everything's going good this time again hopefully should I mean um we've had that Mike from a few times now yeah it's my bad this is what happens when you do a show in the morning you just wake up you you do forget it is my day I apologize sincerely guys I say yes so what's up what's been happening in the last week give me some tech related stuff what's been going on uh I just was checking out audio back man oh yeah it's good now everyone saying it's good night grace good oh yeah i did my another rising video i'm testing out a rosin against the ricin 1700 within Eric's for ad against fraud well II that was just a funny video I mean I wasn't planning on making I was planning on doing a memory speed video since everyone had been asking me to do that I'm checking memory speed with risin which everyone was really keen for me to do but the isus be 350 prime plus motherboard i had would not oak up the memory no matter what i did i tried everything and it would just wasn't happening and that motherboard is a nightmare so i just gave up and made the other video instead which was testing with the RX parading it that's what i ended up doing what we're gonna talk a little bit of that memory in a second we'll talk a bit about that because there's a lot of like just a lot of stuff getting thrown around there and some of its good some of its really accurate some of it i agree with but a deal on the other hand there is like I guess these expectations of reviewer talk a little bit about us soon but in the last week as well man I've been like content has been slow and I apologize guys it's just yeah I going to get my blood test results back today so I'll be able to find what was the root cause of the the plague that i got from mosquitoes i got some plague so I'm still a little bit tired still reeling from it but the headaches the massive like head exploding headaches are gone so you don't have to worry about me my head exploding so that's pretty cool okay you're like not existent again but we'll move on straight into the first time we've gone straight into the first time I give memory and rising so I got spam this length there's a guy called mind blanked a con YouTube yeah he's made a good video because i like this straight away he gets into the video shows his overclock straightaway so the guys like look this is what I got this is where it is and then he starts testing performance after that so good i like i like the first frame like in how he says he's got his memory up to 3,600 or eighteen hundred megahertz and it's at 1t now that's the thing i'm going to focus on the 1t okay because this is like okay because Linus did a video just recently too and he said in the comments to like people said Ivan you got an old boss and he said he updated the Bison he still couldn't get their memory higher still now from my experience 1t 3600 at won t is like really good memory right that's extremely good memory so you know you've got to go and spend money for that Leigh if you just go to Amazon for example and just banging ddr4 memory yep give me some of that cheap you know give me some of the cheap stuff mang like give me some of the values stuff here like wherever it be this start like just if you get the value stuff right the you know whatever if you want to bang in the cheapest crucial sticks grab four sticks of that for 26 bucks 100 bucks you got four sticks or you get the Vengeance stuff if you want to get this memory this is like the you know this is the entry value level stuff if you want to get this and then expect three thousand six hundred megahertz 1t timings you're probably going to be out of luck because a lot of the times the companies like here like try and z corsair platinum Dominator this is the bin stuff they're bending their memory and they're giving like they're selling it for a higher premium because that's why i guess that's a smart thing to do you'd want to sell your higher performing stuff at a higher price so I guess the majority of people are going to be going out I dare I'd say by the value stuff and it goes to say I'd say Darren said 2666 won t because that's about where all my memory goes I've called I've got run-of-the-mill stuff here like I don't have any super special memory here and so I'm guessing that's what Linus used but maybe I actually don't know what's he actually memory used but he got speeds here but if you've got for instance the Trident Z 3600 this isn't too bad for 170 bucks but it's still a seventy dollar premium over the value stuff you're still paying like seventy percent more for stuff that goes 600 megahertz higher and that even then this stuff isn't guaranteed to get one T I don't think because I don't even say the command rate timings so it's a big thing with the command rate timings because yeah 3600 tip 1 T is very aggressive if you've got some of that memory you've got some of the good stuff and now there's a lot else that goes into it right it's not just like a cpu where every CPU that's sold is the same right you've got our rising r7 1700s and they're all going to be the same some will overclock hiya Simon overclock not as good and so within that you've got with memory a different kettle of fish because there's you know the amount of layers of PC be used and whatnot that affects the overclocking as well because you get more interference if you've got less layers of PCB in there so generally the more you pay for memory the better quality memory you're going to get as well and that will affect overclocking so it's like walking into a tailored suit it's like walking into a tailored suit store and then you know if you if you're looking for this kind of memory it's like the guy coming up to your straight away in st. would you like cashmere wool you know would you like would you like the most expensive suit out there what are you going to say keV if you came into my tailor suit store I said here yes I can't get let's Taylor you up a cashmere wool suit what would you say I mean are you gonna be paying for it is all I can't know you'll paint you're paying for it you're paying for it ah I mean that would be that would be nice but um yeah would you ask for the budget options would you say Amen I want to see your other ways yeah yeah of course I mean that Kashmir is pretty expensive unless you're getting it tailored and like Vietnam or something then it works out pretty good but um the yeah yeah you definitely would I see I see the analogy of getting at this to see what I'm getting at do you think the title of this video should have been cold rising on cashmere wool yeah exactly yes it's I think that's a good Big Al Leiter I think the whole argument with it is quite um with these memory speeds and all the rest of it is it's an interesting point and it's definitely something different to what we've seen before because Intel if you guys are not aware the Intel chips don't react that well with the faster memory reactors sort of the wrong word but they don't you don't really see many gains there um jumping from ddr3 to ddr4 we certainly saw some but within ddr4 just speeds alone you don't tend to see a huge difference maybe half a frame or a full frame difference in speed whereas with brazen because the infinity fabric it's looking like it's quite considerable you may see ten percent gains or things like that of course I want to test this for myself before I comment on it too much and because of the problems I had before but that video is up coming but the yeah I from what I've seen and from other people we've talked to like Steve from hardware I'm box who's been testing this out quite a bit as well it does seem like this is something that people should prioritize now with their rice and cpu is trying to get a good memory fast memory that is now but also be a motherboard that can actually handle it because a lot of these motherboards are having problems with it if you're on be 350 