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Faust Gabe Newell wants to sense your body and he's making a steam box this is first I'm Josh Topolsky I'm Ross Miller and this is day two of the show floor day day three three ZS up first no okay two of CES yes day three of first and the six or seven of us I've lost count of how long I've been in Las Vegas but I but what I do know is I'm now an escort so you know it's all really working out pretty well you must've had a late night then I had a number of late nights due to my new job as a as a female escort that Bechet it was also a female female escort I mean female you know let's not get bogged down in the details so basically you're a female pretend to be a male pretend to be a female escort that's something like that okay I mean I don't know everybody seems to enjoy it that's the important thing we're exhausted sigh we're very tired we are this is day two of the show floor being open we have been here for quite a while covering the show yesterday was a massive day for us our our biggest day I think yet with a ton of stuff funny stuff weird stuff it's been very surprised fun I've been having a season yeah I have to say I mean you know I am NOT I really I try not to sound like I'm cheerleading see yes because I think normally we come here and we're you know we see this as a mission we got to get through we have a really good time with our team this year everybody was saying oh it's gonna be a bad show and things gonna be terrible and it's you know hardware is dead and I actually think it's been it's just a really fun amazing I think we're looking like this show different than from years past yeah it's just we're looking for the weird more than we are like they say we're not looking for a door were years past that I just think that I think you get that you know I think just in general the public gets Sony's gonna talk about 4k TV or whatever and there's gonna be you're gonna get the press stuff the regular press stuff and then you've got to find the other stories that are interesting here and I think I think we've been doing that and that that's really interesting to me but and we'll get to that and we'll get to value and we will sorry yeah we're gonna talk about valve in just a little bit but we've got some headlines you've got headlines up the first thing yesterday t-mobile made a huge push first carriage really wanted to get past number four it made a bunch of big announcements first and foremost LTE and it'll be its first market is here next week a hundred million people by middle of this year yeah you know that is that that that that LT is going to be interoperable with AT&T I don't think what's do we know I don't think we know but why are they doing this they're just making a new variety I mean you know it's just I know why they're doing it I think it's the worst I can't we intervene here it's all the same LTE can we make the right it won't feel correct are all the same 4G well no but you know Verizon has their CDMA and there's GSM right right but now we don't have that problem LT is like different bands different spectrums it's it's all over the place okay fine point is no you can't have this beautiful hippie dream world of HD Voice HD Voice yeah it's now HD Voice compatible if you have a galaxy s3 or the 1s you can start using it yeah I still never use HD Voice Chris Chris Ziggler says that it is an incredible innovation that we just can't appreciate you how much I just don't make phone calls III do everything I can to avoid threat calls I mean I don't like talking if there's any way I can get out of talking on the phone I will use that technique I'm faking my own death holding someone hostage saying you know I can't come to the phone because I'm in a hostage situation why would you take why would you hold somebody hostage if you just wanted to avoid a phone call I mean like there are easier ways again it's like look I want to I want to talk to you about your hostage situation but you need to join this group mates right and the last new day was unlimited data completely unlimited data without contracts starting at $70 a month yeah the big thing of course is you don't get a subsidized phone but t-mobile has been doing a great job not doing like half the new customers or contract free from the some of the newer plans they've been doing I mean t-mobile's really pushing I was like were the new unique carrier you don't want to contract you want limited data these are the buzzwords we always talk about one in yeah I actually find these announcements totally boring can I be honest this based on what we've been seeing here this to me is one of the least interesting I mean this I just kind of does nothing for me okay it's the in fact I feel dead it's wow that was that that booze didn't want to go away right well that either you're bad at throwing those or you really gotta check them a little bit of both no all right this is going to bore you just as much we're gonna get through it all right it's the Wall Street Journal digit times in Bloomberg trifecta of rumors cheap iPhone okay so here's what I think it's interesting okay first off they say they could be a cheaper iPhone with a polycarbonate body it might be you know some new material that's easier to pretty cheaper and easier don't call it something new but it look awesome and new but it'll be an iPhone 4s oh boy carpet yeah they'll call it you know apple apple carbonate bicarbonate yeah but so what I think is interesting about this is that historically for us Apple has disrupted CES with with news and no you know it's just they do this they love to do this they they have there