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welcome back guys to episode 24 of the check lounge and I'm joined here by my Coast care from tech showdown how you doing I'm doing great Brian how are you man how's your week been really good man really good I have just been out of control people have been loving the youth parts um yeah it's just as good man I've just been getting back into it I mean there's a lot of new parts that were had to get done through the backlog but the backlog has kind of been pushed aside mind you I did show you guys what in the vlog if you guys missed it or he didn't see it in the vlog I did I did show the backlog the new backlog it just you know keeps coming in but of course I'm like no I'm going to dedicate more time to the use price/performance stuff people love it and we picked up this here the 290x so cheap man you got such a good deal they're so good now I yeah I got people telling me like they're really really hot cuz I forgot I think out of 290 and ages ago and yeah it was I think it was throttling so they do the reference ones they throttle the 290x the throttle horrendously make sure there's I you know about this switch on the side right so if it the switch is pointing towards the fan that's in boo-boo mode and the fan speed will go up too and I like 40% but if you have to switch facing away from the fan that will be silent mode and the fan will stay at 20% and then you'll see boy you'll see some strolling then what about a well what about an excel or on there that'll do good yeah that'll fix the problem well that's uh yeah now they were they were absolutely shocked as I mean they would sit at 95 degrees for forever so yeah so we are not the case yeah also launched a new kind of series and you put out a new filler out there a PC house called people loved it I mean I was just like at the spur of the moment I was like I went my friends like dude let's have some beers Peter I was like yeah dude I haven't seen you for a long time and it's like yeah and then he's like dude I saw you on YouTube and it was like just came over like bring the camera on my films like yeah what so we just made this series people loved it so I could see what other friends on the Gold Coast need their pcs tuned and see what performance we can get before and after because the llege it's the this re the gains were legit like we saw that you know especially in Elder Scrolls online that was huge it was like 25% performance so James did nothing and he's getting 25% more performance so overwatch was the same deal it was a big jump so yeah I mean and we had just a lot of fun so that was really cool like oh that was probably some of the most fun I've ever had in terms of doing like tech and sort of track drinking with friends and this pretty is really it was really cool so house calls definitely going to be continued it was just it was epic it was a good time beers whoever thought beers and overclocking would be so much fun just don't don't try it with Alan - you know I could imagine some guy out there like everybody I try got bit drunk and L into overclocking now I've got no fingers that's like yeah like daemon feel sorry for you so but what about you what's been going on dude I'm just a sick Brian I'm just wondering the fact that we only have three people watching and it's not showing up on you made the this isn't public right yeah it's public as usually is public dude I don't know why it wouldn't be oh yeah I've got no idea YouTube might be doing something YouTube's been crazy lately so I know we'll carry on because people watch it on the the afterwards anyway um yeah on the archives I mean the bottom line is those well the sad thing is is that apparently the lately YouTube has not been giving people notifications so it's ëthey yes it's shocking sometimes yeah it's all over the place at the moment um I really don't understand it even now like I've got my life like I put episode 24 so I don't know why it's streaming with the title episode 21 like I made sure that was all fine to go before I it's fine online saying at the Tech lounge 24 yeah yeah it's it's fine it's just for some reason I was it won't come up on the main page which is YouTube what do you deal with do us so yeah I mean I've heard like a lot of stories about YouTube lately like just yeah I mean I've been feeling it as well right we've all been feeling it even in even in the tech scene dropped views dropped revenue dropped everything it's like a I didn't even know what's going on with YouTube at the moment are you know but I'm just going to keep making content doesn't matter right so you can do really I mean I feel sorry for um well I mean it's hurting that the smaller channels a lot more than the bigger ones but yeah it's still pretty not ideal but I think it will turn around kind of soon what we wouldn't imagine it was hope it would hope at this yeah hope it will so but yeah I've just been getting through more rising content being making the most amount of AMD videos ever did a the one of my videos very popular the 1500 X versus 7700 the anon K so called a core comparison that did quite well um via people liked it good to see Wendell retweeting me had retweeting that video so thanks window such a great guy is that is that what is that Wendell Wendell Wendell that's oh that's how you would say here w/e in yeah bro hey in New Zealand and he becomes an AI doesn't it mean do I mean in the best country so yeah mid or that I'm yeah now so that was pretty that was that was pretty good and quite an interesting comparison quarter core there isn't really that much in it I'm considering the huge price difference between them as well so that's quite a nursing yet it's strange ace no no no yeah how did you go dude how did you go with the arm how did you go with that showdown I haven't seen it yet so what was the verdict kind of thing ah it's the seventy seven hundred wins even in productivity but they're pretty close together with the 1500 exits stock this quite a decent discrepancy but once but once the 1500 X is overclocked and I managed to get four gigahertz out o which seems to be the standard I mean I've tested like 6-7 rise and CPUs now and the most I've ever gotten out of any of them is 4 gigahertz like can never seem to get 4.1 but yeah at 4 gigahertz 1500 exit brings them very close together 7700 still wins by like maybe 5 6 FPS on average but yeah be the one more expensive right yeah it's a lot more expensive so that's what I was saying you know you're much better off with the 1500 X or buy that the 1400 but the 1400 I've tested won't go over 3.8 it's interesting these low ones I've been testing now they seem to not overclock as good which is maybe what people were saying from the start that as Rison goes on you'll start to see a bigger and bigger discrepancy in terms of how far you can overclock from the higher end like X models and the lower non X models okay I mean I've got to do a lot more testing with that I've just been yet busy with the sort of yeah a lot of people want to see the use stuff people they look dude I'm over rising we know what it's got to like I mean the thing is with rising when we saw the 8 cause we kind of knew how the six scores and for-cause would perform I mean it wasn't going to be like worlds apart right though we're going to overclock pretty similar levels you know you just like that's the thing I guess after I do all the eight cores I've still got to do the multiplayer benchmark showdown and stuff like that I will be doing that again with the six core but as for the four core I mean it's kind of like yeah the four core is going to be good and especially when we do that I think if we do a four core comparison I'll only use like a mid-range graphics card for that as opposed with the six core and the eight core I'll be using a 