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hey welcome to the verge mobile show this is episode 53 for the week of July eighth 2013 uhhh we're back from july 4th holiday weekend and nobody died nobody lost any limbs so we're all here to go and and then ready for another show i guess i'm dan seifert I'm glad tsavo and i'm chris sigler i just want to point something out here that I think our listeners need to know uh right before the show started Vlad said hang on a second I need to drop some knowledge on Twitter and I'm going to read for you a dramatic reading of this tweet the flag posted sauce is to food as makeup is to your face shouldn't be necessary but this is the knowledge that he urgently needed to drop then he delayed the burj mobile show for dystrophy one knows yes i donated van Eyck was sick second that's important stuff it is it's you had to know it and then he also had to talk smack about carrots yes which he apparently doesn't love as much as we all assumed you did yeah i mean carrots are just like your gateway vegetable to get you into the whole raw food obsession but I'm gonna have to challenge you on your your your statement about sauce because barbecue sauce might be one of the best things that's ever been invented brandy sauce a good but you would expect that won't you won't end to be fair to be fair Europe in general in the UK in particular don't have a storied tradition of barbecue the way the United States does that's true I'm also shown on the story ended have the continent a bit but it's absolutely true I uh you guys you guys might call it barbecue we might call it some form of grilling or whatever but we have established traditions but no like but like there's of cooking too dude i means I don't owe in a journal barbecue flavors in the US right there's like four regions that have like a distinct very iconic barbecue flavor and right and it varies and it's like people take it super seriously and they have contests and yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna a very calendar contextual response and say barbecue sauce is as iconic to you guys as the fourth of July and as iconic to us as the fourth of July to us it's really just like I just it's just another way of mixing up ingredients yeah it's a good way to put it yeah but you guys celebrate before the dry is the day you lost who celebrates that the the the British and people living in Great Britain they sent right yeah well that's all bruh celebrate is wrong wordy you acknowledge even now maybe maybe some people who are you know Gouda schmoozing their bosses might get a day off or whatever but nobody really celebrates getting beaten and just getting rejected for a whole continent that's fair anyway my only point is that there's no such thing as like Edinburgh style barbecue Edinburgh yeah you see just totally butchered up Chris you and I do that one and it look how it's spelled it's spelled Edinburgh yeah no I totally agree that's really great listen the first couple of years that I was here in the UK I used to say things like Tottenham and lace Esther they were a vesture and Tottenham we you said Tottenham the same way twice no it's Tottenham that's how it was to Tottenham okay anyway okay I'll never understand British English let's let's let's Chris on its Chicago and said Chicago yeah this is true this is true so uh the past week has been kind of leaky huh like it seems like everyone that is responsible for keeping announcements under wraps has went on vacation and let's just jump into to nokia's got a big event scheduled for thursday ah it's been teased ten times over and they've promised to do something something related with cameras right like their invite said to zoom in to see what's new or something something corny like that and so it's been longer if that thing and I need to just pick pick up on that uh it is basically impossible to leak this phone that has been announced on the 11th dont preach be thursday this week because nokia said firstly tease the event they said zoom in so you can a new is going to be camera focused camera-centric then there were a couple of little leaks and then nokia just went to straight up tweeted for 2 1,000,000 reasons to pay attention or whatever it was and at that point is just like yes it's a PureView 808 sensor its place to get a windows phone it's like nike just pre announced itself like the event is going to come and the only thing that can be due to stimulate any excitement is probably have a lot of executive wearing a sports outfit and I don't know diving into a swimming pool something after the head jo harlow dunking at the London event which I totally approved of you know when a most living 925 jo harlow dunk tuna like a 6-foot rim that was awesome are you serious what was she was she was she hanging off of it we don't work I into the 925 like I don't understand how did you guys miss this will i bugged it I didn't baby because there was a 4 a.m. eastern but yeah I didn't see any pictures of jo harlow dunking but I would like it like 90 pictures of this i was taking like you know continuous shots of the whole dunk attempt which is successful is beautiful it was gonna visuals were hey Duke uniform friend whose captain of the Duke basketball team actually I did not know that they say that Elop to Harlowe is the new Stockton to Malone oh 25 year old back man wow I like the image that just building up for me yeah the whole purpose was the Lumia 925 and the introduce a bunch of new camera features with that it's things like isolating an object then the motion blur around them and taking multiple photos and then selecting subject brother who might be motion and you know get rid of things that you don't want having a photo one of these kinds of features there are actually a nice suite of features kind of an intuitive and weird to explain but once you get hold of the phone and start taking photos with it works so what what it did it was a live demo and it's quite a brave demo was actually take you know continuous shots of Jo Harlow running up and taken that dunk and then editing that with a software it worked out really well but as I say the whole build-up to this event has been let in quotation marks leak every little detail about it so everybody is absolutely clear of what was all to announce today ah Windows Phone central posted what looked to be the most official looking renders of what a final product that we seen yet uh and then a whole rundown of the specs of the device and they're saying that it's going to have the as expected that 41-megapixel sensor it will crop down to somewhere on five megapixels using the pixel bidding technology it's going to have optical image stabilization which is actually a step up above the 808 which did not have optical image stabilization so that's pretty cool f 2.8 lens you know in flash I mean this is like packed to the gills with camera technology and then as far as the actual phone it's going to allegedly come with two gigabytes of RAM which is the most that we've ever seen on a Windows Phone device before I didn't know that Windows Phone really had a problem with RAM management um so I'm not sure that's going to make a huge difference perhaps doesn't needed for the the camera processing I don't know i mean there's two things I love about Windows Phone one is the kind of the wrap which i think is the best out of any stock software and the other is just the efficiency of the OS so yeah I absolutely don't think that the OS itself is going to benefit too much from the extra ram but I'm sure some maps and things are the camera are going to yeah and it you could say it's kind of future proofed I guess but the and then also we've heard about this before but there's going to be a pro camera app to come along with the 1020 which will give you all kinds of camera controls that you might want such as ISO and white balance of all kinds of things so you know it looks like an impressive device to me you know it looks like a 920 almost exactly the same until you flip it over and you see this giant camera lens on