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hello I'm gonna start making the verges live a gadget show I'm your lab patel I'm the editor of The Verge it's Paul Miller we're here again it's happening to you one more time I'm is here you actually have a huge show today we've got a bunch of crazy Android phones from China all the flagships including me mix - what you can't buy here straight and check that out we've got a great ass circuit breaker about the future of Google real interesting the last segment of the show I'm super excited about or bring her back emotional tech support yeah so we're we probably can't help you with your tech problems but Ashley's gonna be here and you can call us for that number up it's one eight four four four emotion and we'll just be there with you commiserate with you I think mostly yeah so start calling that's the last segment of the show we're gonna get to it for a little bit but call one eight four four four motion will do it emotional export but we're gonna start with hime and Android P you've got it loaded this is what a first gen pixel is the first gen pixel we have the first early Developer Preview which launched last week it's loaded on here it's a very early preview if you're not a developer and you don't have like a spare device installed on don't don't install this on your main phone one well there's nothing cool enough on here that's worth the hassle and - it's really unstable I just like that there's a notch on this phone right now so yeah that is one of the big things you can do is is simulate a knotch no longer no longer do you have to use an Android device or like a piece of black tape yes so at MWC which was couple weeks ago we saw a whole bunch of new phones I think Vlad wrote Oracle for us bad iPhone nachos are happening - good Android phones because the software so far it's not ready for notches so there was nothing Apple with the notch the hoard remain defied the hardware manufacturers are having Apple but Android is just like a mess because of these Android P is going to make Android ready for the notch so you can actually see if you if you add the notch or take it away it'll actually change how big this this bar is on top Android will be able to dynamically adjust itself for not Chiz there's some other UI stuff the clock is moved over to the top left from the top right where it used to be it handles notifications differently instead of getting this nice you know string of icons going across it'll only display for right but yeah notches will work better so the whole point of this is not that Android well automatically because you can see it's just a sophomore yeah this is this is a source for developers we're gonna build for Android P mm-hmm so they can simulate a notch to see how their apps are gonna exactly okay because right now the only things that run the Android preview are pixels and pixels don't have notches and if you want to test Android P on a hardware device with a notch you need to do this it's horrible yeah the other new thing is you can change the look of that not yeah you can see it's red phones have all kinds of a s--t on you know I want to get ten minutes of solid sim not simulation Bob simulation because we do a live show this is why this is a live show right yeah you can actually not only choose in developer oh yeah this isn't developer options this right now dad is just trying to guess what the P is gonna stand for my money is on unpossible personally absolutely look at this look at these actual different yeah options you guys you know this is like your essential phone there's mirror display cutout Paul display cutout wide display cut up that's what they're calling yes like you're building an app gonna look like an essential phone yeah just like ruin your own phone a little bit yeah yes you want to make sure that you're avoiding putting you know any crucial UI stuff up there yeah we have a peppermint guess here peppermints not bad yeah there are a lot more options with P than with it Oh like when we were doing the Oh guessing or just scraping the bottom of the barrel it's like Google's either paying Oreo or or nothin peas for possibilities so we also have some hints of what might be some new UI so if you look closely the dock the dock actually looks a little different there's some rounded corners over here the color is a little different to make it send out more the notification menu is very different that's very Apple it's very Apple so is this this you want to see is these very Apple rounded notification Wow and then you can kind of tap on them exactly and this is very similar that's why look I'm all in favor of that like that pull down the quick reply is a great idea on the iPhone yeah is this is this the pixel version of Android that we're looking at or like the stock Android because the sixel version is has diverged from what I think of a stock into it so we don't we also don't know because the only devices that people review can run on our pixels so it could just be that this where the pixel one looks like it could be that none of this is coming to any other versions it could just be that this is early stuff in Google hasn't decided it could be that there's a massive white rounded bubble overhaul of you know Android P and Google isn't ready to show that off yet yeah and there's a bunch of security stuff on so the biggest thing on the security side is that Google's revoking the ability of apps that are no longer maps that are idle so have access to the Mike in camera which is basically if you're someone who believes that Facebook is secretly listening to you and spying on all your conversations go back and forth of it lately ah yes so this should hopefully squish that rumor once and for all and then you buy a Google mini and that's right all right so that's and repeat super-early of android pee yeah you can like hime said you can get it right now and put it on a pixel if you have one but you shouldn't don't you on the primary there's a long list of changes there like API changes so they have something that a developer can call from Google's software to enhance their apps yes they're absolute when they launch P there's a bunch of you know yeah for all the phones that will run Android P when it launches oh yeah real P theme show P theme chef tomorrow is pi day tomorrow is routine so in honor of that we have a Raspberry Pi so and I will say this to the audience they won't tell me what's about to happen I was made to leave the room during rehearsal I was not shown the rundown I don't know what time is about to do and I'm very excited so we have here I can't talk enough so we're like we won't we I basically want people to understand what is so cool about the Raspberry Pi and I think it can be a little intimidating for people because they see exposed circuitry and like well that's not for me but it's a $35 Linux computer that you can do cool hardware projects so we're like what's a cool hardware project we sit right next to Ashley Carmen who has a wonderful podcast called why'd you push that button so we made a