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hello everybody and welcome to polygon and the verge live pre three pre pre III pre / III breathe / III before e3 show up but i have just mad boy i'm the managing editor of polygons calm i'm brian bishop I'm reporter with the version we are here in lovely smoggy traffic laid in Los Angeles weather's been beautiful though it has been really nice really nice like 65 we just keep that going keep that streak alive of not overwhelming heat and Sun that would be fantastic because I'm gonna wait in lines to go into this one please I have people who will wait in line subordinates that I care about I don't want them to get overburden from the Sun have a fainting spell that will be sad will you bring the mortar right and I people to bring up I mainly stay here in my bubble in my my hover dam here in a beautiful Los Angeles but we are here at e3 at least adjacent to where that's gonna be go at work that's gonna be going on what are you what are you looking forward to Brian uh you know I'm really curious to see obviously big names like you know playstation 4 hardware things we've been waiting to see that we know it ever happen in terms of actual specifics I'm really curious to see what Sony is going to do about its living room play you know Microsoft has made a lot of noise about the xbox one I was gonna be this big living room device even you know laying the groundwork for that with the 360 for years now and it's a space that Sony kind of had a lot of strengthened in years past you know people bought the PlayStation 2 because of the DVD player but the playstation 3 because the blu-ray player and thus far it seems that sony's just saying we're games games games games and seating that ground completely which could be a problem for them what about you it's interesting they they've built their strategy so much on that you know being that living room box and never really i think getting to the critical mass that would need but definitely helped a lot by the DVD in the blu-ray player be interesting to see how they responded not having that sort of crutch for lack of a better word booga rhythm and I guess asset yeah it seemed like uniquely suited you know given the whole Sony media empire right they seems like they would be positioned to do something great but nothing yet we'll see uh we've got a lot that's that's just PlayStation this one thing happening tomorrow also tomorrow we've got uh the xbox one sort of I guess positioning keynote I for lack of a better term we don't know exactly what's going to be going on there obviously we'll see a lot of xbox one games you know one of the things I'm actually interested to see come out of that is how the xbox 360 is going to be positioned going into the the next generation what where will it fit in in the ecosystem I think the PlayStation 2 is shown that you can have a successful console that really has a definite niche for itself into the next generation I'm plus there's so many games that are being announced for the next gen consoles that are also coming out on the 360 in like that sits it's interesting and without backwards compatibility on the one there's always gonna be a huge neat girl that still want to play those old games mm-hmm I personally my personal most anticipated thing is I really want to see more about quantum break that is the new that's the new game from remedy who was the original developer of max payne and they made Alan Wake and this this new thing quantum break we don't know that much about I saw FMV which is my one of my favorites so if they're going to blend FMV with video is it going to be an xbox Studios co project we don't really know some I'm looking forward to seeing exactly what comes out of that what we saw at the keynote look great a big ship running into a bridge mm-hmm a lot of infrastructure damage a lot a lot of time you recover from that but uh it looks fantastic so I'm excited to see what those cats are up to yeah it's an interesting space combining you know narrative storytelling with gaming you know we saw defiance which has been somewhat not so successful no one's done it right yet there's great opportunity there but it's also cool about III as they know other than the big consoles there's also this lingering refusing to die narrative of Android consoles mad catz introduced project mojo earlier in the week right you know so that's still there as well and so not fun question how that's going to work and there's also the Ouya which polygon editor-in-chief Chris Grant got put his hands on at a GDC and he shot a lovely video which we'd like to show for you at home right now and then after this please bring Chris gran out cuz we have that kind of power we can get any better we want looks like that like that pulling the strings puppet masters that's us last July Leah launched a Kickstarter that broke Kickstarter records it was a game console there been a mobile hardware using the Android operating system they're shipping the device to early Kickstarter backers later this month and they brought the harbor with them to GDC we're heading there now to get our first hands-on on the device we've taken to market in a very different way we started with we have this idea we put it out to the market nine months ago and said do you want this and we heard a lot of positive responses and therefore we started building ooh you and throughout the process we've worked with our early supporters to refine our hardware to perfect our controller and we're going to do the same on software or hardware is fake but the software like any software business will continue to evolve over time and get better as we add additional features and functionality that our supporters want the device itself the actual box looks and feels really nice it's very small has a lot of ports on the back of it the control the other hand was a little less impressive the buttons felt spongy the d-pad didn't feel very sharp the latency on the controller felt high and while the hardware won't change what will be changing is the software we built you to be a great game console to bring innovative creative exclusive contents of the television to bring new types of developers to the television for the first time by being open anybody can develop for oh yeah we hope they'll want to build games to be part of the Ouya experience and optimize for the television in the controller and provide a great experience for gamers and if it's a great app our discovery process will have it bubble to the top and everybody will find it so it won't be about a one to one relationship he'll be able to speak to all of our gamers what we saw today was still