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and welcome to episode 68 at the techno Buffalo show I'm I've your to host heard today Sean ani editor-in-chief of the site and i'm joined by deputy managing editor Todd Hazelton hey everybody I didn't have my mic perfectly adjusted so excuse the squeaking hey how are you doing this week Todd I'm good good whoa okay that was interesting just as we started I see a message that Roku has just announced a new $25 streaming device it's at the SE I don't know I'm opening it up yeah the Roku SE Black Friday discount yeah $25 wow that's a bargain anyway well that was unplanned ah there's more and more not brought to you by Roku it's really not just well you know Roku reached out to me the other day why let's talk about the blackberry prib so yeah that that's gonna be where we're going to start this week is talking a little bit about the blackberry prib now as always let me put the disclaimer in that this is not our official review that is coming within the coming days yeah but Todd you've gotten to spend some time with the blackberry prib is it to save your blackberry needs that's the thing I I don't think we can go that far because i don't think anyone phones gonna save any company i think it's going to take a lot more than that but it's a really great phone so far I'm I've run into some issues so I'm holding it up for people that are just listening to audio I've run into some issues with software um but i'm working with blackberry on that some of the software has been early so you might have seen those that another reviews and some of the issues i run into you this is an 18 teen unit i actually bought it myself in an ATT store some of the issues I've run into have not been present on the review device that has newer software which is kind of weird because it's like well why do I this is the one shipping to consumers you know why doesn't it have latest but i assume may be going through AT&T but but the bugs aren't terrible what I've run into are some stalls here and there I can even show everybody want on a calendar when I go to switch default calendar crashes every time so it's it so you know I can replicate every single the screens washed out unfortunately so it crashes every single time and I'm going to talk to BlackBerry's support today actually try to get to the bottom of that keyboards really nice androids great on it yeah I don't want to spoil the review but it's I don't think you'll be upset if you buy now if you could hold it up again for a sec can you slide out the keyboard I really haven't seen anyone actually do have you brightness to you but um you're just pops up like that real nice engineer face and how is the keyboard keyboards great I've actually gotten used to typing on it already which is weird cuz I haven't really gotten used to that a long time you know aside from when we do our blackberry reviews so it's different I chat a lot with my friends and you know I've forced myself to use the keyboard instead of the digital one but the digital ones pretty good too the on-screen keyboard touch sensitive um what else I really like the back it's like the soft they call it like a glass we've it's just kind of grippy it feels almost like rubbery so soft touch back the speakers are pretty good nothing crazy but that's what runs along the whole bottom here so I'm showing that just shown right now and an expandable storage is also awesome if you listen to show you know I really like that so it has that so I put in 128 gig card in addition to 32 that comes preloaded on it yeah a lot a lot to like so far my only complaints are like I said it gets a little buggy the screen doesn't get as brightest I would prefer to you know I'm used to these galaxy s6 chief Ward and effluents and stuff so they get really bright and then that's pretty much you know it without giving away the whole thing I don't want you talk about the cameras little slow but might be about to well we have a question here from jeff k do you think the price justifies what you are getting with the probe we can get our hands on such awesome phones out there for cheaper yeah I mean it that's a heart really hard question answer it actually has been sort of very difficult now that we've talked about this too with our reviews as we dive in you know we're looking at phones that cost 500 bucks like the Nexus 6p that's a really great phone and then you're like well this is 700 you know seven hundred and forty bucks after taxes that's another two hundred forty bucks isn't worth it well no probably not but for folks who want a blackberry and I was talking to John about this yesterday and he brought this up Upton's really good point for folks who want a blackberry and i've wanted android on a blackberry you know all this time and i said i can't wait for that then this is the phone for you you should buy it they finally done it you know stick to your guns you've been asking for it and yeah it's a little expensive but I think it does a really good job of delivering Android and the blacker experience that people really like in terms of the keyboard folks who want blackberry 10 obviously probably don't want an android phone so I think in regards to that they didn't really they didn't skip you know any corners here I think they did the best job they could and I think it shows I think I'll end up recommending it in my review the only issue like I was saying is that there are some early bugs that I've seen on my unit I assume other AT&T users users are seeing some similar bugs but hopefully those are fixed well we've got a couple more questions here about the perp from Britain Franco is the battery removable it is not so the entire I