why'd you push that button button okay what is it does it entice you to push the button well yeah well you're about to see all right all right basically if everything goes according to plan you will push this button and you will hear the word why everything sounds good according to play do you learn a lot about the Raspberry Pi in the probably it will light on fire and kill us all yes that's it so let's just walk through what we have here first of all Raspberry Pi Linux computer everything's just kind of running off this tiny micro SD card it's the whole operating system so when you buy a pie it's like $35 or like you get a kit for a little bit more so you can get a case and stuff and it will come typically with an SD card that has Linux pre-installed so you all you do is you literally plug it into USB power boots on ice and keyboard plug in HDMI plug in mouse and keyboard you have a completely working Wow so this is the generation shoe but for the purpose of what we're doing yeah that's one beauty of this is that for the purposes it can handle really low low power tasks really well so if you're just looking for like a computer to live in a hardware project it's great for that yeah so like some of the DIY circuit breaker stuff that we've done like when we bought the smart mirror or the photobooth those are all living off a Raspberry Pi because it's a great cheap way to get it's a computer yeah that can run you know advance code without necessarily needing to you know spend hundreds of dollars on building a small Windows computer and if you want a really simple computer there's the PI zero this is what I built my wearable computer out of PI zero is a slower processor like smaller and or plugs but it's a very similar concept but what makes the pie different than your average computer is these pins which I will be honest with you I've found very intimidating and never really did anything with until I'm taught me about those can you explain these pins these are the GPIO pins so these are input and output pins that you can use to easily hook up different hardware devices to a PI and combined with the fact that the PI runs open-source software makes it very easy to quickly add new hardware PI and new hardware accessories and configure software to do stuff with them so like when we built our own DIY Amazon echo we plugged in a mic and light relay that was able to just add you know super good beamforming microphones to the PI and the light ring for the you know Alexa part so today we're actually gonna plug in this giant red button so there's two parts of this button so these two pins on the side are for the LED that'll make it light up and then the these are for input outputs so we're gonna hook up this over here to this is gonna go to power if you're doing this at home you'll note that we just have a bunch of exposed wires here sure you don't do that you've crossed two of the Y if you're doing this at home you should get proper clips they make them that live so that when we do kill herself so we're plugging in 2 actually we're plugging in this one's going to power and then this other this blue wire is going to grounds to complete the circuit at one simple way to think of it as the pike is wired up so that you can like tell the PI hey complete this circuit between these two bands okay or the PI could be like hey tell me if this circuit is completed between these two pins I am just making a face alright should have turned on it didn't so I'm actually going to duck under here and consult my hand we could show this we don't have to be secretive okay so this is this is the pin this is the diagram so this shows what all the pins do there's obviously a lot of things here what are you looking for right now I'm just making sure that this is hooked up so this should be hooked up to power and it's not because it's souped up the ground move everything over administering rehearsal to and I promised I was not gonna make that mistake why there's like the bomb there's a lot of fun tiny computers and you know what you're doing there I write all right so you can see yeah this is so we found this pie in Paul's desk it is a little broken that sounds like something if you nudge the power cable it immediately reboots most raspberry PI's don't do that but ours ours is special like this is like maximum pressure situation all right so now we're gonna show is for it's basically Mission Impossible II up high right now again that we just get just the amount of explosion talk it's just sort of lightly weaving its way through this segment one thing I like and our button is wired up okay so Paul what happens on the pilot so if you can see everything you just reboot it i reboot it again but now it's going to touch it all right so Paul although Steve did you have to write code if you look over here you can see the PI is booting Linux yeah it boots pretty fast that's another thing you know right so memory so here's the important thing about the PI why the PI is so special it is so popular that everything that you want to do or almost everything you want to do has already been written for you yeah so we basically copy and paste it all some code and we have to work right now so let's pull up the other nice thing is if you ever used python python is so so difficult to install on a machine and it comes pre-installed on both pi Python 2 and 3 come pre-installed so here's our I'll explain push the button okay all I do know okay GPIO right those are these pins then we we wired the button into right and then this is a sound mixer that we just imported pygame so that we set up the pan we're gonna use pin for mm-hm and then there's some weird stuff with power that I don't understand so I just copied and pasted it then we take all our sound files out of a folder and then we wrote this little function or it just randomly chooses the sound files and plays it and then we have this thing called add event detect so we detect if this this pin is falling and then we just run a loop and then every time we detect this event we play the scent mm-hmm so we see it calls back to the plate function so it's called to find a function and then wended detects the buns been pressed to place it I there we go hi I'm Luis and the chat says that that's the worst cable joint I've ever seen he has not seen so my other cable joints we have a special present for you now we're gonna upgrade the button yeah I mean now what happens well we're not gonna plug in a flash drive and we're gonna copy a file off is great so let's just change the code a little bit now it's just gonna search the desktop for any okay no you didn't do this for me people get a vibe for it I think it can be really scary but there's a ton of resources online fine has done a bunch of projects I've done some project we have tutorials on the site it's a fun it's a fun life you can make a airhorn button or a Y button yeah I mean I will say that we talked so much about finished products in the show and absent services actually getting in and making your own really helps you understand what's going on yeah and