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and welcome to episode 46 of the TechnoBuffalo so I'm why of your to host for today Sean ani editor-in-chief of the site and i'm joined by deputy managing editor Todd Hazleton everybody I've discovered that as the show goes on I just keeps stretching your first name out longer I'm not sure why I just do ha let's get ready for Todd how are you doing this week I'm good it's low quieter this week it is it's crazy I wrote that in our newsletter that went out like sort of finally a little bit of quiet i've been saying it's been crazy busy and almost like every week we've had an event yeah and if it's not an event it's something new coming in with gap of watches g4 or something and then you know later this month we have google i/o and then we have in june WWDC we have III in june so it's gonna pick up again but yeah this is like a calm in the storm right before we move into the busy summer season yeah and of course with our increasing entertainment coverage we have the summer movie season kicking off and yeah it's going to be a long summer a long hot summer yeah couple topics we wanted to touch on today and the first one that we were going to tackle was cord-cutting which actually we we have a question we don't really don't start with question right away but such a mahal asked for you know what does it mean to cut the cord does it mean internet only and no cable TV subscription so that's kind of what we're going to talk about today and after even though I have been considered the streaming media you know expert i'm using are you i'm using air quotes for those of you listening to the audio only version of the show even though that has been you know kind of my my wheelhouse I've still kept a subscription to DIRECTV because I'm 43 you know I TV has always come to me in that format in some way or another and honestly after looking at the bill this month i just went you know what there's I i sat down i started looking at like Netflix and Amazon Prime and Hulu and even CBS all access and when I can get all my shows that's it I'm done and between all my receivers and programming and all that insurance i was paying 151 dollars a month to directv which I just feel is outrageous and by time I now here's the thing i don't consider amazon prime a subscription for the video portion because i use the shipping primarily you don't anything online I'm not accounting that in my calculations but so I'm paying I'm still paying seven ninety-nine a month for Netflix because I'm an old enough customer to still be on that right hulu will be seven ninety-nine a month and CBS all access with five ninety-nine a month which by the way CBS that really still sucks that your separate so hope I'm looking at let's see that's eight dollars eight dollars 16 plus 60 it's $22 i'll be paying twenty two dollars a month and compared to 151 so you're not gonna do HBO in anyone i'm not going to do HBO yeah I vieo yes I would like to but that's that's 15 bucks a month just for that sir right hell yeah and the way I look at it even if let's say you know I wanted to buy a season of a HBO show ok so that's going to be 40 bucks well that's a one-time price out of the entire year mm-hmm you know so i can buy one to two seasons a year and not feel bad about it right yes you'll come out ahead you know why pay the monthly subscription I mean I would like CBS yeah i watch The Big Bang Theory survivor the amazing race just yesterday they confirm Supergirl so I have to watch Supergirl because I'm a giant geek who knows if he'll suck I'm still going to watch it but so you're saving more than a hundred bucks you could actually go out and buy two seasons of anything each month and still you see anymore still come out ahead yeah wow yeah and that's it's ridiculous to me yes my internet usage is going to jump through the roof and I'll have to wait to see if my cable company goes hey wait a minute which luckily my cable company it might my like say my cable company but my internet company you know luckily they don't have overages they their rule is if you go over your limit for three consecutive months then they force you to go to the next package up which in my case would be another twenty-five dollars a month still coming out ahead right Wow I think we pay here and because I have comcast so it's all together like 140 and that has that's HBO all of our TV channels and then I get pretty decent internet but it's different you know it depends on the market here in two well you pay yeah well I'm in a market where we only have one cable company here and it's a small company called cable one which oddly enough yesterday I had to call them because my internet went down and when I called them they had a pre-recorded message as of May third and I had no idea they've done this as of May third they no longer offering pay-per-view channels huh and that's big and they bluntly say there are enough internet options that we do not and usage has dropped so dramatically that we will no longer be offering pay-per-view that's interesting I thought that was really interesting because if you think about it you know if you go on iTunes you can rent in a movie for 299 399 somewhere in that range same with Amazon so there are plenty of options so why pay you know pay-per-view usually was like 7 99 or so you know why even bother to think about using that right so it's going to be an interesting new world for us I you know as I've mentioned on the show before I live with my family you know because of where we are