for example as well you're going to run into the ceiling I suppose you would say a lot quicker since most be 350 s are limited to three thousand two hundred megahertz memory whereas X 370 you can go up higher than that so yeah it's it's it's definitely an interesting thing it's it's making memories feed more relevant again because no one really cared about it before you wouldn't have people really talk about their memory speeds so much it was mainly how much memory had but now sort of people are carrying again about memory speed so yeah will be interesting to test us for myself well I've already incidentally I tested it when I was doing my overclocking tutorial and I was doing a benchmark I forgot to lock in the XMP profiles after I was doing the overclocking tutorial and yes it makes it like in my case it made like eight percent difference going from 2133 to 29 33 so there's definitely a difference there I just wonder like I'd say the majority of people are going to be getting on 26 662 2933 now the BIOS updates are making a difference as well basically as far as I see the BIOS updates at the moment they're allowing people with better memory to get higher overclocks now whether or not you have better memory is up is you know that's up for you to find out that's up to you to find out for yourself you know I mean you can't just come in and expect a bias update to magically let your memory run up to 30 600 megahertz of 1 T because again that is a very aggressive setting not all memory is going to go to say like not even anywhere near all the memory is going to go to 30 600 megahertz 1t that's a very aggressive timing for ddr4 but tuchi that's what I'm looking out for when are they going to release an update or if they're going to release an update that allows to t command rate timings because that will then allow a lot of people to get to 30 600 megahertz a lot of people but that's the thing within that within rising itself this is what worries me a little bit i mean it's a concern i don't know if it's going to be true or not but is it possible that due to that jewel CCX design is it possible that there's a guess a delay kind of like ECC memory that's already inherently input into the whole platform so essentially one T is the best you can have because don't know if you can have three T timings on ddr4 yeah yeah yeah it's definitely interesting one thing I would say of notes you guys as of right now though this will probably change in the future is you need to be very careful about which motherboard you pick for your eyes and see for you because we are seeing a big discrepancy and how good the motherboards are going from one to the other so far from what I've heard from lots of people around the industry and lots of my youtuber friends and that the isus motherboards are having big trouble guys they just really are there's no two ways about it I've run as these motherboards in the past and love them but their am for motherboards are having big trouble damn they just say order to be 350 yeah yeah that the be 350 is prime plus I was testing was just a disaster Steve had massive problems with his ex 370 crossair so you yeah just just be very wary of them on the flip side even though I haven't tested it while Brian can attest this the asrock boards are getting very good reviews they're doing very well the MSI ones as well ms is doing good and I've tested okay bye Boyd end and the gigabyte seems pretty decent um yeah I didn't have too many grudge so that still still few little bugs in there but it seemed pretty good for the most part what's happening is there a strums little sad thing is I've only used the asrock boards Asif I haven't actually had any experience with all the motherboards hit on on rising I've only used the asrock ones but from what I you know I talked to Wendell he loves his Azeroth touchy like he loves that thing so that's good enough for me to know that asrock are making good boards so yeah in my experience I just I have probably had these infant problems and stuff but they could all be solved like I could all solve them from my end which is what I love about the ads were aboard his even if it does have a problem I can solve it so and then it's no more yeah no longer a problem and that's really good for an infant stage you know processor like risin so in platform yeah yeah yeah it is it is still good i would really like to test these rocks because i'm hearing they are the main ones to go for ya on that right now but you guys also do need to be aware of the limitations of the b3 fifties not just within the mother what manufactures but just in general I you will be I think I I would go as far as say if you are a true enthusiast you will feel limited on the be 350 I'll just put it that way in terms of features and specs you would be much better off going for the X 370 for those that are just gamers or don't really care especially if you don't care about overclocking and you're always just going to be running a single GPU then sure stay to I'm be 315 you should be ok but I personally as an enthusiast and I can probably speak for Brian as well we would stick to the x3 70s personally if we were going to build a risin wreck yeah I would stick to like a Tai Chi i love that board like after after overclocking with it it's just a beast of a board i would personally go for one of those building a rising rig which i'll hopefully in the lake the next two days i'll be building my workstation reek but as for the be 350 I'm yet to test it so I can't really stay my opinion on it yet after I try it out i'll be making some recommendations with it so hopefully it's going to be good i'm really looking forward to the be 350 i think that's where a lot of people are sort of keeping their eyes on at the moment because it's sort of like the budget end they want it to perform well especially with like a cheap six core cheapie core that's where people want to put that I guess all their eggs in the basket SB 350 I seven 1700 or the r6 was 16 the non X the cheap tix cool yeah yes okay they're sixteen hundred years at some that's gonna mean see I mean should we just quickly before we move on next topic just talked since we're ah communities memory here testing rising five very soon what do you think of the four new risin five CPUs you get the 26 scores and the two quad cores which 1a uomo exciting you were still keen on that 1,600 a the nine XX Corps yeah the budget six quiet I thought that's even if you looked at it I think we looked at it last week even if you look at it from a pure price performance standpoint it is the best from what I can see with those pricing figures it even beats at ba it even beat beats out the eight cores well and the good thing about that too is you got let to less cause it'll use less power when you drop it on a be 350 so that's why I thought with the be 350 plus the six core it was going to be that match made in heaven kind of thing for budget gamers even people doing budget video work I mean that six core will be killin it even for video work the majority people do in Premiere Pro and stuff like that will be able to do fine on a 6-core i mean i'm using my fork or at the moment while I build the workstation wreck for course handle premiere profile the 5.45 gigahertz at the moment can get 5.1 bits like yeah point what's the point yeah so yeah yeah yeah I mean it's pretty much like a kazoo coming from a 6800 k anyway or is the 6850 k 68 yeah I got the budget 6100 yes so six core to begin with so um yeah I think it'll be very very good I think it will be another chip that will be perfect for the creator's who gained you know people who are wanting to you know do productivity stuff and gaming I think it's going to be excellent for them especially if they're people that are going to read more on a budget um that don't want to go up to rise and seven and dreamless as was i think stream is