this stuff is cheap and fun and we do seven every week lately called a circuit breaker where you ask us a question I'm Ashley and Jake answer that question so let's take it away Jake last week we had a really great question come in while we were doing the phonecall segment but we didn't have time to get to it it's a really big question with a lot to unpack so we're gonna do it now the question comes from Jackson and it's basically about Google's giant Android ecosystem and the question is with Google moving toward more closed systems like Android go and Chromebooks that run Android apps do we think that Google will eventually phase out Android in favor of something that works better or is Android just too big now if you put back in Pandora's box there's a really interesting question and the place to start is what exactly it means that Google is partly clipped what what is happening neither I thought you're in Austin I'm back this is important we're talking about something replacing Android you have to start with Samsung all things Android start with Samsung Samsung is not following the system they're supposed to update Android they never release updates Google releases a new version of a dessert and then gets put on the processor and then the phone maker they don't do it so Google created this thing follow the thread it created treble and treble is designed to put all of Samsung in this little box right here so let it think whatever Google wants update it they can but really if you're talking about Android updates don't look at the big updates don't look at this follow a thread back to here Google Play Google Play is where all the really important stuff happens in Android that's where Chrome gets updated it's for apps get updated individually it all just happens on its own and so really you shouldn't be worried about do you have Android piece you should be worried you have Google Play apps version 72 or whatever but meanwhile they know this is happening but they also know that in order to make this work they have to have more phones to support it so they have released Android Go which is the latest version of Android 1 everyone still exists but anyway it goes another way the other manufacturers like Nokia can make Android phone so that's really big in India but it's not so big in China because China doesn't use Google Play and so there's other things that are going on here to paint touches remember this follow thread there's also Chrome OS what's Chrome OS it runs Google Chrome but it also runs Android apps through the Google Play Store so this is going on but we follow thread and there's something else happening what is this this is fuchsia fuchsia is a next-generation operating system that Google is developing nobody knows what it is nobody knows what it does but as Paul reminds me all the time fuchsia runs on a microkernel and as you know when kernels get hot they pop like popcorn and if you put caramel on popcorn it's basically a dessert which means that Google could use treble to make Android pee call it popcorn and then if you just follow what's happening here Google will have Android it will have Chrome OS it'll have fuchsia and all three of them will Duke it out and if you want to know if Android is eventually gonna get replaced you just have to watch this fight simple that answer your question Jake did you make this oh no I just have this around all the time I just had my board I was working on it and I heard the question so I came on well thanks thanks everybody that was a circuit breaker if you have questions for us leave them in the chat and then one of our employees will attack you thanks Peter all right Dan speaking of China yes I love this so much and I'm so big can I tell you a very honest story whole thing last night dieter and I were walking to the bar and you just did that for real that was just what we talked about all right speaking of China yeah I've got a bunch of Chinese Android phones here from user vendors there's some drama happening with this Huawei one in particular this is the me mix - you can't get it here so what's in front of me are three high-end premium phones that are made by companies in China two of these you can buy in the US this is the 1 + 5 t and the Huawei make 10 Pro and then this is the Xiaomi me mix - which you can't buy in the US but you can get in a couple other markets across the world now Jimmy says that they are coming to the US by the end of 2019 but they basically said they've been coming to the US for the past five years so who knows what they'll happen but that's where it stands today and what's interesting about these is you kind of get like three different looks at how Chinese manufacturers are approaching software in terms of hardware they're all super high-end they're all like top-of-the-line processors high-resolution screens nice well-built designs and everything and I think they all look like six gigs of RAM or something and they're all running Android 8.0 underneath all of this the 1 + 5 T is going to be the most familiar to those of us in the US that might have been using a pixel or a Nexus phone that looks really familiar it's kind of like what we call stock Android for lack of a better word in what way is it not stock there are some customizations they've got like a separate launcher thing here there I don't know if it's enabled right now but the off screen has a different display mode they've got some software in there for their camera and things that aren't like Google specific but if you're looking for like the look and feel of what you get in a pixel you're pretty close to it with the well this is 500 bucks yeah there you go and you went and visited you were you went to China you guys I did yeah so their base intrusion oneplus is actually owned by a larger company called PB k that also owns Oppo and vivo a couple other brands that are primarily in Asia but this is what they do and they focus on one phone a year this is the five T is their latest phone actually very good device we reviewed it a few months ago and really liked it it's very popular among enthusiasts a couple of issues with the company in terms of like security and privacy and in terms of like hardware yeah it's pretty solid and then this is the huawei mate 10 Pro this is kind of like the conversation piece around you can buy it in the US you have to order it unlock you can get from like Amazon Best Buy and Huawei directly but there's no carrier that sells it which is kind of like a big deal yeah why do they desaturate their buttons I think this is just a theme that those buttons have that kind of color there there's a couple of different themes so you're getting a look at the software here and it's a little bit of a mess it's kind of like a now I can't find the themes it's kind of like a mixture of iOS and Android with like all of the bad parts each one it's it's kind of kind of gross in my opinion but you can definitely see where they're pit there there yeah a lot of this and so like by default right now this is configured to have an app launcher tray but like