and you know none of us have ever gone without having some sort of regular television coming in and so yes it's going to take some adjustment the big question I've been getting is what device we're going to use we're going to use primarily the roku yeah it's in a bit now i do have a chromebox attached to my television so there are certain shows that we watch that are not on any streaming services but their websites offer streaming so we'll use the chromebox to watch those shows from their website nice yeah and that will be a super simple solution on those so it's going to be I'm sure it's going to take some adjustment you know we're big yo just turn the tv leave it on for Bo a bunch of clever time yeah you know the now we're debating sling yeah because if we had if we subscribe to sling then we could just still leave on like food network or whatever right you shouldn't sit it but if we got the basic package that's twenty dollars we're still coming out ahead there's gonna be so hard for us to not come out ahead weird we would have to actively try to spend money do not come out ahead it's pretty compelling I don't even know if I could like with comcast I guess I could just do internet when I lived in New York City we did I was technically a cord cutter back then but I wasn't a cord cutter in the sense that I was streaming stuff because there wasn't really a lot of options at the time I guess there was Netflix um but I just was really only just paying for internet we didn't have TV I guess but I don't know you know I live in a building where Comcast's order has the building I don't know that I could even go to just internet there'd be some TV in there well I think up until like the past three years I always wondered how cord cutters did because there weren't that many options right you know and it was a lot of downloading torrents yeah but like oh yeah I get everything online uh-huh yeah legally there's the word I i will be doing everything absolutely legally no and it's going to be an interesting you know experience i'm sure i'll write some articles about it and i'm sure i'll talk about here on the show and that now i will say we're not cutting the cord until after the season finales because we're like well we need some time to adjust to the idea so we're waiting for our shows to finish like arrow the flash whatever and then we're going to cut the cord later there's one do you have like and within the next two weeks oh so route would yeah but by the end of this month we will have cut the cord now when you cut the cord is there does this work sort of like carriers do you like wireless carriers had to pay a fee or is it just sort of like i'm done and you send everything back if we had still been under contract with directv we had fulfilled our agreement with them so we are a month to month at this point okay so yeah i can just call up and go we're done by what about other but you know what the cost usually is i'm just generally curious that i'm not sure i'm not sure it depends on if you took an agreement with them which we used to and we kind of was starting to move towards this and so we didn't take a new agreement with them a while back and just a ton months a month but i just like any contract there's sure to be an etf right o funniest a fee I ever ran into and totally not tech related I used to belong to it to a national gym chain and when I bought my own treadmill I was like you know I went in to quit all that and I had not caught in the contract that I signed originally I had fulfilled my months which was 18 months mmm I fulfilled my months and gone to month to month even with that I still had to pay them a goodbye month yeah yep I remember that one antigen in your i looked at the manager i was like you're kidding me right he's like no I was like look I'm not going to imagine you didn't write the contract and I I should read it closer but you're kidding me right crazy yeah things that sneak in all these things I'm curious about it too because we had fios was finally put my building which was like I said usually dominated by Comcast and they were going around knocking on doors you know like here are plants and stuff and I was like I mean I'd consider it but I think I'm locked in this some kind of contract right well is it still comcast though verizon fios Oh verizon fios okay so your buildings not just strictly comcast net it was now like as of this week they just started offering files too gotcha well hey if you're us i think the plans are lower than they would otherwise because yeah yeah since they've got competition to look at now so oh no it's gonna be interesting and i'm sure there will be some frustrating hiccups that i have not foreseen but are you worried at all about see the nice thing about the TV least for me is that I have you know usually one remote except with the xbox one I have the controller too and you can use one guide like are you annoyed at all that you're gonna have to bounce around like oh man I gotta go on the chromecast now so that means you gotta get the keyboard mouse out done that that has crossed my mind and so I'm actually I'm gonna go old-school I'm going to make a sheet and it's going to list what day we will now watch the show because of course where I have to shift everything because the hulu doesn't have the show at the same time right right right so let's what day the show will be on what service it's on because it's it on CBS all access or is it on hulu and also which device we have to watch it on luckily most of everything will come