1080 Ti to sort of show all the massive differences but for the average gamer yeah who likes high graphics settings it's not going to be much of a difference at all it's not really going to matter and you probably want to save your money and go rosin but there is that element that I do really take I do focus on and that's competitive gaming so like a lot of my friends a competitive game is we all met back in the day because we were competitive gamers on brood war and CS not CS go CS point six you know and that's sort of like an element that I always carry because I know there's a lot of people out there that can't play these games on a different level and they love playing them as best as they can so I'm going to cater towards that audience as well because I love it you know I love watching eSports as well man I love some of this talent coming up man these guys are incredible they can do something you know you see them on the keyboard man 200-plus APM they're just going nuts so and they're not it's not fake it's not fake a pin when you're playing the sc2 bro and you're just banging keys to get your APM up it so might be yes everything gives us a class you just can't have Steven Steve will write in the comments - did Steve will attest to this as well when we're playing three versus three cabs got fake APM he's a faker just a place it man like you know my APM's just crazy because I'm doing like you know four or five face thing you know crazy economy that way to the late game bro bring to the late game Jersey fun your fave faking that APM bro real it's like really it's about 8080 APM so oh man I've never seen mine that look like it might be hit it usually is about like 150 something so it's actually not that high not as like not like you're making out like it's like 300 and all this like fake spamming all the time okay so we're gonna move on to this first benchmark man we got this first benchmark here apparently Elite is a time spy at times by Ron with the Vega graphics card and the the score is really bad like let's be honest here this is really bad hmm I mean I don't know if it's someone faking it we would just hope it is I mean it could be someone with a was it the fury acts right it could be someone the fury acts maybe and they may be making it for views but if I'm if this is Vega yes is looking this is just looking terrible like yeah it's not that's not ideal I know you guys are so in the actual picture there it says the graphics score which the guy kindly highlighted says of 5721 now many you probably don't know what that translates to so to give you an idea err a gtx 1080 on average depending which model you have in a course vo sip let's say you have a just a non overclocked GTX 1080 like what I have a g1 gaming 1080 that will be about 7000 so that's already quite a bit higher than that apparent Vega if you have something like a 1080 Ti you'll be hovering about ten thousand to believe until I just I tested like I tested mine out of the box before I just ran it where's my overclocks like I put in the 1080 I found it because I'm testing the horas on another rig for the showdown and it scores like 10 at 10 K out of the box without doing anything so damn you know what I mean like 1080i and 1080p pin mine day again it's only twelve hundred megahertz I'd hope it would go higher but this is the thing this is a bigger piece of silicon it's bigger than the rx 480 or hour now the RX 580 in the RX 570 is going to be a new piece of silicon too so you can't expect it to clock I guess a lot higher than twelve hundred megahertz I mean could you expect it to clock a little higher than twelve I'm saying about 1300 cap out it I'll be a guesstimate I mean what would you yeah you would hope so I mean this is yeah this really is an idea I mean it would be a huge letdown if Vega comes out and it cannot beat the 1080 because that's kind of it needs to for me anyways I think it really needs to at least go toe-to-toe with the GTX 1080 the 1080 TI yeah that's not so much the concern I don't think because that's sort of out in its own league but it's also out in its own sort of price bracket so I would say that yeah this isn't looking ideal and it was something I was weary about because of the huge clock speed difference now that doesn't that's not the end of the world remember because we have a good example as the GTX 1060 versus let's say the rx 580 now there's a big discrepancy there in terms clock speed a lot of people have 10 60s going up to 2000 megahertz 2000 over 2000 megahertz and yet many of their RX 5 80s for example even overclocked will be pushing maybe 1500 megahertz so you got a full like 500 megahertz difference there and speed and yet and a lot of tests you'll find that the RX 580 will win so it's not all about that I think a lot of people tend to just see the clock speed and think like oh wow well that's no raisin versus cable X another perfect example I mean it it does count um but it's not like the be-all end-all like some people seem to think it is just like kind of cool counts sort of the same thing so yeah it's this is interesting I would hope though that it would be a bit high 1200 in this day and age does seem a little bit lowdown if it was less something like 1500 I think most people would be fairly happy with that but again it depends how it's being designed but this is a very low so a lot lower than what I think a lot of us would have hoped for twelve hundred megahertz I mean it's just I mean the memory probably could be doubled effectively but it just depends on how they're specking that so one point four on the HBM - I mean but the core clock twelve hundred megahertz is low I mean of course you've got eight gigabytes of vram there and so that's why I think number of cards is one so it couldn't be a fury X because it's got a gigabytes of vram on it so this could be legit like it very well could be legit and it could also be that that they're smaller Vega you know there's going to be there there are two types there'll be the full full bore chip um and there'll be the cut down one to go against the 1070 and this could be the one that's going against James even then a 10-7 he's still knocking it out of the water from memory the 1070 will do about 6,000 I thought so that would be 6 1/2 I thought 6 8 if you know they're pretty aggressive man so I mean this is again it's one benchmark we shouldn't be basing it all this but this was like where so much hype was coming into this Vega Vega Vega you know we're at an AMD event quite recently an arm you know they were really good like the event was awesome I'm going to make a separate vlog a video about that but yeah it's kind of like I was always the whole time I was like Wes Vega and then I have a go to be secretive about it where's Vega I just kept asking you know like where's Vega West Vega hopefully I could you know sneak some information out but I'm hoping this isn't a case of AMD doing a 180 where now they're CPUs are really good and their GPUs are falling behind by a lot because it was the opposite a couple of years ago that GPUs are really good really competitive and their CPUs were behind by a lot so I'd like to see them I'd like to see Vega get a lot better I mean like as it stands like if this comes out in the wild and it's just you know it's a thermal nightmare and it's just thermal throttling like they just can't get those cores under control which might be a possibility considering how many shaders there are and how much of a big that piece of silicon is it yeah yeah this is definitely going to be a thing I just said some quick research then ah you are right it seems to be like if you have a kind of lower clock 1070 at stock speed you'll get about 6,000 but people overclocking them seem to get them up to about six and a half thousand some people that went real crazy