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and welcome to episode 65 at the TechnoBuffalo show I'm live your to host for today Sean ani editor-in-chief of the site and i'm joined by managing deputy editor Todd Hazleton hey guys you cause for a second there I thought maybe your time machine was going again well my fair today is back to the future day year I already went back to the future and came back but still no flying cars yeah so how are you doing this week i'm good busy week i just sent out the newsletter which sort of talks about it's funny it's nice the newsletter we send it out usually on Wednesdays and I either write it on Tuesday night or Wednesday morning and it covers like what went on during the week for people who aren't subscriber to you and it's always crazy how much happened in the past seven days like I don't know I go back and I'm always like what I was a pretty busy week and this week it was we had the Nexus unboxings on monday i think the embargo was today we had a surface pro 4 and we'll be bringing your other review of that we also had the a9 you can talk about for a little bit from HTC the 189 gaming had four reviews with two peripherals which are fun one was a steering wheel and stuff so is it there's a lot of stuff I guess hold up morning I am again yeah I phone oh man haha I've only seen it in still photos ya in person that's the thing I feel like a lot of the time actually one commenter said like something nasty me today I like that I don't know that I don't make any sense or something but come on like look at it in person I saw somebody yesterday with an iphone 6 I was at an HTC event and I know review units had been seated and I was like oh they have the 92 and then I realized oh never mind i should she have phone sex I ain't I like HTC don't get me wrong I've had HTC phones my mother it's big fan of the HTC One m8 yeah the that looks a little too much like an iPhone yeah um so what they're saying and I was sure brought the phones out before the review but what HTC's argument is and I can understand it for for some perspectives but is that the Lions okay the antenna lines you expose that was done before on the m7 h GC give that ok and then happy Apple Abby apple took that that makes sense and then they also said that the rounded kind of flatter design was from the desire series specifically to desire 8 16 and I can see that but those when you merge the two together when you yeah right so then Apple released a phone that doesn't look like either of those but has the antenna lines okay okay they copied the antenna lines but now app HTC comes in merges them it looks like the iPhone and says we didn't copy the iphone no come on so I think it's very similar-looking that said who cares right into the day at the end of the day and I think that's what some commenters and people on the internet aren't understanding when when journalists and pundits are saying like what looks like an iphone but it doesn't really matter rants running Android it's a great device so far and at three hundred ninety nine dollars with marshmallow and all that I mean I think it's very excited so okay let's backtrack for just a second here almost all forms all phones now are the slab form factor mhm that gives you X amount of space to work with them right that means that yes there are going to be points where you look like somebody else because there's only so many things you can do with that form factor right exactly so yeah I i agree with you if it if it's a good phone it's a good phone I don't care what it looks like yeah and I mean I think apples proven that it has a popular design on its hands right and sure you know Apple has been using aluminum but HTC has to and solid bricks of aluminum which are beautiful but HTC previously would sort of have that bump on the back so it figure palm and I think they actually worked with the battery so that filled that space specifically on the on the m7 the first one m7 and then they didn't do that here he's got a smaller battery but what they're saying is that features like dough is in marshmallow and which is the the power management will help and the new Snapdragon 617 processor will help you get good battery life with this and right now I'm at ninety-two percent it's been off the charger since like 7am so they haven't been using it crazy this morning what isn't it here you have a visitor behind you for those watching them yeah sure I puppy is awake today well overall as we always state in situations like this this is not the official review of TechnoBuffalo how is the phone so far so far it's great and I really like I was talking to people yesterday HTC and I was saying I'm one of those people i know we've moved on a cloud storage and you can get hard 28 gigs of storage us up but i'm one of the people that really likes micro SD card slot still this has one and it with marshmallow now you can actually format it so that it's used as local storage so this has 32 gigs of on-board storage you have the micro SD card formatted properly then you're just adding on it's like local sort so the apps actually sit fully on that as opposed to where you can only move parts of the apps over the micro SD card which is really convenient but I noticed when I was going through it that once you format it it says like this micro SD card can only be used