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welcome back to episode 22 of the tech lounge I hope y'all doing mighty fine out there and i'm joined by kev from tax showdown how you doing man then great brian i just been getting through a lot of my rising 5 testing my delayed rising 5 testing because it took so long for us here in New Zealand to get them and be doing some my rx 570 testing also what about you bro yeah just been getting through heaps of videos the backlog is almost finished so i'm going to sydney on wednesday to meet up for the AMD event and also steve from harbor and box will be there so that'll be pretty cool so if anyone's in sydney and they're into tech just send us a message on Twitter and probably meet up afterwards for some beers and whatnot a few guys are in sydney and new tech enthusiasts so looking forward to that and then after that we'll go to the use pc build for the month i can't wait for that there's going to be a lot of other different videos coming so really cool what's coming up and also just got part two done of the r7 700 k vs are seven 1700 also going to be doing the multiplayer benchmarks i'm probably going to spend a bit more time after that because i want to go more in-depth even more in-depth like i was going pretty in debt films doing some real-world testing but i want to go more in-depth than that because i was playing a bit of Han last night and um this is a game that I played religiously like you know back when it was first released and of course back in 2011-2012 wells I went pretty high on the MMR rating and I was playing with some really top guys on on those servers and dude the the all 77 it's certainly no no the 1800 x it like the frame rates are just pretty low like I remember my frame rates always being over a hundred FPS in that game and that was on the four core of course it's a single threaded game whatnot but this was on like a the six core ivy bridge cpu and I remember having just really high frame rates all the time on that game and now I'm like getting like 80 FPS and stuff like that and it's kind of like hmm so I might be going back and doing some yes I might be going back and doing some testing with like maybe do some different testing like turn off branch prediction and stuff like that and see how it affects games because i don't think the branch prediction which is being used especially in productivity tasks i don't think it's really helping the gaming a whole lot especially multiplayer games which is where i know a lot of people are playing multiplayer games i'd say majority of people actually play games we play games online you look at csgo dota 2 and all these other games and yeah you see is risin is that it's like Kelly's heel could that be its weak point is competitive online gaming so that's something to look into part through a probably the most eye opening of the whole comparison but yea RS 570 I got one in and just haven't even looked at it yet I've actually got a ride I've actually got it like right here so here it is thats the gigabyte horas they don't really it's a minor tiger yeah they're doing a pretty good job man they're doing a pretty good job little solid card and of course we'll be talking about the RX 570 and 580 today a little bit as we go along but do you have any other use I've been talking too much no it's just done i'll be bringing out a video talking about the overclocking difference of the RX 570 compared to the 470 so both of them and quite interesting um they're the most interesting thing without giving too much way of the video already is um the stock power is so much higher on the RX 570 um you I mean the TDP went up by 30 watts even more bizarre is the fact that gigabyte that recommended psu actually went down by 50 watts so I don't know what's going on there um but yeah if you actually look a bit deeper you can see that it's actually in terms of millivolts in its highest state the 470 would usually sit at about thousand raised the 570 sitting at 1150 so definitely with these extra clock speeds they have up the power which is something you need to keep in mind but all these ones that non-reference you won't have the power issues we had with the reference one because if you guys remember back that was the it we had a six pin power connector which gives you 75 and they needed a drawer 75 through the slot and it was actually drawing more than it should have but all these non-reference ones are all eight pens now so it's not really a problem with that on 150 watt TDP a lot of people forgot about that issue back when the 480 first launched and we were all testing your mouth well we was we'll get into this topic straight away then since we're already talking about and this is the flashing of our X 480 s25 80s and some people have been recommending and some people like be careful my advice would be straight I haven't tried it yet but my advice would be to be very careful especially if you haven't flashed a graphics card before of course there's if you've got another graphics card on hand you have two PCIe 16 speeds lots of whatever and you've got you've got an onboard graphics on your cpu you don't really have to fear too much like if you just keep your original v bios so if you flash it and it breaks just flash it back and you'll be okay but of course it raises the question of course i think the RX 5 series is going to be a better bin especially on the 580 line i'm seeing clock speeds going into 1.4 gigahertz now my rx 480 never went even close i think got to like 1300 and 60 megahertz so if i try to flash it man i know the results already the thing would just not boot up it would just not work so again if you've got a RX 480 that can clock pretty high then the bios update may be beneficial because it'll also make the timings more tighter on the memory and stuff like that so there will be things that you can benefit from an upgrade but again if you're like a guy who lay mu has a pretty bad r x 480 in terms of overclocking then I probably wouldn't recommend it as you just have a bit of panic of course you can of course when you're editing the boss you can down clock the clocks and you can yeah it's so that it's good a bit of but on that note again just be careful I might you know maybe if you guys want to see a guide I can do that and maybe because I've got a bad are X 480 it'd probably be a good guide and that a lot of people would be low-key if he's got one of the worst rs4 80s out there then we can follow his guidance or to have success so hmm but on that they don't know that's interesting yeah it's no I just want to say that I i personally wouldn't I mean you can if you want but I'm tested the 570 and the 470 the exact same models from gigabyte and there's literally like two frames in it on average two or three so it's not really the only thing good i would say about the 570 from what i've seen so far is the fact that with that extra power it gives you extra overclocking Headroom um but it's bad from now so bubbly sorry you say a few frames what are we talking percentage-wise like I haven't done it in terms of percentage i just knew through all my benchmarks i ran the average frame difference for all the games and synthetics and otherwise our it worked out to be about two or three because the clock speeds there on the two gigabyte ones it's only a I believe 14 megahertz from memory different on the core and 400 megahertz on the memory so the memory actually is a decent jump up from 6600 to 7,000 megahertz but nothing much you know that's not much so that would only give you 2 or 3 FPS on average at 1080p um yeah it's it's just one of those things that i don't know i mean you can definitely do it but i think even in the article they say there's probably not going to be worth it for the vast majority of people you're just probably better off overclocking the year for 80 or 470 as high as you possibly can I look through guides you do need to tune man annually the voltages on them I'm just using that power slider you'll be very limited you actually need to go and raise it up to like 1,100 millivolts um across all states is a good way that's what I did I mean your power consumption will be kind of crazy but you know if you're wanting to get maximum performance you won't care about that and then you can really harness a lot of power out of it start getting up to sort of 13 50 megahertz type area may be higher if you get a really good one so that's what I would recommend doing instead that's where you'll get the most out of well one thing I've noticed about the RX for 70s especially compared to the 4 80's is that they always clock lower this is in what I've found as well I've had a heap of four 70s come through and they just don't go anywhere near the clocks of the 480 and this is on pretty much a bad for 80 so I'm wondering this time around as well I forgot where I pulled up the article I think it's this one here so we got the RX 570 s5 series I sku x2 from h-i us or his or her and I wish they'd just call it her that'd be pretty cool it's like yeah 570 her 580 his big brother little sister but um we've got here the boost clocks here are lower on the 570 like significantly lower right and then of course they got their 5 80's roaring soaring roaring up to fourteen hundred and thirty mega hertz so this again it looks like the 5 80's even compared to the 57 teaser again that possibly that better been of model and i had a lot of people telling me like look dude if you can get a 480 it's only an extra twenty bucks even if it's the four gigabyte model over the 470 and I kind of after seeing a lot of these different results and the way these card manufacturers are bringing out these 5 70 s and 5 80's I'd probably have to agree maybe if you guys are looking and you're seriously looking and you're looking at pulling the trigger on that one hundred and sixty dollar RX 470 maybe have a look at the time what the cheapest are X 480 is going for or and in this case if you've got a 570 versus of 580 and they got the same amount of vram maybe think about getting the 58 that entry level one because it looks like it's going to overclock better it looks like it's going to actually be a better bin so yeah exactly one thing they say in this article which I do agree with which is perplexing is why do they raise the core speeds up so high like 1430 in this case but then they leave the memory hat stock you'd think that they would if i remember back to the 290s in the three 90s for that matter um and 390 X's and 290 X's they would the non reference models