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it's always glasses on with the Josh man welcome welcome to on the verge brought to you by Samsung I'm your host Josh Topolsky and you're not me which is great there should only be one it's really enough for everyone we have a very interesting very exciting show for you tonight Brian Bishop our intrepid reporter I call it reporters intrepid a lot our intrepid reporter went to Pixar to interview the producer and director of monsters University a documentary about monsters and and it's what it is and Nilay Patel is going to be here in the studio talking about Google and all their crazy projects and the most important thing you need to know right now is that John McAfee is back on bath salts so obviously lots to talk about let's get into the news of the week as many of you know the biggest gaming show of the year III was held last week in Los Angeles at the show we got to see a bunch of the next-generation consoles we saw Sony's PlayStation 4 Microsoft's Xbox one Nintendo Nintendo didn't show anything because they don't have a next-generation console but the big news this week is that Microsoft is reversing its policies that have been extremely controversial policies that would have made it very hard for people to sell use games for the Xbox one they would have required an internet connection so your console could check in every 24 hours and obviously there was a strong reaction to to those policies and you know take a look here here's the kind of negative reaction we've been seeing before they reverse the policy just people ripping their shirts off and rioting in the streets of Redmond and elsewhere around the world so Microsoft has now gone back on on those policies and that should be good for the shirtless guy but but I actually actually want to talk about last year's e3 we saw a game called The Last of Us at e3 2012 I guess it would have been and I was very excited to play this it's a very intense emotional game for the ps3 it was just released on June 14th and I spent last weekend playing it in a haze of nyquil because I was sick and and I broke down several times in tears because my nyquil ran out and but the game is actually really intense and really emotional and I thought it showed a whole new type of art form something that's that's that's in some ways more emotional than film but recently some filmmakers have been really outspoken about the fact that games don't do what films can do Steven Spielberg and George Lucas in particular have talked about it not really being viable as the same kind of art as film George Lucas said this is a quote by its very nature there cannot be a plot in a game you know and I think you have to listen to to Lucas because this is a guy who made such incredible stuff as as this right here hi highbrow fare and but Spielberg also joined in saying that the second you get a controller something turns off in the heart you know but luckily that's not the opinion of everybody in Hollywood in fact there's there's somebody who really disagrees with him I've been playing games for decades and I even started playing pong in 1974 and over the years that experience has exploded from the simple pixels upon two worlds that are as immersive as is certainly more physically interactive than those portrayed on the silver screen yeah yeah a slightly different tune when he was talking about his new halo project for the Xbox but ok moving on yeeeeesss Jesus Jesus leaked on the internet last week sparking a rash oh sorry uses his Kanye West's new record I should probably tell you that though you know don't you sparking a rash of listens in my home after I pirated it and I have to say I think it's an incredible record musically inventive lyrically bankrupt which is the makes for the best pop music possible and to promote the album which was officially released on June 18th Kanye put a video up on Kanye West calm his internet website starring my personal hero Scott Disick the baby daddy of Kourtney Kardashian and Jonathan Cheban who is the best friend of Kim Kardashian the video is a remake of the film adaptation of Bret Easton Ellis's American Psycho novel with Disick in the titular role of the psycho take a look and in Steve Jobs try getting the universe just a normal way to say hey I just had a baby anyhow uh you know that's Kanye you can't be Kanye so finally in News Google launched a new product called loon which is is a real thing it's a balloon that gives internet brings Internet to people who can't get internet it floats around beaming it down to I don't know if you don't have the Internet do they have computers I don't really know at any rate it's it's another Google X project Google X as you may know is a secretive gang of people at Google who come of wacky out their ideas they're probably best known for Google glass which has allowed Sergey Brin's bro hams to skydive and BMX their way into a Google keynote or maybe you've seen Google self-driving car which has recently been used to help a blind man order a Taco Bell at a drive-thru which i think is that's not even a joke I think it's the pinnacle the pinnacle of innovation Larry Page Larry Page the CEO of Google is a guy who's known for daring ideas such as matching his microphones to his outfits and and and you know here's it here's a clip of him talking about how he'd like to do more experimentation we haven't maybe belts mechanisms to allow experimentation there's many many exciting and important things you could do they just can't do because they're illegal or they're not allowed by regulation and that's make sense or if we don't want to work the world to change too fast but maybe we should set aside a small part of the world you know I like going to Burning Man for example I'm sure many of you have been to yeah I get it look I get it you know uh Larry is limited by what he can do by things like laws ethics morality the