in this phone so I don't which seems crazy like does that mean it's dumb for can you reformat it I don't know I would assume you could reformat that's what I would assume too but I haven't done it yet so but I love the fact that i'll do up to a two terabyte micro SD card yeah which we don't have yet I I know we don't be poor right so let's say there was a two terabyte SD micro SD card out there right now right the idea that something that small can hold more than my desktop I know yeah that's crazy to think about nice to have 128 gigs in my macbook here and I mean I can I could see that easily with this phone which actually so now I have a reason to buy that 128 gigabyte microSD card I've been sitting on forever yeah the you every time there's a spell oh yeah I'm on the site we published the sales whenever they hit amazon and I've been waiting to click buy on it but I haven't yet but anyway so I'm really liking it great phone so far at first my first hands-on I played with the camera and I thought it was really really atrocious so far since I've had it since last night a little bit more it'sit's better and I believe when I first check it I checked the camera module it's the same module in the oneplus one and the Nexus 6 but of course software makes a big difference so whatever its gc's done on on that side cool I look forward to reading all of your thoughts on it and it's I'm not in the market for another phone right now but neither but I'm so I saw the garnet red one which is like a deep red like a cranberry and it does look pretty and he can't mistake that for an iphone eyes I hate it when companies you know just call it red yeah yeah all the crazy names there yeah cuz I was doing the product page yesterday morning I was just like no I'm not calling you garnet red I'm just crying red right yeah get over it right not happening but whatever that that's samsung is notorious you know arctic white yeah for these crazy names see Harbin black oh well when I was out in irvine i win but um I trade in my bose qc15 s4 qc25 s and they had different color options now so I got the qc25 triple black oh wow they're really black really like shiny or something like it's everything the trim everything is black is that big of a deal but I was just like I just like having something this troop of black black because it's on the case triple black nice sounds fancy it sounds fancier exactly so now the interesting thing about the a9 is that it feels looking at the proud age you know that the specs like it's a mid-range phone but they're calling this a flagship yeah okay so that was one thing too that had to be clarified there's and actually it takes a lot of clarification in the United States it is a flagship phone and it will replace the one m9 as such in other markets like the UK it is a hero phone and will be sold alongside the one m9 but get this in the United States it costs 399 dollars with 32 gigs of storage and three gigs in braham in Europe it will ship with two gigs of ram and 16 gigs of storage and it costs more so that's it's very confusing I know I have I had heard the story on on how this happened off the record so I can't really talk about it but it's interesting but I think HTC made the right move in the united states where it has to go up against you know them it has two against these phones in other markets too but you know they're separate divisions of the company in the united states warehouse go up against the Moto X pure has to go up against folks who are looking at the 1+2 you know one plus one in some cases you know send phone to you all these other low-cost phones so i think that was smart bc has the brand name that can certainly ship units which we've seen one plus hasn't has a problem viewing and i think for that price you get a good phone one thing though and i need to play with it more as the moto x pure that also starts at 399 but as a quad HD display a larger display it's also water-resistant in some regards you can customize with all kinds of colors so that's going to be sort of the hard battle for me is like well this is a nice phone at 399 you get the fingerprint reader you get marshmallow right now but 399 a moto x pure has higher end specs got a better processor that's can be tough but one of the other things you said it's a mid-range phone so the way HTC looks at is yes snapdragon 617 is a mid-range processor it's not the 800 series but it's the newest processor it supports though it's unavailable now quick charge three point 0 and HTC looked at it like we could put you know 810 or something probably more expensive it was already in the m9 it didn't do very well as overeating issues or we could try the latest from Qualcomm that's available and so they did that and obviously I think it helps to keep costs because the Snapdragon 820 is not available yet neither are some of the other so well we've got a couple questions coming in specific to the a9 so I'm going to change things a little bit this week and we're going to jump into a couple questions real quickly from brazen Franco do you think HTC will manage to keep their 15 days update promise then they already make such a promise or was it Motorola it wasn't HTC the one saying that releasing every security update every month was unfeasible yeah okay so from what I understand is the promise was only made for the unlocked