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The Tech Lounge #022 - Window's Creator's Update Buggy | Ryzen R5-1600 & Hardware Adoption Rates

2017-04-16
welcome back to episode 22 of the tech lounge I hope you're all having a great easter and if you don't celebrate easter then I hope you're having a good time anyway wherever you are in the world and i'm joined here by tech showdown care how you doing man i'm doing great brian how about you man yeah pretty busy pretty busy but it's been relaxed over Easter a actually had a good few nights sleep and been able to rest a lot so it's been really good been relaxed getting to the bottom of all this AMD vs intel stuff but you know the funny thing is we're gonna move and we'll just talk about that straight away because yeah okay this time around it's much different right we've Scott we don't like everywhere you go this just I think it's just the fanboy war its its world war out there it's fanboy woods it's crazy but this is the thing this is the thing right here is that here's the kicker the 7700 k and the awesome 1700 I'd recommend them both like if someone bought one and said oh my god i bought a seven awesome 1700 I'd say you made a good decision if you bought a 7700 k I think you made a pretty good decision depends on what you're doing if you're just gaming it's looking like the 7700 k is currently the champ but you know how many years is that going to change over like in two years time is the awesome 1,700 going to be better for gaming well in two years time we'll see i'm not i'm not a ton of a crystal ball yeah yeah the thing is the thing is both these cpus are performing really well if we contrast that to the fx-8350 for example if you bought an FX 8350 i thought you got shunted at the time and even now the four call if you look at a 46 90 k or whatever 4670k they rent they used a lot less power there you know the motherboards about the same protein eaded to buy an expensive motherboard overclocking 9350 properly and inexpensive cooler i remember on the 4670k you could get a cheap $30 cooler and overclock nothing pretty well so if you bought an FX 8350 i felt you made a poor decision back in the day this time around if you play either cpu you're making a pretty good decision I don't think there's you know is so little in it and that's exactly yeah that's sort of like that's the conclusion that I've really done all the testing for this for the three-part series streaming multiplayer benchmarks all that I just got to get the make the video which takes a lot of the time but if you by other those CPUs you made you haven't made a bad decision that's what I'm trying to get out yeah yeah I would agree with that for sure I'm d I think the most impressive thing I'm just about to start my rice and five testing which will be quite exciting they got a bunch of showdowns planned but I think so far anyways with my rose and seven and from what I've seen with other people doing rows and five testing the they're extremely good value there's no way to get around it think about the amount of cores and threads you are getting for the price that alone is a very good deal on the I think you are correct and saying k be lik is going to carry on and people still be buying 7600 KS 76 hundreds all the rest of it but Broadwell e is very much in trouble um I mean quite a few people already yourself included have switched from viewing from the 6800 k2 was that arise in 1800 x so the 1700 which one did you switch to I i'm switching i switch to the 1800 x it was a review so yeah um thing is right the awesome 1700 it's making a statement i said this to like I was going to switch to risin as a statement to Intel I said to the people i don't agree i don't like how intel's charging on the motherboard they're charging the z license they're charging the k license that's double dipping and I've said this for so long I disagree with it and alls reisen had to do was come with near performance to Intel they didn't have to match them and the IPC doesn't match cabbie leak but it comes damn close it matches broad Willy all they had to do was match Intel's performance and I was switching over and in price performance is really damn good the r5 1600 that's a diff story that's one is going to be the kick-ass cpu to get at that price point there's no doubt about that one or as much as my old man likes to say no bout a doubt it but there's arm so what what's going on here right the up when we so I'm doing I'm doing the eight core versus Intel's four core first and then I'm going to move over to the six core versus the 7600 k vs an old-school X 5650 and now that's going to be a different kettle of fish that will be more interesting with a more clear-cut recommendation there i think the r5 1600 is going to be the clear winner there for numerous reasons but as we stand with the r7 1700 versus the 7700 k the dual xeons is pretty much you're going to find that they're becoming obsolete poor little things that there's as much as I love them you know the r7 1700 still is trumping it and then the 7700 case still that king and gaming yeah yeah so it's kind of it's more it's more of a okay both ECB is a good but when we move down to the r5 1600 that's when things will get a little bit different and you'll see that the r5 1600 is going to be the clear winner in a lot of cases in that category so and there's another thing I have noticed as well some very different testing going on here we've got the RC r 5 1600 even versus the 1800 x or whatever there's going to be some i found some very interesting interesting tests that I'm doing real world tests and I've found some very interesting figures as well so the r5 1600 maybe the king of them all if they're looking at pure price performance for enthusiasts be 350 motherboard are five 1600 I think that one's looking like the winner of all Intel AMD CPUs all combined are five 1600 is getting my vote it was my vote before it was even released but there's further data to suggest that this cpu might be the one to get because of other reasons too and i'm going to explain that until i recently released the video if i say why people start doing their own tests and then I'll lose all the views you know when it's always abused come on yeah yeah I want to get some views I want to get some love yeah now I think you hit the nail hit by the way bright now everyone saying audios perfect oh right yeah so the the thing is that you know that people you guys in your rumba for the same price as a single 6800 k you could get the 1600 which does come with a cooler a decent cooler as well you can overclock with that Wraith sparkle and just fine and a be 350 motherboard so you could have the CPU room of the 6800 k doesn't come with a cooler you could get the risin 1600 a be 350 a good one and of course it comes to the included cooler and it wouldn't you would probably come and cheaper than just buying the 6800 k that is some pretty amazing undercutting from AMD and I just have to say yeah it is very enticing for a lot of people out there I run Broadway lee i run a 6900 k and honestly yeah i can't say i would recommend it to anybody now if you're looking for an eight core cpu get that rise in 1700 and overclock it or if you're not comfortable with overclocking then just get something like the 1700 x 1800 x imma just use that because they're just phenomenal they're just such good value and the productivity which is what really counts for me anyways and I could I guess I speak for Brian as well the render times you know if we need to go redo a video you might have to render the same video two or three times and that then amount of time does add up now we don't just like you i speak for myself maybe Brian does have that I doubt it um is you don't just set it to render and then just sit there and wait um you're doing other things at the same time but it's always nice to have those fast render times I don't think anyone would say that's a bad thing at all so yeah I'm the 1600 extremely extremely good value yeah I just think it's absolutely phenomenal and I will be doing two lots of testing I'll be testing all four rise in five CPUs but i'll be doing two of them with quarter cord comparisons and two of them as price to price comparisons and we can take those results and go from there but I know very very good value especially now a 16 the 1600 man like you the fact that you can build a workstation like a good work station pc on the cheap now and i mean it blows the 7700 k out of the water in terms of productivity so you know pretty awesome and considering how much cheaper it is it's well it's actually blowing it out in some tests i'm doing some real world tests the 1600 is beating even the 1800 x and y can few little tests that i'm doing here so i'm going to present that i'm going to present that in a separate video but again i'm getting to the bottom of this now i'm sick of all these fanboy wars out there this that is that a lot of what was seeing with discrepancies to is of course the game developers and driver implementation as well and we'll talk about that a little bit later but for what is where the r5 1600 its impressing me that much more the more time I spend with it the more time I just get to know it get to know its feelings get to know what's sad about what it's happy about and of course you said it needs to be coupled with a good motherboard I've got the bottom of the barrel be 350 motherboard drop some mosfet heatsinks on it and is performing really well so that's what i'm liking for those brands performance enthusiasts heads out there raisins really hitting the mark because they're not charging you overclocking tax they're not charging your motherboard overclocking tax one of those taxes have been dropped and i think it's a message to intel intel needed to stop doing this I think if Intel just charged on the motherboard for example they would have been fine I don't see the need to charge double dip that was what really hit enthusiasts and then of course the thermal paste that was another hit there's a lot of things that are now rise and sort of picked up on and they're gaining