the back of it but now let me ask you guys all the things being equal say it but just let's just assume that the carrier has nothing to do with it would you take a 925 or this out of 10 20 yeah really 1020 just because I'm such a camera nerd and I like take a lot of photos and I can with my phone saying the night the 925 looks and it feels so good I know I totally agree with you and it's probably going to be a lot thinner and lighter than the 10 20 and then because the 920 is kind of like a chunky brick right and it's heavy thick and not not very nice to hold that the 925 is the essence of like that design language right right yeah no wait a more man I completely agree with you guys the 925 is physically desirable but in my opinion Windows Phone you don't really have a shortage of physically desirable phones like there's the windows phone 8x das is also pretty nice there's the Lumia 720 I don't feel there's any shortage of world design phones well maybe hear a Samson fan oh it's now when it comes to well design windows phones I think we've got plenty of those them they can she see a txt who yeah that's sex machine which is good but you know in terms of really really awesome cameras with and up-to-date OS I've been saying this for so long since the ADA way p of you came out we're lacking in that department and I really want something like that because actually one of the things is going to make me commit to a phone and stick with it for a year or longer is having a really good camera that I know will need to worry about upgrading and just something I can rely on its software which I think witness one can do I just want a camera that can stop my daughter when she's running like stop the action of my daughter when she's running around and and indoors when it's like you know not great lighting because we're at you know my in-laws or my house or whatever and and she's running around or whatever every single smartphone camera either has to use the flash which totally ruins a shot or just doesn't freeze the action so uh my hope is that the the 1020 curve you can actually do that I don't know if it will but once you once you rather have I mean what when it when when you're talking about like photos of your daughter that you're going to want to preserve and have for a very long time and maybe blow up and frame or whatever once you still rather be using a dedicated camera for that that's the thing like people you keep these photos forever but you know blowing up and framing them is like the rarest off chance that you might do the thing that I'm going to do with it is I'm going to take the photo and I'm going to email it to relatives immediately and that's what I want to be able to do quickly is I want to be able to take the photo have it look great and send it off as quickly as possible so i don't have to worry about dragging this SD card to my computer and you know opening up a photo editing program and tweaking it and then getting into that whole mess because that means that those photos are going to sit on my SD card for a month and a half which yeah so it seems like from a hardware perspective the the 1020 is an s4 zoom done right like it's the concept of the s4 zoom but done in a reasonable way not a completely ridiculous ness that way yeah that's an interesting way to put it yeah very interesting way because you kind of insults the 1025 so you no good reason by associating with garbage but actually it does bring up a really good point no Chris which is that there is a zoom function there's no mechanical zoom like with the samsung phone but there is an optical zoom or crop zoom essentially that you can get with the getaway peer review and presumably because it's likely the same sense it just mildly tweaked on the 1020 which is to say that you can because essentially so large is because it's 420 megapixels you can crop it right down to like five megapixels and get the zoom function that way and every other phone camera because it's fixed when you get zoom in quotation marks essentially digital in it enlarges the center of the frame whereas this thing gives you 5 megapixel images that actually uses a 5 megapixel sensor to take them so there is that kind of optical zoom I don't know if its optical necessarily but it's like to consume you can get with it and my general feeling with the ADA where P of you have been used it extensively is that it's just an extra step an extra tier above the normal smartphone camera oh yeah definitely and I mean it's taking better photos and porn shoot cameras so many times for me that I absolutely see no reason like if I had to buy a pony shoot camera I would probably just go out and buy a negative way beauty it's just that it is just that good so again associating it with a good not an awesome but a good OS like Windows Phone it's just something to really look forward to I think I think I segreta me the biggest disappointment here is a Windows Phone Central's leaked today showed it in yellow black and white and not saying so that's that's obviously going to be the biggest disappointment is that if I can't buy inside it I don't think I mean so this happened last time write like that they showed the 920 in every color except cyan I'm sorry people that just sounded so traumatized this happen lost up didn't it happened I remember well if it did it didn't happen and I blew up I lost my my my poop use a non-threatening term I lost my poop and and wrote a piece about it and and sure enough it turned out that the science did exist and it was an AT&T exclusive at least in the US was that was the I don't know if the cyan 920 was ever released outside the US actually because I had to I dug someone to tom warren so cool so presumably who by the way has one in every color I think yeah horn is single-handedly account for half of 9 20 sales crustiness oh yeah I don't know if the sign was ever sold in Europe point is it feels like Nokia uh I mean they must have the market research to suggest that Sian is not a popular color which just breaks my heart because I think it's really cool and it's it's a shame because other companies are trying to do cyan as well and they're not like hitting the mark like not a tease s4 active comes in this cyan esque color and it looks terrible like it it's just off and he hasn't look right it just looks cheap whereas Nokia's able to has been able to at least you know make it look good for for BMW fans in the audience you'll recognize Nokia's shade of cyan as laguna seca blue way is like if you look up a little goodness sake a blue BMW it is it is spot-on perfect with the color that Nokia is using like if you had a Laguna Seca blue m3 and you you have to get a cyan Lumia 920 to match well anyway they're not doing the 925 in sign as far as we know right and in fact only doing in two colors right they're doing it in like a light and a dark back I think no this is least three there's this white back the dark one and a silvery grey one mmm well still is like super boring choices but with it I guess with a 925 there they're encouraging you to customize by using that stupid snap-on back which they often use while charging that right there just to do things i want to bring it first of all so what you're saying chris is that if you buy the cyan leave you 920 and you put it on top of your cyan BMW there's gonna be a perfect match yes it'll be like there's a screen in your car because you won't be able to see like it'll just blend so perfectly yep it'll be absolutely perfect a perfect match the red one I mean don't get me wrong that the glossy red 920 is a very attractive phone but we haven't seen we haven't seen the 1020 leakin read either yet hmmm yeah just like yellow white and black is it I think yeah and I gotta be honest yellows not worried like I've seen the the 920 in yellow and i'm not a huge family maybe I'll just later the black is the worst I mean matte black is always the worst because it literally looks like the phone is like 3d printed it looks like a it looks like the first prototype of the phone that you just ran through a rapid prototyping