by default there's no app tray it's just like iOS with all your apps on the home screen but you can change like the color of the icons and things like that I think that's just the theme on this particular one to answer your question Paul but this does have like you know full Google software and Play Store and everything like that a TT was originally going to eat carrying this but that deal fell apart at the last minute thanks to right so this is the conversation like we were at CES this year we were expecting Huawei to put out this phone on a major US carrier yeah and then it went away and while we CEO got on stage and base like you yelled at everybody like a very emotional raw moment he said the rest of the world trusts us one day you will baby the phone icon is desaturated because Scott old AT&T from carrying this phone yeah while we put it out here unlocks anyway but now the government is also telling consumers not to buy it yeah there's a the heads of FBI and the CIA and other agencies that basically said consumers shouldn't buy huawei products and really like I don't think they're really concerned about this phone in particular they're concerned about Huawei's bigger business which is network infrastructure and so they don't want the phone to be a gateway for Huawei to sell its network infrastructure to ATT for when 5g networks roll out Huawei has a ton of 5g technologies planned its provides a lot of network infrastructure across the world outside of the US and the US government does not want that to come into the u.s. for fear of providing backdoors to the Chinese government because they allege that Huawei has a lot of ties to the Chinese government based on really I mean this phone is kind of like the casualty of it all but there's a bigger piece behind that in that about the network infrastructure that the government is going after tell me about these so this is a like a branded dual camera system and so unlike say what we see on the iPhone 10 or galaxy s 9 plus these are not a wide angle and a telephoto lens it's actually a color camera and a black-and-white camera and so it will take the data from both captures combine them together to allegedly provide more detail and sharper image quality these qualities very good out of this it's not quite as good as what you get from a pixel or Samsung can you just take straight back on my photos you can't is that actually like the cameras are just a branding yeah it's a brand evil I mean like it will they'll say that like like it helps develop it jazz but you know like Oh makes all of its cameras in Germany this is not made in Germany so I think that's you found one of their customizations which is like a unique lock screen that gives you shortcuts No so let's let's hit the lock screen and then if you drag up from the bottom you get shortcuts for your calculator or flashlight so this is like stuck with the whole update problem right how often is this get updated so this is running android 8.0 right now Wally doesn't really do a great job of updating to the newer versions and right they'll launch their device on a certain version and then maybe it'll get updated probably not at least that's been our experience or the ones available so what is this very beautiful so this is by far one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen yeah this is a really interesting device and some me mix to the original me mix from wallet Xiaomi was one of the first so did this like all edge to edge design this one is the second version of it so they kind of like changed a little bit they've tone it down a little bit but it's it's made out of ceramic this is actually not glass it's ceramic which is pretty wild and this is kind of like a look at a software that U is very popular in in Asian markets whereas it is basically nothing like the Android that we're used to from Google and basically looks like iOS this is about like as close to yeah iOS is you're gonna as you're gonna get if you even look at like the the multitasking window is like very iOS like and so you can tell very tell where their their inspiration is this version does run the Play Store it's like I think they sell this in India with the Play Store in Singapore outside of China China does not have a place to but you can't buy this in the USA so here's the problem with this phone this is I mean it's just a beautiful house this is Cameron the front camera if you can see this is down here yeah it's no not you see so we just made the worst trade-off ever is that this is LCD right I believe it's an LCD it might be an amyloid but I believe this model isn't LCD so you've got your driver component saying yeah but when you you can see the Sun Paul cam you can flip this around this is not not so it's not super flat your thumb is about to get it's just gonna happen so what you're supposed to do this is true you're supposed to yeah problem-solve I don't know what you're complaining about like that's the literally the one thing so like that's it that's a discussion of like you know dealing with the notch right like they could have put it up here and there's Reuben rumors of the next version of this phone where they put to a corner not that we've seen some images out of China base that we don't know if that's gonna happen or not like the camera is up here in the corner and it's like a little cutout by the way this is pretty cool yeah thanks buddy all right so this one is I was here popular people white a lot yeah someone actually in the chat right here Marinko brought up on obviously the government is blocking Huawei from doing this yesterday the government Donald Trump himself put out an executive order preventing Broadcom which is Auto Chinese companies Singaporean company but forensic Broadcom from buying Qualcomm which the US company Broadcom is in I respond to this by the way by Reed domicile Ling to us and becoming a US company see if the saga continues there's like oh there's a lot going on here in terms of particularly Asian company yeah coming to the US so with the one coming does not in this conversation right here is ZTE which is one of the larger companies oh not quite as big as Huawei but getting up to that scale and they provide infrastructure and things like that and ZTE has had the same type of like government complaints against it but that hasn't stopped it from building a business in the US which is very interesting to me ZTE sells a lot of mid-range low-end phones that are branded by t-mobile branded by et they're all sold by the carriers they don't really have a high it many high-end offerings but Huawei hasn't been able to get any of that which has been kind of fascinating to me yeah I mean I think that I just think people care about those my range phones right those are the classic carrier branding deal where you go and you get some OEMs make you a phone yep I don't think there's a lot of cover interest here a big high-end splashy we're gonna market this phone yep I think that's that's a little bit different I still don't understand it I don't understand it I mean I'm trying to understand