a lot of momentum from the real enthusiast from the fans of course you know I always keep my results straight down the middle I'm always just going to say look this is what's best for this I really don't really have any care about our loyalty to any one brand and that's never going to change but I know there's guys who out there who are pro AMD and they love AMD is very strong and a lot of these guys are my friends on Twitter and whatnot and they're really cool to talk with the problem is I think there's a lot of problems at the moment those is massive like there's the rabid fan boys and these guys are going crazy the moment you say something even just slightly against verizon like it's just at the moment it's insane at the moment and i think a lot of channels getting frustrated with it but I've been like if I get some guy called me an idiot to straight-up band as his first sentence you're you're an idiot they have been see you later and then and that's why I was doing talking to a lot of people behind the scenes the problem is is that a lot of us are pro risin and so a lot of it now like we're recommending rising but the problem is there's a lot of results that are coming out that are 22 buyers they're just two out the top and that goes against what a lot of us reviewers are about we're about just calling it straight down the middle points it's not it's not really about being it's not being Pro raising a pro Indian pro intel I'm just pro whatever is good and it's good and puts up good numbers it comes in a good price of corsets I'm going to go for it and someone said in the comments they said you still got those SLI taxes on the X 370 ah yeah that's still in character I suppose yeah that's correct but but at the end of the day um be from personal experience anyway many of us I would say the vast majority of users the vast vast majority use a single graphics card and any good tech review will tell you that you always want a single powerful graphics card over to um but yeah it's the technical er yeah you're correct but I don't think that's as much of an going to impact many people as Intel's overclocking tax with the the certain boards and the k-series chips I think that's much more impactful for people over the SLI Tex Tex a celae tax is true man it exists and that's why further a reason to get a be 350 so also another thing about resin Susie can support 64 gigabytes of ddr4 memory I've got it running in my system dual channel at 29 33 confirmed so don't be afraid to pull the trigger on a on a 4k works with rising as well it's doing it's doing extremely well yeah so anyway we'll move on to the first stop because we're only talking about rise a little bit anyway but Microsoft has done what is expected the creator's update has rolled out and a lot of people asking me for an optimization guide I'm going to do one after i get a lot of my crucial testing done there's a lot of testing I still have to do and I talked with other youtubers it's creating a lot of headaches that creators update is causing a lot of headaches so I'm actually even scared to update to it at the moment at least until I get all my apples to apples testing done and you were telling me it's wait what one FBS on your GTX yeah so I got the creator's update yesterday and I have the gigabyte Horace extreme edition 1080 TI and my rig right now and and I went to do the creator's update and the I done all my testing on the sin ati for my showdowns of course the the next one coming up there they're all done would before I did the Krays update I wouldn't do it afterwards it's not fair anyway so I decided to do it and so it goes to reset to do the update stuff then it was just blank screen and I can bring it up I try reset and the bios screen wouldn't even come up all the stuff i took the 1080 TI out and put my 1080 back end and then it was fine so when you do the creator's update it'll bring you to a blue screen and then it needs to restart about two or three times while it does all the updating stuff and then it will track you back into Windows but from it personally having the 10 attn for some bizarre reason it would it would blank screen after that maybe it's something to do with the GPU maybe time XP guys big P I supposed to say I might have the same problem but yeah really really strange Chuck the 1080 in and it was just fine I did notice that the drivers like to reinstall my nvidia drivers after the creator's update because it just went a whole lot of crazy after i got back in a window is there must have been some issue going on there because my screen went down to like like 720p or something and there was all funny stuff going on and yeah so I had to install all that but yeah it is quite dodgy right now for what I've seen yeah you get game mode and I turned it on okay so this is i'll just say only did one test and with the 1080 and all I saw was 1 FPS extra with game mode on now that was a synthetic test as well and that was just a single test they did last night so ously will need to cover this more but if that's in a 1080p synthetic test if one FPS is all you're going to see I would expect a bit better maybe it's going to help more with things like latency I guess maybe for online gaming maybe that's what they're really targeting with game mode of course there's all the UM the streaming stuff now from windows which you can also use broadcasting from windows and and all that that's quite cool you got do some 3d stuff and paint now which is quite interesting and there's a whole bunch of updates from Microsoft page for any you guys out there that use that no comments there ah it's just for me with my schedule dude I do not need any problems at the moment like last thing I need to do is diagnose problems steve from my hardware and box he told me he's rolled back the creators up there he actually rolled it back he's just he got fed up with it he was trying to benchmark just coming into a plethora of problems like just so many problems one after the other you just rolled it back I'm after hearing that I'm like yeah damn you know like steve has the cleanest install of Windows I would know like me I have a real clean install of Windows I cut all the crap out of it and of course there's a performance benefit to be made I actually showed this on a live stream when I was overclocking my 7700 Kate I think was the 5.1 gigahertz and we did the before and after cinebench and I was like I want to break 1100 cinebench points and so I optimize Windows quickly on a live stream like on a live stream just optimizing windows and yeah we got like a one but one point something percent increase in performance and that was just funny like so it's probably the same thing and that's why people i guess like want me to i like optimize Windows so I can make it more snappy Oh give them a little bit of a performance boost but again I'm scared to do it at the moment because I don't want any problems with all the stuff I've got to get through all the videos we've got to get through so yeah yeah so just just be aware of that the black screen thing if you're getting that and see you guys out there as well the viewers if that if you try to do the creators update mean unfortunately most you guys probably don't have a spare GP although you might have integrated graphics obviously I'm on bro well II so don't have that luxury um but you might have to do that if you're experiencing that issue because it is a very very strange one to come across but yeah it does seem very hit or miss right now with the creators update so yeah be very wary of it before you decide to do it yeah there is problems and is just from what I gather this time around there's a lot of hit and miss feedback as opposed the last update I didn't really hear anything bad about the last update that came through the anniversary update when that came it was the problems really isolated so it was like a guy five monitors who had some problem with this little setting it wasn't going to affect benchmarking and whatnot but Steve was telling me certain games just won't even be able to crash games will crash this and that so it's crazy what the creator's updates doing so I would not recommend updating at the moment that would be my personal recommendation until windows decides to stop making the public beta testers I guess that's just the trend that's running through the industry at the moment hey why why should we spend money on beta testing when we can just get the people to do it for nothing yeah it's such a bad bad mentality though oh well that's that's the way the world works news just yeah why did what do something when you get someone else to do it you know sir that's yeah there we go so yeah that's the creator's update you guys I don't recommend updating to the moment if there is once the problems settle down I will get another pc to update to it safe I've got to build coming this month actually I've gotta build coming this month they use price-performance build I probably upgrade to it on that and then maybe talk a little bit i experienced some of the problems and if so that if it's ready for an optimization guide then i'll do one so but don't worry there will be an optimization guy coming it's just when I would recommend people updating to the creator's updates so next time we we got here though again- offs back on the back in the news they're blocking cabbie lake and rising pcs from windows 7 and 8 updates now like just straight up blocking it if you've got one of these CBS you're blocked what do you think about that well that's yeah I I think no one is particularly surprised i think a lot of people saw this from a mile away but uh yeah this Microsoft is really forcing people on to windows 10 for a better or worse and personally as an operating system actually really like Windows 10 which seems to be like blasphemy within the community but um yeah that this isn't a good thing though you shouldn't be forcing people to the operating system um before when it was still a free update then I could understand it's a bit more it's still not cool but it was I don't know I mean windows seven runs out of support in 