i think the six calls very mystery nice 26 yes streamers streamers or like it so i think that'll be pretty good the quad cause i am quite I'm it's gonna be very interesting with them I'm not so sure about them because that's starting to get into Intel's bread-and-butter area in terms of the 7700 k and a 7600 k for all their heat issues that we talked about that is still a very those are still very far CPUs for gaming very fast aren't and when to go down to a quad-core you start to lose a lot of the productivity people because they'll always train towards six and eight core or higher ah CPUs so getting the quad core for productivity is probably going to be stopped making less sense so then the the main focus in terms to gaming and how could they are that and that's where I'm having reservations I think it might run into some trouble they're going up against kb lake or even compared to sky like for example like a 6600 k so yeah I mess we've seen though again I'm not going to speculate too much on the performance that we actually got it I do want to actually disable the whole CCX and do some different different testing not your mainstream testing but that'll come soon so yeah basically if you guys are want to be like the enthusiast beast man on rising platform then I'd recommend going out and getting some more expensive memory Dara you know that way you can get the best speeds on your memory and you know that you can jump on forums you can jump on reddit you can just tell everyone about your lead overclocks like this yeah but you're going to pay a premium for that just understand that's all yeah so we move on to the next topic here though you've got you sent me this year the rumors there's a an x 3 90 and possibly an x 3 99 motherboard now the thing is but before we get on to this really really rumor mill stuff I think even the maker of the article himself said he doesn't even believe it's true but it is interesting to see I think there is some substance here though I think there is some substance definitely does some of it does make sense because it's like AMD have hinted at having a 16 core processor and they could definitely target the market with quad channel memory too right so yeah yeah I mean I mean you got to take this article with a grain of salt guy so you know this could be completely made up but it's cool to think about anyways yeah so if they're that this top diagram we see here obviously you can tell the quad channel memory there and they're also saying up to 44 pcie lanes which is pretty up yet pretty impressive compared to x99 s40 that you can go up to with the top ones yeah i think all them actually accept the 6800 key from memory so yeah that's interesting honestly that will for the average user you're not going to care about this to be perfectly honest quad channel and all those lanes you're probably not going to really care about but for those ultra enthusiasts or crazy productivity people that yeah crazy crazy productivity that's about have to say crazy crazy productivity people that they will look at this and be pretty happy um that's a lot of memory could have in there you know actually going to be going crazy as far as you notes as well that's right sorry just just do the PCIe lanes though that is a legit thing because I know a lot of people use up a lot of pcie lanes nowadays like you've got you know you have someone with a PCIe ni see for example you've got someone with the PCIe m2's pci you know two graphics cards you've got one for dedicated work 14 dedicated outputs there's a lot of people out there with a legit need for more than 20 or 24 BCE lens so that could be itself a selling point for this for people who want to go on AMD and then they want the more pcie lanes i think straight away that could be a good selling point for this motherboard with the soccer day and 44 yeah yeah for sure I think this this shows up a lot of um the X 3 90 anyways it shows up a lot of the complaints people were having with X 370 compared to x 99 in the sense that you fairly had the dual channel memory the PCIe lanes weren't really ideal for a lot of people I give it 2 x 99 so I think it's just filling in that if they're going to be pairing this with a 16-core then the productivity is going to be insane so that will be good also but yeah it's it's an interesting thing if this turns out to be true which I would like to believe it does it will put Intel's Broadwell II if it's if it comes out by then but by this time you'd think it might be X 2 99 might be out and sky like X might be out by this point it's going to put in till in a bit of a funny situation with their higher end extreme series CPUs Intel's really going to need to pull something out of the bag because Cuba leaks going to be fine and still well not about fine but it will carry on however I have very serious worries about Intel's productivity platform um they really need to hit back with something very good and not just that but they with the ex 390 the Andes looking to bring out the other one x 3 99 this looks like it's going to be a jewel socket design which will be crazy Jill CPUs that allows the 16 core processor so well until can fight dirty nuts until can fight back easy this is drop the prices yes I mean that has anyone ever thought about that's the easy solution for in telling just drop the process if they want to compete but I another thing on this am 44 one thing that I'm worried about here is that is this going to be for CCX modules on the cpu and then for your ex 399 you've possibly got your 32 core whatever so you could 16 cores together you just doubling up the CC exes every time you double up the core count that's something that I'm curious to see because I mean to CC X's is kind of like where people I'd say would draw the line okay it's fine AMD we've got our dual CCX design CPU it's kicking arse and productivity and gaming but when you go to a 6-core a 16-core sorry and then you that keyboard is obnoxiously loud to you you got to get some quiter switches bro I so so sorry Isis people in the chat was saying it's some sky likey it's aight aight used to say that but there I've spoken to different people at Intel but they've been quite tight lipped about it but from what I've been told its sky like X they're changing it from a to X so yeah sorry carry on Brian yeah it's just the Emperor will send you over some like membranes or even these creative ones i'm using at the moment they're very quiet he'll do a little typing test for you see it's quite right yeah yeah now that's pretty good okay so okay so anyway do you think it's going to be a quad CCX design and if that's why mental people draw the line at 16 cores and they're like okay well I'm getting for four cores like that's a bit too much for gaming it's going to actually be a detriment to gaming now it's only going to be pure productivity do you think that's a possibility what do you think they go on with yes yes and for John yeah now I agree with that it's not gonna be for gaming I don't know but I think they're going to go with a quad CCX design that'll be crazy yeah yeah I do yeah yeah yeah yeah okay yeah because I'm I think it'll be I mean from what we've seen from productivity from rising 7 um why not if it's designed entirely for productivity why not the productivity scores are phenomenal so yeah I think um no it'll be very they did call it infinity fabrics so with that infinity right just means we can link up any number of CPUs or CCX modules kind of thing maybe they hint into that too I'll be interesting so yeah yes so that's and the it's already going to be quad CCX I believe with Naples think that's been confirmed like a I can't remember but um yeah it's going to be pretty crazy I think um yeah it'll be interesting to tested it when they come out but but the one thing you guys need to remember with this if you're getting a little bit hyped is this is