machine it's the like glossy black is passable but matt black is the world on that point unless it's unless it's the matte black of the iphone in which case it's okay but that's also metal yes exactly cuz it's metal and it's true it's not actually really black but let's acknowledge Dita's right who haters with us no I'm coming right back we really were we were ever so briefly in the bone zone whoo but under quite about matte black I saw one of those f1 mclaren mercedes cars you know the 1 million pound ones Chris yeah is SLO when it came that's a lie I don't know are you talking about the one that was in suede because there was one on the internet either yesterday the day before there was like a swated Mercedes no no it was just it just had a matte black paint job and the thing is you can see all the dust I had gathered on it and I just thought man what a waste well you know interesting thing about Matt uh paint colors on cars is that they are so difficult difficult to maintain that typically if a manufacturer sells you one as in as an oem paint they'll force you to sign a waiver basically waiving the warranty on the paint because it's not washable you get like you basically can't drive it and can't wash it so the owners experience yeah it's beautiful like if you have a new one that's clean like met grey cars are absolutely gorgeous um but yeah they're they're impossible maintained yeah literally the second Vlad said hey deters here the Google+ plugin crashed completely and all I could hear was you guys saying hey dieter and I had quick so nice guys hey so we just were deep and yeah we're deep in the 1022 uh so it looks like the show has been going for maybe 20 25 minutes so I'm assuming the only thing you guys have managed to cover is the fact that Chris is probably angry about the lack of a cyan I imagine we actually just we just did an encoder in that yeah it's actually more positive than I thought he'd be and he's hopeful I think he's hopeful that they just haven't revealed it it's not not gonna happen yeah yeah there's one other thing to mention though just on the topic of colors and designs and things like that while we recently introduced the w eight or whatever it was again kind of a mid-range II windows phone and the rip-off vibe from monkeys designs was really strong with that one like they had a yellow a red the color schemes were the same the designs were more or less the same as the Nokia phones which me was kind of chapin lame these guys it's also kind of an upgrade because while we and ASA when you used to bother windows phones add some really atrocious designs following in Samsung's proud footsteps with that OS I can't say Huawei is known as a company with a cutting-edge iconic design language are you kidding they had an edge and elegance man agent elegance so read it somewhere if you want to see what the 1020's output will be like um you could actually see sample footage our sample photos that were leaked by all people Joe Belfiore of Microsoft had posted some images this week to his flickr account that were the exif data was tagged the Lumia 920 ah it was intentional yeah I can't I can't shake the feeling that it was because like if you look at the pictures they look good they show off you know there's the lead shot on our article if you if you read the verge has Joe holding up his his metal from a marathon he is running in and like it's super perfectly sharp it's got great depth of field looks awesome for a smartphone camera uh and unfortunately they were taken down after it got wind that they were they were posted but you know if they turn out to be accurate then you know it's probably going to have pretty impressive camera results which is not a huge surprise I guess hey I mean this is this is just emulating Vic Gundotra who posted some pictures from the nexus 10 I think it was either the nicer than one of the Nexus turn now we were terrible tablet is definitely happening he posted a couple pictures of himself on a page the Jewish those those pictures were terrible why it was sunny I mean at least the widow was nice there but it makes these existence really relatable when you see them like I'm on a beach I'm riding a boat in a river and I have a meadow and things like that it's like yes that's an accident a photo to post to do I said I just had a horrible vision of Nokia in some dystopian future nokia releases a Windows RT tablet with a giant PureView hump on the back oh my god you think about it so many missing big enough that it could we could work as a stand and like you know down as a diesel or it could sit upright that's true that's I'm getting I'm getting pinged my Tom he's telling me that Bell Furies pictures are back on flickr so if you want to go check them out there they're back there to look at I think autumn back up what the heck I don't know cats out of the bag i guess the internet is the internet man and it's not like nokia was ever trying to hide what's going on with this phone for a minute yeah they put no effort into it whatsoever so does this mean that the 808 was basically just like a consumer education campaign to get people ready for for this on Windows Phone I thought it was much an exercise for them as it was for consumers I think we needed you know Windows Phone we know for a fact they've said the past that Windows Phone was not technically ready for that camera and but the technology was and they had some p.m. sitting around and also it made like a great send-off for symbian like finish on a high note so and it was obviously a technology demo or a look what we can do type of thing well they need a time to develop nokia procam and it's big giant purple icon hey guys murmur and this camera grip that's allegedly coming awesome don't I love the camera grip i think the camera grip is a great idea its most act as a battery too but it's got like this puny 10 20 milliamp hour battery which will get you like twenty-five percent more charge yeah well on it's not a faint if they included it in box I would be way into it but you know it's gonna be like a sixty-dollar accessory but I was gonna say you guys remember that time that Aaron's a forest wrote this is my next on the 808 okay he lived up to III wasn't even at the verge at the time and i'm pretty sure that i made fun of them yeah did he live up to it fled how long do you yes he owns an 808 I mean I don't know how much you can get yeah I'm owning it and using it or super yeah I own a lot of things in either 50 my god so can I tell you sorry I'm gonna take this completely off topic we don't talk about the 1020 is there more to say uh there's a complete there's no more to say another 10-20 but Tom Warren uh who is like the most insider on anything microsoft says that we may see a second device and maybe some major app announcements on thursday as well so nokia might have a little bit more open sea where we suppose to disclose that information or was that yes he told me to so you know that like so webos is the the app store the certificates going to expire on july twenty third and like none of the online services or bunch the online services are going to start failing unless you install this really hacky update to the app catalog that they've come up with okay anyway so i used to run precentral back in the day and in a part of my job i needed to you know register a bunch of palm profiles to you know test different devices and whatever and so but they're all tied to my gmail because with gmail you can add a plus and then another string and have a you know that look like different email addresses in the past 12 hours i have gotten six emails from HP about the mandatory webos system update 6 and i'm expecting more because they're coming in like every couple hours I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna have like 20 emails about this thing and I I'm just ignoring every single one of them i'm just going to let them die i'm gonna let them i'm gonna let them fade away webos is that's kind of sad can i still use my touchpad with android if i don't bother to upgrade yes but you can't