2020 anyway so I suppose most people need to start at least thinking about upgrading to Windows 10 but if you're on kb like then it looks like you're going to have to or if your fear on rising it's now as well but uh yeah what do you think you're a fan of microsoft forcing around a good old windows 10 windows 10 or bust again like my favorite my favorite was windows 8.1 I liked 8.1 I liked the way once you once you changed it and tweaked it I thought it was the best OS now Windows 10 is based on the same kernel that the problem is they introducing all that telemetry and whatnot so I liked 8.1 the best people like I know a lot of people like seven especially competitive gamers 7 still to go to from what I hear for a lot of competitive gamers now that's that's pretty annoying especially for those guys who like to play competitively I it's it's yeah what else to say you're just taking away options that people like and yeah it's just this is nothing but stupidity I mean micro people want to use Windows 7 Windows 8.1 especially if they paid money for them i mean i know some people don't pay money for them but especially if people paid money for these os's you're just you know essentially screwing the mobile you know you I guess Microsoft's being racist towards cabbie lake and rising and same with the windows 10 creators update that's racist towards the 1080 TI right yes that I mean yeah that's quite interesting um it's interesting as well that we both feel so differently about this because I actually really didn't like it windows 8 or 8.1 my if I can go back and list them in terms of what they were like when they first came out and to use them to say the first 12 months after they came out I would probably say windows 7 would still be my all-time favorite probably followed by Windows 10 I really enjoy Windows 10 actually and and then I'll put it's my number 3 i'd have to say vista which is very unpopular see but i did quite a powerful computer back then back in the older good old core 2 duo core 2 quad days and and yeah and vista was very good at vista ultimate which was really nice and it was a great operating system so back then if you had an underpowered pc it was a horrible system because it was so heavy but it was still yeah a lot of people consider windows XP the best I can yeah I can see why that is but personally um yeah I out of all them windows 7 that was just a good all-round solid operating system to follow up vista on which was very heavy that it was much lighter which a lot of people like that was probably the biggest benefit of windows 7 windows 8 was better as well you got this fast boot times and stuff like that over 7 which a lot of people liked many you probably don't even remember that but that was a big thing when it first came out see if there's but it's usually just personal preference again it's what it's we all like different things um you had this is deedee basically run starters back with 8.1 was it big did you run that with your 8.1 the stardust back things you had a normal start menu it did you actually like the tile thing yeah I ran start menu x so i ran a gecko of course but that's what you had to do you had to give Windows 8.1 a chance a lot of people just upgraded they didn't know what they were doing though and disarray they're like not going back to Windows 7 that was the feeling that people got they just hated it so they just reverted back straight away and so of course Windows 10 brought that start bar back so adoption was very easy for windows 7 but once you gave windows 8.1 a chance a proper chance you realize there were benefits over windows seven I thought you know the schedule was better I thought the you could install many things at the same time I don't think you could do that at windows 7 you could install many applications at the same time on Windows 8.1 don't know if you could do that in Windows 7 I just remember just jumping in and setting up windows 8.1 once I knew how to set it up was much quicker than windows 7 just forgetting all my programs installed it was it was sort of like it was more multi-core friendly if that was the way to say it with Windows yeah yeah I also i thought i saw it subjectively gaming was smoother on Windows 8.1 the windows seven that was something that I thought of course it's a subjective thing so I don't really talk about it much but Windows 8.1 became my favorite OS because they just never crashed on me it just it was a breeze after you tweaked it and after you did what you had to do with it to get it running properly so yeah I think a lot of people i dunno what you're saying they really had to give it a try and and I did I ran windows 8.1 on my last rig and and windows 7 on my rig before that so yeah you really had so I think a lot of the people that didn't like it probably tried it out what like you said they did the update they got confused it was that I will admit it would have been confusing to a lot of people especially people that aren't as tech savvy and at first anyway but yeah I all they tried it out at a store at a friend's place on a friends computer or something they hated it and I think that's the thing is you really have to have tried it I've run all these operating systems going back to XP for on my personal computers for at least like two years so I think I had a really good time to seal the updates see how it's progressed but even remember back in the XP days talking to older people i knew that this computer place i used to work at now is telling them when vista was about to come out now saying why they bring out vista when they haven't even sorted out XP yet and that's like the mentality that stayed on as everyone window Sims about to come out and they'll be saying well mr. isn't even sorted out yet or you know that that trends just continued over the years and that was way back in like the early 2000s so yeah yeah Microsoft has just been doing that a long time be a bat back to the topic yeah this does suck in a lot of ways for a lot of people out there well sky lakes still gonna be fine that's what we're seeing sky lake is still yes guy like is still fine yeah and I think you can still get away with it um but it probably wouldn't be ideal so you guys out there might have to just take the plunge and go to Windows 10 unfortunately so unfortunately okay so we can talk about the risin r5 1600 x we're going to put up stays review here from tech spot Steve from hardware and box spot and yeah I guess you wanted you you really wanted to talk more about the risin are five sixteen hundred and fifteen hundred X and I guess you can just shoot your thoughts as well I think this is a really good segment again well I guess we can go into more detail of why the r5 1600 is going to really shine in this segment and even the four core is well from AMD because once you start getting into this segment you've only really got the four core overclockable cpu from intel bringing any competition that's only in gaming and you know again for calls for threads that's a limitation there it coming into the future so that's where the r5 1600 is really starting to shine out and of course those lower competitive products that aren't overclockable are going to fall behind the risin cpus because the verizon CVS are overclockable but what I guess I guess well but yeah yeah with this article basically all I want to do I know we already talked a bit about rice and five already but a lot of people out there um both fans viewers and tick reviewers to youtubers have generally because I haven't done my testing yet and so still I'm still trying to stay as open mind as possible and I've been watching a ton of everyone's reviews from Brian Steve's jemadar TV everyone's opinions to try see what what they all think and it seems interesting because when I was talking to Steve on skype the other day i was saying a lot of people really like the six course a 1600 x and the 1600 but there's quite a few reviewers out there that aren't fans of the quad course the 1500 x + 1400 and Steve basically said to me so I don't understand why that is because he thought they were you know just fine and especially with the the costs they're coming in at the price point they're coming in at but it seems like a lot of the people and the the other tech youtubers and not a lot but some of them don't really like the quad core so much so that's quite an interesting that we're seeing basically universal praise for the six course but then it's a bit more Hetal mess with those quad cores yeah I'll chime in like I'll chime in and give you my opinion here i'm actually on that boat if i don't really like the four cause i'm agreeing with the people who don't like the four cause that much and like the six Gordon is mainly like you look at the price performance and where it's at and what you're getting with the r5 1600 and once you buy your motherboard your memory your graphics card you're really looking at only a little bit extra money to get those six cores in there and that's fifty percent more CPU fifty percent more CPU for your money on an extra whatever it is two three four or five percent of your whole budget on the system that's why a lot of people are gravitating towards the r5 1600 it's just such a good buy out of all the AMD CPUs it's relevant now it will be relevant for the next couple of years and it just trumps the forecourse even on AMD zone cpu lineup in terms of value for money when we start to tip factor in other costs even when we compare it directly in price performance to the four cause it's just killing it it's absolutely killing it of course you got you've got the cash rate you get more cash they're available to the CPU cores on some of it i think the 1500 x actually has the most available per quart yeah but um yes you go down for 1400 that's actually been cut in half so i think a lot of people like where the 1600 x is at how much is it over i mean how much is the 1600 over the 1500 x what's the price differential they're like forty dollars or something ah in new zealand they're coming in the quite good price so you're sixteen hundred we'll see you back 350 new zealand