can't even try to like take it off but the entire body you're like the back is one unit that can't be kind of opened up so you just work with the sim card expandable storage on the top that's supposed roofing off a back cover or something like that and from cam door does the slider seem like it will hold up for two years yeah it does it feels really sturdy like we used to see on the blackberry torch and stuff I don't know if you like me probably did this a lot clicking it back and forth it feels really really sturdy the only thing is that it kind of creeks a little bit when you're holding it or like this i can feel you know that it's not one solid unit and when i was talking to john about that yesterday we both agreed that you know it's probably what comes with the territory of having that slider if you have moving parts so it's a little creaky but feels pretty good and i think it'll go hold up cool I look forward to finally playing with one I have no burning desire to run out and buy one but i'll gladly play with one yeah yeah yeah i mean it the keyboards not for everybody that's the thing well then you know no it's not it's not don't go spend seven hundred forty bucks on it just because you'll just cuz of what it it like there are better phones out there if you don't care about a blackberry or keyboard but if you want a blackberry that runs android has a keyboard this is really good fun for that if that makes any sense no it makes total sense and that there aren't that many androids anymore with keyboards i mean there were a few that tried here or there but it never really seemed to take off but with the blackberry brand name that's a lot of what you're purchasing is the keyboard yeah exactly though well the other topic we wanted to touch on this week was t-mobile's uncarrier 10 announcement that was made yesterday at the LA shrine auditorium mm-hmm if I see one more person complain about the fact oh it's only for ATP I think it's a fair complaint though I I know is it's it's a and I agree the verge had a post on this I agree it's a very dangerous place to be going where you're talking about free content getting people on board with approved content that crosses your wires and limiting limiting the resolution of that content and I get it there are people are going to be like oh it's free it's awesome and I I see where you're coming from there's also a terribly scary thing out there where they're limiting the possibility of these providers Netflix YouTube well YouTube's not even included Netflix HBO Go all these other providers they're capable of sending 1080p 4k content through these signals and yet it's still being put down to 480p that's what scares me I don't care if it's free because me I buy a great phone with a great screen and I'm gonna pay for the data and I want the best content coming through it I don't want 480p and I wouldn't that's why this plan for me doesn't mean much well I here's the bizarre example of where I'm coming from I I'm currently a something I've always wanted to do because I remember it as a child and it's considered a classic and you know everyone sites I've been going back and watching all my all in the family from episode one oh nice I've finished five seasons now i'm watching them on DVD they're at 480p on a 70 inch 4k television and yeah it's not you know crystal clear but it's totally watchable hmm you know and that's just that's what it was shot at that's you know the transfers they have that's why I you know I'm fine with that if I'm just burning through a TV show I'm fine with 480p I just I I see what you're saying it there there are some questions about who's the gatekeeper to the content I give that that's what worries me yeah that part I totally get but at the same time and for instance Roku once again we're not sponsored by Roku there are hidden channels on roku they are they're pretty much break down into two categories or three categories I'd say either illegal content in the form of its rebroadcasting something that they're not allowed to rebroadcast pornography because Roku doesn't want pornography on the roku and number three being their video quality isn't up to Roku standards one of my favorite channels is NHK from Japan which is broadcast completely in English but their video quality is not the best of times hmm so should we be angry at roku for being a gatekeeper not allowing an HK onto the chain onto the device because it doesn't live up to their video qualities no because it's not a service provider it's a box that connects to the service so it connects to your internet connection that's offered up by Comcast or whoever the word I can see what you're saying there the point the thing that I worry about is this sets the precedent for people to say for tmobile to eventually say okay here's here's free binge on you know and you get these services but if you pet in this sets of precedence this is happening now but if you pay more two bucks more a month let's say you can get 1080p unlimited you pay a little bit more we'll give you 4k on the minute now that's where you're starting to get into a scary territory of saying pay more for better quality even though it's fully capable of serving that up to you right now models like here's the hypocritical thing that happened yesterday and I should write an editorial on it t-mobile is standing on stage saying we have the best network out there verizon AT&T get out of here who cares you know it's awesome don't worry about speeds and then they say here's unlimited video but 484 ATP as if they're not confident in their network to deliver that they can't deliver you 1080p and if they could why is it for 80 and then that's the scary part why is