not going to be cheap I doubt these extra 90s will be cheap and the 16 core will not be cheap this is going to be squarely aimed at that high high-end super high-end market see in say New Zealand Australia you got to start imagining this views i would say at a guess we'll be coming in at maybe around the 1500 Australian dollar mark maybe something like that this would probably be quite expensive and x 3 90 I also imagine be very expensive also by comparison to the x 37 e which is actually somewhat cheap when you compare two x 99 and CA it's going to be for those people not not average users as we much too expensive for them well the dual cpu socket design that's for Wendell so oh yeah that that one won't even be for consumers yeah hope you know that it'll be for the industry it won't be for the public as much it so personally is just when we move on here to cabby like X the 70 70 40k I think they're going ahead with this with x 99 x 2 99 sorry x 2 99 platform details so that looks like they actually going through with this for core which is a little bit weird for an x 2 99 board I mean I don't know anyone is going to go out and buy next 29 on board then buy a fork or I mean again someone who strictly needs the PCIe lanes but how many pc Eileen's feelings does it have is it going to have 40 something yeah I think um yeah yeah I'm believe these kb lake x cpus will bring jewel channel memory and probably the same amount I this one's really strange to me I don't know what really the point is aside from getting the chipset upgrades going from Z to 72 x 2 99 it would have to be busier Elaine's I can't think of anything or than you yeah it has to be what I mean that's about it i just don't really I mean intel has probably done the research on it and figured that people want this but I I'm kind of scratching my head of where this falls into their lineup mmm maybe it's to combat rising I guess if you were someone who picked up a rise in five and chucked it in supposedly in the future that x 3 90 it would be to combat those types of people that want the pcie liens but yeah i'm i'm kind of scratching my head that scene is very very strange the sky like X of course that will be this the upgrade from Broadway Lee they're saying is going to be a six core a core 10 corso the same old we've had before they'll probably make some adjustments there be a bit faster bit more IPC gains field things but it's probably going to be nothing to impress so the main thing we're going to be looking for well I could also be for myself than anything I'll be looking for an X 2 99 is those upgrades that the CPU wise we're going to see not much difference I imagined but the chipset upgrades themselves might be very good x 2 99 looks like it's going to coming with some crazy features rumored to have pcie four point oh yeah although I think it's a bit soon since this thing it's going to be coming out in August I didn't think they'd have it ready by then but who knows they might surprise us that might be there on ace up their sleeve at Intel so X 2 99 should be coming out soon and it's been a long time since broadwell they sang August I spoke to a rep it until he told me August as well someday it almost seems like when it's coming out but if it does include pc a four-point-oh that will be a very good selling point then um but do not okay like not a game as though I don't really think like maybe maybe maybe I mean maybe if you're looking for like super future-proof kind of thing like is the way the way the graphics card industry is going we've been seeing every year like gains men gains on gains that's why the 10 ATT I'll go look at this custom bad boy lee that half the backplates missing that's how that's how that's how unorthodox I am but I've ready tested this thing it's so good i used a thermal grizzly on it really like awesome it's so good i don't recommend doing it at all but just you know why not kind of thing it's actually pretty cool up the video coming up soon probably in the next couple of days but where was that going so yeah the way that yet and i gave that a good review cuz they grabbed the gains they're on the graphics cards so maybe pcie for kinder could make some sense because the gains man which every year we're seeing massive massive gains bang bang more MORE as opposed to CPUs we're not seeing that it's just like little trickle little trigger well yeah it's like it's like so it's like someone's standing on the hill and like this like you know just heaps of people begging for coin and he's like just trickling out you know like one cent pieces like you know like that sort skirts what's going on this is people want more and they're just not getting it fit on the grammys card market you know that's like this standard on the top is just rolling out a hundred dollar bills you know so yeah yeah no I get that that's quite the one thing that's interesting about Intel is it seems like they're overlapping wouldn't you agree a lot of their product lines seem to be overlapping each other we've seen it with the like these key be like ease or okay be like X was it yeah Katie like X i should say that's sort of an overlap with their obviously their normal kb lake 7700 KS and stuff but also we've seen it you cover this quite a lot brian they overlap with the i3's and the Pentiums yeah it's a funny thing intel's doing right now it's like they're trying to over saturate the market and they don't mind if they overlap their own products with it yeah well i mean see they're probably seen as well a sale within our own companies better than a sale to the competition so they're probably like the g 45-60 honestly that that hit really hard i don't think that's going anywhere to i think for 2017 that cpus already cemented like wow you know you recommend that thing it's not going to get a whole lot better than that for budget budget and gaming because it's such little paws sips power it doesn't even use that much power can be coupled with a real cheap motherboard some cheap memory and it's going to perform really well for a budget game old someone look into place and sears go dota 2 and get good frame rates and even play some of the latest titles absolutely no problems especially the popular titles you have no problems with that thing so that was where they really hit hard what I'm waiting to see though is more now now that AMD have stepped up I'm waiting to see more competition in there mainstream for core market I'm waiting to see because this is shaking it up it's going to be shaking it up regardless when those are fives drop that's going to shake things up again the r7 is already shaking things up when the are five drops it'll shake things up again regardless because people want to try something new so until have to do something new to and I mean they will be doing that with a 6 quart cannon lake and wait other actually that's one of the probably the most curious parts i'm waiting for from Intel but other than that they kind of have to change things up again maybe even a three core six thread-like dare I'd say if they could do that that'd be pretty cool yeah I mean that would be interesting I think it sells naming scheme is also very confusing now they have copy coffee lake and cannon lake so if you guys are confused between the two coffee lake will be pretty much another optimization over what we got from a QB lake so if you remember back if you guys can ruint too broad well II which are broad well I should say um that dropped us down to 14 nanometer then sky lake which was again bots in an Amir now kb lake also 14 nanometer and then we'll have coffee lake also 14 a mexico boy so we got broad well II I mean sorry broadwell Broadway Kylie what's in Cabul it so we getting cool we getting fourth generation or on 14 nanometer so usually it was the change the shrink and in the optimization then a shrink than the optimization now you've had