an early version of the interface it has four main sections play discover make and manage manages your system settings play is where all of your games are but discover and make are the more interesting ones discover is the storefront and oh yeah is a lot of ideas on how to help discoverability the big focus is on engagement and on fun not on metrics like most most popular highest grossing in revenue it's under that make channel where you'll be able to sideload apps also a part of their open promise is that they're not going to really be policing apps the same way as long as apps follow the community user guidelines that's enough for them for example under the play section they had an emulator that featured a little Nintendo controller when we asked if they were going to allow emulators on the service they said as long as they support the content guidelines meaning they can release an emulator but they can't release the roms for the emulator so right now well yeah sticking to its guns they're saying that they're going to allow emulators on the service which could be popular for a lot of people it's not popular with major content owners like Nintendo we have over 8,000 developers that have downloaded the odk and as you mentioned a lot of the content that's on the box today is really TV exclusive new Y exclusives most of our developers are experienced game developers that have never built an Android game before we're not seeing a lot of ports as it relates to games that exist on other platforms they're taking the time to optimize it for the television or control and it really depends on what you know game their starting with so how does the first video game console backed on Kickstarter field it feels just like it felt when they first announced it feels like it has a lot of potential energy it's exciting it's new it's interesting its innovative in a lot of ways but when you're actually play it in your hand it feels rough it feels like they have a lot of work to do to make this something that people are really gonna feel like they meet they still need big major exclusives they still need a system that feels as sharp and responsive as the competition and for the iterative platform that's built to evolve there's no saying that they won't get there but when we saw today still feels like an early alpha product so maybe by the end of the year once they've had a lot of software updates once they have more games once they've worked on some of the issues like controller latency they might have a hit product but for right now still needs work ooh yah presented by chris grant that i got mine about a week ago and it i played a game on it cool uh mine came in literally the day I got here you see how long windows hi I'm Chris yeah I am how you do it you do it oh I'll do it your friend hi I'm Chris Grant editor-in-chief of polygons accom perfect now that did it um so yeah I haven't gotten mining in there where I haven't played it came in while I was out here but I have a chance to play it at GDC and it is rough you know it still needs a lot of work I think what excited people about the idea of that kind of open android-powered console was um was a platform that a lot of developers the same way we've seen on iOS could make games without having publishing contracts without having you know the sort of financial oversight of a publisher and what you end up getting with that just like we see on iOS a lot of bad games but you also get a lot of really innovative creative games that would have never made it through the traditional publishing process and what a lot of people don't like about android games and iOS games is that you're playing them on your phone with the touchscreen and so what do ya gets you or gamestick or fill in the blank with you know Apple TV of Apple ever gets around to turning that into something it gets you a controller it gets you like something in your hand it's much more traditional gaming environment paired with the sort of creativity of these indie developers that are out there doing these games you know we actually have it at our party tonight we have a bunch of multiplayer indie games and a lot of them are going to be available on Ouya like you're going to see some of them start to go towards that and platform Sony's all to work but what's exciting to me is just that promise like the idea that we could accomplish that and um get there and I think we saw a lot of that start on the current generation of consoles with Xbox Live Indie games and X plus i have arcade and playstation network but as those arenas have gotten more competitive you know was it five years ago now we got shadow complex right like unreal engine 3 powered game that took 15 hours was a huge Metroidvania like the production bogging those has gone so far up the space there's so much more valuable and you know Xbox Live Indie games was it this other place that they've sort of phased out they got rid of XNA so what I'm really curious about hearing this year's e3 is that it's like what happens to those developers that aren't big enough to get a publishing contract that don't want to make that kind of game who you know the sort of hobbyist developer is there a place for them at all on these platforms what do you think needs to happen for the yarn that their consoles like it too I mean we're here at e3 and it's obviously very focused on Triple A and consoles and PCs to a certain extent what what needs to happen for these systems to really become part of the conversation are they gonna have to muscle their way to the table or everything I need widespread acceptance work I think some of it is going to be really simple for the value that they need to get their their product in order like it's something suppose you I like they need to make that a really polished consumer experience you're gonna be against Microsoft and Sony you got work to do then you hit get some hits like hit sell consoles everyone knows that the ninety nine dollar price point might also need to come down I mean the xbox 360 could conceivably drop the ninety nine dollars the playstation 2 did so if you can xbox 360 which has a netflix on it which the Ouya doesn't has who live on it has YouTube on it and plays all these other great games and plays downloadable games why would you get new yeah you know like do you think those like you know who yet gamestick they have their own stores you can sideload stuff you can get to benefit or negative for them trying to go and get for a certain niche audience right side load and emulator and play bunch of roms like sure for a big enough audience to make that a really meaningful product I don't think it's too small you know I