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but the one problem I had with it was after a little while of using it this bottom edge he has started digging into my palms for years and years I've been looking for a replacement for my Logitech g3 now couple of years ago I did buy a Logitech G 302 and it was pretty good but it was still lacking that g3 feel that proper fingertip grip snappy Mouse and until recently I it's 2019 it's a new year and I was talking to a rocket John Linder on Twitter and behind the scenes and I said look man can we do another collaboration where I asked you about some different mice and we sort of test things out and see what's a change since the last time we collaborated and he said sure thing so I'm gonna go jump in the tech yes 'mobile right now and we're gonna go pay a rocket jump ninja a visit if he does didn't know he's a mouse reviewer pretty much the god of mouse reviews on YouTube and he's also a good friend so we're gonna ask him a heap of questions and hopefully pick me out a brand new Mouse so let's get on with it we are now at the rocket jump ninja studio where all the magic happens and what you see on the camera is exactly what goes on behind the scenes this is a mouse addiction ladies and gentlemen how many mouths internal do you have I would say so anyway guys before I came here I cheated a little bit there's the G 203 that I bought in America for 25 US dollars it's actually called the G 102 in Australia and you're no but it's the same Mouse exactly the same just different regions don't stress about it okay cool and you're saying he's also saying Robert genuine is saying the g 305 has the exact same shell but it's wireless so I'm gonna go through now with Robert John ninjas we're gonna take a look at a couple of these mice but also a new recommendation he has as well as at the zowie the Zoey as to Zoey at s2 it's essentially an FK - it's shorter Davina is it the pink mommy no okay so it's a pink dick they'll come up with another version so we just call it yes - for now okay so I'm gonna try this pink mouse out and also try this - Logitech mice out and see which one is going to be my new heaven mouse so now here I am actually recording on XY's setup this is absolutely amazing we've got the four mice here the candidates that we are going to be taking a look at while I'm playing the mouse accuracy and point click training and then from here I'm gonna decide which of these is the best so previously the last time we had the FK - so we're gonna redo that first to get a baseline score then we're gonna test out these two Logitech mice and then this other Zoe Mouse so let's have a look here first up big guy is this one let's start this okay we definitely need to change some options here let's go alright now it's open so here's now the FK - we got 21 targets and we must collect 14 times first time's a charm we're gonna go with I got instinct here let's push that aside next up now is our Logitech G 305 this is the rocketjump special this is the one that rocketjump thinks will be best for me let's give it a go just get used to it make sure it's all good to go oh man this is actually pretty old that was good that was like really good that was better than the FK - we're gonna push that aside I won did that ones winning that ones winning the pack 28 targets missclicked six times now we've got the G 102 this has the cable so we've kind of got to organize this in a Tsar your email cut that uh-huh sorry for that technical difficulty we have again Rach we are back now with the third attempt here it is that G 102 this is the one that I currently have at my house so I'm sort of I'm thinking if this one does the best I wouldn't be surprised but let's give it a go hmm I got more targets but i misclicked more as well so is that better or was that bad okay so the G 102 we got twenty nine targets versus 28 but we did miss click four more times so I'm gonna sideline that I think it's currently like close to a draw between these two at the moment so now we're gonna try the is it the Davina this one what's the pink one the Zhou es - okay Zoey yes - here it is guys we're gonna try the Zowie yes - let's try this again I'm ready this one feels pretty good this one does feel good I'm gonna give it and give it a little bit of a warm up here give this one a warm up this is this is it this is it no 27 times and we missclicked 13 times so currently the logic checks are winning the race here so we're gonna bring them back for a rematch we've got G 305 versus G 102 here these are the ones that naturally I did better in the two runs they came close this one got 28 but six Miss clicks this one's got 29 but 10 miss clicks so that was actually really good we got 31 targets we missed click 4 times on our second run with the G 102 let's now try the G 305 this is the wireless option he goes nothing 29 times an 11 miss clicks so I didn't I did not deliberately do that I sighs just looking at me but okay so the G 102 looks like it was the winner got the four miss clicks on 31 targets so I don't know what it was about these two they felt of course the shape and the weights pretty similar this one felt a little bit lighter for some reason I did enjoy this one a little bit more I thought the battery in here just I don't know I'm very sensitive to these kind of things and then this one had a slight bit of acceleration and now something about me personally since I do actually prefer playing RTS it's like my most favorite thing acceleration isn't a bad thing in RTS so I mean a lot of FPS shooters people hate acceleration I understand that but RTS is actually not a