it limited a for those of you listening at home I am saying here contemplate in contemplation of what Todd is say so those of you watching the show can see I'm kind of got my head tilted back well like that's the other thing too is like it's scary because it's good for some customers but that doesn't make it the right thing to do right and I i I'm getting that I think where I'm coming from the the problem you have with a person such as myself as I am just a content consumption machine so the idea that I can kid watch whatever I want whenever I want for free is appealing that is the feeling but see here i am i'm on AT&T i have 60 gigs a month i can watch more video than I want to do in the highest resolution on any of my devices and I'm still not going to use up at 60 gigs just because that's that's how much video I watch and I have a hard time believing there's a large percentage of people out there that would consume that much data in fact I think the average smartphone user as of a year so it goes like three gigs a month so now you're tossing in 480p video but they say it takes up you know three times less data or something like that I mean this doesn't make any sense to me just just get a huge bucket of data on another carrier and get all the data you want and i'm not paying out the wazoo either i have four lines where each pay in 64 bucks so that's a comparable to t-mobile's prices I mean unless you look at their new 120 140 dollar whatever option for for well playing playing devil's advocate the the formerly three gig per month plan which is now six gigs is the first level at which been John kicks in right so for somebody who is on a budget say a student or you know somebody with a limited income however you want to view it this could give them the opportunity co they can't afford that bigger data Beckett hmm you know so I can Boyd that this is a stickier situation that I originally thought it's good for them but but if t-mobile's network is so good why are you giving them 480p video I can't you just give 1080 that's what my point is but at the same time it's kind of like saying a rester instance my father's a veteran I right before the show I emailed him a list of all the restaurants giving free food to veterans today and a lot of them are giving limited menus or a set menu he wouldn't be able to choose what he wanted well it why aren't you giving me your most expensive dish right I I think the problem is I don't see if I don't see truly nefarious motivation behind this move oh I don't think its various and so I don't feel like t-mobile Saturn going well just give them for ATP and then I want to pay us more I I dude closer to that in regards to business strategy than it is to yay we're the best out there and consumers love us and we love consumers they way they the way they'd have you believe it's not like that you mean llegara isn't completely sincere and everything he says on stage right well I think that needs to be said I don't I don't buy that you know for a minute um sure it's nice to have these streaming you know free plans but for him to go on stage and sake you know people like me saying I'm throwing away money because i'm not using all my data that doesn't make any sense at all of me what's then what's an unlimited subscriber you know who uses two gigs doing and then what happens when t-mobile yells at the people that are trying to consume two terabytes like there's a middle ground that's who I am mm-hmm so I don't know and I would never like I can't imagine paying t-mobile a monthly bill and then getting 480p video content all the time and then when I wanted 1080p I'd have to honestly go to their web portal or call them up and say hey give me the better stuff you can just to be fair you can also use the t mobile app or the app but that's crazy I would never I'd rather have the best stuff I can get all the time and then you know when i hit my cap then they switch on to 480 in the midst of it but here's the fun part of this whole argument i have unlimited data with t ball so it doesn't even impact me yeah i do like the idea that it also works on tethering because i do tether my ipad to my phone every so often the fact that they're doubling my tethering bucket and you know for unlimited customers we are getting a doubling of our tethering bucket and this won't count against the tethering bucket so that is somewhat appealing yeah I mean I think it's appealing I just think everybody needs to sit step back a little bit think about what's actually happening as opposed to cheering t-mobile because I I think it's slightly dangerous oh that's a good point I folks this is a good example of Ty and I do not preach Todd I have like a 30 second discussion what topics you wanted ok and that's the entire preamble to us getting ready for the show hmm but uh so it's it is interesting this is you've given me some definite things to think about Todd there there's a first time for everything such a baja Lasky would you use t-mobile's bed John I don't see why not it's there Todd does have a good point it samee annoying to have to go in and flip a switch you know I I do like the fact that Ben John automatically suspends if it detects Wi-Fi mm-hmm so you know if you're at home you're not going to have to worry about every time going into the app and flipping a switch yourself so I don't know it's a lot to think about it's uh I'm just gonna be so upset afraid if some form of this trickles over to AT&T where right now you know I have whatever I want I by 60 gigs of data a month it's not expensive I hope it doesn't mess with my stuff to do whatever you want I I hope it messes with you horribly but uh uh let's see here all we got a lot of