version so it she doesn't have the restraints that carriers put on the software updates which is the biggest problem which I think was one of the issues it ran into with its 90 day guarantee on software updates that frequently seemed to miss right especially for some carriers Verizon's notoriously really hard on updates that's why you saw phones like the droid turbo this year that didn't get lollipop until what like two months ago and now here we are with marshmallows so it takes a long time now the promise is again on the unlocked model I'm not sure if it's just the US or global the US president made that promise yesterday so it seems like it might be just the US but that wouldn't make sense given that there's a global skew as well so you have to consider there's that European version with two gigs and 16 gigs there's this version in the US there's also another version in Asia that has three gigs and 32 gigs of storage so there are so I don't know it's one but Motorola also has made those promises and wasn't HTC the one saying that releasing security update every month unfeasible yes that's true that it did say that but one of the reasons is unfeasible is because of the carrier Straits at least that's HTC's for you so in this regard if it's not sold through carriers you're not buying it on AT&T t-mobile or sprint which will also sell this phone then you should be good we got to play the full price makes sense um okay let's see here but I still agreeing 15 days is pretty big promise yeah one of those wait and see things from such humble all do you think HTC made the one a nine looks so similar to the iphone on purpose to help increase their sales no yeah i can tell you um actually i have on the record quotes if you guys will just bear with me for a second while he's looking that up i'll dance like a monkey for those of you go the reason that I I bring this up is because we talk to the designers and it looks like here you go it looks like that the phone sort of is the iphone but what we were told i should i get to bring it up one side was that the rounded corners and stuff like that the radiuses that help make it look like the iphone and when you look at the camera specifically the flash module is circular just like the iphone here and you can see the two side by side in case they said that these these concessions were made as the as the design process went on so like they couldn't fit I can't bring up the quotes but basically they couldn't fit the the longer elongated flash it sort of looks like i have a g4 here that looks like you know more of an oval shape they couldn't fit that on there the edges were ended up being rounded like the iphone because that's what they did is they continued you know molding the device I don't know about the bottom looks very similar issue she's really well known for their boomsound speakers and those aren't here anymore and they said they couldn't fit them but if you've seen other desire devices I'm holding us up the people on the screen they don't always have these huge boomsound speakers on the top and bottom they just have this tiny gap between the top of the phone and the bottom and the display where the speakers usually sit that's not here on this phone and so it's just on the bottom which looks very much like an iPhone so you know can I answer will it help increase sales well it seems too important for samsung but Samsung's doesn't look as close to the HTC One so I don't know well we'll see now my question how many phones are on your desk right now yeah lot well I'm in the process of reviewing this so I'm like okay well I want to see how identical a lot of these look especially from the bottom and stuff like that but no I don't the story I was told from HTC is that this isn't something they did on purpose now whether you want to believe that or not whether I want to believe that or not I don't know but I don't think HTC has always been praised for their hardware design so I don't think they were like oh people didn't like the way our other phone slopes we have to make it look like an iPhone because that doesn't make sense to me you know they're the shortcomings to their other phones were issues with you know the camera for example on the m9 the m7 didn't have expandable storage so like people were going to other phones for other reasons I thought but you know maybe someone secretly said let's build a my phone call I have no idea we're getting this goes back to a point that you brought up earlier uh from I'm i know i'm going to mispronounce this first name and I apologize cacique Shah well marshmallow allow you to utilize the external SD card exactly as the internal memory to install apps etc to it I'm gonna say yeah that's why I thought yeah that's what it is here i'll bring it up for people that can see you go into storage and USB so if you're looking at oh it's not going to come into focus so I have 12 gigs used on my phone's internal storage and then I have an SD card with fifty eight gigs available now if I click it samsung SD card I get an option to go into a settings get an option to format as internal when you top that says this requires the Samsung SD card now that's just the brand of the SD card Evelyn to be formatted to make it secure after formatting the Samsung SD card will only work in this device so that's what i was saying