a lot of them would have up to memory as well so it was sort of like they would up the core by 50 megahertz whatever over reference and then the up the memory like 200 400 600 megahertz as well it just seems strange a that they'll bring their core boost speed up so much but then leave the memory alone and when we know this Headroom to go higher it's not like these are fully stretch they can't go we know that they can go higher so I think I might know the answer let me put on my thinking glasses here away wow these are legit glasses holy okay the answer is they're using cheap memory and no one really looks at memory speeds so there you go you've got to save some money somehow dude so put in some cheap memory bank don't put in the you know the expensive stuff putting the cheap stuff and then just put it at standard a key bits per second Booya yeah ok so it next topic we wanted to talk about here is the hardware pole so you pull this up you got a hard way Paul now I did actually really this is coincidence till I did a poll on Twitter so I beat you guys they did this 10 hours ago I did mine maybe 36 hours ago so I did the I just said which would you buy given the chance the i7 7700 k or the r7 1700 is I'm doing the comparison right now I just want to know what heaps of people think so if you guys want it well the votes finished now but if you guys want to vote on these polls you can head over to twitter twit twit ear to a Twitter do twitter.com / taxi DPC and I did this survey and we I just said you know which would you buy given the chance and is I was surprised a lot like still a lot of people would still buy the 7700 a forty-one percent versus fifty-nine percent on the r7 1700 so uh yeah i mean i thought i thought the r7 1700 would have gained a lot more momentum going into this survey and now people can say it's only six hundred and seven votes but at the same time a lot of my audience they're very open minded I know a lot of these guys are very open minded so they like price performance wise as well so very orientated towards price performance and they would probably you know 41 sound still go with an i7 7700 k despite it having half the cause and half the thread count of course it overclocks how it's got the better IPC and whatnot but that's just yeah what do you what do you take out of those results I just think it's because they're you you're sort of looking at it from the same way I suppose I might look at it or someone like Steve might look at it um or I saw a chris from tick tablets who's really nice guy that's a great journal go check that he replied as well um saying he went for the 1700 but it's because we're all creators who gain so we need the cause for the productivity and stuff is of course we will one hundred percent trend towards the 1700 but the people out there that don't do any of that stuff at all and just care about gaming they will go for that 7700 k higher clock speed speed or IPC that's what the games want so or benefit from so they will go for that and only in very specific scenarios and i love these rice and cpus and i would i'm sort of voids in the back of my mind thinking about going over getting an xray 17 going towards the horizon 1700 um but there's very few games that i've seen with the 1700 or any of the rice and sevens will beat the 7700 k and just straight up average frames um the cabling CPUs are still very very powerful and very good and gaming however when we go to productivity then that's a different story those Rosa Simmons just smoked but that's the thing that's basically but that's what I'm going to put out they don't like for what I do editing yeah I use the premiere pro suite for a lot of my productivity so that's where I guess if my results come out they're all in a similar league my 6th Corps the broad well II six core the eight core i7 1700 even the r5 1600 and then the 7700 k they're all in the same league like as opposed to when I first went to the six core 12-3 that I was using a fork or for doing all my video editing and stuff like that you know when i went from that fork or to the 6th scores 12 threads man was it a world of difference i remember doing that back in what 2014 or something so that was a world of difference that was huge that was a big upgrade i noticed it not only everything was way better at productivity but also i had more room when I was doing productivity I had the extra calls and threads and I could go do other things without my computer choking but nowadays like the 7700 k of course if you're doing a final render than the other options all the other options i tested will be better because the 77 re ok just gets maxed out when it's doing its final render time so you can't do anything else unless you want you know a really sluggish performance but the austin 700 you can still browse the web and do other things and create a thumbnail why your video is rendering which is really good and saying but I could still do that on the six core the 6800 k so there's not like there's not a huge world of difference of course the 70s are seven 1700 is much better value than a 6800 k but still like I'm finding I guess a lot of people when we talk about smoke like you said before when it smokes it in productivity again what productivity are you doing that's kind of like oh yeah I'm meaning main like render times number crunching stuff because in my testing the 7700 non k takes about five minutes seconds to render a 13-minute 1080p video in 1080p and where the 1700 will do it in three and a half minutes or less so you know there's a pretty and straight up you are correct in straight up render times those rise in sevens but it makes sense you've got a quad core eight thread against a eight core 16 thread of course it should be but of course it's not exactly half but um yeah I I think it's that's that might have been part of why it is I do I think that key be like CPU is good value for money no that wasn't the point I was trying to make um it's just that I can understand where those people that are just purely doing gaming just that's all they're doing might still trend towards that maybe if they just don't care about the value for money thing they just got money to burn they just want a really good gaming CPU they could still be a place there but the article the wccftech hardware survey that they've been doing you can go through and there's obviously I think there's quite a few this is we just enthusiasts I imagine would be filling this out most of these have about 2,000 votes the most interesting ones for me there are how much people are willing to spin and for the GPU and the CPU it seems like the majority only by tiny like one percent on the GPU will spend three to four hundred dollars then the next lot are looking it's been six hundred dollars plus so that's quite an interesting also and a lot of people out there will want to spend quite a bit on a GPU and it's a sort of similar fair when you go down to the how much people would spend for a cpu but bit more in favor but and nowhere near as high people were third of people would spend between 300 and 400 dollars whereas only a quarter will spend between two and three hundred dollars basically all that tells me is that people are more willing to spend higher amounts like four hundred dollar Plus which should say three hundred dollars to say seven hundred dollars on a GPU whereas a lot less people are willing to spend over four hundred dollars on a cpu and that's pretty good thinking for the most part you do obviously I want to be spending more on the GPU a lot of people say use the fifty percent rule so whatever your CPU costs yet another fifty percent I don't know from my case or under 6900 k you have to buy like like the tiny XP or something but there but that's it's kind of a good idea you definitely want to use the majority of your budget on this is for gamers people doing product to the stuff is obviously different but the game is you want to be using the majority of your budget on the GPU that should be the most expensive thing you buy in your build and that's basically what's being told here is the bwood surveying will be spinning the most as most of them will only spend wanting to spend half of people 100 to 200 dollars on the motherboard and 300 or 400 or less on her cpu but people are willing to spend four hundred dollars and up on a GPU like half of people so that's a big discrepancy there and that's what I think was interesting about this survey in there and the fact that maybe we will start seeing these GP prices just keep going up and up as people does seem like yeah well I willington hafer well there's a few things yeah I didn't see the r6i i quickly banged in Samantha's but our five 1600 I sorry I didn't see you before the i7 17 hundred I voted the l7 1700 over the r5 1601 it's clearly a mistake now but how much would you again how much would you pay for a good cpu we see the results I kind of they're pretty like they're all around there so like they're all around there there's not one real I guess three hundred four hundred dollars is taking the crown there but again same with the GPUs the the money's sort of the money shot is scattered all around there so I guess people there's all different people with all different budgets out there and I think that's where these companies have to see this data because I guess the money stuff there's going to be no bias there that's pretty much just people okay voting this is what i would want with my money and this is how much I've do spend so i think this is the most interesting part is how much would you pay for a good graphics card how much would you pay for a cpu and so companies would want to look at this like intel and AMD and they want to offer all different SKUs for that so there are people who would spend like me I'd spend 500 600 dollars on a really good graphics card if it gave me really good performance and I think that it's already represented though what if you think about a prime because think what the Intel let's say the 7700 k new zealand sells five hundred and fifty dollars and that's like the top one if you want to go for a gaming cpu but then let's think of a gaming GPU for example in new zealand if you're wanting to get it 1080 you'll be done running double that or a 1080 TI you'll be running double there plus and few hundred dollars more see you're paying 550 for the Intel's top gaming CPU but you'll be paying about a thousand to 1100 for a very high-end nvidia GPU nervously vegam may change that but that sort of shows that the markets are