bad thing so and MOBAs as well so this mouse with its light I guess I'm guessing it's slightly inbuilt acceleration I'm gonna go with this as okay yeah okay okay all right okay okay all right so I wants a rematch okay well I'm I'm putting my game face on I'm trying now I'm sweating here dude like I'm trying that hard thirty times and five miss clicks okay it's doing pretty well now we're going on to a beautiful budget friend I think I probably like this one because it's the cheapest wait I just I want my cables they're basically the same get the wireless version if you want Wireless if you don't know why let's get the cable version they're the same Mouse just don't even put any weight into this at all I'm telling you guys there's a subtle difference like we look at these right here have we got the scales I wouldn't move one is lighter so I'm onto something so this will actually show on this camera oh wow that's so cool so so yeah it's slightly heavier but you can't get a triple a battery and just get a converter and get this one down to 85 as well that's why you shouldn't base the decision on weight you can't get this one not the same weight mind blown what can you do a triple weight so if you'd be so kind as to open up that Mouse take off the cover just like I showed you inside we've taken out the alkaline battery we're using a lithium battery they are lighter they should last longer as well if you get a triple-a version instead of a double-a and just put it in a converter the mouse will actually be lighter so that's how we get these mice down a bit lower and that's why having this battery is actually a better thing in my opinion if the battery does die in it you can just replace it it's fine but the battery I think lasts up about six months it's an insane amount of time huge about her life on these things so for me personally it's just the bulging shape on the sides that I've talked about so much with the shape that I don't like otherwise I'd be using this as my name it is that good this is some deep thought that I need to decide on here so we just finished out picking the perfect Mouse and that was so awesome but before we get into the DM questions for rocketjump ninja we're actually gonna get something to eat because I've been telling us that there's this awesome Greek restaurant just down the road so let's check that out get fueled up for these super awesome questions so here is now the great interview with zai there's things that we need to know about mice because is essentially the gateway to your PC and there's things that I need to know personally like for instance what is better a rubber cable or a braided cable it really depends on the manufacturer you can get really good rubber cables you get really good braided cables the braided cables are getting now is super soft way better than any rubber ones and the ones from razor also very good but once from final mouse dream machines and also the paracord incredible amazing definitely worth checking out but you can't really base it on braided versus rubber it really depends on the make okay so the next question now with a mouse and its weight what is the ideal weight for a first of all a fingertip grip mouse so depends on the user some people prefer heavy they say it studies a hand other people say no they want as little resistance as possible they want to have pretty much just a mouse feeling like it has anti-gravity and it's just a sensor in their hand that would be ideal I would say for me personally go as low as maybe even 40 grams I would love to try a mouse that's that light obviously I haven't had a chance to do that yet but again it's just about the user what do you want what do you feel comfortable with aiming a lot of the more competitive players I guess you could call them they're going for superlight mice that's why final Mouse is so popular right now whenever I go to buy a mouse there's always such a big slant on senses and for you personally how important is a sensor in a mice they used to be super important but because they're so good these days it's hard to go wrong it's not really the focus anymore we're more focused on shape that to me is the most important part now shape weight and then cable because the sensors are just outstanding the optical sensors 3389 3366 you name them they're all amazing even the logitech Aero sensor than you want it's performing just as well as the 3366 and most of my testing therefore which one do you choose it doesn't matter choose the right shape for you it's gonna affect your own way more next question for you personally are you a fingertip grip mouse or a claw grip or grupo I used to use palm grip back when I was using the Death Adder then I realized I wasn't aiming as well as I could so I switched to a smaller Mouse and now I'll use a I guess you'd call it a relaxed fingertip grip it's not quiet fingertip like with the really straight fingers it's just kind of relaxed and I guess it's from I throw it back to my palm grip days where I was always relaxed but fingertip grip because it seems to have more control I have more movements in their fingers and hand when I'm actually aiming like that as opposed to palm grip which is pretty much solid on the mouse now for me personally there's one thing I've noticed with mice I've always preferred 500 Hertz poling versus a thousand Hertz poling now of course you've got one millisecond versus two milliseconds but I actually find personally that the movements are actually more smoother is there something you've experienced or is there a reason why someone like me maybe it's just placebo or someone like me might prefer 