it what don't you understand I don't know what specifically wall again point of CTE has all the same ties to the Chinese government that Huawei has what specific evils has Huawei done that we're specifically averting I feel like so it might be a little a little naive to like ask the government for proof but like they haven't really come for it's it's it's all the agencies have said they allege these things they suspect these things but there's been no proof provided to the public I don't I mean like personally for me I'm not taking the what the government says is the whether I would use the Huawei phone or not I'm like looking at it from a very consumer perspective of I wouldn't use this phone because of software's miserable what you should buy a phone because the software is bad why does not have the Play Store this is like a very long and complicated yeah go ahead well so basically Google doesn't exist in China because all the companies that do exist in China have agreed to give the Chinese government access to their data and Google doesn't that has not agreed to that so Google doesn't exist in China their Facebook lays doors yeah there's a number of American companies that don't exist in China so therefore Google's Play Store does not exist in China either so what's interesting about that is you know company does exist in China is Apple and Apple just agreed to move its iCloud data centers in China for Chinese customers to control of a Chinese company so Apple now contracts out iCloud from a Chinese company to service Chinese users so moving to China because you there are a lot of governmental restrictions on what you can do and a lot of speakers just like we're done so it's interesting the Chinese governor's playing the same game yeah with American Japanese by requiring access today yeah the American government's not firing back but I don't does that turn on whether you should buy a huawei phone like the the CEOs argument CS and you should go watch this video we wrote a long article about it and it's on the verge calm his argument is like we're doing this in Africa we're doing business in Europe we're doing business in at least all of these other countries trust us and were able to work with them I do think it's interesting that we have so much more hardware whether or not it's designed in China is built in China yep and a lot of the engineering progress is happening in China yeah this is this total separation when it comes to software I blame you blamed free idea for governments don't spy on your citizens and don't censor them beautiful man John in a chat is asking is this Huawei's kiran processor yes so this is using the wall way I believe it's secure 970 processor and then they like to market this coprocessor that's with it for doing AI processing but they all kind of like have these kind of coprocessors these two are running Qualcomm Snapdragon 830 5s this one is just real beautiful I'm so taking this alright last question would you actually get one of these if you live in the states over a pixel or an s nyan air I think there's a really compelling argument for the 1 + 5 t in that it's only 500 bucks a pixel to excel which is roughly the same size screen and everything is running 850 I believe last I checked s9 + is in that neighborhood as well so you do save a ton of money by going with the 1 plus the thing that you're going to give up is support and local like if you drop and break the screen on this one plus is basic shinjin there's no there's no local place to go to get that might be a concern and then like I mentioned earlier Bourne plus has had some issues they late last year they had a security breach on their website where a bunch of I believe 40,000 customers credit card info was stolen so they had to like shut that down and switch to PayPal's they they're like are not without issue which makes maybe gives you a reason to think twice but I think the main reason someone would go with a1 + over a pixel or over any other phone is going to be its cost what's the reason that's a good question you know the the I believe the company's line is that they want to provide the best experience they can and they're trying to figure out the US market and how to how to enter it and everything it could be you know there's been speculation for years that it's patent and IP issues given how similar it looks to maybe Apple products was the original zombie-like originally made a splash by just completely yeah yeah so they diverge obviously you know they've got their own idea now and like they're doing their own thing but the software is still very similar packaging is very similar there's a lot of like similarities and how they present the company that you know maybe Apple might have issues with I honestly think they don't have a great strategy for breaking into the US and because the u.s. is a very tough market if you are going to make any money and be any successful at all you really have to work with carriers which means that you have to go through the carrier certification processes and everything which are very difficult very hard to do verification processes that's that's doesn't go through that and so like you can't get a oneplus phone that runs over icing because there's no 1+1 that'll go through pass Verizon security certification services so tough out there thank you Dan mmm thank you you did a thing again yes this is the the second episode explain yourself with your friend Paul Miller okay after this we're gonna take your calls for emotional tech support Ashley's gonna join us yeah so call one eight four four four emotion if you want to just bare your soul to us what was happening in tech but first let's watch whatever Paul did mmm-hmm do you have a car I do not you have a car no do you have a car not really do you have a car yes how many cars one car deal a flying car I do not have five her keep keep dreaming do you have a car I do do you have a flying car you know do you wish you find her of course gently applied cars though I do not have any fine keep dreaming buddy and looking so smug right about cars all the time you're gonna have to explain yourself this sounds way more threatening than I intend to Andrew Hawkins wrote two stories this week last week the PAL five liberty claims to be the first commercially available flying car this is very exciting I think uneducated about cars that I am but here's another article people are still trying to make cars that morph into helicopters well this sounds like we're like just super over it and bored of flying cars which is it Andy Andy hello oh it's Paul hey it's me Paul hey Paul nice to see you how's it going it's going great I'm gonna have you do something that I call explain yourself alright did you go to a car show last week I didn't our colleague Vlad survived wit and Geneva so you can say everything you know about these are just this is just hearsay yes sir there's flying cars at the car show yes so that's true it is true yes there were a couple of so-called flying cars at the Geneva Motor Show okay so flying cars are real it depends