reflecting that but the other thing i found interesting which it might be a little bit of bias here but it was what went down the bottom and which was what or in the middle i should say which ad in board vendor do you trust the most and it was a zhuzh by thirty percent which is that kind of surprised me then ms I were twenty one percent then sapphire was sixteen percent and then gigabytes thirteen percent this is for greatest cards I mean for motherboards I'm actually with asrock there yeah poor galax didn't even make it on the phone on the list yeah mrs. still have a big big following same with MSI that both a lot of their cards are selling a lot of their motherboards are selling really well this is something that we're seeing a lot of this it's it's funny because I you know I just thought about would have been like my graphics cards have been very good to me actually over the fire I yes I would have thought gigabyte would have been quite high up there because out of that if I to pick the ones I trust the most out of that list i would say for AMD cards sapphire I've had quite a few set by cards they build a very good graphics card I really do like safe I think they do a very good job yeah but with just cards in general you know both sides of the fence the gigabyte cards have been really really solid for some reason I get this on my videos all the time people see all but gigabyte cards have coil wine issues I don't know weird that started but I've tested like probably a hundred graphics cards now since I've done the channel all different models and everything so it's probably more than most people own in their lifetime and it's been all the different brands and I haven't noticed I even gone to put gigabyte cards in and then you know every time it's been horrendous coil one because I would start to take note of that I seem to see that coil wine it's just card dependent I can have three models of gigabyte card and one will have bad coil 1 the other two might not and then i'll check in a zoo scarred and that'll have even worse for one I think it's very specific on the card but as I've told you guys plenty of times so many people allow all the card cool ones like crazy and playing CS go because you like your FPS is like 300 something and it's just screaming so just put an FPS cap on there I know your heart refrigerate I don't do that on CS go and you can't put us here you can't put a cap on csgo that's one game where you don't put an FPS cap on there you actually thought I was a benefit of running 300 FPS FC I'm just assuming you're running say a 60 Hertz 1080p monitor because that's what the majority of people run it's about worries about all Jack drawing the fastest frame as soon as possible like CS goes a really competitive game so it comes down to sometimes a few milliseconds so you know if you're if you're playing for freaking big money which csgo does have big money is the same with dota 2 or any other competitive game you want no fee Singh because that you don't want Regency yeah a friend is I'll even even regards to what's coming out of your monitor you ask any pro gamer would they have screen tearing and low input lag or no screen tearing and input late they'll see the first option no input lag it's all about getting the frames as fast as you're drawing the data up to your screen as fast as possible if your approach us every millisecond counts and this is the thing like people say like there'll be people out there that would be like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's like dude are you have you played a game competitively on the pro level because if you have and that's such a scrub statement like you have to get the fastest you have to get the basically the best setup you can if you are getting to that level obviously if you're if you're like a you know mediocre player and you're going out and spending all this money on gear it's not going to make you a better player you have to have the skill there to begin with yeah but my house yeah if you have the skills and you are on top of your game then you know drawing the friend having high FPS and stuff like that it's just it's a tool that helps you bet it then helps you win yeah yeah I get that so maybe it was a bad analogy on my part but you would agree with me in the sense if you're playing in non-competitive yeah like that you wouldn't want that high FPS because that will give you that horrendous coil wine which is the main problem a lot of people who have is just from that but no I haven't noticed it with fear by cards any worse than any of the other ones it just seems like but if you buy same jokes as well yeah yeah it's the high-end cards usually generally this isn't this isn't always the case but the ones with upgraded components on their flagship models in theory there should be less likelihood of you having that problem but people still get I tested the flagship extreme edition gigabyte natt I and I still heard a little bit and I heard someone the MSI to net ETO as well and they had upgraded components yes I think it's um that's quite interesting the reference card think is a pretty interesting as well that people only by that's a way we should expect them you know people buying the the non reference models most people don't buy a reference model unless it's a very good version of it the RAM thing was interesting to 16 gigs or under is the most popular well that kind of falls into it they have better cooling solutions that falls into they have better build quality that's what I'd call that um you know what what can be taken out of this survey is majority people love the custom graphics cards they wait for them vrs dead and majority people don't own a VR headset so I think it's too expensive the barrier to entry right now for that but the CPU configuration those last thing I wanted to talk about with this the that's interesting because this asking what people have right now the third of them have four core four threads and thirty-one percent have four core eight threads so already you know sixty four percent of the market is running those quad cores with or without hyper-threading only see fourteen percent there with the ache or sixteen threads which I would assume a lot of them would be people on Intel's extreme platform with things like 6800 case or on has relieved but and there would be rice and chips in there for sure rice and sevens but yeah and of course as I said before just under that 1080p 60fps 60 Hertz I should say um or know that saying minimum standards minimum frame rate yes so they would want 1080p60 that makes sense the vast majority people are still gaming at 1080p sings like hurts it's I'm not dead going into this comment I was going to scroll down more but I'm not going into the wccftech comment section we're not doing that to you guys yeah it's pretty good okay so the next article you pulled up here from wccftech again is a it's the sky oh cabi lake x and sky like x chips so they're rumored to be pushed forward to copy tax which is kind of what we've been hearing about that it's also some bizarre things going on so now we're looking at what we've got a 12-core coming out of the mix as well and something that I wanted to talk about straightaways like okay we're seeing now that I guess the majority of end users don't like especially from the testing I've recently done is that 16 threads will be you won't really want any more than 16 threads if you are you know whatever simple office home office Soho or whatever it is and you got your workstation and your game on it I think 16 threads is currently the best point to be at if you can afford it for someone who's just working at home or whatever working in studio and they got their workstation I think that's the best option but of course we're seeing 12 cores 24 threads and of course Intel's going to charge for that you know what one can we know sexy here tell me guys what comments what do you think of the single costs I'm guessing two grand straight up yeah Australian or not legal us I think two grand us is a football yeah 12 cause through the upping the core count again you saw the price increase from eight to ten was huge so 10 to 12 it goes without saying it might even be exponential you might pay three grand who knows it I I think rice and I don't think they'll go for increased price in this timer I think it'd be decrease I think it'll come in it two and a half grand newzealand depends on how well that ten course old though that depends on how well that ten course old remember until there's that data we don't know that data how well did that tent or sell if it's all pretty well then they're going to again they'll pull it off but again that pricing of that 12 call though will give you the answers you need to know if it is a high price then that means that the 10 core sold pretty well if it isn't a gret more aggressive for us and that tank or didn't sell it well at all so that all proof is always in the pudding guys it's always in the numbers they let you know a lot more than you think they do when you analyze them but here we got this is a weird article here a little bit because it's saying the cabbie like X will have a total of forty lanes and then we scroll down and it's got 16 lanes there and then of course in this bottom graph here it's saying there's got 46 lanes um so I guess one thing is sky like X and cabbie like X I'm kind of confused about what exactly is going to happen here Nexus it's a year all the liver bazaar where we're seeing so much conflicting things in this one article but the the market share will be i mean the the chipset upgrade text 299 that might be worth it we'll just have to see otherwise Skylit x looks like what we would expect aside from the 12 core you'll get a teen corps and a core and six core ah the kb like x quad cores that's an interesting step um yeah i'm not entirely sure where that guy fits in but if Intel is going to be releasing it then they must have done some you know research into it and see they think there's a gap there I'm for the kb like x trips to get on maybe i'm just going to chuck this out there maybe the chipset upgrades of x 2 99 will be so good / z 270 that some people might go to it just for that and they just throwing the quad core in there just so people can put a cheap with that she she pissed i should say cpu on that platform but i don't know it's going to be interesting the most interesting thing for me though with this once it come i mean this has been brought forward a lot we were hearing like August before so