something that happened somehow you know this somehow this got leaked to The Wall Street Journal you know we don't know how they have very reliable sources they've they're pretty much they don't publish an Apple rumor unless it turns and it turns out to be true but you know they always disrupt this show with news what I thought was interesting is that yesterday on our site this news hit and I looked at our traffic and it was the seventh most traffic post at prime time during the news which i think is kind of incredible when you think about Apple's presence in the industry and that everybody said this show was going to be dead and when I looked at our front page what was rude trending was actual newsroom from this show I agree but let me play a little bit devil's advocate he's doing hat to bad had Apple done a special event announcement like we do every year it's totally different that totally different I mean and they said we're doing it we're all in the event please join us tune in if it had been like tune in this show would have been over in one second because everybody would have started working on their editorials about Apple's TV initiative what I also thought was interesting is at the phone itself is whatever Apple's gonna make a cheaper iPhone I think they're great I think no one I think here's more of the horse or we can get great smartphones into the hands of the people better off we'll all be but what I thought was really interesting was this rumor happened and then 15 minutes later Facebook issued an invite to an event right and I have I wrongly feel that they must have been waiting to see if Apple was going to do an event and they were like well they're not doing it let's let's do it it's a CES tradition that Apple will screw it up somehow with an announcement this time baby this was this was a spike right a little disruptive disruptive spike but it wasn't a it didn't obliterate the show right but Facebook is building something new it's bigger than Facebook we'll find out later they've managed to like everything I don't know what that means that's not even funny all right never happened last story before we can get to the bigger things it's actually I think this kind of fell under the radar wall we can't believe we're talking about what we are talking about what because they wanted a talk about Huawei yesterday we talked about the device we have a we had actually have Sam back for doc here he spoke oh that's right what the head of consumer electronics richer you had quite a few interesting things to say yeah let's let's talk to Sam Sam are you with us hey yeah I'm him hey Sam hey Sam Sam you uh you met with the he's the CEO of Huawei he is the head of consumer like cata consumer electronics at Huawei because they also do heavy industry I would assume yes their Chinese company can you tell me a little bit about about what you guys talked about yeah we're chatting so I mean the news here is if I want to hold that mic a little bit closer to your mouth so how's this a lot better it's a lot better so the thing here is he he was very bullish and confident he was trying to convince me that Huawei makes the best phones in the world he called out Samsung he called out Apple and he was telling me that basically the new phones that they announced yesterday the ascend mate and the d2 they are the best phones in the world and what's interesting there is that until now the company has been very much it sells a lot of phones but not in the high-end at all I mean I don't know about you guys the only guy I know at the Hawaii way phone is Paul Miller and that's because he doesn't use the Internet so I mean that's that what you just said is 100% accurate but medically accurate but hi I'm just wondering what do you get I mean you used the phones right you saw them do you feel that he has the stuff to back up his his talk does he do they make the best phone so they better than Samsung phone I mean so the ascend mate has a 6.1 inch screen right it's not going to be the it's certainly not going to be the best phone for everyone in the world anyone with pockets for example but I mean it's the quality I would say is from what I from what I used it seems like comparable to a Samsung phone or something it's their plasticky they're not they're not like super super high-end but they feel pretty good the build they don't flex or anything and I mean the real issue is they're not going to be sold in the US and that's because the the u.s. perceives Huawei as a potential spy well right this is the thing he says that I'm making that up I'm not just being racist or something that's that's the the there's some concern that they are going to infiltrate the United States yeah he absolutely said that and he said he said the US carriers he's spoken with him they're trying to build a relationship and carriers actually like how his product but he says that there is influence from the US government and that there are trust issues and they need to work they really need to sort of work hard to get away as an accepted brand as a trusted company in the US do you um what do you make of his Steve Jobs comment I mean the Steve Jobs comment heat so the actual comment he said Steve Jobs is gone now there is a lack of innovation and I mean basically he's trying to put the phones in the same conversation as Apple I mean right i I mean is he trying to dry he said no and thank God we're Huawei is here to deliver the kind of innovation that that Steve Jobs would have delivered well like a 6.1 inch exactly Tim Cook is clearly incapable lives what is there six momen what is their skin called what is the name of their skin emotion UI emotion