through the Roku there's just a couple odd balls that are the yeah that will have to use the the chromebox for that comes back to something you're talking about the other week and it reminds me of the boxee box but something that could just pull all of it together you know one user interface yeah if you pay for this this this and this is what shows up and then you have sort of your typical old you know cable listing of channels but it's just the ones you pay for well I mean n theory yes we could use the chromebox for everything but the Roku's just so blasted easy right you know I it's just a lot easier to pick up that little remote and which now has voice search which has dedicated buttons for certain services yo I don't know he's great we love our rookie too yeah yeah although someone's like this podcast is sponsored by Roku please it's not we swear exactly swear we're just big Roku fans if matter of fact in my office I have a roku television during happy for those of you listening on the audio I I held up my remote but uh which is awesome that they're now building it into televisions yeah but no we're not we are not paid by Roku this is not a paid endorsement so as we go as I go along on this journey I I will continue to update people but the the other thing we wanted to talk about this is also another potentially cost saving new services google phi or fee or however you want to say I think it's 52 like Wi-Fi but project fight because it operates on Wi-Fi too yeah so I for that for those that don't know what it is why don't you walk them through it Todd yeah so it's just google i guess it was a couple weeks ago announced there that they're serving as a wireless carrier but really it's it's technically a mobile virtual operator network operator so MVNO like you would have from say a boost mobile or something else that runs on somebody else's network and in case of busan boost mobile it's owned by sprint but project phi operates on t-mobile and Sprint's networks chooses the betta the one that has the best signal for you and gives that to you at all times and then also allows you to place calls over Wi-Fi and stuff like that and it has agreements presumably with tmobile for international roaming to so that your your calls are low-cost abroad but you still get the text messages and stuff and data which is just like with t-mobile offers when you travel to I want to see it's like 120 plus countries something like that but right now countries that mobile does right exactly and right now it's an invite only and there are some sacrifices came out yesterday you got it give up some of your google voice stuff like your google voice number and all that switch over these very odd to me yeah it did seem odd to me too but i guess they got it assignee of something right but the i don't know because you can also like if i were to switch one of my ATT numbers right that's not on the contract over i could use that number so it does seem weird that I'd give up my google voice number but maybe it's something in the back end it's like tied to your account like it wouldn't know because i have a google voice number TV i don't really use it hey i have one too and I can't remember last time I actually used it so it's so it has that Wi-Fi calling handoff to the regular networks low costs in general its low-cost I think if you used a lot of data it starts to get a little more expensive because it's ten bucks gigabyte pretty much flat rate however if you don't use it all you get that credit back towards your next bill up believe it works and I think because it's google it's all really easy to manage works right on your phone does require a new sim card they said obviously because you can't use you know just sprint or just t-mobile it's going to use both and they haven't really talked about I saw even in the invite news yesterday like how you get that presumably they mail it to you overnight or something and then it only right now works with the nexus 6 only in the United States is it sort of available for customers and again that's I see a question here do you think it will pick spin other countries outside the USA and I don't think right now no it won't because it's tied with tmobile espresso Google would need different roaming networks or writing partners and presumably it could I mean t-mobile in the United States is owned by deutsche telekom in which telecom big German carrier it could do that in Europe but there's nothing in place right now and other phones I think may be unlocked phones but again its Nexus 6 right now I think it's tuned right for them to use so that's why it's just that but I'm excited for it to sort of roll out more broadly right now it seems very very limited exactly exactly i mean i'm intrigued by it but you know it could be huge cost savings for for the right people that can use it it's gonna save them money yeah you know but it does need to expand to more hands that's for sure and you know as Benjamin McDonald was asking about expand into other countries I think if it ever does expand to other countries this could be huge hmm yeah but it's just a matter of I think it's in its infancy right now yeah well it's definitely in its infancy or baby yeah yeah bacon ferry baby steps oh you know when you're limiting not only to one country but to one phone yeah I don't know I would love to see them maybe if they just teamed up with different manufacturers like say Samsung was able to offer a Google five phone or 1 plus was able to do a Google photo that would be perfect right yes something