obviously Intel's feeling pressured to bring this forward but the pricing that's as I've said in my videos when I did the rise in seven showdown Singh its broad well II i run Broadwell II and I'll admit it's dead right now I wouldn't recommend to anybody to buy a Broadway lead ship Oh verizon seven right now because just strong pura value for money standpoint the rice and sevens are so much better so that's why I'm hoping that the price will be up quite a lot lower with sky like x over broad well II I don't know if that's possible for Intel we don't know what the margins are I would imagine they had pretty hefty margins on there if I'm gonna be cheeky and put that out there I because the margins were pretty big between those different you can see you you really know they are I mean you look at the g14 look at G 45-60 penny emits the same core hardware that's in a 7700 k look at the mark-up once huge that's a huge markup if they're still making profit of a G 45-60 what does that tell you about 7,700 k yeah exactly so this they have the room there to move down and they just going to have to there should be I would hope that the 7900 k which I guess it will be caught maybe that'll be the 10 core this time but whatever the the a course skylight xcp you should be at the same price point that something like an 1800 x it has to be the in New Zealand that would be I think I'm talking my mind that's like the 800 new zealand dollar price point that's where it has to be which means that that pricing would be the same as what the entry level 6 core was on Broadway Lee the 6800 k so that's um yeah they've really going to need to bring down their pricing there I'm sure those motherboards the X 2 99 are going to be massively expensive so that'll probably offset it to some degree but um yeah I think they're and also moving forward as well move we got these 16-core rising ships apparently which is an april cpu kind of coming i will say that X through 99 it's funny that X 370 AMD would did a smart move with that numbering of their motherboards because if in jail does release X 2 99 and AMD have X 370 out there an X 3 99 or whatever they're going to call it I mean there are any one leg ahead of Intel so smart naming scheme there I mean maybe Intel might want to think about going to it like a 1000 series numbering scheme that would probably be just to differentiate it that aimed he did pull a slow move with it with their naming scheme I think they really did so anyway yeah the I mean the 16 cause again guys like the 12 cores or this even the 16 core AMD's like I'm really not I mean I will talk about it but I'm really not going to be too pleased about again after doing a lot of testing I'm not really interested in anything over a course 16 threads whether it's intel or AMD it's I don't think it's like for the average guy was especially for my audience I don't think it really pertains to anyone's interests except for hey look what I can do with whatever SQL or something like that it's it's really not much about it and not sure interest as we saw even ashes NSYNC oh I don't know what's going on with voice he at jaja what you do to me so we've got here like you saw in that dx12 ashes singularity for example a game that was meant to be the best for dx12 was meant to be DX twelves poster child yet we only saw 16 threads max being utilized and I confirmed this because i went back and disabled hyper-threading on the dual xeons and what that did was we've now got two CPUs but they're only 16 threats at 16 course 16 threats and all and lo and behold it was all 16 threads will being utilized now so the extra in 16 threads which is dead and that's going to happen on a lot of games for the next few years so I guess you know the eight core 16 thread is where it's at in terms of max for the average consumer or the guy doing work station staff for it depends on of course without you without going too overboard depends on the application that you're using you know obviously if you're using a specific application that's going to use 32 threads then you're going to know what you need and then you'll go out and buy that if you really need the extra speed but for the average guy just looking to buy something at the moment aight course these thing threads is kinda like the max that i'm going to be looking at personally so that yeah i mean that's that there will be a place for them um not not so much i would say with the average user but there'll be commercial uses i'm sure but then there'll be there'll be a place that they these companies have done their research i don't think they would release something that they thought no one would end up buying um so there will be a place somewhere for them but you are right in the sense that yet the majority of users ecor 16 threads is going to be really really solid as we've seen with those rows and five 1600s they're extremely good value for money if you want to build like a cheap workstation / gaming rig um oi man can you build one sheet now that's that's for sure so that's really good it was good next article invidious Volta reportedly poised for just reportedly anticipated poised for epic other this toddler just confused me ok so it's poised for an early quarter 3 2017 launch so what we're looking at here is in video apparently they're having more success on a 12 nanometer fabric yeah so they're looking to launch this early I mean it doesn't matter I mean for a company like in video they're going to launch these products whenever sales start dropping for their previous generation I mean I think they've already got poulter in the works they've already got it ready and so they're going to release it as soon as possible and so I'd really be looking forward to a gtx 1180 i want to see what this architecture brings because nvidia have and i give them credit for that they have consistently year-on-year given us gains whether it be through just you know sheer offering heap more cuda cores or Maxwell or Pascal optimizations however they've done it we've still when we do the benchmarking we've still got a heap more FPS out of their flagship cards over year-on-year kind of thing so I have been pretty impressed with what they've been doing and so I am looking forward to voltar personally of course Vega man because it just has to get out there it's I you know AMD's really have to launch that soon otherwise if voltar comes up is really that's why I'm hoping for I mean that's the rumor they're launching it at computex but shouldn't we be hearing a lot more about the leaks like you know maybe just keep me out really really silent or it's only a month away and we just usually there's more leaks there's more sort of juicy details coming but there's really not a lot on Vega at this point in time it can't be later then that I think it may be maybe if it could I just don't know this will be interesting though they're saying the reason is that there as you rightly pointed out the they had very not very good sales in the start of the Sierra basically in 2017 nvidia sales haven't been what they really want um what they wanted so yeah it's going to be called apparently it's going to be called the 20 geforce twink 2000 series so it'll be the 20 80 and they also say it will be using GDD are six won't be ready so it's going to either be hbm to or GD gddr5 x memory on there if it's hbm to that sort of i think what it's looking at right now and that would be very very cool and on the 12 nanometer process see ya this could be very interesting if you guys don't know q3 is what does that July to September right the top of my head yeah be around yeah so so it'll be in that time period will step to loan me some more September made it BTW yeah you're looking at usually when they say these quarter figures and they're rushing a launch if they are it's going to be towards the end of the quarter so september-october actually would be accurate if they are going to look for that launched before christmas ramp it up that'd be very interesting to see I mean of course a video of just been making gains as this article points out their revenues just been gone off the charts so yeah I mean whatever they're doing is working and some but of course like we saw the rise and CPUs how much competition they brought to the market we're all hoping Vega brinks competition in the market and of course like I've said vague is really good i'll be changing over like I've got no problems in using the best hardware for me at the best price point and then recommending it to my viewers as well that's something you know hey look you get come near you get it straight down the line there's no like company logo ah let's just go get that magic because the company logo none of that's going to happen brothers and so we're going to see what's what's installed but again like they send this article the you know they pulled off a Hail Mary with the rise in cbus they did do it they did do a really good job bryson CPUs are really good they are behind you know their architecture at the moment gcn is behind in videos in terms of arm the price performance per watt you know that's a big key factor of course going in power performance what's going on man I gave his name professor wants down and performance per watt is a huge indicator man it's so underrated but it is a massive indicator of where our company's at in terms of their architecture performance per watt so in other words for GPUs would be like IPC kind of thing if you were to take it from CPUs two GPUs that gives you an idea where the company is at now with NVIDIA they are ahead with pascal over gcn and volta is only going to is only going to get better with Volta so I am a little bit worried in AMD if they can't release vega and it doesn't hit as hard like rising hit with the cpu lineup then that could be a really bad thing for them so yeah yeah and this thing as well that this will be there going to be increasing the price as it can um so yeah guys at bought you know when pascal came out and everyone was going oh look the prices increased again on the founders edition and everything ah yeah the UH it's going to be going up again so you're really going to be paying for all this extra power I suppose but Vega will be powerful we know it's going to have 4096 stream processors which have you imagined Apple RCP with that many like well and this is going to be grunty so let's just hope that as I said I don't think it'll be the 1080 ti I just don't see it but the I think it will slot in between the 1080 or the 1080 TI bi or beat the 1080 only by