think that there's a big what's exciting about what the opportunity that Microsoft and Sony have with these new consoles is they have an opportunity to take the living room and do TV and entertainment and do triple-a but also to do this small stuff into doing like a kind of really compelling way and sony has some of that available with PlayStation mobile which has a strategy which is really clever in execution has been something more of a disaster it's just not very well supported I'm pretty sure there's no PlayStation mobile phones out they showed a bunch here last year that didn't come out so I don't know the PlayStation about what those games work on your playstation 4 they wouldnt say if they work on your Playstation 3 and yet but so you know there are some kind of movements by both those companies in that space for Microsoft you know maybe there's a difference between an xbox game and then the sort of windows side of that ecosystem these sort of two parallel operating systems there's a screenshot on the dashboard that showed words with friends being played snapped into the side of the screen so maybe there's an opportunity for app like games that are cheaper and smaller that you can self-publish through some kind of store and Microsoft takes their thirty percent and but maybe they're limited and how you can play them and you know what you can do with them I feel like it's it's the it's one of the areas that gaming has been going to for a long time and we've been looking for somebody on the television to really take ownership of it and Microsoft sort of you know made a half-hearted attempt with indie games on xbox 360 and I'd really like to see them or Sony take that next step and create a real open platform for developers to get on I think we're going to be talking about this a lot of the next few days but I want to get your take on it now so if you're right you can seem really smart really super super visionary what is wrong with compass yeah just edit this out get this in post um what is the name next generation of gaming about and and sub question do you think we will know that by the end of the year I mean did by the end of the week do you think that what this generation is why it is necessary and needed and vital will be clear by the end of the week or is it clear to you now my guess we haven't you know it's kind of the kind about opposite rollouts Microsoft and really entertainment heavy they're going to move over two games here sony much like game heavy I have a real feeling they're gonna move over to entertainment here sony sells a lot of TVs like this is a big part of their strategy as well in some ways it makes more sense in sony strategy than microsoft's they both want a Trojan horse in your living room they both have done a great job of getting big wooden horses in there but not filling on the soldiers and like they need to like open up those floodgates and I think that means not just being a gaming box it means doing everything the software is getting there Microsoft's a software company to do it and we clearly see Microsoft sort of play that hand I think the next step is creating boxes that are and I think a lot of the generation means and this is not going to sit well with a lot of gamers as it means making platforms that are really Universal the same way your iphone is that's not a platform for core gamers or for techies it's just a platform for everybody I think that's really what Sony and Microsoft will want my girlfriend uses the xbox far more we actually don't even have TV anymore it's just xbox Netflix Hulu YouTube crackle crap old we watch a lot of twitch together we don't sorry but they I mean that's what they want they want that broad consumer and you know both playstation 4 xbox one or two be instant on right they don't really sit down so you just turn it on they both have suspend systems you need to suspend your game and move right over so right now if we're going to watch netflix and i'm playing a game it's like I gotta find a safe spot give me about six now I need like 10 minutes i'm going to boot up netflix it takes about five minutes if you can just literally pause something swipe right over to a different application you know making that TV a much more important and flexible part of people's homes is i think absolutely this oh gee and gaming is just another part it's one of the soldiers inside that Trojan horse Chris real quick we hate to see you go before you go number one game you're most excited to see this week what is it okay you are nice at it which one quantum break guys remedy I love remedy to get really good I'm like unhooked I'm already sold yeah I'm in pre order already you Bri or yeah well I wasn't sure how much new xbox one games cos i just gave 100 bucks in cash and said bullet for me God I have this enough just but if you need more money please call me so nice of them to take it yeah they just suck it very good remember if I got a receipt Chris thank you for joining us up next we have seen reviews editor for The Verge David Pierce pretty much all waiting to see what Microsoft and Sony would do this year Sony didn't actually have that much to say when they announced the PlayStation 4 in March but this week at an event at its headquarters here in redmond washington Microsoft had a much bigger story to tell they announced new product called the xbox one coming later this year and there's kind of a lot going on with in gadget terms eight years is basically an eternity but since it's launched in 2005 Microsoft has done an impressive job keeping the xbox 360 up to date with new games new apps a completely overhauled user interface and more the 360 was originally a pure gaming machine but it became something more it's microsoft's Trojan horse into your living room the company's attempt to create the one set-top box to rule them all but eight years is still a long time and Microsoft needed more than just new software to compete in 2013 not to mention in 2021 from a hardware perspective there are three parts to the one there's the big blocky black console which looks like a VCR but comes with massively upgraded specs the one is an eight core AMD processor eight gigabytes of RAM that's 16 times as much as the 360 if you're counting plus a 500 gig hard drive and USB 3.0 it also has a blu-ray drive finally then there's the new Kinect a smaller also blocky rectangle that sits above or below your TV and watches your every move although now it tracks much more than your every move it can track your eyes your facial expression your muscles your fingers and toes and even your heart rate it can also do it in the dark and do it in high definition it collects a lot