like that that is fuzzy under no contract ooh so you'd still buy your one pause at the full price and then they were able to offer you a package and then you know one plus gets a cut of the deal right and it would be simple i think is it's just I think it's just a matter of bands and probably a little bit of software which would be easy but the bands and you know Nexus 6 supports right off the top of my head but a lot so if it just had the right bands and presumably it would just work so down now so I don't know it's it's going to be interesting and monev men ave 9900 is asking what do you what do you think about google fine its future it honestly I don't know if google has a grander plan for this it is such a small baby step that's almost kind of like a well let's just toss our hat in here and see what happens yeah but you have to wonder if maybe it's also like trial stages with google fiber and that's not you know nationwide yet at least it has that internet you know groundwork laid that it could do something huge here especially if it was able to get ownership of the frequencies but I think right now it's really interesting to see how they teamed up with t-mobile and Sprint it sort of tells you that like one isn't good enough which I mean in general t-mobile's got great speeds in some areas same with sprint but like stand alone there neither one is you know on a level of eighteen t and Sprint's I think and it combined it's a it's a pretty good partnership because one of the things that t-mobile struggles with is indoor connectivity it's just one of the issues with its business I think it's fixing that with the rollout of seventeen hundred megahertz but sprint obviously since it operates on different bands they penetrate buildings a little easier so you don't have to worry about that so much it's really sort of the complement each other so I think that were taught uh non google fire related but I wanted to address this real quick Nathan gulseren not a question but just wanted to say thanks text on Buffalo for the LG g3 sent me for the contest been watching for years you're quite welcome Nathan that for anyone that's ever wondered if there's actual winners there's one of ya they are people we do everyone so while we do get questions yeah do you actually give these prices out yes believe me our shipping bill shows that we actually do get these praxis yeah you should tell the company's stupid yes it we have to fill everyone that supplies us with prizes we have to tell them who won and everything else so yes prices really do go but congratulations Nathan glad glad one of our podcast fans doing something but uh let's see from brazen Franco what would happen if Google decided to merge fiber and 50 sounds like it could that's what sort of what I was saying it sounds like you stand alone service but what so long as Phi is depending on Sprint t-mobile which it is obviously then I don't know that it you know it's not going to be like Google taking on AT&T in that sense where you have ATT that has you and Verizon see where they provide Internet in addition to wireless connectivity services but I think fiber could potentially give Google the speeds it needs to do something like that as long as it can get the spectrum you know to deploy it and those things take a long time I mean we're talking you know we've been watching over the past couple years LTE rollouts you know which tmobile sprint still rolling it out nationwide well t-mobile stills from private between process from David DeMille has anyone on the techno Buffalo team been accepted the project five no not yet I email i'll try to see we could kind of weasel our way in I heard back but I also apply you know just like everybody else so just kind of waiting yeah because I didn't have a nexus 6 I I did not apply but the we we did put in applications and we have not heard anything as of yep yeah we're going on hopefully hopefully let's see here we've got a bunch of other questions coming in from Benjamin McDonald do you think that Android M will support computer seeing as they said that quote Android M will support all devices unquote or something like that though they took it away I think it's more I mean possibly i think is especially in the future if they decide to merge Chrome OS and Android a bit more they sort of are bringing together but I think it was just more of the same message that we saw with Android L android lollipop five point out and on that it would you know it's this operating system for everything so Android auto Android wear Android TV you know android on your phones and tablets I think it's more along the lines of that like on all your screens I don't know that I mean I think it's going to support computers I just don't think it's going to be like this operating system because they have chrome OS for that but I would love to see you no more apps make their way over to Chrome OS and vice versa well I guess just just one way don't really need Chrome apps on Android it sort of our easiest uh let's see here from verizon Franco bengay my entertainment off of just the internet for the last few years never missed sat so far youtube twitch and popcorn time hahaha don't judge me i used to have netflix but then tuner went down in the baguette beginning of the year I got locked out for VPN uh we won't talk about popcorn time so that's why you're cutting the cord no no no i i went on popcorn time once um you know just to see what it was like it would it took got worked a lot better than I thought it would yeah um but