questions that came in so let's dive into some of them here from aerial palette Nick what will be after fallout 4 Maya some shouldn't be fallout five yes I guess seated I I honestly Ariel I I don't mean to make fun of you i just i i don't quite understand the question i would assume fallout five now uh for Benjamin McDonald pure bang for buck 1 plus x vs 1 plus 1 remember NFC well at this point i would say the oneplus x yeah you know the one plus ones already a year old I I feel that the company has worked out some of the issues they had with the oneplus one because let's face it that phone was not perfect it was great fun but it was not perfect i say i don't think i would even consider the oneplus one at this stage yeah i don't think i would either and i know the oneplus X has older hardware in it too like Snapdragon you know one uh I'd probably go with that and I know you're saying remember at FC but well let's be honest I wouldn't go either one of them but i haven't used the oneplus X and for 250 it seems pretty compelling but and that's the reason i buy it is because i haven't used it that's probably the only reason here here's a hot button question from Jeff Jeff k I almost called you JFK sorry about that from Jeff k so now the 6p bending seems well legit should I return my device especially with the back screen supposedly spider webbing I'm really considering sending it back and waiting for the LG g5 because I'm probably an idiot no I don't think you're an idiot Jeff I think you're a conscientious you know consumer I have some real problems with this spider webbing issue kind of like a last week i believe it was last week you at night we're discussing the silliness of the bending but the spider webbing to me is a little suspicious yeah simply because it does not appear to be happening to any phone prior to it being in the consumers hands right i I've not seen any reports of it being spider webbed upon opening the pack opening the device I'm suspicious that being said mmm that's a tough question I think what you need to do is try to get insurance on the phone if you don't have it already and sync with the six BD I mean I again it's I haven't used it that much but I think it's been largely reported to be one of the best android phones out there we loved it in our review I mean I wouldn't worry about things that seem to be affecting a small percentage of users and can hopefully be fixed through a warranty of some sort I'm not saying I mean it's kind of unfortunate if you have like a device replacement then you got to play a hot box that's you know annoying for a brand new phone but I would if I would personally if I on the 6p just stick it out and then you notice when the g5 certainly coming in what it's going to feature and stuff like that I mean when you think about nexus devices to the nice thing is I mean Sean you just bought the Nexus 6 and that's still a great phone here the other year later and the successors already out so you know you're going to get some nice time with the 6p assuming it doesn't spiderweb ornate my partner now I'm really happy with the the sex i just bought very up everything um I don't know if it makes you feel any better I didn't buy the 6p but if I did I'd probably not have returned to my hell just kind of rare yeah Todd not return something that would be a miracle uh-uh from such an Baja what do each of you guys have in your cell phone plans well like I just said I'm well I have two lines with t-mobile I have my personal line which is on and then I have my work phone which is I think 10 gigs a month it's not that heavy aid so you know if I need to look something up on it while I call they won phon my personal phone it's more about the phone number i use it for almost all the data when i'm out and about since it's unlimited good yeah Todd what sir playing I've AT&T for two of my personal lines and then I have to family lines on it as well and again we share this bucket of data that the t-mobile loves to bash I have no problem with it I mean 60 gigs is a lot of data for four people yeah every time I hear someone say bucket of data I just immediately my head go bucket of chicken yeah it's kind of like a bucket of chicken it's just just not as tasty pieces of chicken um and I really like it so you know I see these things that's why I guess it's hard for me to because I'm like the outsider you know so like if somebody is on t-mobile and there you know and every month are kind of going over their data and all this stuff and like uh and they really have these overage problems that t-mobile you know says is affecting you millions of people out there then then this is great but you know I think my breakdown monthly for four lines is like 60 bucks a person and I have to I'm so mine's like 120 I've access to the hump of the 60 gigs and I don't have to worry about you know low bridges or anything like that and i use my phone's lot so i think there's two two sides to these stories you know i just wish we didn't have to have so many lines it's so much fun going through customs in England because they have this rule about every item has to be charged so that it can be turned on if they request it hmm you know so I'm staying there you know going through the security line I'm pulling out all these phones yeah like six people love me in the security line but oh good grief let's see here we got some other questions from jeff k how does tmobile tell which data is streaming videos what if i happen to stream it on the browser well first off the the video is currently limited to what was it 24 services yeah 24 services so those services have identifier Xin their files that will trigger you know the the been John