more data than the last version and does it much faster and much more currently we were pretty blown away by it in the short time we have at the new device Microsoft didn't leave the controller out of the upgrade cycle either it has 40 improvements we're told and a few are obvious it's smaller with a better integrated battery and its analog sticks or a little more textured but the most obvious thing is the new impulse triggers which is just a fancy name for making the controls triggers vibrate when you fire a gun in a game you'll feel the recoil when you read the engine you'll jitter along with the car it's cool from what we've seen but it's a little much sometimes and it's not exactly earth-shattering anyway all that new hardware is used to power and control a lot of new Xbox software there's a new UI based on Windows 8 plus an involved Xbox Live that gives you more ways to find games and ways to upload videos of you playing there's a new snap mode which lets you pin skype or other apps to the edge of the screen while you play a game and watch TV oh and there's skype for xbox now too but here's the thing about the xbox one it's really only partly a gaming machine the one can connect to all your home theater devices and even control your cable through its interface you can say watch ESPN to switch right to the channel or ask what's on HBO to see the guide for the channel you're looking for we haven't seen much of the interface or spent much time with it and frankly we're worried about the whole HDMI pass-through set up that really doomed Google TV but hey anything's better than your cable box last and weirdly kind of least for now for the games Microsoft showed us a half dozen or so new games from FIFA and Madden to quantum break and call of duty ghosts the graphics look great but they still look like video games quantum break a mix of game and TV show might be the only really innovative one of the bunch there are many more games coming at e3 so hoping to see more then but for now it seems like gaming hasn't been upgraded quite as much as the rest of the xbox experience the Xbox one is coming out later this year and we're certainly going to hear more about it as time goes on like a price for instance but even now it's clear that Microsoft is making big changes and betting big on the Xbox taking over your living room can it we'll see welcome back we are here with a man the myth the legend mr. Davis at me oh that's me yeah that's love well I just like to say I only own that shirt just the one that I'm wearing now and in that video is the only short I own ever in the world that's just I just want to get that out there for everybody that works for you just go that's what I think belong to it and also can I just say I was just standing and watching Chris and his whole Trojan horse thing they like need to fill it with soldiers crazy changed my life so I'm good that's all that's all I said you have the things you're gonna say what before you came out here now it's all over I just I just want to talk about Trojan horses and soldiers and Chris Grant that's all that's all I have now I mean outside of soldiers and Chris Grant and Trojan horses what are you excited about for this so I don't know if excited is the right word as much as curious uh but i'm really curious about nintendo and what they do here cuz they're in the sort of this weird place for like it's really obvious they're losing money the wii u's not selling well and they're not having a big event here which is sort of like a tacit admission that like we're in third place and we're okay with being in third place and that's our life now but then they come out and say things like we don't need an event we have twitter and facebook and youtube and that's plenty for us and and all that stuff so they're like what I can't decide is if Nintendo like thinks they have something great and that's all they need or if they're willing to be in third place and just sort of move on or like I don't know how they continue to compete I don't know what they do here and I'm really curious so like maybe they come out with all these great games that make really cool use of the gamepad and it's really fun and unique and they come out with all this stuff but everything we're hearing makes it seem like that's not gonna happen I don't know if you guys have heard things that I have but it seems like they're just the craziest thing about this to me is that this outcome is was evident to anybody paying attention like literally the day the wii u was announced yeah you know it's like well we make you guys you're so you're coming out with an underpowered system again a year before you know you know not a full year but a good amount of time before this next generation of consoles comes out and blows you out of the water and again you won't be part of the actual you know you won't be able to get titles easily ported over your system right Ken right well then like Ken you're excluding yourself from the conversation right into a point like it worked last time right they had this big explosion of sales at the beginning it did really well people got super into it and then it kind of petered off as the others really didn't and this time they didn't have an explosion of sales it went way worse than they thought it was going to and now they don't seem to be willing to like try and do something to get this bump back up to where they are and again this could all change if they have something spectacular if they're like just kidding guys Destiny's only on the wii u like that might be really cool but that's definitely not gonna happen and I don't I don't know what I don't know what Nintendo has left like though they'll come out with a super smash brothers game and that'll be me but like I don't know what what do they do here is there anything they can do we thought we brought you on to tell us I know about you knew well no I mean I guess my my only theory is that they're gonna it's not even theory this is just what's gonna happen they're gonna go back to all the same stuff they've always done which is you know smash brothers and they'll probably come out with another weird mario kart game because there aren't enough of those left in the world but one thing they are doing that I think is interesting is or one thing that's been reported that they're doing is porting smartphone apps over to the wii u which actually sort of makes sense because they have the gamepad which is portable and it has a screen that kind of makes sense and on the one hand it's like well i have my phone to do all that already and I don't need this big thing to do it but they have you know you guys were just talking