that's just not my my style for those that use popcorn time I don't care whatever yeah either no I I try to I try to live an aboveboard life but you know it to each their own and I have zero if someone else does it whatever yeah but I was surprised how well it worked yeah the YouTube see I'm just not one of those people that can just sit around and jump around YouTube videos all day I just it's not again I think it's a generational thing because I'm very used to it Joey brings us up a lot when we're discussing scheduling a post and that that was a hurdle he felt I had to get over he's like you schedule like you you're a television network on the half-hour exactly could for those that don't know we do we write a lot of our posts in advance they're written that day but like we get ahead so I don't want to push them all at once oh I schedule on throughout the day and I used to do every 30 minutes hmm and Joey was like we need to bring that down I was like but why is like because we're not television network but yeah yeah so it's YouTube is just that I I do watch a lot of YouTube I just usually though I go look some topic up watch what i need and then I leave I don't just sit there for hours and watch youtube videos I've gotten recently I like to sit in bed I the chromecast in my bedroom and pull up youtube usually like go through the TechnoBuffalo videos the day and chromecast him up and I like that too but I'm not actually the same way I don't really bounce around YouTube all that often and if I do it's sort of an endless pit of funny videos and then I don't get anything done that's a reddit like I can't in myself like during the workday can't do it so I just I read it's like my bedtime browsing a friend a while back emailed me a picture he was chrome casting the TechnoBuffalo show does 55 inch television I was like that's just frightening looking like 32 inches yeah you know it was me on the screen at the time I was like no that's not no no but for those of you that may be chrome caching us don't don't let me know from juan vargas do you think Google will ever release chrome at OS is a standalone so I could install it on a regular pc or laptop that's all I wonder I mean especially now that it's running on Intel chips and it has been for a little bit but uh that's a good point that'd be cool that could be very cold yeah I kind of like when people were big into making hackintosh a--'s although i think in general and like I'm not knocking Chromebooks at all but it is very much just like I mean if you already have the chrome browser it's sort of very similar really aside from the Android app support a excellent question from David DeMille is there any reason you guys don't use Apple TV just curious um I have a couple reasons one of the big ones and I own hey I oh I own one too for those listening on that exactly I'm holding up the apple TV remote I love apple design I think this may be the worst designed remote in the history of man it absolutely is and it was funny there's a report the other day about you know they might add touch controls in the new remote and like every story and I wrote in ours was like have you ever tried to go through a list a long list with that remote I hate this remote with the fiery passionate yeah the other thing is that Apple TV doesn't offer near the number of channels that a Roku does a Roku Roku has over 2000 channels Apple has a much tighter lockdown what channels they offer and when it comes to service like Netflix I just really really hate this remote oh that that's a large chunk of the reason I don't watch re don't use Apple TV nearly as much as I use Roku yeah well I ultimately end up and I have a Roku I like a lot but I ultimately end up just using whatever systems connected so either the ps4 xbox one because sort of Gorga chromecast it's just quicker apple TV is connected just not usually not from a Nathan dollars and oh I can beat that I stream you to my chromecast on my 75 inches ducky I bet my beard looks magnificent in all your HD but oh good lord um I might look like Minecraft though because version we're on our webcams aren't very good on an ultra HDTV pixels excuse me I'm gonna go out and punch a tree from karaoke that's on Apple's potential plan to try and convince music labels to end the current freemium model like what youtube and spotify currently does and make all users pay a monthly fee for streaming if that rumor is true Apple is going to gain so much ill will yeah daggering I feel like like the the free model works because for example I use Spotify for free for a while and I was like this is really great i'm willing to pay for it so like I if it's driving people to then pay for the service which then I mean in a whatever I know artists like Taylor Swift feel like they don't make enough money from Spotify but if then they artists get paid because I'm paying for it and it's a legitimate business then like the free model does work and it's fair and it's ad supported stuff like that so to me I always like how is the free model really any different than radio right that's not you know and just like you I I didn't pay I don't I don't know why I'm not a huge fan of Spotify I much prefer Pandora Sue and I I pay for Pandora you know and as I lay in bed every night yo catching up on the news of the day on my iPad I've got a paint or channels you know streaming for my television you know so yes I I do pay and the reason I pays I don't want hear the ads right you know if they gets modified for the Dave curated list see which is kind of