shrink and three optimizations and then we go to Cannon lake which will be 10 nanometer and you'll get yours so is it coffee like there because they came out with this new like tic toc toc thing forgot what they call it exactly but it's our top yeah yeah but now now like they gonna have to go back and change it again ticking talking to talk that's what they should call tickety toc toc also like that I understand that from people have heard around the industry and that they're having a lot of trouble it's not just Intel but they're having a lot of trouble at 2 nanometer and seven nanometer as well going forward on they're having a lot of trouble so I think maybe let's do it Moore's law but it's I they're just having trouble like and and so I think until instead of just waiting to get it right and drop down they feel like they have to release new CPUs in which case they're stuck that they can only optimize on 14 nanometer so they're just keeping on doing it and I just don't see because when cable it came out I mean we all covered it well me and Brian all the ticker he has covered it and honestly we weren't blown away there's some cool things kebbi leaks okay but I mean it's not like when it came out we're all super hyped I think most of us just kind of begrudgingly went out and did all our videos on it it wasn't like raisin where we're very excited because it was so new and I think that'll be the same with coffee like it'll come out all the tech reviews will begrudgingly go over and do their reviews on it but honestly guys you can't expect there to be much difference at all you'll probably see five percent performance gains if that and you know maybe some other features but i highly doubt it honestly it's i don't know it might be okay but i'm sure i mean sure opera sure but what judge do you agree me or do you disagree I mean yeah like I I'm a gray I think Moore's law was finished ages ago like I mean we all thought Intel was just trickling I mean they might just be trickling but I think there's actually legit problems in shrinking that node there's legit problems there I think that's being confirmed by not just into a lot of other companies have had so many delays over the last few years so you know is it the point of oblivion for tech enthusiasts do we need something radically new that graphene technology gee there's a quantum mechanics coming into the whole play quantum processor and stuff like that so there are a few things but that's going to be a radical change and that ain't coming anytime soon for mass release like hell no so you know it's a tricky spot it's difficult yeah it is and kb like as well as before you know well no there were no I pc games i tested this in my video where it did the simnet 600k against the 6600 k I caught them at the same speed and everything was the same like performance wise everything was the same cable a only makes up that performance because of its higher clock speeds which is a good thing and I'm not taking that away from it but what's coffee like going to bring are they really going to raise the clock speeds that much higher again is it going to be what I predict personally would be probably the best thing Intel could do is make coffee like like devil's canyon when that came out um Brian or remember this and some of you guys might be but deal was Canyon was pretty much the same as has well the only thing they changed was they changed the thermal interface material to a much better one that lower temperatures they bumped up the clock speeds and they also added some more capacitors I think to it because as well was so funny with power you needed very clean power we've got very grumpy and I think maybe that will be what they try with coffee league they maybe they might change the thermal interface material so people will keep your legal a cold voice finally if they're too scared to deal it and maybe just make it a bit more power efficient and maybe give you guys some better APC but such on that I'm not actually that sure where and so can go on 14 nanometer right now it seems like they've kind of back themselves into a corner and some but it's not it's not as Intel though it's the industry now the the x86 industry now is kind of getting forced into a checkmate where it's the only option really now is to go with more cause more threads I think now is the crucial time where they're going to be saying like look man if you want to get gains we want to sell CPUs we're probably gonna have to back developers and start optimizing things from cause more threats so then we can go that route and we can sell more cause more threats because that's how the industry is no one's going to keep buying why do you think they look at the used price performance segment it's just shot up like people use parts people just buying these parts because of these gains are so little over generation over generation the use parts of becoming so much more attractive but we look at that and we're going to say okay where can the industry go for the next 5-10 years I think logically that it's only can go with more cause more threads now that is very difficult for the developers to do they can't just whip up this magic program that now runs on so many threats especially for games especially for games so where are we going to go I think we're kind of getting forced now to go to more cores more threads so with that said you know you rise in our seven for exams got eight core 16 threads but yeah that's a good way to go but then you've got that whole future proofing argument will rise in that in itself is only going to get better so maybe if you if you want to use an eight-core in the future when a lot of the games are getting made fate cause 16 threats for example just hypothetically bye-bye it when it happens kind of thing for now just wait for the Orizon are three or cheap for core until the game start my charity games start using eight cores for example so yeah I mean yeah I just see the industry going with the more cores more threads now I think it's like a forced checkmate kind of route now due to this little gains and radical radically different technology is going to take time so yeah it's interesting where the industry is going but it's no it's nothing just you have shits and giggles about because it's serious you know where are we going to get it exactly right that's what I means so I feel like going forward this year I'm really only honestly the only thing from Intel that's really got me interested is X 2 99 um I am very interested to see what they do with that but aside from that hmm i don't know i guess scale like x depending on what they bring but for the consumer line up here it's going to be this just not the hell of a lot to get excited about guys unfortunately ah yeah what's kind of like cars in the early 90s kind of like cars you know sports cars in the early nineties the Japanese or the early eighties whatever Japanese had the turbos out there everything was just getting absolutely coming along so well until the 90s and then like bang you kind of hit a brick wall you know and you just got all these aftermarket stuff like that but yeah kind of like the same has happened in CP years you need something radically new and that's going to take time so we've got here Vega now you want to talk about Vega around the corner and stuff like this when we're getting teased but this time around we've got different memory configurations I think that's the main focus yeah yeah so MDS vice president and general manager of gaming said that the adding and inboard partners CEO people like Giga by Zeus and Messiah all those guys will have the freedom to configure Vega graphics cards with different memory capacities so they're talking about four gigs and eight gigs but also will be going up to 16 gigs so that will be of hbm to um yeah that'll be interesting that's I I would imagine you'll see probably on