you you need if you don't do the the upgrades you have to go through this really incredibly hacky thing to to get the new certificate onto your device it's um set the network time to off set the delete date to July first 2013 and then the app catalog will work if you set the time back normally you can set the time wrong it doesn't work but they hacked their servers to work with your matrix or something and what I feel bad for the one poor bastard hey dude no no wait I was I should have told him I went to this drop box Dropbox developers conference this morning and they announced the new tools to take on iCloud and it's actually really interesting but there's no like actual products using it yet but it's cool for apps like anyway one of the guys working the registration desk was using an OG sprint pre without the touch tones classic was shiny back yeah shiny back things cracked the home button was completely white because the chrome rubbed off on those you know was he using it ironic clear oh I think he's like genuinely using it to get stuff done and I saw it was like oh I gotta help that man he needs my help so bad totally forgot because there's no way that he knows i still owe on to die i saw an OG one on the train a few weeks back and this woman was was typing away furiously messaging and clicking the ball and everything and I just blew my mind yeah you know this this entire experience is actually a good kind of quotient retail for the rest of us and investing ourselves too heavily in more about operating systems or cloud services because you I mean I don't worry all right right right things like that it is it's not the case that I trust cloud services I'm inherently distrustful kind of like Joshua cops teen on our team who's like everybody's trying to get me completely paranoid about things so he doesn't use many of these services but for everybody else if you ever decide okay I trust these guys at ross Apple not to disappear overnight which might be a fair assumption this there is still a risk you know you you start to load up all your photos and documents and things and the more reliable services the more in danger you become when you know things might fail whether it be like a one of thing or you market share just kind of falls off it's kind of heartbreaking but yeah we see it all the time where things getting shut down I think just not such a new yala i never i an i never found a perfect replacement for sketch i'm still pissed that that was killed off yes skitch wasn't killed off it was just ruined yeah yeah is ruined and shoehorned into Evernote yeah so i'm currently using a thing called slingshot which throws it into dropbox and see i hate that man because it relies on dropbox no I love it cuz it lies on dropbox oh yeah but you like draw a little squigglies on your pictures yes that's a problem that is a problem you need to be able to draw a mustache on it before you upload it right the problem I have with relying on dropbox is Dropbox upload can be kind of slow and then if I'm in like a bandwidth constrained environment like oh you're something I'll turn off this doesn't upload via Dropbox it uploads to dropbox independently on its own like i will pause dropbox when i'm in a low bandwidth situation but rice will still work and you'll be able to share a link to it yeah that's weird i know man is crazy I'm sorry totally derail this conversation we can come back and start talking about phones again let's talk about motorola yeah this leak theme going since nokia was being leaky Motorola's being just as leaky because this past week we've seen pretty much all the details that you could want about the Moto X and that we've even seen other more rolla phones leaked images of this alleged droid Maxx and or maybe droid ultra maybe I don't know what the name is going to be for the verizon that looks like a successor to the razor line let me tell you what the names going to be the name is going to be screw you motorola for making a droid that has higher specs than the Moto X which is what I'm going to want to get thanks a lot for making me get the less powerful less awesome phone if I want to have an open phone and not something that is a drawing that's similar to get to the to make this podcast really useful in productive for me what are you guys enlighten me about what these exponents because I've been away the past week and I've only glanced at them and it is it almost feels like it's been semi-official it's so much a coefficient booking information and pictures have popped up but then it isn't yet official right it's well it's official that the Moto X exists and it's official that it's going to be made in the US and it's official that Motorola is saying that this is the smartphone that you'll design yourself but Motorola proper has not released any images of it or said what the specs will be with they've they've they've also said woodside said it and I got this again from ball at technique a couple weeks ago that it's good and I mentioned this on the podcast last week that it's going to have an array of very tightly integrated sensors that are unique oh and what what that means I have no idea but everybody's getting all like worked up into a froth about this customization thing that Motorola has alluded to but all of the signs are pointing to this just being something lame like colors right yeah so it looks like you're going to be able to pick a color for the back plate and then you can have a custom engraved hope probably with just some little words like on ipods back in the day it'd be cool if you could do like a full thing but whatever and then they're going to have some website where when you go to pick your color then you can pick a wallpaper I guess those are the two things and then they drop shipping to you directly from Texas and so you can get it really fast so minus the engraving it's the same exact kind of customization you get when you choose a particular color of a nokia phone right i would just like to point out that if somebody i actually drop to the livery onto my porch i will pay more for that delivery like if they literally just bombarded it in if I mean because that's kind of delivery people in the US workers drop things on you know but I drop shipping it to you from Texas and I just got this image of like a 1930s intrepid pilot you know putting on the goggles and I've got a motor wax delivery go come with us or perish in power shooting it down yeah well so it's funny you say that Vlad because there used to be I don't know if anybody else remembers this but there used to be this this home improvement store in the u.s. called home quarters uh and they had an ad campaign you can probably find it on YouTube where it was like these guys flying around and dropping bombs on people's houses um of it like home quarters bombs that I think contained products or something and and people found it so offensive that it basically like put the company out of business they no longer exist so it did the the bottom line is that i think your idea is probably not wise from a business perspective I guess I guess the issue in the offensive part about that would be the implication you know when you when you're dropping people home improvement items is that your home is already fix it up like to turn back to the beginning of the program talking about source and makeup you know it's like hey here's a free makeup I mean what what what is the implication would you say that's people it's true you need it um usually any delivery service and and this is a free business idea which I'm just throwing out there and whoever wants to capitalize on it they're free any delivery service that offers is an alternative when you're not home to harris you the package into like a backyard which reportedly secure right there a drone delivery service in New Yorker joke about that happening well there should be yeah that's just like a genius way to re-employ those machines that was a burrito delivery service or something right oh yeah something like that or pizza I don't know but I know your back but so the