about these android consoles and they've sort of if they can build a port that makes sense they kind of have that little console in just the gamepad by itself with some of the controls and it has a touch screen and that could be really interesting I think if they could pull that off and that's one thing I hope they talk about doing here is what they're going to do with these mobile games and how they kind of wrap it into their ecosystems that fits really well with like what Nintendo is about right as these not their graphics aren't incredible the games don't look amazing there aren't any weird motion tracking things to the level of what Sony and Microsoft are offering but they're fun and it's like words with friends or whatever or angry birds fits way better in my head at least on the wii u than it does on the xbox one or the ps4 it'll be interesting to see if they're willing to price to compete with the the mobile landscape too because it's been the you know the problem for for Nintendo I i think you know you look at the game by Nintendo land that very much seems like a collection of iOS or mobile games are mobile game experiences bunch of like 99-cent you right yeah it'll be interesting to see if they can you know they're willing to price at that point that makes that almost you know some an impulse buy yeah you know more than investment yeah which would be cool but like here's my question to you would that make you care about the wii u I've like completely forgotten about the Wii U as a thing which if I'm Nintendo is a huge problem and like I don't know what brings me back at this point even that I'm like it's a smart idea it'll probably help them sells more but I don't know if it brings them back into like real competition for the crown here yeah the one thing else about the wii u is came out i'm like this is ridiculous i don't care then actually played it and it is fun it is it wasn't fun for me to go out and actually buy one or you spend money on it or do that but it is fun they're doing that thing with best buy where they're going to be announcing some games on their stream it we go out and play them in the stores there are obviously banking on those to be really exciting exciting enough to get people to go out and shop for the console yeah they're in the store and even their commercials are so like unabashedly saying like trust us it's fun just buy one and try it and you'll love it and it's like you see this course right they have like the family that comes in and it's the little kid who's like oh my gosh the wii u was my favorite thing I've ever played anything and I feel like the whole tagline is just like just trust us it's great and like yeah I just please we beg you I'm shocked honestly that they did not make did not kind of lies more on the year that they had gym I mean they have a year where their games were gonna look as good if not a little bit better than the games on the 360 and ps3 yeah like that was the time to make your money if you're going to capitalize on what you do really well as an internet which is game design I mean among other things but I think primarily game design and these franchises why not capitalize on it in that year like yeah in a year when the other two systems are sort of production starting to slow shift in focus why not let that be the window that 12-month window where you're just going to destroy it you know with with with all the the games and instead they're gonna gonna get to November and all of a sudden it's gonna be real hard to go back to the wii u um you know after you been playing the ps4 and xbox one yeah i mean that's weird thing is like we're all talking about you know next-gen games this week and like what does a next-gen game look like and it seems to me that all of the things it looks like are not on the Wii U it's like it has lots to do with you know motion and voice control and it has great graphics and it has different physics and it has all kinds of online stuff than like the wii u either has like really sort of rudimentary versions of all these things-- or just doesn't have it at all and they're also not doing a really good job with like the set-top box stuff so i don't know why you'd buy it for that and I don't know the 3ds to me is the one place where they still uh I don't know if they're winning so much is to say like losing the least among handheld consoles that like it seems to be its this is just sort of anecdotal but it's the only one I see people like on the subway in New York City using yeah I never see vide as ever but I see I see people playing 3d Isis and like the sales figures are decent and they're out there and so I wonder if Nintendo can do cool stuff with the wii u and the 3d s they might have a place to play there and it's not like the graphics are so great you couldn't use them in either place anyway um but I just yeah I don't I don't I don't see any movement towards that and again they've had a year to do this and like where if they'd been this whole time and then EA comes out as like well we're not building games and then you know somebody at Nintendo like clearly made an angry phone call and they're like actually we are building game we're not going to tell you which ones are when they're coming out uh what do you see them yeah they're gonna be I didn't know about him yesterday but they're really good I bet right there called angry birds and they're gonna cost 99 cents it's gonna be really great yeah but then there's like there's all these games i'm really excited to see here what's the number one number one game can't say I can't say quantum break no uh okay is FIFA I know see I knew I almost didn't say because you were gonna look at me like that and now I'm upset and I don't talk about anything no so I mean there's like oh I gave you a whole world David I gave you a hot tell you why canvas and you picked up the FIFA brush and painted a big fee fall in the camera it you're welcome you're welcome all my soccer playing watchers are just high-fiving their screens right now everywhere no but i think uh partly because i think fifa is like a really good example of what of what a lot of games are gonna look like here which is that artificial intelligence has gotten so much better so much faster like the one of these i talked about I've been reading a lot about fifa 14 me to me look like a lot of stuff i know right the kicks the stop just the head butts exactly and so what they're saying is that like it used to be in fifa that people would they would make decisions based on like one frame and now so they would like go the wrong door all the time and now they have it based on like a much bigger set of data to the point