dollars and they 1500 x will be 310 so it's 40 new zealand dollars yeah I more expensive the 1600 and then the 1600 X is 420 so that seventy dollars more for the 1600 x over the 1600 and of course the little 1400 is two hundred and eighty dollars so it is thirty dollars less so you sing price price wise in New Zealand it's very good the the fact you can get the 1600 for three hundred fifty dollars which means it's almost did the same I believe as the 7600 k off the top of my memory let's have a look here yeah so the 7600 k right now is on special for 360 but it's usually 366 so in New Zealand at play tic anyway it's pretty much the same price United get a rise in 1600 or a 7600 k and they're almost exactly the same price there so that's pretty pretty competitive um but yeah it does beg the question you are right there the 1500 x only being forty dollars cheaper I mean would people really think of all that extra forty dollars I could go from a quad-core although out to it to it to a 6-core you know exactly they their six useful cause as we've seen in the productivity benchmarks this they're making a difference these calls are actually making a big difference so yeah that's why men are you going to not take that plunge you know and then steve is steve was talking about to steve on skype and his argument is well you can get the cheap for call but i don't think the cheapest for calls out yet the fork or for thread and those are the arteries yeah yeah and you cannot know that and you can update later that's a good argument to you can update when the I you know when the overclocks get better because this is going to be the architecture i believe AMD's implementing for the next three years so that arguments valid as well that's why i like that that's why mean everyone's got different opinions and i love it now as long as like if someone's got a different opinions you is it something that the tech community needs to learn in general if someone has a different opinion to you doesn't mean that they're wrong and you don't have to go them down and call them an effing idiot and all this that's what that's what I'm really i guess this year it's hitting harder than ever I guess the amount of just toxic comments and arguments is through the roof like it's insane shopping yeah it's shocking it really is like I got into tech when I got into tech when I was like a little teenager it was so good everyone was helping people out if you didn't understand something someone showed you the light someone showed you the better way so really I don't know what's going on now like it is a scary place to be and I mean I really care internet right the Internet's toxic in general but yeah I don't notice i thought the tech community would never have this kind of crap coming into it but it does look like it's just increase its just like overload it's you can't do anything yeah now you know God you know it yeah you're certainly right I think the other thing is uh what Jim mentioned in his video was quite good he said he was basically not too happy with the quad core it's not for the fact of the value they're coming in at and but more the fact that it's still a quad core and he was his point was basically like hey we've been on quad cores for so long now going all the way back and he does make a really good point I mean how many Intel quad cores in the gaming lineup anyway we've just been doing this for years and people say well quad core is enough you only need four and that and that's you know that that may be valid but at the same time he has got a good point in that shouldn't have there been some progression um I know Intel's idea has always been you want faster cause rather than war cause but his point which you may disagree with is that we should have been progressing up to six scores and that's why he was saying his recommendation just like yours and many others was to go for that 1,600 over the 1500 X because you know comes with a cooler and it's six cores 12 threads and all the rest of it and and his own his thinking at least from memory was that that'll be better moving forward because he as the point he has tried to prove well he's talked about multiple times as that going forward uh there'll be better utilization of those six and eight for CPU so so I think that's a that's a good point there and I have talked to him on Twitter about it me and him talk sometimes now and um yeah he does make quite a good point there so yeah for cause is probably still enough I'm sure but we're moving forward with these changes now yeah especially with kb lake x Scola kicks i should say um yeah we might be seeing that there might be a trend now so it might start progressing up to those six scores and a course i well i think eight threads if you got four core eight threads that's gonna be still very relevant for years to come i think four cores eight yes he's gonna fork or four threads yes a focus might start to face out a little bit even their men like I've been on the camp when it comes to technology when it comes to personal life and life goals and all that stuff you of course you have to think for the few you have to think for the future of course but when it comes to tech I'm one of those guys who likes to live for now I mean really if you compare this hobby this enthusiasts hobby like technology to cars let's take a look at cars man i remember when i was young dude I was just working to fix my car like it was such an expensive hobby cars were expensive text not that experiment contrast to that like a two-hundred-dollar CPU is not that expensive when we contrast it to like a you know to a two-thousand-dollar set of mags on your car so really to be an enthusiast in tech it doesn't cost a whole lot of course there's always there's always going to be these companies dangling you know you know tech like tight next peas in front of your face and just don't buy that it's just a complete ripoff but you know when it comes to the actual enthusiast stuff I think it's pretty it's a fair game to get into and I like to live for the now so the now is still four cores eight threads I think that's the best at the moment like for gaming I my tests are confirming that but what are we looking at in the next few years I don't know and honestly I don't really care a whole lot because it's not such an expensive hobby it's not like it's a life decision if I'm you know a hundred dollars is not like oh my god I bought an i7 1700 it's going to be more future bought a 7700 k am I going to be shafted in a couple of years time it's like in a couple of years time i'm pretty sure that 7700 k will still be relevant but there'll be the next cpu out from AMD and intel there'll be the new technology out the rise ins will probably overclocking 25 gigahertz in the next two years and they'll have a cheaper skew same with intel they probably have their six core 12 threaded enthusiasts latest IPCC lineup that their maintenance umer sorry not the x 99 play on that very odd that consumer cpu out so who knows when the future comes we'll review it and then we'll see how good it is you know again we don't have those crystal balls guys and well it's easier for us um because we're like under the term i like to use create a zoo game because we're doing like that 50 50 or maybe these days we do a little bit less fifty percent gaming more like 7030 productivity seventy percent productivity and because we're doing that i think it makes it easier for us because we're always going to be trending towards the sex and a core cpus i doubt any tech review out there any of the bigger guys anyway um this running say a quad-core cpu no because they probably have anything against it's just they need those cause um people a CJ who's gone over to rise and now and stuff obviously brian as well as gone to risin we need those cores so it makes it a lot easier for us because we're always going to go i'll never go down to a 6-core a less than a 6-quart i'll always go six or a core now on because we need it that's that's all they're safe but that's that's a funny thing that i was testing the 7700 it as my main workstation for about two weeks so this is why i'm getting a good understanding of where the strengths and weaknesses are and what tests i'm doing and looking out for what honestly though the way the premier pro or the holder you do the whole adobe suite the way it works is that you actually don't need more than a 7700 k of course your final render times you've got a bit more headroom the more cause and more threads you have as doesn't fully utilize them so you can do other things while you're rendering 7700 k you're dead in the water if you're rendering a video you've got to go AFK because it's just utilizing all those threats and you'll have you really laggy experience but again they all give their all complete a video and around about the same time I've got the figures like I was running down the figures hear things like i did this 20-minute render cpu-intensive and they're all schooling and they're all scoring in a similar bench ballpark like we've got 29 minutes on the 7700 Kaling was like 26 minutes on the 1720 1700 scored 24 minutes so it was actually quite a bit faster the 1600 was 26 minutes so it's all falling in the same ballpark obviously the r7 1700 did score a victory there which was really good so again for what I need the r7 Sonia r7 1700s the best but again and this is where it comes down to if you bought a 7700 k and you're doing a bit of productivity but your gaming competitively and you need the highest FPS 7700 is going to provide that so we're falling in this ballpark of where one is not falling so far behind the other it's not like it's the end of the world as opposed to be when we looked at those FX 8350 s back in the day man now we're getting crushed you know like in some some tasks they were just getting clean cut crushed like absolutely you know dominated so it's good to see that 1700s coming out ahead in some things and it's still very competitive and other things so mmm yeah other we're just ya know yeah we should probably uh what was the next relatively head here but we