specs on this moto x the reason I was complaining earlier is we're expecting it to be basically a mid-range phone right think it'll be high-end in the mid-range like it'll be a really solid mid-range on but it's not going to be like this thing blows everything else away I think it's gonna be very similar to like when the nexus 4 was released last year yeah we're talking about a 720p screen and I don't even I don't know if I care about the rest as long as it's fast uh I guess I'm okay I'm okay with a 720p screen even if everything is pointing to this being slightly smaller than the most of the smartphones that we've seen today but you know a 720p screen on a 4.7 inch display is like 341 PPI I don't have a problem with that it looks great I can't tell unless I put a side-by-side with a one or a galaxy s4 I I mean I can't tell any you know who else making a mid-range phone really worked out well for is HTC when they made the first for two days Wow um so yeah camera sensor on the first was a pretty bad let me tell you something the camera sensor is not the reason that phone lasted for a week yeah well yeah well what he also dropped it like a hot rock too ya know there was actually yeah this is actually very interesting to me because sitting here in Europe I've never even come close to touching the first but from all I've seen a lot of heard about it it is close to at least in physical dimensions my idea phone and it's always bugged me that ATT did drop it is always bugged me that HTC didn't fire you generally try and get whole hours flat I'd be really interested to know what you think of it and you know it and and to say add to your point lad as far as dimensions go it's like perfect perfect size screen it's high resolution but you know it is a letdown on the camera as d dimension and the processors when you're used to using a higher-end phone you do notice that the processor is slower and there's actually I mean that there is actually like a bigger story about why the first was it wasn't because I mean it may have been partly because no one bought it i don't know that no one has actually released sales stats on it but we heard you know we ran that report a while ago basically saying that the first was a complete disaster for a variety of reasons one of which was that facebook had initially promised to not release facebook home at the same time as the first and then they did and that I'm sent AT&T into a knocked a blind rage and and that the first got there got their fury was the director subpoena of their fury so who knows who really knows I mean all I would say again with my limited knowledge and me arity with advice is that whatever the reason for the first failure I really don't think it was hcs design or execution I guess he has limitations it has weaknesses but I don't think it was a bad phone and you could you can look at other phones and you could say well that's obviously going to be you know nuts and going nowhere like the optimus v from OG you know that for by free aspect ratio and it's like a big ms lab I mean those are scenes are ya oh actually kill a segue coming up LG is hosting a New York City event sometime soon yeah you don't want to talk about the droid ultra Maxx I'll draw ultra maxy maxy maxy ultra I think we just did this with 7 x's on the max this time she wasn't enough they've upgraded it looks like good looks kind of ugly kind of like all the other racers like I'm surprised that the razor name is apparently dropped ah but it's got that same kind of the rivers viber village yeah maybe they'll bring the razorback like properly someday was it a camera rather than come father then yeah right yeah it's it's Kevlar material but it's got the same kind of cross cross stitch look or whatever you call that yeah sec carbon fiber are the only thing I can say about this render of this max or ultra or whatever it's going to be called is one of the biggest annoyances with last year's razr HD was the bezel around the display was like four inches wide and this appears to have shrunken that down significantly so we'll probably have either a bigger screen or smaller footprint or both so so LG's event well I'm gonna say that let's quickly summarize what Motorola then there's the Moto X there's the droid maxx in a third one well you don't up in the air or whether it's called the droid maxx or the droid ultra or if there are actually two devices that are the droid maxx edit droid ultra i think it's all kind okay here there's also the the droid combat destruction I if you follow droids well what is the name of their they have some like teaser Twitter account right now Oh they've got some game that they're doing on it's called droid combat right yeah and like they've got like mex that are like different people like on Twitter get assigned to mex and they're supposed to shoot at each other it's redic it like that everything about the droid brand is so violent and destructive and the Twitter account like if you follow they're just they're they're always talking about like combat and like oh it's the wall it's the weirdest thing I got it I got it they should call it the droid bro the droid bro I like that huh / file like that that's not bad you're you're you're very very explicitly excluding 51% in the market that way instead of implicitly excluding 51% the market I like it up solid plan wow that's a he's a clean water phase one percent of the market because I don't improve the hole bro well you're blue glad your bro I'm sorry man your bro deal you know it anyway the bro might be acceptable used it would be in from a pronunciation of heading bro sorry I have to make every temperature Oh LG LG let's actually talk about it because it's interesting to me because LG has helped launch events previously done that but they've never at least to my knowledge in memory they've never held a single phone event in New York City in the same fashion that Samsung HTC in no that's not right oh yeah they definitely have yeah folk singer phone it's just they're never memorable so like you forget about it but ya know they definitely have I one way the optimus G Optimus G was announced at ctia yeah but that this is a party yeah right I can't remember what theme was we wish we were Samsung with the mermaid in a pool Wow I'm just disappointed I miss that now yeah but really it isn't thing did they've done launch events fair enough but they've generally done them important ship with carriers or after the Korean knowledge or after like the London event where is to make New York the main event in which a new device gets unveiled and actually not to pre leak everything themselves would be a change of practice for og epic but but you're giving them way too much credit flat because we all know that LG is a fast follower so they saw that Samsung was moving to their own event in New York and they're like oh that means we should do our own events in my god what if what if LG tries to out-weird samsung that's what I'm saying what was that good wouldn't put it past them ok well yo defendant is instead of a Broadway production it would be like an off-broadway it's gonna be like Waiting for Godot but turned into samsung said the standard with the galaxy premier or the premiere 2013 event they held in London which had the most massive stage of ever seen it was basically like an Egyptian pyramid top cut off pure white and then this is a tiny little person standing at the top of it say hello welcome to my newest palace of Sam signals and then introduced like nine products what was the one was that the one where they did the word they had the magician or no that was the galaxy note 2 event right all right magician Merlin the magician and the orchestra the live orchestra it's like they literally don't know it's not that they don't want to stop being weird is that they don't know how so we know it's going to be for the g two because the invite is great to have you and the g and the two are giant and in I guess are in the same font but there and in the twos case it's actually the number two I I really hope that I can be proven