sensors so if you're on YouTube yes it will be able to tell it's a video but it will also tell it's not one of those 24 providers so i also i have a feeling in most cases you know it's things like netflix vudu hulu those are running apps so that'll be super easy for them to be able to tell from Alex Walters can I make you some YouTube banners and Archer send them over as you can see my twitter name is right there on the screen at Sean piane so feel free to post them somewhere and send me link uh let's see here from brazen Franco isn't that what the internet Fastlane is all about how can they do that with the new FCC ruling yeah yeah that's that is a big question because they say they can do it because everybody is able to participate so they're not saying like oh MSG's that's true and they're not as they said yesterday which we're going on their word that the companies are not paying for access to Ben John right that's the difference between this and the fast lane because the fast lane was pay for that access so you know and while everyone chuckled at somebody getting up and asking about could porn companies join binge on that was a very legitimate question yeah it's like the top stream service exactly so if if Legare had set up there and said no we're not going to let porn that would have caused the problem so yeah by the fact that it's been John is open to any video provider that changes things quite a bit for the fast lane such what I think present you bring up a point that I was trying to make to is that a this opens up the fast lane possibility so that you know t-mobile could say hey pay two bucks and you get paid EPD element or if you think about it we already do have the fast lane right like that's the fast lane is the one that's consuming your data blockage and and the the slow lane is the one that gives you unlimited like sure it's not the speeds but it's the quality of the video like that's kind of the problem here is that it's being created in a very you know consumers love us we love consumers scary way and before we know I mean Carrie I'm just playing like we should be cautious cards here because I think things like this happen before we know it these fast lanes are going to be all over the place but they're not going to be the fastenings we thought they were they just exist through you know these kind of situations all right I see your caution card and I'm going to have my mana and play it's a free card hey I don't know it's our job to be critical so that's why I mean it didn't it in some uh from such Mahal how would you guys feel about Google making its own smartphone their own internals of everything and we've got an article I think it's already up about that um I think Google has a bad track record with making their own hardware like a really bad track record I would be very hesitant to jump on board with them only because of the track record it could be the greatest phone ever but how long are they going to support it you know I what sort of supportively going offer there's a lot of questions and you look back at Google glass which is it seems to me like Google gets really excited about something if it doesn't immediately take off they lose interest super fast hahaha yeah they're like oh that was just a test which i guess it was but yeah google seems to easily get bored yeah and so putting my my smartphone future in their hands would concern me I don't think it's necessary I mean you look at it and I can see where it would make sense right you have apple you have microsoft doing their Lumias now from Nokia's division and then you have you know Google whose partnering the way Microsoft used to kind of closely with Nokia before purchase that's vision and I think it makes sense in regards to like google selling its phone but how is that going to be so much different from the Nexus program I mean I guess it's a way for them to make money directly if they're not making like I don't know who makes money in these situations with the Nexus who is bought through and what the margins are but I think it seems to me to work better this way at least for consumers I don't know unless unless you know they're gonna really acquire a chip maker and do the same kind of thing that Apple's son with a 9 or they could do you know the microsoft way and just source chips from Qualcomm like Microsoft it with the Snapdragon 810 but sashan you're asking if they make the internals and everything which just seems like way too much work for for what like what what's the benefit versus what they're already doing now well speaking of Qualcomm we have a question from brazen Franco should I be concerned about my future purchase of the v10 now that Qualcomm announced Snapdragon 820 no no I actually really like the v10 I gotta do some coverage on that probably after the blackberry but it's a nice phone it's just a it feels to me like a better built g4 and the same problem happens with all technology it it's just like you know your car starts to lose value the second you drive it off the lot the second you purchase a phone or a tablet you're on the countdown clock to the next upgrade and you just have to finally at some point go this is where I'm pulling the trigger right like yeah exactly that's why um you know people people like to get angry and say like oh new iphone it's crap you can't do anything with it there is one thing about buying a new iphone you know there's not going to be another one for another year yeah like there's some redeeming quality to that versus I can feel exactly what you're saying brezin you're like oh like this is awesome phone but in two months there's gonna be another one and that's the problem I mean it's a problem in