can talk about steam hardware surveys because I was like shocked like I was a little bit shocked when I saw this we got the authentic AMD CPUs in the Intel's abusers like AMD CPUs last month that was in verizon was released went went down 1.4 6 % like I just find that hard to believe what was going on here obviously I wait for the april and may figures hopefully these numbers are up and they're up quite a big amount that wow like you're not i mean that was that was really crazy to see so what is all this craziness going on like who's actually buying these cpus you know what i mean like where's all that like this much hype out there there's so much you know you put out a rising video it's going to get a lot of views and a lot of likes but when we got the data hits it's like who's buying these cpus and this is March is already looking like a bit small month am deep or AMD they've gone down 1.4 six percent and now this will go up though I think that v1 hopefully of guys I'll make quite a lot I hope it goes up by quite a lot to be honest I mean Verizon's a good product yeah Oh certainly certainly I think it will it will start to go up over the next few months but at the same time the people watching our video is usually always enthusiasts or people that want to be aware but I think the vast majority of people who will just be buying say pre-built systems or going into a store to buy a new get a whole bunch of parts together to build a rig I think those people still just by Intel they're probably like just heard from someone you know you should buy in till they go into the store and the people in the store recommended or whatever it is I just think thou yeah retailers actually do miss ya retailers getting kickbacks to this to push Intel I believe that's a real thing too so I I haven't personally witnessed that or heard that but then but i would say that they're the this isn't the enthusiast although you would expect over the next few months from the enthusiasts they will make a little bit of a dent in it so i would expect at least it wouldn't be negative would be maybe plus one percent or something um but yeah intel's still very very strong in that area and maybe when people start moving over workstations that might help a little bit um to rise in as well if they want to build more workstation pcs for cheaper then they might they might make a little bit of dent but this is taken from steam so obviously you wouldn't see those guys um you wouldn't see it there so this is just from gamers which is what you guys have to remember the G 45-60 still the G 45-60 was a pretty good pretty good man the g 45-60 i'm gonna give that credit that's a solid cpu force how cheap it is and for how cheap you can put together a real budget gaming pc so i want to see AMD release a competitor to that because that's dirt cheap comes with a cooler like $60 cpu with a cooler and will play games really well so especially those you know overwatch league legends csgo they little play with good frame rates and of course you're getting warranty on you stuff so I'd say the G 45-60 has a lot to do with this percentage change here that's for sure yeah as you can see as you can see in the actual clock speeds look at that three point three gigahertz 23.7 that's exactly where the 45 60 is lying so that's where it's sitting so I guess some people pulled the trigger on the 7700 k and the 7600 k2 but I'm waiting to see this data change around a bit hopefully the r5 1600 really brings it to the market yeah yeah anyway it's quite else quite dogs quite surprised to see those figures yes that so it I'm sorry so now we got the RX 570 and the RX 580 there's been a presentation someone leaked some slides pretty crazy I guess they can see who where he was sitting so they're going to know who leaked these slides out pre NDA so someone's just like hey I'll sitting here they probably the camera out who was sitting there now we know exactly who was releasing this information but um yeah so it's looking like it's a straight rebrand with the RX 5 series the 5 75 80 just higher clock speeds and of course we're getting a 6 plus 6 pin connector on the 570 and it looks like a 5 was it a 5 plus a plus 6 on the 580 so now I mean we've already talked about this last week but what do you think about this coming in with the 570 and 580 and of course the 560 it looks like they're releasing even lower tier model d 550 as well which will be like for just entry-level gaming yes so the the step up here for the the 482 the 580 will be quite minimal the difference here it's there's not going to be much it's a slightly bitter bent GPU are you getting a bit of a bump up there in clock speeds and the reference model will be running an eight pin power connector as opposed to 6-pin you got on the reference for Eddie if people are even going to run those most people are sick to non-reference so won't really matter so nothing much there the 570 will be a bit more of a jump up now anyone with a 470 what need to bother to upgrade but it's more guessing a memory bump up because it's going to be clocked at seven gigahertz on the memory now which is quite good because before you got I'm thinking six point six so six thousand six hundred megahertz on the memory i believe from memory of the 470 so that's a little bit of a good jump up there in memory speed and of course you get the clock speeds going up as well so that would be quite decent um of course if you're an overclocker out there that probably won't make much difference to you but for the people that don't overclock which is a lot of them when it comes to GPUs that'll be decent but yeah these I don't think anyone was particularly surprised by this time this is what a lot of us expected in terms of what what would come out you're getting different SKUs as well you get the foreign eight gig models of the 580 just like we saw with authority and with the 4th 570 you'll be getting and also the eight and four five six to get four and two and the 550 apparently you're becoming with four and two gigabyte models so that's quite interesting other than that the 1060 as a three gig models I think well a lot of people were hyping in the comments when we're talking about is lost weight I think a lot of people were like okay if it's a rebrand but it comes in cheaper then it's going to be really good but what we're seeing here is the prices around 229 to 279 for the RX 580 which is looking like it's a little bit more expensive than the 480 then again the RX 470 arcs 570 sorry is 172 230 us price range so it's looking like it's just a straight rebrand and possibly even a little bit more expensive which is a disappointing in this regard so yeah you wouldn't hope it would be more expensive it should be just the same price for a bit of a bump up I think that would be okay i mean we're seen clock speeds wise from the 480 reference 1266 to the 5 80's 1340 non-reference models that would be different because some non reference for 80 s already around that clock speed anyway um so you'd see maybe some non-reference 5 80's coming in it may be 1400 ish so that that's decent the 570 gets about a 40 megahertz bump up there and clock speed on the the GPU itself obviously you have 400 megahertz bump up on the memory see ya this will be okay the introduction of the 550 is you said that'll be decent for those people for the entry-level people there's another one to add to their lineup but um yeah for the people saying no 590 that's yeah there'll be a that'll probably be what Vega will be I'd imagine unless they decide to go with a different naming scheme the negative you will be the RX 590 and they'll probably another model uh there'll be the the cut-down model be like the 590 and there'll be the 598 will be the more powerful one yeah but we don't know yet so we'll just have to see but the from what we're seeing right now yeah it's a rebrand don't think anybody be surprised yeah but the gilman sales are the same but we'll do the sales here the drag the GPUs for lightly nvidia is just all green like you're just seeing green numbers here look at that green plus percentages and then you see that the RX before I think it's the RX 480 is or the IRS for 80s the top-selling graphics card from AMD and it's like the 8th down on the list or something like that it's it's not doing that well at all like one % so it changed point nine point one nine percent we look at all these in video cards they're selling 621 I mean surprised that the 750 Ti is selling so well it must be like a third world country sell out or something like because that's I mean like in dough ball countries they do a lot of these cars that don't sell in the US and like sell in Australian UK and stuff they get shipped to their countries and they get sold there because they're you know and that's just a lot of times that's the way it works but here we got the 1060 just it's beasting it it looks like it's selling it double the pace of the RX for 80 which is kind of surprising I guess people that's what I mean like I guess YouTube in itself is a small market because people the average guy going to the computer store doesn't even know about you or I or even Jays two cents or less on that big like they just go out and buy computer BOTS they don't care and they just play again yeah yeah it's pretty phenomenal will feel by nine 70s and 4 80's so was he more phenomenal if you go back to that article was the one of the first slides they showed up there with all the cards their marketing look they're comparing it to it's very hard to read um but it says for it for the 580 I'm guessing that is on the very left you can't read it but the same 1.6 times higher versus the 380 x why are they comparing it to a two-generation back usually you compare it to the last generation not you know the generation before their that the 570 2.4 times higher performance versus the r7 370 why are you going that far back is it because if you try to do it against the 480 you could only say oh it's you know five percent higher performance I understand their marketing department was probably maybe a little bit desperate but I mean that just