average human lifespan it's it's troubling it's really problematic and here to talk about this problem is the lovely delightful Nilay Patel I'm here yeah I like you've been to Burning Man several times I'm drunk right now do you either stuff we want to talk about that some real stuff but for a second I'd like to ask you what you think Larry Page is doing what's the hyper I was there in the audience when he was giving that speech and I couldn't I couldn't process it at the time yeah because you know he has a vocal cord problem so it's like he's whispering to this roomful thousands of people about this place he wants to go yeah it was it was like nothing I've ever seen I like I've never been a birdie man but my assumption is Mike my guess is that most people go to Bernie men are on acid yeah during their while they build a square the trip they're tripping on acid they're smoking doobies but but Google is I mean obviously he's smoking doobies but google is pushing is pushing a lot of boundaries a lot of leads they just did this thing this loon project can you explain to me I mean I know what it is but there are people here who might not know there are people watching who might not know can you explain loon so it's Google's plan to put Internet access to give it an access people in remote places by sending weather balloons the balloons have internet they go something like twelve miles in the air do they just they just how long are they up there unclear I think it's a long time so the balloons have computers in them and they can regulate where they are on the airstrip Rome books books so they can go up and down the Airstream and like move around and like track where they're going right it's it's very high-tech in like the most insane like this is like it would be a good plot for a Bond movie yeah like seriously like but it's not that evil yeah but like okay like what is the village like I mean I'm gonna give internet to people who don't have it take that James Bond I mean he controls I think actually I will control the world's information was actually the plot of a Bond movie that was tomorrow never done tomorrow never dies which is basically like I think Larry Page it's it's a statement of raw ambition right it's we want to like the googles mission statement is we want to organize collect and organize the world's information and then sometimes like and don't be evil yeah and if you get rid of don't be evil it's we want to have the world's information either in dust control the workdays eat out don't be evil yeah they're basically they're basically like we just want info right I like that they're like look where are places we cannot get information right so we're going to send balloons into the stratosphere later that so they could do Google and if you look at the things they do that reflect on there there should be a place where there's less regulations so we can be nuts you know it's directed right now that that energy is focused on putting interacts he just say he said that in the clip that there should be a place where they can experiment now I've been watching this show called top of the lake which is set in New Zealand it's a it's like a crime drama but my I just finished watching it my impression is that that in New Zealand the police don't really have any power yeah do you think that it's the transition from the movie the road warrior to the transition the road warrior warrior which was not a fictional that's not zealand that's and that's where Mel Gibson Kansas was in Austria was discovered explain his behavior later in life but do you think New Zealand could be a place where they're like setting up their Google Island well no I mean that's like the they're like look you don't have internet we can come in we'll put the balloons in the sky don't worry about it and the people of Christchurch New Zealand we're like yeah that sounds great in Kenya they're doing whitespace internet which is companies like Google and Microsoft even trying to put whitespace internet the United States and Europe for a decade and failed yeah because people here like no we use that spectrum for other things you can't have it Google is like screw it we'll go to Kenya and do it there and that's their argument their argument is we can go to these states with less regulation less industry and we'll we'll try stuff and see how it works yeah first-first whitespace internet next your soul yeah well I mean the flipside is maybe you don't want them to disrupt everything all the time like yeah they tried to build Google health and I think that that was on Larry's mind when you talk about this there's too much regulation everywhere he said during that speech like you know I I'm sick and you know I finally told everybody that's wrong with my throat and you know I realized the reason we don't share medical information is just because of insurance companies I'm sitting there thinking that's not true it's actually just deeply personal yeah you don't want like I don't want to like Google like plus one like I have browsers it's like on your on your Google Plus page there's a sidebar I was like your current ailments like just had a check-up but I think you all need just tonsils out and you can't build like yeah like what it's great like Google has products that are good like that work right um and that's great so let you balloon yeah it's great if Google builds Google search or Gmail for health care maybe what if they build wave right it's like I'm gonna give all my health care data to Google Rock way and the like screwed this sucks so I will you know it your Google+ health I really think it was that important after all so wait where's the internet coming from for loon so that's totally unclear to me I mean from assassin I know that the balloons form a mesh network which is by the way like saloons were mesh network these like Waterworld yeah but the upstream connection to the balloons