the Vega 11 which is going to be the smaller one I it's at the yeah that that will probably only go up to eight I would imagine and maybe the beggar ten got to 16 but it is interesting because a few of us out there were a little bit concerned thinking that the maximum was eight which is ah that's fine 88 is dimly a lot of vram but is it super future-proof I mean the GTX 1080 runs eight so dis offense 70 and that is a good amount but I think there's people out there that want that super future-proof or they just want more and they would like it especially if these are going to be coming in with quite a high price tag that may you know be an issue for them but personally yet if they come with eight I think that will be just fine I've never run into I think people often overestimate how much the video memory you need I run a 4k display I play all my games at 4k on very high settings and the highest I've ever seen v ram usage out of any game I've tested is Ghost Recon wildlands at 4k ultra and that used five point six gigs so still had quite a bit of headroom there and that is a game which is extremely poorly optimized at the stage so I'm especially in that regard so I think a lot of people especially the game is so in the game at 1080p 1440p which is the vast majority of guys there's only like one percent of gamers game at 4k according to steam so eight gigs is going to be plenty for you guys maybe the four key gamers maybe they'll want to go to the 16 but for all your other guys eight is going to be plenty take it from me I do the testing I look at see how much you need um yeah it's the they you can also take off some of some things just add a lot to the video memory and don't really give you much better of an experience so you can always think things like um let's filter some stuff like that tend to chug up quite a bit um but yeah if you guys need it sure go for 28 63 [Laughter] what's up that's 28 degrees in here and then I just wanted to say 16 ah 16 gigabyte spend like okay so I don't know ma'am I've had different experiences at 4k I think I've had some different I I think there will be I've seen more than 5.5 you byte savvy ram usage definitely I've seen any people are saying GTA 5 that's yeah their eyes I did play but I don't test in that does that actually use that much I've okay I can retest but I remember 1440p is getting some pretty high v ram usage yeah that's why I'm thinking so like 5.5 the matches up for I'm sure I've seen higher than that man even for instance like black ops 3 back when I was playing for cafergot how much that used exactly but I mean 8 gigabytes is fine for now but again someone spending this amount of money on a graphics card wants it to last I dare I'd say two years three years I'd say two years is kind of like the medium at least someone who's spending this much money on high-end card would want it to last two years so is eight gigabytes going to be enough for the next two years of 4k gaming I would say maybe right there's a there's you know there might be some really good games that come out that might need more like for having a good experience because we know the higher resolution you go the more vram you're going to need it's a natural thing so I mean the 16 gigabyte option might be good yeah yeah I get what you're saying my point is is that eight gigs is enough because the vast majority women speaking purely just about the 4k gamers yeah then I would agree with you then maybe would definitely want to trend towards the 16 my point is is that very few people actually game at 4k most of the gamers out there are at 1080p or 1440p um or maybe they're on subtly of it I'd say a small amount as well are on the ultra whites but the for those people I mean to EP gaming 8 gigs is just heaps and the same at 1440p for 4k and the people running ultralights let 3440 x 1440 maybe they would shrink towards those big ones as well the 16 but um yeah I guess I guess it's the main point is though is that regardless of the argument it's good that they give you this many options rather than things like the 1080 where you only get one option and this would be good for those that can then pack depending on the resolution their game at which hat which amount of memory they want and probably save themselves some money so if they're a 1080p gamer they could just go with the eight gig or even potentially the four gig and save themselves some money that way whereas the 4k gamers can go all the way up to 16 so I think that's pretty good that will arm well they've got a very good Vega 10 GPU died in the picture there and they also saying the vague 11 the cut-down version of Vega 10 will be available in laptops and notebooks this is really cool I'd love to see it AMD bringing some competition to Nvidia in the notebook department so that's pretty cool something to look forward to their on this next I'll be here we've got every custom model of GT x 1080 TI revealed so this is kind of like a topic that we've showed now we've got EVGA they're bringing out their pretty sexy for the wind 3 that looks pretty good which one's your favorite out of these cards give um how to say I would probably be no 3d is not that thing looks hideous man like it looks like it looks like someone I love it's like a cyborg it's like a Frankenstein thing it's like they'd like head to spare parts around the factory and they're like oh we'll just put it all together and like this is the cooler we came up with um it's the cyborg looking think I don't know that EVGA looks pretty sexy I would say yeah the gigabyte horas I think might look aright as well the back looks quite cool though that sort of looks like a g1 gaming that's crazy I wouldn't I would very much expect that there'll be that Google by oras one but they'll be gigabyte extreme gaming and that would be really cool to see that'll be a big boy um but out of those like yeah I say probably that the EVGA or possibly the easiest one well it looks like so Jack and gigabyte may be key but to its so Tiger definitely using it fat PCB I love that on graphics cards those real fat like the Strix you know that's something that's cool zotac ado on that that's a really cool design i like the fatter PCB i'm a big fan of it and you know because you can get them lower cooler sort of thing a flatter cooler so then you got the founders edition i reviewed that was pretty decent of course if you're going with the blower type if you like the blower type cool or blow narrow the case then that's all they're so yeah good for running multiple GPS but uh so yeah I think this would be quite quite interesting the gigabyte one I they will bring out an extreme gaming i'm ninety-nine percent sure and that thing will be a beast man most of the topping cards i've tested in the past when I we go back to and you always gonna happens I knew it was gonna happen someday someone's just going to mow the lawns in the background it's happened today I can't hear anything I guess that's good right okay so do we want to move on to QA and let us know guys watch it what is your favorite upcoming 1080 model that'd be cool to hear so we've got here the first question from the forums here from hungary have either of you tested AMD Radeon ramdisk for production and gaming and is it worth buying no I haven't tried it yet ramdisk i'm not going to be using because i utilize all my 64 gigabytes of memory for when I video edit in 4k I need that all for video editing so it's doing itself if I start loading up stuff in the ramdisk yeah I could only imagine the problems I'd start having that's just me personally have you tried AMD Radeon ramdisk no I only at 32 gigs of Dominator platinum or is it something drive you actually have new by a vote of MSI's ram disk and stuff on there i actually haven't tried radeon ramdisk so i don't exactly know what it is i'd have to look into that more but yeah i personally I just have