500 Hertz over a thousand Hertz poling when you actually look at the difference between one millisecond and two milliseconds it's in humanly possible to even tell the difference if you can't tell the difference amazing you should go into scientific testing because that's a remarkable talent and skill it's really nothing though I personally can play at any and I really don't care again for me the shape is going to be the far more important factor then the hurts a lot of people bring it up finally most actually set their mice to 500 Hertz on purpose because they do say it's more stable with a bunch of other reasons to who's right who's wrong I don't know I don't really care I'm using all these mice and I'm playing just as well as with any others it really doesn't matter in my opinion just again under odd shape and weight and balance and whatever else it's gonna be far more important to your aim than something like 500 loads first 1,000 Hertz but do use a thousand Hertz or 500 Hertz I use whatever's on the mess I really don't care like it does not bother me one bit we need an answer thousand Hertz cuz it's that's our you cetera I'll just quickly say that I generally set my master a thousand Hertz just because it's habit there's no particular reason for it it's just something that I do now with a wireless mouse I think they're finally coming into an era they're becoming more accepted they're becoming more mainstream and popular a me personally I'm still one of those old-school guys that loves the cable but do you think Wireless is gonna be the future going forward with mice yes and no Wireless brings in a whole new set of problems but nothing major but at the same time I have heard there's some sort of hack so if you're a professional player and you're using your wireless mouse on the stage and someone has some sort of disrupting device or something that could cause a problem I don't know if that's true it's a rumor that I heard so it's something to consider at least be aware of just in case I have no idea I really want to make that clear I have not researched this I don't know I'm just throwing it out there because these are things you might need to consider if the technology does come around generally speaking though if you're at home use and just enjoying the game I would rather Wireless because less cable drag less to worry about with a me you I mean the new cables are almost feeling like Wireless so it doesn't matter but with most cables on the autumn ice you definitely want to go to Wireless because those cables do correct cable drag it to effect your aim they are a bit of a nightmare to deal with that time sorry just to be safe I would rather Wireless but if you're going into a professional setting I don't wanna comment on hedges share because we just don't know I've been sports sabotage that episode of touch it could happen that's mind blowing actually yeah they're doing some weird things next question allegedly so now the next question I've got for you is in relation to the switches that are implemented in mice which is your favorite switch and why so buttons to me personally not a big deal in quake not something that I care about too much wanna switches seem to be more reliable because they don't get the top clicking issue like the Omron's do how accurate that is I don't know but thank you was thinking it was important enough to recall all their mice at one point therefore there was an issue or something going on with your own switches that's why we don't have van keys are we on run switches but I think most of us dependent on the shell so you can't just rely on the switches to know which one you're going to like it's one of the things you just have to test for yourself and I hope you get an idea from other people before you buy because they they different from every manufacturer different from every Mouse that you buy even on the same shell and everything it could feel different so there's no easy answer with buttons I don't prefer either way I can use both but generally speaking to avoid the double-click issue Kawano seems to be safer but then they're not used in so many mice so this is another who knows answer so with the mouse industry and the way it's going forward what do you think the most I guess radical changes we will see will be to this industry and say the next couple of years I think we're going to see a lot more customization with none orchestra coming out soon or at some stage this year he's actually made it so you can replace the sides with your own 3d printed silence so you can pretty much design the masks yourself shape is such a huge factor if we can start to do that ourselves well who knows where we're going to go with that so I think once yes term comes out other companies will start noticing this to you and we'll see how it goes but definitely check out the Astor and while you can because it looks like it's gonna be an amazing Mouse and we'll get a smaller version at some point - very true I mean we have seen trends with final Mouse making and big emergence in the scene I guess with that customizer a new design so I guess shape is the most important thing what would be the next follow up to shape weight is a huge factor also why final Mouse is going so far forward and getting so much attention they've managed to get a large Mouse down to about 58 to 60 grams that's about half the weight of the g502 it's incredible and then follow up after that shape weight and then I would say cable and again find the mouse have the new paracord sort of cable it's extremely soft it doesn't bunch up or anything for me it's it feels like the mouse is