got them up to about 6700 so yeah this is a if this is the one the cut-down version meant to go into 1070 if that's in stock form and a reference model then that will be competitive with a 1070 once you think there when scope good drivers is good non reference models of higher speeds I'm you should see that go up so if that's the case then this isn't bad news but if this is the full board ship then oh well thing is they're putting HP m2 on it that's not cheap this is the thing you know oh it's going to be competitive against a 1070 but if they're putting HBM 2 on there they're putting all those streams this isn't cheap to make it's not like AMD can be like hey guys we're going to sell these things at 200 bucks and just kill the market they're going to be losing a heap of money in the end of the day they got shareholders who want to make profit on the dividends or whatever they want the company to grow they got to be profitable and that's the thing it comes from competition and releasing a competitive product I don't know how this is going to perform in the real world but this score here is really not looking good so that's what we wanted to point out I mean wow I was really sort of shocked when I saw that score and of course compared it to my ten atti score and then the 1080 is just even 1/10 70s beating this at the moment so yeah I mean looking forward to more developments in this story and how it performs in a bit of course people like I read an article on wucf tech without like either core clock slow a mere twelve hundred megahertz it's like know considering the 580 which is a refresh that's been out in the wild for a while silicon's matured that's really hitting one point for something gigahertz it it's not that far-fetched that this thing wouldn't go that much higher than twelve hundred megahertz like it probably thirteen hundred I mean yeah so it is a bit warmer that's not the end of the world though I mean ideally we would want it higher but if it can like going back to my our expiry D example I mean it's not the end of the world it is broad is the end of the world okay maybe it is bro judge he's going to take off if this happens if this card releases at these speeds with these with his performance Josh I was going to be taking off his red robe and putting on a green robe he's going to be converting to a Jedi so yeah on that note i galaxy' released their hall of fame KF a to I guess they're the same company we got the hall of fame here I'm really digging this side LCD display that looks so awesome yes your GPU memfs I've always been a fan of the white the all-white cards I mean they recently released this sniper or EXO see that card was looking awesome Mon some people like damn I hate the look of it I was like damn it looks awesome it was so clean it was just so clean this looks a little bit more fancy with like curves and stuff and I'm kind of not a big fan of the curves and the fancy real side styling if you ever remember vo side body kits they were just out there man there were just too much for your car yeah some people loved it I was always a fan of the clean body kits you know that this clean smooth no extra dimples and dents and no speed bumps but this one yeah it looks good of course it's going to perform so damn well you're 12 plus 3 phase power design this thing's going to be absolutely huge really wait yeah triple-a so whoever needs to take their good Eric well whoever needs to take it to the next level can so yeah yeah Sencha Lee okay yeah Microsoft do you want to add anything on the cafe to do you like now that looks cody's did you show the back play that look quite nice as well yeah I am half back so yeah so essentially this is going to be one of the fastest I think the fastest GTX 10 ATT I clocked out of the factory I think so it's not just looks it's not just the adding all this gimmick stuff on here even people who want the fastest 1080i out the box can get one of these things and that would just be you know performing really damn fast out of the factory so yeah it's looking like it's 1683 boost clock from the factory which is pretty high I think that horse extreme is a bit higher I thought I read seventeen oh look at the bottom edge again specification 83 thought I had an overclock mode going into the 700 somewhere so yeah well yeah I mean the Auris is just a beast and we'll talk a little bit about that later in the QA because we got another story here Microsoft trademarks direct physics so Peter you know there's a great article from WCC up that we like is this a new physics API for DirectX 12 now we know what Microsoft have been wanting to do for a while they've been wanting to make deal that they already proved it by making dx12 proprietary on Windows 10 so I guess now they want to make some more incentives and bring in an exclusive API or exclusive feature for the director 12 API and that's physics so they actually purchase havoc I believe off Intel and havoc so huge and it goes in a lot of games so having have it's really huge so they want to guess make a for our physics API for direct x12 so and then you know with that they can say Oh play on direct x12 because you're going to get a better experience and of course play on Windows 10 DirectX 12 so so it's actually a little bit concerning I mean personally have you do play any games in DirectX 12 and if so why and what game no because none of them and my testing have done better and dx12 and they have in DirectX 11 so I would just leave it at DirectX 11 now when that starts to change which I'm sure it will then I would trend towards it but uh no there's no real reason because unlike with the MD cards with the people that would play games like doom for example um you would actually see that benefit of turning on Vulcan rather than using the dooms are sort of special snowflake of a game but losing a special I mean the thing is though that's what I was gonna say no DirectX is a bit different I know I open GL and volcanus I know I know that I know okay but like this is the thing with doom it was the only game that I knew had Vulcan and I played it on Vulcan as opposed to dear so many games at dx12 support and I don't play any of them on dx12 well that's because there is a good benefit though if you have an AMD card and you play it on OpenGL and then you switch to Vulcan you actually do see the sort of good performance increase whereas I don't think with the Nvidia cards you see it as much so I'm not sure how many people actually do play it with an Nvidia cards in Vulcan I think most of them just would play it in OpenGL but yeah the I'm not 100% sure on that but that's more my reasoning is that there you can actually see the benefit whereas DirectX 12 versus DirectX 11 right now you sort of it only seems to make things go backwards for a lot of people so um they're not really seeing the point yeah maybe on maybe on lower end systems it's different because I can only talk about using a high-end system so maybe if people on the lower systems I mean I know I said about how I thought game mode was pointless but then some people messaged me saying hey I have a you know mid tier system and it's been fantastic for me so maybe it does actually help the people out with mid level system yeah I don't I don't doubt that like Windows 10 creators update us so I'm still going to update to that soon I'm just getting a heap of videos done and then I will be updating so I've heard they've released some updates to make it more stable now I've heard that as well it makes a difference on the lower SPECT systems and of course yeah that's where you would want the game that gains and games yeah so that's what you'd want the gains because obviously you know like the higher the higher spectral system is the less resources an OS is going to take up anyhow so I guess it's a