wrong but i can't remember last time i was excited about a new LG phone well here's the thing this is the g2 about the nexus 4 y.o if i asked you guys to tell me all about the optimus g without looking it up can you yeah yes because it's a nexus 4 and because it's a nexus 4 yeah okay because next focus do i know i don't really feel like its place may have were they were different cameras on different carriers i think like sprint yeah right 13 and 18 t had the eight I forget what verizon ended up with it I don't think verizon into the father I didn't get anything at all if I don't remember anyway they had the what was it called the Nitro to or nitrogen here oh yeah yeah the Nitro hd480 uh but here's a question this this event is in like august isn't it was yes i believe it's august eleventh seven so yeah that's a whole 14 way guys yeah we can speculate about that epic event let's speculate about tomorrow's event because tomorrow t-mobile is hosting an event in New York City it's uh promised to make this boldest moves ever and if you have the memory to go back to march when last time t mobile had an event t-mobile CEO or new CEO john legere literally went off the rails in what was quite possibly the most entertaining industry event I've ever attended it's been pronounced ledger I think it's it's john ledger share I like lasagna I'd like to make it French well anyway so let me tell you exactly what's going to happen and the order it's going to happen in tomorrow okay Ledger's gonna come out onstage he's going to drop a couple ice bombs an f-bomb yeah and then he's going to talk some crap about the competition then he's going to he's going to tout the LTE rollout the sansa del T rollout and where they're going to be offended 20 n 2 2013 then he's going to announce that they're moving to postpaid no contract no credit check plans yeah that Dave reason there was a leak that they had recently they were making fun of 84 it's moving to 24 months or something yeah oh yeah and up I'm not great cycle yeah so they're going to do that and then they're going to close out by announcing a launch date for the 925 and possibly announcing some other random god knows what phone that that is my prediction for the entirety of the t-mobile béchamel and it doesn't happen Tracy shaving his beard ok I'll agree to that sure so Chris I just listened to that and like I'm waiting I like it all kind of blurs together so what's the boldest move the boldest move is was probably the plans that the fact that they're like it'll be like the end game for them moving to the opposite of what everybody else in the market is doing where like they just do this last time like we made it even more normally postpaid ii who knows a it leger needed another event where you could swear I mean to me it's like this is all really entertaining with t-mobile and it's it's cool that they're trying to do something different but like when they poke fun at AT&T for moving to 24-month upgrade cycles I could just picture 18 DB and like totally not caring and and like me like why I'm not wasting my time bothering with you because obviously AT&T is chasing verizon right and I just feel like you know so there's this rumor of the t-mobile upgrade club of you guys seen this yeah briefly it's yeah went up on tmonews earlier that basically if you could upgrade as often as you want and pay the same price that new customers pay how much per month would you be willing to pay for it it's this survey that team will put out so that might be I don't know like I would pay like two three four bucks upset like 3 i'd pay three bucks a month to be able to walk into a teen ol sorry anytime I wanted and get something that was a subsidized price but over the course of like a few weeks you could bankrupt t-mobile I mean every day walk in by a couple GS fours but you know by a 1 and it was very much more throat on oh yeah right yeah and then they're eating this enormous subsidies each time create the flip side being 18 d or tivo will be like okay and then they just raised the price for every new customer equalize it yeah yeah it's true yeah so new customers have to pay four hundred fifty dollars for ya so that's happening tomorrow afternoon will be their life I think I'll be there and so I'll because I tune I'm dieter will be on vacation yo a dieter case just time I took a vacation I don't even know you'll you'll be on a beach sipping margaritas I'm going to Palm Spring rubinson the temperature is currently I think 110 degrees i'm not excited you're probably not going to be outdoors my guess yeah anyway um hgo well that is the most enthusiasm I've ever seen better enough vacation really hot man I'm not used to that been a while since I've experienced 100 and 500 10 degree time Minnesota boy worried about 100 510 Minnesota that happened really once once in a night they couldn't play hockey for a week like Jesus granddaddy's telling stories about saturday I'm sorry dieter let's talk each ecs HTC finally released that well you know not finally but eventually released the android 4.2 update for the HTC One but I in Europe right now yeah it's it's well I think its global you know excluding the US right I notaries able to like definition or not I haven't looked yeah I haven't heard any us reports of it but if you're in Europe or the UK or Asia check it out apparently it's a great date it seems to address a lot of the complaints that we had with Sense 5 on Android 4.1 they fixed the notification bar so you've got quick setting toggles now like you'd expect in 4.2 and they move that stupid power saver feature out of your notification bar and they added lock screen widgets and daydream features and things like that but most importantly there's now an option to get rid of the menu bar so you can remap the HOME key to act as a long press will open a menu or if you swipe up on it it will open Google mat which i think is really good the amazing thing to me about that first of all it obviously address is a major complain for a long long time but secondly it's it's an oem basically responding to the reality that developers are ignoring a holo like what this also the second time HTC has done this right like with the 1x it had that stupid black menu bar and then they released an update which I don't think ever made it to the AT&T version but they released an update for the international version that you could set a long press to one of the soft keys to activate the menu which is really surprising to me that they didn't just launched the HTC One with that feature and now they've updated it to have that feature yeah oh it's a good update I know what's gonna happen you realize that it's gonna play out 18teen will get this queue for it the earliest may be q1 2014 uh so just don't get your home I don't think Ryan's gonna get anything for eyes don't launch with it when it finally is it an 8 because it isn't 11 hasn't washed on Friday no we still don't even have a date they just said I think this summer's I'd leave the last guidance I gotta get on that they gotta get on that announcement post haste yeah they really do but how do you guys feel about Android in general because like my vibe at the moment is that no matter how awesome the Moto X is in terms of design in hardware in order to achieve these premise of a device you would have to step up the Android experience you know you have to step up with the software and I just feel like Android hasn't really taken any major steps forward for a long while I mean yeah we're point2 yeah 4.2 is getting in Android terms for pointers getting pretty old it and it was very it was very iterative on top of four point right brave it's just an evolution of that design with a couple of more features added like what are we expecting in 43 like ble that's about it if you support me I mean right like even the Google editions of the one and the s4 have the new camera interface that just listen spected supposed to come with with theirs I mean if we look back a few months we can anticipate a key lime pie or something like it to be introduced at Google i/o