a little bit but coming at a significantly lower price but probably will be using a lot more power I'd imagine something like children Tiffany five if that does come out of the if that does come out and then voltar comes out then I mean there's just I'm worried about Andy and the GPU department hopefully they can do it with viggo acai should've been is quicker that's the thing it's taken too long they had a good gap if it had come out and something like februari I mean that would have been a good time um even January but was possible that's what we were hearing last year and it's just being pushed back and to the point now that they're only going to have the market to themselves in terms of before volte comes out for like three months or something and then thinking it Walter will come out which will probably maybe undercut it so yeah um it should have been a lot quicker but what I there I keV cheer up man I got some really good news for you okay no good cheer okay nexon here Crytek closing down they haven't paid the rent I say Crytek in shanghai i believe it is just haven't paid the rent so guys there's no more crisis coming out in a more Crytek so crisis for you i think we can forget about that one that's sad so yeah end of an era i suppose but that's what it's weird because i thought like you know China and Shanghai at the moment off the chain I thought money was just getting flown around everywhere and these poor guys can't even pay the rent jeez yeah well I guess this stuff up there I don't don't worry Crytek youtube's the same scenario at the moment man like Armstrong struggling to pay the rent [Laughter] YouTube's Sammy to revenues down views down interactions down all this jazz it's all down yeah it's been pretty pretty rough lately especially on our small guys and we'll fill in a Franco you say watch this video I said that emerging is only going to get worse before it gets better yeah I didn't like that I like oh ok he's actually if he had to say something he spoke to someone and he's like giving a hint on what's going on out there so yeah it's Crytek's not the only one going through some financial stress guys so yeah and the salaries to damn I feel sorry for the salaries man like that's sad you know people like people just work in jobs and then they get like block salaries man that's that's harsh so we need to go fund me page for the crud take people who didn't get paid this salary Crytek helped now with the wages mix up we've got call of duty world war two confirmed so you like you say they go on full circle here they gone full circle back to the original formula call it Judy air do I'm really looking forward to this as much as I'm not looking forward to the lazy game engine optimization updates that call the duty do i do like the cod formula and you know i know people are gonna go at me in the comments like how dare you like cod um you know but hey can't help what I like you know what I mean so I like a chicken cheese avocado had some last night beautiful food you know but some people vegetarians don't like that so you know call of duty it does it is a good game like I like just jumping into cod and you're in a game instantly and then you just fray it's a great game to pick up and play for 20 minutes I've always said that about caught really cool thing I like about of course the game engine optimizations are hard you know a lot of the times especially the last was black ops 2 was the last one that I really enjoyed for pc I thought they do a pretty good job like it was it ran really smooth and then of course they brought out the you know advanced warfare and stuff and it was just like wow it was just that ghost was terrible they never actually fixed that there's just a starter fest and yeah just like I hope I hope they get it right with this one but obviously I lost you didn't say that for the last few I hope they get it right guys I hope they get it right because i like my cot no I and that's the mean the optimist inside me says that they will but then of course we've been let down like pretty much three times previously after black ops 2 been let down so is this going to be another letdown you know and then they decided to make a new game studio to sort of pass the buck around you know there's not then the guys who made Ghost amen were branching off a new team now they sort of yeah don't worry it was it was their fault but these guys are making the next one so don't worry it's just a cycle I mean hopefully like you know I'm going to say this if what a war two if this one's if ya call of duty world war two is bad then I'm officially given up on cod if it's not if it's unoptimized and it's trash I'm given up and I'm not coming back to cod does think that's wondering what they're doing it because the infinite warfare didn't do very well so they've got to go back to their roots to get it right I suppose so hopefully um it's about the Gateway it's about not about the gameplay really it's about them having these crappy options in there like Max and I dfps and stuff like this is just absolute crap it's like guys you get paid a crap ton of money to make these games people buy them like freaking he'll make the game better but then again I guess it's like me suckers like me keep buying the game because we love the original plague especially black ops 2 i love that i liked black ops 1 and world of war was when world of war came out that was like pretty good at the time um their campaign anyways I really enjoyed that so call of duty call of duty suckers we're taking your money edition that's I mean hopefully it's not always that wolf it yeah well I mean it's just like yeah like it's not it's not about the actual gameplay running on walls and stuff I can get used to that and have a bit of fun it's just when you got capsule like 90 FPS and all this crap going on and it's like it stutters on really good hardware to it's kind of like what is going on it should shouldn't even start on mediocre hardware that's the thing it should be running well on all types of hardware so people can play it and enjoy the game so yeah ranch over that I'm hoping they get it right I'm going to officially call it from me anyway I'm this is it this is it for God if it does well then I'll give them another chance if it doesn't do well see if it does well this time I'll give them another three strikes but this is it third strike I'm out my fourth strike in this case s'okay next next article here we got biostar launches to mini-itx aim for motherboards now people have been going crazy over this people want a mini-itx motherboard people like damn I want to make a mini ATX AMD reisen build and so it looks like biostar delivering though on that note the vrm does I mean you can't even see the MOSFET co a 14 pen cpu connect up you know the i think these things draw a 115 watts power / 4 pin so you may be limited with this overclocking guys I mean you've got 22 dimm slots they're just just saying you might not be able to make the risin mini-itx pc of your dreams you know when i'm thinking rising mini-itx i'm thinking kickass water cooler kind of like that z 270 mini-itx from asrock that are reviewed that thing was just absolute bangers man that thing was huge for a mini-itx board of course you only had two dimm slots again limited options on mini ITX due to the space restraints but again that single 4-pin man that's worrying me so what happens you know cuz risin my mind mind uses up 140 watts when I'm stress testing so if the power draw is limited to like 115 what's maybe I mean unofficially officially it might be a bit bit officially 115 what's unofficial it might be of course it might be higher but it's a little bit worrying i mean the vrm does look pretty mediocre already just by looking at it so i know a lot of people when they think x 370 they're thinking overclocking they're thinking enthusiasts this a little bit little bit skeptical just sorry guys gotta cheer up jaja yo cheer me up bro now this is Phyllis gave me a kiss I'm all chewed up man ya know I think I think you're yeah what you're saying is right but I think a lot of people will still really like these um I think they'll go right man for people at least oh you know it'll it's a good start I definitely like the price point 129 for the x3 see ya 109 for the be 350 bit it looks like we've got both models up here and there doesn't look like there's any difference on the vrm on both models so no it's just looking at that yeah so I mean like I can understand on the be 350 but the x3 70 when people pay in that extra 20 bucks or whatever it is they want that it looks like they're just paying for the license in this case so even though there shouldn't be any SLI on now I'd want wonder how that works a on the X 370 because is the SLA license baked into the X 370 chipset license anyway questions questions questions I don't have the answers to sorry about that but yeah it looks like the be 350 in this regard get it with an r5 1600 stock rising cooler and you should be maybe three-point-eight gigahertz at a sweet spot overclock calling it for you guys there it is Booya you have any think that on that no you said it on but thanks bro alright so good gtx 1080 TI game rock so this is from palais i supposed to Steve on how to pronounce this he said it was palette is always pronounced it I like Palais but when they're be PA el AE doesn't matter men like when you're using these fancy French words like cafe you just say kaif i am going to the cave to have a coffee I suppose you want to come to the cave with us is it actually a French company I don't know man I just it to me it sounds like Palais when I'm I've see I've started to read these words he started getting to the site the word cat okay well there you go same sorry not the same thing I was gonna say same three the same thing different name made up overseas yeah so yeah we'll go to the cave and we'll go get will bring up palette graphics card to the cave and then have a coffee what have you how does that sound sounds fantastic right cool why why why I brought up this model was it's got four fans so even though it's got two fans it's got underneath that another two fans so it's kind of like you got some jet engine stuff going on here do you think their final do you think this thing when you put it in your computer do you honestly think this graphics card will start it'll start pushing that much air that'll take off from the PCIe slot and blow out of your cart and then fly around like a balloon I I don't actually know if this is a good idea I mean I can