on what you consider to be a flying car are they commercially viable it also depends on what you consider to be commercially viable there's a lot of different slots of speculation around it but there are a lot of people that are pursuing flying cars as a commercial product all right so this is where we get to explain yourself time I feel like one of the articles made it sound like flying cars are boring and we're over them and the other one was like here's a flying car that you could buy I'm not bored of it I'm not over it explain yourself okay so I think the one that is available to buy is called the POW v Liberty and it's actually kind of a crossover between a helicopter or maybe a gyrocopter and a small smart style vehicle and the company that makes it it's based in in the Netherlands and they say that they you could start buying them by the end of the year so if you were so inclined as to risk your life and want to get behind the wheel of one of these things and hit you have a pilot's license as well as a driver's license you're welcome to do that how much I think it's probably in the six-figure range I was hearing somewhere around $300,000 okay and then the other articles like flying cars bored of this so that's probably some of my my skepticism leaching into the to the coverage and it's because I've been covering this issue for over a year now and there are a lot of companies that are spending a lot of money and claiming that flying cars are going to be a real product I have some serious doubts I wonder whether or not this is gonna be anything outside of like very rich people buying these things and using them and there's lots of people like uber thinks it's gonna be actually like a flying taxi service available in cities they're sitting in up in Dallas and in LA and Dubai so we'll have to see I mean it's just like the technologies aren't really there yet as far as making them all-electric and able to fly so there's a lot of pieces that still need to fall into place if you had to guess what which flying car will paul miller a member of the firmly entrance in the middle class which one will I get into and will take me somewhere if all if everything goes according to plan and this technology actually comes to fruition and there's actually flying taxis available in cities I would say you're most likely to be in an uber flying taxi more so than anywhere else because these seem to have the vision and the money to actually scale the product and make it available in cities thank you Andrew you your answers are very good thank you Paul I'm happy to do it well that was explain yourself with your friend Paul Miller I think we really got to the bottom of this one flying cars soon already here first we're back really costing our hey so you guys actually started emotional tech support ages ago it's back in the if anybody remembers Facebook live deep in the archives on our face a couple of years ago look back at short hair back then yeah alright tell me people that expect the number the number should be up on the screen really underwent hair transformations I really what have you did better Bolton emotional tech support is is is you call us with your problems that can be about technology but we're not going to fix your technology problem but we yeah we're not tech support so we can't we will say maybe try turning it off yeah but that's about as far as we're gonna go so let me let me offer you this one take some calls yeah so like a baby yes it's great baby needs a room in my house find space for her so I had to totally like throw out my office that's the baby's room now so I got rid of all the furniture all the shells and I've just been throwing away gadgets like recycling them and like throwing away wires and Becky says that every time I like throw one away like I take a wire and like put it in the bag mmm I make soft moaning sounds mmm because they're all like little adventures like they're all whatever when I I remember what I plug that into that one thing on firewire 400 was like a really important piece of my life how far back do these gadgets go I'm a threeway scuzzy cable like that old yeah that's a scanner no that's for a hard drive cuz there's like that part of you that really feels like what if I need this cable again and then I'll be a hero like every day oh is that what you were saving them for though that's not why you were saving in cables I just think like the the the moments for you to be a hero in your life were very limited if you can have a drawer of heroism they're not just signifiers of good times gone by I mean it's all I can look at them it's like I mean I just had three drawers full of cables and gadgets all right I brought a bunch of a bunch of them are on the set now if anybody wants my canon powershot s 100 right please let me know it's sitting right over here all right we have our first call ken has an iPhone future expectations question this is going to be emotional Ken what's up man all right so iPhone 10 G's and screams not as terrible price is horrible iPhone 10 plus expected what are we going to see that will validate an increased price the things that same shabby screen and overall just kind of boring I mean iOS is great it's reliable as fast and what's worse for the hardware that should set all that's good it's boring laser in on the emotion here boredom frustration would you say that you are frustrated I am frustrated I am underwhelmed and I'm overcharged so here's what I think you should do I think you should find another gadget it isn't like where the market isn't quite as developed and fall into that I think that phone market we've had a solid decade of like super intense phone market crazy competition mm-hmm and now by the way I disagree with you that the screen is shabby the notch is annoying screen is beautiful except for them not but but we've had a decade of like phone hyper enthusiasm and now you're wait you you want that to be like so you're saying Kim should find a different industry that has that rapid iteration for focus on yeah so he can enjoy progress again yeah what your own could be fun they're like back a small drink it isn't gonna win you know and like be really into that I've gotten into modular synthesis a little bit been following that what were you saying you feel I'm in the exact same place as Ken where I need to replace my phone and I'm looking at the iPhone 10 and it still runs the same iOS I have on my success so the software isn't a big differentiator for me I see the notch I see the victory and then I'm like that price tag is insane and I'm going through the same thing or my uh what do I do I like it but not that much you feel like for $1000 that should change my life exactly what are your other let's see we can find one for you what's the thing that grabs you and I know you're gonna say smart homes fan but there's I'm telling you once you install like the door lock and then you're like great yeah upgrade cycle what are your dreams I have the Matic pro which is more than I need angelee the new DVD I groans are they're good they're great