double whammy for people on low spec systems if you've got you know OS overhead there and it you've got more of it than it's going to eat into your performance knowing that you're going to get things like stuttering just that it's just really a terrible idea to have a system that has a huge OS overhead as opposed to something like creators update which if it could make a difference and it is making a difference from what I hear that it'd be great to use that feature the game mode so of course I'm going to get into it do a whole optimization guide for it so we get the best performance out of it stay tuned for that and at the meantime Microsoft yeah dx12 they go on proprietary baby they're like look we're going to implement a physics engine and you can use it but you got to be on Windows 10 DF 12 so yeah hopefully they are of course there is one game sorry that I do use ds-12 on and that's ashes a singularity but it's only for a benchmark doesn't really count how does anyone actually play that game like forefathers had asked if there there's anyone actually everyone I talk to is just like oh yeah I just use it for a benchmark what have you actually tried playing it is it just a really bad game with something I tried and I just quit instantly why is it just what's wrong with it that's just like a control or something I was loud and I yeah it's like I can't get into this a nice this wasn't for me man yeah just like one of those nights out on the town where things happen you're like I can't do this you can't do Cheryl oh okay all right so we got up next year we've got a the latest AMD risin chipset so good news so basically they've implemented some updates and we spoke to them at the moon Steve we spoke to them at the AMD event no really forthcoming with what they've got planned for rise and they say there's a huge update in the works it's coming that's actually going to bring performance improvements I believe it's going to be the system-on-chip voltage improvement because what I've found like especially when I did my over going to tour as well I only had one 1,800 X at the time or 79 anyway when I did my tutorial I just set this system-on-chip voltage to level to load line calibration and I didn't have any problems though since then I did test the 1700 and that actually needed to go to like one point zero four files one point zero five volt somewhere around there in order to be stable with the exact same gear you know so it was like wow okay system-on-chip voltage makes a big difference for some CPUs on the rise and line up so I think what they'll do in a BIOS update is they'll just up the automatic system on chip voltage to maybe one point zero five or something like that or one point one maybe and then a lot of people will be able to get higher memory over clocks and probably high stability out of three point ninety four gigahertz over clocks but on my 1800 X it really didn't make a difference I was like wow okay so I must have a good system on chip portion that doesn't need to be over what doesn't need to be over vaulted so I missed that out I did add it to the description on my overclocking tutorial but this is that's probably that was I didn't even know we're just but we're going off topic here but anybody do have updates in place and they are coming out and they are going to fine tune Rison and get the performance right on the money and I guess this is another thing here the power plants with the chipset update the rujuta introduced a new power plan that is essentially Rison balanced so you can still get the power savings like you could in the just the balance mode except of course you've got your cause not being parked with that the latency you know when they come out of the core parking state there's less latency or whatever they so basically they're making it so that it's just more responsive it's more ready to go like high performance mode except you get some of the power savings there and so they pulled up some benchmarks here and that's one thing I liked about the presentation tour in Sydney AMD now their marketing team I think is starting to get things right they're not there they're not hiding anything now and this is what I love about these graphs here they're not hiding anything they just say okay high performance mode still does give you overall better performance but we've still got the power savings in the rise and balanced plan and when we're at the presentation they were saying look our CPUs don't beat Intel at everything but overall they're very disruptive and they do do excellent job there yet and they're so good for the money that's why I liked their marketing teams getting it right now there's no need to sort of you know inflate everything and bloat everything just put it out there and say this is the best we could do for you guys and here it is and people I mean people already love AMD anyways a lot of guys that love AMD but I think their marketing team is really starting to get better like it's really good when we went to this event I was really impressed I was like damn these guys are really cool and this is another thing but they're now there they're getting it right like this Power Balance plan is really it's just a graph that just says hey high performance most still a little bit better still edging it out but of course you get those save power savings in the rise and balance mode so really cool to see that my theory is really bizarre though that's yeah that's a soy suit why does that the performance go up like 0.5% in balancing and everything else goes down that um yeah I mean on average it being down point four percent that's not really that you know that's pretty good if it's going to have better arm power savings I mean it is just Ridge as Brian said reducing the delay when switching between the power states but when it parks course so yeah I think this is pretty good but all of them if you don't understand the graph all of them this is compared to the balance the default balance plan that you get with Windows which it runs automatically unless you've gone and changed it so regardless of if you run the rise and balance all the high performance you will see five to five point four percent gains which is definitely good so if you're running a rice and CPU definitely go into your power plan and set it to either one flows because you just want to why wouldn't you you're not going to get any better power efficiency I don't think if if Andy's done a good job with this balance plan it should be very good I mean the Mavi 3 thing of course is it'll be a little bit of variance in there of course not every not every not every benchmark is going to be a hundred percent saying yes to apples so there we go so that's pretty cool I like it like yeah average versus balanced so you guys want to get on that if you've got a rise and chip just whack it in high performance mode if you've got the chip set update and whacking in verizon balance mode so awesome update there and now onto the coffee lake making its way into the news coffee lake so this is the six core it's going to be coming this year I'm actually pretty I'm getting pretty hyped about this one because this will be apparently eight this will be the new architectural improvement ya know cannon Lake will be coffee lake is still the 14 nanometer you know cannon Lake drops down to the 10 but aren't they like are they making like a new and architectural improvement like not not know me they know shrinking on cannon whatever 10 millimeter but isn't this meant to be like the Sandy Bridge to nalem sort of thing all the as well was to IV so we're kind of getting a change up in the architecture um which is always was getting the same thing just like so they're just re releasing a CPU twice because cabbie Lake was just like skylake it was the exact same thing except