really deposit refunded formatting erases all data currently stored on the samsung SD card to avoid losing the data consider backing up all over so then it is used as local storage which is something that we haven't seen i enjoyed before marshmallow where you're installing tons of games and maybe you move some of the local files over your SD card but those games still eat up say the 16 gigs at 32 storage on your on your drive you kind of run out you can't move them over to micro SD card which might have plenty of space now that sort of alleviate so I think it's very cool but I haven't obviously turned it on you cool no I I think that's something that's needed to be done for a long time yeah from Justin streuben we touched on this a little bit he's asking how's the camera yeah so I looked at I brought up the camera specky tales last week when we first received a device and I just that one went to irvine for our unboxing so i just got this one for the review it has the same module as far as i could tell as the nexus 6 and the oneplus one I think certainly the oneplus one but Samsung HTC software tweaks seem to have improved and it doesn't look like shots taken with either of those phones so it's a sony module there's a toshiba one in the m9 that 20.7 megapixel camera that was not very good it seems to be pretty good so far it's not the best type you certainly I think you'd be better off with an S six or an iPhone or whatever but g4 but um you know those funds cost a lot more than 3 99 very cool I'm going to take one more a 9 question before you change topics and then we will get to the rest of the questions during the Q&A session and thank you all you are asking some great questions but this one made me chuckle from brazen Franco did you ask the desires why the HTC logo above the home button I didn't and I'm not sure there's people here you can see HTC sore right above the home button now the interesting thing about that home button though is it's the fingerprint reader but then there's also the on-screen buttons there you can see but if you if you say I'm in chrome or something like that if you tap just the fingerprint reader it still acts as a home button which is kind of neat but it's not physical it doesn't have any move to it interesting yeah well the scientific we wanted to touch on was trailer for some little movie that's coming out that yeah what I I don't know it's a looked interesting it caught my attention I'm not sure many people have seen the trailer yet yeah it's only had 28 million views uh you know and it only did 6.5 million dollars in imax sales on the first night which the old record was 1,000,000 prob apparently people are still into this whole Star Wars thing yeah who would have thought I don't know but so what we thought we would do folks is as people know from reading the site and listening to the show I'm a little bit of a star wars geek just a tiny bit todd has seen all the films but I've seen them all I like to my love growing up with them but I'm sort of like you know not a geek at all I don't know exact you don't know the backstory you enjoyed them as movies right and I enjoyed the video game right that we were just playing I'd like you didn't feed it into a lifestyle yes true except I'm still the guy who says that big walking thing like let's attack that instead of athe oh god no my friends I was plenty with my friends they play Todd turning red so now you know how separate we are on the topic I remember when my parents bought me the back in 1980-81 they bought me the the big 80 AD app you know toy yeah and my parents decide it was big enough to be called dog spot haha it's they told me that was our second dog but uh that's awesome so a force awakens trailer of course is what we're discussing it came out this week the the first thing I'm going to say is from the opening moment I was struck by just how visually gorgeous this movie is yeah I mean it looks unlike any other Star Wars movie hmm and as as my mother stood wow this almost looks like it was done by a professional of like Oh sick because buried yeah I think one of the things to I was super excited to see the dog fight going on and I was like oh man like i wanted to jump up in place I gotta see this movie so I thought that was there's a lot going on in that trailer is seeing an x-wing TIE fighter dogfight especially in an atmosphere is it looks like it happens on two separate plants so looks like I get multiple dogfights not to mention the TIE fighter Tie Fighters chasing the Falcon through the wreckage aku that was awesome yeah I'm everything about this movie just screams although I was surprised we didn't get the the emotional impact of the second trailer you know with Han and Chewie and Johann going we're home right right right yeah there was no hey folks I'm gonna admit it I choked up a little bit when that happened to the secretary there was no choke up moment for me this was much more about the new characters and a little bit of Han a little bit of layout right so but as a and let me be very clear folks I know more than i'm going to say because i don't want to spoil anyone and i've read far far too much of leaks so god i know you have a couple questions and what we'll just start from there yeah so one of my questions was it seemed to me like they weren't aware that Jedi's existed before and it