see where they're going with it but I I mean like I know how jet engines worked at turbines bangs that doesn't really seem but I mean hey would have to see once once it gets tested but there is an interesting approach I mean usually you would have the first fan that's just the intake and the second one's the compressor but that doesn't really make sense because if you compress the air it'll get hot so oh yeah it I think this is just like they thought how can we make it really different yet and they said well put four fans on it will say it improves temps and then let's just see if it does but yeah people start testing it and pay the temps are really really good then great but I don't really see it right now um how can we do this thing I know I know stick some ugly game rock text on there oh man like that yeah it's not an extremely appealing car deserve it actually that's good except this text on the lower left corner here like someone went to you know dafont.com download it's typed in rock and then been like hey guys I made up the text it took me a whole day than they did it like five it's here game rock yeah that looks good let's stick that on the bottom left hand corner here like I i don't know i don't like it man the baby blue across the top and then this like navy blue across the middle and i think i think it looks different i think i could really stand out in a particular build but i just think this gay in a particular one but for the average consumer i don't know why they don't just make them color neutral and then just add the RGB LED so people can change them to make them eat them that's good yeah and that's this very valid but yeah this game rock tax man I don't know what it is yeah it is it's yeah hopefully that's just printed on so you can get like an eraser or something and just like rub it off yeah yeah it should be interesting these these speeds is coming with our interesting the saying what 50 on the premium model 1594 i'm guessing its meaning the boost speed and it's so see mode which isn't particularly high compared to other ones now the msi and I think the Auris is well do better so yeah they're all the way there in 1600 something so are you and the memory 70 loads something oh yeah yes weird whatever okay well that's it I just wanted to look at the for fans that's all I thought it was pretty cool how do you pc you know your graphics card will now be able to take off outside your case why are you gaming yes so guys if you're playing games on this graphics card and your screen just suddenly goes black and then you hear a big crashing noise in the background you know what happened okay yeah interesting it's just that it's a two it'll be an interesting thing that'll be sure i'll be interested in now when people start reviewing it okay so we got here we've got here the dell 30 inch or OLED is finally released they released it and you know the good news is three and a half thousand bucks three and off-grid and yet it's still like it they were going to with 120 Hertz refresh rate now if they did put that 120 Hertz refresh rate and I'd be like look guys charge 10 grand for it because it's the only thing out at the moment you'll probably get a few people who want to buy it but it's only 60 Hertz like it's you know people want for me especially if i'm buying one of these monitors I want after using CF 791 oh yeah hundred Hertz baby but you want there's higher refresh rates if I'm guessing if you're paying like a three and half gram per se because I know okay but then there's going to be people out there like look dude productivity yeah this is going to be for pretty much people who want productivity but then again don't those people already have like two grand srgb calibrated monitors and whatnot I mean OLED is a technology that's beautiful it looks so gorgeous late the blacks are so deep you know the contrast is amazing oh I haven't seen anything as good as OLED at the moment and that's the honest opinion oh that looks phenomenal but you know isn't there a market there that gamers would want to buy this or people you know but yeah I guess gamers would want to buy this and so I think they should have tried to get the refresh rate up at any costs even if it was 90 hurts or 80 hurts i think that would have been a much better selling point for this monitor because when i look at this I'm like oh yeah awesome OLED finally in a monitor for K and then you've got 60 Hertz oh it's kind of like it's kind of like you're waiting for your favorite basketball player to take a shot and it's like the game winning point any Chuck's enable yeah exactly i mean we have we have steve here and the comments saying uh yeah do you have a hundred hurt samsung monitor Brian ah yes Steve I have a CF 791 dude and it's the best monitor I've used for a piece ultra-wide 01 by nine a kiedy LED display meant absolutely phenomenal I'll put the link in the description below for your brother okay okay Steve now still if Steve it's got a fight it's got pretty fast respect response times two input lag and I kept us in our God like calves like get on with the show Ryan um how many times that we talked about that samsung monitor okay now i agree with what you were saying with this dell one though it's like why 4k hi refresh rate is gonna be the next big thing monitors to me i think but um you know I mean it's going to be kind of ridiculous at the same time but that's a huge price tag for will it look awesome yeah probably but I mean damn from a value-for-money point of view could you really ever warrant paint three and a half grand for a 30-30 in chocolate not 60 Hertz though that's the thing not 60s like as I said if it had the higher refresh rates in there if they try to push it too nitey hurts even I could see people buying this like game is buying this I think it's 60 Hertz kind of like yeah I'll see you next week i was gonna if you guys want i can deal with this live 4690 cows just looking at this cpu and then I was looking at this D lid kit here and I was like why don't do a deal it live they'd be pretty cool I didn't even know of it going off topic here completely but okay Oh LED monitor I'm I was loving it until I saw 60 Hertz so now then we got up here next up starcraft or remastered coming this summer you know I was going through also oh my god this is so awesome so awesome and then I just saw like they basically just open the resolution and it looks like that with that they're upping the actual scale of the game too so you get more screen space with that so yes this will be more CPU intensive than the original based on that observation but it's the 1998 game with 1998 graphics still that's kind of what like made me disappointed I thought they were going to go back and properly remaster at all like we're going to get sort of like SC two graphics in here or something like that that would be so cool because i love broodwar man it was one of my it is probably my favorite one of my favorite holders get to as well favorite pc games of all time and love this game especially the competitive play it was so balanced this is yes again that got me into pc gaming especially competitive play and i was at one stage number one in Australia at it ova nice women in Austin those wcg tournaments when there was no money in there there was no money in gaming pro gaming was dead back in late two thousand one unless you were like slayers boxer or who was the other guy fatality yeah those two of those two were raking it in everyone else was on like Mac and salaries and I know some of these boys some of my friends back in the day they took their like Brian man i'm going to career they packed their bags went to korea came back years later lost a lot of hair by the looks of it and and they'll though and they'll broke so back then it wasn't you know really profitable at all but nowadays if you're young and you're talented and you're good at games go all the way man you can make some serious box out of it if you get to the top level but again it's still very but at that time it's way more competitive now oh it'd be much more competitive now because of how big pc gaming is itself so yeah remastered it yeah what do you said just looks like the same the same game just with graphics updated and I mean the thing is if you play it now it feels very cramped in its original form so it would be good with the ability to play at higher resolutions you it won't feel so cramped yeah I woulda liked it as well plead redone all the cinematics as well um cutscenes in that and made it a full remaster in every way that would have been cool a lot of people might not have liked that if it changed the control but in some ways it was very limited because you could only select like what was a 16 units at one time I can't remember back it's been a long time I played I ever play you couldn't just select the whole army like you can yeah yeah in starcraft 2 and then just hop here to one key or something like that if you want to do the produce death ball or something but i'm there that was an issue a lot of people had i mean it did mean you're yet to a PM way more um because you to move your armies around the stuff they did have to be every mastering the music though and the that's going to be also and the dialogue as well hopefully they gathered i thought the dialogue was epic m brood war the voices the voice acting was incredible the music was really damn good too so i liked what they did sound wise so they're remastering that they've got a pretty high bar to jump over so yeah I'm sorry too I've been cutting you off a little bit this this week no I happy fine man no I was just green I don't have anything else that I said we got battlefront 2 trailer release date and everything else we need to know so battlefront 2 it's going to have some new heroes in there it looks actually i watch the trailer it looks really good looks like they're bringing in a campaign this time too I'm not going to play the trailers I don't get like dmca takedown or something but i'll put that in the description below for you guys the battlefront 2 what do you think so far umm ayman read too much about it armor the original was quite good um but yeah hopefully I mean there seems to be a lot of hype around it so let's hope it lives up to us well this time around they're focusing on the campaign I mean last time that's released it with no campaign they're like oh sheesh we better do something and then they brought back some sin but they brought some single-player element to the game which was really good i mean they needed