I have not been able to know he's one of the speeds quickly there's a big wired exclusive at it and their speed that we are quickly browsing the internet at someone's house on an old HP laptop so so so do you think projects like a loon is obviously like a I mean I want to know if it's a moving shot it's just a weird off it's a moon side it's part of Google X right so Google X they describe it as the place where they make atoms right so they built the car the build kuru glass they built X or they built loon and they're saying we want to come up with ideas and have them fail as quickly as possible so we can move on to the next one so loon is one of the few that is like they had the idea they decided was workable then made it it's official it's out in the world but it's not it's not in the same as like a Google glass or the driverless car which feels to me like it's got more of an obvious commercial application I think glass is a real real outlier for them in terms of Google X projects think it's an outlier because it is being marketed in some ways it's oh yeah you know they'll make a next one and you know I think Sergey said glasses virtually done from his perspective proof-of-concept is made they put out in the world there's a team now that's gonna iterate on it I think the driverless car and the balloons that give people Internet yeah I think it's different you don't think the driverless car is gonna be a real product is gonna be something that is in the world I think it's a technology that they'll sell the car companies I think but you have to change the whole world to enable driverless cars like you have to they're going state-by-state to like change the laws to get them even allowed who's like this the basic question of if you're driverless car crashes who's responsible is not answered so my problem with Google is I've struggle with this concept that they're like their company is in beta in a lot of ways that I've we talked about this before they talk about doing beta projects but does it do you buy into is there an evil and angle to this I mean cuz some of the stuff they do does seem sinister right right and some of it but I can't tell if it's a sinister because they they they have these their financial issues they want to like get at you for some reasons they can make money ultimately or if it's if it's just because they're setting some how naive about humanity I think it I think it's super naive and I think it's it's a question of who are you gonna trust right and Google believes you should trust them because they have your best and feel like you should trust Google I do but I feel like I only trust Google because their products are so good that I have no choice bad really it's like a danger but like if your government did the things that Google does regularly because a condition of your participation you'd feel like you know government's reading all your email no one's happy about it yeah but the price of about it but the price of it is I think you know the government cloud service free prevails the service we provide you in exchange for reading your email is that we keep you safe right but people are I don't know that I read anybody believes that exchange is real or valuable Google says the service we provide for you in exchange for reading your email and the ads next to it is a gigabyte of storage and it's like is that the same it's like preventing terror like I don't know those balances are not the same I don't trust Google to prevent terrorism that's for sure well a dark depressing take on on Google I love of upsetting and frightening take on Google and Neil I thanks for being here and taking the time to talk yeah it is you are you're contractually obligated to speak to me and now stay here don't go anywhere we have an amazing incredible astounding fantastic video with Brian Bishop at Pixar and I think you're gonna enjoy it we're here in Emeryville California at Pixar Animation Studios you might have heard of Pixar if the company behind Toy Story A Bug's Life wall-e Finding Nemo monsters incorporated hop and the company's latest movie monsters University I know you were princess and I'm just a stableboy puppy paws at my bed were you kissing my hand no and what about you with all your shedding I don't shut really I had just started a pic start when the first movie came out so I mean I was a fan of Monsters Inc and just the idea of telling a college story and and the idea of telling a story about a character that doesn't get exactly what they want was really appealing to me I think with any Pixar movie that's the thing that gets us excited is the thing where we think that could come off bad where that could be like the dangerous part the parts like are we really gonna try to do that cuz that could be that's where I think we all get excited like well we don't have we don't know but I like that about whenever I hear what the new Pixar ideas I think sell that and that's good because it hopefully means its original and taking a risk Rick and I both worked on the first monsters incorporated and if you ever go back and watch the first one again you'll notice that the same like 12 background monsters are everywhere we just like repurposed them and put things in their hands and stuff so I think you know we always said that we'd really use all the parts of the Buffalo making that movie and so I think both of us really wanted to make sure that we you know populated the world more densely this time around normally is a process of Pixar's we would do as the background characters later as the story evolved and was kind of changing we knew that we need to populate this campus because we did it so early it would help influence story so story would come up with gags based upon some of these design and then by source that they would come up with a gag and hopefully we can cast someone from this group we need a slug okay all the slugs Pixar hasn't structured