the sense for us as buyers it's actually really exciting and awesome in every other target but it is it's just like oh man I just bought that now this is out and you know it's a constant I just I thought of this just now I brought it up briefly before like whenever I go in a carrier store it always amazes me to hear the conversations excuse me I wonder if we should do like a undercover investigation one time where one of us just goes and sits in a carrier store for an entire day and what and just listen I starts get kicked out of course get the permission of the store I would love to hear exactly what consumers are actually discussing because yeah your brains that you bring up a very valid point about you know okay this the Snapdragon 820 has been announced how does that impact your your purchase but there are people that are going to walk into a carrier store and they'll buy the v10 the day before the v 11 comes out because they have no idea right right right right you know and I there there's a certain amount of I would love to be that person fly on the wall yeah just just by just walking go yeah that looks like a good phone yeah it's like buying a car probably yeah yeah I true story I've actually never bought a car yeah I mean I guess I haven't eat well i have used cars not new cars but no not even used cars i have never had anything but hammy dance like so i mean there are car owners out there that would be like oh man you have the snapdragon 800 in your car okay i'm sure and and the other thing with things like the snapdragon 820 any time a new chip comes out how long does it take the app developers to take full advantage of that nude ship yeah I think they were saying with like the iphones for example that it's like a year before it's like worth it for developers to actually take advantage of the chip because there aren't that many like out there in the wild i mean when you look at it for example we were just covered the ipad 2 as the most popular ipad still not the ipad air 2 with the ipad 2 what's up it's a question that I'll pull up next okay so like so that's my point is that you know you have these awesome processors out there but and actually you're just saying it's true it's like developers aren't really taking advantage always of these things because their user base isn't on that fastest processor so yes there are a couple of games and stuff that really pushed the limits but when you look at like I was just saying the most popular iPads the ipad 2 which is why over my head on that's why there's no I patty or three yeah and it shows that people aren't upgrading so i think it is like this year long thing we're like sure it's a snapdragon 820 but what can you really take advantage of and the immediate answer is you know things like quick charge three point out things like you know the support for i think it's up to twenty three megapixel camera it's faster LTE radios that kind of stuff you'll see immediately as phone makers ship the newest phones but you know in terms of what you're taking advantage in power usage of apps that takes a while yeah exactly uh here's the question that made me start laughing I'm sorry about that done from Jeff k why is todd's placed so nice but you like you're stuck in the back of a walk-in closet my place someday I will clean though that it what is behind the sheet folks for for new viewers of the show or some shelves and also an old back issue comic book rack from when i had my comic book store neither of them are pretty they're disorganized and so i just threw the sheet up there to cover them up so you didn't have to see the ugly shelving units someday I will sit down and clean all that up and remove the sheet so everyone can stop thinking that you know it's where I keep dead bodies a literally got a chest question a serious question what it what's in your crosshairs for black friday i see sales popping up left and right well i'm in an unusual situation in that i will be landing in manchester england at lucky yeah black friday but i gotta say when we did that we're in you and I were looking over that best buy black friday ad yesterday wow there's some good deals yeah i'm tempted by the chrome books and TV is just cuz i want this right here is the 32 inch TV it's just cibo on and i want another cheapo one of my desk as yes there's going to be a hundred-dollar chromebook but at best buy on black friday I i personally love Chromebooks I have a chromebox I have a couple Chromebooks I love them you know no I'm never going to do any heavy lifting with them but if I just need to jump on for half a second and do one thing they're on there I get it done and I'm done it's great it for a hundred bucks but that's crazy I did find it hilarious the best pie is breaking down the fifty-dollar it was on fire tablet 235 and now that was awesome $35 you said it's nice I I have it I I do have the fifty-dollar tablet I like it it's not I mean no it's no iPad it's no rio transformer or whatever it's just a nice little tablet you know if you just want to check your email or do a little web surfing in bed or you know whatever for 50 bucks it's a great little deal for 35 it's insane yeah I i I'd buy him and just toss them out like party gifts you going go into the club and make it rain yeah it's crazy 10 4 350 bucks which is like the starting price of an ipad mini I think an older or maybe you know what think about right now you can get six for the price of five over at amazon so it's two hundred and fifty dollars yeah so you can buy six of them through this deal for what is that that's two hundred and ten dollars that's crazy it's not I just like the idea of being in the club making it rain with tablet yeah