the memory that I need and I don't use anymore but definitely for someone getting to 32 gigabytes and a gaming system for example if they want to get their favorite games into their ram that'd be pretty interesting I mean but the thing is like the fastest SSDs will load up nvme drives will load up your games so fast anyway so it's is it worth it kind of thing you know I mean I got us Intel sim 50 series envy me so you know yeah you gave last few games just like that so yeah so we have the next question here what is the better buy a decent air cooler or a 120 ml water cooler in a push-pull config and he's got the easy on w 3670 i believe is the six core and I have been able to get it to foggy goats on a hyper 212 evo which overheats yeah the hyper 212 is I mean award a 120 ml will do a better job than I hyper 212 evo and especially in push pool and these people ease PC doesn't have the clearance for a 240 ml rad either I mean yeah any like the 212 evo was essentially designed for mainstream CPUs I don't think it was designed for like heavy overclocking on a 6-core so you know it's a bit sort of beyond that i mentioned i think he is right that the 120 mill water cool and push pull the one thing you want to look for with them is the thickness because you can get very thin ones and you get very thick and you want the the thicker radiator mostly holds more coolant and that's good but make sure you have the clearances there if you're going to be mounting it to the back of your case you can run into problems with it heading if you have tall memory or japan how how its laid out um you can run into some clearance problems there so definitely check that first before you invest especially in push-pull with a thick one they can you know take it takes up a lot of room so be aware of that first but a big air cooler like some of the crazy not to ones they can be very good also but yeah yeah it just depends on clearance with those yeah so well the thing is the next question here so leaflet says arm what are we getting more love on the forms okay I'll start plug in the forms more i plug it on every week on the tech lounge so you guys go to tech seed on TV go on the forums awesome place question number two any plans on doing more fun videos like your ram motherboard and cpu drop tests the static tests to use parts hunting and such it feels like this is turning into another tech channel aside from the used builds yes and no i mean the thing is i like I used to do a lot of that stuff when I had a full-time job in Japan like I was getting good money over there and so I had like I just I'd loved it as a passion and you know like I offered a patron i'm not going to whinge or anything like that but you know i offered a patron and like just for example I okay so yeah a hundred and eight bucks per month i'm getting a hundred eight but i can't live off that guy's i can't live off 108 dollars per month and do all used builds and stuff like that like how do i live you know i mean so in ways i have to do if i want to keep doing tech where I can go out and find a job as well that's fine but the if I do a go and find a job the used parts honey and stuff like that it'll be a lot slower because i'll have to work a lot more in australia because my job in Japan was pretty flexible like I didn't work a whole lot like it was a full-time job that I still went to work from like eight to four and that was it kind of thing like I just came home I had all this free time I live like two minutes around the block so I had so much more free time than I would if I have to get a job here after drive to work come home so the video is even what you see now with the years price performance stuff on the channel it'll still be at the same pace if I go out and get a job and turn my channel back into just use parts hunting and stuff like that so I'm in a bit of a dilemma because I can't live off 108 bucks per month so you know as much as I want to do that stuff I want to keep doing the unorthodox tough this is it's going to calm like you're going to see something like this very unorthodox I'm going to be keep going to bring that video out very soon I bring marches pc vlog out very soon but again guys like my plate is pretty full I don't I spent so many hours every day on the channel editing making videos and stuff like that it's a hard gig at the end of the day I did actually a podcast with chris from corset we did a actually more of a business in games sort of podcast i'll put the link in the description below if you guys want to watch it whether we go through a lot of things and you know it's not easy at the end of the day it's not easy at all like you know in ways it's kind of like I kind of wouldn't mind just going back to going out there and just working every day and having a lot more free time to just play video games and enjoy my tech because of the moment just working like I'm doing like 14 hour days man I don't stop like yeah it did what it doesn't really stop that's kind of let the problem with it is that you if you have a standard job one that you can leave it the other day you just walk out the front door and you forget about it come home and you just do whatever you want you don't to think about it with YouTube I'll that's why you're seeing a lot of tech future or just youtubers in general now having officers for making videos rather than doing it at home because then you can somewhat do that otherwise it feels like you're constantly just doing YouTube you know you're constantly I I don't like looking at his work because it's too much fun so I looking at is like a there's a hobby I supposed to put the they the thing is is that you you're constantly doing it it doesn't really stop so that that can be quite difficult and I think the other thing a lot of you guys forget is that different videos take different amounts of time to make so I would imagine things like use parts hunting and stuff doing all those videos and doing a full build with it you know going out getting the parts making the vlog then doing the build and stuff like that it's probably a lot more time consuming than other types of videos so that's why I think all you guys assume that every type of video we do takes the same amount of time some videos take me three times as on and to make in terms of the whole process then other ones for example a laptop review for me takes me about three times as long as it does to do say a keyboard review or something like that it just just it's a much more silent monumental video to tack or when I have to do it so those videos don't come out as often because they take up so much of my time to get done yeah so it says yeah the other day it's kinda like catch-22 I know the viewers love that staff and a notes makes me very different but same time I can't live off it you know what I mean like I'd love to yeah just can't live off of the it's like I sell a pc i make a hundred bucks it's like okay though by me you know foot baked beans for a week so and gas put gas in my car and stuff like that so it's it's hard man it's hard it is the hard gig end of the day it's not lead so especially nice especially in odds and new zealand right the cost of living here is is through the roof when we compare like just phenomenal me yes so it being at being a youtuber in general and australia and new zealand is like doing YouTube on hard mode everything is more difficult like especially take you to it with the weight like I think billion years for everything to arrive virtual where you know it's just it's just like doing it on hard mode you your cost of living is way higher so it's like costs a fortune as well it's just it's much more difficult here it is pretty funny though that's true yeah YouTube on how to extreme difficulty sir go to the next question what is a safe temp for the Northbridge on an x58 motherboard is getting over 80 degrees at all that's that's