just boosted up the court and the core clocks yeah I think there will be a bit of change here I think the main thing is going to be the the core difference between them after iron UI sevens will all be a six-course by comparison to previously always been quad cores so that might be how they do it that all the i5s you'll be able to an i5 quad core with hyper-threading and then with the I Simmons you'll be able to get a six core with hyper-threading and obviously six core with no hyper threading so that could be an interesting situation you see I mean they sing in the UH the article that it would be a I five that would be the six core six thread maybe I'm not sure about that it's got nine megabytes of level three cache okay I like saying cash count man cash cash cash money level three money so it's got nine megabytes of that on board interesting designers I mean the i7 will probably have 12 12 megabytes because they usually have so the i5 usually has a portion of that cache chopped off so it's like it's still really when you think that the 1500 X is what 16 yes well it's kind of like the pimp the pimps paying these girls a bit more with the i-5 lineup so he's given a bit more cash away um as opposed to the i7 you know it's keeping it all so it sprays out a good analogy oh I'm not so sure but they're but this would be cool though the yeah hopefully I mean and people have been complaining for years now but it's now really come to a head with people saying well Intel's been on this quad-core bandwagon for since Sandy Bridge and they need to start making six cores not not making them because obviously we had that with the higher live ones but within that lineup that sort of core gaming lineup that they would usually have that the whatever it is the 8700 K I suppose you would say will be a six core or hexa core as opposed to being a quad core like normal and I think that in of itself even if we don't have any major changes otherwise would maybe pull some people over given you know depending on the price points is coming in and the performance but if you think a six core say like a six core KB lake with hyper-threading and can overclock to four point nine gigahertz I mean imagine the power there I mean yeah if it had the latest architectural improvements this is the thing I those always bugged me about x99 lately it's always been one step behind the mainstream chips like and it's annoying because a lot of people still want to go for those four cores because they overclock better they've got better IPC with a six core hitting the mainstream that would be really hard hitting if you get architectural improvements I think that's the main point for Intel to hit here is coffee late going to have a legitimate IPC improvement if there is no IPC improvement then I think this thing is going to be left in the dust no one's going to care about it so it's really I think they have to get that IPC improvement if they do hit that with a six core on the mainstream I think they'll have a really nice chip on their hands of course how much are they going to charge for it I'd guess about $400 I mean yep it hopefully would be yeah I mean the fact yeah I think the selling point is they really need that IPC improvement if they want to compete with AMD's chips I mean 1700 K is still kind of competitive in that it's you know still the gaming chip to get or whatever but if they want to actually be competitive on sort of everything have a chip yeah cuz Verizon is currently doing that gaming productivity hybrid so well I think if until want to do it so well they've got to hit this chip right the 8th gen chip and in order to do that they need those IPC gains to really set them apart of course yeah they're going to have their chipset naming in the 370 as well that's going to be so confusing I mean ah he says you know sure as e 370 tip said it's like there's an X 370 I could only imagine it okay imagine the guy going to the store and he's like bought an AMD CPU and he's like oh there's an x3 70 boarding a Z 370 I'm gonna get the Z 370 gets at home he's like what the pin on pin contact what is this you know yeah but even worse will be the higher platform if you think the next Intel for the big boy chips will be X 299 right but then AMD's already announced that they'll be bring out these crazy risin 16 cores and stuff and that will be on the X 399 platform for them so what happens to Intel after that are they going to copy it so then we'd have to lots of X 399 so nd X 399 and Intel X 3 99 how confusing would that be unless they're just going to skip over it but then you see like the the other thing to note is the socket if they're saying it's going to be LGA 1151 again yeah that's like okay and the other thing I would really like to see is the thermal interface material on upgraded that if they don't do that again people are just going to explode um of the 8000 series is just high temps again ah be interesting I mean Dex I'm getting sick a deal eating chips I mean it's annoying because a lot of people don't want to deal with chips especially if they're enthusiastic lockers because they want that solder there that I mean even the new guys that come in with their all-in-one coolers want to be able to get relatively the max overclock they can and avulsion I unfortunately on cabbie Lake you generally have to deal it and in my case I think I got like an extra 200 megahertz stable and that's huge like that is actually pretty big for deleting a chip not only that for longevity you want to at Kubik chip cool so hopefully they hopefully they don't put paste on there again I mean hopefully they've learned their lesson by now but hey I guess sometimes I don't care but I mean their desktop like speaking of that we've got the financial results up here we had the financial results of here okay they're kind of up again okay so their revenue has dropped on the desktop market like the revenues up like we go down to the figures here their revenues actually up 8% but it's due to like the memory division and a lot of other divisions within tenth Intel they're actually there's only q1 as well I would expect to that Q there to be more of a discrepancy between q1 and q2 results it's not just that we're talking about comparing q1 versus q1 2016 so they're comparing apples to apples really and in the same time last year in there they're down 7% on the desktop sales and volumes so that's pretty crazy so desktops of drop for Intel and it's no surprise yeah that they're making all their money not all of it that's sort of ridiculous but they're making a lot of their money with the server CPUs um people don't really understand that that that's where a lot of thin revenue comes from is them having such a good grip on the server CPU market and all the Zeon's and stuff so that's something that I think a lot of people just overestimating this way Naples will be so important for AMD if they can start catching that market um from Intel Intel's really going to feel the bite then they will there they are going to feel it with rising with the desktops but those services are where they'll be really worried and that's where AMD needs to focus now if they can if Naples is really good then Intel will feel the bite a lot more there I would imagine yeah I mean so army I just had to turn Skype on dandy Steve was messaging me I'm like dude I'm live-streaming here I just think yeah everything's okay now sorry okay so uh yeah Intel so I missed a flight as I was turning my Skype on dandy but um yeah until obviously have to get back in the game I think like into I mean not get back in the game obviously they are in the game big time they're the big boy but they I think in terms of being competitive they have to get back into it and it's that like AMD's sort of like dealt their hand in poker and it's like you know