where people playing it make the decisions you would think they would make which like to anyone who's ever played a sports game that has never happened ever guys just do random things when they feel like it and everything breaks all the time and now if it's like actually feels like a real soccer game that would be the first time ever and would be really exciting and FIFA's huge and has always missed that piece of it and there's going to be stuff like that across all these games and sports in some ways are kind of the hardest to do it for because it's like in a football game you have 22 different people doing 22 different things at every point and every time and you have to sort of be aware of all of them and you're just you're done with me right now it's totally fine it's an open on coma no but I think like and then I'm like I think haley anna yes okay yeah it's it's a new scale a holy pail adventure right i would be into that exactly no but I mean and then even even in a game like watch dogs which I'm also really excited about it's like part of what I'm so excited about is that all of these different parts of the game are able to work better and more independently in a way that'll make a lot more sense and make these worlds feel much more real as opposed to you're just sort of going through and everything kind of happens and you don't totally get it like there's these worlds and you just live in it now I think that's really cool but just to clarify there's no soccer or football in watch dogs now I know of that we know of we know if that's true that would be crazy David thank you so much for joining us coming out later in just a second we're gonna have Alexa ray Korea from polygon calm but first this video I don't know what it is it'll be good people are dying down here that can't be known you're a very good soldier best but there's something you lack can't see where the line is we're killer to them it's what we're best I'm here to see dr. cardosa how do you know my name mutual friend sent me access granted stand by grey coming to you I shall a canister eyes the target please wake up you do not kill me this name is more true you cannot judge you I won't kill you until coming with me and you're gonna tell me everything do you know what you were doing mercenary chicle mcmaster you surf the clock is ticking ban no they're out there working for us the only way to stop them is to wipe them out what I tell you just compelling you're rich great stuff about square enix that was of course deus ex on ipad is that the fall the fall and we have Alexa ray career from polygon hi hi I should let you introduce yourself Louie try again we have this person I'm Alexa ray I'm gonna plug on you probably know me from speedrun natural very nice good yeah so did you actually play deus ex oh I do not but I talked to a few people that have played it and it's a little it's a little interesting it's a they haven't come out and said that it's episodic yet but its supposedly a the one that game that's coming out the summer is the first in a mobile series mm-hmm so I guess what it is is it's a the story line runs parallel to human Revolution and you're digging into that all augmented stuff again but I'm a little curious to see how they're going to bring the experience of that really deep day of sex story into mobile you play deus ex right I did yeah I played the you mean the first the I put the original on PC cousin old-school bleep okay and then I played the the new console one yeah human revolution I like to thought was kind of boring I didn't like how I couldn't use my powers all the time I'd like if i remember correctly i had to eat chips to get my powers back and i would just like to be able to use my superpowers all the time it seemed kinda lame and i know right now i sound like Tom Hanks in Big complaining about the robots that turn into buildings because it's not fun but that's why I thought I just want to use my superpowers all the time it'll be a it'll be interesting to see how they sort of translate that because you know Square Enix isn't doing so hot right now they had the financials and the layoffs and wada left and they announced in their last financial report that they were going to sort of renew their focus on mobile so I know we were probably thinking like oh like we're gonna Portmore final fantasy games so you know I phone or whatever but I honestly Dave sex and mobile was a surprise and they've been teasing the fall for a couple weeks now and they've been talking about a movie so yeah I was just sort of interesting to see that sort of go mobile like if they're going mobile like why are you bringing this franchise that's done so well is sort of a I don't want to see Blockbuster but sort of a big cinematic sort of a Shin RPG experience if you're gonna if you're going to demonstrate a renewed focus on mobile isn't isn't it kind of weird to lead off with a first-person shooter which is not a genre that most people think of is you know why not even if it is still a deus ex game you know why not take into a genre or something that works well on that space right um well worries me about that is sort of is it's going to be a continuation if this is the first one and there's more and like you pay you know so you pay I think the first one is seven dollars you pay seven dollars for the first one are you going to want to invest more time and money into sort of paying for these episodes if it is in fact an episodic series well squares always had problems with valuation on mobile I think some of the final fantasy games have been outlandish if memory serves they have I think when is it dimensions was like fifteen dollars that's crazy that's crazy nothing has ever cost $15 on a mobile platform that's a fact I think tactics just came out in taxes tactics was like 12 13 and that's like a like like a hundred thousand year old game yeah so there's that and then they have their presentation on tuesday and they're supposedly announcing their next final fantasy game for next-gen which I'm assuming is ps4 and Xbox one is it gonna be Sam sit in it some took boom hopefully tell any hopefully Joe secondly in it I don't know I was and I don't want to break I don't Rick you're in da if you know if you have pretty inside information on this stuff I don't actually I know absolutely nothing going into this not a MMO though probably another MMO are not one they tried that that Dylan again and again and again yeah they hadn't did not pan out so great now Romo borns coming out again this summer guys get the net he's over that ship done sailed nobody wants it well they could go they could do one of three things at this point they have