pretty hot man on msi x58 pro so you got to lower that because that'll help with overclocking as well that's actually a piece of silicon as well that is subject to the silicon lottery just like the X 5650 you got there but it would be yeah it could very well be a reason why you're struggling to get more than a three point eight gig oh it's over clock on your ex 5650 definitely I would you'd have to take like I've done it in a lot of my builds in the past you take off that heat sink you clean off the thermal pastes I wouldn't recommend sanding it down actually in hindsight that was stupid I got lucky that that still worked actually because I'll speak into some people who are very you know in extreme enthusiasts and they like to do that was a stupid move um it was you know but there's still worked in the end which I was lucky but yeah ladies I mean so I'd recommend getting like something that's from her or something and just getting off that old thermal paste getting like a plaster pit or a USB plastic whatever you know a just something plasticky getting off that old thermal paste putting some new stuff on there putting that northbridge heatsink back on and then where you go you should notice a difference you should be looking sitting it around I think it's around like 55 to 65 on idle depends it does get very hot anyway but 80s way too hot so next question I assume you have shipped a lot of pcs do you use any special packing message methods now I just like the because I get like cases in I just use the old case boxes and so pack it in there and yet you just want the standard if you're shipping a PC you just put it in the box and ship it like how you got how you'd get a case kind of thing you might want to put a vexer a bit of extra bubble wrap in there for good measure but that's about it what about you keV how do you ship a PC ought to be fair I've ships one myself never had to all the pieces I've sold a broken down for parts and sold them individually rom it's been better to do that New Zealand has a very competitive like use pc market ultra competitive ah see I i I've always thought it'd be better I did sell one years ago but I've made like there was just no money and it's after that I just always broke things down and sell them or for individual parts that way and it's worked out to be a lot better but I think you're generally pretty safe II justjust the main thing to worry about is the graphics card usually because that gets bounced around a lot that can crack where it's lot son ok leave leaflet he wants me he's got another question he wants me to do a Canadian accent I'll give it a go guys go this is the air weekly just channel Linus podcast we've got episode 20 and we're going to move on to the next question yeah yeah any plans to come to the UK oh definitely now okay I want to go back to the UK and do a roadtrip man that's when I save up enough money to go for a holiday yeah UK would be awesome and I love I when they before it's a road trip man best holiday ever road tripping through the UK would be so much fun this time I go man would be hunting for tech deals to like yeah just hunting for use parts go around the whole UK just hunting for is it really that much of a road trip I mean like it is a bottom but yeah into the top of Scotland must be from like I don't know from like Melbourne to life yeah camber it's not like it's not huge it's not as a thing that's a good thing about it though it's not a huge road trip but the thing is every place you go through is you can stay there you can stop at a bed and breakfast that's what made it so enjoyable like it was such a good road trip because every like hour or two hours you're at a new place new bars you bed-and-breakfast new things to do like it was so good i just i love that trip so much man when i went a road trip into that you know you go like straight your road trip bro you just got desert like you're not desert lee you just got desolace for like four hours that you dry you're like okay boring half so yeah there isn't that much to let see that special it takes so long to like you look at something on a map and you're like oh it's not that far away and then you actually drive and it takes like five hours oh well okay where would I recommend buying new hardware in a stray do you have any preferences I would say yeah you months of it you might Nemus why the two guys I go to for in-store in Australia and then lastly we got here do you think Ghost Recon wildlands isn't well optimized not sure if you haven't played it yet if you haven't next question so you'll answer that yeah I've had benchmark benchmarked on ghost Landry Recon wildlands it's not optimized for GPUs like it's basically whatever they're doing uncompressed textures or whatever like that so what's your what's your opinion on ghost Ghost Recon wildlands is not well optimized at the moment yeah this is some more time the CPU side of things looks okay like I didn't get any stuttering anything largest it's a GPU intense game and like crazy gpfs memory Hulk for sure and then what do you think of paladins enjoying it yeah it's pretty good about try the new so far wouldn't know haven't tried any games recently how about you give all right guys huh all right just so I just quickly brine down there if you refresh the page there was um and then another guy asked quickly if you're building rising for productivity work what we be doing with your jersey on build probably selling it yeah recoup some of the costs that I spent on it so yeah I wanted to actually finish it off with some transformers stickers and stuff but yeah most likely think we're getting some cash crops yeah someone else asked since racing can use ECC ram do you think it will look okay do you think it will be able to use one stick of 32 gigabyte ECC ram AKA having 128 gigabyte 4 x 32 gigabytes depends me i'd say probably know depends though yeah it could work like it theoretically could so it just depends I mean that's the kind of stuff did happen on the x58 boards and stuff so it just depends you'd have to try it to see it I don't think it would though actually I mean I know ECC memory does work on a bit just depends you'd have to try it in practice and again like would you want to use ECC me think would you want to use ECC memory on risin if you're a game up doing productivity no because it'll add an extra it'll add an extra command rate timing on that automatically like yeah that's what in and then won't overclock anywhere near as good as consumer grade memory so there the trade-offs and it's like no way for me I wouldn't even bother using ECC memory on it that's just might necessary so but of course for someone like Wendell me he loves that kind of stuff yeah he is probably it's probably better to ask in magazine loves that kind of stuff and he would probably give you a better answer than I could definitely so yes he is actually into the using ECC memory on the rights and boards so I just don't believe in it at all so because because of what I'm going to be using it for new I guess we're going to wrap up the show anything your dad get away no no just um yeah I'm really looking forward to testing out rising five I am yeah should be coming up almost there's something I should have said just then uh-huh yeah it's the air coming out quick alright guess it's all look at you if you gotta if you've got questions for next episode then jump on to taxi DTV and there'll be a new thread there episode 21 s questions be sure to jump on if you haven't already check out keV I'll put his link to his channel and description below tech showdown and also i'll put some modern even know what else but we'll catch you guys in another tech video very soon and I'm going to piece on out here keV you any closing statements ah thanks for bringing on the show again Brian had a great time and I hope you guys enjoyed the show right peace out for now