boy kids not a Crow's good I got the what's the other pixel to excel over there I got the s8 plus all over the point I have the iPhone 7 I'm all over the place because I'm looking for that you know what happened what won the note 7 came out and there was finally a breath of fresh air and then it had that issue and then the air from an explosion whooshing products now it sounds like you're into photography right you've got a flying camera you've got some handheld cameras why not let go all the video and photo wait why not go all the way down like being like the Canon version versus Nikon split or like Sony's coming to disrupt them all well you want to you want some like deep emotions get on a camera message board but go on like an icon fans calm and guy Canon for life there is a great theory that I heard that Sony is holding itself back that it's so far beyond Canon and Nikon that it's just trickling out features and if they ever try to compete with sony Sony will slam down a large set of features I'm also wondering if instead of boredom you should try to have gratitude because you're bored but at least the phones are good enough now where you're not like this is a really actually I should be happy that it works Technologies I don't have to upgrade yeah I mean I think it is boring but we're at that stage where it's like well it works and it's good alright thank you so much can talk to you guys later I'm gonna wait I don't know chuckle grab the LGD 30 and play with the long cycle alright Krishna and the chat is asking about Apple versus Android which is basically the same question but I think the emotional tenor of that question is different right here what do you have we have a follow up in the chat here or did say someone suggest Ashley oh yeah John suggested that you need to go I feel like there's a lot I mean I think that toilet I think a lot of us who are tied to the iPhone are tied into iMessage and there's so many emotions tied up with my message because all your friends are there the group texts are way better on iMessage that green bubble yeah I will say I've been thinking about Android a lot because I feel like Android matches more of my core principles not Google as a company but Android as software that's relatively open source relatively customizable hackable so I've been really thinking about switching to that the blue blue text messages and my family group chat specifically is worth its most important was holding me to iOS but my brother just switched to a dumb phone he's going like Luddite and so he's already broken the family group text so now I'm not the bad guy I can switch to Android Go Green text and so what are you guys doing about so there's just no more group text your brother yeah that's how I feel about every time I see data on this cool Android phones yeah well you've got to move the whole family to Google you know like you can run like Linux on your Android phone like you could do so many interesting different weird things with Android phone all right then by the way the number is 1 8 4 4 4 emotion just call us with your emotional problems regular if somebody else in the line I suspect that we do great and by the way is back back they're screening away so let's see what Paul you also probably have some emotions all right Creighton says we have one coming my his name apparently as mr. standby I can throw a real quick story yeah my roommate has discovered that he can just yell things at Alexa and set alarms for me yeah so it was like Alexa wake me up at 5:00 a.m. Alexa wake me up before you he said like ten alarms we have so on on the line I mean told this is an iPad question frame on so on which yeah okay so it's been a couple months since iOS 11 came out and I want to buy an iPad now it made that week to leave Mac OS behind I'm a student so I don't really need a whole lot and I don't know if I want to wait until WWDC to see if there's gonna be a new I've had this year with like case ID or an emoji or if I should just buy the current iPad pro I mean you've had a couple saw there's rumors out there but a new ones coming in March let me ask yes why why did you decide to leave Mac OS behind I just don't like hanging around my 15-inch MacBook Pro I have the touch part version and I feel like I don't man emotion is enough computing power to justify carrying four pounds of stuff in my backpack have you tried lazy have you tried full-time iPad life I have I have my mom arrest my dad okay no I have some general recommendations is it MacRumors does the buying guide yeah there's a if you just google it there's a buying guide that you can search for and it's like it covers all Apple products and tells you win they typically get refreshed and and so it will kind of tell you like this is a good time to buy or this is a bad time to buy my general tech advice has always been always wait wait until you need something and I will say this chat is going crazy with Windows computer recommendations you want to leave Mac OS behind tell me about that feeling you're like I just don't need this I don't want it is your is your simplify no I will use Mac OS s home I just don't need it like for a portable type of device like when I'm at home and I'm locked in so you want to spend yeah what's the biggest around there it's so much money to jump from $650 for the 64 gigabyte iPad pro up to the 256 gigabyte yeah that's a Oh hundred and fifty dollar jump for like an SD card worth of storage yeah piss me off okay I got like an open box discount at Best Buy so done okay yeah I feel I feel sick to my stomach I spent that much on a tablet computer though right like when you can buy an Android tablet for like one or two hundred dollars but it enrich your life I hope so and I wouldn't you find in the iPad life is is simplicity and and streamlined thought process and no back string single tasking notes and dongles hundreds of thousands of dongles figured out man I I cannot for the life I think I my emotion when I think about iPads is just confusion have you ever tried to work [Laughter] combo is like the strongest that's the move we have lots of like tablet full on tablet people here all right we have one more question Austin there's a question about Bluetooth and Android mmm and I feel like all Bluetooth questions I defer to Ashley Carmen so Austin I'm a proud Android user I love my pixel to I also loved my j-bird excuse until they died about two days ago and there's still not a good replacement for them you know Apple they have their positives are great yeah I mean I they don't fit in my ear so I don't bother but pixel buds they just they didn't live up and I don't want to spend a hundred and sixty dollars on something that doesn't live up I'm waiting for a good option and I want to know when that is it makes me sad why did your Jaybirds die they just died they're gone yeah I've had them for I've had them for three years now so maybe we're just there time do you feel like no no now my existence is pain because I spent $25 on a replacement and those hurt and you're not my where's open the USBC headphone