feels oh it just feels reaching I'm not trying to be maintained is just like wow are you speaking I don't know you're gonna cops'll yeah so you're gonna cops and hate the comment that someone's going to come in just go crazy on their keyboard at you it doesn't matter what you do so you like I said you can't you can't please all the people all the time to stop trying but it's true though it's that the point is that this but it's not that yeah you can only fly probably sell yeah I know it you can only please some of the people some of the time okay yeah that's what they always say so no I'm but I will be testing this regardless so I guess I'll reserve my judgments until I start testing these out which I should start testing our next week I believe I will be starting all my are 500 series testing most likely i'll test it against the 400 series but against some nvidia cards also but wouldn't this lead like after seeing this data the RX for 7460 in 480 i mean i was hearing about AMD now magically coming from twenty percent to thirty percent market share these numbers would suggest otherwise like clearly suggests otherwise hmm this would suggest yeah like wow this would like clearly suggests otherwise with these numbers on steam so again it like these cause either dark this is just data published by steam they don't give a crap they've got no bias they're just publishing the numbers so we're seeing this you know Andy's crawling back from twenty percent of thirty percent this doesn't this disagrees this data here would completely go against that yeah I mean I guess it is Justine but you would imagine mostly gamers would be using steam for at least some of their games so yeah yeah now well how they call I don't get where this ten percent magically comes from in market who just doesn't make any sense so yeah it's really not making a sense because i'd say like every gamer i know has steam every single game right now as steam as well yes exactly crazy results anyway as we go to the vega here vega's getting talked up a lot and then we've got the actual specs here this is looking like it's confirmed now the actual specs for Vega got vega 10 it's 40 nanometer it's got the same amount of stream processes as the online fury and we're looking at like a fifty percent bump up there and teraflops double the HBM memory and also the memory bus has gone down a little bit I guess that's not a big deal because if just how damn huge the memory what bus was to begin with I guess known like that's not going to be a detriment at all to performance and the bandwidth is the same so and it's coming in with a low power power target there so what are we looking at here 2017 looking like launching at computex and do you think it's going to and this is an interesting survey here I voted I'm just going to be straight up I think it'll be on par with the 1080 at a much lower price that was my vote um you know you hear you're going to hear the majority of votes it'll be on par with the 1080 TI Jenna low cost yeah do you think it's going to be on par with the 1080 ti yeah I think I mean if I'm if I'm very hopeful I would think it will come between the 1080 and the 1080 TI because remember guys is quite a big gap they're actually like the 1080 TI is like thirty percent it's more powerful than it is in 80 and you so that's actually quite a large gap between the 1080 and the 1080i so I would like it if it came in between the two so was maybe fifteen percent faster than the 1080 but fifteen percent slower than the 1080 ti however it was coming in and say the same price as the 1080 and that would be phenomenal but in reality i think it'll probably just be the same as that 1080i maybe it wouldn't be coming in at a low price point but yeah it's just going to be one of those things that we'll just have to see the the specs look promising this looks very promising on paper but i remember back this is why i got a lot of preemption here and brian was probably the same the wind the fury ex came out we were looking at the specs and we're going like wow that fiji xt GPU will this is going to be powerful was just going to kill the what was it back then 90 I see Iowa yeah we thought man is going to smoke it hbm we're a bit worried though that only had four gigs of it yeah and but yeah and then came out and then we all started testing it and there's no doubt that the fury X was powerful that it's still a powerful graphics card but it just couldn't do it it just couldn't do throw in the 980 TI and i think that was the main problem there so this time around I'm bringing all the hype down yeah I'm not so I've time to actually train yeah yeah I I think it I think it'll probably most likely come in at about ten eighty performance but maybe it would come in a bit cheaper if we're lucky though yeah it might be in between the 1080 1080 TI and it comes in a 1080 price point if that was the case that would be absolutely phenomenal that would be fantastic and that would grab so much of the market share back Verizon Verizon was good Rosen kind of lived up to the hype I think that was good that I just I don't see like how you've got still it's gcn pretty much base to the core it's still gcn it's 4096 stream processors we already know what the RX 580 that the max we're going to get out of this thing is fourteen hundred megahertz how is it going to be a 1080i please tell me how like this from the twenty-eight percent of people who voted how is that going to be how's it going to be on par with the 1080 TI I just don't see it happening just from looking at logical just looking at it logically I just can't see any insanity ah I can see it yeah coming in between a 1080 and 1080i sure I could see that that would be really cool i think that would hit hard but just from what we're seeing here with the specs I just don't see it happening because the we short it what is it you sure it's on the GC na well ya its jus seein basically unless they're going to radically use a new architecture which i'd love to see i'm hoping they do but i guess it's looking like it's the same cluster of stream processors on 14 nanometer just clocked higher with aggressive time more aggressive timings this that is that so memory might help again hbm too if it is it's if it's as advanced as AMD's toting and but I mean it's definitely going to have the memory bandwidth will be well we can see it's insane already at 512 so I mean like good grief that's going to help things but memory alone can't save you on the 1080i you know as gddr5 X the memory bandwidth there is very high or so so with this thing is based on the next compute engine so and NC you so I guess it remains to be seen we have to wait and see yeah I mean yeah I mean yeah it would be the the yeah I would be very very happy if it beat the 1080 ti it's not that i'm bashing ad that would be fantastic but blue the 1080i out of the water and it was for the price of say a 1080 I would be so happy i would probably Chuck one in my personal rig but but the thing is is that we have to get the hype under control and not look what happened to the fury X happen again that's what i mean but when we look at the specs here when we look at the 40 hours 4096 streets for the exact same cluster of stream processes when you look at Maxwell vs. Kepler or whatever they the configuration was changed up you know what I mean things were different so it looks like it's going to perform better but again you're looking at that you're like okay does that come from it just being clocked higher and having a lot more performance to do the 14 nanometer and having the higher clocks how much of this meant of how much of these teraflops is actually getting coming out of a new architecture and honestly doesn't look like it's going to be a huge amount that's just me being logically a logical thing in logical about it so of course I got to hand it ain t but this time around I'm I'm sort of jumping off the hype train because we haven't seen much this time around we have you know they did show vague I think they did so Vega at one of the events with doom yeah oh yeah that's the video Linus made ya when it was being it was beating a 1080 but it wasn't beating it by worlds like the the 10 ATT I will beat the 1080 in doom by quite a lot of play in ultra dude Ultra settings at four cows is getting like a hundred and thirty something else FPS 4k ultra on doom with the 1080 TI horas who huge so yeah yeah exactly so that it should be interesting they're saying it's coming with a limited edition reference liquid cooling design so if you guys are curious about that I imagine it would be very similar to the one they used on the fury x but of course will hopefully get non reference models as well rather than the fury x which ad you just got that liquid gold model yet to drop down to the non x fury card to get all the non reference the sapphire models and that we're gonna cheer up a bit but this time around guys I've jive jumped off the hype train here so yeah so yeah we got another another thing brought up by a lot of people here is this a whole AMD vs nvidia graphics card with the rise and cpus we see here an antec did show is the good article here when the point into rocket league someone's like I'll dude I'm not watching your can ultimately cause you use the 1080i it's like well you know you got to use an AMD graphics card it's like well no actually a lot of the titles are tested were dx11 I did test the DX 12 title and it did perform really well on risin with an nvidia graphics card and also vulcan performs extremely well with an nvidia graphics card to on the AMD verizon cpu so it again i think the onus is falling onto the game developers to it's not just okay people blame and video because we've got this result here where okay the the intel cpus are performing better with an nvidia graphics card versus a rise in cpu with an nvidia graphics card then when you change it over to the risin cpu with a risin graphics card is performing in the similar lead to the intel cpus so that was pretty interesting to see but then we look we'd look what Steve's done with his research he tested Ghost Recon