Wireless I absolutely love those cables and then fourth bill quality switches good quality switches they will go without saying buttons is a huge factor of course you want general across-the-board everything in high quality but in terms of what features do you want to look for in a mouse because sensors are so good these days make sure it's a good one then after that forget about it then just shape weight cable they're the major ones so as I also the last question do you have any sponsors at all no what makes you say that thanks for this interviews I I hope you guys have been enlightened as much as I have thank you so much for your time if you guys have questions ofa's I that ones that I didn't think of ones that are really cool and be sure to go at it in the comment section below because as I have said in the start of this interview I think the mice or the mouse that you're using is your gateway to the PC it's such an important tool and we're seeing that with the implementation of all these mice that are being designed in recent years oh that's good good job okay so I ended up getting back from dinner and pondering on these difficult decisions but I'm going to have to go with the G 102 with the cable and there's actually some other reasons to it as well so I was using these a little bit more as well and it's just something about this mouse and as I can't rhyme in as well but for me it's just it's got this looser thrashy style click which I just absolutely love it reminds me of this older school mice something about it of course bringing me back to those g3 days where they would it was just amazing that Mouse and as well as that it just feels a slight bit better even with the cable attached I don't know I like I know this one has the wireless I know it's got the better sensor I know it's got the better click technically but for me this is just the better Mouse I don't know is I what do you think so mouse choice definitely a personal preference thing he mentioned that he preferred the buttons on this one that's fair enough that's going to change copy to copy those so I wouldn't put too much weight in that sense wise yeah the g3 i-5 is marginally better in-game though you probably won't really notice it unless you suffer from a tilt slide thing check out my channel for the explanation of that with the g10 - or g20 3 you will get cable dragged a little bit if you have a mouse bungee that will help but just not dealing with the cable is to me a great thing so I definitely rather the g30 5 is it gonna make that much difference probably not again it's a personal preference thing a budget thing both of these are really good mice personally I think the G 305 is going to be the better choice for most people if you can't afford it if I had to guess why I pick the g10 - I would say it's because it's got RGB here's a complete RGB noob so if you want a mouse for RGB noobs g10 - amazing embrace it okay just embrace it for this that's didn't mean to click twice that was better it's not a huge difference and that's one that points with these mice they're not going to be massive difference but we choose the right one because we enjoy it more we prefer the comfort I definitely prefer the comfort of the S - I do not like the sides a lot of stability that's the other thing when I'm actually aiming and strafing and doing everything that's actually in game the ladder of stability of this mouse doesn't actually fare out to me I do mess up some of my shots whereas that doesn't happen with more flat base and the nice curved sides off the s2 so personal preference how does your grip affect it how does your playstyle affect it what games you playing and so on these are all really important questions when it comes to Mouse choice but it guys I hope you enjoyed today's video if you did then you know what to do hit that like button also let us know in the comments section below what Mouse are you currently using are you a palm gripper error a fingertip gripper or a claw a gripper as we touched on with some of those questions before with zai obviously for me today I'm a fingertip gripper and I'm only looking at fingertip grip mice so that was something for me to choose out of all these mice and I ended up picking the cheaper one because I just liked it it was just had subjectively I just liked mouse better than the rest it was I guess it got the best score in that Mouse test too but again that was kind of more down to my focus and energy in other ways but anyway I've got a new winner here this one is finally going to replace my g3 as my new favorite Mouse finally and I'm looking forward to using this for years to come hope you guys anyway guys if you want to get the inside scoop before it hits youtube's lubed and check us out on instagram tech yes city and also if you enjoy the content you want to see it the moment it's out in your sub boxes don't forget to subscribe hit that notification bell and I'll catch you in the next one do you want to do the honors peace out for now bye that was the first time it's ever been ruined in the history of the channel peace out for now bye I think the joke's on you zai because everybody knows that just like your PC where RGB gives you extra fps your mouse when it's got RGB it's going to give you extra actions per minute people I like the thrash style click and I I just I like it better I'm sorry g3 i-5 uh okay so from my testing with five hundred Hertz Bertha verse a thousand no here's the answer we're actually gonna get assigned to eat because desires been telling us that there's this awesome great restaurant down the road that apparently caters to RGB noob