that but they need that from the get-go it looks like this time around they're actually they're like okay we bet actually focus on a single player campaign or something little likes of that so they're going to bring i think that's going to be a big focus of the game so i'm looking forward to seeing what they do obviously i really want more of that instead of having those massive area gun battles and stuff i want like the lightsaber jewels I want like the option where you're going like 4 verse 4 or something and you just like everyone's holding lightsabers like the old I think was the old republic one of those games back in like early 2000s man that was the multiplayer was so much fun eh and you're just like force pulling and force pushing and you had like sis lightning and stuff it was such an awesome game to play multiplayer so yeah let me know what you guys think in the comments are you are you dying for battlefront two are you pre-ordering are you being like EA take my money or are you being like no I'm going to wait for it and if it has a single player some of you guys even going to do the no no you're going to go and pirate it anyway you guys we're going to move over to Q&A now so if you've got if you have questions and you want to answer you just jump out w WX EDTV / forums sign up and you can jump in the threads here and ask some questions so every week we go to the threads and answer the questions obviously don't all come at once because yet we don't have been here on a live answering questions for like two hours but if you've got a really hot question you need answered then short shoot here um nice when you're done when you did your be 350 overclock how hot did your VR and MOSFETs get I was that with the azuz board when I was doing that overclock ah yes here's the thing i just i think i got the ir gone on it and i had the fan on there actively cooling it so it didn't get too hot yeah if you guys have if you guys are overclocking then you always want some sort of cooling on your vrm now the easiest way to get by that and this is why people buy a more expensive cases is because they've got that airflow going through and that will that will help with your vrm that will legitimately help with your vrm cooling because you just got fresh air blowing it away if it's good cooling solution so that's why I do like especially the air 740 I've got here and the air 540 people who own those cases I don't think you'll say one person who will complain about the airflow in those cases phenomenal you just got the air coming in the front blowing it straight out the back phenomenal so have you got if you're getting into overclocking I would invest in a decent case just like a decent power supply I would recommend starting if you're into overclocking starting to invest in a decent case to with decent cooling or of course just get a cheap case whack a heap of fans in the front so you've got good airflow that's the easiest way to get around it of course you can also drop like what I did just you know ghetto hack some fan on there and have it blowing air straight onto the V RMS so the vrm not prm's one of them again this week guys don't hate me so yeah that's sort of like the recommendations were going with there is you should have a vrm with some sort of cooling at the very least I think maybe his question was the more like how hot is too hot but English is like what 125 is it that so that's not that is like in ways that's a thermal trip like that's when your mother will switch off you don't want to go near that you know you want your various running 10 hundred to ya you want your VRMs ideally running under a hundred degrees so and that's pretty easy to achieve it's not that I can get away with over a hundred though but ideally but you never want them over say 120 for example would that be fair to say well yeah um it depends on the make and model but most VRMs yeah 125s like that spot where things really don't sit well or bode well so depend some have a t-junction thermal trip of 150 135 125 it just depends on the make and model of the MOSFETs so venue yet you always want to make sure that they're pretty cool especially for long longevity or long activity I really want to make sure that they're cool you know all your gear should be running sweet and cooling is a big part of that so yeah and they will like nice question or they get warm a lot yeah and they will get one because you've got less phases so you got more uptime which depends on the switching frequency as well but got more uptime on those MOSFETs so you want to get them cooled and the easiest way that if you're a lazy man get one with a heat sink on it get a case and just have good air flow and you should be fine for the majority of like overclocks even like you know 4 gigahertz on risin you should be okay so anyway yeah he was saying gets up 212 C with this stuff yeah and that's all I'd have to ask a counter question to dragon Kurt what sort of cooling have you got at the moment you have to let us know more what cooling solutions have got and exactly what motherboard do you have so let us know the model would let us know the overclocks and let us know the case and the fans set up that you've got going on then we can talk more about it and what you can do to get those temperatures down personally I wouldn't want my VRMs running at 112 degrees with it where's that measured from as well as that measured from software or is that measured yeah I wouldn't be with an IR gun because that would be thermal that a really thermal trip when it comes to bargain hunting builds if the systems are not overclockable what would that be a deal breaker to you even if it was a good price to win this is last week's episode this is this week's tip me get this question last week or if I got my crystal bowl out April 13 yeah wait yeah this is yeah would ya 22 this week um wait up mmm wait didn't I post up episode oh my my goodness I may have screwed up here because I'm pretty sure I really answer that question last week yeah fish from April 13 Oh we'll get new questions on here anyway we'll scroll down to April okay so and Gary's like okay there's okay so what's it will go down this question I'm sorry I realized my question was incomplete since the r5 1600 has this major difference from the are 1700 in its lower or call boosts thereby potentially limiting manual overclocking on some chips to 30 600 megahertz do you still recommend it as the best favor for money I matter if you're manually overclocking you should only be limited on risin to what you're either your mother bought or your CPU can reach the CPUs are unlocked they'll go above 30 600 megahertz if you want them to the Alpha 1600 yes I think it's the best value out of them all because you can get them to 4 gigahertz you get in 3.9 even like 3.85 even on a stock rise and cooler in like 20 what I test that 25 degree ambience so manually over clocking you should be able to get these chips exactly where the are seven seventeen hundreds are if not better so depends okay so okay so we got here April sixteenth what if we answered that oh okay i don't know i'm going crazy this week sorry guys this questions now there was a big question down by a demagogue i'ma go get game okay hey everyone ances as answer as many questions you like leftovers will be carried over and asked another time first question series i look through your video history and before asking these questions owners that you do not cover water cooling as much or it's not obviously labeled as such what form of water cooling would you recommend to someone who has never done it before that'd be easy i mean all-in-ones if you've never done it before and the reason yeah i don't focus on water cooling as much because i don't have a lot of time like if you're making custom loops man they take time like even yeah even get of doing that fifty dollar I'm ever doing that fifty dollar water loop it took me a lot of time to make sure you have to make sure if you're doing a custom loop you have to make sure there's no leaks everything's running perfect because that's massive potential to damage a lot of gear and I'd you know don't say that like usually man look at me like I mess around like I'm washing computer parts sometimes you know like I mess around a lot and water cooling is not one of those things you'll want to mess around with at all no you need to know what you're doing if he's meaning non all-in-one and like he wants to do custom work type stuff I would say just buy a kit could you usually buy kit which comes with everything that you need rather than maybe buying stuff individually if you buy the kit then you know how I've got everything here I need they'll have come with instructions on how to do everything and you can go from there but yeah it is something that you drag your right you don't want to do it I mean yeah well we have to learn some way but um yeah it's definitely do your research and studying first so which way of water cooling your system is the most cost-effective bang for your buck well that would be all in ones that all in one easy again that's a lot of the reason why another reason is I don't do custom water loops is because the price performance is pretty it's pretty bad I think it looks good but a paper exactly and the price performance really isn't there with water cooling a lot of the time because you're not going to get much more over an all-in-one or a decent air cooler and you know of course you get lower temps but it doesn't exactly mean especially in the Wolfram above water that doesn't mean much higher overclocks at all so would you recommend pre-built coolers dedicated cpu water-cooled hybrid that attaches over the cpu with a hybrid GPU cool there may be someone sells pre-built coolers for other parts that attach to the same radiator for ram and motherboard okay so you want to do essentially a custom loop I don't know anyone that does a kit that'll go like CPU and GPU all from the same radiator that would be way like daisy chain them together yeah I mean that would be way too complicated because of distances and different case setups so when you go with custom water cooling you have to decide what case you are using what motherboard the spacing where you're putting your graphics cards where your radiators going and then you've got it obviously make the custom tubing for that build so again yeah I don't imagine anyone would make a prebuilt either because it would just it be a fail and if you tell a first-timer to use those plastic tubes as opposed to glass or