you'll turn to either get a better hand or fold so we'll see how that goes yeah on some other news here we've got the GT 10:30 being announced from a video a little card little card with a little bit of balls on it so it's a little card got some a little bit of power in there 80 USD retail so a bit launch price but you probably see this thing go down to 70 I mean maybe even possibly $60 that would be incredible for just a little card that people I guess playing csgo League of Legends you know all those little games and they want new parts they want new parts and they just want to play these real easy to play titles or even something for I guess you know maybe 4k movies or just something really little I guess this card would fit that purpose of course if you are dropping it in a gaming PC of course you always should be going for those mid-range cards if you can afford them for double the money you get like an RX 570 now or a gtx 1060 that would be the cards that definitely hit up if you can but if you can't knows you want to do is you like a although like doing is playing csgo or like doing is playing these easy to play games and they're very popular they're very popular then why not like I don't really see a problem with this graphics card you know I'm sure when it's released you may see channels saying completely useless card don't buy it completely useless and then I'm sure it won't be a popular car but I could see it hitting a price point for some people who just don't need the extra power I guess yeah I mean the ah so you just checked it fine the I date Asia at this straight ah I I don't even know what because I bought it I bought a flight to Taiwan I'm guessing it's surely that guy I'm not like look a schmuck after my ex-wife often buy ad after my ex-wife guys I'm done like dating Asian women I'm sorry I guess it's this website or God let's zoom that in a bit and get rid of that that's that's pretty sad eh what the hell video cards calm no it's not me like it's not me because there's two of these ads coming up these guys like pushing this stuff on the other side before like you're they don't have the cookie I've I've never been on I'd a day I don't know about this website dude snow hey your your day your your girlfriend's Asian yeah yeah hey so you sent me the link so you sent me the link with the cookies embedded I'm blaming you for this one usually looking for you looking for a new one on the side bro no that's what I Steve for Jesus yeah yeah the the difference between these two is quite interesting 550 and 1030 so it's actually going to be at the 10:30 this thing is actually only going to have a 30 watt TDP which is kind of crazy versus the 50 watt I mean this is just an in response to the 550 they're pretty much the same otherwise well similar arm in terms of their specs in terms of team team use and ROPS interesting thing to note though they'll be coming in both a 2 and 4 gig model which is quite interesting that these little very entry-level go discards will have four gigabyte models even more interesting is the memory bus the 1030 will only have a 64-bit memory bus compared to the 128 you get on the 550 hmm I don't know why you would want to get a 4 gigabyte model of these little guards to me anyways I feel oh yeah instead you would just go with the 2 gig these are just supposed to be get you in the door get you off integrated um and for that I'm sure they'll do quite well but play again I missed ya play your games on your cheap monitor if you've got a cheap 1080p model you can pick them up very cheap for like a hundred bucks I mean one of these cards would go well with that especially with the G 4560 men like wow you know what I mean like the value there you pick up something really cheap like maybe even do something like that on the channel just a brand new csgo potato you know I mean like because I'm sure there'd be a lot of people out there that just to build a really cheap PC for playing csgo because it's a hugely popular like an incredibly popular game I think a lot of people don't realize like especially people like I don't play csgo religiously but everyone I know plays csgo like literally everyone I know is like csgo man csgo Sears goes all I hear about so it's a very popular title and I think something like this would be perfect for it it runs on potatoes so and you want potato with warranty then you could make something for maybe $300 even so yeah yeah I mean it would be very solid yes I definitely I mean when we talk about value for money it's as Brian was talking about earlier which is a very good point is the fact that you can go as you go up there you end up you are spending more money but you're the extra performance you're getting makes it worth it up till about you reach that mid level and then it starts becoming more diminishing returns after that so once you get to the rx5 7580 level on AMD and obviously the gtx 1060 level on nvidia those are the very good ones and that's where you basically get the optimum performance per dollar so your money will go the farthest in terms of the amount of performance you get obviously 10 70s 10 80s 1080p eyes get more performance but the value for how much extra you have to spend goes down so that's why we always say if you can when you're doing it if you're doing a value for money rig try get one of those GPUs because they will take you the furthest especially if you're doing 1080p gaming something like the rx 570 which I've just finished testing just a superb graphics card absolutely superb so ya know that's I had another article on coffee late we'll close that down I guess no one wants to talk about until credit so the Triton 700 the gaming laptop I checked this out have you checked this out yeah I watched the video man it looks like it looks good apparently they're dropping a either a new skew of the tan ad in there or they're dropping a 1080 TI in there and that actually looks like it looks solid like it looks sleek it looks like it's not going to be as big as the really big laptops and I mean this is what I guess a gaming laptop should more or less be hopefully it's not really heavy but yeah I really looking this thing looks really good and there's like a hands-on video as well so it's yeah it's sort of like laptop size and it's just got incredible amounts of power I think this one looks like it'll be a hit if people want to get into that gaming laptop market I don't see the point of putting two GPUs in a grap in a laptop I mean to like you know I recently reviewed the MSI and like it was the to power bricks to GPUs and it was just too heavy yeah they're just not really mean I think you're just supposed to put them on your desk or something then just leave them there um they're not really meant to be taken around all the time but yeah that mean weight-wise hopefully comes in at something standard for a gaming laptop like they all seem to have around 3 kgs I think is a good good amount yeah if it's more portable I guess the one who raised yeah yeah no it looks solid though does did doesn't look too bulky either like some of those big ones the people have been testing lately well you're the laptop guru man yeah give us some more insight on this it's probably gone ah yeah I mean SL is it the did the funny thing is when I started doing my channel I never actually liked laptops at all and then I started doing laptop reviews and then all these people like bro you're one of the best laptop reviewers on YouTube and I was like how on earth is that possible I've never really done this before and I just kept doing them ever since but I I mean I do enjoy doing them they're very they're probably one of the most time consuming videos I do but yeah they're they're pretty fun beer that that what I usually look for in a good gaming laptop obviously wait is one thing