they don't mean the would be some people expecting it now just give me hope I think they're trying to move to an October cycle for like for that because that was the nexus 4 right yeah yeah I was more than Isis the Galaxy Nexus and the nexus 4 were both kind of like that october november range I this is what I want from Android I don't want really more features I know the motorola is supposed to be touting all of these sensor features but maybe those are cool maybe not I want more efficient process I want I want more better battery life and you know I want to be able to use a dual-core device and still have the same speed that i can get with a a quad-core device so i just want a more efficient or less I want project butter to not be BS because like every time you know i've been using iphone 5 as my primary phone for a while now and what sucks is that it becomes harder and harder for me to use an android device every time i try now because all the apps that I'm accustomed using just perform like garbage on Android and like you don't realize that when you're using Android is your primary device for a long time but when you're coming from an iOS device it's really noticeable it there are a few android apps that have really awesome performance it great scrolling and they do everything right uh but they're so few and far between especially compared to Iowa's I have solution for you guys butter it's it it's like the general app framework there's something fundamentally broken about Android and the way that developers make apps on it that I don't think it's necessarily their fault but it's just not as easy to make something awesome with Android as it seems to be an iOS and like what I want from Android more than anything right now is like incredible quality apps that don't make me feel like I kind of wish I was on an iphone right now like that's that's it like I prefer interesting i think i had free more total solution for you both question detail what's that um and that is upgrade your iphone to iOS 7 all right because then your phone is going to chug is going to crash apps on go to perform as well and you're gonna be like hey this is just as good sandra it's fine they're equal the initial I mean I've read a few posts about it beta 3 seems to be not terrible um but I have you know I mean I haven't in terms of betas not yet so you can still expect terrible battery life and you know probably a few apps not not working right but aside from that I think we have a really good grasp of what we want so dance demands are more and better and deters demands are incredible apps so as you wish list guys what better battery life that's really gonna happen that's really like I don't want to be surprised when a phone lasts all day I want to be like that's I want that to be like just expected we're like it just is so you want to droid maxx yeah well they're not being a droid razr maxx HD but now he wants of things well i wanted to be like in a nice normal phone right like like I hate to use this ancient tired argument but the iphone has a 1440 million of our battery and these android devices have batteries that are almost twice the size and and the iphone could still outrun them on battery life my ex I can't I don't know what you're smoking my iphone like I I you know I take it off charge it at around seven in the morning and by let's see where am i right now I'm at forty-one percent so yeah that's a pretty long as website is for you Chris that's pretty great you have gone from seven to 7 p-7 am central's and it's like what 430 central now yeah so you are got at nine and a half hours and you still have forty-one percent left oh yeah but it's gonna be dead like it will be completely dead by probably seven 30 or eight yeah i mean that's crap okay that's not happy about it I a battery should like if a battery can just last until the following morning that's all I ask for doesn't have to last two days just has less pull the next morning is opposing your anxiety at the moment Chris yeah that one to the moon yes yes wed I want to throw my phone at the wall ah man I mean look I'm I'm being facetious but actually that's kind of true we know these devices and the battery's running out I mean one of the biggest upgrades maybe even the biggest upgrade I've ever made in technology my life is buying the macbook air because from that day until today I just stopped worrying about better life on my laptop remember that that has 11 who are you know the 2010 late 2010 matt cain but at Legion what I mean cuz I can kill fifty to sixty percent of my battery's life in an hour on a Mac MacGarry today ok you guys must have the 2011-2012 models I have the twenty twelve year all right exactly 11 battery life went downhill from since its way 10 2010 and well that has well one is absolutely yeah and and has we jumped it back up but my point is that when i went from my old windows laptops which would last an absolute max is like five hours if I really monitor the battery use to this thing which can you know go seven hours without any problem whatever I'm doing it's just a major difference and you know these things short battery life I mean that's the other thing I didn't pick up smartphones for a long long time everyone and the team was using smartphones I'm saying you know you can use can access your email do all these other useful things as opposed to just receive text messages with your phone um but I kept away from smart phones because feature phones would last for like a week which was kind of handy you know because each other anything with them you charge up on a Sunday you get all your text messages you send off with extra cheese and then sunday i'm i'm charging my phone again yeah play snakes too wow I stopped playing snake after the Nokia 5110 snake to just the biggest oh yeah oh yeah I truth yeah personally I think snake to was the reason Nucky's that's an operation right now that was a black do they the start of the age group of brick breaker you know yeah and they didn't even offer it on blackberry 10 why do you think no buying blackberry 10 exact can't play brickbreaker right but brickbreaker isn't far less compelling experience without a rollerball right of course it's true I'll dude what would it wouldn't be here is it a jog wheel if library actually had something really compelling in blackberry 10 that would just burn so bad for the people read the flag with playbook and will promise blackberry 10 and then didn't get it wouldn't it yeah remember remember like a year and a half or two years ago when some Buster's stole a semi truck full of playbooks more valued at like millions of dollars yeah I wonder what JFK Vern I wonder what happened to those hot play books like you think someone's using them or do you think they ended up in a dumpster what was that real look I kind of feel like you might have been some weird attempted viral marketing or something I the course i think was reported torsten high on a ski mask and led the highest it was like on tourism has the most polite robbery ever it was it was like point break he had a Reagan mask in the end he should all right so sprint softbank looks like it's gonna be done this week spring angle God acquisition of clearwire thank dad tomorrow softbank and sprint are supposed to close and thus i can leave us behind no no because moody's just downgraded softbank's bonds to junk status what no bring ya just happened forget imbalance print that's the most guys have money apparently not if they spend all their money on their insane I just learned about these insane softbank commercials have you guys seen him no they are completely met so that the whole concept of these commercials they've been running for years is that there's this like husky kind of like abusive white dog who plays the father of this family of humans then there's there's like the wife and then and then they have a sudden like an adult son and then so wait there's this white dog this asian wife and then a black son and then and then like some other random person and that the other person changes from commercial