like a traditional movie studio instead of bringing people together on a project-by-project basis as a group of talented folks in house across every single discipline I worked in the industry for ten years before I got here so I worked a lot of different places I was down in LA and you kind of jump around a little bit more down in LA here you just kind of stay I've worked in places there are the opposite we have a term where you know oh yeah well you're basically just a wrist there and all you're doing is just drawing you don't think it's really limiting you know you're really you're really stunting the growth of the film or whatever you're working on if you're not allowing an environment where creative ideas can rise to the top and get the best product that you can get from the very beginning John worked really really hard to form a studio that wasn't higher up a crew for one film let them all go restart again and and do that every four or five years he wanted people to stay that's you know one of the reasons we do short films because we have projects that people can work on in between you know the time on features and I think he just he he really really believes that it's important to keep people here and keep giving them new opportunities and new learning experiences the Studios movies have a distinct look and feel almost immediately you can tell that you're watching a Pixar movie that makes the need for fresh creative voices with different perspectives even more important one of those voices is the director of the blue umbrella the short film that accompanies monsters University I started in 2008 a pizza in the comments aging department which basically does the virtual cinematography of the phones there's an open door policy epic so about pitching ideas for short films so anyone can pitch as long as you have three ideas and I just thought well I should as well just try it it was based on a test I had shot just just for fun on my phone actually of phases in the city and then I had loaded them up with my computer one weekend and animated them and that was part of the pitch I showed just to show what I mean with the city coming to life he talked to picks our employees and this isn't a fly-by-night kind of place people are here for 10 years 15 years 20 years the studio does a lot to let employees explore different creative avenues and different disciplines they may not have a chance to look at otherwise it's kind of a nice playground to have people try out new roles and new positions and even sometimes in different departments to kind of be a bit more playful with that I've been animating since I was a kid drawing on the cards and I was studying animation at RISD Toy Story came out my senior year they came and brought it to RISD and they were said they were looking for an intern and I was the first animation intern you worked on the monsters Inc as well he says yeah I was that was the first film I was a lead I was a directing animator which means I was kind of a deputy to the sheriff on that one and then I supervised two cars up and now monsters University so what's it you have a next one lined up are you like this Stoke for vacation at this point I am stoked for vacation I actually I'm in-between I'm gonna try some storyboarding and just approach animation from another angle and and I don't know we'll see what what happens next it is an incredibly supportive environment so so while it's a little bit scary we have the confidence that we have this amazingly talented group of people around us to help us when we get in trouble Pixar's recorded actors in this room for every film since monsters incorporated and it's about to get even busier the company has six films lineup over the next four years the only question is can Pixar's approach to filmmaking hold up under the volume we've developed a collective style almost because it is so collaborative here and because the same people are working on the films for years and years we are under an umbrella but it's a very big umbrella it's exciting as new people come in they change that a little bit I'm writing on a couple of things but I'm also helping out on the upcoming features in in the cabinet staging department so it's a mix of tons of different things because you always like everyone works together to make the features happen and then on the side you're doing other things as well there's a desire to say bring something new here you know what what what do you want to do it will all get filtered into you know what I mean into a process that feels somewhat familiar but that's all the more reason why you need a variety of people it's all the more reason why you need a new outlook well find out over the next couple of years how Pixar's aggressive new pace will work out but inside the studio walls the focus is the same as it's always been on creative collaboration and stories stories story sometimes we throw the whole movie out and start over completely it's really a process of not falling in love with your work if there is a problem with the film we're all gonna get together and fix it and we're not gonna let go until we know we fix it and if that means pushing a release date or if that means delaying things on other shows we'll do it and the most important thing is we're not really scaling up or changing the amount of time for the story which is the one thing I think we need the time for we're creating more movies and putting more people on them but we're back we're back up so that we still give ourselves the amount of time for story development that we need lovely work from Brian and that that is our show I want to thank Brian for going out and doing that Nilay for being here you the viewer for being so incredible I want to thank ease this for just drop in a sick just a sick record on all of us and and that's it we'll be back next week with more on the verge and until then there is no until then you