UI did you feel moved by it I was not used it I was not moved I would say one one thing that I thought was a great you have the 6.1 inch phone but there's like a one handed mode so they shrink the keyboard down and they shrink the the keypad down to sort of go into the bottom left of the bottom right corner so you can actually use this gigantic phone in one hand fairly comfortably I mean it's it's still you could certainly can't cover the whole screen with your thumb like you can with an iPhone for example but it's a pretty thoughtful innovation they've clearly thought it's not like Samsung for example who just like they've released the car accident they they blow up the Android UI to a huge screen well it has actually thought about how people might use this device and I was quite impressed with that so it sounds like we've got at least one new Huawei fan in the world Sam yes well I'm gonna come that yeah all right well we gotta move on but Sam thanks thanks for joining us did you was there anything that no Sam thanks for joining us and we'll see you later in the trailer for our cocktails thanks a lot uh what I find interesting this is what the historical thing I'd like while what could be the point where agency was years and years ago I was just about to push I agree with you a hundred percent I just think that what I've seen of their products there's nothing notable about their products and they feel completely anonymous HTC actually had started pushing a really interesting and aggressive and and different industrial design they started doing something that made you go wait a second well these guys are making really nice phones they started doing sense when before there was really an idea of I mean they'd been doing since it was originally called what was it called I don't remember it had a different name anyhow the point is maybe was just called sense but they were doing skinning me on Windows Mobile and they brought that to Android that was really the start of this whole skinny fat skinny trend Tom you know so I think they had some real stuff to bring to the table Huawei is just a me-too they're like oh you did a big phone we did a big phone you guys have a have a you know it's got pen input we have a pen input you did you win this phone we got a Windows Phone it's just wondering when these kind of like their their big companies and make a lot of money he steals and I was like they were doing phones for other people really kind of count on where their carriers wanted to get their branding but now while Huawei wants to be its own company once I have its brand in front right no matter how big they are that's a huge struggle right and it's funny like baking I gotta tell you I gotta tell you really do that I mean huawei's got an uphill battle with that name in America I mean if we still are unsure if we still are messing it up average Americans are not going to that's just a nightmare they just need to change the name to like a W or something all right well we should move on yeah I'm gonna try this card one more to get here we go that was not that was a strange I gotta say that was trait toward that was change that right it almost took off my goes to face almost his eyes buddy got any more of these yeah just watch it all right what else all right anyway let me get that uh we had this is a cool report from yesterday Chris niggler risked life and limb oh yeah to let a car park itself yeah well he said in the pasture see this is awesome Isis uh this to me is really future is the future yeah check check out this video Chris Engler and Audi and when we come back Chris rad nice yes this is Chris Sigler with the verge and I am in the passenger seat of this car I'm not driving why not because it's Saudis self-driving car you'll notice that there's nobody in the driver's seat about to go on a wild ride through the parking garage of the Mandarin Oriental got some sensors set up around here these are laser scanners that help the car figure out where to go and then it goes on a short path maybe a 100 150 feet out to the front we get out then the car turns around that part has to be done by hand with a real driver and then we drive back in and the car backs into the spot it's a little scary this is our robot overlord future in action it's happening right here in Las Vegas little terrified let's see how this goes so it's slow this is not like a Google car this is not like the car that Lexus introduced yesterday this is going five miles an hour through preset course howdy plans on getting there they want to get to a full like highway experience in fact they're only the second automaker to have permission in the state of Nevada to drive on highways with self-driving cars but this is not that this is just to help you park the car without having to be in it imagine you're at a mall you're at a some sort of shopping center bought your smartphone hit a button the car comes and picks you up that's what this is so it's pretty awesome not gonna lie for the time being I'm okay driving the car myself parking really isn't that big of a deal but you know if I have to pay another 100 200 bucks to get this feature on my next car I might do it out he's thinking 10 years out for this so we'll see how that goes all right Audi let's go back to the Convention Center and we're back with Chris grant editor-in-chief of polygon calm and world-renowned hip hop dancer look it up that's crazy before we get into into talking about valve and theme and statement valve I can't they come up with some other less mechanical it's fine if it's their thing that that what were you just saying about the the auto parking the auto auto