to commercial so like in one there was Tommy Lee Jones for no apparent reason and like the commercials are completely insane you guys just have to google them now they're all on YouTube um like they in the Tommy Lee Jones one's a one his eyes like glow and then he turns into a mayor know and then is his eyebrow grows into a unibrow and then like he turns ago made or so it's insane look look them up so my point is that I think they've they've blown all their money on these commercials Tommy Lee Jones is probably like yeah I'll be in that insane commercial for 10 million just don't ever aired in the US yeah but also in YouTube happened and also it's unclear why the father is a dog but anyway do we do we make anything in the fact that vodafone has a portion of verizon deutsche telekom as a portion of team level and now softbank has got a portion of sprint well clearly what that means i get je viens if you're if you're the only real Americans will be on ATT right well what that means dieter is that we are now safer than ever from prism I think the only people we have to fear are people in the American government no I I don't really make anything of it it's a global economy we live in these days it's like you know companies are going to be shake and making connections all over the world and I'm not surprised by it i'm not i got a writer i thought there were laws in place uh apparently i'm wrong but i thought there were actually laws in place to prevent majority ownership by a foreign company of a domestic telecom company well they were but definitely like concerns within Congress about it but they're mostly concerned about softbank buying chinese parts for the network hmm i don't know and the sec and then the Justice Department put up much of a fight for now springs up a dish was definitely trying to play the jingoism angle with some of its late stage PR right before the deal went through they were like I can't remember the exact terminology they were using what they were definitely trying to play it up but you know the other thing is this is actually good in terms of diversifying service providers in the u.s. because the alternative sub bank as question said was dish and this already provides services in the US and the more of these companies you have that concentrate a wide variety and breadth of services for this competition you have you know if you only have five companies that provide Oh for services like cable fixed landline telephone connections broadband and mobile connection it's much easier for them to act as a cartel because there are fewer competitors and it's constructive and helpful for them you know if you don't have four or five to just keep prices on some sort of parity level between themselves rather than competing and trying to drive down prices and the other thing is exactly the answer is this a global phenomenon telefonica owns 02 in the UK hutchinson which is hong kong company i believe is the one operates three here in the UK 02 recently i think sort of its island business 23 again i think so all of these cross-border ownership agreements and things like that i just kind of par for the course nowadays yeah vodafone owns everyone yeah they're they're kind of everywhere yeah oh it's not over re this much fun on in Denmark I was surprised about that I stand corrected though it is gone wrong I was actually looking around the year about second look at like how much other people pay for the mobile contract and to get data and you know a few minutes on a monthly basis Germany is actually one of the more expensive places which surprised me because it has the infrastructure in place and t-mobile recently famously put throttling limits on data consumption on a monthly basis things a lot so you kind of thought it would be competitive but everybody else kinda has a parity of around 20 pounds or something from our free to get data we can contract this up by that but Germany seems to be apparently expensive it's it approaches you know the sort of crazy price of the you Americans pay you choose know what glad the trains are always on time in germany in germany right screw how we surprised if your droid network even works over there in the US yeah really doesn't yeah it's it doesn't it said ah so we got one thing left on our list samsung announced shipments of 20 million galaxy s force so people like them not another save samsung stock apparently i think that just goes to speak how fickle the wall street is I mean it's out in mid know a few years that wall street is fickle but like how disconnected Wall Street and like consumers are right and we see this all the time with Apple people are still buying our products hand over fist and Wall Street will you know a tank on the stock and the same thing happened with galaxy s4 samsung sold more galaxy s4's than any other device its ever sold in its history and because Wall Street said it should have sold more Wall Street the stock is plummeting but it has a thing that it's not under temp to give an accurate price for the stock itself it's not an attempt to accurately value the company it's an attempt to guess what other people estimate the value to be is a Milton Keynes said this he said when you are you know trying to price and you saw any stock in the market what you're trying to do is guess what other people would guess the price is so when stocks like Samsung's tank that basically means people's guesses about samsung samsung future value in subsidy to profits previously were wrong so now they're essentially correcting themselves and Samsung's stock price falling is actually just correction and adjustment to more realistic body which is all to say yes it's a big fat fantasy which contributes little to society and extracts more it I mean there's a point is people are still going to buy galaxy s4's you're still gonna love their galaxy s4's uh you know people love to call du monde on stock market things but life is over you know what's actually interesting to me is Samsung so these oh shit these 20 million phones how does that compared to the rest of the Android ecosystem like how many phones is everybody else shipping at this point well HTC was five million right away in a short time compared to Samsung's 10 I can't remember does this not see one not even close really oh yeah uh I I hate to change the subject back but I just need to point out that if you look in our comments right now Alex Thompson our lead moderator has posted two extremely frightening Jeff's from one of the softbank commercials where you can get a really good sense of what I'm talking about like a really frightening terrifying sense of what I'm talking about here I am toward the end of the the comment list so just a mission work ah Tommy Lee yeah wow yeah welcome to my nightmare ever since this was brought to my attention last week by I was I was at an event with Kevin fitchard of gingham and he brought this up to me and actually Alex links Kevin's piece in here ever since he brought that up and I've learned about him and and watched them I haven't been able to sleep and so I want to thank Alex for posting these extremely frightening Jeff's ruining the next month of slumber for me that just a tip of the iceberg Chris you should look at kdd eyes Darth Vader ads I'm sure they honest naughty but they still kind of out there I'll have to watch this I I haven't I haven't seen those I've been too busy taking in softbank abusive dog ads and then when you're done with all this off I just look up Arnold Schwarzenegger's Japanese energy drink ads because they're the best things ever oh no oh my god knows i think i think that's a good point for us to wrap it and call it a show this week so thanks for tuning in thanks for listening if you happen to be listening to a recorded version thank you for for listening to us at another time um if you want to follow us on Twitter I'm DCC fruit dieter is back lawn Vlad is vlad savov and chris is z power and you can always follow effort as well you know hit us up if you want to or leave 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