wildlands you look at this difference here with the r x 480 on the risin cpu its performing a lot worse than an nvidia graphics card with a rise in cpu can you see that just like those two results you compare them there the verizon CB is performing a lot better in Ghost Recon wildlands with nvidia graphics card so that arguments kind of in a bit of I think mafia 32 Steve pointed to mafia 3 as well oh I didn't hit Lana to hit the like button for Steve why I didn't even hit the like button yet where they are doing more willing me yeah it's interesting looking at this antique article though the look at that look at that mafia 3 look at that yes steve was right telling me my fear 3 yeah ok that's a huge that's huge it's losing with an AMD graphics card now it's winning with a new media graphics card so we're yeah I guess it depends on the game as well it's not just the driver I don't think invidious out to purposely kill rise in cbus or anything like that no anything nvidia if anything would want their cpu i mean would want their GP is to perform better on a risin cpu so they could sell more gravis cards I don't think there's no I don't think there's any funny bug is being played there so you'd hope not now I don't think so but of course quite this dis article is a little bit it is good the point it's trying you know that the point it makes is is decent but you are seeing in some of the chastity of things like I nine fury at 4k and they're all scoring the same but if you ever look this like things like the i5 7400 a scoring the same as like the 7600 and you know the 1800 x and stuff that's just a full-on GP bottleneck there some of the RX 480 testing they did at 4k as well you see them all scoring the within like one or two frames each others within the margin of error and that once again that would be a GPU bottleneck and would be like we look at the 1060 but the 1060 it's a driver i could be a driver problem here with with rocket league that's all yeah yeah that's probably more of the case although you know yeah that that's that's probably more true because you're seeing in the 1060 of 4k even then it's the risings of dropping down so there's definitely something going on but of course this is these are the teething problems that we've been talking about for like a month now with rising it is brand new there's a lot of things that need to get sorted for it and we're slowly tick getting through that list of like bugs and issues is getting ticked off one by one getting better and better but um yeah if I was someone going to buy rising I wouldn't let this put you off too much as I imagine this will be addressed in the future but if you're already running or if you're going to be running an AMD graphics card with it then it won't be a problem if you're going to buy in five eighty or something or you got a 480 already then yeah it shouldn't be an issue at all yeah so there we go guys it's sort of it's going both ways it's not just in an nvidia graphics card on an AMD cpu and for what it's worth i absolutely love playing games with the 1080 TI on the risin r7 1700 it's a bada smooth experience it's absolutely awesome again of course you've got games like Wendell and steve from games Nexus Wendell from level one text they're going on this massive witch hunt like it's crazy with GTA 5 like they're going insane they got they got a little bit too far but like I think at the end of the day it's just like okay this game wasn't optimized a hundred percent for PC there's going to be stuttering there's going to be this that this that we look at fallout 4 same problem you get those little stud earrings and stuff so I think the best way instead of I mean trying to get to the why it's like well the game developers just didn't optimize it fully to poop for PC when we look at games that have been optimized fully for PC doom over watch these games they run just complete butter smooth on proper hardware and that again that's because they were designed for BC so I think yeah I don't know but yeah it's a long case but I'm going to be making some of my own content on it and I think if a game does starter in the future and it's stuttering on a lot of different hardware I think the only way to get around that is to say hey game developers please try and release some updates for this and furthermore just make a guide on how to make it as smooth as possible and then that's I guess how you get around it or just don't buy the game which is another workaround to yeah so the last article we got up here is the 12 core 24 thread CPU has been in engineering samples with the codes have been spotted and video cards of D ciphered at all and which is pretty impressive yeah but this is a cast so it 12 12 or 24 thread saying it come with a 2.7 gigahertz base clock 3.2 turbo for boost yeah this will be quite crazy if this is to come out there saying it's both servers and desktops this would really i mean like the the rice and sevens already you know pretty much killed off they killed off broadway lee but this would just be the nail in the coffin because I mean the 6950 X would just be obliterated by this I would imagine I'm given what we've seen from rising seven so yeah this could be quite crazy if this is going to be coming out on the X 370 AMG platform um yeah this would be not send it with wow yeah I would if you're out there going to building a workstation I would be not heading towards until anytime soon head towards rising seven but if you're wanting something just ridiculously powerful then maybe wait for this behemoth of a cpu to come out I mean Jesus 12 course the render times if you're doing video editing or anything would be insane I depends on the program though I'm finding after six calls to all threads it really starts to drop down a lot um though it has a lot of Vegas just loves it man that's gonna be better though that's gotta be better with premiere pro but it's still they all fall like if you're doing you should be using promo yeah that's better baby Vegas is good because it's really good but it with it it really doesn't make a huge difference I mean someone like this would really want to actually get the 12 or 16 cores and fully utilize them just like the jewels eons they really need to be utilized properly otherwise for the majority even for me there are wastes for a lot of people out there who are doing productivity and so a lot of people on a workstation I guess it would be overkill so I think the resin are seven 1700 is good and it's very good for a workstation CPU so again these chips would be for people who need those extra calls need those extra threads I have to go back and retest on the jewels Eon rig in the games because a lot of people they are dude no tues probably just not working so what I'm going to do is I'm going to disable hyper rating in revisit those games and see if it makes a difference if i disable hyper-threading and then it's working on all 16 threads then is not a node 1 node 2 problem so I'm going to actually go back and do that today and post it up on Twitter so stay tuned on twitter I'll be posting an update to that let you guys know straight away but yeah that's pretty much it they this cause coming and it's going to obviously need a different motherboard socket and should have quad channel memory support so it is going to be a great option for someone looking to utilize extra calls and threads than what risin are seven 1700 offers so here we go here guys we got the questions for the check lounge so other questions QA we're going to start winding up the show so if you've got questions of course then you can head on to the forums taxi DTV / forums and you can drop in a question for next week's QA we've got here when you done you'll be 350 overclock how hot did your vrm mosfet get not too hot I I put an active fan on there and if you're on a be thrifty be thrifty yeah that's what i call it nickname be thrifty yeah yeah that's a that's good that's no that's so good it's a good name isn't it be thrifty so if you're on the be thrifty get an active get an active cooling solution for your vrm because they you've got generally less phases on the be 350 and then secondly you've got to obviously they're going to get hotter and sometimes I don't even have heat sinks on them so if they don't have eight sinks and you definitely if you want to overclock then definitely go out get some heat sinks put an active cooling solution on it and get some good results from your be thrifty so next up we've got here a nice question i heard they get warm a lot so he's never actually really looked into it until recently he was getting up to 112 degrees oh that's what the stock heatsink okay you got to tell me the exact motherboard dragon Kurt well motherboard were you using so that's actually pretty damn hot I wouldn't want my varuns running in 112 degrees C just not constantly anyway especially on a cpu lineup passive heatsink so I'd suggest getting some active cooling on that and keep that vrm cool just for twenty-four seven stability obviously heat kills pc parts guys heat kills pc parts yeah a lot of things get the more likely they are to die it's it'd be a direct correlation if you did some studies this is just after years of experience with pc parts the harder things are there more likely they are to die so you want things running as cool as possible so when it comes to next question unless you want to throw in some extra insight keV no no no again yeah you're right okay so when it comes to bargain hunting builds if the systems are not overclockable like the hbz workstation builds would that be a deal breaker to you even if it was a good price and with the old stuff yes because the overclocking potential there is so damn big you're talking like sometimes you look at those eons you're going from 2.66 gigahertz all the way to four points something that's a 50-percent overclock and not only that everything else speeds up as well it's more snappier games run higher FPS and also it makes the cpu more relevant compared to today's products that are out there so that's what i like about overclocking on the old school stuff if