whatever material they are made of two costly meaning soft or hard you don't want to go soft tubing if you do first time I would recommend go with ya a soft tubing soft yeah easy just to get the hang of things yeah of course when you want it when you're used to water cooling and you've got your head around at all then you co can go with ptg tubing get the fire out there and spin it and cast and Bend all the tubes yeah of course that's something I've still got to do as well I haven't actually done a petg tubing build yet so it's something I really want to do it's just I got to find the time to do it so they I really want to do on my own full custom rig for the channel and then personally I'm trying to leave air-cooling behind because air temperatures are not reliable or what I have in store for IPC echoing should be very reliable get a good case get a good air cooler and they should be very reliable I don't yeah unless you live somewhere where the temperatures all over the place if you have a good case good fans good Big Eight sinks on like a not to a cool or something yeah it should be pretty good second question do you don't you think we need more protection as consumers I'm guessing you're in America if that's the case that would be your consumer laws in Australia we actually have pretty good really good career New Zealand chest name yeah pretty good particularly good like you buy something you can return it no questions asked a lot of the time yeah even if you don't like the product it's crazy if the consumer protection is trey is it's really good of course some people abuse it I don't know what it's like in the States but yeah I mean that's one I can't really answer that because if you're I'm guessing you're from America because I think people in Australia wouldn't complain about a consumer protection in place it's actually really good at the moment I think there's like a minimum of even sometimes a minimum of two year warranty over the one year so a lot of these companies that sell tech products they'll give a one-year warranty to people at the US but they'll give it to you one or two to people in Australia so we're actually give you pretty good like we get it pretty good in terms of that in those yep what additional details about a product would you find useful to have a boxing store online before purchasing arm I mean it depends about if you're doing about consumer of products in enthusiast tech then you should be like there's a heap of information out there if you want to buy a product there's a heap of reviews on it go check out the reviews so I think in terms of what's on the box I'm not really going to argue with that and then the next question have you met an honest lawyer because I haven't that's that's out of the blue but that's a really weird question you know I don't know what it is why does this come on April 23rd because the other week I was out out on the town was at the casino with my friend and before that if you had asked this question a week ago I would have said to you know but then we were out on the town the other way this is a crazy story we're out having a few drinks and you know we're talking to some girls as you do Cheryl yeah and then this there was this guy this this guy just came in he's like hey man these guys are probably under something good here I just started chatting to him and um he was a loyal and he was honest like really honest I talked to him about my personal situation because I had it you know had a few things actually wanted to go see a lawyer about ah he gave me such honest answers the first thing he said was I don't see a loyal if you can avoid a solicitor or a lawyer or costs because you just gonna lose your money and I haven't heard that yet any other lawyer that I've seen or even met or even heard of in the past so yeah I have met an honest lawyer if you want to know me really but this guy was really honest I was like wow okay gave me some really good advice and before that I would have said no but after the other last weekend doubts just weird how that question comes up now because I would have said no that after the last week and i have met an honest loyal so it depends because it's such a big thing as well i mean most guys are probably just thinking all criminal defense lawyers or or things like that but there's heaps of people that do different things especially you know ones that are more focused on business and stuff like that um yeah I've met plenty the thing it's a kind of funny stereotype that the whole lot get it even though there certainly are bad ones but they're well dishonest ones but the yeah it depends which sort of heart of the law they cover that's basically where you need to look more I think yeah the YouTube coverage of rising has generally generally been abysmal with so much misinformation that's that's not true i think a lot of the channels on that's really harsh that's pretty harsh man Wow total lack of quality journalism i think a lot of especially the people i know we've tested reisen and we've tested it very well and done i think everyone speed variations fear i think at the start you could have maybe said that but it was played as new for us too yeah there were problems we didn't know Andy hit to come out and clear things up there was a lot of course is going to be a bit of mr. mation because we all didn't know was new to release information yes Miss informations about term to use missing for me yeah that's info it was just yep people we just didn't know and we were using our intuition or experience to talk about things even the real top dogs like Wendell and stuff um we're all just trying to figure that we I didn't miss him I haven't misinformed anyone once about horizon I my day one diffusion was accurate for the time my day 1 review for example that was accurate at the time of what you could expect if you were to buy risin yeah yeah how exactly no not at all yeah I know I think it's a wet we getting a bit mixed up in the words my point that I was trying to make was that at the start there was a lot of things we didn't know her and so all of us were trying to figure out what what it was about why we were getting some of the results we did I think that's yeah quite harsh um maybe you know there's obviously going to be people out there that are going to be diving a lot deeper they have a lot more experience against someone like Wendell huge knowledge and like Jay summed it up though well Wendell's got a lot of knowledge in servers and virtual machines in stuff like that like something that I don't practice at all so how can people excited I'm not knowledgeable in that whole be honest with you guys straight up and rise and melia I'm really good like Wendell seems to really love it in that regard so yeah easy his expertise yeah yeah so I'm not gonna come to this that makes sense yeah yeah I actually have pushed a lot of people's over to Wendell's channel I've said if you want to know about that stuff go to Wendell he's very knowledgeable in those areas so any such an sky answer that yeah that that's the thing I think it's this different tiers of that the YouTube channels and to the tick YouTube channels in terms of what content they're trying to provide to the people and that's not being mean because I would count my channel as or entertainment focused than many others you see the differences between them but that's just how people want to do it and this obviously you have to balance it as well if you make your video is very very technical the average consumer or average pc enthusiasts maybe you would say would just be completely lost the hardcore guys will understand it but other people point so it's always kind of a little bit of a balanced I try to think of making it sort of casual might be the wrong word but casual enough that a lot of not what average consumers can understand what you're trying to say or talk about but make it technical enough for the enthusiast also sort of enjoy it and that's the thing i don't think many guys know that a lot of us do kind of have to wait a little bit other tech youtubers people like steve and stuff will probably know i mean i've talked to steve about this as well but i think that is that's very very harsh wording wording to use for for us when people are just trying to do the best with the knowledge and the information they have available to them and to say that they're you know if you just miss one thing I did to jump it so I think that's a bit harsh well my my reply to that would be what are you referring to anger you can't just say well generally it's been at what has been give us examples of where there's a lack of quality journalism give us an example of where there's misinformation I need to know because I thought a lot of my content straight down the line no holds barred this is how the testing ended up and then I report on that that's what it's always going to be like in my channel so I don't think I've misinformed anyone correct me if I'm wrong yeah I think I think part of that um when I talked to Jim from a dog TV me and Jim get along really good um now that so that's that's been good um but yeah Jim points out a lot of things on his channel and that that is good that he's it that he's doing that but we're a lot of us were just reporting the numbers and stuff like me I'll just do the tests get the numbers then interpret those numbers for you guys in my own way but I often tell you guys hate this is just my personal opinion let me know in the comments what your opinion is and so we can just go with those numbers and then have a discussion about them and I think that's what like what Brian does as well a lot of the times too and that's the way you can't can't really call it misinformation or anything cuz all they're doing is getting numbers and then telling you guys about them or you know interpreting them so yeah so let's do it all right guys well that's a one day of the show for this week I've also got my patron set up thank you guys so much for the support that's been coming in in the last few weeks especially really appreciated of course with the YouTube system being in complete havoc at the moment guys like me who are doing this for a full time gig I do depend on the money for it so with me and steve from Harbor box we're doing a monthly live patron stream so if you guys want to access that you can have access to the archives for a dollar a month we also of course we do stream it for free if you subscribe to the twitch stream tech city TV 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