similar i I don't know I mean we've heard that the music industry hates the the free versions and I think that speaks more to and I'm gonna be blunt and get some what political perhaps I'm for the the just blatant greed of the music industry I was gonna say they hated Napster too so what big one the music industry is easily one of the greediest industries I have ever seen yeah it is staggering how they feel they should be paid for absolutely everything it's just like having owned a retail store I could not play the radio the radio mind you in my store without paying a licensing fee because then that was considered a public performance really yeah so even though the radio was behind our counter and we kept it at a very low volume so long as we kept it below certain decibel level which I can't remember what what that number was I didn't have to pay that's obscene yeah because the under a certain decibel level it was considered personal use I'm like you're going to come in here with a decibel meter and and measure how loud i'm playing my radio it's terrible and you know it comes back to like here spotify people are paying for music we're not using Napster we're not using Bozek Kazaam not like it's we're legal now so like take it yeah are you happy angry uh for relaxed like a cat also if it has already been asked what do you think about the e saying that skype is too much like sky yeah that was crazy I was part of it we I don't remember who wrote that one but when i was editing it i just kept reading going this can't be real i had to go back through the story too i was cuz BBC News drove it and I thought it was I was like what escape in sky and I know it came down to like partially the skype logo has clouds involved okay I'll come on you gotta be back at the time skype first came around I was working in the web 2.0 space hmm the skype logo is just like any other web two point O logo at that time oh yeah that art style was everywhere they were not trying to imply bubbly bubbly they weren't trying to imply clouds in the sky that was the most ridiculous story I've read all this week hey I was a mind boggled by this yeah I I'm definitely on skype side of the even think about the way you say the word you don't actually say sky racist okay yeah nobody's like did you say skier's skype ya know skype is blue it reminds me of when King games was trained to trademark the word saga of right yeah yeah so now we're going to learn that sky television owns the rights to the word sky I mean it's it's ridiculous and microsoft said that um you know they're confident didn't peel work in their favor and it has to i mean ridiculous yeah yeah uh um let's see here we got a lot of questions going here uh from whoa okay that's a Greek name from coot coot 'can i believe hey guys is Roku available in other countries I'm from Greece there is no netflix support but apple TV is available do you have any idea yes Roku is available i know at least in the United Kingdom I don't know beyond the eye and Canada I don't know how much they've expanded into the rest of Europe though so you may want to go to Roku calm and look into that if it ever comes there it has my high recommendations yeah I'm not sure oh let's see here from Nathan Golson I switched from my galaxy s3 done iphone 6 plus and I actually love the smoothness of iOS but i feel it's missing a few things what would you like to see an iOS 9 i'd like to see the notifications changed um to be more like android ok great a like notification shade is useless for me i just have to go through and clear everything totally great the notification shade is completely useless yeah I'm cie Siri needs a lot of work too and I think it apparently is going to get a lot of work but Google now is leaps and bounds better i think Cortana is better in a lot of ways like right now Syria doesn't sort of like tap into your stuff like your email to get your flight schedules in your packages and I really like that about Cortana and Google now so I hope it comes to Syria yeah I fully agree on every everything you mentioned on it the notification shade to me is completely useless and what I really hate is you'll get a notification and I keep making the mistake of hitting the home button to turn on my screen and because of touch ID it immediately takes me in and I can't see what the notification was even what services for oh yeah I don't know how many times I've been like well I don't know what it was if it was important they'll get a hold of me yeah I don't think I'm actually I'm positive but it's not and yeah it's not in order of when they come in either nope so it's just like like if you go to notifications you know it's just like messages app store you know netflix and this is like what like we could be the ability to do a chronological order yeah yeah totally cuz then if you miss it you know just go in you're like oh it is let's go yeah maps have elapsed uh speaking of maps from Erin Erin saheed oh I believe I thoughts on nokia's here mapping system and whether they should enter into a deal with Facebook you know they're the belle of the ball without even trying at the moment yeah it's crazy I mean nobody was talking about here maps to like recently and I think it's because all these companies serve want their own mapping system right and then you see we were actually recovered a report this morning their first I was like oh it's the rumor that BMW audi and mercedes-benz want to buy here maps again we've heard that except for this rumor came from Forbes actually sounded pretty legitimate