parking all this effort you see a long time these cars that can auto park or parallel parking it's like just just learn to parallel park yes so much engineers can come so I Drive up to you right that's the other thing you can leave a space you can leave the space and come to you that's some Batmobile stuff right cool right exactly so what you would say just learn to walk yeah also get a pair of shoes look if you know we still be in the caves Chris I feel like we talked about this last night but um anyhow we have you here because we're going to talk about well before I talk about you want to talk about oculus at all any good I mean we've yeah all you talked about last night so you guys so maybe you didn't you see last night or hear about it I tweeted about it and and we we had a magical experience here we had a chance to play with the oculus rift which is a virtual reality headset that was a Kickstarter project which is now there it is right there as soon as you say that it's like don't go no really yeah and we've been talking about it it was like non-stop 24 hours straight now because we actually got to try this in the trailer and it is an incredible totally futuristic cutting-edge breathtaking exhilarating experience and Chris and I both had our first trough eyes on if you will with with the oculus really yeah and it was crazy I mean what are your what's your take on it I think it was um personal especially I think was the promise of virtual reality that we've heard for a long time it was the first time I've had a 3d gaming experience that I thought was worth anything yeah I got 3d TV with gaming don't care anything it really the first thing I think they did the same thing for both of us they tell you when you first put it on the table look to turn around all the way around you can turn your head all the way as far as it can go and it just feels like you're looking behind you yeah you know and how here it is here's some here's some footage from the live show on the on the I mean nothing can do it justice I mean you can't but but look at but look at what do you see the motion of the of the game here look at how much more real that looks then what you'd normally experience in a game the way you're moving around because when you move around with the controller your control you're very metered in the control when this thing is on your head you can it actually looks more like a handheld camera who's the Texas adding the wave the footage is moving when we had it on the kept asking us to roll our heads you know like this yeah because if it rolls you can like it's not a camera angle you're used to seeing games where you sort of have a horizon right I mean you can you know it's you start to do things like peek around corners they had they did this thing where they had there was some sparks flying off of them they show this person actually was even more interesting this just sounds like the hippies thing I was like I just watched a fan like a minute as well just the fact you can look up what I thought was interesting is not just the sparks falling down you know as you're underneath it but there was this little area this little vent area next to it that you could kind of look into and it just felt like I'm looking into something in reality I know it's a really really incredible product they're starting to sell Deb they're selling death kits for it which include the the goggles for 300 bucks all right I don't have a price yet I don't know I don't know the price but I think it's gonna be affordable it's before it's me I think there's some there's my some chatter I like what we saw was a very low resolution but it's so incredibly immersive because it's super responsive yeah like it's complete depth of feel you can't see like the black bar that takes out really something and I think that what do you think about gaming and we're talking a lot here about gaming which is you know this valve stuff is why you're sitting here you know this is another piece of that puzzle that when you start to think about all these pieces we're putting together you know technology in general looks exciting but gaming especially is getting really weird and cool but interesting it is so let's talk about valve it is an intern story here because there's no public presence and I think it's actually one the most interesting stories of see yeah they were at see us last year as well right and and in fact when we we talked about the steam box the rumor of the steam box what we heard was at the CES they it the Lasius they were showing this kind of reference hardware to people and saying this is what we want to build you know to partners yeah exactly right and now we like now they're being way more open about like their meeting with hardware partners they're sending the outlines Gabe Newell valve CEO and basically just the for presence of the company sat down just about 45 minutes and just kind of outlined everything they're doing what is the steam box what are they being very controlling of what do they want partners to do yeah I mean it's it's broad its far-reaching the general gist like the poetic version of this is good better best yeah good is a $99 console it does local streaming you know better it's as tightly controlled this is the specs we want it's a $300 box you want to do it with us we kind of tell you what it is yeah and best is anything you want like is right we're gonna build you want to build your own right make your system and turn it into a steam box no problem exactly like disk drives they said you know manufacturers don't put disk drives in but they're loud they're expensive they increase the size of the box so it's