if you're having to carry this thing around work or uni and stuff you know you don't want it to be breaking your back or your arm if you're carrying in a suitcase it looks quite thin that's quite good as well to see not too thick I usually like to think it is the like a triangle and you get to pick two so you get either like it'll be noisy or it'll get good temps or it'll be like sighs so you get to pick two so if you want ah if you want good temps and it to be thin it's going to be really noisy and if you want it to be very quiet and but very thin then it'll run really hot and so this there's always a compromise there but the compromises are getting less and less now that all the CPUs and GPUs in them getting more and more power-efficient TDP zhanna's crazy and stuff so yeah that's always a good thing to see the the screens on laptops have been getting better as well because some of the gaming laptops I tested like maybe 18 months ago to two years ago a lot of them had a very bad frame times there's a lot of what's it called on the screen I've got blank the term you know Brian when you're playing game and it's like you could still see the last tiny bit of the last frame it displayed ghosting is it are you joking yeah dosing yeah yeah ghosting yeah that was an issue with a lot of the gaming laptops I tested last year yeah I saw on some of them that there was ghosting issue so that was something I didn't really like to see demonsaw one was really good like that didn't have it like hardly like I didn't notice any godus ghosting on that laptop they released with 120 Hertz screens so that was really good oh you wouldn't on that surely know when God there there would be a shocker this - yeah sure yeah yes some of the more did the standard not not those super high in ones I mean the lower mid-range $2,000 New Zealand price point where you're just getting a 1080p 60 Hertz TN panel and that that could be an issue not an Alanis plinian them that were pretty good but yeah that's that's what I see also but yeah we don't have much information on that one so have to see and I'll probably check it out when it comes up all right so we're going to move over to Q&A now join the forum's if you guys haven't you get Tech City TV slash forums sign up and I'll be making a new thread for next week's episode 25 next week so I'll have the thread up you guys can ask questions anytime you want we've got here the first question from the night sirak he said what is it worth buying a hybrid kit from EVGA and strapping it to a 1080 Ti he's planning on buying the founders vision 1080i from EVGA and of course it is cheaper it's like 700 year 700 pound versus the Auris extreme for example which is 800 pound you know in America I'd say go for the Auris extreme writes only an extra 50 USD even in Australia - 180 but 100 pounds is a lot of extra headway well it's a lot of overlay for that am that the extra power target essentially so I guess what the what he wants to ask is is it worth it and it's really only worth it on the founders if you're going to do the shunt mod and that's essentially where you are tricking the GPU into thinking it's getting a low power draw and it essentially gives it more power Headroom of course if you yeah if you'd really I just say go with your extreme if that's the case it's got a 150 percent power target out of the box so you would want to maybe just go with that because you know shut mods do carry risk it's not all risk free right so yeah so I'll be my recommendation there of course you just go with the founders Edition and just be happy with the 120% power target as well I mean 700 pounds just call it a day and then wait for them I mean because the founders edition cooler is really not that bad either so I'm just a big fan of the Auris extreme out of the box it is a beast of a card oh that was excellent when I tested I like to do it by an asset go scout gigabytes still haven't gotten back to me I've asked them twice now like look and you find out if the non-extreme has the 150 percent power target Boston two times now they haven't gone back to me it's like I might even just call them up today and be like look he's got people asking me doesn't have that power target - because if it doesn't then of course that Oris extremes price is even more justified then yeah because then people I I don't think you to the best of my knowledge from when I was investigating the difference is between the two models of orsten ATT is I don't think there's any changes in terms of any of that sort of stuff I mean components in that so hmm I would assume it wouldn't they would both have it but that's only an assumption but I would be very surprised if it if it was only 120 percent okay um yeah so that's one of my Ross I'm waiting on you to get back to me dude I said what do you think about the 1080 SLI instead of a single 1089 rather got a single 1080 and just save you money that would be my recommendation so yeah just went yeah with an all-in-one slapping a cooler on it it's it's fun it's cool you can get slightly higher over clocks but on the 1080i the biggest limit is that power target so you can either get a Norris extreme with 150% or you can shunt my jacquard so it's up to you personally I just got the Auris extreme that's just been my choice so yeah next question we got here was do you think Rison 3 will bring out another I do you think you will bring out another cookie cutter build with rising 3 because parts in South Africa are extremely expensive and I want to get the best value for money definitely yeah we'll be bringing out some really cool budget builds hitting the channel I don't know when because you know so many videos to do so little time there's going to be a bit of a while I think Joe Rosen 3 comes out anyway but I think a lot of people would be doing rice and three budget builds around the Rison 3 1,100 CPU which looks like it's going to be just crazy crazy value for a fork or for thread a little CPU so yeah but there's still well away from what I know they're not going to be up for a bit so yeah my guys I left awake yeah so yeah there will be though that would be built hitting the channel for sure yeah ok he's only running 8 gigabytes so Jonny RC was confused yep sorry I was confused too we're all confused episode 23 questions it wasn't there yeah so he's only running 8 gigabytes right now would you guys recommend buying another 80 by 24 hundred megahertz and overclocking it to 2666 or just buying an 8 gigabyte 2666 memory condone overclock it assuming I want to keep the original Ram and had another yeah I just go four by four that would be my recommendation you've already got two for two by four sticks there just run it four by four and I'm 2666 should be obtainable I don't imagine you wouldn't be able to get that overclock so yeah yeah I just yell fear with that I just get four by four so any chance of doing a segment where you sort of critique build sent in civically for that segment yeah I mean hot used setups I did it I did announce that was coming I mean I just started doing the house call series and I'm looking to do more series hot yourself so it's definitely on the on the cards I'm looking to do something like that I mean a lot I know the viewers love it I'm looking to sort of make some very brave breathe some new life into the channel I think just starts a new series you know like I just yeah that that's definitely on the cards so what about you keV you looking to do some new series breathe some new life into the channel um well the channel sort of found its own life lately anyways it's been going crazy the the growth has been phenomenal so I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing that's good I got so much tech to get through anyway so I got so much stuff and there we going to be busy for the next few