I was asked you before the show sort of is this like when obi-wan comes back and talks to young Skywalker and it sort of brings him into into what Jedi's are the culture you know and that's the Internet I'm getting that asked that question more by people than any other question of why would they not know about the Jedi and the Sith right well the Jedi purge happened at the end of revenge of the sith which was 20 years prior to a new hope this is now 30 years after Return of the Jedi there's about three years in the original trilogy so you're looking at about fifty three years since the Jedi perfect the what is known is that the Emperor did ordered that anything related to the Jedi throughout the guy oxy was destroyed so there really is no evidence of the Jedi even owning a lightsaber was considered illegal so it's not totally out of reason to me that younger people would not have any clue who the Jedi were now the interesting thing is the mobile game that you played for a couple days with you Star Wars uprising there on one of the planets there is a hologram of an imperial officer this is post Return of the Jedi is when this game happens there's a post there's a planet where a hologram of an imperial officer is saying these rumors of the destruction of the Death Star and the death of the Emperor or hearsay and they're illegal to discuss and this game is considered canon so there is a chance so we know the first order is an offshoot of the Empire there's a chance that if you're within first order controlled space that this is illegal to even discuss Wow yeah so how much they'll go into that in the movie I don't know I think a lot of that though is hey we got a whole bunch of kids coming into the film that have no clue what's going on ah oh but it was very interesting to hear hon half to confirm that information yeah very yeah I'm super intrigued by that little plot point that I know you had another question about who the guy in black goes yeah who's the new bad guy so the new bad guy what we know about him so far as his name is kylo Ren right he not a sip that took everyone by surprise he is force sensitive he is in touch with the dark side of the force but he is not a Sith per se and for those that aren't aware Sith our Darth Vader was as if the Emperor was a sip kylo Ren is a member of a group called the Knights of Ren which I believe we see there's a shot of kylo Ren in the rain with some guys surrounding him I believe they're the Knights of Ren mmm what the Knights of Ren are we have no idea yet but so he aspires to be a separately and that's why he's got Darth Vader's melted funky helmet which a the helmet is really you know so Luke burned his father you know on the funeral pyre at the end of Return of the Jedi right he didn't clean it up no he left the Ewoks with a big pile of ashes and what I'm out of here haha one of the Ewok sold it on Star Wars ebay we're in the money yet nope yeah I just I'm a little puzzled by the helmet just being out there yeah I think I'll even explain that or we just goes accepted I think it's just gonna be a thing like a backstory 20 kylo Ren obtained Vader's helmet the comment though that kylo says to the helmet of I will finish what you started I feel you know must apply to purging the entire galaxy of Jedi right knows that Luke is still out there somewhere you know which and this is where I won't go into spoilers there's a reason we aren't seeing Luke in the trailer oh and that he's not on the poster he is in the movie I can confirm he is in the movie but I there's a I think there's a very specific reason why they're not showing them no I don't you didn't know the answer yeah he's not kylo Ren I've heard many people are you Oh is he kylo Ren oh he's not kylo Ren oh wow okay no none he but there's not going to be a remove the helmet and it's Luke under their moment moment okay yeah thank goodness no it's it's actually been made very clear that kylo Ren is being played by an actor named Adam driver who's best known for being on the series girls oh yeah there is one shot in the trailer where you see Kyla with his helmet off but it's from the back and it's very definitely Adam drivers hair how much are the old characters han Solo for example gonna have a role in this movie okay so hon I don't know yet where he's been or why he doesn't have the Falcon that that part of the spoilers have been kind of iffy he's in it significantly and he does as you can see in the trailer he does go on a quest with Rey and Finn leah is now leading the resistance which you've seen their the resistance based in the trailer you know why it's called the resistance as opposed to the rebellion I'm not positive apparently the the galaxy is very fragmented and so unlike under the Old Republic which was one rule or under the Empire which was run one rule it's kind of like fiefdom now okay galaxy because there was such a power vacuum after the death of the Emperor so yeah and there's I I won't say what the red flash is the red flash is important that wants you to the awesome scene of kylo Ren on the Star Destroyer bridge and you see that red flash that's important as for Finn holding the lightsaber that's the other question I'm getting a lot we there's somebody who is force-sensitive in the movie but it kind of bounces back and forth who it is so I'm not going to say a whole lot