like that's kind of on the high end right right right I mean I think it's I think it's brilliant I mean what what you know my question is does this have can this have an impact on the on the community on the gaming community as it is now on the industry and we've got some pretty entrenched players right Sony Nintendo Microsoft they're obviously not going anywhere anytime soon so how does the steam box matter can it matter on a grand scale or is this much more of a niche product I think it's gonna be interesting you see PC gaming kind of growing in popularity right now for a couple reasons one we're the end of a console lifecycle a lot of people are looking for something new and exciting and more powerful and you're seeing it on PCs if you compare far cry 3 on a PC to far cry 3 on your Xbox it's kind of night and day it looks incredible on computer indie games there's all these indie games coming out that are overwhelmingly on PC if they're not on your phone and a lot of those games don't come to your console so if you have a box or device that makes it easier to play that stuff you can play it on your television your living room valve told me yesterday that it was their customers that told them they wanted the steam box that they wanted to play their games in a living room they're doing it they already have an Xbox so valve is in always reacting to what our customers already do they already play games in their living room so the question is how do you make the PC experience work in the living room and that's what they're trying to do I mean to me and I obviously not the core audience of a specialist but I really love the idea of look I don't want I don't want a game on a desktop I want to sit down in my own with my big TV with the great sound in my living room and play games but if I had the opportunity to play better looking games more immersive games games with that are bigger because there's no limitation on what you can do or how big it can be games that are cheaper and cheaper and and of a wider variety in the sense that there's no barrier it's real barrier to entry for developers you know to me that's like it sounds like a dream come true I mean I would love to stick that under my TV and and use it I feel like there's got to be a market for that I think that it's gonna be about some of this is gonna be about the games they need to deliver something this is your pitch for valves to do another half-life they need to do half-life they need to do the third half-life and that doesn't mean it doesn't sound right and and and make it exclusive to this thing or or just do a bigger game than anybody's done before a better game I think this sandbox is gonna live outside of steam or just be another extension of the platform I don't measure them fragmenting anyway I think it's like no I mean they'll have to go how they're not going to not make it available to all the users obviously I just think that you know there needs to be some incentive for me to go alright you know there's no for me there isn't Center for the broader audience I think you need to say how can you do it I I'm just really excited that that there is the opportunity for this innovation I think you know we're talking about you know what led to the before the show started we time that would led to the oculus rift and about this global situation you know with with cheaper cheaper parts better parts open-source really taking over really becoming mainstream in many ways you know with Android and I think this is a product of that in many ways not of Android but of just this feeling that the stuff is cheap enough it's easy enough there's an audience there that really cares about it because the the technology or the gaming audience has grown so big and Sonia so mainstream and I think it's really exciting time for this stuff exactly here's here's something else that was kind of interesting about what he got into with that not so much just that like we're gonna go on the big screen but like this is our chance to say you know we're not necessary half the keyboard mouse we're not gonna sleep of the gamepad we want to find a new way of like really interfacing with these games like it's really thinking like long and hard it's definite not motion he's not a huge fan of Kinect but there was a long time biometrics the idea like your wrist kind of you know kind of tells what you're about to do it actually I mean this is true Chris valve has been working on they've been experimenting a lot from what we understand the company likes to experiment right they're a private company they've got basically one owner they are really originated it's the highest-grossing company per employee in the country really the world yeah that's crazy they only have a hundred employees and them so they have the luxury of taking all the time in the world on the steam box or it's rumored for a year and they're like like we're not in a rush right and so they have a whole team that's doing rnd on things like biometrics they have whole team that's doing work on them just actually they have a whole team that's doing work on education and gaming and figure out how we can use games to work in education why because they're interested in it I think they said like like one person basically could ship a product at valve normally it's like a little later on to science a there's almost no bureaucracy there's almost no kind of organizational structure so yeah if you can convince enough if you're a person of great koomer who started big picture which became steam box you guys have a piece on him you should check it out so tumor uh so great Coomer I choked up about this piece is here and