for me it's generally i don't do the whole if it's not overclockable i don't even bother with it especially with HP bazi workstations and stuff like that cause you a lot of the time you'll need a proprietary power supply which doesn't come with it and they cost an arm and a leg it's just a lot of time to waste of time for me i don't even try to bother with it because i want to overclock i want to get that extra performance to make the cpu more relevant so anyway so something to consider that I haven't seen discussed is that the are fires are different than the r7's in that there is an all-call boost that is much lower than the top clock speed if anyone here if anyone core is incapable of stability at the top clock it will limit manual overclocking to the lower speed of that one chip well yeah that's it should do unless it's automatically crashing your computer for you you wouldn't want to do that so yeah I imagine if it's auto overclocking all cause it'll learn the overclock it to the max stable limit keep in mind though it could be a buggy thing I just when I do tests I usually either test that stock speeds out of the box or I just overclocked manually overclocking guys is always the way to go you want to manually overclock your gear that way you know it's running at those speeds you know it's stable at those speeds 24-7 for when you're doing your work I haven't had my cpu crash once when I'm rendering I haven't quite had it crash once in games that stability so if you're overclocking in your games we're now crashing as opposed to stock then you're overclocks not stable even if it crashes once every couple of days it's still not stable so you want to drop it down a little bit in speeds or up the voltage a little bit more depending on with those levels so last question we've got here is hey guys hey man what's up get a tractor I'm currently considering the upgrade to a verizon r7 1700 system this month and selling my 6600 kz1 70 motherboard and the cooler I'll be reusing everything else including the 16 gigabytes of Corsair 3000 meters ddr4 which I think happens to be the exact same stuff that was sent in all the rise and review kits I do music production and other creative endeavors a lot of multitasking and a fair bit of gaming to offset the single lesser single core speed I would ideally like to get the 1700 up to at least 3.9 Giga it's hopefully higher and I'd like to get I'll be able to get the ddr4 speed up to that too would you what do you think are the best be 350 models for overclocking also I really would good I really would good by us level fan control I you would like yeah he would like have that like to have BIOS fan control as the fan software I'm a gigabyte often needs resetting or reinstalling if there's a crash or windows update another consideration is the number of USB ports as I need quite a lot for my audio and MIDI devices and peripherals I would go for the X 370 board but they're all rather expensive many of the be through that you've always look like decent matches from my current and are much cheaper than the x-ray 70s I'm not sure if there will be compromises in overclocking there is compromised on a lot of be through be thrifty I heard the msi tomahawk is the best way to go that's what I'm hearing from a lot of people the Tamil yeah i would i would recommend that also hum that's a that's a really solid board i mean if you're looking to get 3.9 out of a 1700 you should be able to you really should unless you're really unlucky but then you'd probably only get knocked down to like three point eight a 3.85 but you should be able to get at least three point nine most likely if you get a decent one you'll get 4 gigahertz out of it and then you'll be able to take your memory upto like 29 33 um so that would be just fine but yet the msi tomahawk that's really solid if you're looking for something with the issue the bios are biased fan control he needs USB ports as well yeah something like the gigabytes um be thrifty gaming three yeah yeah the gaming three from gigabyte that that that one's pretty good as well I'm hearing a lot of good things from people in the industry about that as well so yeah either of those would be really solid best thing to do is just look up reviews on sites like Newegg you got all the user reviews there you can just comb through those and that'll give you a generally quite a good idea about it but i think they're the gigabyte be 350 gaming 3 is really solid I've only tested the asus be 350 prime plus and i thought that was horrendous but maybe it's funny as well I've had a guy update to the latest bias when I got it and it was like a two day release so I've had no problems with any be 350 motherboard I've used at the moment it's they're all fine I haven't had a problem person with any of them yeah I really think they're sort of hitting it up this generation I think they're really all these manufacturers are getting on top because of the they don't want bad press they don't want negative press oh my god my motherboard doesn't boy properly it's bad I don't think a lot of companies want that this time around they can't afford that it's getting so competitive so I haven't had it honestly I haven't had any problems with either of these gods awards I've got a gigabyte here gigabyte be 350 I've got it asrock k4 does well got the zeus and when I stuck the heatsinks on there and a fan on there it does really well too so I'm having no problems personally here I honestly if you're going from a 6600 cane you've overclocked it you're not going to depends on your GPU that again you're not going I don't really think you're going to see too much of a difference a like you'll probably get that whole system and be like man like you feel like oh my god I got eight cores 16 threads I got four times the threads available now like that'll be a cool feeling but it'll probably wear off after a few days and you'll be like okay really you know loading up games isn't faster doing things isn't really a whole lot faster so I'm just just warning joerger tractor it's it's cool to upgrade and it's fun and all that but this forgot from 6600 k that's overclocked to an i7 1700 like it unless you are really going into the depths of productivity and utilizing all those calls and threads I don't think you're going to notice too much of a difference there because you do music production and a lot of times those music production programs aren't optimized for 16 threads I did the mixdown pros onus mix down and that didn't utilize all the threads properly it started to cave off after I think of even possibly I've got to do the benchmark again but it did cave off definitely after eight threads it started to drop so yeah Heidi balls high clock speeds are still relevant so yeah yeah we hope you guys enjoyed the show winding down be sure to jump over to text City TV / forms if you've got questions for next week and of course you can become a patron because i would man steve from hardware unbox we're doing a live stream patron behind-the-scenes live stream every month so if you want to join that two dollar a month and you'll get access to that stream and that will be really cool so we'll be doing one of those this week hopefully and talking about rise and talking about benchmarking all that behind the scenes jazz and ya guys hope you enjoyed this stream is there any closing out statements keV you wanna no no it's just yeah this is really fun that hey everyone the comments all said they'll be thrifty oh there's also another 12 there's also another one when i was typing on my phone that the gtx 1080 TI horas the autocorrect changed it to the air boss and i think that's an awesome yes yeah it should be the air boss that's what it should be so that's the gigabyte 1080 TI airbus so that's another you weren't kidding you weren't getting at your review when I got the Auris this 1080 TI the extreme edition out when I was doing the unboxing video I couldn't believe how heavy this card is and it's huge my goodness is massive a but the pound that did the power consumption is massive to let's not kid ourselves here is ya know it's it's like a 980 TI overclock to the rim and a 1080i overclock to the rim 10mg eyes drawing considerable amount of more power like 70 watts more from the wall that's that's quite a bit like it's nothing to fret at considering our powerful the 980 I was so it's no laughing matter like that one that cool is doing its job man and it kind of really kind of like it reminds me of the Lightning days when msi released that lightning cooler that reminds me of that it's huge it's actually kind of relevant for this situation too I really like what they've done with the Auris the cosmedix that's not for everyone i'm pretty sure yeah a lot of yet and like it but i'm telling you now if you want to stick something in your pc and you want performance man does this thing perform Oh thrown ATT is insane well it performs for if the Auris performs for the Airbus it performs for a few reasons and that's because it's got the cooling there it's also in like when you ramp up the fans it's not that loud like it really i'll surprise eighty percent it was actually bearable like a game with these fans on eighty percent it's nowhere near jet engine or anything like that it's actually not even that noisy and then of course you've got that power target one hundred and fifty percent at least on the extreme edition i haven't tested the other one so on that note I'm not too sure but the extreme edition had a one hundred fifty percent power target and that made a big difference for games so you'll see it with other reviewers if there are over clocking these cards and they're overclocking a very hard so anyway guys we're going to wind up the stream kevs link to his channel will be in the description below and we will catch y'all next week for a beautiful show and I hope you all have a great easter wherever you out in the world and again I'll say it again if you don't celebrate easter hope you have a great time and we'll catch you next week peace out for now see you guys
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