on that but a lot of it has to the movie has to do with getting Luke's original lightsaber which was Anakin's lightsaber which once again one of those weird things that fell down the shaft of Bespin Cloud City so all I can figure is a janitor named Bob picked it up at the bottom shaft he went on Star Wars eBay yeah and had an account like the Ewoks and sold it yeah the relics from the original trilogy showing up or kya got me going wait what what how's that possible that's actually pretty weird you should write these back stories and put them online for when people google them yah lightsaber I mean it fell down several miles and it looks like it's fine apparently lightsabers are tough and don't get scratches I can look pretty tough yeah but uh from Davis tap it's probably people getting said while waiting for the return of Jar Jar Binks nah shut up Jar Jar as far as I'm concerned is dead yes that's not canon but I'm assuming he's dead uh uh you know what's the backstory on Jar Jar Binks like who thought that was a good idea Lucas he thought kids needed a character to connect to really and the thing is this is what i love about Jar Jar is that people are so blinded by their hatred of charger that they don't realize that in the third film he essentially creates the Empire really he wants the motion in front of the Senate to give the Supreme Chancellor all these powers which makes the makes Palpatine the Emperor and if you sit there use if you connect the dots for two seconds you're like Jar Jar Binks just created the entire skirt the entire galaxy hahahaha that's pretty funny i'll have to go back and watch day it's really you have to think about for a few seconds but then you're just like that's really kind of funny that Lucas was like yeah y'all hate Jar Jar wait to see this I get really hate him okay you're really gonna hate him and realize oh he wasn't such a bad guy till now from such humble all will star wars the force awakens have lots of lens flares that JJ Abrams is known for so far I've only seen one lens flare so I a the thing is if you talk to JJ Abrams about it he didn't realize how many he was pretty good Star Trek totally watched it really yeah yeah even he after the first Star Trek film it was brought up and goes asli goes I didn't realize until I watched the completed film um at that point it was too late to take him out and so he is aware of his lens flare problem um dich he's peace he sought help uh I believe he went to lens flare rehab and so I'm ho it lends flares while they fit the star trek universe they really don't fit the star wars universe the star wars universe is much more gritty and grimy and dirty and all that so I don't think we're going to have the lens flare problem but uh okay so we'll jump it back into the questions here and thank you all for indulging my Star Wars fanaticism uh from jeff k have they mentioned any future details for the m10 know they had they won't even recognize that name or anything at this point so we don't know when that'll be the m9 came last year mobile world congress at the end of February's Marshall I forget what it was but that's probably time frame will see the next one if i had to guess yeah I i we haven't even started hearing rumors about the m10 yet yeah the thing is yesterday was their big global announcement for this so I mean you know all efforts all sites everything is behind a nine right now like yes somebody about the m10 alleline there's the door yeah we just put everything into this so yeah nothing went from brazen Franco what did you return this week Todd nothing that I know um yeah but I was I was so close yesterday to to buying the red version of this um I just don't know when it's gonna ship they said the V I know it's crazy and then you know Nexus 5x Moto X pure those are all sort of on my radar now but I don't know I finally played with the 6p yesterday for the first time new Nexus 6p I thought that was really nice too but that's a little more than i want to spend i mean i did i just bought the 6s plus so that's sort of that was my big purchase now anything else can yeah Oh phones yeah remember when all we cared about was if they made calls yeah and now I mean you know I was talking to another journalist yesterday to you about the success plus and how in our review we said like you know it's if you have a six or the six plus it's not worth the upgrade and you know this journalist agreed it doesn't add that much so I'm still kind of in that recurrent boat but I'm not gonna return it yeah you say that now well cuz i passed my six bucks from Jonas kamael how do you feel about HTC removing boomsound I'm bummed so actually it technically has boomsound and that's the feature that they do to amplify the microphone jack so when you put headphones in you get the upgraded audio I'm not an audio file I can rarely hear the differences in this kind of thing so I don't use them that much but it's the same upgrades that the s6 does we're very similar in any case upsampling boom sound so that's what boom sound is now on this phone the boomsound speakers are gone there's nothing and I think that's a bummer i really like having phones when possible that have front facing speakers just cuz it's nice when you're watching youtube video the audio is coming right at you this has the speaker on the bottom like the iphone yes 6 