anyway um no I I think there's gonna be a lot of great deals for black friday i found this really funny i just read an article yesterday as de which is a chain in the UK which is actually walmart just under a different name they can I brought the concept of black friday to England they had some problems last year with the black friday sales with you know people being stupid so this year you know there's all these companies announcing their black friday sales and as those gone nope we're done dealing with that headache nope as does out by friday game that so they infected the entire country with this concept they've dropped Alice it's crazy I me Jeff k one of the things we were you know there's like all these deals but every year we talk about like the the TV's look awesome but then they have like one each team I port right or like to what you two is fine you know for me I could deal with 21 not so much and then like they're missing features insta board there's like three in stock so if there's stock that's what I'm going after but there's not that yeah and that's the problem so many of these times you know they're like you know a redound the fine print limited plenty of two per store location yeah remember when Amazon had that sale we were all like ready to go on something they're gonna fry egg yeah Prime day and it was clear there were like ten units yeah oh I don't it was not for the internet know and the thing it was I had some knowledge of items that were coming up and I checked on one item and in the morning you know how amazon has the thing like 08 left in stock yeah I checked one item it was like you know six left in stock and like an hour before it was supposed to start it the message disappeared oh wow I was like ah ah so there really was no stock so that's the problem with these hills too yeah exactly um oh boy the the time has flown by today yeah let's get another one more question and then we'll then we'll that will do two more questions because I want to get to this one on a personal level from such Mahal off topic did Amy guys watch mystery science theater 3000 what do you think of the Kickstarter are you going to back it I was a huge mystery science theater 3000 fan I actually the last vacation I took before i joined TechnoBuffalo was in 1996 and that was to go up to minneapolis on Labor Day weekend for the commish econo Rama two electric boogaloo which was the MST convention and because I had a press pass i actually got to to tour the sets and stand up on the satellite of love and awesome huge fan of the show yes I back the Kickstarter not going to say how much but no wasn't it I wasn't the 10,000 or 15,000 dollar guy and I did back the Kickstarter let's see here we'll take one more and then we'll get I here for the day 22 uh-huh we have to end on this one from Brisbane Franco once you return this week Todd and we're on cute well real quick i'll say we're done schottky John Q John Q is working i canna customer died oh that's where he works now and he's designed he does a lot of stuff arm-based designed this really cute little pigeon mascot they had I saw that on Twitter yeah yeah I named Amy who he's putting on or page or something there yeah he puts a memory to see anyone yeah oh he's learning animation now so now he's got a man walking places that's what I stuff anyway John Q is good I still talk with John Q great guy we love them mm-hmm what your turn this week Todd uh well Preston I don't know if you were here last week when i returned the apple TV cuz I didn't have the question I didn't return anything yet however one blackberry is going back we ordered we have a review unit we ordered one direct from blackberry and then I went 18t bought one because we needed sooner than the one that shipping and still hasn't shipped so one of them will go back that's the one that's going uh all right well anyway sorry we did not get to everyone's questions I'm going to take one more because that this guy it looks like he is desperate for information here from June kit does iOS updates for the older phones really help or or are the updates just for show because even the IP 4s iPhone for us is getting the latest update unlike the Samsung i'm using forgotten after two years and i doubt my gs4 is getting Android M hmm that's a good question so uh sometimes the iOS updates actually slow things down but they do yeah any features it but not all the new features and so on it's nice that Apple you know doesn't forget about devices as quickly as other manufacturers and I think that's I share the frustrations with Android devices you know not getting updates as quickly as others yeah I I said I totally agree Theon that it's amazing how fast some of the Android manufacturers forget their phones yeah that's the thing that that's troubling and I liked it out of those into that but on the other hand you know just because you get the update doesn't make everything better alright folks well that is going to bring this week's episode to a close again we will be here next week the week after that's questionable and the week after that I'm we're definitely gone but we'll we'll keep you abreast of the situation as always we do appreciate you joining us you can find us on the itunes store by searching for the TechnoBuffalo show we do appreciate if you rain reviews that does help out the show you can also find us on pocket casts you can subscribe via RSS feed or you can find us on the stitcher app which means you can listen to us anytime anywhere until next time I'm Sean ani I'm the editor-in-chief of techna Buffalo I've been joined by deputy managing editor Todd Hazleton by everybody and we'll see all here next week till then take it easy bye-bye