so he started it was you know basically his idea he was one of the first champions and he just had to convince a couple other people at valve that this was a good enough idea and as soon as you have some buy-in from a couple people now you've got a project that the company can look officially sanctioned it's a big picture started about two years ago and it's kind of grown into this this effort right the steam box effort yeah the most interesting thing is that the steam box effort isn't just this kind of idea of part without side hardware manufacturers and trying to get almost outsource the work and convinced the alien wares of the world or the ex I threes of the world to them to create a steam box for you but valve itself wants to make one I think Gabe was pretty specific when he said we're gonna make one we're gonna ship it it's gonna have Linux on it if you want to put Windows on it you can and that's kind of a crazy idea right yeah like that was not a hardware company yeah it's it's um it's a really exciting development I think and I'm just glad that they're now talking about it you know because I think there are all these rumors we talked about it you guys have talked about at the time and it's like just say if you're doing something or not give us some sense of what's happening that gets down to like the idea that valve does probably incumbent need to market it like they don't have the same effort where it's like okay now we're gonna tease it we're gonna announce it we have a big event that just kind of right but I guess this maybe we would not even be having this conversation have we not harassed gave them giving us this interview essentially you know it's luck of the draw and yeah we I think we need to move on do you need to move on fortunately I would like I mean Chris was actually the verge cast last night and I thought it was brilliant brilliant performance of the first cast and I would like to to spend the rest of the day talking to you say when we're done here cancel might want please do but thanks thanks for coming on right and and you're here for the rest of the show right I think you know you're gonna see more of Chris Grant all right in the first guess it's awesome you can catch it on the video here oh it's still there we'll come back tonight laughs tomorrow night every single night George Katz is like a is like a vampire that you can't you can't even stake it in the heart it doesn't have a heart and this would be my guitar was broken and this is a vampire weak by its vampire girlfriend right we also have top-shelf in the afternoon nineteen ninety five times a day first tomorrow is our last first what was our last first is that right oh that's first to see yes last first of CES but well how are we gonna celebrate we need to really think hard well by the way we'll take suggestions YES on ways to celebrate our final first of CES first last first lap last first last part first first last last for first last first last yeah how to actually say that with me crazy and that would be really uh anyway doesn't shows I'll be updating the show floor oh really yeah those we need more news today we're out on the show floor this is the day where we really start to find the stuff that you haven't heard about yet that that maybe you didn't see a press conference honor that you know and here's one if you don't see it you know watch the ESF in years past you might have seen it but we got Dante de Rossi our star reporter because our this is our weird our Vedas are very weird well you just check it out yeah a face cake it's called face cake I've just stepped into a dress here at CES 2013 this is a virtual signage prototype that they have here from face cake it's called the face cake swivel we saw us last year but was is using as a Kinect and they've designed this too they've scanned these clothes and the idea is that when you're walking down the street you might see you might see this signage and you'll decide that you'd like to step into it and see what it's like so if I step in I could check out this purse and I can add a necklace and I could even switch hands face cake is hoping that retailers and other advertisers will be using these signs and malls and even in their front windows to get people not only to view a photograph of the clothing or the accessories but they'll be able to actually try it on and it's not in any stores yet at the moment but they plan on improving it and I'm sure they're shopping around the signs based on the same technology we saw a last year from face cake which is the face cake swivel a virtual dressing room that lets you choose dresses and suits and ties that you'd like to try on they've also announced here at CES a face cake swivel up close which is designed for you to try on makeup in a very similar fashion as ecology itself is based off of a Kinect sensor there are breeding body size and they're they've already created models in house they've created models of clothing and accessories and they're mapping it onto your body the sign itself is designed for retailers or advertisers that would like to not only show static imagery on digital signs but they'd like to try to get people to actually try on these clothes without even stepping into the store of course we haven't seen this yet in action like in reality but the face cake says that they'll keep on working on and they'll keep on improving it of course swivel ran a trial the technology but this past fall at twenty Bloomingdale's and if you'd like to try it out yourself we were told that they're going to start running it later this year and on that note you've officially been first 'add we'll see you tomorrow