those three car companies are ready to make a bid on nokia here maps and the reason is for self-driving cars and they don't want Apple and Google who already have maps and you know Facebook I don't think they're hanging in the self-driving cars but uh Hoover had talked about it that was another interest in here but they don't want these silicon valley firms now having a Nokia Maps and so basically owning all of the mapping technology for self-driving cars and sort of running the industry there and the fewer I guess is that Google will launch this self-driving car operating system that powers its own maps and everybody will get it for free and then here are these car companies sort of you know out on their own so they want nokia here maps stay ahead of it which i thought was really interesting yeah i just i find it interesting how everyone seems to be you know asking for a dance with here and it's 50 because I nokia here maps is okay and works on windows phones and so I still prefer google maps and now it works on android here maps and it's great for offline stuff free voice guided navigation all kinds of stuff but it just was sort of like I don't think very popular among most people and which is sort of this MA and now all of a sudden it's like facebook launched the mover wants and these car companies want I mean you can see how important really good mapping software is yeah yeah no total uh from such in the hall will the oculus rift be worth the wait when it comes out early 2016 or is it better to go with one of its competitors I have not had a chance to really try me the VR headsets but Todd you've tried many eight in the five I like them both I think they're both can be really exciting definitely worth the wait i wish it was out now but i'm willing to wait for it i would really want to see the price and requirements um you know I was going to rebuild my pc which I you guys know that up and running Windows 10 on it but it's it's just so slow these days of them not using it but I'm gonna wait now I think until early 2016 when I see the hardware requirements for oculus rift and stuff so I know I'm building a system you know power that thing because what I've seen uh in my demos it was really mind-blowing but I don't know what kind of hardware you know for the vibe and the rift was running they wouldn't really tell us except for that they were nvidia graphics cards so it's going to be an expensive computer and then probably an expensive headset yeah it's gonna be interesting to see where this goes I i I'm not completely sold on the concept of needing VR yet I'm grab CC some definite use cases and because I I've gone through enough gaming peripherals over my ears you know to just I have a big question on these sorts of things I'm going to have to see oculus or any VR headset get a killer app that is a must have yeah I want to see like a huge you know multiplayer game world that you can run around and I mean that would just be because you really feel like you're there so this will be the resurrection of Second Life yeah well you know I read an article about that second life is still going I saw that too but the head and it has more users than it did at the time where it was supposedly the hottest thing who who's you thinking I have no idea I've never once used up maybe Apple has like all their meetings in second life we can sneak into him I remember when si si le iphone 7 remember see us i built an entire episode around second life no they built a mystery Epis that role in mystery episode they built a murder mystery around second life played a part in it oh man well i love the south park episode about oculus where they couldn't tell if they were in the real world of the oculus oculus world yeah they didn't know who was wearing it uh from kuchen uh vr or AG which you think is better for those that don't know a G stands for augmented reality I'm far more interested on what I'm not going to make the comment that I made a couple weeks ago about augmented reality I heard about that one on Twitter a lot look what no was a thing horrible is the fact that I eat I basically said that I needed things to help me deal with reality hahaha which was it quite the way I meant it but I think they're just totally different right like vr to me seems origin for gaming and stuff and then augmented reality what we've seen with microsoft hololens is you know put a youtube video here on the wall and then fix your sink I don't know why why does it always come down to plumbing with the hololens believe it's like do the demo of it how often do you fix your sink anyway oh it does come down to that hmm just idle Palmer haha they beat me to the Joker's gonna be like you know what there's this great technology the three-dimensional everything it'll even do the work for you ya know I I'm far more interest in augmented reality than I am in virtual reality there are two very different creatures really when you look at them I could see a lot of potential uses to augmented reality I imagine say you're driving you know and sometimes you're like wait is that the road no it'd be great if on augmented headset it do an arrow pointed like I went there right there it's really cancel displays which is I guess this exact movements reality right you I know HUDs are definitely a version of augmented reality anyway that is going to bring this week's episode to a close as always we digitized joints I know it did go fast as always you can find us on the itunes store by 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