and stuff and it's actually pretty loud though so it's not bad it's just that the odd it's not coming at you it's not as engrossing as boomsound speakers have been that seems so odd they dropped that when they're so well known for it I know they said they look with the fingerprint reader and the front facing camera and the screen that we wanted you know we couldn't fit it I don't know if i buy that because like I said the the desire series has had that small R which works really well so from Brisbane Franco is it better is it a better value than the moto style um you know I haven't used a lot of the Moto X pure in the moto style especially the moto style because that's not available in United States so I don't know but I think so FAR's and this is you know less than 24 hours and if I this phone right now I think it's a good value for fans of HTC that want marshmallow on a fingerprint reader an expandable storage the moto phones look really nice and i think i'm talking to irvine about grabbing the Moto X pier for this review because it's so close in price to this but has higher specs I know that the style is not as high as seen in the pure but so it's one question I can't answer to say but I think they're both really good deals cool uh interesting from sahaja what's the point of the HTC a nine if I had to guess and that's a good question because especially as a flagship in the United States with the m9 should be you know they didn't come out with they didn't have the MA and then come out with an a if i had to guess it's because the m9 probably wasn't selling well and i think that's you know whether consumers worried about the snapdragon 810 I feel like most consumers don't know about that they'll probably do you know about the camera because they care about that if that was the issue then they probably wanted to have a phone that just quickly came out or placed that and that's my guess but i also think they're trying to drive direct sales to their website where you buy this unlocks Mona through 99 sort of the way Motorola's doing things and this is a price point that is attractive to do that versus say the m9 you can buy it unlocked at each you see but it's more than 600 bucks so this safety one or bucks from Jonas Khmer oh are you guys watching Star Wars rebels well I am I caught up on the season two premiere yet but yes I did watch season one and loved it I also loved Clone Wars it was great uh from Justin Struve does the 617 keep up yeah I was worried about that Snapdragon 670 as opposed to something like an 808 or an 8 10 so far so good I downloaded some games last night and I haven't played them yet today but multitasking everything has been really good it's fluid I did notice some stuttering at times but it was quick and I think it's because the phone was still setting up again I've had it for less than 24 hours so after a few days might human out of you I'll have the final opinion but so far I'm not seeing any huge difference between this and 600 700 our flagship which is pretty impressive 3d graphics I've heard reports that it struggles a bit in some of the high-end games like a new need for speed so I'll have to test that good uh from it starts with Aziz zahara I'm thinking HTC made a nine and called it hero foam because HGC can't do well at holiday season with boring m 9 a-9 will do better maybe save the company so they announced the m10 later a 9 is not for geeks I would agree I I think and that's something I think a lot of people have to remember look we make our living from talking about phones but we are still the minority in the world you know every time I go in a carrier store I see people that have no knowledge of the phones on the shelves well not a bit this at this price point could be a very attractive phone yeah I think so too it and yeah geeks well I think there's two sides to that story I don't know that it's necessarily not for use because right now you have geeks that are going to buy the nexus devices or this because these are the first marshmallow device is now a couple months is for geeks no it's not because there's going to be several marshmallows but yeah I think geeks mostly go for these high specs you know quad HD they want the best you know your Galaxy s6 edge+ galaxy s6 G for those kind of phones Nexus 6p um that said I think I think things are changing i think a lot of geeks in a lot of ways they're like you know as carriers aren't are moving away from to your contracts and if you don't want to pay this monthly fee you buy the out right device and now you either go out there and spend a grand or slightly less than that by the 128 gigabyte model or something like that or you're like I'm gonna go buy this for all our phones pretty good and whether you're spending that four dollars on the a9 or the Moto X pure you know I don't know but I think those are becoming that price point especially is becoming a more attractive point and even for geeks even for people just because simply you don't want to spend that much money on phones and you know geeks like myself I'm not a mutt I mean I do but I don't want to continue buying these several times a year you know or or maybe I am buying these several times a year in which case that's why the 400 ollar price point is more compelling and say you know one eight hundred dollar phone every year you can buy two of