versus 13 which they announced in 2006 really it's 2013 yeah last time I checked was it called versus 2060 yeah thanks rose good morning yeah vs their team they had they had 13 14 verses 6 through 12 coming out before them but sneak sneak peek oh yeah it was that and then there wasn't there was a third game that turned into a knot 13 game in Japan we haven't gotten it so this is a game that's been in development for seven years and we've seen one gameplay video we know almost nothing about it and we haven't heard anything from it so they can either announce that it was actually announced as a ps3 launch title wow that's fancy yeah so um that's gonna I it's going to make people I guess probably make people angry if they announce it as a ps4 launch title especially with the dedicated exercise you can keep the tradition going yeah people like that sort of thing actually ps5 sorry guys um so there's that and then there's the it could be they could have rebranded it as 15 which is a lot of people are speculating is the case a 14 came out 14 final 5014 came out twice this is it's the MMO the second em ago not a second second was the first MMO and then 14 was the other MMO and then they literally said they released 14 and then they literally said that wasn't it didn't good do good now they're a bad job on that so we're just trying to get let's do it do over I believe they literally I didn't play it but they actually ended the world like they ended the war home and then like started it over again I gotta see I like it doesn't keep track of the Fast and Furious movies man is very very convoluted so here yeah he plays the drobo in many of them next final fantasy starting Vin Diesel led by that I buying a heartbeat i pray for Walker no Paul Walker important question Oh ludicrous yes no no I go we're gonna say yes son Paul what you don't want to say it on camera that's not right can you drift a chocobo I've never cried uh I wouldn't bet you can what is the number one thing you're looking forward to seeing at e3 2013 Fantasia oh really I am I was told to not do not put all my stock in the trailer that they showed which showed sort of the teenagers with the lake to like whatever musics and dump stuff that they were playing but from what I've seen and what I've what I've heard him what I've watched I'm a big Disney fan I was raised on Disney I'm a Disney kid and the Sorcerer's Apprentice is such such like an iconic classic movie like everyone knows what that is you see Mickey in that hat and you think like like everyone knows what that is and now they sort of taken this game that's not only going to use a kinect so you're moving but it appeals to children and that it's sort of a you know whimsical disney motion game but i think it appeals to me as the older generation that grew up with this is sort of like a nostalgic kick so i am going to run straight for the harmonics booth as soon as I can very excited thank you so much for joining us Alexis ain't forget it thank you coming up next we have a senior editor for The Verge sean hollister hey guys it's not with the verge i'm here at sony's playstation 4 reveal it's not quite a launch event or announcement because there's a lot we didn't see including the playstation 4 what we did see were a lot of games and a playstation score controller the DualShock 4 which is pretty interesting it has an integrated touchpad and has a headphone jack it has a light bar in the front that camera accessory can look at and track motion and it has a share button that lets you immediately record your game footage and share it straight to social networks so that's pretty interesting we also saw a lot of game demos mostly engine demos and some upcoming ports we stop watch dogs from Ubisoft wish was it III which looks very impressive we saw a very realistic model of a human head to show us from the graphical prowess of the ps4 looks really great it's terrifying but it's very impressive and we saw basically just a lot of quick clips of games showing off some of the graphical horsepower the ps4 but not a lot of actual gameplay I think only twice did anybody actually use the controller on stage and we really didn't see a lot of the ps4 Sui we didn't see what's going to make it special beyond just gameplay and the other thing we didn't see which is kind of important we didn't see any of the media stuff there was no mention of blu-ray there's no mention of 4k nothing about how video might be transferred the service nothing about other content partnerships nothing about TV so Sonia is very gaming focused very developer focus today a lot of talk about how the ps4 is really a supercharged PC the developers will find easy to develop for and make game sport but very little about what the experience of actually purchasing this thing putting in your living room and using it will be like welcome back we're here with my colleague who is not wearing a single glove i'm sean hollister senior editor with the verge and i'm here to talk about playstation 4 let's do it alright so playstation 4 sony says you can download any game you see in the PlayStation Store they say you can play games while you're downloading them they say you can instantly experience anything at the playstation store and they say you can stream that to your Vita so you put this all together and I'm thinking LLS you mean I won that of course the one more thing one more thing that you can do is you can watch your friends playing a game because they're sharing you know the live video footage of them playing and you can just dive right in there and grab their controls if they let you so I put this all together in my head and I say you're just going to watch television you're going to channel surf through your Flint friends playing games grab jump into the game you say you like the game you're instantly playing it it's downloading to your console in the background while you're playing it you have this this immediate experience and then two days after they announced all this they say it's an aspirational dream we'd love to have this we're not sure what's going to be available at lodge so what I want to know is is any of that dream coming true here at e3 I just put my wife all the time I say the house is gonna be clean I'm gonna put that way everything I want a hot put at least three of the consoles that I have underneath our TV hidden away somewhere but it is an aspirational boys hanging out everywhere Yeah right or white yeah right now um gosh I don't know I feel like I feel like Sony's message has to be shaped by what Microsoft has done in the lat in the last week you know what I mean like that I think that's going to be filling in those