months guys we got so much CPUs and everything out and GPU is probably to get through there for sure man so there's lots of work on the plate we don't have the next question is there any way to raise the voltage limit past the standard one 20% to the power to power limit that programs like precision and afterburner cap you out with a 1080i without modding the hardware of the card itself at the moment I mean not that really so there there's the shunt mod that's the the shunt mods for pacifically to get past that limit of course the only other way I noticed the by Norris extreme which that's why I said in my review when I was over clocking both cards that Oris was going to like a hundred and forty percent like in games so it was utilizing that extra power target that's that's why it was beneficial that's why I like the or extreme over the other tenets as over the founders edition it's just simply like it can overclock higher and then utilize that extra power draw other than that I mean you might be able to get accustomed by I didn't even know because you'd have to get accustomed boss made up from for that Pacific card and then there's the chances that it won't even work lately cost I find lately custom biases are really been finicky a and they really haven't been working properly so and yeah can you do a video comparing the qh8 G with that with the asrock mobo versus the risin r5 1500 X again he wants a very Pacific in Paris in here gaming video having pros and cons of each other and say between the two for a build one thing I'm still testing the 1700 then I'm going to move on to the 1600 honestly I like these are five 1600 I think it's a much better buy than the 1500 X I mean I know Steve was like saying the 1500 I love the 1600 I just pay that extra a little bit of money and get that 1600 you got two more calls for more threads really for me it's like that that would be worth that so it depends I guess on the user though like for you and someone like me of course we would want that six core for the render at times and everything else but if if you're just a pure gamer I don't think that there isn't much difference so you would be better off with that I think that's what maybe Steve was trying to say is that in gaming the difference is so negligible that you may as well just save your money but if you're a a doing productivity stuff as well then yeah you will notice that that difference there yeah so I kind of got here lots of stuff going on soon lot of stuff gone down soon we better get to the end of this one so yeah I mean I'll look into it and like people requests and bids guys I got so much on my plate I'll try and do what I can can't guarantee anything of course we've got the patron like I will like that's the thing we've got the patron set up like you know I do have a goal there if you know I do get a certain amount of money we're bringing someone on to edit videos and help you know what I mean so it's something that yeah they let okay here for for I don't really know what's going on never yeah we've got the patron account put the link in description below if you guys want to see more content it's you know I'm as a one-man band I'm very limited in how much content I can produce so yeah of course I'm going to be I really want to get someone else on to help out edit videos and stuff and so with that would would come all these in all these more comparisons everything just the yes-man will be back on camera more so yeah a so he from demo gamma gaming he shares our concerns he's waiting so long for failure to produce the GPU yeah I mean these these are just legit concerns right AMD is taking so long to produce Vega and again that's limitations of their company right they don't have a lot of R&D and we spoke about this in the past AMD are limited in what they can do in the amount of money they have so what you're seeing here is a limitation and it's it's starting to show with Vega being released so late in the cycle and will it even be competitive in video grabbing the ball and running with it so it's crazy yeah yeah it's it's not so III mean this there's going to be stuff behind the scenes that we don't know yeah there's more reasoning to this then it's not as simplistic as a lot of people think it is there will be big things going on behind the scenes which we do not know which is causing that delay yeah we've got last question here Brian totally off topic no nothing's really totally off topic mean but is Aki Harbor a good place for rich or a game hunting I'm going to Tokyo this autumn any recommendations for the shops I should go to have either you've been scammed on eBay or other sites what's the worst experience you've had okay so the first question Archy Harbor is amazing like there's retro game hunting there there's everything there I mean there's that super potato I'm pretty sure every retro hunter knows about super potato but there's a lot of other stores I'd recommend even renting a car and going outside of the city and just getting a navigation system and typing in hard off all the other ones you know hot off outside the city's so good for retro hunting there's so many cheap games my brother used to do it all the time when he came over and just be tagging along and looking at all the PC parts and so yeah retro hunting's hugeinjapan like you can get really good deals it is a lot of fun I just say in Tokyo though the prices of course they know what that stuff is worth in Tokyo so you're generally going to be paying market value for it as opposed to being scanned on eBay and other sites you have been hosed before I've been hosed on all sorts of auction sites Aliexpress I'm yet to be hosed on Ali you know I've heard people getting hosed on Ali but I'm yet to be hosed and I bought quite a few things off their eBay I've been hosed yeah with some artwork voice recorder thingy jizz ago when I was learning Japanese I got like just like 2005 I got hosed on this little voice recorder thing that sort of translated Japanese or whatever I was just that it was just miss advertised and I got hosed I've been hosed on a motherboard have been hosed on a CPU I got recently I got hosed on gumtree for a graphics card completely hosed men go I met me at a arm at a gas station and yeah just said oh yeah the card works and everything brought it back home and once you the drivers loaded up the card bricked itself so something really wrong with that cards that was the r9 280 so yeah I've been hosed quite a bit how about you keV no I haven't I mean I don't buy much you stick but I went I have I've always had good experiences even when I bought things that were people honest about but they were maybe like when I bought the r9 290 that was used for a Bitcoin mining and and there was a reference to 90 as well and their thing was fine even though it had a hard life but oh yeah Akihabara when I was there it's so cool man like it's just that's just such a cool place to be even though I wasn't really going there to buy retro games of by PC hardware I was going there to be a tourist it's so cool it's just such a fun bustling busy place than there's so much to do so many stores to go into yeah I really really enjoyed it do you like being there is that you enjoy the sort of atmosphere October is always on the go too I would want to live there no way way to heck no no you win one it's so busy yeah that's crazy so yeah man anyway I got to pull I got to pull the pin short on the live guys sorry about that I will have to get going so I will talk to you guys and thanks for care for coming on link to his channel B in the description below so we'll catch you guys next week for episode 25 of the tech lounge and hope yours had fun any closing words give you guys just uh thanks for tuning in and catch us next week alright see you guys next time peace out for now