these and you're upgrading in some regards yeah that's very true that's I'm having long answers because these devices are very new for like when you're you come in for a review like we used to for most of my career eight years now in journalism you come in and you'd be like okay it's two hundred dollars on a new contract how do I rate this phone against other two hundred dollar phones on a contract but now you're looking at well this is 400 hours off contract but you could get two hundred dollars on contract on some carriers for this device or maybe you're going to spend a thousand dollars and you're going to get a lot of hardware and now you got to figure out like okay so what's this worth really and what should people buy and that's becoming a really tricky question answer which is why you're starting to see on our site we've gone to buy weight and don't buy for a lot of our phone reviews because you can't it's so much harder now to say like well this is a seven and this is a ten and why you know because the price points are just totally different and what can I want need or how they're buying their phone is so different well the other problem we were running into is people didn't understand that the scale worked in we were judging the phone against itself yeah judging the phone against itself in the promises made by the manufacturer exactly so just because you know this phone was a nine and we put this one at a ten doesn't necessarily mean that this phone was better than the nine in bed everything all the criteria so that's the hardest thing because you have phones like the brand new Moto G that costs you know 200 bucks and then you have the galaxy s6 that costs 800 bucks right and you're like well that's a really great phone for 800 bucks it's very high-end it's awesome then you're like the Moto G is incredible for 200 bucks would an awesome phone people would be proud to carry that and you can give them both the same score because they both meet those promises that their offer consumer but they're totally different devices like of course the galaxy s6 isn't better phone the Moto G but for for who and for how much and that's why this is all becoming these questions are harder yeah there's so many different verticals now phones that it's impossible to judge them against one another yeah yeah I know I quality it's never been like this at least in the United States now uh from Brisbane Franco are you playing Star Wars uprising Sean yes i am you can find me as nace sean backwards anula ani backwards and there is actually a detective yeah it's NASA NOAA is just Sean honey backwards dot nah slit ah yeah and Buffalo cartel so if you're looking for a cartel rising join us so you're still playing that I just kept playing dude I'm a star wars geek I should have come playing it was like one of it was i think i was playing on a saturday yeah ouch and i played for several hours this is in like how you felt on your cartel and then yeah you played a bunch for one day yeah uh okay we're going to go out here on a question from such a baja because it is october 21st 2015 off topic which Back to the Future movie is your favorite and why and what is your favorite moment from oh man i might oh so long that's my problem with that i I like one and two for a and say I don't hate three like a lot of people do I loved one and two for very different reasons one was a great story to was a mind bender and one of the few films I feel has ever gotten time-travel correct I guess not some time machine game pretty good job i've not watched i want to be there so stupid funny but uh picking between the two oh that's tough i would say probably too and i would say my favorite moment just because it's so bizarre is the delivery of the Western Union telegram at the exact moment the exact time at this exact place because doc had sent the Western Union telegram back in the 1880s yeah I thought that was so cool I yeah the fact that the the western union office had sat on this this telegram for 70 years it just cracked me up I don't know why but uh I don't know what mine would be I love all three movies yeah they're gonna have to watch them all again I still can't believe that we've actually reached this date yeah I know girls are in that post today about Syria I was like that's kind of crazy because there were so many times where it was just a hoax and online hoax like this is the date in fact I mean how many years did that happen it seemed like it haven't launched oh yeah yeah I know it did happen here no but i was referring to Pozos like you know they didn't have Siri back then but they had hoverboards it's like well which one we'd rather have obviously hoverboards but now we have like these Segway things yeah well riding not segways but like the skateboard you know they're leaning back and forward I thought I told you Sora when I was flying home from Aoife I saw Justin Bieber was on my tram in Detroit riding on one of these things just like back and forth us I look definitely waited that's just weird so bizarre yeah so close it'll I feel like we are in the future well folks we apologize we can't get to all the questions there are a ton of them and I always hate leaving questions on the table but we do we do have a time limit here unfortunately so as always we do 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