dongle life because the pixel to dongle is just gross well I mean that's fine when I'm just sitting at my desk but if I'm you know out running I don't want to be tethered to Accord it's gonna fall out of my ears right and you want in your like to be able to crane my neck around in every direction the next speaker why can't you buy replacement ones I'm confused why you can't just buy new ones I mean I could but for the $50 that I would replacing a pair of X two's I might as well try to find that good option that has 5.0 and a quick pairing feature similar to the pixel buds and even better connectivity but it doesn't seem to exist yet Qualcomm announced a new chip so we're basically at CES so we're still waiting for manufacturers to ship stuff with that new chip the spec for audio / 5.0 isn't even out yet yeah I I feel like what I did is I got some beats yeah and I hate using with the iOS obviously but I got basically a relatively cheap pair like 90 hour beats one yeah and they and I just don't listen to music sorry beats the W one yes correct yeah just like basically this is a time where music is not for me this is a time where only spoken word music music from phones again basically is have courage is a great idea that everyone supports and this problem never happens laughter is the best medicine right now you can listen to the verge cast a she's got a great show called why'd you push that button we're making spoken word chord but I will say about YouTube it's three years for a gadget that's a lot especially a gadget that you work as hard and it sounded like it worked well for you and that you're having trouble replacing so just make sure you take a little bit of time and like you know like think about the loss and the end of that time or buy something cheap and wait for something good to come out which is always good find a store with a good return policy all right we got one last question thank you so much Austin I appreciate that one [Laughter] David has feelings about Google a messaging strategy hey buddy are you doing well how are you guys all right tell us tell us your emotions so my question for you guys is how much longer should I stick with Google Voice I've been using it for four or five years now and mostly that's because I work from home it's really convenient to answer phone calls on the computer as well as some text messages but hey bad hangouts experience is just getting worse and worse and worse it's really terrible and windows now and it is not a fun app to use on on Android Google's been talking about messaging and their ideas for for years and years but we we're not seeing it come to fruition should I use should I stick with it should I finally give up and change my number what do you guys think man that's tough that's like that is maybe the hardest most emotionally because changing your phone number is a lot mm that's a lot but Google Voice is like abandoned where at this point as near as I can tell so I like I don't know what do you use do you use the voice features of Google Voice do you have it like I don't use that I have it coming through to my personal phone but I mostly use it for kind of answering phone calls on the on the computer or talking or sending text messages on the computer it's nice to kind of have two numbers sometimes but you know at the end of it invoices The Voice app has started to see some updates but Google keeps talking about how they're gonna you know figure out voice and messaging and and all of that but it just doesn't seem like they they're going anywhere with us you're not careful deters is gonna wheel in another conspiracy board this is all he thinks hears I'm gonna I'm gonna make a suggestion you're on an Android phone iPhone here's my recommendation it's gonna be wild you know I don't like it the traps gonna hate it throw everything away fully into the iMessage ecosystem you said you do is the reason I can't switch away from iOS because I can texture my computer because the voice motion they're not great but they work other people have it the apps are everywhere at least on Apple's ecosystem that lock-in is strong well you are feeling is the pain of having a neglectful jailer I think I have three google home devices right throughout our house and I think I want to I want to live in Google and ecosystem they just sometimes make it make it harder than up and it should be maybe people are urging the brick I don't think that there is another ecosystem that lets you do voice plus messaging the way that Google Voice stay in the way I would recommend is to look around for like a beautiful prison that really wants you there this is the question in addition to you how the hell do headphones work now but the question of like the next moment and technology is is there going to be a messaging service in the United States because outside United States you have whatsapp inline telegram but in the United States will there be another cohesive messaging service that can rival what Apple's doing with my message right the answer as near as I can tell is know I feel like facebook Messenger Instagram DMS yeah I almost feel like there is an emerging usage pattern that is basically like find people where they spend their time like if someone's a snap user like message am on snapchat if they used Instagram Oh mr. monster they are a green bubble on Facebook message on Facebook because that means they're active they like to message you an iMessage sorry another choice for you Damon is to refuse to be in any one prison right and just go to everyone else's prison well I appreciate David's loyalty so David I think you should feel proud of how loyal you are you really didn't give up when you when you could have given up they're not rewarding that loyalty but I thanks guys thanks David I appreciate it man we have we had a wrap-up we have one more here I'm just gonna put this out there you know for the Android Apple let's talk about Microsoft Microsoft enrolling stuff to enter it after the death of Windows Phones I mean I'm sorry that Windows Phone is dead but you gotta move on man you just got a lot go I'm still sad about it the I you know you know what there is a point of hope you know Peter was talking about fuchsia and his crazy conspiracy theory board it's a more modular operating system and that was what really inspired me about Windows Phone is this idea that developers can make small pieces that can be assembled by the operating system into a you are they can be kind of seamless instead of this bouncing in and out of apps for the rest of our lives see oh wait this one will just come back you can have hope in your heart all right that was so irregular thank you so much for everybody for watching we brought it up a couple of times but do as Nash this podcast never so came out today that was great so listen to that British ass on Thursday we'll be doing that it's an audio shoot you can't watch them you can watch the intro button i watch the verse casual stuff by oh what's the livestream month it's out there it's out 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