gaps and trying to avoid the very obvious landmines that Microsoft has hit the past few days well it seems like Microsoft they want to be you know the box in your living room sony they want to let you take it with you anywhere they say today you can stream anything on your Playstation 4 davita hopefully hopefully hopefully I think they said they'll do it for ever again baby I think that yes what was for most games it will be a mandatory but imagine if that's your sony phone if that's your sony tablet is that going to happen that's what I want to know that's what I want to know most here at e3 is if any of that stuff they promise is actually coming and when if they walk if you walk away from this week and they haven't said and it's still an aspirational dream what do you think that does to the ps4 is chances of success later this year because they cut out you can't sell puppy dogs you know and now I think if they will either say we've done it here it is it's amazing or they will say something entirely different and tried to distract us from the fact that they said that like when they said the PlayStation through would be a computer right like when they said the PlayStation 3 would have backwards compatibility forever because that's supposed to be a great feature like when they said you know yeah and they distract from that and they show it's amazing games we forget that they promised does the cloud and all the power of the cloud today mm-hmm it's actually really interesting I mean matchup right now that because we've never had we assume at least that these launches are going to be fairly close together and Sony and Microsoft have never had to square off like that you know you might have had a huge lead in Sony and Nintendo were matched against each other but that was it's a very different pairing I mean they're there I think those audiences are very different here you have two people vying for the same crowd and it'll be really interesting to see how they because that short-term momentum is going to be huge and and how they can parlay that into you know more momentum in it and I think it's going to be interesting to watch them play the short game you know success in November how do we do that I almost wonder even if they don't have success in November though if with this you know this rivalry this generation of consoles if there's a chance for them to jump ahead a year or two down the road if Microsoft comes out with the luma room they come out with I don't know if we know what a limber I'm here is in this room but it's this it's this projection mapping experience where your entire room around your television becomes part of a larger screen where you can interact with it and you know if you know when Microsoft came out to connect that changed things for them years down the road after the xbox 360 right they were able to add that and get another audience maybe there'll be something like that maybe maybe Sony can not have it at launch but still that'd be the winning strategy I don't know in the short term though it's going to be interesting especially how it impacts pricing that's what I'm really curious how that works as we big signifier of who feels that they really have a lot to lose if Sony comes in the other cuts four hundred dollars it's great for consumers but it's also something there I think they think they're in real trouble too I think well it's gonna be really hard to get out from underneath a story a narrative of we sold more this year I mean if they if they have to cut the price down a little bit they take a loss I think both these companies are willing to do that if the if the story becomes well one outsold the other one is winning the console I mean the console wars have never been this easy to compare I mean either you saw what if it's not about the price of the box though what if it's all about having a subscription service I mean xbox live is the cash cow for Microsoft right what if Sony's thing you know streaming to your Vita is dreaming to your phone and tablet maybe you pay them for the service they have their PlayStation Network their PlayStation Plus become an Xbox Live that integrates cloud gaming and instead of you know you pay instead of paying your five hundred dollars your box maybe you'll get the four hundred or three hundred dollar box today but tomorrow you'll be paying sixty dollars a month it was a really great trick that I don't know if I gers off can pull off twice you know I don't know that they can go back to that well in in this day and age especially not with you know things like but trying to put things like Netflix behind a paywall I don't think that trick works twice but didn't work i mean yeah worked really well for a while they loved every those great money forget they really there's good money and I don't think they're gonna be Sony wants that money oh man they wish they've got that money as soon as microsoft said they were charging for us is that ah damn it we shoulda thought he's gonna charge people to play online that's great we're gonna make a lot of money we do sort of that do-over do-over let's do a fun guys 14 31 what have you got Vin Diesel to promote yeah there's emphasis then you're good so sean is there a number one game but you're looking forward to seeing this year i have heard that we're about to see the unveiling of the next smash brothers oh yeah and I stood I I stood in line for my my Nintendo way on the day smash brothers came out nothing would tempt me until smash brothers came out and now smash brothers on another console another smash brothers I can spend hours and hours playing with all my friends and and bashing them into walls and off of sticky minds and with baseball bats and little spiky creatures and yeah that'd be good I'd like that and mobile apparently it's gonna be going to be on 3d SI here maybe possibly intriguing we answer that very soon Ellis all these other unanswered questions it's gonna be really exciting week yeah everything that kicks off tomorrow with the with Microsoft at nine am-9 a.m. i believe 939 33rd pacific 1230 a string there we go let's give me I'm again Justin McElroy from polygon calm a managing editor there my earpiece is falling off but I'm just gonna roll with it cuz I'm professional he looks good from over here i'm brian bishop with the verge and i'm sean hollister with the verge and i'm just a macro polygon this has been our pre III programs and now my headset fell and now his headset fell off so i think that's God's Way of Tokyo so Steve go to polygon calm merge calm and keep up with all this this information it's gonna be coming fast and furious this week so uh keep an eye out thanks for joining